#rockbox 2008-12-24

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#rockbox log for 2008-12-24

00:00:04	*	amiconn is rather disappointed by this release
00:00:27	Bagder	amiconn: why?
00:00:43	scorche\|sh	well, we did decide to make this time-based rather than feature-based...this should be expected...
00:01:00	Bagder	and we've talked about it and preparing everyone for two weeks time
00:01:17	amiconn	Yes, and I mentioned this necessity several times
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00:01:48	amiconn	(the bumping of the flash image version for the release, but not too long before)
00:01:51	Bagder	and yet you didn't do it, nor did you say it was important
00:02:05	Bagder	hence I proceeded
00:03:05	amiconn	I mentioned it several times, last time about 15 hours ago
00:03:14	Bagder	not to me
00:03:29	Bagder	and wasn't 15 hours ago "close enough" ?
00:03:42	amiconn	http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20081223#08:52:52
00:04:03	Bagder	and why isn't this mentioned in the Releasechecklist if this is so important? why didn't you respond to a single of my mails about the release?
00:04:44	amiconn	It's not in the checklist because it doesn't apply to every release, only if we want new flash images
00:05:01	Llorean	Is there some reason we shouldn't have new flash images with every release?
00:05:09	Bagder	I still think you're making things hard for me by not helping me out
00:05:44	Bagder	putting things in the IRC channel hoping that I will read logs is not helpful to me
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00:07:25	amiconn	Llorean: It's unnecessary if nothing changed in the flash loader, and nothing important changed for low-level code affecting bootbox
00:07:41	amiconn	A full flash is always more risky thatn flashing just an .ucl
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00:08:49	Bagder	Zagor: can you update the www from svn?
00:08:55	Zagor	sure
00:08:57	amiconn	If we don't make new flash images, the available ones will of course still contain the older release, but that can be changed easily by the user
00:09:08	Bagder	ah and add a project news item
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00:09:47	amiconn	But this time there is a significant change in the flash loader - the faster decompressor
00:10:42	*	amiconn is running (unpublished) flash images with that asm decompressor on all his archoses
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00:13:14	Zagor	Bagder: are you adding it, or should I?
00:13:30	Bagder	please do!
00:14:17	Zagor	ok
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00:14:36	LambdaCalculus37	Is it timew?
00:14:40	LambdaCalculus37	s/timew/time
00:14:56	kugel	ahh
00:15:16	kugel	major issue! the ReleaseNotes link on the releases page leads to the 3.0 release notes!
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00:15:41	Hillshum	Zagor: edit that while at it
00:15:52	Bagder	you think anyone will notice? ;-)
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00:16:09	kugel	actually, yes
00:16:11	gevaerts	Someone did :)
00:16:14	*	Zagor scurries
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00:16:30	mib_ljp1nv6h	RbUtil 1.08 doesn't exist
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00:16:51	gevaerts	It does. Not all mirrors are up to date yet, but...
00:17:00	Bagder	the mirrors should all have it shortly
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00:17:56	LambdaCalculus37	MarcGuay: Welcome. Did you bring beer for the release party? :)
00:18:23	*	kugel congratulates everyone to the release
00:18:28	MarcGuay	The cheapest I could find.
00:18:45	*	LambdaCalculus37 brings beer from Brooklyn
00:18:45	kugel	the cheaper, the more! no problem
00:18:58	*	MarcGuay wonders about the different uses of m and v in RbUtil as well...
00:19:44	Bagder	I think it's a secret message to us from the rbutil guys that we haven't cracked yet
00:20:06	lostlogic	Bagder: didn't you mean Happy Chanukah? Christmas isn't until Thursday :-D
00:20:20	webguest22	could someone fix the typo in the release announcement on the wiki: "featues" -> "features"
00:20:42	Bagder	now now, let's all imagine a very loong time zone where we all have celebrate christmas at once!
00:20:44	Hillshum	lostlogic Christmas Eve Eve
00:20:58	scorche\|sh	and Hanukkah! ;)
00:21:04	Bagder	and then imagine me being able to type that properly
00:21:19	webguest22	oh and congrats everyone on the release :)
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00:25:55	Hillshum	somebody ancouce the release in the topic
00:26:09	LambdaCalculus37	Bagder's doing that.
00:26:26	Bagder	nah, I'm doing the forum announce
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00:27:01	Topic	"The topic for #rockbox is: Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines \| Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community \| 3.1 is Released!" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:27:08	Topic	"The topic for #rockbox is: Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines \| Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community \| 3.1 is released!" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
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00:27:41	Tangent1	is it possible to remove the "recording" option on the main menu?
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00:27:47	amiconn	Bagder: Please have a look at my attempt to document the extra steps necessary for new flash images (wiki
00:27:54	scorche\|sh	Tangent1: sure...if you edit the code and compile your own build
00:28:15	Tangent1	exceeds my skill level
00:28:20	Tangent1	thanks though
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00:28:45	gevaerts	Tangent1: buy a player that doesn't do recording?
00:29:05	Tangent1	i want it out becuase I don't think my ipod does do recording
00:29:23	Llorean	Tangent1: It does do recording, but you need a dock adapter.
00:29:25	scorche\|sh	that opion wouldnt be there if your device doesnt record
00:29:30	scorche\|sh	option too
00:29:44	Hillshum	There is a line out in the dock connector
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00:30:16	Tangent1	i gotcha
00:30:32	lostlogic	scorche\|sh: I love how we can't even agree on how to spell it :)
00:30:51	scorche\|sh	lostlogic: well, pretty much any spelling is correct nowadays... =)
00:31:09	Bagder	amiconn: I'd like step 2, 6 and 7 to be automated like all the other builds are, to reduce the risks of manual mistakes and decrease the work
00:32:00	amiconn	Hmm, step 6 and 7 cannot be easily automated
00:32:25	gartral1	umm... the download links on the rbutil page report bad
00:32:49	Bagder	gartral1: wait 5 mins and try again
00:33:04	Bagder	the mirrors aren't entirely synced yet
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00:33:19	amiconn	The problem is that the start address for the 2nd image (which is important e.g. for rombox) is only known after test-assembling the flash images
00:33:23	gartral1	ohh... i know how too work around that, thanks
00:34:17	amiconn	If there's a mismatch, it needs to be fixed by either changing that address for the rombox builds, or padding the loader (obviously that only works for one type of mismatch)
00:37:10	amiconn	hmm
00:37:39	amiconn	In fact we could reverse 2 steps, and add an extra one. Then we don't need to reiterate across multiple steps
00:41:25	amiconn	updated.
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00:44:20	*	amiconn wonders how this could be automated
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00:45:04	amiconn	Building booxbox is simple - it's just like building the bootloader all the other targets
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00:46:00	amiconn	The flash loader is a little more complex, because (1) it builds in the source dir, and (2) it build in either 1 or 2 variants, depending on whether the archos in question does exist in a romless version or not
00:46:09	Zagor	hmm, I missed fixing the pcm watermark.
00:48:14	amiconn	Assembling the images then needs to be done either once or twice per target, using the 1 or 2 flash loaders built. The version needs to be bumped in the template file(s)
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00:54:14	MarcGuay	Anyone here claiming respinsibility for maintaining the VMware image?
00:54:23	MarcGuay	or responsibility... depending...
00:57:49	Tangent1	how is album cover art assigned to files?
00:58:03	MarcGuay	This: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=18731 needs to be done again but should probably be vaguer so it doesn't have to be changed every release.
00:58:18	MarcGuay	Tangent1: Check the AlbumArt wiki page.
00:58:23	Tangent1	thanks
00:58:33	Tangent1	i found the manual (ipod video 80gb) lacking
00:59:29	MarcGuay	Tangent1: The manual and the wiki both need love. Check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualTodo
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01:03:24	MarcGuay	Zagor: Bagder: "Reported version" in flyspray still defaults to 3.0.
01:03:37	Zagor	fixing
01:03:59	MarcGuay	A+
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01:19:24	*	MarcGuay considers removing the suggested method of removing DRM from the FAQ, as it's lame...
01:22:17	MarcGuay	... then does it and replaces most of the text with the stuff from the NoDo document.
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01:51:06	*	kugel got a 4th quickscreen item working
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01:55:37	Hillshum	Can I get a rockbox cloak?
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01:56:00	kugel	Llorean: 4 items on a remote don't look too bad actually
01:56:06	kugel	at least with the default font
01:56:40	scorche\|sh	Hillshum: i dont believe you qualify...there is no "user" cloak
01:56:49	Hillshum	okay
01:58:34	Hillshum	How about set one up?
01:58:48	Hillshum	If not to much trouble
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02:01:04	scorche\|sh	i would rather not...a user cloak would be a pain...if you want a cloak, #freenode will give out unaffiliated cloaks
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02:07:31	lufis	I'm experiencing some weird stuff I'm wondering if anyone can shed some light on. Sometimes my 4th gen ipod photo will boot Rockbox, sometimes it will boot the ipod firmware. Is this normal?
02:08:35	Hillshum	When the hold switch is on, the Apple firmware is loaded
02:09:00	lufis	ah −− that explains it
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02:09:43	lufis	I was under the impression rockbox overwrites the ipod firmware
02:10:04	Hillshum	it sits alongside it
02:11:16	lufis	and one more thing... I've had it plugged in trying to charge it pretty much all day today, but it never keeps a charge because as soon as I plug it in and it charges enough to operate, it turns itself on and drains the battery immediately, and keeps on in that cycle
02:13:48	Hillshum	Plugged in to a comp or a dummy charger?
02:14:41	lufis	It happens either way
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02:15:08	lufis	I use it in my car a lot and have a car charger for it and it does the same thing
02:15:14	*	Hillshum doesn't know much on this topic
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02:15:30	lufis	hmm... is there a way to turn it off?
02:15:33	Hillshum	Boot the OF first. That should help.
02:15:37	lufis	for lack of a better term
02:15:42	lufis	OF?
02:15:54	Hillshum	Original Firmware
02:15:59	lufis	ah
02:16:00	lufis	ok
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02:17:33	lufis	Hillshum: thanks :)
02:17:52	Hillshum	lufis: Check the FAQs too
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02:47:29	abramsgunner	How long does it usually take to propagate to mirrors in the US?
02:50:35	saratoga	5-6 minutes
02:50:44	saratoga	you can see on the builds page how long it took on the most recent revision
02:52:05	JdGordon	or an hour or so for download.rockbox.org content
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02:55:03	Stormx2	They're talking about RockBox on the BBC World Service :>
02:55:56	saratoga	got a link?
02:56:15	saratoga	also, i definately want RSS for the tracker, the current version is good but only informs me when tasks open or close
02:56:33	Stormx2	It's live at the moment
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02:56:40	Stormx2	ah, they're done
02:56:47	Stormx2	it'll be downloadable, though
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02:58:30	Stormx2	Ah, here you go: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/digitalp/digitalp_20081223-1030a.mp3
02:58:46	Stormx2	It's toward the end.
02:59:22	abramsgunner	I see.. I've been watching download.rockbox.org links and they are not ready yet.. is there a better way I can get it?
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03:00:34	Llorean	abramsgunner: If you download the "Current Build" using RButil it should be for the most part the same.
03:01:25	Llorean	In a fully practical sense, release versions are more useful as a fallback when development builds are extra unstable.
03:01:41	Llorean	Especially immediately after a release, the Current Build is the same, and shortly afterward it's usually better.
03:01:55	saratoga	yeah i wouldn't use the release builds unless something is wrong with the current build
03:02:05	abramsgunner	roger that
03:04:09	krazykit	rockbox is mentioned at 21:45 in the bbc cast above
03:04:37	lufis	should rockbox's "version" field on the device start with r if i'm running a stable release?
03:05:25	Llorean	lufis: Does it say 3.1 distinctly in the number?
03:05:43	lufis	Llorean: No
03:07:01	lufis	r19569-081223
03:07:28	saratoga	thats post 3.1
03:08:01	Llorean	The version number should be r######-3.1-date like 3.0 was r18607-3.0-080923
03:08:07	lufis	ah
03:08:15	Llorean	But, I'm not absolutely sure the version string is right with the 3.1 release
03:08:17	lufis	I guess it installed the latest SVN?
03:08:22	lufis	oh
03:08:23	Llorean	It's possible the release-string isn't in it for some reason
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03:09:07	saratoga	oh its not post 3.1
03:09:12	saratoga	misread the r number
03:09:33	Llorean	Actually, 19569 is 3.1
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03:09:38	gartral1	ok, its been an hour... i still cant det m1.0.8
03:09:39	Llorean	So it looks like the special version string didn't happen.
03:09:44	gartral1	get*
03:09:50	Llorean	gartral1: Then go to bed, and get it in the morning, or have patience.
03:10:37	Llorean	saratoga: It looks like the version string is definitely wrong in the rockbox-info.txt for at least one of the builds.
03:10:41	gartral1	all i want to know is if its a localised area, or just me, cause ive trryed everything...
03:10:56	Llorean	gartral1: You're not the only one. Have patience.
03:12:03	gartral1	ok, ill try again when i get off work at 2
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03:24:50	saratoga	soap: is the Ipod Accessory Patch up to date? if so it should be commited IMO
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03:56:12	webguest04	hello
03:57:38	webguest04	is anybody online, today?
03:57:49	Llorean	webguest04: Did you have a specific question?
03:59:24	webguest04	yes. I created a preset file for my city, (radio stations), and I was wondering if somebody could upload it to the wiki for me
03:59:32	webguest04	http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/2161740_fd5wn/presets.zip
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04:00:58	webguest04	Spokane, Washington is the city
04:03:03	webguest04	llorean?
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04:04:40	advcomp2019	webguest04, why not you post it on the wiki
04:05:55	webguest04	how does one do that?
04:08:10	advcomp2019	sign up for the wiki then someone will give you access
04:09:22	webguest04	do you have a link to the sign-up URL?
04:09:58	jhMikeS	album art really needs to be fixed not to fill with white for non-square album covers
04:12:17	advcomp2019	webguest04, if you click on wiki on the side it will tell you
04:12:19	jhMikeS	nvm, it's some assinine thing I did. :p
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04:42:31	Ligh7C	hey guys
04:42:46	Ligh7C	anyone know if cue sheets are supported in release 3.1?
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04:43:31	saratoga	they've been supported for a coulpe years now
04:45:36	kugel	saratoga: the c200v2 patch can be committed I think
04:45:56	kugel	both even
04:47:07	Ligh7C	saratoga, it doesn't seem like they are supported: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CuesheetSupport
04:47:25	Ligh7C	i have an ape image on my rockbox with a cue sheet in the same folder
04:47:37	Ligh7C	doesn't seem to be able to read the cue
04:47:42	Ligh7C	do i need a plugin of some sorts?
04:48:29	advcomp2019	Ligh7C, if you look at the FS# it says it was added
04:48:35	kugel	Ligh7C: that page is heavily outdated
04:48:50	Ligh7C	hmm
04:49:01	Ligh7C	any idea why i can't see the cue?
04:49:02	kugel	Ligh7C: you need to enable cue sheet before you can use it (I believe it's in the playback settings)
04:49:06	Ligh7C	ahh
04:49:09	Ligh7C	let me check
04:51:50	Ligh7C	awesome
04:51:52	Ligh7C	got it
04:51:52	Ligh7C	thanks
04:51:58	kugel	you're welcome
04:52:19	Ligh7C	is there a way to get it to list the individual tracks in the playlist?
04:52:29	Ligh7C	or do you always have to play the image to see the tracks
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04:54:53	saratoga	kugel: ok i'll commit it
04:55:14	saratoga	also, does anyone object to me commiting that e200 keypad fix thing for the v1
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05:04:41	saratoga	kugel: regarding that patch, the bootloader is working but not rockbox itself?
05:04:55	saratoga	theres no LCD driver right?
05:07:39	kugel	he didn't test yet
05:07:46	kugel	probably not
05:07:58	saratoga	ok i'll note that
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05:08:25	kugel	there's a big FIXME me in that file, so I don't claim that it works :)
05:08:31	saratoga	the bootloader blinks the lights or something then?
05:08:39	kugel	saratoga: which e200 keypad fix??
05:08:54	kugel	saratoga: the bootloader doesn't do anything
05:09:17	saratoga	isn't there a patch that prevents the power from going up a level?
05:09:18	kugel	the patch is supposed to get dualboot working (which it does) and get the c200v2 in the target tree
05:09:35	kugel	yea, but that needs more work
05:10:14	kugel	from what I've noticed the time screen is a little bit odd with that patch
05:11:46	kugel	the problem is that the power button is still ACTION_STD_CANCEL and such, changing all this to BUTTON_LEFT like it's supposed to be needs a bit more work
05:12:02	kugel	e.g. all the lang strings that contain buttons
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05:18:53	kugel	saratoga: don't forget the mkamsboot patch :)
05:20:07	JdGordon	kugel: you know there is already a patch to add a 4th qs option?
05:20:21	kugel	JdGordon: no :S
05:20:26	saratoga	woah lots of warnings on the sims
05:21:26	kugel	saratoga: doesn't seem to be related to my patch
05:21:41	kugel	I know those warnings from ubuntu 8.10 though
05:21:49	kugel	JdGordon: fs#?
05:22:15	JdGordon	9675
05:22:37	JdGordon	kugel: have you got a bunch of ams patches that need commiting still?
05:23:34	kugel	JdGordon: well, I wouldn't call it "need", I don't feel so strong about about them
05:23:53	kugel	they don't really get stuff working as it should, but they're better than what's in svn
05:24:27	JdGordon	ah, hmm..
05:24:32	kugel	JdGordon: re the 4th qs item: my patch goes a bit farther and tries to address the issues with ACTION_QS_DOWNINV and to handle remotes
05:25:50	JdGordon	I only gave that other 1 a very quick look.. and havnt looked at yours at all yet.. jsut letting oyu know it was done already
05:26:04	kugel	yea, I totally missed that one :(
05:26:10	JdGordon	going from the logs though, the h100 remote could make things difficult
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05:30:23	kugel	JdGordon: my patch also fixes some quirks with in the fix_viewports function which haven't been visible until I added a 4th item
05:31:08	saratoga	JdGordon: I can't duplicate the warning your machine threw on the mini2G sim this last build
05:31:11	JdGordon	that shuold be added as a seperate patch... but not a big deal
05:31:11	saratoga	any ideas?
05:31:18	*	JdGordon has a look
05:32:44	saratoga	a couple threw it, so its probably specific to your OS or compiler version i guess
05:33:12	JdGordon	im running 8.10
05:33:15	kugel	as I said, ubuntu 8.10 throws such warnings if you build in tools/
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05:35:29	JdGordon	those look like warnings which should be fixed anyway...
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05:38:32	JdGordon	I got rid of all but one of them with a change to the cflags in tools.make
05:39:03	kugel	grr
05:39:53	JdGordon	and the convbdf.c warning looks like it could be fixeable in the source
05:44:03	kugel	JdGordon: if you need to trigger a build to watch if the warnings are gone, here: http://pastebin.ca/1292813 :)
05:44:45	JdGordon	thats ok.... I can build manually anfd get the same warnings :)
05:44:49	JdGordon	whats that?
05:45:33	kugel	it fixes the typo in the c200v2 button driver which I just noticed
05:46:41	kugel	not a big deal probably until someone gets hacking on it seriously
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05:48:37	JdGordon	ok, now im confused... the commit i just did didnt show a warning on the table but it does on my computer!
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05:51:52	saratoga	kugel: thats worth fixing
05:51:55	saratoga	i'll do it now
05:52:08	kugel	thanks
05:57:50	kugel	saratoga: does your fuze work now or not?
05:59:50	saratoga	kugel: i haven't tried formatting it, but i think i will right now
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06:01:03	kugel	use mkfs.vfat, I believe other tools can brick the OF (depending on if they actually change the partitions or only create a filesystem, the former one is dangerous)
06:01:36	saratoga	unfortunately i don't have direct access to a linux machine here, is it ok to just delete all files off the thing and then readd the .rockbox?
06:02:05	kugel	that should work too iiuc
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06:10:11	saratoga	kugel: that fixed it, thanks
06:10:35	kugel	so you can boot rockbox? nice
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07:16:31	Dhraakellian	no digg or fsdaily posts for 3.1 yet?
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08:06:39	amiconn	JdGordon: Couldn't this warning have been fixed by replacing fprintf with fputs?
08:07:08	*	amiconn also wonders about the other, remaining warning
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08:13:38	JdGordon	amiconn: ah yeah, probably...
08:14:01	JdGordon	the other ones cant be fixed by adding -D_PEDANTIC=0 into the cflags in make.tools
08:14:05	JdGordon	tools.make even
08:17:27	amiconn	Hmm, but why do they suddenly show up, and why only for a few sims?
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08:18:03	JdGordon	im guessing the tools arnt cleaned every build, so unless one of them changes they dont show up?
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08:19:55	JdGordon	... that -D above isnt exactly correct
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08:31:53	saratoga	very interesting email about udma on the mailing list
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08:58:18	amiconn	saratoga: Interesting indeed.
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09:05:06	amiconn	He may be right about the read speed being mainly cache read. On large-mem targets we could have one more buffer size in test_disk
09:06:27	saratoga	amiconn: was it you who said we took almost twice as long to fully buffer as the OF?
09:07:39	JdGordon	are CF cards going to cause more pain with this?
09:18:05	saratoga	i think UDMA is pretty commonly used on CF cards, so hopefully not
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10:32:12	plutonian	What configuration do I need to set in order to make it so that rockbox never puts my ipod in disk mode?
10:32:45	plutonian	I've got ipodlinux installed along with rockbox and I use loader2 to boot rockbox, disk mode, podzilla, iboy, or apple os
10:33:52	plutonian	and I want to make it so that when I plug my ipod in and it turns on, I can select rockbox and go directly to rockbox
10:34:28	plutonian	right now if I select rockbox while it's plugged in, rockbox boots, sees that I'm plugged in, and goes to disk mode
10:34:32	plutonian	even if I hold down menu
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12:30:08	daurnimator	isn't doom 95 just windows doom "client" - its doesn't change wads or anything...
12:30:25	daurnimator	only compatability thing would be networking... and you don't play network games with rockbox
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13:01:21	gevaerts	You mean the name? That's "standard" for an utf8-encoded m3u file
13:02:04	ajb	ahh, I shall comment the code appropriatly
13:02:37	Jaykay	a question concerning the MajorChanges page: it says "fm radio support for gigabeat s".... but this gigabeat isnt supported.....
13:02:59	Jaykay	shouldnt it only say "gigabeat s is supported" when everythings working?
13:04:33	Jaykay	ah it also says "sound on the gigabeat s"
13:05:20	ender`	i unserstand "FM radio support on Gigabeat S" as "if you're running rockbox on Gigabeat S, the radio now works"
13:05:24	ender`	understand*
13:06:12	Jaykay	according to the main page the S isnt supported
13:06:46	Jaykay	so as i said it should finally say "gigabeat s is supported" when everything is working fine
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16:44:15	ajb	LambdaCalculus37: few hours to go yet ;-)
16:44:38	rasher	Depends where you live.
16:44:49	LambdaCalculus37	In Sweden, the 24th is celebrated.
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16:45:33	LambdaCalculus37	Anyway, at the risk of running off-topic, many of the developers are probably with friends or family right now, so expect the channel to be pretty quiet today.
16:46:02	*	ajb hopes to get an updated #9677 uploaded before the rest of the family arrive
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18:34:32	fdinel	kugel: nope, not at all :D
18:40:58	kugel	fdinel: hehe, then why are you here? :)
18:41:10	kugel	ah, I know, it's a nice place
18:43:13	fdinel	kugel: blame it on auto-connect :P
18:43:28	kugel	:P
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18:43:46	fdinel	but yeah right, its all warm and confortable :P
18:43:52	fdinel	haha
18:44:02	fdinel	have a nice xmas/whatever :P
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18:46:07	kugel	fdinel: you too!
18:46:57	*	kugel thinks christmas is a good time to not mess with the fuze for a few days
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19:56:54	RyanHammond	write privileges, please?
19:57:13	GodEater	to the wiki presumably ?
19:57:30	RyanHammond	yes. I was going to add a radio station preset file
19:58:11	GodEater	Your nickname here is the same as your wiki name ?
19:58:19	RyanHammond	yes.
19:58:56	GodEater	done
19:58:58	GodEater	enjoy :)
19:59:18	RyanHammond	Is there anything special I had to do to start uploading?
19:59:25	RyanHammond	have to
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20:01:37	GodEater	Shouldn't be. Once you click the "Edit" link on a page it should just let you get on with it.
20:01:48	GodEater	or ask you for your wikiname/password if you're not logged in yet.
20:11:56	RyanHammond	um, I'm not sure where the file uploaded. It needs to be under, "Washington State"
20:15:24	GodEater	I can see the link at the bottom of the page
20:15:52	GodEater	you'll need to read Twiki's help to work out how to get the link to them in the right place. Or copy one of the other ones on the page to see how they've done it.
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20:18:58	RyanHammond	how might I copy one?
20:23:41	GodEater	just take a look at the syntax in the wiki page for how they've been done
20:23:51	GodEater	I think you need to set your attachment to "hidden" too
20:24:06	GodEater	I don't edit the wiki often enough to remember this off the top of my head I'm afraid
20:24:14	GodEater	I end up re-learning it every time
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20:26:37	mirrorbox	hello, anybody used iPod with rockbox firmware via car's iPod-link device?
20:28:12	lucent	mirrorbox: I think it is referred to as "iPod accessory support"
20:28:32	lucent	mirrorbox: the only way to know is try it yourself
20:29:17	mirrorbox	lucent: I tryed it myself, the 'next track' and 'prev track' keys doesn't work on the car's head unit
20:31:23	mirrorbox	and btw is it ok that it displays 'Loading...' for the mpeg file for a several minutes already? :)
20:31:32	scorche\|sh	mirrorbox: you can try including a patch in the tracker that is meant to give the protocol support for that
20:32:18	mirrorbox	scorche\|sh: let me try to find the patch
20:35:50	mirrorbox	scorche\|sh: do you remember keywords for this patch?
20:36:25	scorche\|sh	mirrorbox: apple accessory protocol?
20:36:31	mirrorbox	yup
20:36:48	scorche\|sh	mirrorbox: i mean, did you try searching for that?
20:37:13	mirrorbox	searching for "accessory" gives nothing
20:38:20	scorche\|sh	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8624
20:39:02	mirrorbox	thanks
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20:40:49	mirrorbox	I wonder if it's going to be hard to compile it on freebsd :>
20:41:13	scorche\|sh	shouldnt be...just run the rockboxdev.sh tool
20:42:47	lucent	mirrorbox: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9647 patch against rockboxdev.sh you might want
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20:44:19	mirrorbox	lucent: will take a look at this too, thanks
20:46:59	mirrorbox	I wonder in what commands my head unit translate stuff like "switch to the next playlist"
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20:52:30	mirrorbox	ok, thanks guys for help, I'll try to compile rockbox with this patch and test it in car
20:53:45	mirrorbox	and it seems it hanged on the video file :)
20:58:46	Llorean	Did you convert it using one of our suggested methods?
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21:03:48	wa4chq	hi...i have a sansa e200 and have rockbox installed....i was setting up background pic and adjust brightness and delay or sleep and the fade out went from being normal, like fadeout after 3 seconds but somehow I must of set it to fadeout in 0 seconds cuz now i cant see the screen...what should i do
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21:10:13	krazykit	the manual has instructions on how to clear your settings
21:11:36	wa4chq	ok, the rockbox manual for the sansa e200?
21:11:42	krazykit	yes
21:12:54	wa4chq	ok...thnx
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21:30:15	wa4chq	krazykit: could not find it in the manual
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21:33:16	bertrik	wa4chq, IIRC, settings are reset when holding the REC button on startup
21:34:30	wa4chq	bertrik: ok...will give it a go...tnx
21:36:05	wa4chq	bertrik: that did the trick...thnx so much...merry christmas
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21:48:46	kugel	lucent: hey, your "christmas present" is delaying a bit it seems :)
21:48:58	kugel	merry christmas anyway!
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22:05:23	rsty	hello, i cant get ipodpatcher to find my ipod... what do i do?
22:05:26	rsty	i use archlinux.
22:05:43	Llorean	rsty: What iPod do you have?
22:05:46	rsty	its mounted, and it cannot find it.
22:05:47	rsty	umm.
22:05:53	rsty	classic 80gig
22:05:57	Llorean	It's not supported.
22:06:01	Llorean	It says this clearly on the front page of the site.
22:06:13	rsty	it says it supports 30/60/80g
22:06:17	rsty	in the manual
22:06:34	rsty	or im not sure if its classic
22:06:35	Llorean	Yes. Of the iPod 5G / 5.5G models
22:06:37	rsty	its 80gig video
22:06:39	Llorean	The Classic is the 6G
22:06:47	Llorean	Both play video.
22:07:04	rsty	how do i find out what gen i have?
22:07:07	rsty	i just got it last year
22:07:21	Llorean	If you got it new last year it's a Classic / 6G
22:07:39	rsty	oh
22:07:43	rsty	alright, thanks.
22:17:49	wa4chq	rsty: I use slackware, how do you like arch?
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22:18:22	Llorean	wa4chq: That's really off-topic for this channel
22:18:36	wa4chq	L1orean: sorry
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22:23:29	rsty	wa4chq, i love arch.
22:23:49	rsty	switched over from gentoo... the compiling speeds almost doubled. if you ever used gentoo.
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