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#rockbox log for 2008-12-25

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00:46:33ZagorjhMikeS: can you explain why pcmbuf_unplayed_bytes is much lower than pcmbuf_get_bufsize() - pcmbuf_free() ?
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00:48:55ZagorI'm testing with a smaller pcmbuf on flash targets, but end up with too much boost because pcmbuf_unplayed_bytes hovers around 40% of pcmbuf_size, wich triggers pcmbuf_under_watermark() and thus cpu_boost()
00:49:01toffe82rbutilqt v1.08 is not working ? it says missing mingw10.dll reinstall ??l
00:49:32toffe82on windows
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00:50:58kugelZagor: why only on flash? pcmbuf gets data from ram, which is not really dependent on flash/disk (I'd rather say this is worth more on disk, since the pcm contains the least "effictive" data)
00:51:10kugelor am I wrong?
00:52:19Zagorkugel: I like to limit the number of variables, so I'm starting with flash.
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00:52:29kugelah, that makes sense :)
00:52:30jhMikeSZagor: Not offhand. It might have to do with chunk sizes?
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00:55:31kugel"Build should have been done 10 minutes ago" something seems wrong
00:55:58Zagortoffe82: I've seem some such reports. try to find the dll and copy/download it to the rbutilqt dir
00:56:21*jhMikeS regularly hangs the builds (somehow).
00:56:27gartralummm, what is mingwm10.dll, and why is rbutil distributed without it?
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00:59:53ZagorI think the proper question rather is "why does rbutilqt.exe require it". as far as I know previous versions didn't.
01:00:29gartralyour right
01:00:58gartrali took a screenshot of the error box, anyone a good photobin?
01:01:05bertrikI get the same here under vista, 1.0.7 runs fine but 1.0.8 complains about the missing dll
01:01:06gartralanyone know*
01:01:35gartrali get it under a hybridised win xp
01:02:23bertrik1.0.8 is also quite a big bigger than 1.0.7: about 3.3 MB vs. 4.4 MB
01:02:53gartralive noticed that, but in my mind "eh, new file, has more stuff"
01:03:49gartral[dangit, havent had coffee] file version*
01:04:22gartrali have a theory as too how this happened..
01:08:46gartraljudging by the lack of talk, i seem doubtful my theory stirred any interest >.>
01:09:55Zagoruh, you never wrote it
01:12:18 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon)
01:12:54gartral>.< [blames firewall blocking irc] someone with the ming desktop manager tryed compiling this rbutil, and it ended up thinking it needed that particular window managers resources to display at all
01:13:34Zagorthere's a "ming desktop manager"?
01:13:50gartralerm, window manager, thankyou
01:14:12gartraland yes, here, ill get the project page, with your permisions
01:16:24krazykitmingw is not the same as xming
01:16:38gartralohh.. ok
01:16:54gartrallike i said, i havent had any coffee yet, my brain aint working
01:19:07Zagorapparently gcc flag -mthreads causes the inclusion of this DLL.
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01:31:04toffe82it looks like there is a problem to compile it too, it doesn't find the ressource file
01:31:28soapsaratoga, I don't use it - so I don't know if anything in SVN has changed the functionality of the IAP patch.
01:31:48soapDid I just say IAP patch? ATM machine? Oh well. Merry Christmas all.
01:34:55kugel"doppelt gemoppelt", as we'd say here :)
01:38:21kugelsorry, wrong channel :/
01:38:35liiwibsod is always a fun sight!
01:46:45gartralwhat caused?
01:47:51saratogasoap: well people seem to be reporting success with it, so I think it should go in unless it breaks something else
01:48:08ZagorjhMikeS: with a buffer size of 176400 (1 second) pcmbuf_unplayed_bytes is 69120 bytes every time pcmbuf_under_watermark() runs. that's PCMBUF_TARGET_CHUNK*2 + 0xe00. I can't make any sense of it.
01:48:34soapyes, I have seen no breakage, I use it as my every-day build, but do not have an accessory.
01:48:43Zagorand during this, the audio thread debug screen shows pcm buffer is constantly 90% full
01:49:09soapand as we are as far away from 3.2 as we can possibly get - there is lots of time to fix a flub.
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01:52:20Llor_PhoneIpod accessory support would also make a good new feature for the 3.2 changelog
01:52:32Llor_PhoneNice to get one in now
01:53:16saratogasoap: the current patch is synced then?
01:54:15soapappears to be.
01:54:21soaplast I checked, one sec
01:54:51soapas of 19534 it was.
01:55:21Llor_PhoneSpeaking of release, anyone thought about what might prompt major versio number changes?
01:55:41soapNot going to put this in the forum thread as it will likely only last another hour or two - but has iRiver H10 20GB players for say.
01:55:44soapsale even.
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01:56:11Llor_PhoneI've thought maybe when we add new archetypes, like when we "support" AMS or TCC
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01:57:17ZagorLlor_Phone: I don't think new targets is enough to bump the major number. a major shift in capabilities/architecture is a better reason.
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01:59:22*gartral wishes he had the money for this
01:59:48saratogaSWCODEC was a good reason for a verion bump
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02:00:03soapWhat "major" increase in capability is possible with current design goals? Rockbox-as-app?
02:00:04saratogaprobably be a while before theres one quite that big
02:00:04*gartral agrees with saratoga
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02:00:16Llor_PhoneSWCODEC was, but I don't foresee too many other large changes.
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02:00:35gartralthe final version of mpeg player, mabey?
02:00:38Llor_PhoneMeanwhile new SOCs tha bring in categories of players are pretty major
02:00:38Zagorsoap: I don't know. we'll find out when/if that happens.
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02:01:04Llor_PhoneI'm not saying every new player.
02:01:04Zagorbut I'll be perfectly happy even if we never reach 4.0
02:01:29Llor_PhoneJust a way to indicate jumps in supported hardware ranges
02:01:52gartralwhy are we worring about 4.0?!?, were not even working on 3.4....
02:02:11soapnavel-gazing is not w/o its place.
02:02:18Llor_Phonegartral: you seem to have mised the point
02:02:34gartralprobably.... im not very with it today
02:02:48Llor_PhoneMajor version number changes can happen sequentially without minor version changes anyway
02:03:11Llor_PhoneBut you need to know why you might change it.
02:03:25Llor_PhoneWhat prompted 1.x to 2.x?
02:03:27JdGordonnew targets isnt a good reason for a version bump...
02:04:08soaphe never said "new targets" - he said "new architectures"
02:05:09JdGordoneven then
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02:05:38Llor_PhoneI just think users expect major version to change over time.
02:05:40JdGordona major version bump implies lots of big changes to everytinhg... a new arch doesnt touch code elsewhere
02:05:54Llor_PhoneAnd version numbers are artificial and for users anyway
02:06:15Llor_PhoneA major version implies a significant change.
02:07:04Llor_PhoneA new SoC often indicates several new ports and a degree of ease of porting to others.
02:07:27JdGordonbut no change to everyone else
02:08:00gartralso just wondering, is anyone working on the rbutil problem, or have a link to this missing resource too quell its dependency?
02:08:22Llor_Phone3.0 brought little change to HWCODEC
02:08:45JdGordonit brought heaps more... but that was more because it took 3 years
02:08:50soapIf the trend continues that Rockbox does not run on currently available hardware AND the addition of a new architecture adds support for multiple choices in current players, then I think a major revision number would be important more as a PR move than anything else.
02:08:54JdGordonbut yeah, version numbers are silly
02:09:09Llor_PhoneJdGordon but swcodec was what prompted the major v change
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02:09:42Llor_PhoneI think as long as major numbers communicate something they're good
02:10:02Llor_PhoneFor many linuxes they mean very little in overall change.
02:10:15Zagormajor numbers communicate major changes
02:10:46Zagorjust because some people use major version as PR gimmicks doesn't mean we should
02:11:00Llor_PhoneIt is a major change to the range of hardware we support. that is significant.
02:11:16gartralhey, i found how to remove the dependency problem
02:11:19Llor_PhoneWe're a music player
02:11:22ZagorLlor_Phone: I disagree
02:11:40Zagorif we port the current rockbox to 50 new targets, it's still the current rockbox
02:11:49Llor_PhoneOther than adding more formats or a new UI, what CAN we add that's major version worthy?
02:12:22JdGordonanother new playback engine :)
02:12:34ZagorI don't know. And I don't care. I don't see a major version as a goal in itself.
02:12:36gartralstarting to work on mpeg player, or adding the abilty too scals and reformat images for the bg in real time?
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02:12:52Llor_PhoneI don't see why the major version shouldn't reflect the capabilities of the source rather than simply what the UI looks like.
02:13:03JdGordongartral: mpegplayer isnt high priority..
02:13:12ZagorI think the most realistic candidate for major version bump would probably be a full GUI replacement.
02:13:13JdGordonand its certainly not a mian part of rockbox...
02:13:20gartrali know, but im running low on ideas :)
02:13:38gartraland it is somthing i do use
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02:14:13soapI didn't think Llorean was suggesting it was a goal unto itself, but that if you can't define what makes a version number why use one at all? I assume Zagor's position is "increment it per release and if a major number is warranted Rockbox will know when it gets there"?
02:14:57Zagorsoap: exactly
02:16:11Llor_PhoneDid I miss why 1.x went to 2.x
02:16:21Llor_PhoneI'm on a very limited client.
02:17:53gartralSWCODEC i do belive
02:18:08Llor_PhoneNo, that was 2.x to 3.x
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02:20:06Zagoras far as I remember there was no major architectural change in 2.x. I think we bumped it to separate it from the "beta" impression that 1.x had
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02:21:21Llor_PhoneI think "stable" support for an archetype is something pretty major. But I really am not to attached to this specifically.
02:22:03Llor_PhoneI just think that A) major should change sometimes so it doesn't look like we're just maintaining
02:22:15*gartral wishes his computer wouldnt overheat when trying to build any code
02:22:22gartralgah, wrong chat
02:22:26Llor_PhoneB) we should know beforehand what kind of conditions prompt it
02:23:31ZagorLlor_Phone: I am firmly against bumping major version "so it doesn't look like we're just maintaining"
02:24:13Zagorand I also don't think we need to define a line beforehand. it's a discussion we can have when someone feels a major bump should be done.
02:24:25gartralyea, it deffinatly needs a reason to change
02:24:35Llor_PhoneZagor: I think 3.17 looks bad to users
02:24:39saratogayeah i don't see a reason to leave 3.x unless we change something major about how rockbox works
02:24:41ZagorLlor_Phone: I don't
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02:24:53Llor_PhoneAnd we release with version numbers explicitly as PR anyway.
02:25:46Zagorno. releases are a safe fallback in case a daily has bad bugs.
02:26:01_Auron_the number 3.17 doesn't look bad.. what would look bad is something like or something
02:26:08Zagorwe don't just pack up a daily and call it 3.1
02:26:10Llor_PhoneI said With version numbers.
02:26:26Llor_PhoneWe could just do a thre month backup by revision otherwise
02:26:52ZagorLlor_Phone: yes, but we wouldn't know which revision to fall back to. and our users definitely wouldn't know.
02:27:04Llor_PhoneYou miss my point.
02:27:26Llor_PhoneWe could've release r19556 stable binaries
02:27:32Llor_PhoneInstead of 3.1
02:27:38saratogathey're not the same
02:27:49saratogawe don't fork and release
02:27:53Llor_PhoneI'm talking labeling
02:28:02Llor_PhoneWe could still fork, etc
02:28:04saratogatheres parallel development, so releases don't corrispond to single svn revisions
02:28:10Zagorindeed we could, but then we'd have to spend even more time educating users
02:28:28saratogaok i'm putting in the accessory patch
02:28:30Llor_PhoneComits to the fork increment R stil, don't they?
02:28:46Llor_PhoneSo, they do.
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02:29:01JdGordonLlor_Phone: wouldnt this discussion be better in feb before we talk about 3.2 to decide if anything major changed?
02:29:08JdGordonlike soap said before
02:29:10gartrali have a good idea that seems pretty major, at least to me
02:29:21saratogaLlor_Phone: what are you trying to say?
02:29:38Llor_PhoneJdGordon: Better to have it when there is time than at a last minute.
02:29:57gartralget a working usb stack for the pp5052 based SOCs
02:29:59Llor_Phonesaratoga: the the NAME is for publicity / users
02:30:24Llor_PhoneTo users, a new selection of several players IS big.
02:30:40JdGordonLlor_Phone: we also dont want to go bumping the major version too often either or then people start to only use that instead of the minor releases
02:30:58Llor_PhoneJdGordon: that's part of my point
02:31:13ZagorLlor_Phone: no, because it doesn't change rockbox. it only adds a few more players. existing users will be _very_ dissappointed if rockbox 4.0 is the same as 3.1 but for a few new targets.
02:31:17Llor_PhoneI'm fishing for ideas that will increase it occasionally.
02:31:33Llor_PhoneNot almost never, as now, and not too often.
02:31:44Llor_PhoneThe right degree of "major" changes
02:32:06JdGordonbig optimisations? structural/internal changes? big UI improvements
02:32:24JdGordonthe first release after the rec update would be a good candidate
02:32:35gartrali use daily builds near-always, unless rbutil is smegged
02:32:35Llor_PhoneZagor: they weren't disappointed when they thought they were going from 2.5 to 3.0 so evidence clearly contradicts that.
02:32:38JdGordonif that ever happens
02:32:51Zagoreverybody accepts linux 2.6.28, so why wouldn't people accept rockbox 3.17?
02:33:24Llor_PhoneZagor: users know ubuntu 8.04 or Red Hat 9
02:33:28ZagorLlor_Phone: bad example. 2.5 to 3.0 was a huge update for everyone.
02:33:41JdGordonwe should just do <year>.<release number> like smoe linux distros
02:33:45Llor_PhoneZagor: Not for most users
02:34:09_Auron_v2 support will be a nice bump
02:34:16Llor_PhoneZagor: Most were using recent dailies thinking it was 2.5.
02:34:17gartralin the case of ubuntu, its <year><month of release>
02:34:51ZagorLlor_Phone: nobody thinks a daily is the last stable release
02:34:53JdGordonhaha! is that where the .04 and .10 comes in? /me never knew that
02:35:41ZagorJdGordon: that would mean changing the release number/name if it has to be pushed back. major admin headache.
02:35:42_Auron_makes version numbers easy though
02:35:45Llor_PhoneZagor: people don't realize the version is just one build
02:35:47gartraldaily builds have almost alway been stable...
02:36:06ZagorLlor_Phone: you make a lot of assumptions about our users. I disagree with you on a lot of those.
02:36:08Llor_PhoneZagor: read the forum some time. Plenty thought they had 2.5 on their ipod
02:36:10gartralalways, even
02:36:26gartrallol, ive seen that
02:36:41Llor_PhoneZagor: you're making assumptions. I'm talking about what our users actually say.
02:36:46krazykitgartral, but "stable" is being used in a different context. using it like you are is kind of confusing
02:37:12ZagorLlor_Phone: the forum is not our users. it's a narrow subset of our users.
02:37:36gartralok, it has always operated stabily, compared with your "dedicated" stable release
02:38:07Llor_PhoneAnd the other subset can actually read a changelog and won't be surprised by what features 4.0 really brings...
02:38:17gartrallike me >.>
02:38:36*JdGordon thinks users dont really care about numbers and will just use whatever version rbutil or thr download page grabs
02:38:41saratogai wish patches would add new files to SVN
02:39:18gartralsaratoga: i belive the reason there seperate is so the dont break SVN, if they dont work...
02:40:06saratogagartral: I don't understand
02:40:12JdGordonpatch was around before svn ...
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02:41:10saratogaall the more reason to update it
02:41:15gartralor am i confuzzuled by diffs....
02:41:15Zagorhow far have we come on logf over usb?
02:42:12Zagorsaratoga: patches do add new files to svn. my makefile overhaul added dozens of new files.
02:42:24Zagoroh, you mean add as in "svn add"?
02:43:09Zagorsvn could include an "svn patch" command that does it
02:43:20krazykitsaratoga, like ?
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02:47:26saratogakrazykit: was that ever added to svn?
02:47:32saratogaany patch commited
02:47:36saratogaanyway patch commited
02:48:15krazykitsaratoga, i wouldn't know, it's just what google pulled up :)
02:48:23*kugel thinks version numbering based on the release date isn't a bad idea
02:49:10kugelI don't think there's major addition soon'ish which would justify bumping the major version (if it's taken as _major_ version)
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02:51:16kugelso, I'd propose bumping the so called major version one a year, the minor one with every release (after 3.3 there's 4.0 etc)
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02:52:31JdGordonhow would people feel about allowing the wps to draw numbers from a .bmp strip? so you could display (for example) the clock in a different font than sysfont or the ui font?
02:52:44JdGordonsort of poor-mans-multifont
02:53:03Zagorkugel: unsurprisingly, I disagree. there are lots of better ways of making PR for ourselves than inflating our version numbers.
02:54:10kugelI don't feel strong about the versioning either, but I think it's better then having rockbox 3.1834
02:54:25JdGordonsaratoga: yay! about time that got in :)
02:54:57Zagorif we do 1800 releases without coming up with something that gives us a reason to bump the major version, then people _should_ think we are dead!
02:55:46JdGordonsaratoga: arg, you didnt bump the plugin version number... that needs upping if global_settings changes
02:55:53kugelwell, given the 3 month release cycle, I'm doubtful that there'll anything really major between releases
02:55:59JdGordonchanges in a way which isnt backwards compatible
02:56:21kugelmaybe between anual releases, but not between each
02:56:31Zagorkugel: I don't see a connection between major changes and the release cycle
02:56:48saratogastupid svn didn't pick up my fixes so theres plenty of yellow
02:56:55saratogai blame the lack of svn patch
02:57:26kugelwell, you can see a major improvement as a high number of minor improvements, but releases within 3 month will always just have a few improvements
02:57:40JdGordonthats not true
02:57:57JdGordon3 months could bring alot of big changes, just as much as it could bring none
02:58:08saratogai have to run, i'll fix the warnings in half an hour
02:58:15kugelanyway, I just wanted to give an idea, as I said, I don't really care about the versioning (also because I'm going to run the current anyways ;) )
02:58:54kugelJdGordon: yea, of course
02:59:48kugelbut between anual releases the chance for noting a big improvement or many minor ones is higher than between 3-monthly releases
02:59:52ZagorI think we should worry about the code for our next release rather than the code, and definitely not the version number, for a release one or more years from now.
02:59:55*JdGordon has no idea how to do this bmp number thing :/
03:00:29kugelJdGordon: rockpaint into core! ;)
03:00:38Zagordon't try to plan everything. just have fun. it has worked pretty well so far, hasn't it?
03:00:54JdGordonits usually fun...
03:00:58kugelZagor: that sounds like a good plan to me
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03:11:41kugelJdGordon: have you had a look at the quickscreen 4th item patch?
03:12:19kugelI'm still thinking of also showing the 4th item on remotes (which is doable with a reasonable font), but the button situation is still messy
03:13:06JdGordonI havn't
03:13:37JdGordonif it doesnt fit then there is no need to force it on... but make sure that if its a remote button press NOT to change the top item if its not
03:15:15kugelit fits with the default font
03:15:59kugeli.e. the font cabbie uses
03:16:43JdGordonas a 1 line display?
03:17:28kugelyou mean when bottom and top item are one (not two) line? yes
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03:18:58kugelbut there's not much room, so if you're going to use a little larger font it'll look ugly
03:22:51*JdGordon wishes there was some way wps tokens can grab some ram to store its values that dont fit into 1 int without wasteing space if its not used
03:26:46JdGordonis it possible to fit 0-51, 0-320, 0-320 into 4 bytes?
03:27:06JdGordon340 even
03:27:20kugelwith a union
03:27:31kugel(i think)
03:27:34JdGordonhmm.. yeah it will fit
03:28:03kugelyou can also tell a struct how much *bits* a member should take
03:28:18kugelbut I heard doing such things is rather bad performance wise
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03:28:29JdGordonyeah, thats what I'm tihnking
03:29:08JdGordonthis is good enough for a first attempt anyway
03:29:24kugelbut I doubt it's noticeable, unless you have billions of such structs
03:34:00*JdGordon is a bit asleep...
03:34:03JdGordonwill this work ?
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03:40:19kugelJdGordon: not sure
03:40:39JdGordonyeah, i tihnk its wrong... should be 22 on the top, 11 on the bottom
03:40:42JdGordonI tihnk :p
03:42:18kugelJdGordon: I was thinking this way:
03:42:41*kugel is hoping pastebin got that paste
03:43:00kugelso sloow :/
03:43:31JdGordonyeah, it went through...
03:43:48JdGordonyeah, that would work, although i prefer doing it myself...
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04:09:35harryoI checked flyspray but could find no mention of the following: upgraded e250 to 3.1 and now get invalid instruction errors doing just about anything. ideas?
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04:12:05webguest92Is rockbox compatible with iriver pmp 120
04:13:33Lloreanwebguest92: The list of supported devices is on the front page.
04:13:54Lloreanharryo: How did you upgrade, and when did you last update your bootloader?
04:15:19harryoLlorean: thx. had 3.0 installed from scratch. just update using util, but it apparently failed so I unziped directly
04:15:37harryoLlorean: didn't update bootloader. should I?
04:16:32Lloreanharryo: An outdated bootloader can cause such errors. How did you originally install. RBUtil should have no problems detecting a properly installed older Rockbox.
04:17:05webguest92Llorean: thanks, i checked but only other iriver devices appear; what would happen if i tried one of them on the pmp series, is it possible that it may work?
04:17:27harryoLlorean: original install was with RBUtil. worked OK. upgrade I just selected install of stable rockbox, not bootloader
04:17:54harryoLlorean: but upgrade with RBUtil seemed to have failed (no LCD fade options)
04:17:56Lloreanwebguest92: No, it's impossible it would work unless all hardware is 100% identical.
04:18:17Lloreanharryo: "Seemed to have failed." Did RButil say it was successful?
04:18:29LloreanDid you check the version number?
04:18:41harryoLlorean: yes, but booted twice and menu didn't seem updated
04:19:38LloreanSo the version number?
04:20:27harryoLlorean: version still showed 3.0
04:20:46LloreanThen the first goal would be figuring out why it's failing to install.
04:20:57webguest92Llorean: Thanks for the info; last question is whether it is likely that there will be support for th pmp 120 on the near future?
04:21:03harryoLlorean: trying again. ticked don't used cached copy
04:21:07Lloreanwebguest92: Only if owners of the player actually work on it.
04:21:19Lloreanharryo: It's possible your cable's bad. It sounds like you may have corrupt files, at least.
04:21:36Lloreanharryo: Are you using the newest version of RBUtil?
04:22:09harryoLlorean: 1.0.8. cable is good. can copy files no prob.
04:22:16webguest92Llorean: wish i could help; how would i go about that.
04:22:30Lloreanharryo: Just because you can copy files, doesn't mean the files aren't corrupt...
04:23:08Lloreanwebguest92: See the NewPort page on the Rockbox site wiki.
04:24:08webguest92Llorean: thanks for everything; i'll check it out; wish me luck! & good luck to all.
04:28:18saratogaugh the iap commit added crap to langs
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04:30:41_Griphin_I was curious if Rockbox would be ported to the Zune eventually?
04:30:49Llorean_Griphin_: Ports aren't planned
04:30:59LloreanThey happen when interested owners of the hardware do lots, and lots, and lots of work. :)
04:31:23_Griphin_I wish I knew how to hack the Zune, it badly needs Flac support
04:32:20_Auron_among other things
04:32:37LloreanThe shortcomings of the original firmware aren't really on topic here anyway.
04:33:21saratogaworse i mispelled my commit message
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04:34:12_Griphin_OK, thx fer the info
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04:34:34QUICKSTARTMerry Christmas everyone
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04:44:47harryoLlorean: now cannot get RBUtil to complete. always get failure to extract (tried several times, with and without SD card installed)
04:45:48Lloreanharryo: If rbutil won't complete, and when you copy the files manually Rockbox shows behaviour as if the files are corrupted, you should try a different USB port, different computer, different cable, or scan the filesystem.
04:45:58saratogathe bin size increase on archos for the iap patch is surprising, everything should have been ifdefed out on those builds
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04:46:37harryoLlorean: I'll try those as I can. will report back. thx
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05:07:03JdGordonsaratoga: you still havnt bum,ped the plugin api version...
05:10:40harryoLlorean: took 3 fsck's, but now upgraded. thx much!
05:13:19saratogaJdGordon: do I need to?
05:13:41JdGordonyes, you added settings into the middle of the global_settings struct
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05:31:01JdGordonnooooooooooooo!!! only got 16 bits to play with in the wps token value :'(
05:32:11tried_3just stoped by to say thank you for this great firmware... i just switched from v 2 to 3.1 and oh it rulez
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06:03:25JdGordonhaha this works :D
06:03:38*JdGordon might have a semi-late xmas pressy for the WPS crowd
06:03:50LloreanJdGordon: Whatcha changing?
06:04:22JdGordonbrand new feature :)
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06:05:00LloreanWhat feature though?
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06:05:25JdGordonlets you drawn a number from a bmp strip...
06:05:36LloreanAh, you mentioned that earlier.
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06:06:08JdGordonits not quite working yet, and its crashing the sim a fair bit so might not get it good enough to hand out today though :/
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06:07:31LloreanSo basically, any numeric tag can be given a strip bitmap to use for its numerals?
06:07:53JdGordonhahaha it works :)
06:07:55JdGordonand yes
06:08:00LloreanAlso a : character?
06:08:17JdGordonI need to limit it sensibly
06:08:24LloreanI think "times" is a sensible limit.
06:08:41JdGordonwell the time is made of multiple tags anyway, so the : can be a seperate bmp
06:08:49LloreanNot "progress in a song" time.
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06:09:05JdGordonalso adding non numbers makes it more complicated, but i guess thye can be added
06:10:06LloreanI *think* the only non-number that's really needed is : so you can use it for %pc
06:10:20LloreanI mean, otherwise what's the point?
06:10:29LloreanFor hour/minute/second you can already use them in a conditional with bitmaps, right?
06:10:58JdGordonI guess so, but currently you need 60 bmps to show the minute
06:10:59LloreanOr, if you can't, they could just be made into a conditional and leave out any automagic bitmap handling.
06:11:16JdGordonbut yeah, there is no point.. just another fun thing to add
06:11:21LloreanNo, you need 15 bitmaps, I think.
06:11:37Llorean(blank) through 5 in the "tens" digit, and 0-9 in the ones digit.
06:11:47LloreanYou need 60 conditionals, but you don't need to use whole bitmaps. :)
06:11:58JdGordonah yeah
06:11:58LloreanWell, 60 conditional steps
06:12:03JdGordonthis is crtailny easier though :)
06:12:32LloreanProbably, but I think if it's something they can already do, it should offer the ability to do it someplace they can't already do it. ;)
06:13:54JdGordonI'm also forcing fixed width chars... which might be another reason to not add the :
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06:21:24JdGordonhehe it works :)
06:21:32JdGordonI have a really really bad strip to test with though
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06:23:20Frog29I'm a new user here getting a missing mingwm10.dll error on two computers
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06:24:11advcomp2019Frog29, i think someone else had that issue.. i would have to look in the logs again
06:24:47Frog29i did some research anbd i saw at some poitn a whiel ago someone else had that problem
06:24:53Frog29maybe the file ws not packaged
06:25:24Frog29right now i'm trying to ginf the dll just by itself :P
06:27:22Frog29yea, manually installing the dll worked
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06:27:41Frog29and the olver version of the rockbox utility worked)
06:29:29JdGordonLlorean: really bad example... the top line is the plain text 12345 in the wps.. the 2nd line is %px (track percent complete)
06:30:21Frog29apparently today is not my lucky day with rockbox
06:30:30Frog29now it won't find my sansa
06:30:46JdGordonits not a v2 is it?
06:30:52Frog29yes i haev the right letter and product)
06:31:05Frog29don't beleive so, just about to double check
06:31:43Frog29version 01.01.18A
06:32:02Frog29and under usb mode it says msc and mtp so not rapshody
06:33:07advcomp2019are you using msc mode?
06:33:28Frog29i can access it through explorer
06:33:54LloreanThat doesn't mean it's in MSC mode. MTP devices can be accessed through explorer too
06:34:11Frog29hmm last tiem i checked it was but i shall reset it
06:35:00Frog29changed it to it again and still same problem
06:35:28Frog29would it be a bad idea to use the 1.07 installer and install 3.0?
06:35:44Frog29then just manually update to 3.1?
06:36:02LloreanIt's unlikely the 1.0.7 utility will find your player if 1.0.8 won't.
06:36:20Frog29just tried it :P
06:36:44LloreanWhat drive letter is your device?
06:37:00Frog29on one of my computers it had found it however i had a prblem with that computer not installign it correctly - i've already debricked it once
06:37:32LloreanAre you sure your cable's good?
06:37:40Frog29 {and yes my antivirus is disabled}
06:38:00Frog29i have no way to know if it is, but i have been able to transfer fiels succesfully
06:38:16Frog29thanks for the help btw
06:38:19LloreanIf it's having such problems on multiple computers, it seems likely there's some sort of hardware concern. Bad installs to the point of needing debricking aren't even really plausible if the hardware's good.
06:38:36Frog29maybe i did something wrong, let me try again :P
06:38:44Frog29do ineed to update the default firmware?
06:39:07LloreanThe original firmware version shouldn't really be a concern.
06:39:08Frog29i have version version 01.01.18A
06:39:54advcomp2019Frog29, what os are you using?
06:40:30Lloreanadvcomp2019: He said he's using explorer, so it's Windows.
06:41:21advcomp2019Llorean, i was wondering vista or xp tho
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06:45:33Frog29its time for the full story - so i got a newly refurbished sansa e280, then i tried to isntall rockbox on it, got the missing dll so i used the older 1.07 isntaller did the full isntall from there
06:45:43Frog29gave me an eror when isntalling botolaoder
06:46:00Frog29restareted device and it was missing both files - rockbox and the sansa but the bootloader was wroking
06:46:10Frog29so i undbricked back to the firmware it came with
06:46:26Frog29and then on the original computer it now won't recognize the player at all when it did earlier
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06:49:50Frog29wierdest story ending ever - so iwent back to computer A and used 1.07 and it worked perfectly
06:49:58Frog29thanks for your help
06:50:15Frog29although i'm still curious why 1.08 refuses to work on any ocmputer
06:50:29Frog29and maybe the dll is not packaged
06:50:37Lloreanthe dll should be unnecessary.
06:50:44LloreanIt was compiled wrongly it seems.
06:50:57LloreanAs long as the dll is present, it should still work, though.
06:51:04Frog29any clue one 1.07 working but not 1.08?
06:53:35LloreanMy bet is still simply on sporadically working bad cable.
06:53:45Frog29hmmm... darn
06:53:49LloreanGiven all your other troubles.
06:54:01LloreanBut it's also possible 1.08 is less working than expected at the moment.
06:55:11Frog29Can i try to run the isntall of rockbox from 1.08 but not the bootloader to update?
06:55:37Frog29aka is the firmware updated for 3.1?
06:55:56Frog29i mean bootloader not firmware
06:57:53LloreanI don't know if there's a new bootloader, but I don't think there is.
06:59:08Frog29uea... maybe it is a finicky cable - i just isntalled rockbox 3.1 from 1.08 - no errors
06:59:26Frog29although it may very well just be software - also note i was not trying to update the bootloader
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07:00:35Frog29thanks for your help
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07:52:03_rossy_i just got an iriver E100 for christmas
07:52:35_rossy_i was wondering how far rockbox has got with it
07:52:50_rossy_afaik the firmware is still encrypted
07:58:07saratoga_rossy_: I don't think anyone started on a rockbox port to that target
07:59:58_rossy_yeah, theres only a info page on the wiki
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08:15:35J-23 - quality of these images is terrible ;/
08:16:46_rossy_ive been trying to decrypt the firmware image
08:17:19_rossy_ifp_decode, mi4code and irde don't work
08:19:25saratogami4code won't work since its not a PP device
08:20:10saratogayou'll probably need to write some new tool for whatever CPU it uses
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08:21:45_rossy_i think it uses a standard iriver .HEX format firmware, just with a different encryption key
08:22:42J-23write a BOINC software for bruteforcing it ;p
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08:24:32JdGordonwe know what SoC it is.. but dont have datasheets for it
08:25:05JdGordonand the first 15 bytes of the .hex is 001122334455...ff (or something like that) but the rest is encrypted
08:25:12JdGordonthats as far as we got with the e100
08:25:30_rossy_is there any plans for continuing work on it?
08:25:30*JdGordon wouldnt mind rockbox on it.. good replacement for the sansa e200
08:25:50JdGordonwell, untill either the .hex is decrypted, or we find the datasheet there isnt much that can be done
08:26:23saratogaforums says its a mips chip
08:26:36_rossy_that's what i heard
08:27:13_rossy_i like the E100 a lot actually
08:27:33_rossy_nice big screen, built in line-in jack etc...
08:28:07_rossy_that too :)
08:28:13_rossy_its just that the default firmware is not so great
08:29:27_rossy_no, it doesnt have that
08:29:34_rossy_although that would be awesome
08:29:58J-23if there's OTG USB controller in it...
08:30:27saratogaeverything has an OTG controller
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08:31:22J-23so should it be possible to attach e.g. another player to a player?
08:31:58_rossy_hmm, probably not on the E100, but i know the gigabeat can do that
08:32:03saratogashould be, though you'd probably need to make a special cable for it
08:32:41J-23and Rockbox drivers ;)
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09:21:49*amiconn wonders why the accessory patch isn't enabled for the minis
09:28:09JdGordondo we know the serial lines?
09:33:08amiconnHmm? The PP502x ipods are all the same regarding that
09:34:06JdGordonprobably didnt have anyone testing with it then?
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10:52:45casainhohello :-) Merry Christmas to everyone!!! :-)
10:53:37casainhoI have one question: can someone please look at this build warnings and tell me what they means?
10:54:03casainhoI am trying to build the bootloader for a new port...
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15:50:13wpyhI've enabled logf and DEBUG with the configure script, then built a simulator. I can see the logf and logfdump entries under System->Debug, but they don't seem to do/contain any information. How do I actually enable logging?
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16:11:02kugelwpyh: do you have #included logf.h?
16:11:37kugelbut actually, you don't really need logf for simullators (I don't know if it actually works), since debugf is just fine
16:12:05wpyhhm... I have logf.h all over make.def in the build dir
16:12:23wpyhI didn't write my own plugin, just trying to debug the database/tagcache for FS #9093
16:12:54wpyhI'll try debugf
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16:20:51kugelwpyh: you don't need to define that in the make file
16:21:04kugeljust in the file you want to logf, followed by the #include
16:21:10kugeland then enable a logf build
16:23:09wpyhok, I did that, but nothing appears in System->Debug->logf . I was able to debug by commenting out #include <logf.h> and adding "#define logf debugf" though
16:23:18wpyhmy method is primitive :p
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16:31:30n1swpyh: you need to #define LOGF_ENABLE in every file you want to enable logf _before_ including logf.h
16:32:42wpyhthe problem with FS #9093 is that when no media files are found, tc_stat.ready is false. now, I would like to ask the developers: what is the expected behaviour? my guess is that the database initialization should complete as normal and a tagcache file created as normal. is my guess correct?
16:32:51wpyhn1s: I didn't try that... will try :)
16:43:32wpyhI've been able to use n1s' method to get logf() working
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17:23:03kugelwpyh: you're not the first one :)
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17:27:46wpyhah... :)
17:31:50Lssi left my 60% charged ipod connected to the usb for 2 days and to my horror the battery was drained when i wanted to use it......
17:32:08Lssanyone have an idea what actually happens?
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17:35:03wpyhwas it running rockbox?
17:36:35Lssits a 5.5g ipod
17:36:54Lssso it kicked into apple firmware when i first connected it
17:37:15Lssleft it alone for 2 days and when unplugged it it showed 8% battery
17:37:41Lssonly managed to get around 35mins of playback before it shutdown
17:38:00wpyhthat's weird −− maybe a bad cable? but I don't think it's related to rockbox because it's not in rockbox when connected to usb
17:38:04Lsswhen i reconnected it again, it showed extremely low battery
17:38:14Lssi was thinking it might be an ipod thingy?
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17:38:52Lssanyway im testing playback battery life on flac
17:39:01Lssi dont see it in the list of runtime
17:39:23wpyhIpodRuntime page?
17:40:51Lssstock 80gig ipod playing flac files
17:42:54StuartLathropI have an FM preset file I would like to contribute; have registered & activated, but need write permission (per the wiki). Thanks in advance, but no hurry.
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17:51:25pixelmaStuartLathrop is also your wiki name I guess?
17:54:59pixelmaStuartLathrop: you should be able to edit the wiki now, no spam now! :)
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18:00:41amiconnHmm, it seems we might be doing something wrong either to the pcf or some other chip in the mini g2
18:02:00amiconnMy mini g2 didn't charge at all anymore, regardless of how I tried (loader, diskmode). Then I left it alone for ~2 weeks, which drained the battery completely (RTC time was lost)
18:02:09amiconnNow it charges normally again
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18:29:24lnf3ctdoes replaygain work on .cue files?
18:31:17wpyhon my ipod video 5.5g, if I plug in the USB cable while the player is powered off, then it will boot into RB, then reboot into the OF
18:31:26wpyhis there a way to make it boot straight into the OF?
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18:33:19Lssthe hold toggle?
18:33:34wpyhnah, without that
18:33:46wpyhjust by plugging in the USB cable while it's powered off
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18:37:37wpyhI see that some targets have this nice feature (in bootloader/main-pp.c)...
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18:48:13linuxstblnf3ct: If you mean individual track gain stored in the .cue, then no. But if there's a replaygain value stored in the accompanying audio file, then Rockbox will use that.
18:48:34lnf3ctlinuxstb, right. it's as i thought. thanks :)
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19:02:21IndomitableI was wondering if I could get some help regarding my "broken" ipod video 80gb with rockbox.
19:02:57IndomitableIt dropped on the sidewalk two weeks ago and the lcd screen cracked while the hard drive itself with rockbox on it was still working. I sent it to to get the screen fixed but before I did that I tried to uninstall rockbox but didn't do the best actual process of uninstalling it and merely deleted 'rockbox.ipod' from the ipod video itself
19:03:19Indomitablethe technician who replaced the screen said he was not able to get past the rockbox firmware which I didn't understand what he meant exactly over the phone but said I could send it back if it wasnt working.
19:03:44IndomitableI got it back yesterday but it would not charge and kept giving me the low battery screen when I used my computer usb port
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19:04:27Indomitablewhen I used my wallcharger it started up and I got a black rockbox screen that said could not find rockbox.ipod hold menu+select to restart then play+select for boot disk mode
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19:04:56IndomitableI did that and left it charging with the wallcharger but whenever I unplug it from the wallcharger it turns off
19:05:04Indomitableand won't power back on
19:05:53IndomitableI tried all of the various low battery ipod methods but I have gotten no luck and was wondering I needed to have the ipod sent back
19:06:46Indomitablewhen the ipod is pluged into the wallcharger and the apple firmware is loaded it says it is charging but even after hours of "charging" as soon as it is removed from the wallcharger it wont power back on
19:07:12Febs_It sounds like your battery is either defective or has reached the end of its usable lifespan.
19:08:40Febs_The "can't find rockbox.ipod" message is a separate issue. You either do not have a Rockbox build installed or you didn't properly unzip the build to the root of your ipod.
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19:09:22Indomitablebefore I sent the ipod to get it's lcd screen fixed at
19:09:34IndomitableI did not uninstall rockbox correctly but merely deleted rockbox.ipod
19:09:55Indomitablethinking it would help whoever was fixing the ipod and only apple firmware would load
19:10:52IndomitableI said that about a mintue before you joined Febs_
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19:15:21FebsSo what do you want to do? Uninstall Rockbox so that the technician can service the iPod?
19:16:42Indomitablethe technician has done that it was a broken lcd screen but everything else worked fine and I got the ipod back yesterday and have been having the charging issue.
19:17:16FebsDid you have the issue before?
19:18:02IndomitableI just wasn't sure if it was a problem with the fact that rockbox wasn't uninstalled properly
19:18:13Indomitableor if I simply need to send the ipod back to them
19:18:15FebsIt sounds to me like you have two completely separate issues.
19:18:51Indomitablewell the main issue is about the ipod not charging after it's lcd screen broken and was replaced by a technician
19:19:27FebsYou can fix the rockbox.ipod problem by installing a new Rockbox build. Just download this file and unzip it to the root of the ipod:
19:19:41Indomitablethe issue of rockbox.ipod not found I would assume if the ipod was charging I could simply boot the ipod in disk mode and factory restore it
19:20:10IndomitableI can not sadly as the laptop will not recognize the ipod
19:20:55FebsThe charging issue is probably 1 of 3 things: (1) you broke something in the charging circuit when you dropped the ipod; (2) the technician broke something while fixing it; or (3) the battery happened to die at exactly the time you had it serviced.
19:20:56Indomitablethe ipod will only charge with the wall charger and even after having it charge for hours as soon as it is taken off the wall charger it powers off and won't turn back on
19:21:52FebsIt's also possible that the battery and charging circuit are both fine but the battery just isn't properly connected.
19:22:12IndomitableI see
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19:23:45Lss3.1? didnt even notice it great now to see the changes
19:24:04FebsYou could open up the ipod to check the connection. There are plenty of battery replacement guides that show you how to do that, which you can find through Google.
19:24:39IndomitableOk so I would simply be checking if the connection is secure
19:25:27IndomitableIf I have the same problem after checking should I assume I should send the ipod back and tell technician the proper way to load the apple firmware
19:26:55Lssis there any technical advantage of using backlight fading?
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19:28:42GreggyHello, rather than rephrase my question here... I thought I'd just provide a link to the thread regarding the question I have for you all:
19:29:11FebsIndomitable: it's up to you, of course, but that's what I would probably do. Since we've gotten off topic of anything that is really Rockbox related, if you have further questions, join #rockbox-community and raise them there.
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19:30:26Indomitablealright thanks
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20:06:14gregoroviusHi. I'm using rockbox on a 5g ipod. not strictly a rockbox question, but i'm using linux, and when I plug it in it gets mounted, I think, as utf8, so accented characters show up funny. how can I configure it so it gets mounted correctly? what charset should it be?
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20:08:26Jaykay is a dupicate to, the "discussion" is in 9695, so the first can be closed
20:12:44LloreanJaykay: Please don't use sarcasm when commenting on tasks. It makes everything easier all around if you just stick to comments that are clear and actually meaningful/functional.
20:13:02LloreanRemember that a lot of people discussing tasks don't have English as a native language and may miss sarcasm entirely.
20:14:27Jaykayok.... although i think the patch is quite useless..... but ill try :)
20:15:16LloreanIf you think the patch is useless, say "I don't see a need for this patch" or similar.
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20:25:55Buschelmerry christmas!
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21:32:17Buschelhi folks, i am running r19589 now and experience some strange behaviour when battery benching. my 5.5G ipod shuts off after ~1h 15min. is this a known issue? next test is playback without a running battery bench plugin.
21:32:35Buscheli am asking becasue i saw several changes in the powermanagement
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21:36:08JaykayBuschel: what says the battery_bench.txt as reason why the bench ended?
21:36:19Buschelreason: power off
21:36:49Jaykayhow much % is left?
21:37:02Buscheldepends: 88-92%
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22:07:31gregoroviusI can't find a way to make my linux box mount my ipod under a correct charset, so accented characters look garbled on rockbox
22:07:47gregoroviusanybody has any hints on this?
22:08:00gregoroviustried messing around with HAL's preferences.fdi, but it doesn't seem to be working
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22:16:13kugelUnhelpful: ping
22:18:36gregoroviusanybody, please? i've been fiddling with this all day
22:18:59gregoroviusif I plug in my ipod to a windows computers, accented characters are garbled as well...
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22:21:08kugelgregorovius: what font are you using in rockbox?
22:21:29kugeli.e. did you make sure the fonts support the chars you're trying to display?
22:21:58gregoroviusit's not the fonts, if I plug it into a windows computer it also displays accented characters wrong
22:22:24gregoroviuskugel: I don't know it if's iocharset, codepage, whatnot
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22:23:26kugelgregorovius: just try unifont and see if it helps
22:24:01kugelwindows uses extended ascii, and not unicode so that might be the problem in windows
22:25:17gregoroviuskugel: unifont? I don't have any font named like that. I think fat and unicode are not meant to go together
22:26:04kugelunifont is in the font package available under extras on the front page
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22:27:26gregoroviusah, ok. no, it doesn't help at all
22:28:07kugelgregorovius: and if you name them correct in windows they show up properly on rockbox too (but not on linux?)
22:28:28gregoroviuskugel: they show correctly on rockbox, haven't tried on linux
22:28:39kugelso where do they show up wrong?
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22:29:09gregoroviusif I copy music from my linux box (using utf8) to my ipod, the filenames display wrong both on rockbox and on windows
22:29:11kugelyou said "I can't find a way to make my linux box mount my ipod[...]" so you have tried linux
22:29:44kugeldo you mount manually or how do you make sure it's utf8?
22:29:45gregoroviusif I copy music from windows (which I don't do, normally) it displays ok on rockbox, I don't know nor care on linux, all I want is for my linux box to correctly mount my ipod
22:30:17gregoroviushal takes care of it, I'm guessing it's utf8, but I don't know honestly, I don't know much about this
22:31:46kugelwhat linux are you using?=
22:32:05gregoroviusarch linux
22:32:12*kugel isn't sure if that's really on topic :/
22:32:55kugelgregorovius: hm, I have no idea how that's configurable in arch linux, but I know you can pass a codepage with -o to the mount program
22:33:05kugel"man mount" may help you
22:33:28gregoroviuskugel: is it a codepage matter? or iocharset? my main problem is that I don't know what the problem is
22:33:41kugelno idea
22:33:51kugelwhat country are you?
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22:34:26kugelit's likely a codepage issue if unifont cannot display the filenames properly
22:35:13gregoroviusdo you know what's the default windows codepage?
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22:35:47kugelextended ascii, i.e. the first 128 chars are standard ascii, the other 128 are region dependent
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22:37:06kugelfor unicode the first 256 chars are the same as in iso-8859-1 afaik
22:37:39kugelmaybe windows uses a homebrewed codepage, but I don't think so as rockbox detects it properly (and rockbox default codepage is utf8)
22:39:26kugelgregorovius: you should probably look how you can configure automount or devices in archlinux or set a default codepage, that's all I can tell (i think linux is wrong in this case)
22:39:55kugeleven though I've also seen weird codepage issues between windows and linux, but I didn't care to fix them enough
22:40:49gregoroviuskugel: using 'iocharset=utf8' as a mount option did it
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22:59:14gevaertsLlorean: I think things like video support on the same level as audio (i.e. playlists integration, multiple codec support,...), or network support (streaming audio,...) would be major-version bumpers.
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23:10:49gregoroviuswhat do you recommend for bidirectional sync between an ipod and my computer? rsync? unison?
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