| 00:02:53 | bertrik_ | it still works on my clip too :P |
| 00:05:18 | n1s | jhMikeS: btw, fixed the volume difference on the beast, apparently i had set the input to a ~30dB gain, oops :) |
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| 00:09:14 | jhMikeS | n1s: I did think of a way to use the automatic scanning but the screen needs to be aware of a chip that can do that. |
| 00:10:24 | n1s | yes it would need some kind of extension to the radio screen, i was thinking of telling the chip to scan and update the screen when the seek complete interrupt occurs |
| 00:10:41 | n1s | not sure how hard that would be to integrate |
| 00:11:26 | amiconn | Several radio chips can do auto scan (TEA5767 can do that too), but way back in time when that chip was added we decided against using it |
| 00:11:28 | jhMikeS | There's also the matter of the RDS which I think I was watching in the debug screen even though it's not supposed to have it. |
| 00:12:10 | n1s | jhMikeS: i read back the chip version as 4701 which has RDS... |
| 00:12:17 | amiconn | I don't remember whether [IDC]Dragon tried it and found that "manual" scanning worked better, or whether it was just a KISS decision |
| 00:12:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: There's scanning parameters that can be set that can't be checked manually on this one. |
| 00:13:42 | jhMikeS | n1s: The 4700/01 datasheet just showed all the RDS-related info as absent. The 4702/03 does show it. Where did you see that? |
| 00:14:31 | n1s | the "AN230" doc has section 2.9 called "2.9. RDS/RBDS (Si4701 only)" |
| 00:15:33 | jhMikeS | weird. firmware revision related perhaps? |
| 00:16:16 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Maybe it was monitoring related (using the automatic scan not allowing monitoring); the irc logs should know |
| 00:17:27 | jhMikeS | amiconn: si4700 does allow monitoring the scan iirc but not reading the S/N ratio and IF counter values. |
| 00:19:10 | amiconn | Why should we use the automatic scan? Is there any advantage over doing it manually? |
| 00:19:58 | jhMikeS | yes, I was just mentioning why or else I would rather stick with setting a station and testing. |
| 00:21:11 | n1s | the 4700/1 datasheet also mentions that the 4701 has RDS but says nothing about how tu use it |
| 00:21:40 | jhMikeS | The scan uses parameters to distinguish real stations from false ones that can't be read back by the driver and tested. The can be set for the scanner to use though. |
| 00:22:40 | amiconn | Odd chip... |
| 00:24:01 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: did you check the AN284 for the seek function |
| 00:24:18 | jhMikeS | I suppose I'll try it out if noone else gets to it first and see if it's really better than using the level and AFC rail readout. |
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| 00:26:46 | jhMikeS | n1s: You have to get the RDS standard doc. I was trying to get it a couple days ago but my inet wasn't cooperating. |
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| 00:27:28 | n1s | jhMikeS: ok, will seach for it |
| 00:28:54 | jhMikeS | I'm having trouble. See if it work for you: ftp://ftp.rds.org.uk/pub/acrobat/rbds1998.pdf |
| 00:29:50 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: no problem to get it |
| 00:30:28 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: you want it ? |
| 00:32:01 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: check your email |
| 00:32:15 | n1s | got it, thanks |
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| 00:35:44 | jhMikeS | toffe82: please. it won't come through here. |
| 00:36:03 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: check your email |
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| 00:36:33 | jhMikeS | In fact, trying to get it seems to mess up my connection for all http on this computer. |
| 00:40:10 | jhMikeS | toffe82: got it. thanks. |
| 00:40:56 | n1s | wow, this is a lot more complex than i thought, will need a serious read-through but not tonight :) |
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| 00:42:08 | n1s | also it seems interrupts are needed for RDS to work |
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| 00:45:04 | * | jhMikeS just want to have FM recording and do it up quickly before going into that stuff. :) |
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| 00:53:58 | n1s | now, if there were only some radio stations worth listening to here :) |
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| 01:52:27 | Stonekeeper | hi there. kinda dumb q: how can i find my videos on rockbox? I'm using the latest version that comes with the installer |
| 01:52:48 | BigBambi | What target? |
| 01:52:58 | JdGordon | rockbox only supports mpeg2.. so if they arnt in the file browser they arent supported |
| 01:52:59 | kugel | JdGordon: hey, wanna have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9603 again? |
| 01:53:01 | BigBambi | Videos for Rockbox need to be MPEG1/2 and presized |
| 01:53:16 | BigBambi | Stonekeeper: See www.rockbox.org/PluginMpegplayer |
| 01:53:27 | Stonekeeper | ok thanks |
| 01:53:27 | BigBambi | er, www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
| 01:53:40 | kugel | could need some testing, particulary on a target with remote |
| 01:53:46 | JdGordon | kugel: im going on holidays for a week... so not now :) |
| 01:53:48 | Stonekeeper | gutted as floola converts to mp4 i think :/ bummer. i thought i'd found the perfect combo |
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| 01:54:29 | BigBambi | Stonekeeper: The page I linked lists alternatives - I recommend winff |
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| 01:55:10 | Stonekeeper | i guess mp4 isn't even on the horizon? |
| 01:55:44 | advcomp2019 | Stonekeeper, i will recommend winff too |
| 01:56:14 | BigBambi | Stonekeeper: Not unless someone codes it, but no, I haven't heard anyhting |
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| 02:00:00 | kugel | pondlife: (for the logs) maybe you wanna have a look at FS #9603 again? |
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| 02:19:37 | MarcEE | hey, is it just my connection or is the download.rockbox.org site down? |
| 02:21:24 | scorche|sh | download.rockbox.org is served by multiple servers...it is possible that one of the mirrors is having issues...try flushing your DNS cache |
| 02:23:19 | MarcEE | ok will give that a go, cheers |
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| 02:24:23 | MarcEE | scorche|sh you legend, it worked a treat |
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| 03:19:19 | Unhelpful | it seems that pictureflow lacks any working controls on m3, at least on sim. i've only been poking around in the graphical parts, anybody have thoughts on what to do with it? |
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| 03:27:58 | JdGordon | Unhelpful: yeah, add the buttons :) |
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| 03:34:07 | Willwolfe | Will the rockbox compiled under cygwin for sandisk clip run on the v1 clip at present with the mkamsboot patched firmware bin file? (Understanding it is still unsupported at this time). |
| 03:38:42 | ameyer | Willwolfe: it should, until it crashes. There's really no point to running rockbox on the clip righ now |
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| 03:47:15 | Willwolfe | Thanks, I figured rather than sitting idly by I might as well try some of the tools so I can possibly test in the future. The compiled simulator worked quite well but is hardly the real thing. At least I can use the tools to apply patches of interest for my Gigabeat F now that I have the a very basic working knowledge of them. The recent releases work perfect as they are so this need will be unlikely. I prefer |
| 03:49:09 | Willwolfe | the Gigabeat to my wifes ipod video any day. My daughter can't wait to have rockbox on her clip. On this note. After a crash can you reboot into the original firmware with dual boot? |
| 03:49:33 | ameyer | yeah. Hold the |
| 03:49:38 | ameyer | erm |
| 03:49:44 | ameyer | yeah. Hold the "home b |
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| 03:50:04 | ameyer | err.. "home" button |
| 03:50:10 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: i thought the whole point of PLA was not needing to "add" buttons per target? |
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| 03:50:27 | ameyer | (while booting) |
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| 03:52:50 | Willwolfe | And if I understand correctly the patched firmware file will load when added to the root directory without the need of a sansapatcher or other tool?... |
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| 04:04:03 | ameyer | Willwolfe: yes |
| 04:04:21 | Willwolfe | ameyer: OK. Thanks a bunch. I'll let you get on with the real work. |
| 04:04:55 | ameyer | not like I'm doing any real work |
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| 04:09:15 | bluefoxx | on the e200, when you stuff a microsd card into it, how do i view the files on it? |
| 04:10:19 | Unhelpful | files/<microSD1> |
| 04:10:25 | Unhelpful | or use the DB. |
| 04:11:24 | * | _Auron_ crosses his fingers for v2 |
| 04:11:47 | bluefoxx | i don't see a folder by that name...is this only on the newer revisions or do i have to make the folder? |
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| 04:12:12 | bluefoxx | or should the card be in fat format instead of fat32? |
| 04:12:38 | Unhelpful | bluefoxx: if you mean newer revisions of rockbox, i only know what the current revision does on my e200 |
| 04:13:50 | bluefoxx | ah... |
| 04:15:00 | Unhelpful | what are you using? |
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| 04:17:18 | bluefoxx | kugels build from back in about march or so |
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| 04:19:12 | Unhelpful | custom builds are unsupported, and that's pretty old, as well. |
| 04:19:44 | bluefoxx | yea, i know... |
| 04:19:51 | bluefoxx | theres some plugins i'm reluctant to let go of |
| 04:20:04 | bluefoxx | and i'm too lazy to recode the customised wps file |
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| 04:21:14 | bluefoxx | oh i got it...had to plug it in while rockbox was running |
| 04:21:59 | Unhelpful | i have no idea how it would work if not plugged in? |
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| 04:29:15 | bluefoxx | well it was plugged in before |
| 04:29:42 | bluefoxx | when i first plugged it in, and booted it up |
| 04:31:29 | Unhelpful | mine certainly seems to work fine if it's already there on startup |
| 04:32:39 | bluefoxx | keep in mind this is the first time i used a microsd card in this thing |
| 04:33:11 | bluefoxx | so i assumed i could just stick it in with the unit off and boot into rockbox and see it |
| 04:37:12 | Unhelpful | you should be able to. i would expect if anything that that would work better than hotplugging it. |
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| 05:45:46 | saratoga | dex: you can try here |
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| 05:46:57 | keanu | whoops |
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| 08:23:08 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Many plugins lack proper control in the M3 sim. This is because the remote buttons are the main controls for plugins on M3. |
| 08:23:57 | amiconn | PLA seemed to be a good idea originally, but turned out to be worse than per-target button definitions. However, the latter aren't ideal either because button combos or more than one button for the same function lead to ifdef hell in the actual button loop. |
| 08:25:28 | amiconn | The new idea is to use the button action code, but let each plugin have its own custom button context(s). Thed only exception would be very regular plugins which can use a standard PLA context without needing any exception. |
| 08:25:49 | amiconn | This idea isn't implemented yet. Doing that isn't difficult, but tedious. |
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| 11:04:57 | n1s | wow, the manuals have been broken since Dec 21 and no one noticed... |
| 11:06:33 | pixelma | thought I looked once before the release and it was ok, but don't remember when exactly |
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| 11:07:37 | pixelma | ah, and tried only some |
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| 11:13:47 | n1s | ah, just a missing \begin{changelog} in the changelog |
| 11:14:29 | pixelma | are the 3.1 manuals broken too then? |
| 11:14:40 | n1s | no, just trunk |
| 11:14:58 | n1s | copy and paste merge error or something like it |
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| 11:40:28 | n1s | looking through the (many) resynced versions (done by different people) it seems it got moved by accident at one point with no mention why so I think it should go back to settings_apply(), any thoughts? |
| 11:40:55 | n1s | I also wonder why the tracker serves some patches as binaries? |
| 11:41:09 | n1s | MIME type i guess |
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| 12:48:07 | linuxstb | n1s: I think flyspray stores the mime type sent when the patch was uploaded, which is why different patches have different types |
| 12:50:28 | n1s | linuxstb: aha, i would hope that the mime type could be forced for .patch and .diff then |
| 12:54:23 | kugel | n1s: I've also had .zip files which firefox opened as a text file |
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| 13:01:45 | linuxstb | n1s: Maybe newer versions of flyspray have that option - but I don't think it did a year or two ago when Zagor explained it |
| 13:03:08 | n1s | it seems it has that option, http://flyspray.org/manual:attachments |
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| 14:28:38 | roochieroochamos | Hello |
| 14:28:47 | roochieroochamos | 3.1 is released.. May I ask what has changed? |
| 14:29:18 | bluebrother | roochieroochamos: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 14:29:24 | bluebrother | linked on the front page ... |
| 14:30:18 | roochieroochamos | Cool. Backlight fading |
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| 14:33:59 | kugel | Llorean: ping |
| 14:34:42 | roochieroochamos | bluebrother: will MicroSD-hc 16GB cards work in sansa c200v1 ? |
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| 14:34:55 | roochieroochamos | I know not in the original firmware |
| 14:35:08 | bluebrother | yes. SDHC is supported, and there is no difference between the sizes as long as it's SDHC |
| 14:35:30 | bluebrother | you need to use a card reader to put the data on it though, as Rockbox does not have its own usb mode yet |
| 14:36:17 | roochieroochamos | ok.. quick question, which isn't answered on web page |
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| 14:36:33 | roochieroochamos | when I boot original firmware to recharge.. will it attempt to touch my 16GB microsdhc ? |
| 14:36:42 | roochieroochamos | or will I have to eject it. |
| 14:37:14 | bluebrother | it can't access it −− the addressing is different between SD and SDHC. |
| 14:37:28 | roochieroochamos | ok.. we'll see I guess! |
| 14:37:28 | bluebrother | while I haven't tried this myself I'm rather sure it simply won't detect the card. |
| 14:37:36 | roochieroochamos | ok good |
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| 14:42:43 | Unhelpful | amiconn: thanks for the summary. pf's needs seem pretty simple - you scroll horizontally through covers, or vertically through tracks, and a select button toggles between those contexts. another button activates the menu, and if there are enough, it can have a dedicated quit button - but that's in the menu, too. |
| 14:43:27 | Unhelpful | i suppose it will need a "back" button to exit tracklists if we ever want it to be useful, and have something happen when you select a track |
| 14:44:03 | pixelma | meh, PLA in pf reminds me of the problem in the c200 controls there, I just didn't care about pf yet... :\ |
| 14:44:19 | pixelma | +enough |
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| 14:47:48 | pixelma | Unhelpful: PLA is probably already set up for the M3 but only for remote buttons - the problem in the sim is that it doesn't simulate remote buttons. You have the same problems with all the other plugins that definitely define M3 buttons |
| 14:47:54 | kugel | Unhelpful: is it me, or is pf a lot slower due to your reflection commit? |
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| 14:49:20 | Unhelpful | kugel: i'd suspect more likely due to not transposing covers any more. it seems pretty snappy still, on my e200, but i can try some things to get the speed back up, if it seems slow. |
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| 14:51:15 | kugel | Unhelpful: well, let's see how a 5g user reports |
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| 14:51:27 | kugel | it should most noticeable on that one |
| 14:51:31 | roochieroochamos | bluebrother: I installed the fonts package for 3.1 using rbutil 1.0.8 |
| 14:51:47 | roochieroochamos | but I can only select from 3 fonts in settings->theme settings->fonts |
| 14:52:11 | roochieroochamos | i'll check .rockbox |
| 14:52:13 | roochieroochamos | directory |
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| 14:52:29 | Unhelpful | i'd love to be able to evaluate the impact on speed using the fps meter, but it seems to bounce around rather randomly, and drop whenever i stop scrolling, etc. |
| 14:52:31 | nomanual | the online manuals are blank, my question is, what should srereo width be set to for zero bias ?, 0% or 100% |
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| 14:52:57 | nomanual | srereo=stereo |
| 14:53:03 | bluebrother | nomanual: blank as in they don't include any information about it? |
| 14:53:06 | kugel | Unhelpful: another question, have you messured how much ram pf needs? I'd be interested in getting it to work with audio playback. now that the pfraws are smaller, a lot more should fit into the plugin buffer |
| 14:53:41 | nomanual | online manuals dont show anything, blank |
| 14:53:50 | kugel | yea, the fps meter doesn't seem to get above 30fps either, so using that is rather useless |
| 14:54:03 | kugel | but I managed to get below 30fps |
| 14:54:17 | pixelma | bluebrother: SVN manuals had been broken since 21st (see n1s' commit today) |
| 14:54:20 | bluebrother | ah right, there was a build fix for the manuals as of today morning |
| 14:54:37 | Unhelpful | i haven't measured, no, but killing bufalloc for the pfraw cache would be nice to do |
| 14:54:45 | bluebrother | nomanual: you can select the default value by holding select in a list (not sure if it's the same button for all targets) |
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| 14:54:54 | roochieroochamos | bluebrother: in .rockbox/fonts I see all the fonts |
| 14:54:56 | bluebrother | IIRC 100% is the default for stereo width |
| 14:55:04 | bertrik | Quite a few codecs still have functions that could be made static. Would about someone (me) making them static, or wouldn't it make enough difference to work on it? |
| 14:55:14 | roochieroochamos | but in settings I can only see 3.. probably the 3 that come with the default isntall |
| 14:55:15 | nomanual | thanks |
| 14:55:20 | bertrik | Would->How |
| 14:55:28 | pixelma | nomanual: and |
| 14:55:39 | bluebrother | roochieroochamos: hmm. If you browse that folder from Rockbox folder view (set File Types to All), can you see the fonts? |
| 14:55:45 | kugel | Unhelpful: so the pfraws are now actually real .bmps? |
| 14:56:02 | roochieroochamos | bluebrother: I'll try. 1sec |
| 14:56:18 | Unhelpful | no, they're prescaled, and, in the case of greylib, not native. |
| 14:56:37 | kugel | most cover.bmps are 24bit I suppose, so saving them in the native format (e.g. 16bit) might save additional place |
| 14:56:55 | kugel | except for greylib ofc |
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| 14:57:08 | roochieroochamos | bluebrother: nope, only 3 show up.... |
| 14:57:23 | roochieroochamos | bluebrother: should I reformat again in the OF |
| 14:57:26 | roochieroochamos | and then attempt to reinstall ? |
| 14:57:46 | roochieroochamos | I get corruption on the built in flash all the time |
| 14:57:49 | bluebrother | that's strange. I'd try to fsck / chkdsk /f the drive first. Perhaps something is fishy with your file system |
| 14:57:52 | roochieroochamos | that's why Id ont use it for music storage |
| 14:57:56 | roochieroochamos | yeah |
| 14:58:24 | roochieroochamos | probably the same reason sansas were always getting returned |
| 14:58:38 | roochieroochamos | neways.. it's only 1GB.. I'm gonna get a 16GB today |
| 14:58:41 | roochieroochamos | microsd |
| 14:58:42 | kugel | Unhelpful: ah, they are already native, ok |
| 14:58:59 | pixelma | roochieroochamos: the 3 are probably the ones that come with the shipped themes. There have been some problems with the font zips the last weeks, not sure if that's really solved. You could try installing them manually, download from the extras page |
| 14:59:11 | bluebrother | maybe. Have to change location right now, back in a bit |
| 14:59:21 | roochieroochamos | pixelma: that's what I do |
| 14:59:28 | roochieroochamos | I go to extras tab, click install fonts |
| 14:59:36 | Unhelpful | kugel: yes, i think that alone might be worth keeping the cache for, to bypass format conversion |
| 14:59:42 | roochieroochamos | I'm gonna fsck this thing tho |
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| 15:00:08 | Unhelpful | also, if the cached pfraw is smaller than the orig. bitmap, it loads from disk faster |
| 15:00:48 | pixelma | roochieroochamos: no, I meant downloading them manually from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras and unzipping to the root of your player (though trying to download them myself, the connection times out) |
| 15:00:59 | Unhelpful | it might be a good idea to keep the disk spun in pf, if possible. on the other hand, it already murders battery by forcing boost and backlight on until you quit it. |
| 15:01:33 | kugel | Unhelpful: so, in the plugin buffer there's at least space for 21 pfraws on my e200. I suppose it's very doable to have it working with audio playback (maybe reduced but still) |
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| 15:02:24 | roochieroochamos | looks like I got major corruption |
| 15:02:25 | roochieroochamos | fux0r |
| 15:02:33 | roochieroochamos | gotta reformat |
| 15:02:39 | roochieroochamos | this flash is crappy |
| 15:02:47 | roochieroochamos | I should sue sansa for my money back |
| 15:03:04 | kugel | sandisk you mean |
| 15:03:18 | roochieroochamos | yeah |
| 15:05:03 | kugel | Unhelpful: I think it's considerable to stop playback, get some audiobuffer and then start playback again within pf (to get a bigger buffer), isn't it? |
| 15:05:07 | bluebrother | I'd try to use the sansa.fmt method or use a flash formatter −− usual mkfs tools aren't suited well for flash disks |
| 15:05:31 | roochieroochamos | I use the built in sansa formatter |
| 15:05:33 | roochieroochamos | in the OF.. |
| 15:05:35 | roochieroochamos | is that what you mean? |
| 15:05:46 | roochieroochamos | I have tried the mkdosfs -c 32 before |
| 15:05:48 | Unhelpful | kugel: the last fix allows "tall" covers to reach as far as the screen top, to allow them to reach the same width as others. also, pfraws can be quite large if resize is turned off. |
| 15:06:23 | Unhelpful | the max scaled size is (LCD_HEIGHT / 2) * (LCD_HEIGHT * 3 / 2), i believe |
| 15:07:32 | roochieroochamos | fsck.vfat -a /dev/sdc1 |
| 15:07:39 | roochieroochamos | Not automatically fixing this. |
| 15:07:39 | roochieroochamos | Invalid disk format in boot sector. |
| 15:07:44 | roochieroochamos | that's after a format |
| 15:08:00 | pixelma | Unhelpful: how big are the covers on the c200 screen with its 132x80 then now? |
| 15:09:05 | Unhelpful | ... obviously *3/2 is wrong :/ |
| 15:09:11 | Unhelpful | 40x40 for square images |
| 15:09:34 | pixelma | I thought it was 50x50 before and it wasn't too bad |
| 15:10:00 | kugel | Unhelpful: (LCD_HEIGHT * 3 / 2) ? that's more than lcd_height |
| 15:10:09 | pixelma | though I'm not sure, need to try |
| 15:10:12 | kugel | oh, too late |
| 15:10:17 | Unhelpful | yes, i realized that, and looking at the source, it's 2/3 :) |
| 15:10:56 | Unhelpful | so 40x40 for square covers on c200, as large as 40x53 for taller covers |
| 15:11:13 | Unhelpful | the idea with the size is that the reflection will fit exactly on screen |
| 15:13:24 | roochieroochamos | ok... I am formatting mkdosfs -c -F 32 -I /dev/sdc1 |
| 15:13:45 | roochieroochamos | -c is check for bad blocks |
| 15:14:02 | kugel | Unhelpful: btw: i had problems with center margin on the first start, since it was still a negative value |
| 15:14:05 | Unhelpful | why not just use badblocks? |
| 15:14:12 | pixelma | looks like 40x40 already in my older version |
| 15:14:31 | kugel | until I reset it that is |
| 15:16:03 | Unhelpful | kugel: hrm, a check to put it in the allowed range on load would probably not be a bad idea |
| 15:16:20 | kugel | or at least a cast to unsigned |
| 15:17:04 | * | pixelma sees problems with non-ascii chars in the album tag in pf |
| 15:17:24 | roochieroochamos | If I format with "check for bad blocks" will the filesystem skip those blocks? |
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| 15:17:42 | roochieroochamos | on future writes, Imean |
| 15:18:44 | kugel | pixelma: ä/ö/ü works here |
| 15:18:59 | kugel | ' too |
| 15:19:10 | Unhelpful | pixelma: try using a different font? |
| 15:20:15 | kugel | Unhelpful: btw: I like that font fading |
| 15:20:38 | kugel | I'm right now imagine decent screen changes in the core :) |
| 15:20:46 | pixelma | font in pf? Looks like it's using system font for me (testing on M5) currently. |
| 15:20:46 | kugel | with such a fading effect |
| 15:20:51 | roochieroochamos | alright cool... my bad block checking mkfs passes fsck !!! |
| 15:21:00 | kugel | pixelma: userfont here |
| 15:21:21 | Unhelpful | same on all targets and sims i've tried |
| 15:21:54 | pixelma | "same" as what? |
| 15:23:06 | kugel | Unhelpful: re your comment "/* let the tracklist start more centered if the screen isn't filled with tracks */", I think that was already implemented before? |
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| 15:24:18 | roochieroochamos | Hey guys... the rbutil program isn't working anymore |
| 15:24:28 | roochieroochamos | Maybe the website has banned me for downloading too much? |
| 15:26:38 | roochieroochamos | what the hell... |
| 15:30:02 | pixelma | still looks like system font to me even if I set a same height user font (rockfont). I could also imagine that it is not a font problem but ID3v2.4 vs. ID3v2.3 (though the database copes with it) |
| 15:30:56 | roochieroochamos | Hey guys, is the rockbox3.1.zip down? |
| 15:31:01 | roochieroochamos | my rbutil can't download it |
| 15:31:02 | roochieroochamos | wtf |
| 15:31:35 | bluebrother | I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work anymore. Any specific error message? |
| 15:32:34 | bluebrother | decent screen changes in the core using fading? How annoying |
| 15:33:03 | roochieroochamos | no it just stalls on downloading rockbox.zip |
| 15:33:07 | roochieroochamos | i have to hit abort |
| 15:33:09 | roochieroochamos | fonts are downloading |
| 15:33:10 | pixelma | bluebrother: where? |
| 15:33:27 | kugel | pixelma: try rebooting, I think I know where the problem is |
| 15:33:36 | roochieroochamos | What the HELL.. this is pissing me off |
| 15:33:37 | bluebrother | nowhere (yet). I was referring to the comment earlier |
| 15:33:42 | roochieroochamos | bluebrother: how can I manually download htis file? |
| 15:34:11 | bluebrother | roochieroochamos: by using any download method you want to use ... browser, wget, curl, ... |
| 15:34:22 | roochieroochamos | http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.1/rockbox-sansac200-3.1.zip |
| 15:34:23 | bluebrother | you sure it isn't your network tricking you? |
| 15:34:26 | roochieroochamos | that file won't download for me at all |
| 15:34:35 | roochieroochamos | I think rockbox.com has banned me from downloading it? |
| 15:34:41 | roochieroochamos | err rockbox.org |
| 15:34:59 | bluebrother | works fine for me, except that it could be faster ;-) |
| 15:35:14 | roochieroochamos | They banned me :( |
| 15:35:16 | pixelma | kugel: rebooting when and what (pf, the M5, after setting a different font, whatever...)? |
| 15:35:24 | bluebrother | I don't know of any ban / auto-ban mechanisms installed at all |
| 15:35:31 | roochieroochamos | bluebrother: must be |
| 15:35:35 | roochieroochamos | I just downloaded the fonts fine |
| 15:35:38 | kugel | pixelma: just rebooting the player |
| 15:35:52 | bluebrother | could be a broken mirror. |
| 15:35:57 | kugel | then try pictureflow again, it show the correct font |
| 15:36:05 | roochieroochamos | bluebrother: what ip did you get? |
| 15:36:06 | kugel | +should |
| 15:36:17 | pixelma | kugel: what difference should that make, after setting the font you mean? |
| 15:36:57 | kugel | set whatever font, reboot, and enter pictureflow |
| 15:37:09 | kugel | there's a problem with the buffering thread in the debug menu |
| 15:37:14 | bluebrother | roochieroochamos: try http://videolan.rockbox.org/release/3.1/rockbox-sansac200-3.1.zip |
| 15:37:27 | bluebrother | that's picking the videolan mirror, and that works fine for me. |
| 15:38:36 | roochieroochamos | Yay I got it |
| 15:38:39 | kugel | well, not only the buffering thread view, also others |
| 15:38:48 | roochieroochamos | bluebrother: I manually links'ed up the mirror ips |
| 15:38:54 | roochieroochamos | because the url was different for one |
| 15:39:01 | roochieroochamos | and the other one was a debian mirror :P |
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| 15:40:26 | pixelma | kugel, Unhelpful: I bet it's my ID3v2.4 tags because I don't get the "unknown char" sign but the two characters that I'm used to in programs that don't understand unicode and only use the local codepage. Though - as I said - the databaase deals fine with it |
| 15:40:47 | kugel | do you still have sysfont after reboot? |
| 15:40:57 | kugel | I'm using id3v2.4 too just fine |
| 15:41:14 | bluebrot1er | roochieroochamos: you can't simply use the ip −− that one can always serve more than one domain ... |
| 15:43:24 | roochieroochamos | nooo... corruption again |
| 15:43:41 | roochieroochamos | so check for badblocks doens't fix much... |
| 15:44:25 | roochieroochamos | I am changing backup bootsector |
| 15:44:25 | roochieroochamos | maybe that will help |
| 15:45:19 | pixelma | kugel: yes, still sysfont and I'm still not 100% sure what exactly you want me to do. I did the following now: set rockfont, rebooted, started pf. But I'll try an update (use r19599 from yesterday and didn't see related changes but whatever) |
| 15:47:11 | kugel | pixelma: well, I get sysfont in pictureflow after visting some debug menus. those do lcd_setfont(SYSFONT) upon exit |
| 15:47:39 | kugel | and some screens (I suppose those who don't use viewports at all) use that sysfont then |
| 15:48:06 | kugel | a reboot fixes that |
| 15:48:17 | pixelma | I didn't visit the menu much in pf itself (and no debug menu at all) |
| 15:48:20 | amiconn | Splashes also sometimes come up using sysfont, namely after using debug items or some plugins |
| 15:49:45 | kugel | ah so it's not limited to the debug menu items |
| 15:51:12 | kugel | ah yea, cube also causes that |
| 15:51:56 | roochieroochamos | Yay I am successful |
| 15:52:05 | roochieroochamos | Fully installed rockbox and no corruption |
| 15:52:14 | roochieroochamos | + fonts + natur theme |
| 15:53:33 | roochieroochamos | Question... What is "caption backlight" |
| 15:54:22 | scorche|sh | roochieroochamos: it looks like it is about time to check out our fine manual ;) |
| 15:55:06 | pixelma | haha... now my album covers are rotate and mirrored, there's a reflection to the right and below and sometimes ports of things to the left and right show... going to "update cache" and see if that helps |
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| 15:55:40 | pixelma | and still sysfont - after the "loading" splash |
| 15:56:21 | kugel | are you sure it's sysfont? I find rockfont isn't so easily to distinguish from sysfont |
| 15:56:50 | kugel | and the weird covers are due to the center margin setting, you should set it again |
| 15:57:01 | bluebrot1er | roochieroochamos: caption backlight means the backlight goes on upon track changes |
| 15:57:43 | pixelma | kugel: yes, Rockfont as smaller glyphs (not as wide and no serifs) |
| 15:57:54 | pixelma | s/as/has |
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| 15:59:40 | kugel | well, I cannot find anything altering fonts in pictureflow source |
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| 16:03:30 | roochieroochamos | k thanks guys |
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| 16:04:16 | XaDvAnT | i already posted in the forum but was hoping i might get a more immediate answer here |
| 16:04:22 | XaDvAnT | i tried to install rockbox on an iriver h340 but it only boots the original firmware and when i plug it into my XP machine it only says "charging" |
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| 16:04:45 | XaDvAnT | tried the reset button and tried another computer but same result. any idea how to get back into disk mode? |
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| 16:09:06 | Unhelpful | it sounds like pf needs to be setting userfont? |
| 16:09:34 | Unhelpful | perhaps we should be versioning either the cache entries or the config file, as well ;) |
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| 16:25:51 | J-23 | and Intel Atom processor emulation ;) |
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| 16:30:00 | kugel | Unhelpful: no, other screens need to stop setting sysfont without resetting upon exit |
| 16:38:19 | Lss | would it be possible to reverse the newline behaviour for making wps? |
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| 17:15:52 | pixelma | ok, rebuilding the cache fixed the mirrored, rotated etc. pictures. I still see sysfont (notable: one album name has to scroll for a few pixels which doesn't need to scroll in the database folder with the set Rockfont even though it has less space because of scrollbar and icon) |
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| 17:16:42 | kugel | weird |
| 17:17:58 | Unhelpful | pixelma: my last PF commit changed "what goes in the cache" rather substantially, in that it used to transpose the axes and precalc the reflection in the cache. i think PF files should probably have a version, and be rebuilt if it doesn't match the one in PF |
| 17:19:22 | kugel | Unhelpful: what do you say to the question i had? |
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| 17:23:06 | pixelma | does scrolling in PF use it's on mechanism? (doesn't look too nice to me, though it could be related to the fact that I normally use 12-Nimbus and not Rockfont...) |
| 17:23:36 | pixelma | s/it's on/an own ...huh |
| 17:23:53 | kugel | nope |
| 17:24:02 | pixelma | or sysfont ATM |
| 17:25:36 | kugel | or? |
| 17:25:45 | kugel | it seems it does |
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| 17:34:33 | pixelma | Unhelpful: btw, greylib seems to be working quite nicely there though it feels a bit "dark" in general (I think that's because of two things - on my M5 display greylib seems to be slightly too dark in general and I'm not really used to read, or even see, white on black on the greyscale display even though I use it in a small part of my WPS already) |
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| 17:42:20 | pixelma | hmm... the non-ascii charts that don't show seem to be in ID3v2.3 tags (I think they can be in different codepages) |
| 17:42:38 | pixelma | chars too |
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| 17:45:04 | kugel | pixelma: sysfont can't display non-ascii, so it doesn't matter in which tags I suppose |
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| 17:46:47 | pixelma | sysfont is ISO8859-1, so should display umlauts - and if it was a font problem I'd get the "unknown char" , not 2 glyphs |
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| 17:48:11 | bertrik | jhMikeS, you added some indentation to the si4700 debug info, but it causes the text to not fit on the screen anymore on the sansa clip |
| 17:48:32 | kugel | pixelma: oh, sorry then, I thought it was limited to ascii |
| 17:48:51 | kugel | maybe that's only in the bootloader (i definitely remember some ascii-limitation) |
| 17:51:08 | jhMikeS | bertrik: Sorry. There was no debug info for regs before though. How far out of range is it? |
| 17:51:34 | bertrik | jhMikeS, just out of range, I'm missing slightly more than 1 character |
| 17:52:19 | bertrik | I also wonder about the proportional font currently used in this debug menu |
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| 17:54:31 | bertrik | there was a (very similar) debug menu in the ams sansa radio patch, that one read directly over i2c though |
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| 18:09:41 | jhMikeS | bertrik: It needs endian conversion or more complicated display code with that method. BTW, is one less indentation enough? |
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| 18:21:54 | bertrik | jhMikeS, I don't think so, currently I see slightly more than one character being truncated |
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| 18:22:39 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 18:23:12 | bertrik | I'm trying now |
| 18:24:48 | bertrik | one less space is not enough |
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| 18:32:18 | jhMikeS | mmmkay, how about just dumping the indentation |
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| 18:36:32 | bertrik | jhMikeS, sounds like a good idea to me |
| 18:38:40 | bertrik | thanks |
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| 18:57:12 | amiconn | kugel: Sysfont is limited to ascii in the bootloaders, and to iso8859-1 in main rockbox. When multifont support will be added, the built-in sysfont should be limited to ascii as well, as then it's really only needed for serious error messages (panic, UIE and the like, as well as fundamental installation errors where no loadable font is available) |
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| 18:57:48 | kugel | ah, thanks for clarification, it seems I was at least semi-right ;) |
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| 18:58:38 | kugel | and yea, that seems reasonable |
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| 19:22:57 | jhMikeS | 4.3V = destroyed battery or safety circuits would disconnect it |
| 19:25:35 | Unhelpful | pixelma: you said the tags display correctly for the same albums in WPS and the DB? |
| 19:26:02 | pixelma | yeps |
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| 19:28:16 | Unhelpful | id3v2.3 doesn't support codepages. text is either iso-8859-1, or ucs-2 beginning with a BOM |
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| 19:28:53 | Unhelpful | a *lot* of things do various wrong things, though, with "ascii" id3 tags, like storing utf8, codepage, or other custom encodings in them. |
| 19:29:19 | pixelma | I think those tags are ISO-8859-1 |
| 19:29:33 | amiconn | The database stores everything as utf-8 |
| 19:29:50 | amiconn | I suspect a problem in the database search call |
| 19:30:45 | Unhelpful | is a struct mp3entry always filled with utf8? |
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| 19:35:05 | linuxstb | Unhelpful: IIUC, it should be. |
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| 19:35:46 | pixelma | I just tried to reconstruct what happens with a text editor - I get the same 2 glyphs when I have the umlaut in UTF-8 and convert this to "ansi" (should be similar to ISO-8859-1 in my case) |
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| 19:56:05 | Unhelpful | kugel: i missed the question before. that comment was in the #8335 patch, which i only modified where the scaling code introduced conflicts and for the differences mentioned in the commit |
| 19:57:04 | kugel | Unhelpful: ah lol, so I made that :P |
| 19:58:04 | kugel | well, I just thought that this should be done by track_list_yh :S |
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| 20:13:26 | polluxx | anyone alive? |
| 20:13:53 | krazykit | polluxx, i would suspect everyone in the channel is alive (save for logbot). do you have a rockbox question? |
| 20:14:18 | webguest28 | could i get rockbox to run on this? :) http://cgi.ebay.com/8GB-MP3-MP4-MP5-Movie-RMVB-FM-Gift-VIDEO-3-16-9-SN-U3_W0QQitemZ250343932790QQcmdZViewItemQQptZOther_MP3_Players?hash=item250343932790&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318 |
| 20:15:07 | krazykit | webguest28, only if you ported rockbox to that device. the only supported devices are listed on the front page |
| 20:15:10 | ender` | webguest28: maybe if you port it |
| 20:15:29 | polluxx | yes, i have |
| 20:15:37 | webguest28 | hmm . . . it looks like a generic player |
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| 20:16:09 | polluxx | krazykit: do you know the m:robe 100 player? |
| 20:16:55 | Zagor | webguest28: that thing doesn't even have a model name |
| 20:16:56 | krazykit | polluxx, i don't, past what can be found in the manual or the forum. i don't even know which devs have them. |
| 20:17:18 | polluxx | ok, i see |
| 20:17:41 | polluxx | what about the themes-site? does anybody know when itll be up again? |
| 20:18:35 | polluxx | just 2b curious: what players do YOU have then, krazykit ? |
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| 20:18:59 | krazykit | polluxx, a gigabeat f (with a 120gb hard drive) and a sansa e200 v1 |
| 20:19:33 | polluxx | ok. do you know about the progress for the v2 sansas? |
| 20:20:08 | polluxx | i once had a v1 e250 but there were sound glithces e.g. when adjusting the volume... guess, theyre fixed, right!? |
| 20:21:23 | krazykit | polluxx, for themes for the m:robe, iriver h100 WPS should work, as it's the same resolution |
| 20:21:58 | krazykit | i never noticed volume-change sound issues, but there is an annoying whine when the flash is accessed, iirc. i haven't used the sansa in ages |
| 20:22:15 | krazykit | and progress for the v2 port can be found in the relevant thread in the NewPorts forum |
| 20:23:20 | polluxx | i mean.. do you know if some devs are real,ly WORKING on it ? |
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| 20:23:26 | polluxx | currently |
| 20:24:09 | krazykit | there are several that are working on it. |
| 20:24:39 | Zagor | polluxx: yes we are |
| 20:24:43 | krazykit | you can find quite a bit of discussion by just flipping through recent IRC logs |
| 20:26:35 | polluxx | good news. i wonder why you told me aboutn the h100 themes (one of the rbutil-installable themes is from me). but at this time i aint got a m:robe. does anybody know something about the player? sound qualitiy and so on? might it be agood choice? |
| 20:27:17 | krazykit | oh, i assumed the m:robe questions and the WPS site questions were related |
| 20:28:03 | polluxx | not at all :D id use my h100 theme for the mrobe anyway |
| 20:29:42 | polluxx | but id like to take a look at the h300 themes for i recently bought a h320 |
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| 20:30:09 | polluxx | i mean the "selective" themes of the themes.rockbox |
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| 20:30:58 | krazykit | well, they're still on the WpsGallery wiki page |
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| 20:32:00 | polluxx | im wonder why my h140 is always stopping when using it with mac os x |
| 20:32:10 | polluxx | with windows xp it works |
| 20:32:16 | polluxx | i mean th3e HDD |
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| 20:33:09 | polluxx | you know, i just updated to 3.1. hdd stopped for at least 30 secs, then continued. anyone got an idea? |
| 20:34:06 | kugel | Zagor: what do you think about committing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9645 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9663 ? I'm still unsure, since both don't really work as I'd like them to (except the backlight fading) |
| 20:35:15 | kugel | I don't mean to ask you for committing it, but rather getting your opinion if such stuff should go in for work-in-progress ports |
| 20:36:06 | Zagor | I'll take a look |
| 20:36:09 | kugel | keanu: have you already tried to play music? |
| 20:36:22 | keanu | kugel, wanted to test it ;) |
| 20:37:06 | kugel | flac should work, ogg should work until you add dsp effects, mp3 should cause reboots/hang ups |
| 20:37:11 | kugel | at least that's my impression |
| 20:38:07 | kugel | oh, and you're gonna get panics about internal storage regulary |
| 20:38:18 | keanu | actually it seems that it it thinks it isn't mounted - No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it |
| 20:38:26 | * | keanu looks for microsd card |
| 20:38:57 | kugel | there's still this issue about accessing data past 1GB, which simply doesn't work yet |
| 20:39:27 | keanu | yeah |
| 20:39:33 | keanu | hotswap work? |
| 20:39:46 | kugel | yea |
| 20:40:08 | kugel | oh and accessing data past 1GB is fine for external storage |
| 20:40:13 | keanu | yeah |
| 20:40:16 | keanu | remember hearing htat |
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| 20:42:59 | Zagor | this is not your fault kugel, but I think we have a creeping sloppiness in the config.h define names. USE_BACKLIGHT_SW_FADING sounds like a setting, not a define. why wasn't that called HAVE_BACKLIGHT_SW_FADING ? |
| 20:43:19 | Zagor | there was another one that bothered me the other day, but I can't find it now |
| 20:43:48 | kugel | Zagor: because it can be deactivated, which is done in the bootloader (i.e. a purely additional feature) |
| 20:44:16 | Zagor | it's a compile-time define, of course it can be deactivated. |
| 20:44:27 | kugel | it makes a bit more sense to me to use USE_* for purely additional features, like USE_ROCKBOX_USB |
| 20:45:04 | Zagor | we call it HAVE_USBSTACK |
| 20:45:09 | kugel | well, there's some defines that render the build not working or mean major feature restrictions, those should be HAVE_* imho |
| 20:45:19 | polluxx | does anybody have a tipp for a compact flash card as a hd replacement (h140)? and you thinkk that 133x speed is fast enough? |
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| 20:45:59 | Zagor | I disagree. HAVE_ is a convention for flags defined in the config files. polluting that namespace has very little benefits. |
| 20:46:32 | keanu | this mSD card = slot |
| 20:46:34 | keanu | *slow |
| 20:46:35 | kugel | I don't feel too strong about that, I'm fine if it's changed |
| 20:48:06 | kugel | Zagor: it's not in CONTRIBUTING and I couldn't find docs about an official convention about that, and no-one argued when it was committed |
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| 20:50:04 | Zagor | kugel: yeah, we (I) should have spotted that in the first patch. |
| 20:51:04 | Zagor | kugel: another thing that we try to acoid is to use #if conditionals on model names, like you do in backlight.c. rather set up a new config flag that these targets share, and make the conditional on that. |
| 20:51:15 | Zagor | s/acoid/avoid |
| 20:52:01 | kugel | yep, I tend to agree |
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| 20:54:08 | Zagor | your addition of #include <stdbool.h> in sansa-fuze/backlight-target.h is not needed |
| 20:54:56 | kugel | Zagor: it is |
| 20:55:16 | Zagor | for what? |
| 20:55:38 | kugel | "bool _backlight_init(void);2 |
| 20:55:44 | kugel | s/2/"/ |
| 20:56:04 | Zagor | you're right. I'm blind... :-) |
| 20:56:14 | kugel | I got a warning or error without that |
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| 20:58:59 | amiconn | kugel: When you said PF shows umlauts correctly - did you try it on a colour or a greyscale target? |
| 20:59:04 | * | amiconn guesses colour |
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| 20:59:16 | kugel | good guess |
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| 20:59:31 | amiconn | Yeah - I think I know where the bug is... |
| 20:59:33 | Zagor | kugel: other than those define nitpicks, I'd say these patches can be committed. nobody expects code for ports in progress to be perfect the first time. |
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| 21:00:05 | amiconn | Yeah - the greylib's putsxy doesn't handle utf8 - oops |
| 21:01:20 | * | amiconn will fix that |
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| 21:03:37 | kugel | Zagor: except me :) |
| 21:04:01 | kugel | at least if I made the code |
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| 21:05:24 | new | hello? |
| 21:05:31 | Zagor | kugel: I recommend you try to get away from that feeling. early half-working commits often produce useful input from other devs and speed up progress. |
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| 21:05:47 | new | guys could i ask for some help |
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| 21:06:21 | new | ?? |
| 21:06:50 | Zagor | new: are you asking if you can ask? I suggest you simply ask the real question instead. |
| 21:06:50 | Aurix_Lexico | yes (also read the irc guidelines next time) |
| 21:09:29 | kugel | Zagor: yea, you're probably right. I also begin to think that "the best what we currently can do" isn't bad for SVN, as long as early ports are concerned |
| 21:09:45 | Zagor | exactly |
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| 21:11:36 | kugel | and it definitely invites other people to jump in than a "random fs task" |
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| 21:12:03 | * | kugel adds a more where approprated |
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| 21:14:12 | new | guys im getting an error when i run rockbox |
| 21:14:20 | new | about a missing .dll file when i run it |
| 21:14:27 | * | amiconn now also understands why PF uses sysfont on greyscale |
| 21:14:28 | new | any ideas why |
| 21:15:33 | amiconn | The greylib doesn't automatically use the current font, it has its own current font. Hence it needs to be set explicitly |
| 21:15:38 | saratoga | new: theres a thread about it in the forums |
| 21:16:01 | Zagor | new: the installer is broken. download http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?mingwm10 and put it in the same directory as rbutilqt.exe |
| 21:17:18 | new | dead on |
| 21:17:20 | new | cheers man |
| 21:17:21 | new | btw |
| 21:17:26 | new | how do you put songs on rockbox? |
| 21:18:30 | kugel | ok, then I'll prepare the patches for submission later or tomorrow |
| 21:18:52 | Zagor | new: drag & drop or copy |
| 21:18:57 | Zagor | kugel: excellent |
| 21:20:36 | new | sweeet' |
| 21:20:38 | new | cheers guys |
| 21:20:42 | new | how long does installation take btw |
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| 21:21:17 | * | kugel was kinda shocked when new said he get's a dll error while running rockbox |
| 21:23:55 | kugel | Zagor: should the #define and #if you complained about be in my patch or a seperate one? |
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| 21:24:29 | * | kugel would think a seperate one, as it affects working ports |
| 21:25:17 | saratoga | ci->id3->offset refers to what exactly? |
| 21:25:24 | saratoga | the start of a file after the tags? |
| 21:26:17 | saratoga | or is that ci->id3->first_frame_offset |
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| 21:26:59 | * | karashata would just like to point out that, in the PictureFlow plugin, when the title is set to show at the top, switching to the track listing causes a segmentation fault in the simulator |
| 21:28:13 | karashata | then again, maybe not... |
| 21:28:21 | karashata | must have been a one-time glitch |
| 21:28:35 | Zagor | kugel: yes the rename should be a separate patch |
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| 21:31:35 | Zagor | saratoga: offset is how many bytes have been played. used for resume. |
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| 21:31:54 | Zagor | at least it used to be that :) |
| 21:32:19 | kugel | Zagor: what's going to happen with your watermark patch? |
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| 21:32:56 | kugel | I mean, do you have plans to commit it sooner or later? |
| 21:33:29 | saratoga | does that patch also shrink the PCM buffer or is that a seperate change? |
| 21:33:34 | Zagor | kugel: yes I do, if I get all the kinks worked out |
| 21:33:42 | Zagor | saratoga: that's the same patch |
| 21:33:43 | kugel | that's cool |
| 21:33:59 | saratoga | i wonder if a small PCM buffer improves the UI much on the Sansa |
| 21:34:18 | saratoga | since it would cause the CPU to boost more quickly while scrolling |
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| 21:35:26 | Zagor | currently it improves it a lot, because it boosts too much :-) |
| 21:36:38 | * | amiconn will fix the sysfont issue soon |
| 21:42:03 | saratoga | FS #9721 has an interesting change to the ata driver |
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| 21:42:08 | Zagor | I think we should remove the code speficic for <2 MB targets, since that hasn't run in the last two years. |
| 21:42:46 | saratoga | thats the half working iriver ifp stuff right? |
| 21:42:53 | Zagor | saratoga: yes |
| 21:43:08 | saratoga | makes sense to remove it |
| 21:43:18 | Zagor | the only thing that code does today is screw up lowmem testing... |
| 21:43:32 | saratoga | it never worked anyway, and if someone wanted to revive that port they'd do better to use the newer stuff developed for the AMS chips |
| 21:44:29 | saratoga | also svn checkouts on cygwin are so slow its actually faster for me to ssh into a linux box, check out, and then sftp it back to me |
| 21:44:38 | Zagor | haha |
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| 21:51:56 | Persistent | I've been searching the rockbox site back and forth. Does anyone know if any of the versions will work with a sharper image mp3 video player? |
| 21:52:13 | Zagor | Persistent: you only have to read the front page |
| 21:52:33 | Zagor | it lists all players rockbox runs on |
| 21:54:47 | Persistent | How would I go about making a request for the firmware for said chipod? |
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| 21:55:29 | Llorean | Persistent: Firmware doesn't happen by requests. |
| 21:55:32 | Zagor | Persistent: you can't. we all do this in our spare time, for our own enjoyment. |
| 21:55:54 | Llorean | It basically happens when there's a group of owners who love the player enough to put in a lot of time working on it. You want to find people who already have the player and want to improve it. |
| 21:56:33 | saratoga | is there some way to tell a makefile to always include a header when compiling all files? |
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| 21:56:56 | Zagor | saratoga: you can tell gcc to do it |
| 21:57:04 | saratoga | i'm trying to make wma compile standalone and I'd like to have the makefile include a dummy header that takes care of IRAM defines and such |
| 21:57:11 | Zagor | saratoga: -include config.h |
| 21:57:30 | Persistent | Every review I've read on my player has been bad. So assuming I'm capable of learning how to do this, where do you suggest I start? |
| 21:57:32 | saratoga | Zagor: under CFLAGS? |
| 21:57:41 | kugel | Llorean: I updated http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9662 . I wonder if you could give it a test and give your opinion (note the changes to the time&date screen) |
| 21:57:54 | Zagor | saratoga: yeah |
| 21:57:59 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 21:58:06 | saratoga | Zagor: thanks |
| 21:59:10 | Zagor | Persistent: are you a programmer? |
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| 21:59:36 | Persistent | Not yet but I have a lot of spare time. |
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| 22:00:21 | Zagor | Persistent: that's a good start :-) read the link saratoga pasted |
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| 22:01:43 | Persistent | Thanks. I've been meaning to get started learning C++. |
| 22:01:52 | saratoga | we don't use c++ |
| 22:02:01 | saratoga | was there ever a decision on making the Gigabeat S supported? |
| 22:02:13 | Persistent | just C? |
| 22:02:19 | saratoga | yes |
| 22:02:37 | Persistent | cool, thanks for the info :) |
| 22:03:06 | saratoga | all of that is in the link I gave you, might want to read it |
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| 22:04:05 | Zagor | Bagder: who built the win32 version of rbutilqt? |
| 22:04:22 | Bagder | bluebrother I think |
| 22:05:02 | Zagor | we need a new build without that dll dependency |
| 22:07:11 | kugel | sadly bluebrother is at a congress atm |
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| 22:10:12 | Zagor | I found the cause of that pause/unpause bug. pcmbuf.c contains loads of hardcoded time limits. one refuses to start playback if <1s buffer... |
| 22:11:39 | Llorean | That should possibly be < watermark? |
| 22:12:03 | Zagor | I think so, yes |
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| 22:36:36 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i can still use the same enum values to set font in greylib? and it's FONT_UI if i want to use the userfont? |
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| 22:52:05 | Unhelpful | hrm, doing that seems to be making it segfault :/ |
| 22:54:38 | pixelma | krazykit: fwiw - not all H100 WPSs will work on the M:Robe1ßß. Even though its display has the same width and height it is monochrome not greyscale and so every WPS that uses the backdrop tag and/or album art will be broken (other bmps might not look as expected but will work) |
| 22:54:48 | Zagor | pcmbuf.c seems to never use more than 60% of the pcm buffer space |
| 22:55:00 | pixelma | M:Robe100 too... |
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| 23:13:49 | Flak | i have a quation about flac |
| 23:13:59 | Unhelpful | looks like grey_mono_bitmap_part is being called by grey_putsxyofs, and at least part of the src region is not valid |
| 23:14:05 | Flak | if its soppose to be lossless why then the butrate is lower than a wav? |
| 23:14:11 | Flak | butrate? |
| 23:14:17 | Flak | bitrate* |
| 23:14:23 | Zagor | Flak: it is compressed |
| 23:14:31 | Zagor | just like a zip file |
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| 23:14:44 | Flak | so the audio quality id lower? |
| 23:14:48 | Zagor | no |
| 23:15:03 | Unhelpful | so, the audio data is exactly the same after decompression |
| 23:15:07 | Zagor | yes |
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| 23:15:18 | Unhelpful | sorry, "no" not "so" |
| 23:15:41 | Flak | then why diferent lavel of compression have different rate? |
| 23:15:57 | ze | Flak: because it takes more processing power to compress it more |
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| 23:16:23 | ze | Flak: if you care about how long it takes to encode, you use a lower level of compression and just deal with the fact it'll be slightly bigger than if you gave it longer |
| 23:16:29 | Flak | but when i am listening flac in my player, do i listen to a lower quality or the same quality? |
| 23:16:38 | ze | there's no different qualities |
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| 23:17:01 | ze | its all lossless, all decodes to identical, and afaik all decodes with the same amount of processing time |
| 23:17:02 | Unhelpful | the different settings all produce an encoded file that can be used to decode the original audio exactly. |
| 23:17:06 | saratoga | Flak: maybe you should google flac or read the wikipedia article on it |
| 23:17:16 | Flak | i did, but i still dont get it |
| 23:17:21 | saratoga | "how does compression work" really isn't rockbox related |
| 23:17:30 | Flak | because foobat is giving me lower rates for flac file |
| 23:17:33 | Flak | foobar |
| 23:17:35 | Unhelpful | ze: some options can impact decode speed, i believe. |
| 23:17:41 | ze | Flak: the different compression levels are just for the sake of people wanting to encode faster |
| 23:17:44 | Unhelpful | Flak: of course it is, they're compressed. |
| 23:18:07 | Flak | then, if it is compressed, why is the quality the same? |
| 23:18:17 | saratoga | Flak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_compression |
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| 23:18:51 | ze | Flak: because its lossless compresion.. like rar or zip, just a scheme optimized to compress audio better than rar or zip |
| 23:19:00 | pixelma | it's lossless compression - think of it like better management |
| 23:19:06 | * | pixelma too slow |
| 23:20:18 | Flak | i get how it works, but i am not sure if when i listen to a flac i am getting the same audio quality as a cd or a wav |
| 23:20:30 | ze | you are |
| 23:20:37 | Unhelpful | you are, as we have all said several times, now. |
| 23:20:45 | ze | you can run tests yourself |
| 23:20:52 | ze | i think when you compile flac it even runs a test |
| 23:21:08 | Zagor | Flak: the file is only compressed on disk. it is uncompressed to wav in ram before you hear it. |
| 23:21:14 | Flak | and level of compression will nto affect the quality right? |
| 23:21:16 | ze | encode a wav, decode the resulting flac, compare to wav... the pcm should be bit-for-bit identical |
| 23:21:52 | ze | Flak: nope, just how long it takes to encode it (and of course, resulting file size) ... and according to Unhelpful, in some cases, maybe also slow decoding |
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| 23:22:24 | ze | or rather than slow decoding, affect decoding speed, depending |
| 23:22:25 | ze | heh |
| 23:22:26 | Flak | og okay, thanks for the help |
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| 23:27:25 | amiconn | Unhelpful: I've committed the font fix, including an explicit font selection on colour targets. |
| 23:28:56 | amiconn | Previously PF didn't set the font at all, meaning that it used whatever the default viewport was set to. Some debug menu items leave the default viewport set to sysfont, and some plugins may do that too... |
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| 23:30:00 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i tried something like that, but when i set the font to 16-GNU-Unifont, on ipod4g sim, PF segfaults |
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| 23:31:02 | pixelma | would a question about font sizes belong into "WPS and appearance customization" or "User interface and voice"? |
| 23:31:28 | pixelma | I meant which category in the forums |
| 23:33:37 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Well, it works here (I used a H120 sim for testing) |
| 23:34:00 | amiconn | Just to make sure - did you place grey_setfont() after the greylib init? |
| 23:34:27 | Unhelpful | yes, i had it right before i actually show the grey overlay |
| 23:34:59 | Llorean | pixelma: Most likely UI, since it's not about WPS syntax, and WPSes can't pick separate fonts yet. |
| 23:35:18 | Unhelpful | hrm, still segfaults for me. might it be related to the issue with utf8 rendering? |
| 23:35:27 | amiconn | Unhelpful: There might be a bug in the greylib's mono bitmap function for horizontally packed lcds - I'll build a mini sim now |
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| 23:35:44 | pixelma | Llorean: ok, I'll move that question there that's in the Sansa installation forum |
| 23:35:49 | Llorean | I've locked it anyway |
| 23:36:00 | Unhelpful | gdb says that it's the mono bitmap source that's triggering the invalid access :/ |
| 23:36:05 | Llorean | Let him repost it elsewhere and clarify, I don't think it's a particularly useful question to have around anyway. |
| 23:36:22 | Llorean | "Do you guys like bigger fonts?" doesn't really serve any purpose. |
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| 23:38:09 | Unhelpful | a smaller font worked fine. another 16-high crashed. interesting. |
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| 23:39:04 | * | amiconn doubts that this is the problem, since the mono bitmap drawing uses the buffer, hence isn't lcd packing specific |
| 23:39:07 | pixelma | Llorean: hmm... already stopped following IRC, sorry |
| 23:39:19 | Llorean | Ah well, I'll unlock and amend my post |
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| 23:40:35 | * | Torne wonders if anyone has suggestions for how he might exit from a plugin without returning? :) |
| 23:40:50 | Torne | porting a big lump of existing code which expects to be able to call an exit()-equivalent |
| 23:41:34 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i understand, but that's where gdb is telling me the trouble is :/ |
| 23:41:57 | Unhelpful | Torne: i'm not sure, i can think of one way, but i have no idea if setjmp/longjmp are available in rockbox |
| 23:42:07 | Torne | i thought of that. :) grep would suggest not |
| 23:42:11 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Linux? Cygwin? 32 bit? 64 bit? |
| 23:42:25 | Unhelpful | linux, 32-bit |
| 23:42:46 | Torne | changing the code to propagate errors back up to the main function is gonna be a lot of effort and I'm trying to keep the changes from upstream minimal :) |
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| 23:43:07 | kiddecks | when is ipod touch supported ;x |
| 23:43:11 | amiconn | No setjmp/longjmp in rockbox |
| 23:43:14 | _Auron_ | lol. |
| 23:43:39 | Llorean | kiddecks: When people who own it actually do the work. |
| 23:44:21 | kiddecks | no dev got 1 for xmas? |
| 23:44:22 | kiddecks | :( |
| 23:44:30 | kiddecks | poor devs |
| 23:44:33 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i'd rather figured we didn't support, but it would've been really convenient, as he could setjmp() in the main function, and then use longjmp() as an "exit" :/ |
| 23:45:06 | Torne | hm, i guess i could create a new thread to run the actual code in |
| 23:45:12 | Torne | and have the main thread just wait on receiving a message from a queue |
| 23:45:23 | Torne | then the other thread could just post a message and then suicide |
| 23:45:26 | Torne | ? |
| 23:45:49 | amiconn | Torne: Afaik rockboy and/or doom implement an exit-like mechanism |
| 23:45:59 | * | Torne oohs and has a look |
| 23:47:45 | Torne | no, doom just has a global flag checked in its main loop :) |
| 23:48:07 | amiconn | Hmm, seems they're not doing that |
| 23:48:23 | Torne | the way plugin_load() is implemented makes it look unlikely |
| 23:48:38 | Torne | it's not doing anything clever wrt. the stack |
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| 23:49:35 | Unhelpful | i don't imagine you could rig a setjmp-like construct without going down to asm :/ |
| 23:49:41 | Torne | well, no :) |
| 23:49:44 | Torne | pretty much by definition |
| 23:50:00 | Torne | which would be a rather larger endeavour than i'd like :) |
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| 23:50:18 | Torne | mostly because it'd have ot be implemented on all platforms to be worht considering |
| 23:50:38 | Torne | would doing it with threads actually work? |
| 23:50:55 | Torne | are there any restrictions on what a plugin-created thread can do/call? |
| 23:51:23 | Unhelpful | i'd expect only the restrictions that apply to plugins in general, ie, they need to use the API |
| 23:51:37 | Torne | well, i mean things like is it ok for the original thread to just block |
| 23:52:18 | amiconn | Unhelpful: No crash in a mini G2 sim either. I'm testing on windows/cygwin though. |
| 23:52:20 | Torne | i don't actually know what thread that *is*. |
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| 23:52:26 | Torne | pretty new at this rockbox thing |
| 23:52:33 | Torne | i possibly should've gone for a smaller project to start with |
| 23:52:41 | Torne | (though i have done plenty of embedded development on other systems) |
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| 23:53:14 | Zagor | Torne: no, every thread has to listen for system messages. to handle stuff like usb connected. |
| 23:53:53 | Torne | Zagor: the newly created thread would do that in its main loop, though |
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| 23:54:09 | Torne | i'm going to have to put that in regardless |
| 23:54:16 | amiconn | Only threads with a public event queue have to do that. |
| 23:54:22 | Unhelpful | if you're *only* using it to mimic exit(), you wouldn't have to implement *all* of setjmp... just enough to have execution resume at a particular point. zero a register, and have longjmp go to a label just past it? |
| 23:54:27 | Zagor | Torne: that's not enough. every thread has to acknowledge the message before usb mode is entered. to avoid resource conflict. |
| 23:54:37 | Unhelpful | after setting a return value in said register |
| 23:54:58 | Torne | Zagor: er, so how are you supposed to use the blocking functions at all then? |
| 23:55:23 | Zagor | Torne: briefly :) |
| 23:55:26 | Torne | i'm imagining my plugin doing create_thread to fire off one that actually runs the program's main loop |
| 23:55:33 | Torne | then just thread_wait to wait for it to die |
| 23:55:36 | Torne | or similar. |
| 23:56:02 | Torne | as that means the program could use thread_exit to implement its exit() function |
| 23:56:58 | Zagor | Torne: instead of thread_wait, you simply run queue_wait() instead and ack SYS_USB_CONNECTED if you get it |
| 23:57:16 | Torne | ahh |
| 23:57:28 | Torne | and the other thread can send a message to the same queue, to say it's dying? |
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| 23:57:38 | Zagor | yup |
| 23:57:46 | Torne | right. |
| 23:57:49 | Torne | ok, that makes sense |
| 23:57:56 | Torne | what thread *do* plugins get invoked in, btw? :) |
| 23:58:03 | Zagor | the main gui thread |
| 23:58:29 | Torne | and it's ok to call lcd/input/etc functions from a seperate thread? |
| 23:58:58 | Zagor | Torne: as long as the main thread is not doing it, yes |
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