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| 00:14:10 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: I get several USB GET_DESC requests (1, 2 and 3) on the Onda; does that imply that the host receives stuff I send through EP0? |
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| 00:25:02 | casainho | hello again :-) |
| 00:25:14 | casainho | I am getting this warning: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘disable_irq_save’. Why? :-) |
| 00:26:05 | mcuelenaere | it means you don't have disable_irq_save() defined in system-target.h or you haven't included that file |
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| 00:30:05 | casainho | mcuelenaere: But looking at other targets, they don't disable_irq_save() defined on system-target.h?? |
| 00:30:44 | mcuelenaere | hmm they have disable_interrupt_save() defined, so my mistake |
| 00:30:51 | mcuelenaere | did you include system.h? |
| 00:31:41 | casainho | the error starts here: CC firmware/kernel.c |
| 00:31:43 | casainho | /home/cas/Documentos/rockbox_player/rockbox/firmware/kernel.c: In function ‘tick_add_task’: |
| 00:31:45 | casainho | /home/cas/Documentos/rockbox_player/rockbox/firmware/kernel.c:100: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘disable_irq_save’ |
| 00:32:02 | casainho | so, system.h on kernel.c file? |
| 00:32:45 | mcuelenaere | disable_irq_save() seems to be a #define in system-target.h: http://google.com/codesearch?q=package%3Asvn.rockbox.org+disable_irq_save |
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| 00:39:37 | casainho | well, it's on target/arm-arm-system.h |
| 00:40:10 | casainho | my processor is an ARM9, so, I don't know why I get that warning... |
| 00:42:15 | casainho | another warning: firmware/panic.c:51: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘disable_fiq’ |
| 00:42:23 | casainho | should I be worried with them? |
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| 01:24:25 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: you mean in the bDescriptorType field? If so, then yes, that would mean that the host gets something back |
| 01:24:58 | mcuelenaere | that's good news :) |
| 01:26:00 | gevaerts | indeed :) |
| 01:26:47 | mcuelenaere | only problem is that I just did something which breaks USB and I can't figure out what :/ |
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| 01:29:16 | mcuelenaere | ok, got it to work back. I get STRING 0 & STRING 3; what does this mean? |
| 01:31:00 | gevaerts | It means that the OS asked what language your strings are in and what the serial number is |
| 01:31:29 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 01:31:39 | mcuelenaere | it stops communicating after that |
| 01:31:45 | mcuelenaere | I'll post a log |
| 01:32:17 | gevaerts | I think the next step would be a SET_ADDRESS |
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| 01:34:09 | mcuelenaere | http://pastebin.com/m72a22577 |
| 01:34:27 | mcuelenaere | I'm not sure at what step I disconnected and the process started over |
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| 01:34:47 | mcuelenaere | (and the GET_DESC x messages are prefixed with usb_core: of course) |
| 01:36:39 | mcuelenaere | oh and could the absence of a call to usb_core_init() do anything harmfull? |
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| 01:37:24 | * | gevaerts checks |
| 01:39:54 | gevaerts | I think it won't matter, but to be sure maybe start with only USB_CHARGING_ONLY defined in firmware/export/usb_core.h (so no USB_STORAGE or USB_SERIAL). That uses no non-0 endpoints at all, so it sgould simplify things |
| 01:40:06 | mcuelenaere | hmm ok |
| 01:40:30 | mcuelenaere | and the absence of the usb_core_init() call is due to usb_enable(), which is called from the USB thread AFAICS |
| 01:40:36 | mcuelenaere | so there's something peculiar there |
| 01:41:00 | gevaerts | hm, indeed. |
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| 01:41:29 | mcuelenaere | USE_CHARGING_ONLY is already defined in BOOTLOADER |
| 01:41:42 | gevaerts | If you run with only USB_CHARGING_ONLY, maybe check firmware/usb.c to see if the calls to usb_core_enable_driver() are correct |
| 01:42:30 | iPlay | anyone help me out. ipods running rockbox np. but i cant get the utility to install at all |
| 01:42:37 | mcuelenaere | ah USB_DRIVER_MASS_STORAGE isn't #ifdef'ed |
| 01:42:39 | iPlay | can't find a .dll when i launch the exe |
| 01:43:52 | gevaerts | iPlay: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9711 |
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| 01:44:09 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: is this correct? http://pastebin.com/m18432ca5 |
| 01:44:29 | iPlay | nice one |
| 01:45:04 | mcuelenaere | hmm I seem to have the same behaviour with it |
| 01:46:15 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: it's correct, although I think that USB_CHARGING_ONLY needs the same treatment, and from reading the code I don't think it really matters (although just doing it for correctness is a good idea anyway) |
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| 01:49:09 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: does your code call usb_start_monitoring() somewhere? |
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| 01:49:56 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: you mean like in the bootloader? no |
| 01:50:22 | gevaerts | OK. That explains why you don't get the correct events in the usb thread |
| 01:50:30 | gevaerts | (unless you get them some other way) |
| 01:51:11 | mcuelenaere | ah ok, but it seems like the USB tick driver doesn't get them either |
| 01:51:34 | mcuelenaere | or there's something wrong with logf() |
| 01:52:13 | gevaerts | There's this if(usb_monitor_enabled) in there |
| 01:52:59 | gevaerts | So it needs usb_start_monitoring() somewhere to get it to actually do something |
| 01:53:34 | mcuelenaere | ah you're right, I missed that |
| 01:54:56 | gevaerts | Maybe copy the usb logic from bootloader/gigabeat-s.c |
| 01:56:02 | mcuelenaere | does the main thread has to acknowledge the USB request too? |
| 01:58:22 | gevaerts | Yes and no. SYS_USB_CONNECTED actually means that the UMS driver wants the disk for itself. As long as you're not far enough along to get near that it doesn't matter much |
| 01:58:58 | mcuelenaere | ah ok. It seems that usb_core_init() gets called now |
| 01:59:04 | mcuelenaere | but it doesn't help me any further though |
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| 02:00:52 | gevaerts | do you handle USB_REQ_SET_ADDRESS correctly? i.e. do you tell the hardware what its new address is, or does it handle that itself? |
| 02:01:19 | gevaerts | That's actually usb_drv_set_address() to be precise |
| 02:01:43 | mcuelenaere | yes I set the REG_USB_REG_FADDR register |
| 02:01:50 | mcuelenaere | in that function |
| 02:01:59 | mcuelenaere | that should be enough according to the datasheet |
| 02:02:58 | mcuelenaere | that register does have this described at its seventh bit: Set when FAddr is written. Cleared when the new address takes effect (at the end of the current transfer). |
| 02:03:25 | mcuelenaere | but I don't presume that's of any importance? |
| 02:04:34 | gevaerts | I don't think so, but I don't actually know... |
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| 02:05:09 | mcuelenaere | it never seems to get handled in any of the code from the manufacturer.. |
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| 02:05:34 | gevaerts | hm, sounds a bit like the tcc controller then |
| 02:05:36 | * | mcuelenaere thinks it's something with ACK'ing USB requests |
| 02:05:57 | gevaerts | That one handles SET_ADDRESS internally, so you don't actually need to do anything |
| 02:06:12 | mcuelenaere | I think the ZVM's chip has the same |
| 02:06:28 | gevaerts | It's not simply ACKing. If that was the case you'd only ever see GET_DESC 1 |
| 02:07:21 | mcuelenaere | perhaps it's not sending the whole message? |
| 02:07:30 | mcuelenaere | ie it doesn't send every last packet or so |
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| 02:07:54 | gevaerts | All these should fit in a single packet |
| 02:08:26 | mcuelenaere | hmm true |
| 02:08:28 | gevaerts | The thing is that your log stops at SET_ADR, and repeats after that (so I suspect a reset there). |
| 02:08:44 | mcuelenaere | it doesn't really stop at SET_ADR |
| 02:09:16 | mcuelenaere | I didn't give all information, because I need to copy it manually :) |
| 02:09:33 | mcuelenaere | (type every character on the screen into pastebin) |
| 02:09:52 | mcuelenaere | it seems to give up on a GET_DESC 2 |
| 02:09:53 | gevaerts | Is there usb activity after it? |
| 02:10:17 | mcuelenaere | yes, a GET_DESC 1,2,3,3 and 2 |
| 02:10:23 | gevaerts | ok. that's probably the "complete" USB_DT_CONFIG then |
| 02:10:57 | * | gevaerts tries to remember if high-speed control packets are 64 bytes |
| 02:11:07 | mcuelenaere | ehm I forced the lowest speed |
| 02:11:17 | * | mcuelenaere doesn't know the correct term |
| 02:11:23 | mcuelenaere | so they're all 64 bytes |
| 02:11:26 | * | gevaerts tries to remember if full-speed control packets are 64 bytes :) |
| 02:11:39 | mcuelenaere | yes they are:) |
| 02:11:42 | mcuelenaere | I messed up with bulk packets |
| 02:11:49 | mcuelenaere | those can be either 64 or 512 |
| 02:11:53 | mcuelenaere | depending on the speed |
| 02:12:01 | gevaerts | or less :) |
| 02:12:03 | mcuelenaere | and control packets are always 64bytes AFAIK |
| 02:12:13 | mcuelenaere | yes or less :) |
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| 02:13:14 | mcuelenaere | why is usb_core_ack_control() sometimes an usb_drv_send() call and sometimes an usb_drv_recv() call? |
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| 02:13:31 | mcuelenaere | doesn't the USB chip _sends_ an ACK? |
| 02:13:38 | mcuelenaere | s/sends/send/ |
| 02:13:39 | gevaerts | Try logging config_descriptor.wTotalLength at the end of case USB_REQ_GET_DESCRIPTOR: |
| 02:14:52 | gevaerts | usb_core_ack_control() may be a bit of a bad name. This is about acking the transaction, not the individual packet |
| 02:15:03 | mcuelenaere | wTotalLength = 9 |
| 02:15:14 | mcuelenaere | ah you meant the contents probably? |
| 02:15:40 | mcuelenaere | hmm sorry I thought I was logging the length of it |
| 02:16:42 | gevaerts | I basically want to find out if this descriptor is more than 64 bytes or not |
| 02:17:06 | mcuelenaere | and the writeFIFO() also gets called with length=9 so that's correct |
| 02:17:09 | gevaerts | If it is, throw out everything you can so you have only the charging only thing. That should fit |
| 02:17:48 | gevaerts | Is it also 9 for the second GET_DESC 2? That one should be larger |
| 02:18:34 | mcuelenaere | it seems to be 9 for all GET_DESC :/ |
| 02:18:36 | * | gevaerts is confused... |
| 02:19:04 | mcuelenaere | I added 'logf("G: %d", config_descriptor.wTotalLength);' at line 618 in usb_core.c |
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| 02:21:34 | gevaerts | I think that means that no driver is enabled (i.e. the appropriate usb_core_enable_driver()s didn't get called). I think you get a non-compliant device then... |
| 02:21:51 | crackerizer | Hello, |
| 02:22:04 | mcuelenaere | hmm that would mean there's nothing wrong with the USB driver itself :) |
| 02:22:10 | mcuelenaere | let's hope you're right :) |
| 02:22:28 | crackerizer | is somebody here own an iaudio m3?? |
| 02:22:46 | crackerizer | or please tell me what is the build target for it?? |
| 02:23:18 | gevaerts | I'd recommend double-checking usb.c for the right usb_core_enable_driver(xxx,true) calls |
| 02:23:30 | mcuelenaere | yeey! |
| 02:23:39 | mcuelenaere | I get the Rockbox Media Driver windows thingy |
| 02:23:47 | gevaerts | crackerizer: I don't understand the question... |
| 02:23:57 | mcuelenaere | you were right, just simply enabling the CHARGING_ONLY did the trick :) |
| 02:24:11 | gevaerts | OK. Now go back to storage :) |
| 02:24:23 | mcuelenaere | now I just need to implement EP1 support :) |
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| 02:26:09 | crackerizer | gevaerts: I'd like to know what is the compiler's target for building rockbox for m3. |
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| 02:27:02 | gevaerts | crackerizer: you mean in tools/configure? |
| 02:27:05 | * | mcuelenaere thinks he'll take the shortcut and directly implement DMA support |
| 02:28:19 | crackerizer | gevaerts: i mean what cpu which m3 uses.. |
| 02:28:37 | gevaerts | ah, ok |
| 02:29:00 | gevaerts | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart knows all :) |
| 02:29:09 | crackerizer | I dont see this model on the wiki page. |
| 02:29:30 | gevaerts | I do... |
| 02:29:52 | crackerizer | :) |
| 02:30:02 | crackerizer | Thank you gevaerts :) |
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| 02:31:31 | gevaerts | No problem :) |
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| 02:55:57 | gartral1 | no, the processor arch type, i think |
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| 04:29:29 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i can do it that way. i'm already going to have to put plugin-related stuff in bmp.c is it's going to be shared with pluginlib, so adding an init function doesn't *really* upset me... but it also makes one more difference in the plugin between using the core loader and the pluginlib loader. it would be nice if the only difference was essentially the name you call, ie bmp_load_file vs rb->etcetcetc |
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| 06:02:30 | theredone | hello |
| 06:02:53 | theredone | i understand you are the answer guys |
| 06:04:12 | theredone | i have an i pod g5 with rockbox and a dlo docking station i cant get video with it and the remote doesent work any way to fix it |
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| 06:05:10 | JdGordon | theredone: rockbox doesnt support tv out |
| 06:05:33 | scorche | rockbox does not support the video out at the moment...as for the remote part, you can check the tracker for a patch for the apple accessory protocol |
| 06:05:45 | scorche | actually, i take that back...i think that was recently committed.. |
| 06:05:51 | JdGordon | the IAP patch was commited... |
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| 06:07:00 | Actium | hiya, I have a sansa c200 that I just flashed to firmware v01.01.00P and rockbox utility won't detect it |
| 06:07:20 | Actium | I thought maybe it was some of that msc/mtp mode nonsense because before I had a v01.05.00P so I reflashed it to this version |
| 06:07:26 | Actium | but rb util still doesn't find it |
| 06:07:35 | Actium | "No Sansa Detected!" |
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| 06:08:07 | theredone | werre can i find that |
| 06:08:26 | theredone | were can i find that |
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| 06:09:06 | JdGordon | where... |
| 06:09:22 | theredone | yes please |
| 06:10:03 | JdGordon | find what? |
| 06:10:24 | Actium | ;P |
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| 06:10:28 | theredone | iap patch |
| 06:10:52 | scorche | it was committed...meaning it should be in the latest builds |
| 06:11:38 | theredone | hmm ok well it doesnt work any leads i can follow to git it fixed |
| 06:13:20 | scorche | are you running the latest build? |
| 06:13:48 | theredone | ya downloaded it yester day |
| 06:14:33 | theredone | unless something happened overnight |
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| 06:15:47 | theredone | this is the one i got http://www.amazon.com/DLO-009-9765-HomeDock-Deluxe-iPod/dp/B000ELDX2W |
| 06:24:36 | theredone | well ill ceep lokin and check back later |
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| 06:36:58 | Actium | grrrr |
| 06:37:01 | Actium | sansapatcher can't find it either! |
| 06:37:22 | Llorean | Actium: It's in MSC mode, and the tool is being run with admin privileges? |
| 06:37:32 | Actium | yes |
| 06:37:41 | Llorean | What OS are you on? |
| 06:37:44 | Actium | windows XP |
| 06:37:50 | Actium | I'm trying it on a different machine right now to rule that out |
| 06:38:36 | Actium | also you forgot to package mingwm10.dll with rbutil |
| 06:38:42 | Actium | or whoever does that |
| 06:38:46 | Llorean | No, it wasn't supposed to be packaged with it. |
| 06:38:48 | Llorean | It was compiled wrong. |
| 06:38:54 | Actium | ah |
| 06:38:59 | Actium | well luckliy I've got that dll |
| 06:39:08 | Llorean | The utility shouldn't require any external dlls. |
| 06:39:38 | Actium | yeah, stuff compiled w/ mingw shouldn't require mingwm10, I thought that was strange |
| 06:39:39 | Llorean | But due to the holidays, it's a bit slow in getting a fixed version arranged and posted. |
| 06:41:32 | Actium | nope, other comp says no sansa detected |
| 06:41:35 | Actium | I shall try with my old sansa |
| 06:42:22 | Actium | worked |
| 06:42:55 | Actium | new sansa fails |
| 06:43:34 | Actium | old one has firmware 01.00.03A new has 01.01.00P |
| 06:45:14 | Llorean | I don't have my c200 on hand, but I'm pretty sure I installed it with 01.05.00P. That's the one where you need to hold left while hold is on to manually enter MSC mode during connection, right? |
| 06:45:50 | Actium | yep |
| 06:46:05 | Actium | my new one used to have that firmware, then I flashed to 01.01.00P, because it stil couldn't find it |
| 06:46:12 | Actium | also, I didn't have to do the hold left nonsense |
| 06:46:23 | Llorean | In 1.01 or 1.05? |
| 06:46:24 | Actium | probably because this laptop has mtp drivers removed |
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| 06:46:42 | Llorean | It had an actual drive letter, and didn't simply say "Sansa c200"? |
| 06:48:28 | Actium | yep |
| 06:48:35 | Actium | and it had one for the microsd slot |
| 06:48:38 | Actium | tried this on 2 different comps |
| 06:49:12 | Llorean | And you simply get a message saying the player wasn't found? |
| 06:50:10 | advcomp2019 | v1.01.00 has a menu option for msc mode that is the why they went back to it from v1.06.00(if i remember the numbers right) |
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| 06:50:36 | Actium | I did the menu option for msc mode, it's in msc mode |
| 06:50:44 | Actium | also this is not my screenshot but it's exactly the error I get |
| 06:50:45 | Actium | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19914.0;attach=3371;image |
| 06:51:41 | Llorean | Well, unfortunately there's probably not much more we can do for you unless you can figure out what makes your player different from all the others it does work with. |
| 06:52:05 | Actium | is there anywhere else I can obtain alternate firmware to try flashing it with? |
| 06:52:33 | Llorean | There's the SansaLinux project, but they simply use our tools so it won't help. |
| 06:52:37 | Actium | is there a method of extracting the firmware off of my other player that does work so that I may load it onto this one? |
| 06:53:02 | Llorean | It's probably not the firmware that's the problem. |
| 06:53:07 | Actium | Also, what does the letter mean after the firmware? If I try to flash mine with a 01.01.00A (instead of P) will it brick? |
| 06:54:36 | Llorean | The letter represents the region, I believe. It shouldn't brick, they're really quite difficult to brick. The best you can do, really, is disable them until you go through the recovery procedure. |
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| 06:57:07 | Actium | Disable what? |
| 06:57:12 | Actium | Also, where's the sansapatcher source code |
| 06:57:26 | Llorean | Actium: disable the player. As in, it'll be unusable until you recover it. |
| 06:57:36 | Llorean | And the sansapatcher source code is in SVN along with all the other project source code. |
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| 07:15:13 | Actium | strange, I flashed it twice with 01.01.00A firmware and it stil says 01.01.00P |
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| 07:16:01 | Llorean | You aren't really flashing it, the firmware is just stored in a different hidden partition in the storage. |
| 07:17:10 | Llorean | Actium: As I said, it's probably not the firmware that's the problem. You may wish to investigate elsewhere. Make sure the USB PID/VID are what the patcher expects, etc. |
| 07:17:12 | Actium | storage is flash memory right |
| 07:17:18 | Actium | ;P |
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| 07:17:36 | Llorean | "flashing" as a verb almost always refers to flashing ROMs when discussing computers, not writing to flash memory. |
| 07:19:19 | Llorean | It's a more important distinction here because for several of the players there is a way to actually flash Rockbox to the ROM for other benefits than on-disk installation. |
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| 07:27:27 | Actium | the device manager pages look almost identical |
| 07:28:02 | Actium | how can I check the ids in windows? no lsusb :| |
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| 07:30:33 | Llorean | There's no simple way, as far as I know. |
| 07:50:52 | JdGordon | you can get it with a bit of pain in device manager (i tihnk) |
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| 08:09:11 | JdGordon | why the heck does zxbox seem to check the buttonbar height but not use it? |
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| 08:16:20 | JdGordon | amiconn_: do you think there is any problem with fiddling keeping an assumption in the buttonbar code that it will never be used with targets with a remote lcd? |
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| 09:30:03 | amiconn | JdGordon: Imho this assumption would be bad. The main idea behind the apps/gui/ stuff is multiple display support |
| 09:40:33 | JdGordon | yeah.. but the buttonbar is pretty target specific... |
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| 09:41:59 | anarky97 | Alguien aqui? |
| 09:42:42 | JdGordon | english only here |
| 09:42:51 | anarky97 | No comprende,senor |
| 09:43:03 | anarky97 | Tengo una pregunta |
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| 09:43:12 | anarky97 | Lol, I'm screwin w/ ya, I speak english |
| 09:43:20 | anarky97 | Question |
| 09:43:34 | anarky97 | This isn't necessarily only for rockbox |
| 09:43:39 | JdGordon | you know you just lost at least potential answereed for being a dick |
| 09:43:39 | anarky97 | But it happens in #rockbox a lot |
| 09:44:06 | anarky97 | Bein a dick? Wtf |
| 09:44:13 | anarky97 | I'm sorry. Did I call you a faggot? |
| 09:44:27 | anarky97 | Or do you throw tantrums like that when someone makes a joke |
| 09:44:34 | anarky97 | Fuck you. |
| 09:44:41 | anarky97 | I don't need your answer then, you little pussy bitch. |
| 09:44:47 | anarky97 | Cocksucking faggot. There, happy? |
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| 09:59:29 | JdGordon | kugel.. if you want 9603 (?) commited... join in the next 15min.... |
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| 11:22:05 | JdGordon | ... the iap patch had heaps of tabs :/ |
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| 11:24:23 | Torne | is there anything in a rockbox binary that actually identifies it as being a rockbox binary? |
| 11:24:39 | Torne | a string at a known offset or something? |
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| 11:25:47 | w1ll14m | i was wondering.... is there a way to improve the gigabeat S antenna ? |
| 11:26:32 | Torne | i'm looking at ways to support having rockbox in the ipod OSOS image and still be able to boot the retail firmware, and considering patching the bootloader to detect that this has been done automatically |
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| 11:26:58 | kugel | JdGordon: here I am! |
| 11:27:02 | Torne | but there's not much to identify rockbox.bin as being rockbox.. |
| 11:27:11 | * | kugel was busy trying to get his driver license |
| 11:27:32 | w1ll14m | Kugel: and did you ? |
| 11:27:45 | kugel | uhm, no |
| 11:27:49 | w1ll14m | to bad.... |
| 11:28:02 | JdGordon | kugel: too slow :D |
| 11:28:10 | w1ll14m | i'm going for take #4 at 7 january |
| 11:28:28 | JdGordon | na, I looked at the patch and I remembered why i didnt like it... I'm generally annoyed with how the bars and lists [dont] work together |
| 11:28:29 | w1ll14m | i hope i will get it right then..... |
| 11:29:12 | JdGordon | grr... why isnt my SYS_BLAA event getting into default_event_handler() ? |
| 11:29:35 | kugel | JdGordon: yea, but it still has nothing to do with my patch |
| 11:29:45 | JdGordon | yes and no... |
| 11:29:46 | Torne | hm, i guess i could modify crt0-pp to have some identifying text :) |
| 11:29:54 | JdGordon | adding that hide_bars param is a bad idea... |
| 11:30:00 | kugel | if anything, I actually move the bar setup into viewport management, and away from list management |
| 11:30:05 | Torne | there's that padding gap for the exception vectors.. |
| 11:30:59 | kugel | I think it's better to tell it to hide the bar once at init, instead of constantly re-init'ing lists because of taht |
| 11:31:05 | w1ll14m | Torne, what are you trying to achieve |
| 11:31:17 | JdGordon | kugel: what I want to do is make the buttonbar a "wgdet" for screens so they have to setup the rest of the screen viewport for it, and statusbars should be considered "outside" the usable screen which has to be forcibly removed if thats wants |
| 11:31:20 | JdGordon | wanted* |
| 11:31:40 | Torne | w1ll14m: i'd like to stuff rockbox into the ipod's OSOS image, so that the ipod rom loads it into ram, but still use the rockbox bootloader so it can support loading the the retail os from disk |
| 11:32:05 | w1ll14m | hmm you mean using rockbox fully from ram |
| 11:32:13 | Torne | well no, it's just avoiding loadign two OS images |
| 11:32:18 | Torne | the ipod rom loads whatever is in OSOS |
| 11:32:26 | kugel | JdGordon: then the bar code needs to know about all viewports, sounds like unneeded complexity to me |
| 11:32:30 | w1ll14m | actualy, only the bootloader is loaded in the beginning |
| 11:32:32 | Torne | by default that's the retailos, with the rockbox bootloader pasted on the end |
| 11:32:39 | Torne | no, it loads teh whole thing |
| 11:32:44 | kugel | and I don't think I break your plans |
| 11:32:51 | Torne | then the bootloader just branches back to the start if it wants to run retailos |
| 11:33:20 | Torne | it means startig rockbox involves loading the whole retailos then immediately overwriting it with rockbox |
| 11:33:25 | w1ll14m | i've always had my bootloader with both |
| 11:33:32 | JdGordon | kugel: no it wont... |
| 11:34:00 | Torne | w1ll14m: all ipodpatcher does is change the entry point address of the OSOS image |
| 11:34:10 | w1ll14m | it does |
| 11:34:17 | kugel | then I don't see what's wrong with it |
| 11:34:20 | Torne | it still loads the retailos into ram |
| 11:34:26 | w1ll14m | not fully |
| 11:34:40 | w1ll14m | after you boot retail you'll see it takes ages to load it |
| 11:34:47 | Torne | that's its startup procedure |
| 11:34:49 | Torne | it's jst slow :) |
| 11:34:55 | kugel | better to have 1 function which is able to setup viewports as you need them, instead of messing with several parts of the code to finally reach your goal |
| 11:34:57 | Torne | the whole of the OSOS image is in ram, is my oint |
| 11:35:23 | Torne | it hasn't moved itself around into iram or any of the other things it has to do on start |
| 11:35:27 | kugel | particulary if it saves multiple inits |
| 11:35:40 | Torne | but it has loaded up a big blob of stuff that i rarely want to use. |
| 11:35:47 | w1ll14m | hmmm .... |
| 11:35:48 | Torne | when it could've instead loaded rockbox :) |
| 11:35:52 | w1ll14m | never had that kind of problem |
| 11:35:56 | Torne | it's not a problem |
| 11:35:57 | w1ll14m | i use a ipod video |
| 11:36:02 | Torne | it's just a slight boot time improvement |
| 11:36:09 | w1ll14m | hmmm ... |
| 11:36:20 | Torne | if rockbox is in the OSOS image, isntead of retailos, it boots a little faster |
| 11:36:24 | Torne | but then you can't start retailos |
| 11:36:39 | Torne | so, i'm looking at fixing hte bootloader to allow that |
| 11:36:50 | w1ll14m | that will be a hell of a job |
| 11:36:53 | Torne | not really |
| 11:37:01 | Torne | you can do it as a five line bootloader hack |
| 11:37:09 | Torne | but that's strictly a hack |
| 11:37:12 | w1ll14m | not familiar with that |
| 11:37:14 | Torne | it can't then load rockbox from disk any more |
| 11:37:16 | kugel | JdGordon: look, given the buttonbar was a widget, the buttonbar code would just do viewport_set_defaults with the settings->buttonbar as the hide and pass it to the lists |
| 11:37:26 | kugel | that will work nicely with your widget idea |
| 11:37:27 | Torne | and thus that's never going to go into svn |
| 11:37:33 | kugel | I imagine at least |
| 11:37:38 | Torne | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19814.0 |
| 11:37:41 | Torne | this guy did it :) |
| 11:38:01 | Torne | i've tried his way and it works, but is a hack |
| 11:38:10 | w1ll14m | it also makes upgrading rockbox a lot more complicated, so i don't think they will do that |
| 11:38:13 | Torne | so, seeing abotu inventing a better way that doesn't break any existing functionality for people who do it normally |
| 11:38:16 | Torne | w1ll14m: it wouldn't be mandatory |
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| 11:38:27 | Torne | the idea is that it will work exactly the same as it does now |
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| 11:38:38 | Torne | but if you switch the OS images over with ipodpatcher it will then work my way |
| 11:38:43 | Torne | without requiring a hacked/recompiled bootloader |
| 11:38:45 | kugel | JdGordon: I think your idea is rather unrelated to my patch, and it's still a idea and there's no implementation (i.e. possible future code), and thus no reason for rejection, IMHO |
| 11:39:06 | * | JdGordon shouldnt have brought up the patch.... |
| 11:39:08 | Torne | it means the bootlaoder needs to be able to tell if the image in ram is rockbox, hough |
| 11:39:20 | kugel | hehe |
| 11:40:01 | Torne | it can identify the retail image because it says "portalplayer" at offset 0x20 |
| 11:40:21 | Torne | but there's no comparable method for rockbox.bin |
| 11:40:24 | kugel | lucent: ping |
| 11:40:29 | w1ll14m | that would mean you have to write some way of detecting the image at the place of the OSOS image |
| 11:40:41 | Torne | yes. it already does for retailos |
| 11:40:58 | Torne | it doesn't just blindly branch back to 0 |
| 11:41:02 | Torne | it checks first :) |
| 11:41:21 | Torne | so atm if you replace the OSOS image but keep the rockbox bootloader it will just fail if you have hold switched on |
| 11:41:23 | kugel | JdGordon: if it's a tough decision for you we can always mail to the -dev list and ask other people |
| 11:41:41 | JdGordon | oh its not... |
| 11:41:45 | Torne | unless you saved retailos as apple_os.ipod |
| 11:41:49 | Torne | which it tries first. |
| 11:41:56 | w1ll14m | hmmm |
| 11:42:01 | JdGordon | the changes to the bars bit is the only reason i wont it out... |
| 11:42:04 | w1ll14m | haven't gone that deep into the bootloader |
| 11:42:07 | kugel | apart from that, my patch is pretty much a requirement for a future customlist implementation which does it properly |
| 11:42:12 | Torne | s'in bootloader/ipod.c |
| 11:42:15 | Torne | it's pretty straightforward |
| 11:42:20 | w1ll14m | hold on |
| 11:42:44 | kugel | JdGordon: in the current code list/menu code handles bar setup, which is even worse I suppose |
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| 11:42:57 | JdGordon | yes it is.. which is why i want to do something about it |
| 11:43:06 | JdGordon | commiting that patch as it is will cause more work... |
| 11:43:20 | JdGordon | I'm working on a statusbar manager now which should clear everything up |
| 11:43:20 | kugel | do you think so? explain please |
| 11:44:01 | w1ll14m | Torne: i see |
| 11:44:15 | kugel | less work for your patch I'd think |
| 11:44:22 | Torne | w1ll14m: there's a nice gap at the beginning of rockbox.bin where it's later going to write the exception vectors |
| 11:44:27 | Torne | it's just filled with zeros and is never read |
| 11:44:41 | Torne | i could put a string in there that would identify it, then have the bootloader check for that |
| 11:44:57 | w1ll14m | that would be the 'nice' way |
| 11:45:08 | linuxstb_ | Torne: Unless I'm misunderstanding you, what you want can already be done - use ipodpatcher to extract the OSOS image to a file called appleos.bin, and then you can dual-boot it. |
| 11:45:17 | Torne | linuxstb_: no, you can't |
| 11:45:36 | Torne | linuxstb_: you can't RoLo retailos |
| 11:45:38 | kugel | JdGordon: I don't really change so much, I just move the bar setup into viewport management, I actually fail to see how it touches your work |
| 11:45:38 | Torne | it doesn't work |
| 11:46:06 | linuxstb_ | i'm not talking rolo. i'm talking loading it from the bootloader |
| 11:46:09 | JdGordon | kugel: because I would have to undo your entire patch and change it all.. instead of removing 4 or 5 lines in total... |
| 11:46:16 | Torne | the bootloader can only load rockbox from disk |
| 11:46:25 | Torne | it doesn't know how to detect that rockbox is already in ram |
| 11:46:28 | Torne | that's what i'm talking about fixing |
| 11:46:38 | w1ll14m | Torne: you want both rockbox and appleos in osos image ? |
| 11:46:42 | Torne | no, just rockbox |
| 11:46:47 | Torne | appleos will be on disk |
| 11:46:50 | Torne | which is already supported |
| 11:47:31 | kugel | so it adds more work for your not-yet-working-possibly-future-code and you don't want to commit it for that? |
| 11:47:53 | Torne | there's no point having both in there, that would take just as long to load |
| 11:47:55 | Torne | :) |
| 11:47:59 | kugel | sigh |
| 11:48:04 | w1ll14m | than that patch should be sufficient to boot rockbox.ipod from osos image instead of appleos |
| 11:48:17 | w1ll14m | if holdswitch is on it loads image from disk |
| 11:48:26 | Torne | w1ll14m: that patch is, yes, ut tht patch breaks the old way |
| 11:48:30 | Torne | so it will never get applied to svn |
| 11:48:38 | Torne | so i will have to have a custom bootloader forever |
| 11:49:04 | w1ll14m | i always build bustom bootloaders + svn builds my self |
| 11:49:05 | kugel | that's not reasonable to me |
| 11:49:21 | linuxstb_ | Torne: I still don't understand what you can't do.. |
| 11:49:30 | * | linuxstb_ thinks he gets it now... |
| 11:49:49 | w1ll14m | loading rockbox.ipod from ram to improve boot time |
| 11:49:58 | Torne | linuxstb_: if the OSOS image consists of rockbox followed by the rockbox bootloader, then when it goes to load rockbox it will load it up again from disk |
| 11:50:07 | Torne | exactly the same as if OSOS was retailos+bootloader |
| 11:50:11 | Torne | it can't tell the difference |
| 11:50:37 | Torne | there isn't anything *I* can't do here :) |
| 11:50:48 | Torne | because i have a hacked bootloader that always does it this way |
| 11:50:52 | Torne | as per that patch |
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| 11:51:18 | Torne | i'm talkiing about people with standard builds being able to do it if they want, by having a non-hacky solution that can actually go into svn |
| 11:51:39 | linuxstb_ | is that really worth the inconvenience? i mean is there a noticable speedup compared to loading rockbox from the fat partition? |
| 11:52:04 | Torne | it's noticable, unless the dircache needs updating |
| 11:52:10 | Torne | in which case that kinda dwarfs the actual boot time |
| 11:52:13 | linuxstb_ | (the inconvenience when upgrading) |
| 11:52:34 | Torne | well, that's up to the user, is my point :) |
| 11:52:46 | Torne | i'm not recommending that this be considered the normal way |
| 11:52:56 | Torne | jut an option for people who wanat to fiddle :) |
| 11:53:15 | Torne | all it will cost to support is a few bytes increase in bootloader size |
| 11:53:15 | w1ll14m | i still think it's saver to never touch the osos image again after installing the rockbox bootloader |
| 11:53:27 | w1ll14m | because it can damage while updating the new rockbox binary |
| 11:53:38 | w1ll14m | that will make things verry hard to fix |
| 11:53:44 | Torne | w1ll14m: you can always recover that trivially |
| 11:53:49 | Torne | just boot into disk mode |
| 11:53:53 | Torne | doesn't touch OSOS |
| 11:53:56 | w1ll14m | No problem for me |
| 11:54:08 | w1ll14m | but think of people who don't understand |
| 11:54:20 | w1ll14m | this way you can almost always recover rockbox |
| 11:54:22 | Torne | people who don't understand aren't going to do this in the first place |
| 11:54:37 | Torne | they'll install with rbutil and it will work like it does now |
| 11:54:44 | w1ll14m | because the functionality is not there |
| 11:55:01 | w1ll14m | but if it was a simple checkbox, then most likely it will be used |
| 11:55:04 | Torne | is it any different to people opting to use the ipodlinux loader? |
| 11:55:08 | bluebrother | people who don't understand tend to do all sort of things they don't understand ;-) |
| 11:55:26 | Torne | w1ll14m: it's not going to be, though |
| 11:55:33 | Torne | you'd just have to do it yourself with ipodpatcher |
| 11:55:57 | JdGordon | How do people feel about the statusbar being forcibly redrawn every 250ms by the default event handler? |
| 11:56:12 | JdGordon | unless it was explictly disabled for the curent screen |
| 11:56:15 | w1ll14m | that would cause extra cpu usage i guess |
| 11:56:27 | Torne | w1ll14m: i dunno. i'm talking about supporting it as in "the bootloader understands it", not supporting it as in offering any help for people to do it :) |
| 11:56:56 | linuxstb_ | Torne: I wouldn't object to adding it to SVN. |
| 11:57:23 | Torne | linuxstb_: even though it means changing the crt0 for portalplayer? :) |
| 11:57:42 | kugel | JdGordon: how often is it redrawn now? |
| 11:58:09 | w1ll14m | Torne: if it's stable it shouldn't be a problem i gues |
| 11:58:10 | w1ll14m | s |
| 11:58:21 | * | kugel rather thought of a statusbar tick-task which would be disabled altogether if there's no active statusbar, but didn't code anything yet |
| 11:58:34 | w1ll14m | of course it will be tested before it's added to svn |
| 11:59:09 | Torne | i guess the other question is what should the identifying info *be* |
| 11:59:18 | Torne | just the string "rockbox"? |
| 11:59:34 | w1ll14m | maybe "rockbox 3.1" |
| 11:59:49 | Torne | it should probably have the ipod model identifier in it, actually |
| 11:59:57 | Torne | the way rockbox.ipod does |
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| 12:00:38 | w1ll14m | i'd say rockbox + version string |
| 12:01:04 | linuxstb_ | Torne: Why add identifying info? Can't you just see if the Apple firmware is there, and if not, assume rockbox? |
| 12:01:14 | JdGordon | kugel: as often as screens want it... actually I tihnk alot more than 4x/s |
| 12:01:17 | Torne | linuxstb_: you could, but that opens you up to exciting new failure modes |
| 12:01:28 | linuxstb_ | Ew.g. ? |
| 12:01:35 | linuxstb_ | i mean e.g.? |
| 12:01:50 | Torne | linuxstb_: if the image in OSOS is useless/blank/something that expects to be loaded nontrivially |
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| 12:02:11 | Torne | it will branch to it then the hardware will probably just crash |
| 12:02:25 | Torne | whereas currently if rockbox.ipod is missing or otherwise useless the bootloader tells you so |
| 12:02:58 | JdGordon | can anyone think of a screen which forces the statusbar off ever? |
| 12:03:07 | linuxstb_ | Why would that happen? you can tell if nothing is there. (load address of the bootloader) |
| 12:03:35 | Torne | linuxstb_: is that information still around by the time you get to the bootloader's main? |
| 12:03:49 | Torne | it'll've relocated itself by then, no? |
| 12:04:16 | bluebrother | JdGordon: can't the statusbar be only redrawn if it actually changes? |
| 12:04:17 | * | Torne shrugs, it just seems nicer to mirror what it does for retailos |
| 12:05:05 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I guess it could be simpler. |
| 12:05:09 | JdGordon | bluebrother: well yes, but it still needs to be called to check if it needs to redraw |
| 12:05:23 | * | linuxstb_ hasn't looked at all this for years.... |
| 12:06:37 | Torne | linuxstb_: if it puts in, say, "rockbox" and the four byte model id, it can check that really trivially |
| 12:06:59 | Torne | that omits the size and crc checking that load_firmware normally does |
| 12:07:19 | kugel | JdGordon: so you don't do anything about FS #9603 for now (since it breaks your local code)? |
| 12:07:23 | bluebrother | JdGordon: true, but that could be handled by a global message variable which the changing code sets when it changes the contents |
| 12:07:31 | Torne | but inserting size and crc into the binary would be nontrivial to start with :) |
| 12:08:44 | JdGordon | kugel: no, I've just started fixing this again because your patch is a bad design descision... |
| 12:09:17 | w1ll14m | Torne: if the rockbox tring is ok, but somewhere it went wrong and the binary misses 15KByte of it's binary, we'll never know and we don't know what's happening |
| 12:09:24 | linuxstb_ | i don't think we need to worry about verifying the image - ipodpatcher should make sure the firmware partition is always sane |
| 12:09:37 | w1ll14m | so i think it's pretty smart to have some information in the binary as it has now .... |
| 12:10:36 | Torne | w1ll14m: would make the build more complicated, though... |
| 12:10:46 | kugel | JdGordon: is it? It may not be the best design (it doesn't intend that), but it certainly better than svn code. But anyway, there's other benefit parts in that patch other than the hide_bars param |
| 12:11:06 | Torne | w1ll14m: to say nothing of the fun involved in putting a checksum inside the data being checksummed :) |
| 12:11:07 | kugel | I begin to wonder why you even introduced it if it's such a bad thing |
| 12:11:18 | JdGordon | and if it was 2 patches the good parts would be in already |
| 12:11:20 | Torne | anyway i need to go actually do RL things |
| 12:11:25 | Torne | so, i'll have a fiddle |
| 12:11:32 | Torne | thanks for the comments :) |
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| 12:15:06 | kugel | JdGordon: another thing. with my patch you can finally get real full screen viewports, and that's a good thing imho |
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| 12:15:48 | JdGordon | umm what? svn can do that also |
| 12:16:15 | kugel | not with viewport_set_defaults |
| 12:16:32 | kugel | you need to fix bars after (like it's done it star plugin) |
| 12:16:58 | kugel | and I don't really see why viewport_set_defaults shouldn't be able to do that |
| 12:18:43 | kugel | maybe you explain the "bad design decision" part a bit more detailed so I can understand it |
| 12:21:53 | JdGordon | viewport_set_defaults was always meant to setup the viewport for the "usable screen" which (ignoring the archos recorder) means the whole screen minus the statusbar if enabled |
| 12:22:06 | JdGordon | the buttonbar is another story so ignored for now... |
| 12:22:31 | JdGordon | screens should NOT disable the statusbar unless its needed, so to discourage this it should be extra work to do it |
| 12:22:39 | kugel | and now it can do both |
| 12:23:09 | kugel | which makes perfectly sense to me for a function which sets viewports up |
| 12:24:19 | kugel | go for hide_bars = true and safe the manual viewport fixing after if you're going to hide the bars with do_menu, or go for hide_bars=true and get the old behavior |
| 12:24:32 | kugel | unless it's the buttonbar which is problematic |
| 12:25:04 | kugel | and btw, how does the buttonbar not reduce the usable screen in the same way as the statusbar does? |
| 12:25:05 | JdGordon | hide_bars was origionally a mistake and was put in to band-aid another issue... |
| 12:26:23 | kugel | so I move the band aid from the ard to the shoulder (and the shoulder is blooding). I move the band aid, you fix the shoulder, it's fine afaics |
| 12:26:37 | kugel | s/ard/arm/ |
| 12:27:25 | kugel | the point is, the main cleanup part in the patch is to fix the multiple re-inits in menu.c, and that |
| 12:27:39 | kugel | and that's not possible without taking the bar-fixing out of it |
| 12:27:58 | JdGordon | oh FFS... I've said 6 times if it was just the reint thing and the menu_vp remoal it would go in... |
| 12:28:41 | kugel | yea, and I said it's pretty much not possible without moving the bar fixing out of it (which I did with expanding viewpot_set_defaults) |
| 12:29:05 | kugel | and that doesn't remove the band aid either |
| 12:29:47 | JdGordon | so if you stop arguing and just let me stay in my text editor things could speed up so it could be done without fidling with the bars |
| 12:29:52 | kugel | if the menu_vp and reinit is to be removed, the viewports must be bar-fixed before calling do_menu |
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| 12:32:20 | kugel | JdGordon: ok, then I'm going to get it working by manually fixing the bars before and leave viewport_set_defaults untouched (even though I'd really welcome it to create a fullscreen viewport) |
| 12:33:20 | JdGordon | what manually fidling with bars? no screens should be disableing the statusbar, and barely any enable the button bar... |
| 12:33:46 | kugel | there are some, plugins mainly iirc |
| 12:34:20 | JdGordon | plugins are an entirely different story |
| 12:34:33 | JdGordon | and second class citizens.. so it SHOULD be hard for them |
| 12:34:40 | kugel | lol |
| 12:36:17 | * | JdGordon would like to know how button can be mangled between the call to default_Event_handler() in tree.c and the actual funciton |
| 12:36:33 | kugel | JdGordon: then I don't understand r16812 at all |
| 12:37:26 | JdGordon | like I said... thats the band aid... |
| 12:38:29 | kugel | as if second class citizens deserved band aids ;) |
| 12:39:22 | amiconn | "[12:33:20] <JdGordon> what manually fidling with bars? no screens should be disableing the statusbar..." <== I would in fact agree for anything except plugins, but obviously some poeple would disagree, probably including yourself, when it comes to the wps |
| 12:39:24 | kugel | "what manually fidling with bars? no screens should be disableing the statusbar, and barely any enable the button bar..." - that was the explanation I needed to understand your doubts |
| 12:39:47 | kugel | ah right, wps |
| 12:40:11 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, came across the WPS already... thats all i could tihnk of also |
| 12:40:19 | kugel | would be indeed ease things if you could have a fullscreen wps setup by a single function for the wps too |
| 12:40:45 | amiconn | JdGordon: There might be other screens where themability might be desired. |
| 12:40:59 | JdGordon | sure |
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| 12:42:14 | JdGordon | grr... got a 64bit bug here :( |
| 12:42:20 | amiconn | Imo themability isn't just related to design (that's something I don't deem very important), but also to choice of information. |
| 12:42:33 | JdGordon | why are events using "long" instead of int? |
| 12:42:59 | amiconn | JdGordon: Events need at least 32 bits, that's why |
| 12:43:11 | kugel | amiconn: so what's your opinion on viewport_set_defaults being able to ingore bars to set a real fullscreen vp up? |
| 12:43:46 | JdGordon | int isnt 32 bits on all targets? |
| 12:43:46 | amiconn | There once was the (unfinished) calmrisc16 port. Calmrisc16 is a 16 bit architecture |
| 12:44:00 | kugel | if it was only for plugins I'd agree to manually fixing the viewport to ingore bars, but - as you said - screens with actual or possible themeability surely would want that |
| 12:44:22 | amiconn | There were many fixes for this going in. Back then we didn't have the intNN_t types |
| 12:44:52 | JdGordon | AH... my problem was it was unsigned instead of int... |
| 12:45:03 | JdGordon | working again :) |
| 12:45:25 | amiconn | Regarding the choice of information, the radio screen probably doesn't need themability, but the recording screen does, at least on targets with smaller screens |
| 12:45:54 | JdGordon | I imagine radio screen will eventaually get themability.. if only for looks... |
| 12:46:09 | JdGordon | rec and radio are opposites :) one is all looks, the other is all info |
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| 12:46:57 | amiconn | Not necessarily. On hwcodec targets, radio recording happens *in* the radio screen. Imo that's much more convenient than switching to an entirely different screen |
| 12:47:54 | JdGordon | yeah, but if you're recording from FM there is less info you need on the screen ( I would tihnk anyway) |
| 12:48:05 | JdGordon | you dont need the fine grained control? |
| 12:48:16 | kugel | so I figure my viewport_set_defaults would be useful for non-plugins too |
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| 12:49:31 | amiconn | JdGordon: Depends. Stations often differ in level, and that's one thing I don't like that much in hwcodec fm recording. They use a completely fixed recording level. |
| 12:50:27 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:51:23 | JdGordon | I guess we could allow recording from either screen (with fast switching between them) so if you want the looks you have it, and if you want the info its there also |
| 12:51:26 | kugel | what about RDS if it happens? afaics the gigabeats radio supports that. I imagine you'd like to theme that too |
| 12:51:28 | JdGordon | with a selectable default |
| 12:51:44 | * | JdGordon wants AA in the radio screen :/ |
| 12:52:29 | amiconn | You don't need the input selection and mono/stereo setting (that should be linked to the radio's "force mono"), but all other settings still apply: gain, format (swcodec), quality (hwcodec), sample rate, time split, prerecording... |
| 12:52:54 | kugel | so, wps and radio (maybe recording screen too) are screens which possibly hide the bars for themeability, and they're first class citizens |
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| 12:53:27 | JdGordon | no... wps/radio is a class by itself somewhere close to G-d :p |
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| 12:54:45 | JdGordon | can anyone else not edit apps/player/keyboard.c? |
| 12:55:17 | amiconn | Besides, I don't think of plugins as second-class, just as addons which provide extra functionality. Sometimes they need (and have) their specific support functions in the core, e.g. lcd_blit_yuv() / lcd_blit_grey_phase(), user timer support (although that is also used for core functionality on some targets - backlight fading on H1x0 and several ipods) |
| 12:55:23 | * | kugel assumes JdGordon's opinion didn't change |
| 12:56:11 | JdGordon | ? |
| 12:56:45 | kugel | your opinion about viewport_set_defaults. I actually think your "band aid" turns out useful |
| 12:56:57 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, what I meant was that they are expected to do more work when drawing anyway... they are allowed to break rules like keeping the bars shown if enabled |
| 12:58:02 | * | JdGordon has a patch which probably halves the number of redraws of the statusbar ready |
| 12:58:11 | kugel | amiconn: couldn't the pwn fade also use the backlight tick-task, like the sw fade does? |
| 12:58:52 | kugel | pwm* |
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| 12:59:16 | devurandom | Hi! |
| 12:59:59 | devurandom | I would like to ask how far the support for the new Sansa devices is. (Fuze&Co) |
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| 13:00:14 | kugel | far enough |
| 13:00:39 | kugel | We actually don't like people coming here asking for the status. It's done when it's done |
| 13:00:50 | JdGordon | amiconn: care to give this patch a glance? http://pastebin.com/d6cbfdfd0 |
| 13:02:23 | devurandom | kugel: Well, I can understand that. And I do not want to push you. I would just like to know whether it would make sense to buy one to play a bit with it. And that depends a little bit on whether I will be able to eventually play a little bit of music with it in a few weeks, or not. |
| 13:03:22 | devurandom | (If it is not perfect, I don't mind, as long as I can poke it a bit, and maybe even use it.) |
| 13:04:18 | kugel | It's not in a usable state |
| 13:04:21 | w1ll14m | devurandom: maybe there's information on the wiki about that specific port |
| 13:04:33 | kugel | but you can of course use the OF to play some music |
| 13:04:53 | devurandom | OF=original firmware ? |
| 13:04:57 | w1ll14m | yep |
| 13:05:00 | devurandom | So it's dual boot, I guess? |
| 13:05:24 | kugel | yes |
| 13:05:25 | amiconn | kugel: That wouldn't be possible. PWM needs much more fine-grained timing than tick tasks can provide, and they need it 100% stable |
| 13:06:03 | kugel | ah ok |
| 13:06:11 | devurandom | Ok, I'll have a look at it then. :) |
| 13:06:13 | devurandom | Thanks. :) |
| 13:08:07 | amiconn | Tick tasks are run every 10ms, while PWM uses a 5ms *period*, with 2 interrupts occuring diring this period. The interval between the 2 interrupts is adjusted and can be as short as 50µs (0.05ms) |
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| 13:09:38 | kugel | I see |
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| 13:12:34 | * | JdGordon is annoyed that this patch sometimes introduces a ~200ms pause before redrawing the statusbar on some screens |
| 13:13:37 | * | JdGordon found more statusbar disabling screens! |
| 13:13:43 | JdGordon | full screen debug screens |
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| 13:24:01 | kugel | JdGordon: so I ask you a last time (now that there's some more bar hiding screens): Do you (still) think viewports_set_defaults shouldn't really be able to give a fullscreen viewport/should never ignore bars? |
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| 13:24:11 | JdGordon | hmm... anyone want to test this patch out? otherwise I guess ill just commit and wait for the backlash |
| 13:24:37 | JdGordon | kugel: it DOES give the fullscreen viewport |
| 13:24:56 | JdGordon | if the statusbar is enabled then the full screen is 8 pixels smaller... |
| 13:25:15 | kugel | yea, and if it's hidden, but enabled, you don't get the fullscreen you want |
| 13:25:27 | JdGordon | ? |
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| 13:25:48 | kugel | enabled in the global settings, but hidden for the screen |
| 13:26:23 | kugel | which is exactly why star.c needs to fix the viewports after viewport_set_defaults |
| 13:26:39 | JdGordon | of course.... if you dont want the bar you have to disable it before calling viewports set |
| 13:27:27 | kugel | you mean touching the global settings, just for a single screen? |
| 13:27:51 | kugel | what if you shut down while you're in the screen, that means your statusbar is disabled at the next boot for all screens |
| 13:28:17 | kugel | star.c doesn't disable the bar, it's just not drawn |
| 13:28:49 | JdGordon | no i dont... |
| 13:29:20 | kugel | what do you mean with "disable before" then? |
| 13:29:57 | JdGordon | by calling void viewportmanager_set_statusbar(bool enabled); |
| 13:30:10 | JdGordon | which apart from debug_menu.c is only called once |
| 13:30:12 | kugel | gui_statusbar_height() returns the global settings |
| 13:30:32 | kugel | ah what your patch does |
| 13:30:38 | kugel | I'm at svn |
| 13:30:44 | JdGordon | the penny finally drops! |
| 13:30:52 | kugel | it's not in svn |
| 13:31:16 | JdGordon | ... |
| 13:32:21 | kugel | btw: I think your patch should disable the tick task, or at least return before the if (TIME_AFTER.. if there's no statusbar enabled |
| 13:32:42 | kugel | once your patch is in svn, of course, the question is obsolete |
| 13:34:07 | kugel | anyway, do you commit it now? Then I'll quickly edit the patch (and fix star.c in the run) |
| 13:34:11 | JdGordon | thats not the full patch... |
| 13:35:04 | kugel | ok |
| 13:35:17 | JdGordon | hmm... I tihnk Ill disable the autoredrawing before going into any plugin... that will make things easier |
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| 13:41:29 | kugel | just saying, what you do is basically the same what I did, just in a seperate function |
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| 13:44:12 | JdGordon | hmm... I'm a bit undecided on commiting this... |
| 13:45:58 | kugel | well, you might at least commit the viewportmanager_set_statusbar part |
| 13:47:05 | JdGordon | ... hardly any point... its all or nothing really... it works but im not sure I can be bothered fixing screen glitches it might cause right now |
| 13:48:55 | JdGordon | bugger... the rec screen statusbar handling is wierd and causing problems |
| 13:54:04 | JdGordon | umm... no its not :/ |
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| 14:08:01 | JdGordon | kugel: have a look at that patch ive added to 9603... |
| 14:08:22 | kugel | ok |
| 14:09:07 | kugel | JdGordon: nice! |
| 14:10:14 | JdGordon | now imagine using this to draw a partial-screen WPS along side the menu... |
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| 14:11:09 | kugel | JdGordon: if you've been that clear (and sometimes a patch is clearer than 1000 words), we could've saved the wasteful discussion |
| 14:11:21 | kugel | no question that yours does it bettere |
| 14:11:44 | kugel | if you've been that clear from the start* I mean |
| 14:12:24 | kugel | the "gui_syncstatusbar_draw(&statusbars, false);" around all places always bugged me too |
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| 14:15:13 | JdGordon | that patch adds some drawing glitches so they need to be tracked down |
| 14:16:42 | kugel | I can imagine 250ms isn't enough if the screen changes |
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| 14:17:32 | JdGordon | it entirely depends on how the incoming screen is coded, but 250ms is the upper limit |
| 14:17:37 | JdGordon | going into the menus is instant |
| 14:17:57 | kugel | oh |
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| 14:18:03 | JdGordon | and for some reason the SB is drawn ontop of the logo on boot ! |
| 14:18:41 | JdGordon | the time/date screen is actually the only one ive found with the pause |
| 14:18:47 | kugel | well, the tick task already kicks in during the logo I'd think |
| 14:19:08 | JdGordon | it shouldnt... the order of init should make it impossible |
| 14:19:36 | kugel | I also noticed that that the time&date screen doesn't update the time as it's supposed to be too |
| 14:20:00 | JdGordon | it does here... |
| 14:20:02 | JdGordon | e200 sim |
| 14:21:03 | pixelma | statusbar drawn a bit later than the menu/browser is already visible in current SVN (I notice it quite often when returning from WPS and on Ondio, it is visible on my other targets too but usually not that obvious) |
| 14:21:06 | amiconn | JdGordon: I thought that the new time & date screen also handles time & date setting, but obviously it doesn't |
| 14:21:14 | kugel | hm, it didn't when I looked at it recently |
| 14:21:34 | JdGordon | pixelma: oh ok.. |
| 14:21:38 | amiconn | Time & date setting still uses the old separate screen |
| 14:21:47 | JdGordon | amiconn: ? |
| 14:21:59 | pixelma | JdGordon: maybe your patch makes it worse though ;) |
| 14:22:06 | JdGordon | you mean the actual screen to set the time? |
| 14:22:16 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:22:17 | JdGordon | pixelma: haw haw haw... care to test the patch to find out? |
| 14:22:29 | JdGordon | amiconn: no.. that "coming soon" :p |
| 14:22:55 | amiconn | The status bar is delayed several seconds on hdd targets in some screens when the disk needs to spin up. Rather irritating |
| 14:23:52 | JdGordon | if thats because the main thread is being blocked by ata then this wont change it |
| 14:23:57 | amiconn | Furthermore the whole startup became a bit irritating on slow targets at some point (somewhat longer ago, pre-3.0) |
| 14:23:58 | pixelma | JdGordon: sorry, busy with other stuff currently. But I hoped that this would be fixed one day |
| 14:24:46 | amiconn | Originally the browser (or whatever startup screen is configured) used to replace the logo screen. Now the logo screen is cleared, and the new screen only appears after a fraction of a second |
| 14:25:29 | JdGordon | ... there are so many things loading.. it could really be anything |
| 14:25:47 | JdGordon | icons, filetypes, viewers, colours, wps, config.... |
| 14:25:58 | amiconn | JdGordon: I think it's a matter of call order. Imo the gui should redraw anything that will indicate something is happening *before* entering a potentially blocking function |
| 14:26:11 | JdGordon | sure |
| 14:26:30 | JdGordon | like I said before.. its up to the entering screens coding |
| 14:27:01 | amiconn | Besides, what has loading stuff to do with an irritatingly blank screen? All that's needed is to delay the screen clearing. I suspect there's just an extra clearing which is unnecessary |
| 14:27:41 | amiconn | Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the startup sequence since configurable startup screen got added |
| 14:27:48 | JdGordon | anyway... you OK with a 4 hertz statusbar update? |
| 14:28:07 | amiconn | Imo 2 Hz would be sufficient |
| 14:28:08 | JdGordon | configurable start screen is the very last thing in the startup order |
| 14:28:41 | amiconn | (given that an immediate redraw on activity avoids irritating delays) |
| 14:29:13 | kugel | amiconn: 2Hz would be rather irritating, with regards to volume/playback state changes |
| 14:29:22 | amiconn | No it wouldn't |
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| 14:30:13 | kugel | I think the tick task is supposed to make manual redraws unneeded |
| 14:30:15 | * | amiconn is reminded of his universal indicator idea, which would put the multicolour led on M3 to good use, get rid of special handling of the Player's "status bar", and probably simplify a bunch of other stuff |
| 14:30:26 | kugel | else we could just stick to how it's now |
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| 14:31:13 | amiconn | kugel: Right now the status bar redraws as necessary, which can be much more often than 4 times per second if things like volume change. |
| 14:31:25 | kugel | yes, I know |
| 14:31:35 | JdGordon | even with nothing happening I tihnk its redrawn much more often than that |
| 14:31:43 | amiconn | But if nothing changes, redrawing too often just costs cpu cycles and hence battery power. |
| 14:32:27 | amiconn | JdGordon: Iirc some screens use 2HZ and some use 4HZ right now. But they use button_get_w_tmo(), so redraw more often when buttons are pressed |
| 14:33:02 | amiconn | This behaviour has to stay, otherwise it will become *very* irritating. |
| 14:33:04 | JdGordon | yes, but also, I think the bars are actually redrawn in the list wigdet code also! so it could be drawn more than once per loop |
| 14:33:40 | JdGordon | can you test the patch and see how it feels? |
| 14:33:47 | amiconn | I'm not talking about bars, but about things like plugging/unplugging the charger, changing playback state, or adjusting volume |
| 14:33:48 | JdGordon | last comment in fs#9603 |
| 14:34:22 | * | JdGordon wonders when the topic changed? |
| 14:34:43 | JdGordon | ah.. im tired |
| 14:34:59 | JdGordon | supper then bed... gnite |
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| 14:35:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good night! |
| 14:36:18 | kugel | amiconn: so manually redraw on such events + redraw ever 2Hz? |
| 14:38:04 | n1s | the only thing that change without user activity should be clock/battery level/playback state so 2Hz would be plenty |
| 14:39:09 | kugel | yea, the infos that are displayed should issue redrawing, not all the screens |
| 14:39:37 | kugel | but then you get into trouble again with screens that hide the bar and screen changes |
| 14:43:13 | kugel | there should probably some kind of "screen change manager" which would handle bar draws and fullscreen updates |
| 14:45:18 | JdGordon | you mean the root menu? |
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| 14:46:53 | kugel | if that's involved with all the arbitary screen changes |
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| 16:20:23 | Casainho | hello :-) |
| 16:20:54 | Casainho | is there a way to build the bootloader and using the -g option for GCC, for debug with gdb? |
| 16:21:15 | Casainho | I mean, in the time of ../tools/configure, to create the makefile? |
| 16:21:36 | kugel | you can edit the resulting makefile |
| 16:21:51 | GNUtoo | hello, is there a hardware comparison table for the suported players? that compare things such as battery life,capacity,flash||hdd etc... |
| 16:23:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
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| 16:24:53 | Casainho | kugel: okok :-) I am doing that, however maybe there were an option for do that, since for JTAG debug we must do that... |
| 16:25:43 | GNUtoo | LambdaCalculus37, thanks a lot |
| 16:27:03 | kugel | Casainho: you can also edit configure if you're tired of that |
| 16:27:45 | kugel | I'm not sure, but have you looked if you find something under (A)dvanced build? |
| 16:29:57 | Casainho | kugel: no, I didn't look at it :-) −− I must do that :-) |
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| 18:18:01 | ChAoS_PeNNa_DeLu | hay |
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| 18:18:12 | ChAoS_PeNNa_DeLu | hallo |
| 18:18:22 | ChAoS_PeNNa_DeLu | jemand da? |
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| 18:19:16 | pixelma | this is an English only channel though (and you do yourself a favour if you want help) |
| 18:19:31 | pixelma | ...and patient too... |
| 18:19:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: He took off. |
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| 20:04:45 | shelby | hey can you guys help me with something? i have a folder at / called Music, and in there is,. yea, all my music.... all of it works, but for some reason when i put my pink floyd in there, it dosent show up! weird, its only for pink floyd.... also, i have a folder with some avi movies that dont show up either! what in the hell is going on? |
| 20:05:10 | krazykit | shelby, do they have the "hidden" attribute set? |
| 20:05:25 | shelby | do you mean like '.something' |
| 20:05:25 | shelby | "? |
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| 20:05:45 | shelby | im not sure what you mean by hidden attribute set, but i dont think they do... |
| 20:06:13 | shelby | how could i check that sh*t? |
| 20:06:14 | shelby | lol |
| 20:07:07 | shelby | its really annoying not being able to listen to pink floyd or watch movies... :P |
| 20:07:33 | shelby | its just a normal folder like any of the others.... |
| 20:07:50 | shelby | maybe the dude who made rockbox has something against avi encoded videos and old rock stars |
| 20:08:03 | gevaerts | rockbox does indeed not handle avi |
| 20:08:13 | agaffney | avi isn't an encoding |
| 20:08:17 | agaffney | it's a container format |
| 20:08:34 | * | gevaerts suspects the "view files" setting, or whatever it's called |
| 20:10:12 | gevaerts | shelby: can you check what Settings > General Settings > File View > Show Files is set to? |
| 20:10:28 | shelby | sure:) |
| 20:10:58 | shelby | supported... yikes... |
| 20:11:30 | shelby | i changed it to all |
| 20:11:34 | shelby | and still no pinky |
| 20:11:35 | shelby | :( |
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| 20:13:37 | * | gevaerts doesn't know then |
| 20:13:57 | gevaerts | Maybe a corrupted filesystem☕? |
| 20:15:47 | Llorean | shelby: How did you put the pink floyd music on there, and are you looking for it through "files" or "database"? |
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| 20:23:23 | lilmackie | hey there i'm looking for some help |
| 20:24:12 | krazykit | well, you'll want to ask a question or mention a problem if you want it |
| 20:24:53 | lilmackie | just want to get some feedback on how easy it is to remove the firmware if i want to go back to my stock |
| 20:25:19 | krazykit | which device? |
| 20:25:42 | lilmackie | sansa e200 series |
| 20:25:52 | lilmackie | its actually the e270 but i don't think that matters here |
| 20:26:20 | Llorean | It's just as easy to remove as it is to install. |
| 20:26:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | It doesn't matter. And to answer your question, it's quite easy. |
| 20:26:26 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is too slow |
| 20:26:31 | lilmackie | i know it has a dual boot, but does that mean i have to press the keys to go back into sansa mode every time? |
| 20:26:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
| 20:26:50 | lilmackie | Llorean what do i do to remove it? |
| 20:27:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Use Rockbox Utility. |
| 20:27:47 | lilmackie | is that the installer? |
| 20:28:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's also an uninstaller. |
| 20:28:18 | lilmackie | sweet |
| 20:28:32 | lilmackie | what are the chances ill brick it? >.< that's the only thing i'm really afraid of |
| 20:29:17 | scorche | they are quite hard to brick...worst case scenario, you go through our documented recovery procedure |
| 20:29:20 | Llorean | You can't really brick it. It can require some restoration procedures if you do something like unplugging it during the installation at the wrong time or something |
| 20:30:01 | * | lilmackie sighs |
| 20:30:11 | lilmackie | i feel like a chicken but i just want to be really sure before i do it |
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| 20:32:29 | lilmackie | which do i download, the build or the release? |
| 20:35:54 | scorche | whichever you wish to...they are both "builds", but the latest build is what most of us use, i would imagine |
| 20:36:46 | lilmackie | alright |
| 20:36:47 | lilmackie | thanks a bunch guys |
| 20:36:55 | lilmackie | <3 |
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| 20:37:27 | shelby | grr im getting seriously pissed at rockbox now |
| 20:37:40 | shelby | it wont show my pink floyd, or cypress hill, or any movies..... |
| 20:37:52 | shelby | i dunn o whats wrong but its really, really, reallyreallyreally pissing me off |
| 20:38:00 | scorche | and you are sure you changed the aforementioned setting? |
| 20:38:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | And we already told you that if your movies are AVIs, then they won't show up nor work. |
| 20:39:16 | scorche | well, they will show up in the file browser |
| 20:42:15 | Llorean | shelby: I may have missed your answer. |
| 20:42:19 | Llorean | How'd you put the album on there? |
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| 20:47:58 | shelby | i just put the music in the music folder... im sorry but thats just it |
| 20:47:59 | shelby | lol |
| 20:48:09 | shelby | well the avis i can handle |
| 20:48:15 | shelby | fine, but the music... jeez.... |
| 20:48:23 | Llorean | shelby: I said "how" not "where". As in, did you use a file manager, a sync program, or what? |
| 20:48:37 | shelby | i used the gnome file manager.... |
| 20:48:51 | Llorean | And you've changed "file view" to all? |
| 20:48:53 | scorche | and you are sure you changed the aforementioned setting?...and that you are looking in "files" and not using the database? |
| 20:48:58 | shelby | yessir |
| 20:49:21 | Llorean | There were three questions, was that to all three? |
| 20:49:55 | Llorean | Well, I guess two questions since one was redundant. |
| 20:49:55 | scorche | though 2 of those 3 were the same |
| 20:50:01 | shelby | i changed file view to all, i know the music is on there because when you plug it in it shows up in the music directory, and yes, im looking in files.... |
| 20:50:24 | Llorean | shelby: "Files" when it's set to "all" shows the exact same folders and files as visible on the PC in MSC mode. |
| 20:50:34 | shelby | right |
| 20:50:37 | scorche | shelby: and are you sure you unmounted cleanly? |
| 20:50:45 | shelby | yu−− no.... |
| 20:50:50 | shelby | i just unplugged it |
| 20:50:50 | shelby | lol |
| 20:51:00 | * | scorche ahems |
| 20:51:17 | shelby | :P okay let me try that one more time.... |
| 20:51:31 | shelby | can i install avi support or something? |
| 20:51:33 | shelby | jw... |
| 20:51:44 | Llorean | "avi" isn't a format. |
| 20:51:53 | scorche | no...and as we said before, there is no such thing as "avi support"...it is just a container |
| 20:51:58 | Llorean | It's just a container, there are many, probably dozens, of things it can have in it. |
| 20:52:04 | shelby | oh, alright... |
| 20:52:05 | shelby | hmmm |
| 20:52:08 | shelby | i never knew that! lol |
| 20:52:20 | shelby | onemmore thing... can i compile code written in C to work in rockbox? |
| 20:52:25 | Llorean | And you'd need to convert your files to match the screen size anyway. |
| 20:53:10 | scorche | of course...keep in mind though that rockbox is not POSIX compatible, does not have a general malloc, and is in fixed point...you may want to check out the "for developers" section in the documentation index |
| 20:53:21 | shelby | alright... lol |
| 20:53:33 | shelby | you guys are really helpful, thanks a lot |
| 20:56:34 | shelby | me an taylor gonna hotbox my cellar lol |
| 20:56:39 | shelby | oops... wrong window... lol |
| 20:56:54 | shelby | i believe that is known as a FAIL.... |
| 20:57:46 | shelby | ima go now... thanks again guys |
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| 21:30:39 | casainho | hello :-) −− I am getting an error: /home/cas/Documentos/rockbox_player/rockbox/firmware/panic.c:51: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘disable_fiq’ |
| 21:30:39 | kugel | \o/ |
| 21:30:53 | * | kugel got a more reliable wheel |
| 21:30:55 | casainho | can someone help me? |
| 21:31:06 | kugel | Zagor: I think your usb_detect commit broke the fuze |
| 21:31:30 | kugel | casainho: that's a warning, not an error |
| 21:31:44 | Zagor | kugel: regardning your FS #9584 report: the diff statistics is simply the output of "diffstat". if you feel it is buggy a report is better aimed there. |
| 21:31:57 | Zagor | kugel: really? what happens? |
| 21:32:10 | kugel | it boots with the usb inserted logo |
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| 21:32:41 | kugel | casainho: I suggest looking existing targets to find out what disable_fiq exactly is |
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| 21:32:52 | casainho | kugel: do you think that warning will not give any trouble? |
| 21:33:09 | kugel | I don't dare to predict that |
| 21:33:19 | kugel | but if it compiles it's worth a try ;) |
| 21:34:10 | fml | kugel: hello. Have you thought more about the general font cache? The more I think about it the more I get to the opinion that we need to implement a rather general memory management algorithm operating on the given buffer. |
| 21:34:27 | casainho | kugel: it do not compile :-( −− this error: rockbox/firmware/panic.c:54: error: ‘HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 21:35:13 | fml | The buffer should also contain the index and the info needed for LRU (if the LRU is really needed, which I'm not sure of). |
| 21:35:34 | Zagor | kugel: ok, sounds like it is active high there then. can you try simply inverting the check (remove the !) and test? |
| 21:36:18 | kugel | Zagor: it boots the of if r1 != 0 |
| 21:36:30 | * | kugel 's reading dualboot.S |
| 21:36:47 | kugel | so yes, high indicates USB |
| 21:37:20 | fml | Zagor: hi! Would it be possible to make a switch in the FS viewer to show/hide the patch stats in the comments? Sometimes they are too many and it's hard to read the comments. |
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| 21:37:44 | Zagor | hmm, how does it work for clip then |
| 21:38:06 | Zagor | fml: not without considerable effort, I'm afraid. |
| 21:38:23 | kugel | Zagor: no idea |
| 21:38:35 | fml | Zagor: can't that be done by just redefining the CSS? |
| 21:38:42 | Zagor | oh, I have a guess. checking... |
| 21:38:48 | kugel | did you make sure it boots the OF with usb inserted, but boots rockbox without USB? |
| 21:39:04 | Zagor | fml: a switch requires at least some javascript |
| 21:39:32 | kugel | Zagor: other than that, you're missing setting GPIOA_DIR, which might give unpredictable results |
| 21:39:35 | Zagor | and I expect those who disable it want it to stay disabled, hence requring either cookies or modified database schema |
| 21:40:11 | fml | Zagor: yes. If I'd provide the script, would you include it? Is it possible at all? |
| 21:40:48 | kugel | casainho: have you already implemented interrupts? I guess so |
| 21:40:54 | Zagor | fml: I might, if it is cleanly done |
| 21:41:12 | casainho | kugel: no, I think |
| 21:41:15 | kugel | casainho: again, I highly recommend looking at existing code, that's likely to give you a clue |
| 21:41:26 | casainho | I already looked |
| 21:41:26 | kugel | casainho: didn't you say you have a tick task running? |
| 21:42:25 | casainho | kugel: no, I don't have it. I started again to creat a new port, and now the code do not builds.. it's the first time I am getting this errors |
| 21:43:03 | kugel | casainho: what file did you include? |
| 21:43:12 | kugel | system-target.h or what? |
| 21:43:37 | fml | Zagor: ok. I'll try and if I'll like it I'll provide the code to you |
| 21:43:44 | kugel | if you include system-arm.h you should be getting the macros and symbols you need |
| 21:43:48 | Zagor | fml: ok |
| 21:43:57 | kugel | but don't sue me if it doesn't work for your specific port |
| 21:45:20 | casainho | kugel: yes, system-arm.h, looks like is waht is missing, however I don't know why is missing |
| 21:46:09 | kugel | '#include "system-arm.h"'? |
| 21:46:50 | casainho | kugel: this erros apears when building kernel.c.... |
| 21:46:58 | kugel | casainho: actually, if I got this right, you're only supposed to include system.h, not all the others system-*.h's, except for some situations |
| 21:47:44 | kugel | casainho: so you have that included? |
| 21:48:00 | kugel | just a wild guess: did you define ARM_ARCH for your target? |
| 21:48:11 | casainho | kugel: I didn't include any of that files. I just included kernel.h and after do kernel_init() |
| 21:48:26 | casainho | kugel: where do I define that? :-) |
| 21:48:48 | kugel | config.h I think |
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| 21:49:03 | kugel | i.e. firmware/export/config.h |
| 21:50:15 | kugel | jhMikeS, amiconn: ping |
| 21:50:33 | creamycenter2003 | the latest rockbox installer (rbutilqt 1.0.8) is asking me for mingwm10.dll |
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| 21:50:58 | casainho | kugel: yes, I did: #if defined(CPU_TCC77X) || defined(CPU_TCC780X) || (CONFIG_CPU == DM320) || (CONFIG_CPU == AT91SAM9260) #define ARM_ARCH 5 /* ARMv5 */ |
| 21:51:45 | kugel | and you defined that cpu for your target too? |
| 21:53:06 | casainho | kugel: yes, I think: #define AT91SAM9260 9260, on config.h |
| 21:53:56 | kugel | casainho: ok, it was a wild guess |
| 21:54:32 | kugel | casainho: You should probably inserted some #warning here and there to make sure the code you want to use is actually compiled |
| 21:54:53 | pixelma | creamycenter2003: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9711 |
| 21:55:07 | casainho | kugel: but the problem should be something about the kernel files, because I am getting this errors: implicit declaration of function ‘enable_irq’ |
| 21:55:21 | kugel | casainho: yes I understand |
| 21:55:36 | kugel | and you don't have system-arm.h included for some reason I don't know |
| 21:56:14 | casainho | kugel: strange be cause I just checkedout the source.... |
| 21:57:01 | kugel | casainho: ok I think I know what's the problem |
| 21:57:12 | casainho | :-) |
| 21:57:16 | casainho | what? :-) |
| 21:57:19 | kugel | do you have created a system-target.h in your target tree? |
| 21:57:28 | casainho | yes, I did |
| 21:58:03 | kugel | what's in there? |
| 21:58:21 | * | Zagor adds a note about mingwm10.dll to the front page |
| 21:58:24 | kugel | it should have nothing but '#include "system-arm"' |
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| 21:58:44 | pixelma | Zagor: good idea |
| 21:59:26 | * | pixelma should put it in the wiki too |
| 21:59:36 | casainho | kugel: this: http://pastebin.com/m3f131db |
| 21:59:51 | creamycenter2003 | pixelma: thanks, do you know if it is related to Quicktime? i see QT mentioned in some of the fora, and i do not have it installed |
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| 22:00:21 | kugel | casainho: that one looks weird, what's all that stuff? |
| 22:01:14 | pixelma | creamycenter2003: no, you don't need this. It's for building the Rockbox Utility, you shouldn't need to care about that as a user (and it's not quicktime) |
| 22:01:15 | ender` | creamycenter2003: the talk is about the Qt toolkit, not QuickTime |
| 22:01:31 | creamycenter2003 | ok, thanks' |
| 22:01:32 | casainho | kugel: eheh - I took it from other sources, I was hoping to use it for my code... |
| 22:01:51 | creamycenter2003 | there are too many recursive abbreviations out there! LOL |
| 22:01:58 | casainho | kugel: so, I should clean it and put there the #include system-arm.h? |
| 22:02:08 | kugel | casainho: try that, yes |
| 22:02:38 | casainho | kugel: your name is Kugel in Austrian? |
| 22:02:49 | kugel | :? |
| 22:04:55 | kugel | keanu: ping |
| 22:05:05 | keanu | kugel, pong |
| 22:05:36 | * | kugel might finally five Zagor's watermark patch a try now that he's got a acceptable scroll wheeöl |
| 22:05:41 | casainho | kugel: it did buils, almost everything, at least the kernel.c :-) −−- I am just being listening in my work of the word "kugel", we have a client in Austria... |
| 22:06:05 | Zagor | kugel: I'll just commit a fixed usb-as3525.c so you can boot :-) |
| 22:06:08 | kugel | casainho: well, kugel is a common German word |
| 22:06:26 | casainho | kugel: ah :-) okok :-) |
| 22:06:41 | casainho | kugel: thank you - you are my hero of today ;-) |
| 22:06:55 | kugel | no problem :) |
| 22:06:58 | casainho | I will continue now building the code ;-) - thanks |
| 22:07:13 | kugel | keanu: might try a better scrollwheel? |
| 22:07:30 | keanu | in a little bit - busy at the moment |
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| 22:18:40 | Zagor | kugel: can you try the new commit on your fuze? |
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| 22:25:37 | Torne | w1ll14m_, linuxstb: well, i implemented the boot-from-osos bootloader change. seems to work, and it saves at least five seconds on boot for me.. (not timed it very accurately) |
| 22:25:43 | Torne | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9730 |
| 22:27:02 | kugel | Zagor: sure, wait a second |
| 22:28:48 | linuxstb | Torne: Is that 5 seconds compared to retailos in the firmware partition, or just the Rockbox bootloader in the firmware partition (and loading rockbox.ipod from disk) ? |
| 22:29:32 | Zagor | I didn't know ipods were so slow to boot |
| 22:30:11 | linuxstb | By default, they load about 5MB of OF into RAM from disk first, which Rockbox then discards (unless dual-booting). |
| 22:30:14 | kugel | Zagor: before I try, I might add that gpio a3 apparently shared with the lcd somehow which sets that to output, that could possibly lead to problems |
| 22:30:41 | kugel | on the fuze |
| 22:30:54 | Zagor | yikes |
| 22:31:20 | Zagor | does our fuze lcd driver change that pin? |
| 22:33:06 | Torne | linuxstb: compared to loading rockbox from disk |
| 22:33:14 | kugel | Zagor: at init, yes |
| 22:33:14 | Zagor | whee, red build for m200v4 boot |
| 22:33:27 | Torne | linuxstb: retailos is stupidly slow to boot wherever you load it from :) |
| 22:33:33 | kugel | it sets it ;) |
| 22:33:46 | kugel | Zagor: your commit works nevertheless |
| 22:34:10 | Torne | linuxstb: and retail is 7.3MB for ipodvideo, compared to 611K for rockbox |
| 22:34:18 | Torne | so it loads less than a tenth of the data |
| 22:34:20 | casainho | B4gder: are you there? |
| 22:34:26 | B4gder | I am |
| 22:34:27 | kugel | apparently the lcd needs it only once at init, that it should be fine |
| 22:35:43 | casainho | B4gder: don't know if you can, but, I did make a patch: http://pastebin.com/m4159da79 −− but I am getting an error witout sense: |
| 22:36:00 | kugel | Zagor, B4gder: What do you think about adding the ams sansas to the build table? |
| 22:36:02 | Torne | linuxstb: it should preserve all existing behaviour, and if rockbox.ipod exists on disk it loads that rather than the one in osos |
| 22:36:13 | kugel | the main builds that is |
| 22:36:17 | Torne | linuxstb: so if you upgrade rockbox the normal way you do get the new version :) |
| 22:36:18 | B4gder | kugel: sounds like a good idea |
| 22:36:21 | Zagor | kugel: what happens if you remove that? |
| 22:36:35 | casainho | B4gder: /firmware/target/arm/at91sam/rockboxplayerlittle/crt0.S:(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `reset_handler' |
| 22:36:39 | kugel | Zagor: from the lcfd? |
| 22:36:44 | Zagor | kugel: yea |
| 22:36:48 | * | kugel tries |
| 22:36:52 | linuxstb | Torne: I remember seeing a very noticable speedup when replacing retailos with the Rockbox bootloader, so I'm surprised you get a further 5 seconds - IIRC, the total boot time was down to about 6 or 7 seconds. |
| 22:37:03 | kugel | it's basically what the of does though |
| 22:37:03 | linuxstb | (I think I tested on an ipod Photo) |
| 22:37:17 | Torne | Oh, sorry, i don't mean compared to just having hte rockbox bootloader |
| 22:37:40 | Torne | i mean comparing retail+bootloader -> rockbox.ipod, to rockbox+loader |
| 22:37:50 | Torne | it's probably not a big difference compared to just using the bootloader |
| 22:38:04 | linuxstb | Torne: That's what I was saying earlier - hence me wondering why you are bothering to do this... |
| 22:38:05 | Torne | not tried that, as it honestly didn't occur to me :) |
| 22:38:08 | Torne | ah |
| 22:38:12 | B4gder | casainho: well it means you get the symbol twice, why is that no sense? |
| 22:38:12 | Torne | i missed what you meant |
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| 22:38:59 | casainho | yes, it makes sense BUT I don't have it twice!! that same code did build before... |
| 22:39:01 | Torne | linuxstb: i guess whether it speeds that up or not depends how efficient the apple rom is at loading compared to the rb loader |
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| 22:39:25 | kugel | casainho: tick tasks don't work without interrupts |
| 22:39:26 | B4gder | casainho: well, apparently something has changed... |
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| 22:40:01 | casainho | kugel: what you mean? I am missing some code? - what should I do? |
| 22:40:02 | horned_reaper | hi |
| 22:40:13 | casainho | kugel: what you mean? I am missing some code? - what should I do? |
| 22:40:17 | linuxstb | Torne: Sorry if I wasn't clear earlier. I don't have any ipods with me at the moment - can you do a comparison? |
| 22:40:48 | kugel | casainho: I'm not really in the moods to explain interrupts right now |
| 22:40:49 | Torne | i can do but not right now, my other half will get annoyed if i keep walking in front of him playing halo to plug and unplug my ipod from my dev box :) |
| 22:40:53 | Torne | i'll try it later |
| 22:40:54 | casainho | kugel: can you please try build that code? |
| 22:41:17 | * | kugel is in mood for that even less |
| 22:41:36 | casainho | kugel: yes, I know the interrupts... I will seach better... because I already did some code for interrupts |
| 22:41:42 | kugel | Zagor: lcd seems to work |
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| 22:42:27 | Torne | linuxstb: i was biased by having already read the thread with the other guy who tried this, i think, otherwise i should've realised what you meant :) |
| 22:42:33 | kugel | I'm not sure if it's related to your commits (I don't think so), but I get lcd weirdnesses again |
| 22:42:34 | Zagor | kugel: good |
| 22:42:49 | casainho | kugel: I did the __timer_register, unregister and __timer_set |
| 22:43:07 | linuxstb | Torne: What thread? |
| 22:43:10 | Zagor | kugel: try commenting out usb_init_device() and see if it makes a difference |
| 22:43:22 | Torne | linuxstb: some guy on the forums did it by just replacing hte code that loads rockbox from disk |
| 22:43:24 | kugel | I got those too before you committed the GPIOA_DIR change, so I doubt that's related |
| 22:43:32 | Zagor | ok |
| 22:43:34 | Torne | linuxstb: i.e. breaking the ability to load rockbox.ipod normally |
| 22:43:53 | kugel | I'm gonna try some revisions, I actually didn't touch my fuze since before christmas |
| 22:43:57 | Torne | linuxstb: i've just done the same thing but backward-compatibly |
| 22:45:56 | kugel | Zagor: before you do anything in the lcd driver, that it still works doesn't necessarily mean anything since I didn't update the bootloader |
| 22:46:32 | Zagor | kugel: I wont touch that until I can test it personally |
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| 22:48:48 | kugel | I guessed so :) |
| 22:52:44 | kugel | hmm, a fuze build shouldn't fail because of a missing #include in serial.c, should it? |
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| 22:53:45 | kugel | or, maybe it should (I thought this file was added with IAP) |
| 22:54:33 | Zagor | new clips are coming with single-color screens: http://www.sansa.com/players/sansa_clip/gallery |
| 22:54:48 | Zagor | I wonder what else has changed |
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| 23:02:27 | B4gder | clip v2s have much larger OF images than v1 it seems |
| 23:02:39 | kugel | Unhelpful: ping! |
| 23:02:59 | kugel | Unhelpful: Not sure how, but r19692 somehow broke my fuze's display |
| 23:04:52 | pixelma | r19692? |
| 23:05:32 | gartral | howed you obtain a build from the future...? |
| 23:05:47 | kugel | I mean r19592, sorry |
| 23:06:55 | Zagor | kugel: clip and fuze added to build table |
| 23:07:02 | Zagor | fuze is yellow |
| 23:07:49 | kugel | Zagor: yea, I'm going to fix that with the button driver work |
| 23:08:13 | linuxstb | Zagor: I think funman said that the clip v2 has a slightly different AMS SoC, plus 8MB RAM. |
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| 23:09:34 | creamycenter2003 | question, rockbox on the ipod nano, it powers off fine, but how do you get it to turn back on? |
| 23:10:09 | fml | Zagor: ping |
| 23:10:42 | Zagor | fml: pong |
| 23:10:46 | gartral | creamycenter2003: have you hit play? |
| 23:10:54 | linuxstb | creamycenter2003: You should just need to press either the middle or menu buttons. If they don't work, try holding them both together (to force a reset). |
| 23:11:16 | gartral | he wants to turn it on, not off |
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| 23:11:34 | linuxstb | gartral: Yes, I know. |
| 23:12:12 | fml | Zagor: here's ma take at toggling the diff stats in FS viewer. Place the script http://pastebin.ca/1296670 somewhere (directly in the page or in a linked .js file) and then add a button or something that calls the function "toggleDisp()". |
| 23:12:39 | fml | I did it like this: <span onclick="toggleDisp()">Toggle style!</span> but it can be done in a different way |
| 23:12:42 | bertrik | cool to read that the clip and fuze are now on the build table. I kind of like the dual-color clip screen, pity it's a single-color screen with new clips |
| 23:12:55 | Zagor | I wonder where to get a clip v2. not even shopsansa.com seems to sell them. |
| 23:13:28 | creamycenter2003 | huh, well now it works |
| 23:13:52 | bertrik | there was a forum post with some info about the chip numbers of the v2 clips IIRC |
| 23:13:55 | creamycenter2003 | earlier it brought up the Safe to unplug dialogue, even though it wasnt plugged into |
| 23:14:08 | fml | Zagor: the script works with Mozilla 3. I have not tested it with other browsers but if they don't support some properties nothing should happen (it's programmed in a defensive way) |
| 23:14:29 | linuxstb | creamycenter2003: It will do that if you hold select+play together as it turns on. |
| 23:14:54 | Zagor | fml: it needs cookie support. turning it off for just a single view of a single page is rather pointless. |
| 23:15:55 | fml | Zagor: hmm... you're right. But that was just a proof of concept. I didn't know for sure if it's possible at all. |
| 23:18:32 | Zagor | bertrik: do you remember anything more to search for? I can't find such a post. |
| 23:19:02 | gartral | http://www.buy.com/retail/usersearchresults.asp?querytype=home&qu=sansa+clip&qxt=home&display=col <−− a mix of v1s and 2s |
| 23:19:16 | gartral | clip v1s and 2s* excuse me |
| 23:20:22 | Zagor | gartral: where do you see a v2? |
| 23:20:26 | bertrik | Zagor, it's the latest post in the sansa v2 forum thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg141609#msg141609 |
| 23:20:47 | Zagor | bertrik: thanks |
| 23:21:12 | gartral | i thought the v2s had the shiney screen |
| 23:21:30 | gartral | im sorry |
| 23:22:04 | Zagor | gartral: from the pictures on sansa.com the telltale sign seems to be that v2 has a uniform-colored display. no more split yellow/blue. |
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| 23:24:26 | gartral | thanks, ill keep looking |
| 23:24:55 | _Auron_ | split yellow/blue? |
| 23:25:49 | Zagor | _Auron_: http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/sandisk_sansa_clip.jpg |
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| 23:26:10 | bertrik | _Auron_, yes, it's basically a 'monochrome' OLED display where the top 16 lines are yellow, then some empty lines and the rest is blue |
| 23:26:22 | _Auron_ | oh weird |
| 23:26:34 | _Auron_ | guess they did that to save on power |
| 23:27:04 | bertrik | I don't think so, I think it's done so they can give the status bar a different color |
| 23:27:28 | _Auron_ | meant the monochrome bit, not specifically the color |
| 23:29:52 | gartral | lol, are we sure there selling these yet? |
| 23:32:17 | bertrik | I wonder if the single-color is a mock-up and if the real clip v2 actually have a single-color display |
| 23:32:35 | Zagor | bertrik: that thought crossed my mind too |
| 23:32:57 | gartral | its right |
| 23:32:58 | gartral | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35597 |
| 23:33:08 | gartral | third photo down |
| 23:33:23 | gartral | fourth |
| 23:34:10 | scorche | fifth? ;) |
| 23:34:28 | gartral | ok, ok, there loading bassackward on my comp |
| 23:35:39 | B4gder | 90 builds now... |
| 23:35:52 | Zagor | does anyone have a v1 with this "flower" logo on the back? http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6910/clipv2logonm1.jpg |
| 23:36:00 | B4gder | any takers on guessing when we hit 100? ;-) |
| 23:36:09 | Zagor | gartral: thanks btw. good to get that cleared up. |
| 23:36:58 | Zagor | odd that they market the thing using so very wrong images |
| 23:37:30 | gartral | Zagor: np, only 3 discrepencies disscussed are; 1. brighter OLED screen. 2.new logos on both front and back. and 3. "better" plastics |
| 23:37:58 | * | amiconn reminds Bagder of the speculative parallel build idea |
| 23:38:19 | Zagor | gartral: the front "sansa" logo is not v2 though. my v1 has it. |
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| 23:38:26 | B4gder | yeah, the idea is as fine as ever... |
| 23:38:28 | bertrik | my v1 clip says "sandisk 1 gb" on the location of the flower |
| 23:38:45 | gartral | but the font has changed |
| 23:39:30 | Zagor | gartral: ah, true. the 's'-es are a little rounder |
| 23:40:00 | Zagor | bertrik: yeah, mine too. looks like there may actually be an external visual cue this time... |
| 23:41:34 | gartral | having a 32" monitor helps.... somtimes |
| 23:41:36 | Zagor | uh, no. at least one person claims he got a v1 with the flower logo. |
| 23:42:18 | gartral | well... my e250 standard has the rhpsody back... so, thats not uncommon |
| 23:43:14 | Zagor | I know. but it's annoying. |
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| 23:44:30 | RockRabbit | Is there a command line tool in Linux to copy vorbis tags on flac files over to wave files? I have converted my flac files to wave, but the tags are lost. |
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| 23:44:48 | gartral | true, i flipped out after trying to patch the BL failed 3 times with the rhapsody instrutions before i just tryed installing rockbox, and it worked |
| 23:47:17 | kugel | Zagor: I think I have an acceptable button driver in a few minutes |
| 23:47:27 | Zagor | nice |
| 23:47:46 | kugel | still no irq for the wheel, but it's surprisingly well anyhow |
| 23:48:16 | gartral | RockRabbit: why convert from flac, anyway? |
| 23:48:21 | kugel | well, only home button missing, needs more investigation |
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| 23:53:26 | Torne | linuxstb: ok, it's a bit fiddly to time by hand.. but it looks to me like it is faster to do it my way :) |
| 23:53:39 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: for a few minutes |
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| 23:54:06 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: 'The usb serial implementation doesn't seem complete enough to be usable from Windows.' -> what does this mean? |
| 23:54:18 | Torne | linuxstb: replacing appleos+loader with just loader takes off about 400ms, but replacing it with rockbox+loader takes off about 900ms |
| 23:54:57 | Torne | linuxstb: if that's accurate it would imply the disk reading code in the apple rom is faster than the code in the rb loader :) |
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| 23:55:58 | Torne | linuxstb: all subject to unfortunate variance from my reaction time, though |
| 23:56:15 | Torne | linuxstb: i think my estimate of 5 seconds before was a bit optimistic :) |
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| 23:56:27 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: just that :). Basically it just implements one bulk in and one bulk out endpoint, which is enough to make linux talk to it. A complete implementation also needs some control commands and (maybe, I don't remember) an interrupt endpoint, and windows seems to depend on those being present |
| 23:56:53 | gevaerts | IIRC bertrik worked on it a while ago, but I don't know/remember how far he got |
| 23:57:01 | mcuelenaere | hmm ok, so how's Windows supposed to react on the current implementation? |
| 23:57:42 | gevaerts | I think it recognizes it, starts installing the driver, and then decides that it doesn't work |
| 23:58:28 | mcuelenaere | I get the standard 'the USB device doesn't get recognized' |
| 23:58:39 | mcuelenaere | eh isn't recognized* |
| 23:58:59 | * | gevaerts digs deep in his memory |
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