#rockbox 2009-01-01

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#rockbox log for 2009-01-01

00:00:05	DerDome	Happy New Year
00:01:34	jhMikeS	+R = boosted, "9 9" and "10 10" means it's bring the priority up. It should stay "16 16" unless the PCM buffer starts getting low.
00:01:52	kugel	it's never at 16
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00:06:28	Zagor	I see a lot more +R when playing mp3, oddly enough
00:07:11	Zagor	and I'm constantly at 92% for codec thread
00:07:41	Zagor	it's appears our builds differ substantially
00:07:51	jhMikeS	MP3 uses most of the stack. it used to use more before dual core.
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00:08:04	Zagor	aha
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00:17:01	Zagor	well, obviously there is some boosting left I haven't slashed yet. thank you for testing, kugel.
00:19:24	saratoga	92% for mp3 decode is normal with the cop patch
00:19:50	Zagor	saratoga: ok, good
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00:28:57	saratoga	http://build.rockbox.org/ should probably be updated to not mention "rockbox 3.0"
00:29:20	B4gder	oh
00:29:37	Zagor	jhMikeS: when is thread->priority lowered? what should I be looking for?
00:30:36	B4gder	it does now!
00:31:42	B4gder	or is it doesn't?
00:32:08	jhMikeS	Zagor: If more than 1/2 second of PCM is buffered.
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00:33:30	jhMikeS	lower number = higher priority btw
00:33:58	Zagor	jhMikeS: ahh, I thought it was some magic by kernel/thread.c
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00:34:39	IudeX	All the best to everyone!!!
00:35:09	Zagor	that shouldn't really happen though. the patch changes the threshold to 1/4s and that shouldn't happen except in edge cases
00:35:14	jhMikeS	The only magic there is priority inheritance with mutexes and synchronous messages
00:35:26	Zagor	jhMikeS: good
00:35:51	IudeX	Aren't you drinking today? :) I see you are wornink.
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00:35:58	IudeX	working ;]
00:36:26	Zagor	and boost_codec_thread() is called at the same time as trigger_cpu_boost. yet we get low prio but no boost !?
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00:37:40	Zagor	IudeX: why choose either/or?
00:38:26	jhMikeS	If you're seeing +R the trigger_cpu_boost was registered. Are you saying it's not showing?
00:39:11	Zagor	jhMikeS: I'm seeing it sometimes for mp3 but never for flac. yet kugel says he gets worse behaviour from flac than mp3.
00:39:25	IudeX	Does anyone know where is funman? :)
00:39:34	saratoga	hes off for the winter
00:40:04	saratoga	wow some of the svn themes are quite broken on the sansa lately
00:40:05	Zagor	but I get 9-10 prio for flac too
00:40:19	saratoga	flac should never boost
00:40:39	Zagor	probably the debug menu is simply too slow to show boost reliably
00:41:42	jhMikeS	Zagor: strange. flac really doesn't boost for me right now (even with tone controls)
00:41:43	Zagor	saratoga: then I wonder why kugel claims he gets worse gui lagginess from flac than mp3
00:42:15	jhMikeS	I'm talking unpatched though
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00:43:38	casainho	hello :-)
00:43:43	casainho	happy new year!!! :-)
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00:44:52	Zagor	jhMikeS: I actually see some boosting on flac with svn
00:45:10	Zagor	yet it always stays at prio 16
00:45:49	Zagor	and buffering thread screen claims 0% boost ratio
00:45:53	saratoga	if you scroll a lot on most arm targets will have to boost, since scrolling takes a lot of CPU power
00:46:08	saratoga	the buffering screen also uses quite a bit of CPU power too
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00:46:57	Baw	i just came to thank whoever for adding scaling album art support
00:47:00	Baw	hurrrray!
00:47:10	Zagor	saratoga: yeah, that could be it. I'm primarily looking at the OS Threads screen.
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00:47:28	Zagor	the odd thing is that with my patch I get lower prio but not more boost.
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00:48:04	kugel	Zagor: probably exactly because it doesn't boot
00:48:06	kugel	boost
00:48:22	Baw	o.O
00:48:57	Zagor	kugel: the code boosts and changes prio in the same function. one shouldn't happen without the other.
00:49:10	kugel	I don't get more boosts, nor less. Something apparently keeps it busy
00:52:07	jhMikeS	Something must be preventing it from calling boost_codec_thread with "false"
00:53:30	kugel	for mp3 codec is "9 9 92%"
00:54:08	jhMikeS	I think the normal watermark has to be higher than the critical one
00:55:20	Zagor	jhMikeS: normal watermark?
00:55:22	jhMikeS	or you need to be sure once it's high enough that pcmbuf_under_watermark gets called with false
00:56:29	jhMikeS	PCMBUF_WATERMARK is 2-seconds currently and the critical point starts at 1/2 second (where it increases priority)
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00:57:21	jhMikeS	In which case pcmbuf_under_watermark gets called in between and boost_codec_thread gets called with false
00:58:02	Zagor	in svn, yes. in my patch the watermark is moved to 0.25 seconds. ah, but the boost_codec_thread() check is always true...
00:58:27	jhMikeS	yeah, once it gets passed the watermark, no more calls are made to return it to normal
00:58:30	Zagor	I really dislike all those hardcoded time limits sprinkled throughout the code
00:59:20	Zagor	exactly. and at the start of the first track you are always under the watermark.
00:59:26	saratoga	how'd ever want to run this bag of shit on anything but an archos anyway?
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01:00:54	Baw	is there any way to use iPod docks that use apple protocol with rockbox?
01:01:20	Baw	i tried booting into the apple fw then rebooting into rockbox so it would be connected first but i still hear no sound from the dock
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01:04:34	CaptainKewl	there's no way to do synchronous callbacks in plugin menus?
01:05:04	Zagor	CaptainKewl: everything is synchronous unless you unsync it yourself
01:09:48	CaptainKewl	I'm rendering stuff in a while() loop and then inside the loop I call menu_show() which, if I'm reading this right, does its own thing till there's input.
01:10:05	CaptainKewl	I'd like to be able to render stuff while the menu is up.
01:10:37	Zagor	that means you want to do things _a_syncronously, i.e. without waiting for the call to return
01:10:48	Zagor	you can do that by creating a thread
01:10:59	CaptainKewl	aha, thanks for the correction.
01:11:20	CaptainKewl	okay, I'll look into that. thanks.
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01:12:15	aata	hey can anyone help me out ive got mac formatted ipod wanna install rb on it
01:12:39	aata	but i dont have access to a windows comp how do i make it a winpod from osx?
01:13:15	saratoga	check the wiki, theres a guide to reformatting it there
01:13:20	saratoga	i think its even linked from the manual
01:13:43	saratoga	yes, got the wps update disable patch to work without breaking alternating lines
01:13:44	aata	saratoga yeah but the ipod goes into infinite reboot mode after the dd command
01:14:15	aata	and i just end up having to do the whole thing over
01:14:32	aata	but it still doesnt work
01:14:45	aata	???
01:15:36	aata	saratoga any ideas?
01:16:38	Llorean	aata: Follow the instructions more carefully, because they do work if you do them right. Figure out where you're doing them wrong, and ask for help at that point?
01:17:15	aata	llorean i followed them perfectly unmounted and everything
01:17:28	aata	but the problem comes when you dd to the mbr
01:17:31	Llorean	aata: If you followed them perfectly, you would not have the problem you do.
01:17:42	aata	and it goes berzerk it doesnt stop restarting!
01:17:46	saratoga	i've updated fs#8523
01:17:55	saratoga	it works for me
01:18:01	saratoga	though it'd be nice if someone could look at it
01:18:25	saratoga	the fix is really simple, i just reset the counters before halting wps updates
01:18:30	aata	well ok ill try it again but im pretty sure nothings gonna happen
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01:19:09	Llorean	aata: Don't try doing the exact same thing again. If you're doing it wrong, doing it wrong again won't help. Reread it, and ask questions if there's anything you're even a little unclear on
01:23:32	Zagor	new watermark patch in FS #9703, fixing the stuck elevated priority.
01:26:27	*	gevaerts grumbles a bit
01:26:43	gevaerts	I've just done a built with the previous one!
01:26:55	gevaerts	svn stat
01:29:11	kugel	good luck with the watermarks, I'm off
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01:40:09	linuxstb	aata: You probably need to force it into disk mode (hold SELECT+PLAY) whilst it is doing the restarting.
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05:42:32	MOHDMACH	Hello
05:46:04	MOHDMACH	Is there a way to create a WPS that is similar to the original apple firmware's WPS
05:46:11	MOHDMACH	?
05:46:48	MOHDMACH	I have searched and cannot find any specifics on how to accomplish this.
05:47:04	FOAD	It's bloody new year's eve, have a drink.
05:47:45	MOHDMACH	Do you mean to contact you on another day?
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05:50:53	scorche\|sh	MOHDMACH: in what way?
05:51:43	MOHDMACH	I'm sorry I do not understand your question.
05:52:32	scorche\|sh	in what way did you want it to be similar?
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05:53:50	MOHDMACH	In the way the progress bar slides over and the volume bar appears while you adjust the volume or touch the scroll pad and disappears when you take your finger off the scroll pad.
05:55:10	scorche\|sh	that isnt just the WPS look then...those are functional elements...rockbox isnt the apple firmware, so those would have to be added into the code
05:56:58	MOHDMACH	I'm sorry I thought that sort of animation sequence was one of the things supported by Rockbox by default.
05:57:36	LambdaCalculus37	Nope.
05:57:41	scorche\|sh	what gave you that impression?
05:59:14	MOHDMACH	The firmware is complex so why shouldn't someone code some animation sequences in by default while coding Rockbox.
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06:00:15	MOHDMACH	Sorry forgot the question mark.
06:02:25	MOHDMACH	Well all right, is there any functional builds that have this sort of animation?
06:03:24	LambdaCalculus37	Have you looked in Flyspray for a patch that may add this?
06:04:12	*	ameyer wonders how close you can get to what MOHDMACH wants with a conditional viewport and the "volume is changing" tag
06:06:01	MOHDMACH	I could do that but I am very new at Rockbox themes and even if it was there, I probably did not recognize it.
06:06:18	JdGordon	yeah, that should be doable
06:06:59	MOHDMACH	I have looked at the patches section at rockbox.org but couldn't find anything like that however I did not search flyspray because I thought that was only for bugs.
06:07:20	JdGordon	you dont need patches... like ameyer said, you can do that with conditional viewports and the volume button tag
06:07:25	JdGordon	check CustomWPS on the wiki
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06:10:38	MOHDMACH	Okay
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06:17:55	MOHDMACH	Well it just says "Can also be used as a conditional, and can be used with conditional viewports for some really neat effects"
06:18:52	MOHDMACH	Are there any examples, tutorials or specifics on how this can be used with conditional viewports or what effects it produces
06:19:19	MOHDMACH	.
06:34:01	MOHDMACH	What exactly is a Shuffle Image?
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06:43:52	InDAVIDualism	OIC!!!
06:44:38	LambdaCalculus37	InDAVIDualism: And what was the point of that?
06:45:01	InDAVIDualism	That's what you think.
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06:48:36	MOHDMACH_	what?
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06:53:43	InDAVIDualism	Are there any other OSes/Firmware I'd be able to install to a Sansa Fuze other than RockBox?
06:56:42	LambdaCalculus37	No, there aren't.
06:57:40	JdGordon	MOHDMACH_: no, there arnt examples... unless you find one already made with the tags you want
06:57:54	JdGordon	its fairly simple ones you understand the concepts of conditionals and tags...
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06:58:08	MOHDMACH_	okay thanks
06:58:37	JdGordon	ill give you an example of that volume tag to get you going thoguh
06:58:56	MOHDMACH_	That would be swell JdGordon
06:59:16	MOHDMACH_	What is a shuffle image.
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07:00:23	JdGordon	%?mv2.5<a\|b>
07:00:51	JdGordon	if I got that right it means that when the volume is chaning (and 2.5 seconds after it stops) "a" will be shown on the screen... otherwise "b" will be shown
07:01:29	MOHDMACH_	So what do I replace "a" and "b" with?
07:01:42	JdGordon	now, if you setup a viewport with %Vl\|...\| before that line... if you put %Vd... where a is, it will enable that viewport when its chaning
07:02:04	JdGordon	inside that viewport you then put whatevr yhou want to dispolay... images or text, etc
07:02:33	JdGordon	a shuffle image I guess is just an image that gets sdisplayed when shuffle is enabled
07:03:19	MOHDMACH_	I guess I'll try to make a simple one with stars and upload it maybe as a .gif image.
07:03:22	MOHDMACH_	Ah okay
07:04:21	*	JdGordon wishes he had some creative ability to design a WPS :p
07:04:53	MOHDMACH_	You have the knowledge.
07:05:05	MOHDMACH_	You just need inspiration.
07:05:45	MOHDMACH_	By stars I mean "***"
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07:10:46	BHSPitLappy	by "***" you mean asterisks.
07:11:03	MOHDMACH_	I have tried to design a volume image before just not like the one I have described. Similar to the "Rockboxed" theme but when I applied it, it was displayed incorrectly. While designing it I used the "Unicatcher" theme to scale it.
07:11:05	MOHDMACH_	Yes
07:16:01	MOHDMACH_	But it would display the wrong parts of the volume image. But from the basic perspective it did work but not as it should.
07:16:59	JdGordon	put the .wps text on a pastebin
07:17:25	MOHDMACH_	I'm on it.
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07:21:38	RockRabbit	What does it mean when booting my Sansa c250 the rockbox logo comes up then flashes on and off and never loads up. If i hold the left button down it will then go into the OF. Previously i used the format option within the OF, but I copied a new .rockbox to the root of the drive.
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07:22:47	MOHDMACH	%wd
07:22:47	MOHDMACH	%X\|wps bg bse.bmp\|
07:22:48	MOHDMACH	%t1 %?mp<%al Stopped%ar-:−−/-:−− \|%al %pv dB%ar%pc/%pt \|%al Paused%ar%pc/%pt \|%al Seeking%ar%pc/%pt \|%al Seeking%ar%pc/%pt >;%t1 %?mp<%al Stopped-:−−/-:−− \|%al %pv dB%ar%pc/%pt \|%al Paused\|%al Seeking%ar%pc/%pt \|%al Seeking%ar%pc/%pt >
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07:22:48	MOHDMACH	%al %bl%%%ar%pp/%pe
07:22:48	MOHDMACH	%s%ac%?in<%in\|%pp> - %?it<%it\|%fn>
07:22:50	MOHDMACH	%s%ac%?ia<%ia\|%?d2<%d2\|Unknown Artist>>
07:22:52	MOHDMACH	%s%ac%?id<%id\|%?d1<%d1\|Unknown Album>>
07:22:54	MOHDMACH	%al %fbKbps
07:22:56	MOHDMACH	%pb\|-\|11\|-\|298\|7\|
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07:23:51	Unhelpful	...how cheaply can a fuze be had? and would i probably just end up bricking it?
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07:31:35	scorche\|sh	MOHDMACH: he said use a pastebin...not to paste it in here..
07:32:20	MOHDMACH	Yes here is the link.
07:32:23	MOHDMACH	http://pastebin.com/m173e6cbb
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07:36:54	MOHDMACH	On line: %xl\|G\|prfvol.bmp\|34\|5\|8\| what does \|34\|5\|8\| stand for or represent?
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07:44:35	MOHDMACH	I think 8 might stand for the sub-images.
07:45:31	Unhelpful	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Bitmap_Strips
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07:48:31	MOHDMACH	Yeah I was looking at that. But thanks
07:48:45	weternal	hey I've got a screen-less 1st gen nano, is there someway I could get Rockbox to run it in a simple shuffle mode?
07:49:28	BHSPitLappy	weternal, it's definitely possible, you can code anything you can dream up
07:49:49	BHSPitLappy	(and, uh, possess the skill set to do so)
07:49:54	weternal	I've never used rockbox before, because my main ipod is 2nd gen
07:50:17	BHSPitLappy	weternal, you'd have to hack the interface code quite a bit to your lacking
07:50:27	BHSPitLappy	hopefully you're a coder of sorts
07:51:25	weternal	I like to think of myself as one... I'm an alpha-tester for ubuntu... I'm not afraid to get dirty in CLI
07:51:37	Unhelpful	...and you can program?
07:51:44	weternal	would it perhaps just be easier to install a new screen
07:51:45	weternal	yes
07:52:39	BHSPitLappy	weternal, actually, just use the voice menus
07:52:53	MOHDMACH	I don't know (according to the link) what 153 and 134 represent. I think 10 represents sub-images rite?
07:53:04	BHSPitLappy	just kind of dawned on me that rockbox has TTS support for the vision-impaired
07:53:37	Unhelpful	MOHDMACH: the number of them, yes. the bitmap should be some number of pixels * that in height.
07:53:51	Unhelpful	the other two numbers are the position of the bitmap within the viewport.
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07:54:48	weternal	BHSPitLappy thanks, I was hoping that there would be an easier solution... not that I particularly would have minded doing it the messy way
07:55:45	BHSPitLappy	yeah, plus you'll get more functionality than out of a Shuffle
07:56:01	BHSPitLappy	there's instructions on the site/manual
07:57:09	MOHDMACH	Yeah I guess I should play around with it.
07:57:58	Unhelpful	kugel: whenever you get a chance... can you just try something? i have a hunch. add a "format &= ~FORMAT_DITHER;" above the various if (format & ...) tests at the top of bmp_load_fd in apps/recorder/bmp.c
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10:46:10	bugonshoe	do cover albums have to be .bmp?
10:47:03	JdGordon	yes
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10:47:56	bugonshoe	know a way to convert all album art to bmp?
10:48:12	bugonshoe	even extract it from the music files if necessary
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10:53:08	bugonshoe	ooh http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#Useful_tools
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12:08:14	JdGordon	doesnt look like it gets copied... you want me to do a build for you?
12:08:46	funman	thanks, but i had kept a compiler on this computer so i can build one
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12:14:28	Rockrabbit	Ive got a version 1 Sansa c250 that no longer boots rockbox. The rockbox logo comes up then flashes on and off repeatedly. Press the left button and the OF will load. When viewing the drive in Linux, no .rockbox dir shows. I can copy one which often appears to work (no error messages and the dir shows up in Nautilus, but re-attach the device and its gone.
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12:15:23	Rockrabbit	Somehow the disk appears to be read only and nothing will copy to it. Ive used the players own format, but to no avail Ive even formatted the drive using gparted, still nothing.
12:16:09	Rockrabbit	If I run the rockbox utility to reinstall the bootloader and rockbox, it appears to work and the utility thinks it has, but nothing changes on the drive.
12:19:50	funman	hello Rockrabbit, thanks for working on the c200v2 !
12:20:54	funman	now we need to get LCD working, do you already know which controller it uses ? (I read that the backlight is already working)
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12:21:33	Rockrabbit	sorry no idea - i tried the backlight because Kugel asked me to, but I had no idea what I was doing
12:21:58	Rockrabbit	is it possible then its the same as the version 1
12:23:22	funman	everything is possible ;) with a bit of disassembling it should be pretty easy to work it out (fuze and e200v2 lcd code was made by someone who hadn't access to the hardware!)
12:25:05	Rockrabbit	i dont really have the skill to disassemble
12:25:34	JdGordon	thats the easy way out answer...
12:25:45	funman	i think someone should be able to work it out with you (if someone has the time ..)
12:25:59	JdGordon	all you need is the arm handbook, the dissasembly and a lot of time
12:26:29	Rockrabbit	and the motivation - thats the part i lack
12:26:32	funman	and a hint to where is the lcd code (should be quick for someone already used to read Sansa AMS code)
12:29:11	Rockrabbit	i hadnt realised just how hard the process would be - also the fact that the version2 player only has 2Mb ram rather than the 32Mb of the v1 - plus I was able to get hold of thre eversion 1 players also helped to reduce my motivation. But hopefully I can still help somehow.
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13:10:42	chucknorris	so if i wanted to make a rockbox compatible with the third gen ipod nano with video, how would i go about doing that?
13:11:55	linuxstb	chucknorris: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
13:12:13	linuxstb	Your first problem is cracking Apple's firmware encryption.
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14:21:52	*	n1s sees that the © in the wiki already includes 2009 :)
14:24:26	kugel	uhm
14:24:58	kugel	"The rockbox logo comes up then flashes on and off repeatedly." does that mean RockRabbit's LCD driver works?
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14:25:20	n1s	"yes" ? :)
14:27:32	kugel	well, I literally copied it from the e200v2
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14:28:18	kugel	I'd volunteered to make one by disassembly, but it doesn't seem to be needed :P
14:30:25	kugel	ahh, that was a v1 one :(
14:38:20	bugonshoe	is there a windows tagcache
14:38:41	bugonshoe	so when you plug in the device you can build the database quickly
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14:40:14	n1s	bugonshoe: the standalone database builder can probably be built for windows, don't know if anyone tried it though
14:41:33	bugonshoe	i guess this is essentially what itunes does with its format
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17:12:39	dfkt	i'm trying to compile r19633 for the clip, and the patches 9332 and 9661 won't apply properly anymore... any hints?
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17:24:44	kugel	dfkt: try FS #9703 instead of 9332 (that one hasn't good chances for being useful), 9661 is closed, and shouldn't be used
17:24:59	kugel	try http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9706 instead of 9661
17:25:10	dfkt	thanks, kugel, i give it a try
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17:40:28	dfkt	kugel, excellent, it works!
17:40:50	kugel	no problem :)
17:40:59	dfkt	no more glitches in audio, sweet
17:41:23	dfkt	for a working radio solution there's nothing available at the moment?
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18:58:18	chamikal	Hi
18:58:49	chamikal	I was wondering how to port (if it's possible) rockbox to Philips GoGear SA32XX series ?
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19:00:38	chamikal	as there is already some work done about Philips GoGear
19:01:22	chamikal	SA9200
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19:13:25	chamikal	ok http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort ;-)
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19:42:40	gregorovius	Hi. Were there any changes about how the scroll wheel works in an ipod 5g between 3.0 and 3.1? it feels different, and I'm not sure I like it
19:42:58	gregorovius	it takes way too much motion right now to trigger 'fast scrolling'
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21:37:33	Zagor	mcuelenaere: nice logf fix!
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21:42:21	Zagor	jhMikeS: my c200 shows the default (builtin) wps since your changes
21:42:38	Zagor	...and without showing the status bar
21:43:05	Zagor	uh sorry, that should be to JdGordon
21:43:32	Zagor	statusbar shows up if I change volume but vanishes again when skipping to next track
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22:17:51	gevaerts	mcuelenaere: pong
22:19:31	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: I got USB serial working
22:19:37	gevaerts	Nice!
22:19:40	mcuelenaere	and I received and sent messages
22:19:48	mcuelenaere	so that means EP1 must be working
22:20:10	mcuelenaere	but the mass storage driver is still stuck at the same messages
22:20:23	mcuelenaere	is there a way to yield more debug info in the linux usb mass storage driver?
22:20:32	mcuelenaere	(or the windows one?)
22:20:57	gevaerts	I'm not sure. I just grabbed a tracer when I had issues...
22:21:52	mcuelenaere	heh :)
22:22:00	*	gevaerts wonders if it would be a good idea to drop the rockbox tracer off at the post office tomorrow
22:22:34	mcuelenaere	I don't think that's really needed
22:22:46	mcuelenaere	it'll probably be just another one of those small stupid problems
22:23:00	gevaerts	It got as far as sending an INQUIRY command, right?
22:23:07	mcuelenaere	yep
22:23:34	mcuelenaere	(there's no way for running USB serial and the usb mass storage driver at the same time I presume? :) )
22:24:05	gevaerts	If the hardware has enough endpoints, sure :)
22:24:14	*	gevaerts used that to debug UMS :)
22:24:26	mcuelenaere	bleh, no the HW doesn't
22:24:38	mcuelenaere	it only has 2 BULK endpoints and 1 INTERRUPT
22:24:47	mcuelenaere	(2 BULK = 1 IN, 1 OUT)
22:25:45	gevaerts	You could implement HID and send logf over keyboard keycodes :)
22:26:15	mcuelenaere	does HID work with 1 interrupt EP? cool :)
22:26:27	gevaerts	I think it does, yes.
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22:26:52	mcuelenaere	but I think I'll better try snooping some USB packets
22:26:59	mcuelenaere	is there a way on Linux to do that?
22:27:00	gevaerts	Can you check if storage_get_info() returns useful data?
22:27:05	Zagor	mcuelenaere: which target are you working with?
22:27:14	mcuelenaere	Zagor: Onda VX747
22:27:20	mcuelenaere	(the Chinese MIPS one)
22:27:37	B4gder	mcuelenaere: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/usb/usbmon.txt perhaps?
22:28:14	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: where should storage_get_info() be defined? storage.c ?
22:28:16	gevaerts	usbmon works, but it's not really user friendly. If you manage to compile libpcap and wireshark with the right options, you can use those
22:28:20	mcuelenaere	B4gder: thanks, I'll take a look
22:28:58	gevaerts	mcuelenaere: in your ata/nand/sd/whatever driver.
22:29:04	Zagor	iirc linux usb-storage has a kernel define for verbose debug messages
22:29:28	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: but it's using the RAM driver, doesn't that have an own storage_get_info()?
22:29:54	mcuelenaere	and no, I haven't implemented storage_get_info() for NAND nor SD (yet)
22:30:49	gevaerts	mcuelenaere: yes and no... If you use the full ramdisk thing (i.e. STORAGE_RAMDISK), yes, but if you just use USB_USE_RAMDISK then it uses the "system" one
22:30:56	gevaerts	It should do its own, but...
22:31:00	mcuelenaere	Zagor: you're right, that seems to be CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG
22:31:21	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: so should I use STORAGE_RAMDISK or implement it for NAND?
22:32:57	mcuelenaere	hmm the Onda already seems to have STORAGE_RAMDISK defined in CONFIG_STORAGE
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22:33:18	mcuelenaere	ah yes, that's a sort of hack to get multi volume handling to work
22:33:25	gevaerts	mcuelenaere: depends. If you use STORAGE_RAMDISK you can't do NAND at the same time right now (I should finish that...). You need a real implementation anyway, so I'd go for implementing it in the nand driver
22:33:58	gevaerts	Have a look at the implementation in firmware/drivers/ramdisk.c. *get_info() is pretty trivial :)
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22:34:57	mcuelenaere	I copied the one from ata-nand-telechips.c
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22:36:04	gevaerts	For this use num_sectors and sector_size aren't important. They are if you use "real" usb_storage, but for USB_USE_RAMDISK they are ignored
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22:44:10	mcuelenaere	ok so now I have nand_get_info() and I still get scsi: inquiry 0
22:45:12	Zagor	JdGordon: I got problems with your statusbar commit. see the log @21:42
22:46:15	gevaerts	mcuelenaere: is that still with linux? If so, can you check what dmesg says?
22:46:50	mcuelenaere	sure
22:47:39	gevaerts	Also, did you update after my commit that fixed the "report luns" logf (r19627)?
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22:48:19	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m420ffbce
22:48:27	mcuelenaere	yes, I'm running on latest SVN
22:48:43	mcuelenaere	(19634)
22:50:21	JdGordon	Zagor: statusbar displaying when it shouldnt?
22:50:45	Zagor	JdGordon: the opposite
22:51:18	gevaerts	IIRC IMQUIRY is the first actual SCSI command that gets sent, so I suspect there is still a bug with outgoing transfers
22:51:22	JdGordon	hmm.. thats odd :p
22:51:59	JdGordon	Zagor: which wps?
22:52:16	Zagor	JdGordon: default. cabbie, is it?
22:52:57	JdGordon	ok.. ill have a look in a few hours..
22:53:10	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: hmm I'll try compiling the linux mass storage module with DEBUG on
22:53:11	*	JdGordon will hopefully have the last of these bugs fixed today
22:53:15	gevaerts	Zagor: do you need testing for lots of codecs on FS #9703, or is a single codec/bitrate enough to know that it works for a target?
22:54:22	Zagor	gevaerts: I want random "wild" testing, do find unexpected things.
22:54:28	gevaerts	mcuelenaere: try usbmon as well. "modprobe usbmon" and "mount none /sys/kernel/debug/ -t debugfs"
22:54:44	Zagor	I don't have a specific scenario that would "verify" it.
22:55:04	gevaerts	Zagor: ok. I have it on my "normal-use" F60, but I'm a pretty boring user
22:55:25	Zagor	:-)
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23:00:14	mcuelenaere	does usbmon require a linux kernel rebuild?
23:00:35	mcuelenaere	or the USB part of it
23:01:46	gevaerts	Depends. It may be there already...
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23:06:52	gevaerts	It could also be compiled in, in which case you won't need modprobe
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23:09:23	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: now I get this http://pastebin.com/m12e56142
23:09:29	mcuelenaere	(couldn't get usbmon to work)
23:10:49	mcuelenaere	this doesn't sound correct: usb-storage: Received 0-length CSW; retrying...
23:11:57	*	gevaerts looks at the kernel source to help interpret this
23:13:11	gevaerts	"32. [28065.128138] usb-storage: −− babble" is the first issue
23:14:12	gevaerts	If that "babble" is correct, it means that you send packets larger than the maxpacketsize you declare
23:14:34	mcuelenaere	hmm ok that's not OK
23:15:14	mcuelenaere	usb_drv_port_speed() should work normally
23:15:25	gevaerts	It could also mean that you just send more data than the other side expects
23:16:11	mcuelenaere	but with maxpacketsize, do you mean the maxpacketsize of the EP or an other mass storage-specific maxpacketsize?
23:16:31	gevaerts	The EP one
23:17:03	mcuelenaere	so probably 64 vs 512
23:17:10	mcuelenaere	== high speed vs full speed
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23:17:30	gevaerts	What does "cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1/bMaxPacketSize0" say?
23:18:10	gevaerts	ignpore that...
23:18:17	mcuelenaere	64
23:18:44	gevaerts	That's the one for EP0, so not important...
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23:19:29	gevaerts	Can you run "ls /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1/" and see which subdirectories starting with 1-1: there are?
23:19:35	mcuelenaere	I also have /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1:1.0/
23:19:58	gevaerts	Does that have ep_* subdirectories?
23:20:05	mcuelenaere	ep_01 & ep_81
23:20:08	mcuelenaere	so EP1 IN/OUT
23:20:29	gevaerts	Yes. Those have virtual files called wMaxPacketSize in them. Can you cat those?
23:21:01	mcuelenaere	ep_01 has 200
23:21:05	mcuelenaere	0200*
23:21:14	mcuelenaere	and ep_81 too
23:21:48	mcuelenaere	so they are set to 512 bytes?
23:22:07	gevaerts	apparently, yes
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23:22:26	gevaerts	And that's clearly not entirely correct for a full speed device
23:22:31	*	gevaerts checks usb_core.c
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23:25:54	gevaerts	Maybe make usb_drv_port_speed() just return 0 for now
23:26:05	mcuelenaere	ok
23:26:50	mcuelenaere	should I my internal fifo_size to 64 then?
23:26:53	mcuelenaere	should I set*
23:27:18	gevaerts	Probably
23:27:51	mcuelenaere	I'll just disable High Speed
23:29:01	mcuelenaere	I still get the −− babble
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23:30:59	*	gevaerts is a bit confused
23:32:17	gevaerts	Why would this maxpacketsize even be a problem? The inquiry response is only 36 bytes...
23:32:24	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: the 'Status code 0; transferred 0/13' line, is that upon receiving something from the device? If so, that would mean a problem with EP1 sending
23:33:06	gevaerts	mcuelenaere: could it be that the driver somehow combines the inquiry data and CSW in a single packet?
23:33:24	*	gevaerts doesn't really see how it could do that
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23:34:08	jhMikeS	saratoga: pong
23:34:38	Baw	is it true that the Apple Accessory Protocol has moved into SVN? I installed dailybuild yesterday r19629-081231 and i still can't get my dock to even function
23:34:56	Baw	i have a iPod 80gb 5.5gen video
23:35:04	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: hmm EP0 bit which need to be set when the last packet gets transferred, but the other EP's don't seem to have that..
23:35:17	mcuelenaere	I'll look in the example code
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23:39:11	mcuelenaere	aha, I found a bug
23:39:27	mcuelenaere	now we're back at the yesterday's stage :)
23:39:33	mcuelenaere	s/the//
23:40:16	*	gevaerts tries to remember yesterday :)
23:41:12	Baw	soap you around?
23:42:15	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: I'm not sure whether it was yesterday, but I do remember I did something what made things go bad instead of good
23:42:24	mcuelenaere	and I never figured out what the problem was
23:46:33	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m3f1e781
23:48:12	gevaerts	That looks a lot better already
23:48:40	ameyer	hrm... the statusbar svn commit is screwy
23:48:44	mcuelenaere	hmm I even seem to have a disk (/dev/sdc) :)
23:49:18	*	ameyer should get around to filing a bug about the bubbles plugin being kinda broken and show track info being completely broken
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23:49:30	gevaerts	You may even have two :). That's another issue with this USB_USE_RAMDISK thing
23:50:14	mcuelenaere	:)
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23:51:52	gevaerts	mcuelenaere: can you try changing line 587 of usb_storage.c to "#if defined(ONLY_EXPOSE_CARD_SLOT) \|\| defined(USB_USE_RAMDISK)
23:51:56	gevaerts	?
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23:52:59	ameyer	JdGordon: is the statusbar patch (r19622, apparently formerly known as FS #9603) supposed to do anything other than break stuff?
23:53:24	ameyer	err, I guess not formerly known as FS #9603
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23:53:38	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: you're sure that storage_info->num_sectors doesn't cause any bad?
23:53:44	mcuelenaere	because it's set to 0 now
23:54:05	gevaerts	In general USB_USE_RAMDISK only works entirely right if NUM_VOLUMES==1...
23:54:37	gevaerts	mcuelenaere: it's only used in a #else after #ifdef USB_USE_RAMDISK
23:55:27	mcuelenaere	ok
23:57:08	Ctcp	Ping from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts
23:57:55	mcuelenaere	hmm I defined NUM_VOLUMES in usb_storage.c to 1 and I get a TLB exception
23:58:32	mcuelenaere	in memcpy()

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