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00:10:28 | TheSkunkMan | does anyone know how to get firmware off a device? i cant find it within the files and i cant find this older version online either |
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00:14:29 | rockbox | hello, i was wondering if the rockbox project for the sansa view was still running? |
00:17:37 | Llorean | TheSkunkMan: "How" depends entirely on the device. It could be in a hidden partition, it could be written to a ROM elsewhere. It may not be recoverable without taking the player apart. |
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00:18:03 | Llorean | rockbox: Any updates should be in the forum thread, or in the Rockbox changelog accessible on the front page of the site. |
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00:20:00 | salty-horse | hi. here's a small documentation patch to UISIMULATOR (changed "archos" to "simdisk") −− http://pastie.org/362924 |
00:20:53 | rockbox | Llorean: thank you, i will check there |
00:20:59 | Llorean | salty-horse: You should post patches to the patch tracker. |
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00:21:14 | tajlero | is it possible to use the apple firmware for ipods on ext3 file system instead ? |
00:21:17 | salty-horse | Llorean, ok |
00:21:34 | Llorean | tajlero: That has nothing to do with Rockbox. |
00:21:40 | Llorean | Questions about the Apple firmware should be asked to Apple. |
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00:24:59 | tajlero | see well rockbox can not work without apple firmware can it Llorean ? |
00:25:26 | Llorean | Sure it can. |
00:25:28 | BigBambi | yes, it can |
00:25:32 | tajlero | it can |
00:25:41 | linuxstb | Err, it can't... |
00:25:41 | tajlero | so I can reformat my ipod |
00:25:55 | tajlero | and just have rockbox on it |
00:25:57 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, it can work without any of the on-disk Apple firmware. |
00:26:02 | BigBambi | linuxstb: without the 'main firmware' can't it? |
00:26:12 | Llorean | linuxstb: And the bootloader->firmware partition loading doesn't depend on Filesystem. |
00:26:21 | BigBambi | i.e. the non in-flash part |
00:26:35 | linuxstb | That's not what either of you said though... |
00:26:58 | Llorean | Well, it works without the Apple firmware, just not the Apple Bootloader. |
00:27:11 | tajlero | cool Llorean :D |
00:27:21 | Llorean | And the filesystem in-use is irrelevant to the Apple Bootloader. |
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00:27:30 | Llorean | That being said, Rockbox only works with FAT32 |
00:27:40 | tajlero | so how can I do it in ext3 |
00:27:48 | Llorean | Write an ext3 driver for Rockbox. |
00:27:51 | tajlero | that sucks |
00:27:57 | tajlero | FAT32 BLOWS |
00:28:14 | Llorean | There's no need for the additional overhead for MP3 players |
00:28:57 | tajlero | fat32 is a slow filesystem though |
00:30:57 | BigBambi | this is an mp3 player... |
00:31:08 | tajlero | so |
00:31:16 | Llorean | So what do you need "fast" for? |
00:31:20 | Llorean | You need "minimal RAM footprint" |
00:31:44 | tajlero | because it gets fragmented really bad |
00:31:46 | tajlero | over time |
00:31:51 | tajlero | compared to ext3 |
00:31:55 | Llorean | Fragmentation doesn't happen automatically |
00:32:05 | Llorean | It happens if you *write* often |
00:32:08 | tajlero | please do not use mp3 player |
00:32:15 | tajlero | use media player |
00:32:15 | BigBambi | ? |
00:32:15 | Llorean | Large-disk MP3 players are, generally, write-once read-often |
00:32:31 | tajlero | yeah |
00:32:32 | tajlero | but still |
00:32:36 | Llorean | These aren't really media players. They're DAPs. Digital Audio Players |
00:32:41 | Llorean | So your fragmentation concern is not a real issue. |
00:32:55 | tajlero | how so |
00:33:06 | tajlero | do you support the crappy file system |
00:33:14 | Llorean | You won't get a significant amount of fragmentation with the normal usage patterns. |
00:33:17 | BigBambi | If you would like to write an ext3 driver for Rockbox, feel free. The general feeling is that the effort and increased code size and complexity isn't really worth it |
00:33:34 | Llorean | It's an issue of "choose the tools that are right for the job." |
00:33:46 | BigBambi | tajlero: FAT32 is a) supported on all OS and b) used by all the OFs |
00:34:00 | tajlero | I do not care |
00:34:02 | tajlero | it sucks |
00:34:08 | Llorean | Then don't use Rockbox |
00:34:17 | BigBambi | or any MP3 player |
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00:34:25 | tajlero | do not say |
00:34:26 | tajlero | that |
00:34:28 | bertrik | the sansa express also seems to use the si4702 fm chip |
00:34:31 | tajlero | mp3s SUCK |
00:35:10 | kugel | bertrik: seems they were on sale :) |
00:35:22 | tajlero | well not all digital audio players would used fat32 |
00:35:47 | tajlero | plus some hard drives are coming with ntfs filesystem by default now instead of fat32 |
00:35:54 | tajlero | the external ones |
00:35:57 | Llorean | tajlero: What do non-DAP HDs matter? |
00:36:00 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't run on them. |
00:36:18 | tajlero | yeah I know I was making a point with something else |
00:36:24 | Llorean | Simply put: Rockbox uses FAT32. For what Rockbox needs it makes more sense than any other filesystem. Supporting multiple filesystems creates additional overhead that also doesn't make sense. |
00:36:36 | Llorean | If you don't like this, don't use Rockbox, or use a customized build for which you've written your own filesystem support |
00:36:59 | Llorean | You don't need to make any more points, you don't need to complain further about how much FAT32 sucks. These are your options. Deal with it, or do your own thing. |
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00:37:13 | tajlero | why is it not a media player ? |
00:37:19 | tajlero | please explain ? |
00:37:31 | Llorean | Because currently its entirely designed around an audio player interface. |
00:37:46 | Llorean | There's a separate plugin for MPEG1/2 video, but it's not part of Rockbox's core, just a limited plugin |
00:37:55 | tajlero | I am talking about the device |
00:38:05 | tajlero | not rockbox |
00:38:10 | Llorean | This is #Rockbox |
00:38:20 | Llorean | So we're talking about Rockbox on the device. |
00:38:25 | tajlero | ok |
00:38:40 | tajlero | so why can't you call it media player instead Llorean |
00:38:48 | tajlero | for the device by its self |
00:39:05 | Llorean | Because very few of them are. |
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00:39:09 | tajlero | calling it mp3 player |
00:39:25 | tajlero | supports the proprietary mp3 file format |
00:39:28 | Llorean | Calling it an MP3 player simplifies discussion because it's a term that the majority of people can associate with it. |
00:39:38 | Llorean | Calling it a DAP or media player causes confusion among many people. |
00:39:49 | tajlero | well then |
00:39:51 | Llorean | It's like calling them "kleenexes" even though a more proper term would be "tissues" |
00:39:51 | linuxstb | tajlero, Llorean: This is getting _way_ off-topic for this channel... |
00:40:03 | tajlero | man |
00:40:12 | tajlero | why are you guys commies |
00:40:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: Valid terms for the channel at least are on-topic, but I agree no more needs to be said at this point |
00:41:31 | soap | #rockbox-community −−−−> |
00:42:01 | tajlero | ok so Llorean I can just reformat my digital audio player (ipod) into fat32 and run the boot loader thing and just move rockbox to it |
00:42:21 | tajlero | or do I have to do it via itunes? |
00:42:32 | tajlero | to get the apple bootloader |
00:42:33 | linuxstb | tajlero: Is your ipod currently HFS? |
00:42:38 | tajlero | nope |
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00:43:04 | tajlero | I just want all my files in a separate folder |
00:43:15 | tajlero | and my ipod is becoming very slow |
00:43:19 | Llorean | tajlero: It needs to be working in the Apple firmware with the data partition being FAT32 to follow the standard Rockbox installation instructions. |
00:43:36 | tajlero | so I want to reformat it |
00:43:40 | tajlero | ok Llorean |
00:43:44 | tajlero | thanks |
00:43:57 | soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
00:43:59 | tajlero | I guess I can run itunes or something through wine |
00:44:18 | linuxstb | Or the IpodManualRestore page |
00:44:20 | tajlero | I know how to format a drive |
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00:44:33 | soap | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_iPod_managers |
00:44:49 | Llorean | tajlero: It's not as simple as just formatting the drive in most cases... |
00:45:08 | tajlero | I do not want an ipod manager |
00:45:14 | soap | you know how to format an iPod AND keep the apple firmware? |
00:45:16 | tajlero | you do not need that |
00:45:21 | tajlero | nope |
00:46:32 | Llorean | tajlero: If you don't have working iPod software, you'll have to use an unsupported install method. As the term suggests, we don't provide support for those, so I'd recommend doing it the "proper" way. |
00:46:45 | soap | If you don't want an iPod manager why did you talk about running iTunes through wine? |
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00:47:00 | tajlero | so that I can restore my ipod soap |
00:47:12 | tajlero | or use the cd that can with it |
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00:47:19 | soap | If you need iTunes to do the format (through WINE?) then why did you dismiss my first link on the chain to not using iTunes to do the restore? |
00:47:40 | tajlero | I just use the folders on my ipod to play the music via a media player |
00:48:11 | tajlero | I do not understand what you mean soap |
00:48:37 | tajlero | how am I going to get the firmware on there than |
00:48:48 | tajlero | without itunes soap |
00:48:48 | soap | You're the one who mentioned running iTunes through wine - I gave you two (out of three) links to avoid that need. (not that I think iTunes works in WINE) |
00:49:03 | tajlero | ok |
00:49:07 | tajlero | well thanks |
00:49:11 | tajlero | I will check them out |
00:49:16 | soap | if you weren't so snotty and dismissive of my link (and linuxstb's followup) you would have seen |
00:49:18 | tajlero | I have some of them |
00:49:42 | tajlero | just not all because of the continuing of this conversation |
00:50:01 | soap | when linuxstb said "Or the IpodManualRestore page" he means http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
00:50:02 | tajlero | brb |
00:50:19 | tajlero | yes I understand that |
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00:50:39 | soap | then you have everything you need to know to never need iTunes. |
00:50:41 | tajlero | but thanks any ways from letting me know |
00:50:52 | tajlero | :D |
00:51:22 | Unhelpful | pixelma: that's a good argument against extending the version string, perhaps. maybe just add a "m" if it's not a "pure" svn build, and add other info to rockbox-info.txt or to a new build-info.txt? |
00:51:25 | tajlero | I hate itunes any ways |
00:51:43 | Llorean | Unhelpful: It *should* already add an "m" if it's not clean |
00:51:53 | Llorean | Or I think it used to |
00:52:13 | tajlero | sorry if I mad any one angry in here |
00:52:30 | Unhelpful | Llorean: when we discussed this before, i had though it added some indication, as well... but i couldn't find anything in the source to back up that belief :/ |
00:53:03 | BigBambi | any mods should have r12345m - in fact sometimes the m appears when it shouldn't |
00:53:30 | Llorean | Unhelpful: Well, it *used* to I thought. |
00:53:36 | Unhelpful | BigBambi: perhaps spurious "m" would be due to build files that svn doesn't know to ignore? |
00:53:46 | kugel | saratoga: I put the buttonlight and backlight fade for fuze (and e200v2) up |
00:54:00 | kugel | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9663 |
00:54:17 | BigBambi | Unhelpful: I don't know, maybe :) |
00:54:32 | tajlero | ok thanks every one |
00:54:37 | tajlero | ROCKBOX RULES |
00:54:48 | tajlero | keep up all the good work guys and ladies :d |
00:54:49 | Unhelpful | Llorean: would you be ok with ajb's patch if it just did a better job of finding the svn revision and working tree status, still used the r12345[m]-DDDDDD version string, and moved other info to either rockbox-info.txt or to a new file for build info? |
00:55:49 | Unhelpful | that satisfies my desires, which are mostly that 1) the version number works in some cases where it doesn't now and 2) the user can tell a developer of a custom build what they need to know to help. |
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00:56:32 | Llorean | Unhelpful: I'm satisfied as long as the version string is the same independent of source control method used, really. |
00:56:46 | Llorean | I don't care how much info you add to rockbox-info.txt or some other file. :) |
00:57:17 | Llorean | Well "independent" meaning "it's the same for all the ones we've added support for" |
00:57:33 | kugel | Bagder, Unhelpful: I get a warning building the ams sansa bootloader which doesn't seem to happen on the build servers :/ |
00:57:43 | Unhelpful | so a -<extra> in place of the "m" is still objectionable, if the format of the <extra> varies? |
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00:58:06 | kugel | bootloader/show_logo.c:50: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘lcd_bitmap’ from incompatible pointer type |
00:58:14 | Llorean | Unhelpful: to me, yes. |
00:58:34 | Llorean | Unhelpful: Since not everyone will know what a GIT version number looks like, so they'll see that extra and have no idea what the user's communicating. |
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00:59:29 | Unhelpful | as i said... i can live with "m" and telling a tester who thinks they got the build from me to look in rockbox-info.txt |
00:59:34 | Llorean | Yes. |
00:59:40 | Llorean | I think that's pretty acceptable |
00:59:57 | Llorean | I don't think checking the .txt is too much a task, and pastebinning it. You'll probably want to if the [m] is present anyway |
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01:00:03 | Unhelpful | and then i can say "that's from a week ago, i fixed your problem since then", or whatever. |
01:00:59 | Unhelpful | the idea of having a diff-stat of the local changes... is that useful? it gives an idea of where a custom build has changed things, but it doesn't tell a developer anything about what has actually changed, as a bzr or git commit label of some sort would. |
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01:01:57 | linuxstb | Unhelpful: Include the diff inside the rockbox.zip... |
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01:02:18 | Llorean | You could just tack the whole diff on if there is one, yeah. |
01:02:31 | Llorean | It wouldn't affect 'clean' builds anyway, and it'd be terribly handy |
01:02:59 | Unhelpful | the diff itself? that might not be a bad idea. it'll be a touch difficult for git, since that has "local" history as well. |
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01:03:54 | Llorean | Can you diff against the SVN revision it's based on with git? |
01:04:07 | Llorean | So you basically only get the "final" version of local changes? |
01:04:40 | Unhelpful | Llorean: definitely... the issue there is that of git-using developers do stupid things, the file could contain not-very-useful info. |
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01:05:29 | Llorean | Unhelpful: I think that's fine. If people do stupid things, you get stupid files. Ah well. |
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01:05:45 | Llorean | At least in some occasions it'll be helpful, and in the worst case we can't know any less than we already do at "well, it's modified" |
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01:07:04 | Unhelpful | basically, a git user can, for example, make a branch, do some work, cherry-pick an svn revision to the branch without pulling in other new svn revisions, and then do some more work. |
01:07:45 | Llorean | So you'd have a diff of all of their changes against that cherry-picked revision? |
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01:07:52 | Unhelpful | the obvious method of scanning the git log for the newest revision that comes from svn will fail in that case. |
01:08:10 | Unhelpful | worse, the diff will miss their local work that was before the cherry-pick. |
01:08:19 | Llorean | Ah |
01:09:03 | Llorean | Dunno then |
01:09:03 | Unhelpful | the only clean way to handle the situation, as i see it, would be to find the last svn revision which has nothing non-svn after it, and diff vs that. |
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01:10:36 | kugel | Bagder, Unhelpful: nevermind, make clean helped |
01:10:39 | Unhelpful | but that would mean scanning the entire log. i think that we should rather expect devs who use git to be sensible - don't cherry-pick from svn, update branches with rebase, not merge or pull, ie , don't do anything that will mix local changes with svn ones. |
01:11:16 | Llorean | Unhelpful: I think expecting them to be sensible (and maybe even noting how it can fail somewhere) is reasonable. |
01:11:59 | Unhelpful | actually... i'm not sure that a cherry-picked svn change will still "look" like an svn change. i know that merging from svn instead of rebasing on it will probably fail, though. |
01:15:15 | Unhelpful | "merge" basically means "add changes from that branch to this one"... "rebase" is more like "forward-port this branch to the latest version of that one" |
01:15:47 | Llorean | So could you diff against the last rebase? Does that even make sense? |
01:16:22 | Llorean | And use the SVN revision of the last rebase, too, for that matter? |
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01:17:33 | Unhelpful | i don't think there's any explicit way to detect a rebase in the log... however, git-svn adds a line to commits that it pulls from svn, with a git-svn-id in it that includes the svn revision |
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01:18:50 | Unhelpful | i think that, under the assumption that the developer is acting sensibly, the best course of action is to find the newest commit with a git-svn-id, use that as the svn revision, and as the "parent" for producing a diff as well. |
01:19:31 | Unhelpful | git diff can do commit-vs-othercommit or commit-vs-workingtree, just as svn diff can do, so it's really a matter of deciding what to diff against. |
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01:29:17 | Unhelpful | ok, "git log −−grep=git-svn-id -1" will pop out just the latest commit tagged as being svn |
01:30:09 | Llorean | Well, I don't think it's unreasonable to tell developers they should ask sensibly when using git. :) |
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01:34:02 | Unhelpful | that advice extends beyond git, really - "if you're working on this project, or indeed any other, can you just please act sensibly?" :) |
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02:07:43 | Unhelpful | Llorean: ah... svnversion adds that M for us, it's not any logic in our version script... but i can add logic to add such an "M" for git as well. :) |
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02:14:13 | * | Unhelpful notices that git status helpfully exits with a 1 no matter what the working tree has in it :/ |
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02:22:27 | Unhelpful | Llorean: would using a "M" on git if there are committed local changes, and "D" if there are uncommited ones, be ok? or should it just always be "M"? |
02:22:42 | Vern | how do i find a compatibilty list, will it work on touch screen devices etc? |
02:24:16 | saratoga | Vern: theres a list on the front page |
02:24:19 | kadoban | Vern: compatability list for what? rockbox in general? the front page has the list |
02:24:56 | Vern | oh thats, ok |
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02:25:32 | Unhelpful | ie, right now the branch where i'm working on FS #9758 reports "r19777M-090117" |
02:25:44 | Unhelpful | if i edit some files without committing them, that changes to "r19777D-090117" |
02:26:53 | Llorean | Unhelpful: I think always using an M is best (to me). Personally I'd rather there never be differences, but I'm not sure what others will think |
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02:27:32 | kugel | committing is a vc-only thing, i.e. if you change the source, the build is changed, no matter if the changes are committed or not, so M in both cases imo |
02:27:55 | Unhelpful | the "what others will think" part of that is why i suggested alex ask the ML in the first place :) |
02:28:38 | Llorean | I think the difference between M and D will only matter to the host of the repository, and by the time they know what local git ID it came from, they'll know if it was dirty or not by the diff. |
02:28:45 | Unhelpful | kugel: the difference is that in git, "commit" is a local operation, and creates local history, and that you can create a commit ID which the developer can use to "find" that work. |
02:29:22 | kugel | yes, but that does hardly matter for the version string |
02:30:02 | kugel | rockbox-info.txt will contain more detailed infos (if I got this right now), and developers will always have to look that up, no matter of D or M, not? |
02:31:20 | Unhelpful | it doesn't yet, but i think the "next" step would be to add fields with the git commit-ish, and working tree status, for git repositories. |
02:32:08 | kugel | right |
02:32:20 | Llorean | I think it's best to leave the version number as "simple" as possible. So even casual people who are around to help can see the "M" and know "modified" rather than occasionally seeing "D" and having to ask around further |
02:32:33 | kugel | I don't think we need to complicate the version string more if rockbox-info.txt is containing all valuable information |
02:32:34 | Llorean | The less we put in the version number, the better, in my opinion. |
02:32:45 | kugel | just M if it's modified, nothing if unmodified |
02:33:18 | kugel | i.e. I agree with Llorean ;) |
02:34:18 | Unhelpful | the "dirty tree" method as alex has coded it wil not detect the addition of new, untracked files - it will only add an "M" for changes to tracked files. i don't *think* anything in our build system allows for the addition of a new file, without modifications to existing ones, to change the build output |
02:35:20 | Unhelpful | git-svn does not automatically get svn's ignore props, though, so maybe ignoring new files in the dirty-tree detection is for the best. |
02:35:22 | kugel | that's right |
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02:36:05 | kugel | that's why creating a build folder will not cause the addition of M |
02:36:31 | kugel | (unless you svn add those I think) |
02:37:44 | Unhelpful | it looks that way, yes. |
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02:52:58 | kadoban | is there any way to get a sense of the popularity of rockbox targets? (like maybe are the statistics for number of downloads of each available somewhere?) |
02:53:59 | Unhelpful | here's alex's patch modified to output a version string in the same format as the existing ones from svn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9758#comment27744 |
02:54:21 | Unhelpful | and if my summary of the issues brought up seems biased, let me know, because i don't mean for it to be :) |
02:55:22 | saratoga | kadoban: Bagder posts download figures for the main site from time to time |
02:55:35 | saratoga | the Ipod Video and E200v1 typically top the list |
02:56:04 | kadoban | saratoga: great, thanks. that's mostly what i wanted to know anyway (which to really test well) |
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02:57:29 | TheCHris | hey anyone here? |
02:57:35 | TheCHris | i need help |
02:57:57 | saratoga | theres a lot of people here |
02:57:58 | kadoban | TheCHris: there's almost always someone here. it's usually easier to just ask your question instead of asking permission first :) |
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02:58:12 | TheCHris | oh sorry |
02:58:23 | TheCHris | well im not sure how to use rockbox on my sansa |
02:58:46 | TheCHris | like i extracted rockbox to it and i dont know how to use the plugins |
02:59:46 | kadoban | TheCHris: you'll probably have to be more specific. is there some error, or are you just generally confused? (did you check the manual by the way? it's a great place to start) |
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03:00:03 | TheCHris | how do i get to the manual |
03:00:11 | kadoban | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
03:00:37 | TheCHris | and also when i use the auto installer for rockbox it sais its in MTS mode and i need to be in MSD or something |
03:00:55 | saratoga | yeah thats in the manual |
03:01:17 | kadoban | TheCHris: you have to change that setting in the original firmware |
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03:04:04 | TheCHris | do i have to start it in restore mode or normal mode? |
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03:04:39 | kadoban | TheCHris: you should really read over the installation section of the manual, there's some important information in there (section 2 it is i believe) |
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03:09:21 | TheCHris | ok i did everything the manual sais |
03:09:31 | TheCHris | now i dont know how to use rockbox still |
03:10:12 | kadoban | TheCHris: if you installed correctly, simply restarting the device should start rockbox |
03:11:03 | TheCHris | ohhh nvm i got it |
03:11:04 | TheCHris | thanks |
03:11:11 | kadoban | you're welcome |
03:12:29 | TheCHris | ok now how do i get my songs on rockbox |
03:13:46 | kadoban | TheCHris: rockbox does not have USB support activated yet, so you boot into the original firmware to transfer songs |
03:13:56 | kadoban | in sansa players that is |
03:14:25 | TheCHris | i already have my songs in it but how do i get to them to play |
03:14:43 | kadoban | that is quite well covered in the manual :) read on |
03:15:24 | TheCHris | i dont see it |
03:15:55 | kadoban | i believe chapter 4 is browsing and playing |
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03:18:09 | TheCHris | sooo why are all my songs gone now lol |
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03:27:52 | kadoban | TheCHris: they probably aren't unless you did something odd in the installation. try the 'database' browser if you can't find them in files |
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03:32:33 | PaulJam | TheCHris: i think on sansas the music directory is hidden by the original firmware. try if you can see your music when you set the "show files" setting in rockbox to "all". |
03:34:00 | gartral | PaulJam is right, alternitively, you can put x:\music (where X is the drive letter in wondows) |
03:42:27 | TheCHris | grr i cant get this to work |
03:42:47 | TheCHris | like when i uninstall rockbox i cna see all my music but when its in i cant |
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03:43:46 | gartral | is RB on your dap? |
03:44:31 | TheCHris | dap? |
03:44:31 | Unhelpful | TheCHris: how are you trying to access your music using RB? |
03:44:44 | gartral | digital audio playerr, your sansa |
03:44:49 | TheCHris | throguh database |
03:44:58 | TheCHris | and yes it is |
03:45:21 | gartral | ohh.. it sounds like you never ititilised the database |
03:45:33 | TheCHris | how do i do that |
03:45:52 | gartral | (please excuse my horrid spelling, its -10 here and the heatewrs arere out) |
03:46:20 | TheCHris | oh lol its like -20 here |
03:46:30 | TheCHris | well how do i do that? |
03:47:02 | gartral | put the selector over the database entry and long press the select key, there should be a n initialise now selection |
03:47:17 | gartral | third item down on my e250 |
03:47:20 | Unhelpful | gartral: if DB is disabled, it should ask him to initialize it, instead of just showing him nothing, shouldn't it? |
03:47:56 | gartral | uhh, depends, ive seen this happen with my moms dap, particularly if show all isnt enabled |
03:47:59 | TheCHris | its enabled |
03:48:40 | gartral | now wait a few seconds and try again |
03:48:42 | TheCHris | still not showing my music |
03:48:56 | TheCHris | i have a C200 btw |
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03:49:46 | Llorean | TheCHris: What format is your music in? |
03:50:03 | TheCHris | mp3 |
03:50:12 | Llorean | Does it have ID3 metadata? |
03:50:15 | gartral | DRMed mp3? |
03:50:27 | TheCHris | whats ID3 metadata |
03:50:43 | Llorean | Is it properly tagged? |
03:51:23 | TheCHris | my music? |
03:51:32 | Llorean | Yes. |
03:51:55 | TheCHris | yeah |
03:52:03 | Llorean | How was it transferred to the player? |
03:52:03 | TheCHris | i mean what do u mean by properly tagged |
03:52:08 | TheCHris | oh |
03:52:18 | TheCHris | through windows media player |
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03:52:32 | Llorean | While the player was in MTP mode, then? |
03:52:43 | TheCHris | yeah |
03:53:05 | gabe565 | Try to re sync it in MSD mode |
03:53:14 | TheCHris | how? |
03:53:18 | gartral | the id3 tags are the info most software and hardware MP3 players use too display all the info from the song, like genre, album, year, artist... |
03:54:13 | gabe565 | Do you use Windows Media Player to sync song to your Sansa? |
03:54:20 | TheCHris | yeah |
03:54:24 | gabe565 | Sorry I meant songs |
03:54:39 | gabe565 | OK so you were in MTP mode before you har Rockbox when you did that? |
03:54:54 | gabe565 | Ugh, I meant had |
03:54:56 | TheCHris | yeah |
03:55:30 | gabe565 | OK so hol down the 'down' button and wait till a quickscreen comes up |
03:56:24 | TheCHris | its not coming up |
03:56:51 | TheCHris | how long do i hold it for |
03:56:58 | gabe565 | Just a few seconds |
03:57:28 | gartral | hold it for 5 |
03:57:33 | TheCHris | what screen do i do it on |
03:57:36 | gabe565 | Yeah about 5 should be good |
03:57:46 | Llorean | It takes 2. |
03:57:52 | gabe565 | Try it from the main menu |
03:58:00 | gabe565 | Anywhere should work |
03:58:03 | TheCHris | it just scrolls down fast |
03:58:08 | TheCHris | and doesnt do anything |
03:58:10 | Llorean | The button map for the c200 isn't the same as the e200 |
03:58:18 | gartral | umm, jold right |
03:58:24 | gartral | hold right* |
03:59:05 | TheCHris | thats not working either |
03:59:34 | gabe565 | Let me check the keymap |
03:59:36 | gabe565 | hold on |
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04:00:57 | gabe565 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansac200/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-410004.1.1 |
04:01:10 | gabe565 | It says long submenu should do it and that's the down button |
04:01:33 | gartral | what bui;d are you useing? |
04:01:55 | gartral | build* |
04:02:33 | TheCHris | build? |
04:02:36 | TheCHris | like firmware |
04:02:52 | gabe565 | Have you downloaded it recently? |
04:02:58 | gartral | yes, how did you install rockbox? |
04:03:06 | gabe565 | A build is kinda like a version number |
04:03:09 | TheCHris | i have the newest |
04:03:38 | gabe565 | Then try restarting your player |
04:03:43 | gabe565 | Then try to hole 'down |
04:03:53 | gabe565 | Then try to hold 'down' |
04:03:54 | gartral | r19778? |
04:04:00 | TheCHris | did |
04:04:05 | TheCHris | i |
04:04:18 | gabe565 | Yeap that's the newest |
04:06:33 | TheCHris | grr this is so confusing |
04:07:08 | gabe565 | #makeuseof |
04:07:12 | gabe565 | oops sorry |
04:07:18 | gabe565 | That was for a different topic |
04:08:50 | gartral | TheCHris: how about holding the rec button, this isnt supposed too pull up the quickscreen, but it should bring up the recorder |
04:09:38 | gabe565 | I am not understanding, it seems like nothing is working for you! (???) |
04:10:48 | gartral | right, my friend drake has an OLLLLD c240, and it has these problems once in a blue moon's build |
04:10:51 | gartral | brb |
04:12:17 | gabe565 | That sound pretty annoying! OK |
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04:16:17 | gartral | and IM getting a data abort as soon as PCM buffer fills... with every codec |
04:16:41 | Llorean | gartral: Using a build you downloaded from us? |
04:17:03 | gabe565 | What player? |
04:17:13 | gartral | might as well be, only thing i changed was the bootsplash |
04:17:20 | gartral | my e250 |
04:17:31 | Llorean | gartral: "might as well be" isn't the same as "is" |
04:17:44 | gartral | i DID NOT change the core, at all |
04:18:00 | gartral | ALL i did was change the bootsplash |
04:18:02 | gabe565 | Try a normal build and see if you're still having the problem |
04:18:15 | Llorean | You compiled it yourself, though. There can be problems with the compiler / compiling environment. |
04:18:30 | gartral | i did it from JDs system... |
04:19:14 | Llorean | In the time you've been arguing, you could've downloaded and installed an official build and then proved me wrong, then. |
04:19:31 | gabe565 | Just try a normal build!!! You can always back up the one you have |
04:19:45 | gartral | actually, in the time we were arguing, ive been waiting for my dap too load and windows too see it |
04:20:11 | Llorean | It takes 2.5 minutes for your DAP to boot up and windows to detect it? |
04:20:22 | gartral | its been my intention too do as yyou say, its just ive been saying i dont change core functions |
04:20:47 | gartral | well, it take 2.5 minute for the antivirus too relinquish its drive |
04:20:55 | gabe565 | That must be annoying |
04:21:13 | gartral | yea, but ide rather be safe than sorry |
04:21:20 | gartral | there we go |
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04:22:50 | gartral | and now we wait for my POS 60 kbs dl speed... |
04:24:07 | gartral | ohh, were fast today, it hit 85 |
04:24:25 | Llorean | gartral: You don't need to tell us any of that... |
04:25:28 | gartral | mm.. sorry.. im just used too the run of the net not beliving me unless i do >.> |
04:26:52 | gartral | yep... same symptoms |
04:27:08 | gabe565 | Have you had this problem before a few minutes ago? |
04:27:11 | Llorean | And you installed the full build, overwriting codecs and the main binary? |
04:27:33 | gartral | yes, i DELETED the .rockbox that was there |
04:28:14 | Llorean | When did you install your bootloader? |
04:28:17 | gartral | data abort at 000090D0 (0) |
04:28:45 | gartral | i try weekly, it alway says its up to date |
04:29:00 | gabe565 | Have you had this problem before a few minutes ago, though? |
04:29:14 | gartral | noo |
04:29:21 | gartral | not before today |
04:29:36 | Llorean | gartral: The next step is stepping back SVN revisions to see which one introduced it, and filing a proper bug report once you know which one. |
04:29:44 | Llorean | Since you can compile, you can be exactly specific. |
04:29:57 | gartral | i KNOW 19777 worked, for a fact |
04:30:27 | gabe565 | Hmmm, seeing what 19778 changed, it shouldn't have broken it |
04:30:36 | Llorean | 19777 only changed keymaps |
04:30:44 | Llorean | It didn't touch a single file outside of the /plugins folder |
04:31:10 | Llorean | er 19778 |
04:31:12 | gartral | well, ill try going back too r~770 |
04:31:19 | Llorean | If 777 worked, why go earlier? |
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04:31:37 | gartral | too see if it was a fluke |
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04:32:12 | gartral | i had one last week where make reconf mad a firmware_flash.rock in the e200 builds |
04:32:23 | gartral | made a* |
04:33:35 | gartral | i cant rebeber how too batch build.... |
04:33:39 | gartral | remember |
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04:34:27 | kadoban | gartral: when trying to figure out determine working revisions, i believe it's better to go from the official daily builds (weren't you doing that already?) |
04:34:50 | gabe565 | It's faster to get a daily build than to compile |
04:35:25 | gartral | look above, it really wouldnt matter at the speed AT&T calls "fast" |
04:36:10 | Llorean | kadoban: The daily build is only useful for starting points. Several builds happen throughout the day so you can't figure out what specific one it is without compiling for yourself. |
04:36:55 | kadoban | Llorean: sorry, 'daily' wasn't supposed to be in that sentence |
04:37:34 | Llorean | kadoban: Well, "official builds" without the daily doesn't make too much sense either. What other official builds are there besides the single "current" one and the older "release" one? |
04:38:38 | gartral | http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=sansae200 <−− these "old" ones |
04:38:43 | kadoban | i guess i'm insane, i thought sometihng was there that isn't...i'll stop talking now |
04:39:04 | gartral | dont worry, that happens too me alll the time |
04:39:57 | Llorean | gartral: Those are *daily* builds. |
04:40:04 | Llorean | As I've already stated, daily isn't ideal for this sort of thing.. |
04:40:22 | gartral | i know, but there still labeled as "old" |
04:40:31 | Llorean | Yes, but I asked what builds *other* than the dailies |
04:40:38 | Llorean | Pointing me right back at the dailies makes no sense as a response to that. |
04:41:15 | gartral | ive always assumed that "daily" ment the newest build and old were the old dailies |
04:42:06 | Llorean | If you have plural daily builds for a single target, clearly it has to refer to previous ones... |
04:42:51 | gartral | is this getting a tad OT? |
04:43:44 | gabe565 | Yes |
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04:44:00 | Llorean | What "the daily builds" refers to is pretty on-topic. |
04:44:04 | gartral | anyway, do you think i deen too build the last few revisions, or are we satisfied with "r~777 broke it" |
04:44:14 | Llorean | You said r19777 works |
04:44:20 | Llorean | "r~777" doesn't mean anything |
04:44:36 | Llorean | If 19777 works, it doesn't make sense to say it broke it. |
04:44:46 | gartral | r19777 |
04:44:59 | Llorean | What about r19777? |
04:45:16 | gartral | i hate my laptop's kb, so im trying too do things in as few keystrokes as possible... |
04:45:35 | Llorean | So drop the r~ and type the 19 instead |
04:45:44 | Llorean | Or use a whole single extra character and include the r. |
04:45:54 | Llorean | But there is a revision 777. |
04:46:34 | gartral | we all get that my misquote meant r19777, right? |
04:47:07 | Llorean | But how could 19777 be the one that "broke" it if you claim it worked fine? |
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04:48:47 | gartral | i never said r19777 broke anything, im saying its the last one that worked |
04:49:03 | gartral | im saying r19778 broke playback |
04:49:22 | Llorean | ""r~777 broke it" is what you said. |
04:49:28 | Llorean | So yes, you DID say 19777 broke it. |
04:49:34 | gartral | ohh, i guess i did type "r19777 broke it" didnt i? |
04:49:47 | gartral | well.... i ment r19778 >.> |
04:49:52 | Llorean | I seriously can't read minds. |
04:50:07 | Llorean | Please, read what you type before you hit the enter key. It takes a few seconds more, but it results in less talking in circles. |
04:51:11 | Llorean | As to 19778, I can't imagine how it could've broken it. What player are you testing on? |
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04:52:00 | gartral | e250 v1 |
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04:55:15 | Llorean | gartral: I can't reproduce. |
04:55:38 | * | _Auron_ misread that out of context |
04:55:55 | Llorean | My PCM buffer fills quickly and fine, and no crash even after the compressed buffer is full. |
04:56:43 | kadoban | r19778 works fine for me on e280 v1 |
04:59:57 | gartral | im noticing its prominent in higher quality files |
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05:01:14 | gartral | i get 30 seeconds and then a data abort |
05:01:53 | gartral | the address given is 000090D0 (0) |
05:02:03 | Llorean | gartral: You said "every codec" |
05:02:24 | Llorean | Quality of file then is irrelevant for WAV and doesn't make sense for FLAC. |
05:02:28 | Llorean | Can you give more specific details to reproduce? |
05:02:48 | gartral | ogg files, MP3s, acc and wav all fail |
05:02:54 | Llorean | You also said when the PCM buffer fills, but this should take far, farl ess than 30 seconds. |
05:03:12 | Llorean | The PCM buffer fills almost instantly since it only contains a couple seconds of audio. |
05:03:20 | gartral | hit play on a file, 30 or nso seconds of choppy playback, then a data abort, what else is there |
05:03:45 | Llorean | Hitting "play" doesn't launch a file. |
05:03:48 | Llorean | It resumes the previous playlist. |
05:03:51 | gartral | no, trying too load a comlete album, it fills very very quickly |
05:04:05 | gartral | ok, HITTING SELECT |
05:04:05 | Llorean | The PCM buffer fills and empties frequently and rapidly |
05:04:08 | gartral | oops |
05:04:10 | Llorean | You may be thinking of the compressed buffer. |
05:04:35 | Llorean | Anyway, I've just tried high quality MP3, average quality MP3 and FLAC and none of them are causing crashes. |
05:04:56 | gartral | all 4 buffer FILL syncronusly and then it crashes, there is no reproduction trick, just trying too play my music |
05:05:46 | gartral | also, it doesnt seem too matter between MSD ir internal memory |
05:05:51 | gartral | or* |
05:06:28 | Llorean | It's possible that your sansa's damaged then. |
05:06:56 | Llorean | If you deleted your .rockbox folder and installed a completely clean build, then we should be able to reproduce this problem. |
05:06:58 | gartral | but it worked last build |
05:07:06 | gartral | i did |
05:07:37 | Llorean | gartral: So explain why two other people with e200v1s have now tried it and have no problems at all? |
05:08:18 | gartral | how do i build 19777 from svn? |
05:08:30 | gartral | i dont know, but the last build worked |
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05:10:22 | Llorean | gartral: Just use SVN to "update" to 19777 (update can update to a specific revision as described in the man page) and then build it as normal |
05:10:25 | gartral | hrmm... most of my mp3s are 48 khrz sample rate |
05:11:16 | gartral | it says "skipped '19777' |
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05:12:34 | kadoban | gartral: are you running svn update -r 19777 ? something tells me you're not |
05:13:25 | gartral | ohh, no, i forgot "-" |
05:14:57 | gartral | ohh, i needed svn CO -r 19777 |
05:16:07 | danpeterson | Could somebody please give me access to edit on the Wiki? |
05:25:55 | gartral | ok, at least now most of my music plays, all the 46 khrz sample rate stuff overloads the buffers still |
05:26:08 | gartral | 48* |
05:27:36 | kadoban | gartral: there's really a difference between 19777 and 19778? that seems...difficult to understand |
05:29:29 | kadoban | especially considering that there appears to be exactly one non-comment change, and that's just to the keypad of a plugin |
05:29:30 | gartral | i swear, i wouldnt be here if my music played... as it is, im down too two albums both in VBR MP3 at 48khrz sample rate... |
05:29:55 | kadoban | gartral: i realize, but 19777 is really different? if so, something odd is going on |
05:29:56 | gartral | that dont play |
05:30:20 | gartral | i could go back another revision, but i can swear it was 19777 |
05:30:35 | kadoban | testing is better than swearing :) |
05:30:38 | Llorean | And you're sure you played those albums in it? |
05:30:47 | Llorean | Since it seems now that it's not "all albums fail" but "these two albums fail" |
05:31:56 | gartral | that whats got me, its skindred/roots rock riot, and disturbed/ liberate that are the "ultra high" quality albums failing in 19777 |
05:32:12 | gartral | but in 19778, anything i tryed too play failed |
05:32:24 | gartral | and all in the same way, at the same address |
05:32:49 | Unhelpful | bad memory? :/ |
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05:41:59 | gartral | so what goes into that space? |
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08:31:28 | Unhelpful | obviously. is there any reason to say it once, let alone twice? |
08:36:49 | Unhelpful | http://build.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=20090117T072648Z&type=iPod%20Color%20-%20Normal looks very, very wrong. |
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08:39:23 | rasher | Looks like a possible multithread problem? |
08:39:59 | Unhelpful | that's the same host that had disk full issues yesterday, i'm thinking something wrong with its svn checkout. |
08:40:41 | rasher | Ah, could be, I just remember missing lang strings popping up when trying to build old revisions with -j 2 |
08:40:47 | Unhelpful | all that mess is in stuff i didn't touch, or even go near - the revision touches one .c file, and no headers anywhere. |
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08:41:55 | Orph | Hello, |
08:42:07 | Unhelpful | the "missing initializer" spam makes me think a bad header... though i suppose it could be a generated header, that isn't being generated before things that dep on it. |
08:42:08 | Orph | Rockbox is available on the Sansa e260 yes? |
08:42:12 | Orph | I just bought one off of woot, lol |
08:42:41 | Unhelpful | Orph: on sansa e200v1, yes... i would imagine refurbs from woot have fairly low risk of being v2 |
08:44:00 | Orph | eh, either way it was cheap.. and Ive never had an mp3 player before. |
08:44:08 | Orph | and it has FM etc, so it was worth the money rockbox or not. |
08:44:46 | tmzt | only the firmware version will tell you probably, they change the backs occassionaly (I have a m20x from woot.com with REFURB on the back) |
08:45:11 | Orph | lol |
08:45:40 | Orph | either way, $29 for a 4gb mp3 player should be nice. |
08:45:42 | rasher | Unhelpful: the lang stuff is generated, so it could very well be.. just seems weird that it only happens on that server |
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09:10:25 | Unhelpful | very, very weird. i can't help thinking that it's no coincidence it's that server, again, though. |
09:11:46 | tmzt | anyone who can confirm that installing a bootloader built from source will allow booting OF on 8gb fuze? |
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09:15:11 | Unhelpful | i don't think any of our fuze people are around at the moment... and i have *no* idea what the status of dual-boot is on it. have you checked the wiki, or the forum? |
09:16:10 | tmzt | I followed the forum and have read from the beginning then the middle of the v2 thread, I did read that booting OF worked and I know this is necessary to recover if there is a problem |
09:17:37 | tmzt | the only thing I have seen in wiki is a message that v2 players are not supported and the V2 pages which document the firmware format for instance |
09:24:02 | Unhelpful | unfortunately, i don't have anything to add to that :/ |
09:29:14 | tmzt | thank you anyway, I thought kugel was usually here at this time but I guess it's later than I thought |
09:30:33 | Unhelpful | he left about 6 hours ago, roughly |
09:30:40 | Unhelpful | or last spoke, anyway |
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10:40:10 | linuxstb | tmzt: As far as I know, dual-boot should be working fine on the Fuze - the risky code is in rbutil/mkamsboot/dualboot.S, which hasn't been touched for weeks. |
10:40:55 | linuxstb | But if it's broken, you can brick your Fuze, so you may want to wait until someone can confirm current SVN is working... |
10:40:56 | tmzt | so the process is build mkamsboot from svn and use it like rbutil? |
10:41:00 | tmzt | right |
10:41:48 | tmzt | I'm somewhat concerned about the key problems since they are used to determine which firmware to boot |
10:42:31 | linuxstb | You type "make" in rbutil/mkamsboot, then "mkamsboot <original firmware file> <rockbox bootloader> <output file>" and then copy the output file to your device. "rockbox bootloader" is the bootloader-fuze.sansa file. |
10:43:01 | linuxstb | You then (or even before that) need to install a main Rockbox build. |
10:43:33 | tmzt | what is dbop? |
10:45:06 | linuxstb | "Data Block Output Port" - the output port used to communicate with the LCD. |
10:45:11 | bertrik | dbop = data block output port, it's an interface to send/receive data from a parallel bus |
10:45:25 | tmzt | something like gpio? |
10:45:38 | bertrik | it's used for interfacing the display on the ams sansas |
10:47:29 | bertrik | tmzt, yes, a bit like that, but it can do parallel data, has a FIFO and is quite configureable to generate control signals |
10:48:36 | tmzt | ok, has anyone here tried this on their fuze (I can repartition if necessary), and what version would they recommend (revision)? |
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10:56:26 | pixelma | kadoban: did you put your plugin at flyspray already? (and what is it?) |
10:57:24 | kadoban | pixelma: yeah, it's...FS #7369 SGF viewer/editor |
10:57:49 | linuxstb | Wow, that's old... |
10:58:08 | kadoban | haha yeah, it was dormant for a while, i never really made it nice...going back to it now to finish it |
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10:59:11 | linuxstb | kadoban: Another option, if you're short on buttons on some targets is to put things in the menu, rather than on buttons. |
10:59:59 | kadoban | linuxstb: yeah, i already did that a bit. it's difficult because i definitely need 2 directions of movement and a "fire" button, and a menu button...and it's /quite/ painful if i don't have yet another direction of movement |
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11:02:23 | kadoban | how does the off button work in ondio? could i somehow use that for a modifier button (like a shift key), or does it turn off the device if it's help for not a very long time? |
11:02:26 | linuxstb | kadoban: Looking at your patch, you don't appear to be using any button combinations - they will help. |
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11:03:32 | pixelma | 4 directions + fire + menu shouldn't be a big problem, there are quite a few plugins already using sonething similar (on Ondio this could be the 4 directions + "short menu" = fire + "long menu" = menu or the "off" button here though I don't like it that much) |
11:04:22 | kadoban | linuxstb: do you know a good example plugin that does that? (if not i can find one or make a test for the logic of combinations) |
11:05:21 | linuxstb | Maybe sudoku |
11:05:25 | linuxstb | See sudoku/sudoku.h |
11:06:47 | kadoban | linuxstb: thanks, i'll have a look |
11:06:53 | pixelma | that one doesn't have a nice mapping on the Ipods though (IMO) |
11:07:57 | kadoban | i /think/ my mapping for the ipod is already okay (i don't own one but i've seen a bunch) |
11:08:13 | linuxstb | kadoban: BTW, I've just noticed your files have the old Rockbox (C) header in them. You should update that to the current version, assuming you are happy with the change (basically just clarifiying that the files are GPL v2 or later) |
11:08:52 | pixelma | kadoban: the "off" button serves as a hard power off on the Ondio but only when held for a while (I think +8 seconds), some things already use long and short "off", e.g. pause vs. stop in the WPS and it works quite well, I've never powered it off by accident. |
11:09:01 | kadoban | linuxstb: oh, thanks. i hadn't noticed it was updated. |
11:09:30 | linuxstb | kadoban: And "//" comments are forbidden, and indenting should be 4 spaces. See docs/CONTRIBUTING for the coding style rules. |
11:10:11 | pixelma | but the "off" button is placed at the top of the unit and isn't well suited as a "modifier" because it's a bit away from the main button pad - the "menu" button is better as a "modifier" there and button combos with it are possible |
11:10:13 | kadoban | linuxstb: hehe, yeah...i have a script to change things to rockbox style but i hate editing in it so i'll do it at the end. i'm using typedefs a lot too which i think i need to fix |
11:11:07 | kadoban | i could use short off for a menu and then long menu for a modifier i suppose |
11:11:25 | kadoban | (short menu has to be "fire" i think) |
11:11:39 | kadoban | err...something like that |
11:13:40 | pixelma | don't you need _PRE conditions when using the same button with BUTTON_REL and BUTTON_REPEAT? |
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11:14:25 | pixelma | that suggestion for the Ondio doesn't sound too bad |
11:14:29 | kadoban | pixelma: i don't know, do i? it works without them on the sim and e200 |
11:15:55 | kadoban | i'll see what i can figure out from sudoku, i see it's using _PRE |
11:16:29 | Unhelpful | hrm, what's special about the targets that i got yellow on... :/ |
11:17:11 | pixelma | maybe it doesn't matter here much because the long press is calling the menu (and then the release event can't call SGFBUTTON_PLAY). Guessing here a bit though... |
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11:18:11 | Unhelpful | coldfire. hrm, can i generally rely on an int, an enum, and a bool having the same size? |
11:18:19 | pixelma | Unhelpful: maybe the common factor is coldfire... |
11:18:44 | kadoban | pixelma: oh, that would make sense i think...assuming the "normal" button gets triggered after the _REL |
11:18:58 | Unhelpful | pixelma: i would guess so... it's aliasing warnings for the config variables that are bool or enum instead of "real" int. |
11:19:44 | Unhelpful | configfile doesn't have a bool type, and i'm pretty sure the enum config type must use int, as each enum is its own type? |
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11:20:30 | * | linuxstb spots a very messy build table... |
11:21:08 | Unhelpful | those 3k points are so not my fault, though ;) |
11:21:57 | linuxstb | No, I'm just talking in general... And some problems seem to be build-server related... |
11:23:41 | Unhelpful | pixelma: coldfire makes it possibly a gcc3-specific problem. i can kill the type-punning warning, but i want to make sure that it really is safe to cast bool* and enum* to int*, and that the warning is truly bogus... |
11:25:22 | linuxstb | Don't other plugins use enum/bool settings? |
11:26:08 | Unhelpful | linuxstb: many plugins avoid using configfile, and just write a raw struct out to disk as their config file |
11:26:41 | linuxstb | True, but some do... |
11:26:41 | Unhelpful | dice.c was the one i looked at, and it uses TYPE_ENUM, but the variable that the config option maps to is an int |
11:27:15 | pixelma | kadoban: btw. if you start using combos... there some limitations in which buttons can be combined on some targets (e.g. only combos with "Play" on the H100 (H300 as well?) or basically none on X5/M5) |
11:28:20 | linuxstb | Maybe a "TYPE_BOOL" should be added to the configfile lib, to at least keep that clean. |
11:28:38 | kadoban | pixelma: i /think/ the only keypad i had a problem with not having enough buttons was the ondio, so hopefully that will be the only one. mrobe 100 i completely guessed on the buttons, but that was just because i don't know the device |
11:29:18 | Unhelpful | linuxstb: probably. the enum situation is a bit trickier... i'm looking for other examples, pacbox has all of its settings as TYPE_ENUM, and they're all ints |
11:29:48 | linuxstb | Unhelpful: Yes, I'm looking as well - seems all enum settings are using ints... |
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11:30:35 | Unhelpful | really, i'm not sure how TYPE_ENUM *can* be made to work if you don't assume sizeof(enum) == sizeof(int) |
11:31:30 | linuxstb | Well, it seems "TYPE_ENUM" is for integers storing an enumeration... |
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11:32:40 | Unhelpful | right, but in this case, i'd have to change an existing enum to some #defines |
11:33:17 | linuxstb | No, you can still use an enum. e.g. see the "source" setting in wavrecord.c |
11:34:38 | Unhelpful | that's exactly what i was doing, but it throws a warning about type-punning on the targets that use gcc3 |
11:34:49 | Unhelpful | same for using TYPE_INT for bool |
11:35:07 | linuxstb | No, I mean you declare the items in an enum, but actually use an int to store them. |
11:35:59 | Unhelpful | ohhh.. i see. the bool variables are modified by core menu functions that expect a bool*, so again the assumption of same size comes in... |
11:36:23 | linuxstb | A new TYPE_BOOL would seem to be sensible to fix that. I guess no other plugins use bool settings. |
11:36:54 | Unhelpful | PUN_PTR is likely safe for now, i would think? |
11:38:56 | linuxstb | I would just keep things simple (and clear) and do what the other plugins do... |
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11:40:47 | Unhelpful | i meant for the bools. one of them already has a copy around the set_bool call, to detect change, so i'm making the variables ints, and copying them to bools for set_bool |
11:42:19 | linuxstb | I'm not following - are you talking about the current SVN version? |
11:43:54 | Unhelpful | yes. the yellows i recently committed are because of gcc3 throwing a type-punning warning on passing pointers to bool/enum types to configfile. |
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11:44:35 | linuxstb | I know, and my suggestions were to implement a TYPE_BOOL for the bools, and to store the enums as ints, the same way as other plugins. |
11:44:37 | Unhelpful | adding a TYPE_BOOL is possibly the right long-term fix, but i don't have time to do that until at least tonight. |
11:45:39 | Unhelpful | i changed the enum to an int. the bool are now int as well, until i have a chance to do something about configfile itself. |
11:47:48 | Unhelpful | hrm, wouldn't adding TYPE_BOOL require adding another pointer to struct configdata? |
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11:49:47 | linuxstb | I'm just looking at that as well... Maybe a union could be used. |
11:50:59 | Unhelpful | if a union, it could also absorb the char *string member, which would actually make the struct smaller. |
11:52:49 | Unhelpful | an anonymous union could allow the fields to retain their names as they are now on access... but initializers would still need to be treated as unions. |
11:59:04 | Unhelpful | the band-aid is commited, with a note about appropriate long-term fixes. i'll try to tackle that the next time i have a chance to work for a bit, if nobody else gets to it first. |
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12:07:44 | Unhelpful | actually, i might have enough time right now... do we want "0" and "1" in the config file for TYPE_BOOL, "on"/"off", or "true"/"false"? |
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12:09:24 | Unhelpful | 0/1 would be easiest, just one of the string pairs would be next-easiest, and all three supported would be probably more complex than it should be. |
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12:39:47 | Unhelpful | i'm not going to be able to finish this now, but i've started with 0/1, using an anonymous union. it's going to touch every single struct configdata, unfortunately :/ |
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12:44:09 | Unhelpful | it looks like at least mpegplayer already has options that could convert to TYPE_BOOL |
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14:09:46 | attentah | hi |
14:10:54 | attentah | there is still no support for the ipod classic, should i stay hopefull ? |
14:11:32 | domonoky | attentah: nobody is working on it. |
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14:32:02 | attentah | ok, ... =( |
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15:05:02 | gartral | how do you tell what the current bootloader thats installed is? the RButil just gives what appears too be an MD5 checksum :| |
15:06:27 | domonoky | gartral: you can see the bootloader version at start-up (maybe you have to press a button to see the bootloader text) |
15:07:05 | gartral | ohh, theres no way while the DAP is still plugged in, huh? |
15:07:07 | domonoky | rbutil doesnt know the version. so it remembers the md5sum (better the nothing) |
15:08:26 | domonoky | gartral: yes, for most players this is not possible. |
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15:09:05 | gartral | and rbutil is saying there is no sansa :/ |
15:10:29 | domonoky | yes, it has a bug at moment. either try a older rbutil version, or the manual way. |
15:12:42 | gartral | anyway, im running bootloader 4.0, should i even worry? |
15:13:17 | * | domonoky doesnt know what the newest bootloader for sansa is, but its probably ok. |
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15:17:46 | gevaerts | The latest sansa bootloader is 5.0. |
15:19:08 | gartral | is the volume control in the e200s hardware fixed at -74-6 or can this be adjusted by software? and thanks gevaerts ill go get m1.0.7 since i dont feel like hunting down mingwm10.dll |
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15:21:11 | domonoky | gartral: rockbox offers the full volume range the hardware can give, so yes -74-6db is what the hardware provides. |
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15:27:07 | gartral | thought so, but my mom wanted too know if it could go louder than +6 (which i told her is crazy... buut.. here i am asking >.>) and thanks again gevaerts for telling me that the BL changed |
15:27:45 | gevaerts | You shouldn't actually go louder than 0. Anything above that can introduce distortion |
15:28:44 | gartral | distortion? phtt.. she just went and turned the EQs all the way up... |
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15:29:19 | gevaerts | :) |
15:29:34 | * | mrkiko would like his mom to learn using rockbox |
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15:34:46 | gartral | and if anyone cares, the problems i was having with 19778 are cleared up, after just now updateing the firmware with my patched bootsplash build |
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15:36:07 | PaulJam | When rockbox crashes while the disk is spinning, does the emergency shutdown of the disk when hard reseting potentially harm the disk? (H300 with MK4007GAL) |
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15:39:41 | mrkiko | PaulJam: oh... crashes with rockbox and h300... I'm an expert :D |
15:40:00 | mrkiko | or... I was.. no more crashes now... |
15:41:43 | PaulJam | well, not with the official build. i was testing a patch and was wondering if it is wise to continue testing. |
15:47:27 | mrkiko | I think they harm the disk actually... |
15:47:51 | mrkiko | PaulJam: try to lissten the "CLICK" the disk does when you reset the player... It doesn't sound good... for me at least. |
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15:54:13 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: is it ok if I commit http://pastebin.com/d30aec303 ? |
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16:00:25 | mrkiko | Has then rockbox been committed to gsoc or not? |
16:04:51 | linuxstb | mrkiko: What are you asking? Rockbox was part of gsoc 2007 and 2008. |
16:05:30 | gartral | mrkiko: thats waaaay over with |
16:05:44 | mrkiko | ok ok |
16:05:51 | mrkiko | understood: sorry for the bad english |
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17:09:40 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: that looks wrong to me. ramdisk_buffer is now uninitialised for everyone... |
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17:28:21 | freemind | hello. does someone know how to play pacbox? i have the files on my ipod in the .rockbox folder, but now i'm not sure what to do |
17:30:51 | PaulJam | doesn't the manual give instructions? |
17:31:43 | freemind | what manual? |
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17:32:01 | PaulJam | the rockbox manual: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
17:33:58 | freemind | i cant find anything about mame or pacbox |
17:34:53 | PaulJam | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch11.html#x14-18000011.1.12 |
17:35:41 | PaulJam | which ipod do you have? maybe pacbox isn't available for all models |
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17:36:44 | freemind | i was actually trying to get it on a sansa c200 |
17:37:07 | freemind | looks like it isnt supported, then |
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18:12:44 | rasher | Hello. |
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18:19:15 | indiandragon | hi |
18:21:30 | rasher | Hello. |
18:22:42 | indiandragon | hiya dude,I wanna know whether rockbox supports TV out |
18:23:04 | indiandragon | hav u got any info on tat? |
18:23:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox doesn't support TV out. |
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18:23:48 | indiandragon | oh....is there any development stuff goin on tat? |
18:23:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | Not at the moment. |
18:24:00 | saratoga | theres a patch for the ipod video, but its just for showing pictures i think |
18:24:22 | indiandragon | thnx for d info man.... |
18:24:28 | saratoga | the only rockbox target that i know of having tv out hardware and a fast enough CPU to be useful is the gigabeat S anyway |
18:24:32 | saratoga | and it doesn't support it yet |
18:24:35 | BigBambi | indiandragon: Please use proper English |
18:24:53 | indiandragon | OK sorry |
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18:26:05 | indiandragon | I got a myvu media viewer ,Is there any way I could use it wit rockbox |
18:26:24 | BigBambi | no |
18:27:05 | indiandragon | oh... |
18:27:22 | BigBambi | The list of players that work is on the frontpage of www.rockbox.org .... |
18:28:20 | indiandragon | dude myvu is not a player,itz a glass with which u can watch ipod video |
18:28:27 | indiandragon | an ipod gadget |
18:28:33 | BigBambi | proper english please |
18:28:43 | indiandragon | sorry again |
18:28:55 | BigBambi | And I have no idea what a "glass with which u can watch ipod video" means |
18:28:56 | indiandragon | it is an ipod gadget |
18:29:19 | BigBambi | Then maybe - it depends how it works |
18:29:29 | BigBambi | See www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodAccessories |
18:29:35 | indiandragon | personal media viewer |
18:29:53 | BigBambi | If it uses tv out, then no, as has already been said |
18:30:41 | indiandragon | yes,I get it |
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18:46:03 | indiandragon | does nano first generation got hardware capability to give video out? |
18:46:41 | PaulJam | no |
18:47:40 | indiandragon | oh |
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18:57:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | The only iPods supported by Rockbox that have any form of video-out capability are the iPod color/Photo and the iPod video, and we don't use video-out on either target. |
18:58:56 | indiandragon | thanks <LambdaCalculus37> |
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19:00:01 | indiandragon | is there any project going on to support ipod touch? |
19:00:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nope. |
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19:06:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | indiandragon: Do *not* PM me asking for help. |
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19:26:36 | Monika | hi |
19:27:36 | Monika | I got a problem to run my sansa. |
19:28:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Share with us, so that we may help, and you may gain strength from the sharing. :) |
19:28:05 | Monika | Can some one help? |
19:28:38 | Monika | When i turn on my snasa e200 |
19:28:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | We can only help if you tell us what the problem is. |
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19:29:14 | Monika | It write: "No Partition Found" |
19:29:52 | Monika | I try run it in recovery mode but all tips from faq fail |
19:30:13 | Monika | Recovery stops on state: "Writing Image" |
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19:33:59 | Monika | what should i do??? |
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19:42:10 | Krauser_ | hello |
19:42:25 | Krauser_ | how is everyone doing |
19:43:05 | krazykit | Monika, please have patience in waiting for an answer. if someone can help further, they will (once they read it, of course) |
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19:45:56 | Monika | ok, iv got a time ;-) |
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20:12:56 | Albright | If I wanted to get a Rockbox-compatible player today, which one should I get? |
20:13:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Whatever's listed on the front page at http://www.rockbox.org |
20:14:06 | Albright | But are any of those models still for sale? I searched the web site for most of those and they all seem to be discontinued. |
20:14:07 | saratoga | the buyers guide wiki entry might be neat too |
20:14:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
20:14:20 | saratoga | what does the multilib patch for gcc actually do? |
20:14:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then try eBay. Or better yet, if you'd like to try for an inexpensive player right now, check out http://www.woot.com and buy yourself a Sansa e260. |
20:15:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Woot tends to sell v1 Sansas as refurbed for dirt cheap. |
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20:15:56 | Albright | Hey, that Sansa looks good. Can Rockbox read from the SD card? |
20:16:11 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: It enables building of the various different versions of libgcc.a - for arm mode, thumb mode, big-endian, little-endian, software/hardware floating point, different ARM architectures etc, plus combinations of the above... |
20:16:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox makes use of the microSD card slot, yes. |
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20:16:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | We can also read from microSDHC, something the Sansa OF doesn't do. |
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20:17:10 | gartral | hello |
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20:17:26 | saratoga | linuxstb_: is it a work around for 4.0.3 or will it be needed in all gcc versions? |
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20:17:39 | Albright | Very cool. I think I will buy this. Thanks. |
20:17:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | You're welcome. Have fun with Rockbox once it arrives. :) |
20:18:06 | linuxstb | saratoga: AFAIK, it's needed for all gcc versions. libgcc.a needs to be built with the same CPU options used to build the code you're linking it with. |
20:18:15 | Albright | I actually had a (non-Rockboxed) 4GB Sansa Clip which worked fairly well until I unplugged it from my USB port without unmounting it first... |
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20:18:28 | saratoga | odd that they wouldn't include this in the main gcc, it seems like a pretty useful feature |
20:18:59 | linuxstb | Well, there are probably 1000s of ways to compile libgcc.a - so we only build the ones we need. |
20:19:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Are there any objections to me changing the name of the Gigabeat F manual from "Gigabeat F Series" to "Gigabeat F and X Series"? |
20:19:33 | gartral | rockbox will play for a bit, then freeze, same symptoms as last night, and i know im running the latest BL/fw |
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20:20:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or should we consider splitting off into a seperate Gigabeat X manual? |
20:20:01 | linuxstb | (well, maybe not 1000s, but many - we build 24 of them...) |
20:20:06 | saratoga | LambdaCalculus: that seems sensible |
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20:20:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Which? Renaming or splitting? |
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20:20:28 | saratoga | renmaing |
20:20:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Renaming it shall be, then. :) |
20:20:40 | * | linuxstb agrees with renaming |
20:20:46 | * | LambdaCalculus37 renames the manual |
20:21:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | One other question... should we also add an additional image for the X, or just keep using the F image only? I ask because the X body is different from the F. |
20:22:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://www.newlaunches.com/entry_images/200905/x30_2.jpg |
20:23:56 | soap | fake a third image which averages the screen / X / body sizes half-way between the two. |
20:24:08 | soap | nobody will know. |
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20:29:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unless we can also get a nice SVG of the X. |
20:30:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's a bit of a pain when two DAPs from one company can run the same build and are mostly the same on the inside, but not on the outside. |
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20:32:30 | soap | are they different enough? I really was serious about making a hybrid image. I think if you average out their slight differences the small image (at least) will be transparent to the casual looker. |
20:33:00 | soap | I guess for the full-size (manual) image there is more of a need. I guess I was thinking more of the download page. |
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20:40:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | soap: I posted a link a little bit up comparing the F to the X. |
20:41:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | The X looks more like a Gigabeast in body style than an F. |
20:41:29 | soap | Oh, I saw the picture. |
20:43:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | The biggest differences are the LCD (2.4" on the X, 2.2" on the F), a ZIF connector on the hard drive, and the buttons are smaller and further up on the side of the player. |
20:48:33 | soap | side buttons zif connector not visible. The dimensions of the body also appear to be at a slightly different ratio - as does the cross/X - that is why I suggested averaging - ahh nevermind. |
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20:57:34 | saratoga | is it safe to disable libssp when compiling gcc for rockbox? |
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20:58:40 | gartral | rockbox plays for a bit then freezes, im not too shur whats going on, the crash is wierd, it doesnt return an error, it just blackscreens and freezes |
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21:00:01 | Unhelpful | saratoga: i would *think* so. we don't build for target with ssp enabled, do we? |
21:00:35 | saratoga | and the wiki says its not needed |
21:00:40 | saratoga | should have searched there instead of google |
21:04:51 | gartral | how do i play just one file? |
21:07:36 | PaulJam | gartral: either put it in a separate folser and play it, or from stopped playback insert it in the playlist via the context menu. |
21:08:34 | gartral | insert inserts the whole folder |
21:08:56 | PaulJam | the file itself has a context menu too. |
21:09:07 | gartral | thats what i mean |
21:09:37 | Llorean | If you insert on just a file, it only inserts the one file. |
21:11:35 | gartral | oh.. i think it used too be the way i described a long time ago |
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21:14:54 | MOHDMACH | Hi |
21:15:21 | MOHDMACH | I need wiki right's permission to post my theme. |
21:15:59 | MOHDMACH | It is safe to post real names in here? |
21:16:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
21:16:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | What's yours? |
21:16:20 | MOHDMACH | ImranMohammed |
21:16:37 | gartral | gareth schakel heren :) |
21:16:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | One moment while I set you up. |
21:16:50 | gartral | here* |
21:16:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | gartral: I didn't ask you. |
21:17:06 | saratoga | hmm gcc 4.3.2 errors out with "as: unrecognized option '-mcpu=arm7tdmi'" even with multilibs |
21:17:11 | BigBambi | MOHDMACH: Rockbox requires the use of real names, so whenever you edit the wiki etc it will be shown |
21:17:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | MOHDMACH: All done. |
21:18:25 | MOHDMACH | Thanks I just wanted to be sure posting the real name would be safe. |
21:18:40 | BigBambi | Safe in what way? This is a public logged channel |
21:18:59 | BigBambi | But as I say, everytime you edit the wiki it is on the website for all to see |
21:25:16 | amiconn | saratoga: It says 'as'. That means gcc 4.3.x also passes enhanced cpu options to the assembler, which the assembler doesn't understand |
21:25:35 | amiconn | (same thing why you need binutils 2.19 when fiddling with gcc 4.3.x for coldfire) |
21:25:40 | MOHDMACH | Safe as in nobody will use my name to post their stuff and if they do they will be punished for it somehow. |
21:25:53 | BigBambi | ? |
21:26:12 | BigBambi | How on earth will we punish anyone/be able to tell/etc |
21:26:15 | _Auron_ | in other words you don't want someone fraudulently using your name and making a bad name for you |
21:26:22 | BigBambi | Anyway, this is getting off topic now |
21:27:04 | MOHDMACH | Yeah nevermind then. |
21:27:09 | Unhelpful | MOHDMACH: nobody's going to be posting stuff under your name on the wiki with just your name |
21:27:47 | saratoga | amiconn: I've got binutils 2.19 though |
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21:27:52 | saratoga | i thought that issue was solved |
21:28:47 | MOHDMACH | Ok. I guess I am informally agreeing to take this risk anyway since I already made up my mind to post the theme or formally or whatever makes sense. So forget about the question. |
21:30:54 | Gareth | gartral: hmm? |
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21:31:24 | BigBambi | Gareth: He was just posting his name (for some reason), and not pinging you :) |
21:31:53 | Gareth | Ahhh okay. |
21:31:58 | Gareth | cool :) nm then. |
21:32:01 | amiconn | saratoga: Then you need to find out what's going wrong. |
21:32:39 | MOHDMACH | Anyone remember a theme called "Ipod Simple"? |
21:32:43 | amiconn | I would expect gcc 4.3.x to work for arm. It's not that arm would be an uncommon architecture... |
21:33:01 | saratoga | i would expect the current release of binutils to build for it too, but apparently not |
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21:37:03 | MOHDMACH | I can't delete the .DS_Store file it keeps coming back but the guidelines say it has to be removed. |
21:37:45 | saratoga | hmm theres people online using gcc 4.3.2 and binutils 2.19 so i must be missing something |
21:37:53 | MOHDMACH | I say it is both amusing and annoying trying to delete these. |
21:37:58 | saratoga | perhaps the snapshot i grabbed is broken |
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21:39:57 | amiconn | What snapshot? Why not the release version(s)? |
21:40:37 | amiconn | There seems to be a similar bug in a debian package for avr. Maybe your arm-elf-gcc calls 'as' instead of 'arm-elf-as'? |
21:40:41 | saratoga | amiconn: the release issue has some bug in it, i'll try and find the posting about it |
21:41:09 | * | amiconn thinks that an strace should tell |
21:41:54 | saratoga | http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-binutils@gnu.org/msg06475.html |
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21:43:28 | amiconn | oh fun... |
21:43:54 | * | amiconn would probably try 2.18.x for arm instead of a snapshot |
21:45:08 | * | amiconn also wonders how much (or little) testing goes into binutils releases |
21:45:26 | amiconn | I mean, if a release doesn't even *build* for arm ... |
21:45:58 | saratoga | yes that was surprising, although i think the issue is specific to compiling it with gcc 4.3.x |
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21:49:40 | Unhelpful | linuxstb: here's what i've come up with, at this point. i'm not even sure it's worth making a FS task for it, there are lots of examples of things that could use TYPE_BOOL using an int and custom menu labels... |
21:49:54 | Unhelpful | http://pastebin.com/m350cee28 |
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22:03:38 | theone2 | I'm getting a build error on my h340 with stock source code, anyone know what could be the problem? |
22:03:46 | theone2 | the error is as follows: |
22:04:24 | linuxstb | Unhelpful: That looks OK to me. A third opinion would be nice though, but if no-one shouts I would just commit it. |
22:04:38 | theone2 | CC firmware/system.c |
22:04:38 | theone2 | /home/me/rockbox/firmware/system.c:49: error: `MAX_PATH' undeclared here (not in a function) |
22:04:38 | theone2 | /home/me/rockbox/firmware/system.c:49: error: storage size of `cpu_boost_calls' isn't known |
22:04:38 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK theone2 |
22:04:38 | theone2 | /home/me/rockbox/firmware/system.c:49: warning: 'cpu_boost_calls' defined but not used |
22:04:38 | theone2 | make: *** [/home/me/rockbox/build-h340/firmware/system.o] Error 1 |
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22:05:26 | theone2 | I'm svn rev. 19785, the most recent |
22:06:31 | theone2 | and I also have logf enabled |
22:06:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | theone2: Please use a pastebin next time. |
22:07:13 | Unhelpful | it looks like those should later be ported from oldmenuapi, and use set_bool_options? |
22:08:38 | theone2 | Lambda, sorry, here it is: http://pastebin.ca/1311100 |
22:11:03 | theone2 | it seems logf is the problem; the build works if disable it |
22:11:36 | theone2 | except I need logf |
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22:23:47 | theone2 | never mind, I fixed it; I have to comment out line 49 in fw/export/systemn.h |
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23:10:30 | jbenj | im converting 320x240 videos from the web, mostly mp4's, using MediaConverter, to 220x176 for the Sansa. |
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23:10:56 | jbenj | I dont happen to be useing the pre-set extentions for the sansa, as there is a slight problem with the browsers, |
23:11:10 | jbenj | i have the parameters set by hand, using LAME etc |
23:11:23 | jbenj | it works fine but Im going from an 80meg file to a 135meg file |
23:11:41 | BigBambi | jbenj: File conversion is not really on topic here |
23:11:55 | jbenj | nobody seems to be speaking |
23:12:17 | BigBambi | The channel is logged and for support and development. People read the logs |
23:12:37 | BigBambi | People don't want to have to wade through of topicness when they read the log |
23:12:39 | soap | #rockbox-community −−−−> |
23:12:47 | jbenj | anyway, my question is complete, does getting a larger , 135mb file show that im doing something wrong? |
23:12:55 | soap | #rockbox-community −−−−> |
23:13:07 | BigBambi | It is still off topic, see soap's suggestion |
23:13:26 | jbenj | ive lurked here before and seen much more off-topic chatter |
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23:28:11 | Unhelpful | linuxstb: i actually meant that i didn't think it was a good idea, but i hadn't seen that core provides for setting bools via menu with labels, so i thought that many of the int-as-bool cases would need to stay |
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