00:00:03 | bertrik | LambdaCalculus37, can't you simply make screenshots of the simulator for the clip? |
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00:00:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: I was trying to do that, but the screenshots are coming out looking like Archos shots. |
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00:01:01 | saratoga | today's SVN is the first version that has ever been able to reboot into USB mode on my sansa |
00:04:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: Hang on, I'll show you a screenshot. |
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00:04:40 | bertrik | LambdaCalculus37, you mean it looks like light-green on black? |
00:05:32 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: "screenshots of the similator" != "screenshots using the simulator" |
00:06:09 | gartral | you _could_ take system screens and crop them... |
00:06:25 | gartral | though its a bit of work, i can help with that |
00:06:56 | kugel | or, fix the sim so that it yields accurate screenshots |
00:07:23 | gartral | linuxstb: as far as my page edit goes, what do you think i should do too the line in question? |
00:07:25 | kugel | well, not exactly fix, as it's probably just dumping the framebuffer |
00:07:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26428579@N02/3218240405/ |
00:08:02 | linuxstb | gartral: The original sentence on the page is clear to me. |
00:08:03 | Bagder | well, the fix would probably involve changing colors |
00:08:34 | saratoga | should be easy enough to #ifdef a color transform into the screen dump function |
00:08:50 | kugel | does the m:robe sim give similar screenshots? |
00:09:26 | gartral | linuxstb: that really doesnt answer my question, i as asking for a suggestion, not a reference... |
00:09:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Not sure, let me find out. |
00:10:04 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Huh? My suggestion is to do nothing. |
00:10:09 | * | LambdaCalculus37 remembers the manual |
00:10:14 | linuxstb | I mean gartral... |
00:10:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: The screenshots in the manual are the proper red on dark red of the m:robe screen. |
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00:11:41 | kugel | if the sim gives accurate screenshots for the m:robe, that it'll maybe just be a matter of adapting the mechanism to the clip (I don't know what the mechanism is) |
00:11:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Me neither. That's best left to someone who knows it. |
00:12:25 | kugel | though, maybe without having the 1 pixel black line between the yellow and blue parts, but that would be acceptable, wouldn't it? |
00:12:56 | kugel | but maybe the magic funman did to make the sim dual color my be a difficult to handle :( |
00:13:12 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wishes funman were here |
00:13:38 | gartral | linuxstb: reload and check, please |
00:13:40 | linuxstb | kugel: It's unrelated to the sim. The screendump function simply dumps lcd_framebuffer[] - it's the same function in the sim and on the target - apps/misc.c:screen_dump() I think. |
00:14:29 | kugel | ah yes, I thought so, that's why I wondered if the m:robe sim is similary bad |
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00:16:57 | linuxstb | gartral: Reload what? I can't see any changes to RockboxPlayer or your pastebin. |
00:17:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 rolls an m:robe 100 sim |
00:18:31 | saratoga | LambdaCalculus37: perhaps this is a clue: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17033 |
00:18:34 | gartral | the patebin just updated |
00:19:08 | Bagder | right the mrobe colors => http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/lib/grey_core.c?r1=17033&r2=17032&pathrev=17033 |
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00:20:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Indeed that's a clue. |
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00:21:43 | linuxstb | gartral: Ah, you mean the newer posts to the same pastebin site? |
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00:24:17 | gartral | linuxstb: yes,im using pastebin as my editing platform for ease of review |
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00:30:18 | saratoga | there is agreement that problems with ipod accessories should not be filed in FS bug reports right? |
00:30:38 | gevaerts | I don't know. It's in svn now |
00:30:56 | saratoga | we don't implement like 90% of the protocol though so most things are going to be buggy |
00:31:09 | saratoga | i'm not sure we need a seperate FS entry for every device that uses a feature we don't implement |
00:31:15 | saratoga | particularly when theres a wiki page |
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00:31:58 | linuxstb | saratoga: How are people supposed to know? Does the manual mention anything about accessories? |
00:32:50 | saratoga | i don't think it does |
00:33:01 | * | LambdaCalculus37 checks the manual |
00:33:23 | saratoga | i'm not sure what the manual could realistically say other then "you device will work, or else not work" |
00:33:32 | saratoga | an exhaustive list is impractical |
00:33:40 | linuxstb | gartral: As I said, I prefer the existing 3rd paragraph to your version. Some of your other changes are fine, but I don't like the phrase "hack the OF" - it's not what Rockbox is about, plus readers of the page probably won't understand "OF". |
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00:34:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: I think a quick blurb that says "Some iPod accessories may or may not work with Rockbox" is sufficent. |
00:34:07 | linuxstb | saratoga: Maybe just something like "Support for accessories isn't complete - for further information, see http://.....wiki page.... |
00:34:38 | linuxstb | Plus. don't people need to enable accessory power for some (all?) accessories? |
00:34:47 | saratoga | i think thats on by default now |
00:34:53 | saratoga | in either case I favor closing FS tasks and directing people to the wiki |
00:35:15 | gartral | ok, how about rephrasing it to: "understanding the original firmware"? |
00:35:18 | linuxstb | Yes, I think I agree - although be polite ;) |
00:35:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb, saratoga: "Support for accessories isn't complete - you may or may not be able to use your device with Rockbox. For further information, see http://....bla bla...." |
00:35:26 | linuxstb | (that was to saratoga) |
00:35:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Sound good? |
00:35:34 | saratoga | yes that sounds fine |
00:35:45 | saratoga | i think soap was working on a wiki page with all the info he collected from the forums thread anyway |
00:35:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Where in the manual should it go? |
00:35:56 | pixelma | kugel: I found out why DancePuffDuo and iAmp don't work on the Clip (sim). The packages are alright and the bmp is there btw..., thing is that the on the Clip bitmaps which are wider than LCD_WIDTH refuse to load. The two themes reuse one bitmap each which has the width of the H100 main display (160), probably not to duplicate unnecessary and it works for the Iriver remote (can only test in the sim though) |
00:36:11 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: We can't be any more specific about what kinds of things are likely to work or not? |
00:36:52 | pixelma | now, question of the day - why are there differences and what is the proper behaviour. And does it make sense to have "dedicated" but then 2 bitmaps more? |
00:37:22 | saratoga | i don't know much about the manual so i'm not the one to ask |
00:38:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Thus far, from my own tests, my docking station works, but it's audio-out only and has its own dedicated volume control. And I tried a car adapter with my video and got both audio out and charging. |
00:40:34 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: Did they require the accessory patch to work at all? Sounds like they might have worked without it... |
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00:42:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: They didn't need it. |
00:43:30 | linuxstb | gartral: Maybe simply "understand how the device works" |
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00:46:07 | gartral | ok, i did that change |
00:46:20 | pixelma | soo... what about bitmaps wider than LCD_WIDTH (or height) in the WPS: should they be rejected or not? Of course I can fix the issue first by introducing a smaller bitmap (would save some space on the Clip, need a bit more on the Irivers), the general question remains though |
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00:48:14 | linuxstb | pixelma: Which bitmaps are you talking about? (in those WPSes?) |
00:48:48 | pixelma | the bg.bmp used as a small background like part, loaded statically |
00:49:14 | pixelma | in case of DancePuffDuo |
00:49:34 | pixelma | line.bmp in iAmp |
00:49:35 | linuxstb | In practice, assuming they still fit in the buffer, there's nothing to be gained by sharing one bitmap, so I would say to split them |
00:50:21 | linuxstb | In fact, won't bg.bmp be loaded from disk twice anyway? Meaning that all that's saved is disk space. |
00:50:25 | pixelma | you save a tiny bit of disk space ;) |
00:50:33 | * | linuxstb is catching up... |
00:51:15 | pixelma | yes, I think it'll be loaded twice so no load time saving |
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00:52:09 | gartral | the sansa clip's screen can be considered a "trichrome" scheme, right? |
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00:53:10 | Bagder | monochrome is two colors so three colors would rather be bicrome ... |
00:55:13 | gartral | ok, but what im getting at is: wouldnt it be sensable too have rockbox's render code render in the native colors for the screen? |
00:55:29 | gevaerts | huh? |
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00:56:08 | Zagor | clip doesn't handle −−rbutil for some reason |
00:56:15 | Zagor | I mean −−rbdir |
00:56:19 | Bagder | gartral: isn't this what we've talked about the last hour(s) ? |
00:56:59 | pixelma | quite a few themes look odd on the Clip's screen though because positioning was optimised for the Iriver remote which obviously does not have such a weird gap and two colors |
00:57:01 | linuxstb | gartral: The only problem is the screen_dump() function. |
00:57:20 | linuxstb | And yes, I think that needs fixing. |
00:58:03 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, the clip is "special" |
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01:10:15 | linuxstb | Zagor: Hmm, so the bootloaders don't use ROCKBOX_DIR ? |
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01:11:20 | Unhelpful | pixelma: i'm pretty sure that the loader fails unscaled loads of bitmaps wider than LCD_WIDTH on all targets |
01:12:03 | pixelma | well, it worked in an H100 sim (from early January though) |
01:12:44 | Zagor | linuxstb: yes they do. but I didn't change the bootloader, I merely did a new test build in a different rbdir, and tried to rolo into it. and it fails, the same code that works with standard rbdir. |
01:13:02 | Unhelpful | right, but the bitmap is exactly LCD_WIDTH wide in that case, right? or did i misread? |
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01:13:44 | pixelma | Unhelpful: more precisely, it was a bitmap which was LCD_WIDTH of the main display and was reused in the smaller remote WPS too |
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01:15:10 | linuxstb | Zagor: rolo is working on the Clip? |
01:16:10 | Unhelpful | pixelma: interesting... the unscaled loader reuses the same chunk loader that the scaler frontend uses, but unlike the scaler, it fails outright if the bmp file is wider than LCD_WIDTH (which is also the maximum chunk size) |
01:16:41 | Zagor | linuxstb: yes it does. but it somehow only runs builds made with rbdir=.rockbox |
01:16:57 | Unhelpful | basically because the code is smaller if it never has to check to see if it's used all of the current chunk - it assumes that 1 chunk == 1 line |
01:17:29 | Zagor | linuxstb: though it could of course be something else, this is just the symptom. I haven't looked deeper into it. |
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01:19:18 | Unhelpful | this is justified on the basis that 1) i'm pretty sure that's what the old loader did, anyway (though i'd need to check to be certain) 2) it's a waste of memory to load a bitmap larger than any screen the device or its remote has |
01:20:19 | linuxstb | s/larger/wider/ - Rockbox uses "bitmap strips" in the WPS. |
01:20:56 | Unhelpful | linuxstb: sorry, yes, i did mean "wider". |
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01:25:16 | * | Zagor runs his clip at 4 MHz |
01:25:56 | gevaerts | Can it decode APE? |
01:26:08 | Zagor | I'm playing ogg |
01:26:19 | Zagor | using boosting, of course |
01:26:29 | Unhelpful | gevaerts: of course it can! |
01:26:50 | * | gevaerts was too vague :) |
01:27:10 | Zagor | I'm boosting memcpy(), lcd_update() and ov_read_fixed(). that's enough to make it quite usable. |
01:28:03 | Unhelpful | "play" might've been a little better, or you could've said "in realtime" ;) |
01:29:41 | Zagor | something in pcmbuf seems to need a little nudge too. wav works nicely at avg cpu speed ~6 MHz until something goes wrong and it stops |
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01:32:02 | gartral | http://gar.pastebin.com/m5e49b328 <−− any suggestions before i commit this too the Rockbox player page? |
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01:41:57 | * | Zagor didn't know there was a lossless wma codec |
01:42:39 | Unhelpful | Zagor: for a while now. it is, of course, not in any way the same codec. MS seems to have a problem with that. :/ |
01:43:10 | gartral | so my commit is safe? |
01:43:47 | rasher | gartral: looks good, and it's a wiki anyway, so no harm |
01:44:52 | Unhelpful | indeed, it's versioned, if we hate it after your edit, we can just change it back, and maybe ban you ;) |
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01:48:25 | gartral | well, theres nothing really ban worthy in it, its just to mainly fix to poor grammar |
01:49:17 | Unhelpful | no, i really do think it's just fine. the ;) was there to indicate that the "ban" comment was a joke. it has failed, and will be disposed of. |
01:50:34 | gartral | oh, ssorry, i dont take jokes too well >.> |
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01:51:56 | Zagor | my troubles seem to be SD related. when playback stops I can't go into the file browser anymore. |
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02:14:28 | pixelma | Unhelpful: so loading a wider image than the remote display worked on the Iriver RWPS because the limits are set by the main screen's specifications? |
02:14:58 | Unhelpful | pixelma: exactly. |
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02:48:24 | gartral | the e200s use the 176 pixel wide USB logo, right? |
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02:50:25 | Unhelpful | well, their displays are 176 wide |
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02:51:38 | geokite | Hi everyone. Got a reply on the forum after stating that I'm booting from RAM on my H120 that "then you need to update the flashed rockbox to be in sync with the files in .rockbox" Any idea as to where information to do this would be? Tried searching the wiki for "flash sync ram" but no luck. |
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03:09:42 | gartral | Unhelpful: nope, uses the smaller one |
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03:15:53 | soap_ | geokite: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing |
03:15:59 | soap_ | I believe is where you need to start. |
03:17:43 | soap_ | That being said - I was not familiar with this procedure outside anecdotal knowledge until I searched the wiki for "iriver flash" so I am not sure if this procedure is depreciated or not. That being said (x2) - I think if this is what you did the first time around then... |
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03:27:08 | geokite | Thank you soap. I didn't find anything there concerning syncing the flash with the files in .rockbox |
03:27:55 | Unhelpful | geokite: basically, the flash and the stuff in .rockbox needs to be the same version |
03:28:05 | Unhelpful | or at least, that's what i would expect is meant |
03:29:09 | geokite | The player is a CF modded player, and I was under the impression that I needed the 7pre4 bootloader. |
03:30:28 | Unhelpful | i'm not sure about the bootloader, but if you've flashed the rockbox executable, it should be the same version as your installed codecs and plugins. |
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03:31:43 | geokite | Are you saying that I need to flash the player under the version I intend on using? |
03:33:37 | Unhelpful | i don't have an iriver, but if you're flashing rockbox, your codecs and plugins will need to be from the same version as the flashed rockbox. codecs and plugins are tied to API versions, which change over time in the rockbox executable. |
03:33:38 | geokite | The main problem I'm having is further detailed at http://tinyurl.com/cvfsek |
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03:46:15 | saratoga | geokite: so how are you updating versions in the fs entry if you don't know how to flash? |
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05:37:17 | shad0w1e | hey is anyone familiar with the Toshiba Gigabeat? I've formatted it and now it will not flash no matter what I do - just says NO SYSTEM FOUND ON HDD. thanks |
05:38:49 | Llorean | The instructions don't say to format it. |
05:39:01 | krazykit | shad0w1e, you'll need to go through the recovery procedure as detailed here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures |
05:39:18 | krazykit | and restore the GBSYSTEM directory and contents |
05:39:47 | shad0w1e | hmm I think I did |
05:40:18 | shad0w1e | well theres only GBSYSTEM/FWIMG |
05:40:24 | krazykit | clearly you didn't, or you formatted it as NTFS |
05:40:31 | shad0w1e | its fat32 :) |
05:40:55 | shad0w1e | maybe i need to use the original cd rather than the download? |
05:41:03 | shad0w1e | although the download did come with a format and firmware flash tool |
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05:48:55 | shad0w1e | AHHH GOTIT! |
05:49:06 | shad0w1e | i think it was the missing fonts |
05:49:12 | shad0w1e | i used the rockbox dummy fonts... |
05:50:52 | krazykit | which work just fine when you're using rockbox. |
05:51:16 | shad0w1e | yup im screwed |
05:51:30 | krazykit | are you not using rockbox? |
05:51:36 | shad0w1e | not now |
05:51:39 | shad0w1e | i had no fonts files |
05:51:43 | shad0w1e | so i figured id use those |
05:51:59 | shad0w1e | the player boots further but now i dont get mass storage access... |
05:52:05 | shad0w1e | so i may need to take it apart.. |
05:52:06 | shad0w1e | :( |
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05:54:42 | krazykit | it might be best to do the recovery procedure (a very simple operation) and restore your gigabeat with the files included with the gigabeat room software, then reinstalling rockbox |
05:55:02 | shad0w1e | recovery wont work now ... i made things worse |
05:55:08 | shad0w1e | since the PC never recognizes the drive now |
05:55:24 | shad0w1e | unless thers some way to get the device to stop booting midway |
05:57:00 | krazykit | the recovery procedure works, no matter what you do to the drive (short of physically damaging it) |
05:57:21 | shad0w1e | oh |
05:57:44 | shad0w1e | pc isnt recognizing device though. |
05:58:06 | shad0w1e | where do i find out about the recovery procedure? |
05:58:15 | krazykit | i linked it earlier. |
05:58:19 | shad0w1e | o that link |
05:58:47 | shad0w1e | its suggesting i disconnect the HD |
05:59:16 | krazykit | that's correct. |
05:59:28 | shad0w1e | simple eh |
05:59:28 | shad0w1e | :P |
05:59:32 | shad0w1e | this is gonna be fun.. |
05:59:54 | shad0w1e | guess i wanna do this sooner or later anyway to upgrade the drive with the one from my other jukebox |
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06:00:14 | krazykit | as long as you don't rush, you'll be fine |
06:00:34 | shad0w1e | im stuck at step 1 :) |
06:01:34 | krazykit | what, reading the Gigabeat Disassembly page? |
06:01:40 | shad0w1e | yep |
06:01:41 | shad0w1e | oh i got it |
06:01:44 | shad0w1e | needed some prying |
06:02:31 | krazykit | you'll want to remove only the two screws that hold the backplate in. you can leave the ones for the front plate alone |
06:02:51 | shad0w1e | yep gotit |
06:02:54 | shad0w1e | thanks |
06:02:58 | shad0w1e | it was that font that did me in |
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06:13:41 | shad0w1e | great .. i need those fonts |
06:15:00 | krazykit | those should be available on your cd or from the gigabeat room software you can download (i don't know about this part though) |
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06:15:21 | shad0w1e | it appears as though its only on your PC once it grabs it off your device |
06:16:06 | shad0w1e | i thnik i found a download though ... really slow.. |
06:16:06 | krazykit | i believe i've read several forum posts suggesting it is in the gigabeat room install directory. |
06:16:13 | shad0w1e | it is |
06:16:19 | shad0w1e | but what i see there appears to be the rockbox fonts |
06:17:21 | gartral | i found two bugs in the Mandelbrot fractal renderer, mainly, if you keep zooming into the center, you'll see a break in the render, also, keep going far enough, it will start to only render a blue screen, no matter how far either way you go afterwards |
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06:32:15 | intrados | is it desired behavior that when inserting music by artist, tracks get added in alphabetical order instead of album order? someone said this was in the faq but I couldn't find it |
06:33:40 | shad0w1e | krazykit, thanks a lot. ive successfully gotten rockbox to load ... although not gigabeat firmware! |
06:35:43 | krazykit | shad0w1e, that's good to hear. and no loss on the gigabeat firmware ;) |
06:35:50 | shad0w1e | haha i know |
06:36:53 | shad0w1e | starting to think i shouldve stuck to my iriver h140... |
06:52:06 | Llorean | intrados: They're sorted by whatever order your tagnavi file defines for them to be sorted by. |
06:54:46 | intrados | Llorean: thanks |
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07:00:57 | intrados | Llorean: that's the order in which they're displayed but that doesn't control the order in which they get added to the current playlist, does it? |
07:08:35 | Llorean | They *should* insert in the same order they're displayed. |
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07:12:07 | intrados | Llorean: err. they do but I don't see how to change the part that I want to. when I do artistFoo > <All Tracks>, it shows me the tracks in alphabetical order. is there anyway to display them as tracks from albumFoo1 and albumFoo2 in album order |
07:15:12 | Llorean | Wouldn't know, I don't use the database. |
07:15:29 | Llorean | If you want all tracks, sorted divided in albums, why not just insert the Artist via the context menu option on it? |
07:16:13 | Unhelpful | it would need us to support multiple sort keys... i don't know if we do? |
07:16:57 | intrados | Llorean: I do just insert the artist via the context menu and it inserts tracks in alphabetical order |
07:17:08 | Llorean | intrados: I thought you said you were playing the All Tracks listing |
07:17:47 | intrados | Llorean: no. I was just showing you what the result of that was since you said that they should insert in the same order that they show up under the database |
07:18:43 | Llorean | I thought insertion of a filter iterated through the results and inserted them in the order they were displayed to the user (skipping <All Tracks>) but I guess I'm wrong |
07:19:23 | intrados | Unhelpful: I guees that's true. unless, you could creat some temporary key from joining the albums sequentially and then sort on that |
07:19:41 | Llorean | But when I said "Order they're displayed" I don't know why you told me about All Tracks when we were discussing the order they were displayed under the "Artist" view |
07:20:17 | Unhelpful | intrados: somehow i expect RB doesn't support that |
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07:20:25 | intrados | Unhelpful: yeah |
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07:23:19 | lucent | can we update http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler to document the new rockboxdev.sh features? |
07:23:32 | lucent | it still says to edit the script |
07:23:48 | lucent | should that be left on the Wiki page for earlier build releases? |
07:24:37 | Llorean | The wiki page should reflect what's available if you checkout current source for dev tools. |
07:24:40 | Llorean | So feel free to update it. |
07:27:51 | Unhelpful | Llorean: so, as i understand it, at present, if i insert or queue multiple directories, i'm creating a playlist, and then random folder no longer works? |
07:28:45 | Unhelpful | if it were implemented decently, would a playlist-friendly, database-oriented "random album" mode be considered for inclusion? or are there serious barriers to doing something at the end of the playlist instead of at the end of directory? |
07:30:46 | Llorean | Unhelpful: I don't know if it'd be possible, currently, to identify a unique playlist as just being an album |
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07:34:01 | Unhelpful | i was more thinking "extend the playlist with a random album upon reaching its end, if this mode is enabled" |
07:35:36 | Llorean | I'm not too sure, either way, whether that would be accepted, honestly |
07:37:05 | Unhelpful | hrm... i'll need to think about how i'd want it to work. tbh, if it's considered too bloaty to be acceptable in core, i would not really object to a TSR plugin, and not being able to use other plugins :) |
07:38:41 | Llorean | I think an "advanced playback modes" plugin might be kinda neat anyway |
07:38:55 | Llorean | Something like, you can tag several genres, and it randomly plays albums (or individual songs) selected from those. |
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07:40:06 | Unhelpful | actually, i think what i would consider ideal would be queueing one or two albums ahead of time, so that you can review them... a "remove album" playlist edit option might be helpful there |
07:40:56 | Llorean | By the time you're at the playlist, right now, there's no real metadata information available to the playlist editor |
07:43:51 | Unhelpful | so, pretty difficult to do, right now... |
07:46:39 | Llorean | Yes. |
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08:46:52 | Zagor | I think it would be nice to use a Car Adapter Mode flag file, to let the bootloader know that it shouldn't enter usb mode on usb boot. |
08:47:31 | amiconn | That'd mean more ifdefing |
08:47:53 | amiconn | Hmm, or maybe not, because every platform has its own main bootloader file |
08:48:27 | amiconn | Anyway, the bootloader should be able to distinguish a charger connection from true usb now? |
08:48:36 | amiconn | (provided you compile a new one) |
08:49:08 | Zagor | aha. /me checks the code |
08:49:27 | amiconn | I mean on software usb targets |
08:49:35 | Zagor | yes |
08:50:01 | Zagor | do we have any hw-usb targets without separate dc charger? |
08:51:08 | amiconn | Hmm. The only ones that come to mind are the Ondios. They don't have charging at all, but can be powered from USB |
08:51:52 | amiconn | Atm they don't offer car adapter mode |
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08:56:12 | Zagor | it looks to me like only IMX31L uses USB_DETECT_BY_DRV in the bootloader (firmware/export/config.h:443) |
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08:57:18 | Zagor | it's a little odd having the usb defines depend on SWCODEC... |
08:58:38 | Zagor | jhMikeS: a little comment explaining the difference between USB_STATUS_BY_EVENT and USB_DETECT_BY_DRV would be nice |
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08:59:40 | amiconn | Zagor: I think that is due to the fact that software usb is currently enabled for i.mx31 only, due to the problems on PP |
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09:00:13 | Zagor | I thought we at least do charger detection on pp |
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09:00:40 | amiconn | Yes, we do, but probably not in the bootloaders |
09:00:52 | amiconn | As soon as those problems are solved, the PP bootloaders should handle usb on their own, imo |
09:01:43 | amiconn | Right now the handling differs between the various PP targets |
09:02:36 | amiconn | Sansa (v1) bootloaders detect usb, and load the OF right away if a connection is found. iPod bootloaders don't touch usb at all. |
09:04:11 | Zagor | sansa loads OF is usb is inserted (powered). I'd like to enable the host/charger detection there. car adapter mode is pretty worthless without automatic poweron imho. |
09:04:14 | amiconn | H10 differs from both, in that the built-in loader comes before our own bootloader, and handles usb itself. |
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09:07:05 | Zagor | in fact I think car adapter mode should be disabled on sansa until they have working powerup. having to pull the usb plug, manually power up, then insert the plug again everytime you start the car is not exactly something to brag about. |
09:07:55 | Llorean | Zagor: Does it work if the Sansa's never shut off? |
09:08:11 | Llorean | for example, if you set idle time to long enough that the period you're out of the car isn't long enough to shutdown the player. |
09:08:35 | Llorean | I mean, that's more or less what you have to do on H100 anyway, since they can't power on with charger, so Car Adapter should just stop/start music with charger detection |
09:08:54 | Llorean | If that much at least works on Sansa, it should probably stay for those who'd use it that way, until we have it even better. |
09:08:56 | Zagor | Llorean: it does. which would be nice for something like couriers I suppose. |
09:09:04 | Llorean | Or pizza delivery, but yes. |
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09:09:29 | amiconn | Zagor: I think the number of targets where car adapter mode is broken is larger than the number of targets where it works |
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09:09:50 | Zagor | I'd like to know if we have a technical reason for not enabling host detection in sansa bootloaders though. gevaerts? bertrik? jhMikeS? |
09:10:18 | amiconn | On some targets it's due to the hardware (e.g. H100, Player), on others it's due to how we're handling things |
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09:28:21 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i meant to ask you... i looked at api init on codecs. it's done in codec_crt0.c now, so really it's only a matter of moving the init to the loader. it only took a couple of minutes, but i'm not sure it really gains anything? |
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09:42:52 | n1s | Unhelpful: consistency between plugins and codecs would be nice imo |
09:44:40 | Unhelpful | ok... that's at least one thing in favor. i notice the codec iram init is handled in the crt0... but there's probably no reason to change that to match plugins, since it's rather less common for plugins, and plugins have to stop audio playback to claim iram |
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09:59:37 | Zagor | I'll write this here for the log. Apple Inc has applied for a patent covering one of our feature requests (FS #301 - Volume adaptation to external noise). Our feature request was filed in 2002. Their patent application was filed in 2007. Patent application here: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20090022329.PGNR.&OS=DN/20090022329RS=DN/2009002 |
09:59:37 | Zagor | 2329 Independent date confirmation of our feature request here: http://web.archive.org/web/20041229202528/www.rockbox.org/requests.shtml |
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10:04:59 | gartral | duly logged, and permma pated to http://gar.pastebin.com/f562f13a5 |
10:06:13 | Unhelpful | we do already have logs of the channel... |
10:06:39 | linuxstb | gartral: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
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10:07:17 | gartral | yes, I'm aware, but with some things, redundancy does help |
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10:11:17 | Unhelpful | well, for what it's worth, here's the codec loader api init patch. i don't think it really needs nearly as much discussion as the plugin one did, since it's not changing any codecs, just changing how the init happens. http://pastebin.com/m38c1cc7f |
10:12:15 | Unhelpful | oh, i suppose i'd need to add an API version bump to that, as well. other than that, any thoughts, suggestions, objections? |
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10:25:27 | vallhalla81 | hello there al i have been trying to use rockbox utility to install rockbox to my ipod 5th gen (60gb) but when i click full install it fails to ad the boot loader i have also tryed ipod patcher to add it but n luck there, any help or tips would be great thank you in advance |
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10:28:11 | vallhalla81 | oh and to ad i have done this from both win xp and Linux |
10:30:50 | Zagor | also for the log: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=614977 |
10:32:46 | lucent | vallhalla81: I don't know. |
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10:32:58 | lucent | if it's a supported target, then it should work |
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10:35:36 | B4gder | Zagor: that url doesn't work when not logged in |
10:36:44 | Zagor | right, we closed the sf tracker when we moved to flyspray. |
10:36:55 | B4gder | yeps |
10:37:05 | Zagor | it can be opened if needed |
10:39:42 | Zagor | Unhelpful: looks good to me |
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10:40:47 | B4gder | hah, this apple patent was filed two days after they filed another "from-rockbox" patent |
10:42:57 | B4gder | hm, no I'm wrong |
10:43:28 | B4gder | the patent office link pointed out a different patent application now ;-/ |
10:43:55 | Zagor | huh? |
10:44:06 | B4gder | see http://www.unwiredview.com/2006/05/04/apples-ipod-audio-interface/ |
10:44:22 | B4gder | it links to an application, but that application was filed in 2007... |
10:44:52 | Zagor | the uspto url:s are a mess |
10:46:54 | Unhelpful | 'k, i'll go ahead with that, then. i think we shook out most of the gotchas with the design when i did it for plugins :) |
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11:16:48 | B4gder | 3 build servers dropped in the last round :-( |
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11:21:47 | lucent | hrm.... I'm getting graphics corruption on the Fuze 8gb now |
11:22:04 | lucent | wonder if kugel would know why that is happening |
11:25:14 | linuxstb | "now" ? So when did it stop working? |
11:27:59 | lucent | linuxstb: there's always been some odd pixel values, what I talk about "now" is that the whole screen goes screwy for a split-second in some instances |
11:28:08 | lucent | this is a new behavior I think since last week or so |
11:28:20 | lucent | I would have to do some regression testing to find the exact commit |
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11:28:36 | lucent | going to wait first maybe kugel knows it's causing problems and he's still working on something |
11:32:22 | linuxstb | OK, but looking at the recent commits, r19791 and r19792 look possible candidates - so I would try r19790. |
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11:39:25 | gartral | how do i reset the pitch controls? |
11:41:16 | lucent | linuxstb: also, just to note, the existing hack to allow the 8gb microSD to be present while booting rockbox without panic, it's panic'ing now |
11:41:21 | lucent | though it works after boot |
11:41:25 | lucent | this is kind of strange |
11:41:42 | lucent | I wish I had the answers and not problems |
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11:42:11 | lucent | 2gb normal microSD works okay present on boot |
11:42:29 | lucent | 8gb class 6 microSDHC present on boot = panic (-4) |
11:43:52 | Unhelpful | hrm... as far as implementing "remove album", would walking the playlist to find files that belong to the same album be a way to do that? and yes, i know that's an awful thing to be doing :/ |
11:44:36 | lucent | Unhelpful: I'm the minority that prefers albums to be a single file |
11:44:42 | lucent | that's easy to randomize. |
11:46:00 | Unhelpful | lucent: well, i'm looking to implement random albums without having to do anything quite so nasty... Llorean thought that maybe a plugin that supports various advanced playback whose utility is too marginal for most users to justify core inclusion might be an idea :) |
11:46:15 | lucent | Unhelpful: can't it be done? just activate when N number of entries after the current playlist position exist, fill with a randomly selected database album |
11:46:25 | vallhalla81 | hey all I have just got a ipod 5th gen(60gb)from a friend he had rock box on it at one point but it is now blank when i try to install rockbox on to it now it fails to load the boot loader i havealso tryed ipod linux instaler but it telsme there is an error with sysinfo file so i had a look and it is blank please advise thank you |
11:46:52 | lucent | vallhalla81: it might need a filesystem before the Apple tools will touch it |
11:47:14 | lucent | depends on how "blank" you are talking about ;) |
11:47:56 | vallhalla81 | lucent: i have manage to downgrade the firmware then upgrade the firmware but it stayes the same |
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11:48:56 | lucent | wish I could help |
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11:50:36 | PaulJam | vallhalla81: does the apple firmware work fine on the ipod? |
11:51:30 | vallhalla81 | yes it all good |
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11:52:08 | PaulJam | what is the error you get when you try to install the bootloader with rbutil? |
11:52:36 | vallhalla81 | failed to install bootloader |
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11:53:08 | PaulJam | hmm, do you run rbutil with administrative rights? |
11:53:28 | vallhalla81 | yes in both windows and linux |
11:53:48 | Unhelpful | lucent: yes, but depending on what you want this to do, it gets more and more questionable whether it belongs in core... |
11:54:27 | Unhelpful | for example, calculating average-last-played and average-rating values for albums based on the per-track stats, and using those as weighting factors in random album selection? |
11:57:43 | vallhalla81 | is there a way to make or download a sysinfo file and replace the blank one? |
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12:00:20 | Unhelpful | what sysinfo file? |
12:00:39 | vallhalla81 | the one in my ipod |
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12:03:59 | Unhelpful | why, does something not work? i really have no idea what this file is supposed to do. |
12:04:15 | vallhalla81 | hey all I have just got a ipod 5th gen(60gb)from a friend he had rock box on it at one point but it is now blank when i try to install rockbox on to it now it fails to load the boot loader i havealso tryed ipod linux instaler but it telsme there is an error with sysinfo file so i had a look and it is blank please advise thank you |
12:04:45 | vallhalla81 | in short;) |
12:05:19 | Unhelpful | what exactly happens when rockbox fails to install or load? |
12:05:39 | PaulJam | the ipod linux installer is not supported here. (to me it sounds as if the sysinfo error came from that) |
12:07:08 | vallhalla81 | no the main issue is that i can not load/install a boot loader |
12:07:30 | Unhelpful | you need to tell us what exactly happens when you try to install the boot loader |
12:08:33 | vallhalla81 | it just downloads it but fails to install it to pod |
12:10:39 | linuxstb | vallhalla81: The Rockbox install tools never look at the sysinfo file - so that's not your problem. |
12:11:05 | Unhelpful | how do you know that it fails to install? |
12:12:08 | linuxstb | vallhalla81: Have you tried using ipodpatcher instead of rbutil? |
12:14:11 | pixelma | and did you only use the "complete installation"? I remember there was a problem with that in the Rockbox Utility once (not sure if it is solved); the workaround was to use the seperate bootloader installation on a second tab |
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12:14:45 | pixelma | so install build and bootloader seperately, you need both |
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12:16:57 | vallhalla81 | linuxstb: yes tryed the patcher too |
12:17:35 | linuxstb | vallhalla81: And what was the message displayed by ipodpatcher? Can you post the output to somewhere like http://pastebin.com ? |
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12:18:13 | MTee | Hi all |
12:18:56 | MTee | linuxstb : are you still working on the rm codec ? |
12:18:59 | vallhalla81 | http://pastebin.com/m7fa6d2e |
12:19:47 | linuxstb | MTee: I've done nothing on rm apart from my start at writing an rm parser a few years ago... |
12:21:15 | linuxstb | vallhalla81: That would point to usb issues - are you using a hub, or just connecting the cable directly to your computer? |
12:21:44 | vallhalla81 | directly to pc |
12:21:48 | MTee | linuxstb : my mid-year vacation is starting in a few days and I might start working on it, but I think I will need help with some stuff :) |
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12:23:21 | MTee | linuxstb : why do you need to write a parser ? couldn't we just use the demuxers and the decoders available on ffmpeg ? (after converting them to use fixed point) |
12:24:51 | linuxstb | MTee: Because we want a small efficient parser designed for Rockbox's codec infrastructure - i.e. one with no dynamic memory allocation, and (if possible) no copying of data. |
12:25:07 | linuxstb | Of course, existing parsers can be used as inspiration though. |
12:26:05 | MTee | I see |
12:26:24 | linuxstb | The other issue is that ffmpeg is a huge library, and it's not easy to extract parts from it directly - there is lots of internal code-sharing between codecs. |
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12:27:34 | linuxstb | vallhalla81: Are you using the front USB ports? If so, trying the rear ones may help. Although I have a suspicion this could be considered a bug in ipodpatcher - short reads should be accepted and then further read attempts made before giving an error. |
12:28:01 | linuxstb | Biut the odd thing is that no-one else has reported it as an issue (as far as I know). |
12:28:38 | linuxstb | vallhalla81: Have you also tried ipodpatcher on Windows? |
12:28:46 | vallhalla81 | linuxstb: just have backports on this machine |
12:28:51 | MTee | linuxstb : about vallhalla's problem, could this be a free-space issue ? |
12:29:00 | vallhalla81 | yes same out putthere |
12:29:22 | vallhalla81 | MTee: 50gb free space |
12:29:53 | linuxstb | MTee: The problem is with the reading, so I'm not sure what you mean. |
12:30:29 | MTee | sorry, mistake. |
12:32:55 | vallhalla81 | the thing is i can transfer files to it no problem |
12:33:32 | linuxstb | MTee: Going back to realaudio, I think the first thing I would do is to try and make Rockbox play an existing codec (e.g. mp3 or ac3) in a Realaudio.container. I think I would then try and port the Cook decoder from ffmpeg (but only for the Sim, as it's floating-point), and then as a last step convert the Cook codec to fixed-point. |
12:34:55 | linuxstb | vallhalla81: I'm not sure what to suggest, unless you're a C programmer... Do you have access to other computers to try ipodpatcher on? |
12:36:14 | linuxstb | Also, are you in the main Apple firmware's USB mode, or the "emergency disk mode" (the one you get by holding SELECT+PLAY whilst booting) ? If you haven't tried both USB modes, then you could try the other one. |
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12:46:03 | vallhalla81 | linuxstb: i will try the oher mode ty or your help |
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12:52:57 | janne_oksanen | I'm probably just freaking out for nothing, but my 5th iPod Video went unresponsive |
12:53:21 | janne_oksanen | the battery should be almost full fwitw |
12:53:55 | janne_oksanen | keylok on/off + menu&select doesn't seem to work this time either |
12:54:18 | janne_oksanen | I've been charging it for an hour no and it's still not coming back to life |
12:54:24 | janne_oksanen | any ideas? |
12:54:42 | linuxstb | How long are you holding menu+select for? It can sometime take up to about 30 seconds. |
12:54:53 | janne_oksanen | probably only for like 5 seconds |
12:55:16 | janne_oksanen | heh, there you go |
12:55:19 | janne_oksanen | thanks :) |
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12:58:54 | rasher | Maybe the manual should be more explicit about this? |
12:59:41 | janne_oksanen | maybe I should have read to manual to know if it should :P |
12:59:45 | janne_oksanen | *the |
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15:04:37 | vertic23 | some iPod pros here? |
15:04:49 | vertic23 | is the 80GB ipod v 5.5? |
15:05:02 | vertic23 | or could it be that it is 5 |
15:05:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | As long as it doesn't look like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/IPod_Classic_6th_Generation.jpg |
15:05:38 | PaulJam | vertic23: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
15:05:52 | vertic23 | http://www.avides.com/cover/ebay/0885909199075_A.jpg |
15:06:01 | vertic23 | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300288825079&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX&refitem=130276123781&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget&_trksid=p284.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%252BIA%26itu%3DCR%252BIA%252BUCI%26otn%3D4%26ps%3D42 |
15:06:08 | vertic23 | it says version 5 |
15:06:08 | linuxstb | vertic23: Why do you ask? As far as installing Rockbox, there is no difference. |
15:06:15 | vertic23 | okay |
15:06:30 | vertic23 | I like the 5.5 design more |
15:06:42 | linuxstb | The "5" and "5.5" look identical... |
15:06:46 | vertic23 | okay... |
15:06:52 | vertic23 | so this one is good to go |
15:07:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | vertic23: Be aware that some people don't know the difference and mistakenly mark the new iPod Classics as "iPod video". |
15:07:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | And the iPod Classic is not compatible with Rockbox. |
15:07:27 | vertic23 | oh - even if it is generation 5? |
15:07:36 | linuxstb | vertic23: That auction calls it an "iPod Classic"... |
15:07:43 | linuxstb | Which is the 6th generation. |
15:08:02 | vertic23 | ...ok but there stands also generation 5... that's why ... ok |
15:08:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Generation 5 is officially known as 'iPod video" by Apple. Those have a plastic face and metal back. |
15:08:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | It looks like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Ipod_5th_Generation_white.jpg/465px-Ipod_5th_Generation_white.jpg |
15:08:57 | linuxstb | Maybe the battery life could be a clue - it claims 5 hours for video, and 30 for music in that auction (if my guesses at German are accurate) |
15:09:09 | Zagor | Once again "classic" proves an excellent choice of name for a new product |
15:09:16 | linuxstb | Or the dimensions/weight |
15:09:34 | vertic23 | they could have copied it from g5 auctions... |
15:09:43 | linuxstb | Then they are mis-advertising... |
15:10:02 | vertic23 | still no reason to buy it :P |
15:10:04 | PaulJam | vertic23: the best is probably to directly ask the seller to make sure. |
15:10:11 | vertic23 | yep |
15:10:32 | vertic23 | or we ask someone from apple to finally get rockbox working on v6 :P |
15:10:39 | vertic23 | 120 GB would be a dream |
15:10:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | vertic23: Not going to happen. |
15:11:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | vertic23: I would recommend that you ask the seller to take a picture of the actual device you're getting. |
15:11:06 | linuxstb | vertic23: My guess would be a Classic - according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod the Classic has 30/5 hours of runtime. The 5th and 5.5th gen had 20/6.5 |
15:12:23 | vertic23 | okay |
15:12:27 | vertic23 | thanks a lot |
15:12:43 | vertic23 | btw have you experience with ipod + rockbox? |
15:12:48 | vertic23 | is it good to handle with the wheel |
15:13:59 | GodEater_ | works fine if you ask me |
15:14:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | vertic23: It's a decent target. |
15:14:13 | GodEater_ | the ipod is my rockbox workhorse, I use it more than any of the other players I have |
15:14:33 | GodEater_ | but not the best by any means ;) |
15:15:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | My iPod video is also my workhorse, but my H340 and beast also fill that void when needed. |
15:17:35 | vertic23 | anybody got an idea what it'd cost to repair a display of my iaudio x5v? |
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15:19:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Quite a bit? |
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15:46:31 | jhMikeS | Zagor: 1) I guess I can clarify or try to invent a more self-describing name. 2) No PP bootloaders can have interrupts enabled and this detection depends on the USB bus reset interrupt |
15:46:49 | zerozillion | hey, a quick question. i just got my first ipod ever and installed rockbox. so where do i place my music now (folder wise)? |
15:47:50 | PaulJam | zerozillion: where you want ( but i would suggest to NOT use the .rockbox folder) |
15:48:38 | Zagor | jhMikeS: so we cannot add charger/host detection in the bootloader? |
15:49:36 | jhMikeS | Zagor: Possibly. I have to either use that vector remap feature or set up memory mapping there. |
15:50:39 | zerozillion | PaulJam ah thnx. so the folders are like scanned automatically for media files? |
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15:50:59 | Zagor | otherwise I don't think the flag file solution is too bad as a workaround |
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15:51:26 | zerozillion | wohoo, got my ipod mini and installed rockbox. now i need hvsc |
15:51:35 | linuxstb | zerozillion: Rockbox has two ways for you to view your music - a file browser to browse the disk's content, or a database built from scanning the entire disk. |
15:51:38 | zerozillion | worn window ;) |
15:51:42 | zerozillion | +g |
15:51:52 | linuxstb | zerozillion: It also has a nice manual ;) |
15:51:56 | zerozillion | i see. thnx for the infos |
15:52:36 | zerozillion | y know, with walkmans i didn't need manuals, so i believe i need no manuals now |
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15:53:26 | linuxstb | You obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't be here asking questions... |
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15:54:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | And we spent a lot of time writing the manual. |
15:55:02 | zerozillion | k, i'll read it when i have probs again |
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17:04:07 | markun | gevaerts: Do you know if it's possible to dump the whole flash of the Meizu in DFU mode? |
17:05:22 | gevaerts | markun: no idea |
17:05:50 | markun | I'm asking since the Meizus and the iPhone both use the Whimory FTL and it looks like the iPhone guys are making some progress: http://github.com/planetbeing/iphonelinux/blob/27b57ac836053d59421a02755920b5be6b1e7805/openiboot/ftl.c |
17:06:02 | zerozillion | ok, the manual does not really cover this - is it normal that .sid files have no sample/digi playback? |
17:06:35 | gevaerts | markun: one of the first things I'd like to concentrate on is USB. Once we have that, we can dump the flash easily |
17:07:13 | markun | true |
17:07:31 | markun | gevaerts: is there anything USB related I could help with tomorrow? |
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17:08:19 | zerozillion | ok, i reset and it works now :???: |
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17:10:45 | gevaerts | markun: maybe interrupt setup. I've never done that before |
17:11:32 | markun | gevaerts: do you have a player now with a working display driver? |
17:11:44 | markun | (that was the M3, right?) |
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17:13:42 | T0paz | anyone here used zenutils? |
17:14:43 | saratoga | T0paz: probably not, since theres only 1 or 2 people working on the Zen |
17:14:59 | T0paz | ok |
17:15:12 | markun | T0paz: maybe mcuelenaere, but he's not here now |
17:15:59 | T0paz | ah, i'll hang around |
17:16:29 | toffe82 | saratoga: any luck with the t400 ? or you don't want to try :) |
17:16:35 | rasher | saratoga: There's a guy on the -dev list having trouble with building arm binutils on Ubuntu - what was your solution? |
17:17:31 | * | kugel sees casahino's patch |
17:17:33 | saratoga | rasher: I replied to that, but basically my problem was specific to a newer version of the tools |
17:17:57 | saratoga | theres no issue with the version hes trying to compile, and using ubuntu and his gcc version I can compile them easily |
17:18:10 | saratoga | so its something wrong with his system I think |
17:18:12 | T0paz | i had issues earlier having set PATH wrong |
17:18:26 | saratoga | toffe82: I hadn't given it anymore thought since asking you |
17:18:30 | gevaerts | markun: yes |
17:18:32 | T0paz | (it was using arm-gcc as both CC and HOSTCC) |
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17:18:53 | rasher | saratoga: didn't know that was you |
17:21:57 | saratoga | toffer82: i looked around a bit for a firmware update, but couldn't find anything |
17:22:55 | T0paz | i'm in awe of the RE of the zen so far - detailed checksumming algorithms and blowfish keys? |
17:23:10 | toffe82 | saratoga: thereis not, there is only the one for the t401 (with wifi) |
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17:24:35 | toffe82 | saratoga: do you have it? do you want it to have a lokk |
17:25:49 | toffe82 | look^^ |
17:37:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=20274.0 <−− Has anyone ever heard of this kind of behavior before? |
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17:59:33 | mcuelenaere | T0paz: you have some question(s) regarding zenutils? |
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18:00:18 | T0paz | ah, hello |
18:00:29 | T0paz | i'm currently messing about (trying to see how things work) |
18:01:04 | T0paz | and have extracted the firmware, made some comedy mispellings in the .jrs file, re-made and signed the firmware, and loaded it back onto the zen, and it seems to work |
18:01:35 | mcuelenaere | you're talking about the Creative ZEN? |
18:01:49 | T0paz | yeah |
18:02:17 | mcuelenaere | yes, the firmware format itself has been broken some time now |
18:02:24 | T0paz | i'm currently trying to decrypt the binary itself to have a look |
18:02:31 | T0paz | i can see various keys in your wiki page |
18:02:39 | T0paz | (very impressed by the way, how on earth did you figure this stuff out?) |
18:02:41 | mcuelenaere | yes, they are also integrated into zenutils now |
18:03:00 | mcuelenaere | well, most of the encryption/decryption stuff was reverse engineered by some one else |
18:03:07 | mcuelenaere | I helped him a bit |
18:03:22 | mcuelenaere | and after that, he disappeared and well now we're here :) |
18:03:44 | mcuelenaere | it's all in the creative ZVM forum thread, but that's quite long to read.. |
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18:07:21 | mcuelenaere | T0paz: so, are you looking into porting Rockbox to the ZEN or .. ? |
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18:11:11 | T0paz | that was my initial aim |
18:11:16 | T0paz | although i'm probably aiming too high! |
18:11:49 | mcuelenaere | I think there's quite some information regarding the chipset available |
18:11:57 | mcuelenaere | even some (linux) drivers |
18:11:58 | T0paz | i figured a good start would be getting some ARM code to run and provide some kind of output, perhaps flash the LCD or something |
18:12:05 | T0paz | aha, that makes it easier |
18:12:17 | mcuelenaere | well, the last time I checked the site was offline |
18:12:22 | mcuelenaere | but I got a backup of those files |
18:12:25 | T0paz | have you succeeded in restoring firmware via the rescue mode? |
18:13:07 | T0paz | i don't want to brick it (mainly since it isn't mine) |
18:13:14 | mcuelenaere | yes, it's perfectly unbrickable |
18:13:20 | mcuelenaere | unless you overwrite the bootloader :) |
18:13:20 | T0paz | excellent |
18:13:27 | T0paz | i shall avoid doing that ;) |
18:13:31 | mcuelenaere | (I haven't tried on the ZEN, but it's all the same) |
18:14:07 | T0paz | so does zen_crypt normally take minutes to decrypt the firmware file? |
18:14:10 | T0paz | i'm probably doing something wrong |
18:14:55 | mcuelenaere | hmm no |
18:15:03 | mcuelenaere | you're using the latest SVN version? |
18:15:17 | * | mcuelenaere wonders why there's no link from the creativezen wiki page to the soc.. |
18:16:03 | T0paz | i've got both the latest SVN and one from aug 12th 2008 |
18:16:22 | T0paz | since SVN's update_extract doesn't work (gets the wrong offset) |
18:16:36 | mcuelenaere | it gets the wrong offset while the older doesn't? |
18:16:41 | T0paz | yeah |
18:16:50 | T0paz | i haven't bothered to investigate why |
18:16:53 | mcuelenaere | hmm then there's still something wrong with that offset detection |
18:17:11 | T0paz | it's only off by a few bytes |
18:19:28 | mcuelenaere | can you tell me how much off? |
18:21:01 | T0paz | ok |
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18:25:58 | Zoxc | so, who likes sansa fuze? |
18:30:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | This isn't a social channel. |
18:30:06 | * | LambdaCalculus37 points to the topic |
18:31:57 | T0paz | Decrypted length is unexpectedly large: 25c4e18f Check the endian and key settings. |
18:32:08 | mcuelenaere | ehm, give me a minute |
18:32:13 | mcuelenaere | I'm trying to replicate your setup |
18:32:17 | T0paz | ah, cheers |
18:32:22 | T0paz | i can provide files if you like |
18:33:10 | T0paz | oh, my error |
18:33:13 | T0paz | TL decryption fine |
18:33:29 | mcuelenaere | (I'm also trying to fix the update_extract error) |
18:33:34 | T0paz | cool |
18:36:02 | T0paz | zen_crypt -m CENC uses a lot of RAM |
18:37:11 | T0paz | it doesn't look very compressed |
18:37:24 | T0paz | the output from the -m TL looks like code |
18:37:54 | mcuelenaere | ah, I got that error myself too |
18:38:00 | mcuelenaere | if it uses a lot of RAM, something's wrong :) |
18:38:11 | mcuelenaere | oh yes, I forgot to mention |
18:38:15 | T0paz | yeah, it seems the final CENC step is unnecessary |
18:38:20 | mcuelenaere | -m TL implicitly does CENC |
18:38:23 | T0paz | aha |
18:38:43 | T0paz | found all the id3 genres |
18:38:47 | T0paz | 'Polsk Punk' eh |
18:39:52 | mcuelenaere | ok I fixed the update_extract error I think |
18:40:02 | T0paz | is the IDA pro freeware version worth using? |
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18:41:52 | mcuelenaere | I don't think there's any freeware IDA.. |
18:42:11 | T0paz | IDA Pro 4.9 Freeware |
18:42:53 | mcuelenaere | hmm I didn't know they had freeware'd that |
18:43:07 | mcuelenaere | I'm using 5.1 I think, but you can always see whether it works with the plugins |
18:43:25 | saratoga | i don't think the free version does arm |
18:43:33 | T0paz | hmm |
18:45:26 | Zoxc | ARM in the free version is grayed out :( |
18:46:34 | T0paz | hrm :/ |
18:46:43 | T0paz | heh, you could probably use IDA to re-enable it ;) |
18:46:52 | mcuelenaere | :) |
18:47:09 | mcuelenaere | they probably just didn't include the module(s) |
18:47:16 | T0paz | ah |
18:47:32 | T0paz | so, this firmware file with its EDOC header - is that some proprietary creative format too? |
18:47:37 | mcuelenaere | yes |
18:47:44 | mcuelenaere | there's an IDA parser for that :) |
18:47:47 | T0paz | heh |
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18:47:51 | T0paz | i see |
18:47:55 | mcuelenaere | but it's also documented on CreativeZVMPort |
18:47:59 | T0paz | ah |
18:48:07 | mcuelenaere | or at least it should |
18:49:12 | mcuelenaere | hmm ah yes, if you use Windows: there are quite some 010 Editor templates |
18:49:21 | T0paz | wine could probably run it |
18:49:26 | mcuelenaere | yes I believe so too |
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18:49:46 | T0paz | so this EDOC file immediately loads the userspace code into RAM? |
18:50:29 | mcuelenaere | yes |
18:50:34 | mcuelenaere | but I don't think it's only user space |
18:50:48 | T0paz | ok |
18:51:01 | mcuelenaere | the bootloader is running in the highest ARM mode at that moment I think (can't remember the exact term) |
18:51:15 | mcuelenaere | the data in that file is split up in sections |
18:51:34 | mcuelenaere | for example section A should get loaded at address 0xABCDE and has checksum 0xFE134C |
18:51:42 | mcuelenaere | and then comes the data |
18:51:50 | mcuelenaere | oh and there's of course a length indicator too |
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18:51:54 | T0paz | presumably they're all consecutive? |
18:52:04 | at0m|c | hi, i'm trying to 'make' a plugin for which i have the source. how would i go about that? get the rockbox source, and add the source plugin to the directory structure? |
18:52:23 | mcuelenaere | T0paz: you mean in the file itself? yes |
18:52:29 | at0m|c | running debian i've compiled some source before, but not for other targets.. |
18:52:43 | at0m|c | (h300 in this case) |
18:53:29 | T0paz | in the memory blocks which it is loaded into |
18:54:20 | T0paz | oh, i forgot about static variables |
18:55:11 | mcuelenaere | this is what 010 editor gives: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=36633 |
18:55:21 | kugel | pixelma: hey, I have a DancingPuffDou version for 176x220, what do I need to take care of if I wanted to commit? |
18:55:33 | T0paz | heh, i've forgotten all the terminology |
18:55:35 | mcuelenaere | you can see what data gets loaded at what addresses in the BLOCKARRAY list |
18:56:07 | mcuelenaere | oh that's a Zen X-Fi dump |
18:56:16 | mcuelenaere | well, it runs the same chip as the ZEN |
18:56:21 | mcuelenaere | so it doesn't really matter actually |
18:56:45 | T0paz | so interrupt vectors at the start, with user code starting at 0x40000000 ? |
18:57:01 | mcuelenaere | I'm not familiar with the STMP37xx SoC .. |
18:57:14 | T0paz | me neither, i'm guessing |
18:57:16 | mcuelenaere | interrupt vectors are probably at 0x0 |
18:57:28 | mcuelenaere | yes, you're probably right |
18:57:38 | mcuelenaere | and 0x28000 is probably IRAM |
18:57:43 | T0paz | ah, the last block goes at 0 |
18:57:47 | T0paz | i didn't spot that |
18:57:54 | at0m|c | T0paz, do you happen to have used Creamware dsp cards? (i remember a t0paz from back then eh) |
18:58:11 | T0paz | nah, different person |
18:58:17 | at0m|c | oki :) |
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18:59:21 | T0paz | i shall write some silly utilities to extract and create the code |
18:59:41 | mcuelenaere | yes, that's probably useful |
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19:00:21 | mcuelenaere | if you want, I can include them in SVN |
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19:03:51 | mcuelenaere | T0paz: just to be clear, never flash a modified FRESC file |
19:04:16 | mcuelenaere | this is the rescue mode, so if you get this to not work; you're device is truely bricked :) |
19:04:45 | mcuelenaere | I know of one case where a user modified a Zen X-Fi firmware to be Zen compatible, and just flashed all of it to the device |
19:06:17 | T0paz | ah |
19:07:01 | T0paz | i do have a hot air SMD rework station if it comes to it :P |
19:07:26 | T0paz | though making the carrier board would be a lot of work |
19:08:06 | kugel | ok, make zip properly includes DancingPuffDuo, seems I got it right |
19:08:23 | kugel | anyone opposed to committing a 176x220 version? |
19:09:21 | kugel | hm, no, not exactly properly :( |
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19:13:19 | T0paz | the ZEN only appears to have two blocks |
19:13:24 | kugel | spots a bug |
19:13:35 | T0paz | more than likely ;) |
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19:16:12 | T0paz | ah, here we go, 7 blocks |
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19:17:54 | * | mcuelenaere wonders whether 0x28000 is some kind of SoC USB memory register |
19:18:49 | T0paz | i think you might be right |
19:18:58 | T0paz | lemme lsusb |
19:20:44 | pixelma | kugel: did you name it right? The theme is called DancePuffDuo, the wps file needs to be named DancePuffDuo.176x220x16.wps then (you could even substitute the 16 with 2 (if it could work on a same resolution greyscale screen) or 1 (if it could work on a same sized monochrome screen) there. What's the problem? |
19:21:00 | kugel | pixelma: yea, I did that. |
19:21:10 | kugel | the only problem I have is that the font isn't included/installed |
19:21:16 | kugel | but that appears to happen on h300 too |
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19:21:42 | T0paz | mcuelenaere, it looks exactly like the output of lsusb -v in hex form |
19:21:46 | kugel | it's DancingPuffDuo.176x220x1.wps, and after installation it |
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19:21:56 | kugel | 's DancingPuffDuo.wps |
19:22:13 | mcuelenaere | T0paz: it probably won't get directly loaded into a SoC mem register |
19:22:43 | kugel | wpsbuild.pl doesn't match "Font: *" in WPSLIST, only "Font.widthxheightxdepth: *" |
19:22:51 | pixelma | kugel: why Danc_ing_? |
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19:23:01 | mcuelenaere | normally, this is part of a full USB stack (which should be implemented in software, not hardware) |
19:23:06 | kugel | oh, it's Dance, sorry |
19:23:08 | mcuelenaere | especially when it supports MTP & UMS |
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19:25:54 | kugel | rasher: any idea? |
19:26:06 | kugel | rasher: wpsbuild-pl doesn't match "Font: " |
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19:26:49 | pixelma | kugel: is it wrong in the generated cfg or is only the font not included in the zip? |
19:27:02 | kugel | the font isn't in the zip |
19:27:17 | kugel | I see it's not in the h300 zip either |
19:27:26 | kugel | seems like a bug to me |
19:27:29 | T0paz | mcuelenaere, any idea what −−march the ARM962EJ-S is? |
19:27:50 | T0paz | i'll try armv5 |
19:27:55 | rasher | kugel: tried adding some debug statements at line 440? |
19:29:02 | kugel | rasher: hm, the debug texts shows (doing make install for the sim) |
19:29:08 | pixelma | seems like a few themes suffer from that. E.g. unifont is not included in the H100 although needed for the shipped UniCatcher |
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19:29:29 | pixelma | meant an H100 build |
19:29:35 | mcuelenaere | T0paz: you mean for disassembling or gcc? (or both?) |
19:29:37 | rasher | kugel: maybe it should do copythemefont()? I don't really know - I've never touched wpsbuild.pl |
19:29:45 | T0paz | yeah |
19:29:54 | T0paz | you're about to discover how little i know about ARMs |
19:30:07 | T0paz | i've also managed to crash the zen |
19:30:13 | pixelma | kugel: I believe saratoga did the changes to the system for the font file inclusion |
19:30:18 | mcuelenaere | T0paz: cool :) |
19:30:25 | mcuelenaere | isn't there a -mcpu switch? |
19:30:37 | mcuelenaere | if so, -mcpu=arm926ej-s should work |
19:30:49 | rasher | kugel: try adding copythemefont(); at line 440, and see if that does the Right Thing, but this is a shot in the dark |
19:30:58 | kugel | rasher: ah yea, that did the job |
19:31:26 | kugel | actually, I tried that before asking you, but I didn't see there was a "Font: " at the top, so I added one (which ofc didn't match) |
19:31:40 | rasher | Please check that it doesn't install too many fonts or something - I don't want to be held responsible |
19:32:02 | kugel | rasher: it seems to work |
19:32:22 | mcuelenaere | and yes, ARM 926EJ-S seems to be ARMv5TE |
19:32:24 | kugel | i.e. I only get 1 12-adobe..fnt, instead (so not all those which are for the other targets) |
19:32:39 | kugel | make install installed 6 fonts now (before it was two) |
19:32:40 | Jim7 | damn Data abort errors.... i don't know if i should toss my e280 at a wall or go back to original firmware |
19:32:41 | rasher | So it's been wrong for all this time? Interesting.. |
19:32:47 | kugel | yea |
19:33:47 | mcuelenaere | does anyone still have that theme dump package for the rockbox theme site laying around somewhere? |
19:34:26 | * | kugel committed the fix |
19:34:37 | rasher | mcuelenaere: I have it |
19:34:56 | mcuelenaere | T0paz: if you got disassembling to work, look for references in the 0xF0060000 area, that's the stmp36xx LCD interface |
19:35:03 | mcuelenaere | rasher: could you upload/send it? |
19:35:31 | mcuelenaere | T0paz: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZenV#Memory_registers |
19:36:04 | rasher | mcuelenaere: uploading to http://rasher.dk/rockbox/theme_dump.tgz - I'll notify you when it's done |
19:36:11 | mcuelenaere | ok, thanks |
19:39:04 | kugel | pixelma: is this good? http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/dancepuffduo.bmp |
19:39:30 | * | kugel made the next song info a bit more detailed, since there's enough height |
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19:42:51 | pixelma | quite nice, yes |
19:42:59 | kugel | cool :) |
19:43:32 | kugel | the bg-...bmp was troublesome again ;) |
19:45:11 | rasher | mcuelenaere: done |
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19:45:44 | mcuelenaere | wow I didn't think it was that big |
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19:48:06 | gevaerts | I have a list of committers from the pre-svn days that I'd like to commit. Should I add them to COMMITTERS, or do they go into a separate file (COMMITTERS-HISTORICAL)? |
19:48:58 | kugel | do they have still access? |
19:49:09 | gevaerts | no |
19:49:23 | Bagder | I think they should do into the regular COMMITTERS |
19:49:24 | gevaerts | Some of them actually do, with different usernames |
19:49:29 | Bagder | s/do/go |
19:49:41 | Bagder | to make it easier for scripting etc |
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19:51:43 | gevaerts | OK. That makes three votes for COMMITTERS and none for COMMITTERS-HISTORICAL. This is easy :) |
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19:55:11 | amiconn | Does COMMITTERS allow for more than one username per realname? |
19:55:30 | Bagder | sure, it's just use for shortname => realname lookups |
19:55:34 | Bagder | used |
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19:55:42 | rasher | I think they should be added to COMMITTERS as well |
19:56:16 | amiconn | Bagder: Wouldn't that break then? |
19:56:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think they should also go into COMMITTERS. |
19:56:31 | gevaerts | As long as you don't go back it works |
19:56:56 | Bagder | amiconn: all short names need to be unique, that's all |
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19:57:18 | amiconn | Hmm, you mean multiple usernames -> multiple lines? |
19:57:24 | gevaerts | yes |
19:57:26 | Bagder | yes |
19:57:35 | Bagder | sorry, I thought that was implied |
19:57:50 | * | amiconn might be a bit slow today |
19:58:26 | * | gevaerts commits |
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20:05:23 | * | amiconn wonders what the best fix for the annoying endian macro warnings for some sims could be |
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20:07:30 | amiconn | Obviously there are some systems where /usr/include/endian.h defines these macros - both Debian and Cygwin don't have that |
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20:11:21 | pixelma | kugel (for the logs), rasher: now all fonts that are needed in some themes are included on all targets even if they are not all used on this specific target - e.g. shipped themes for bitmapped Archos only use 08-Schumacher-Clean or 08-Rockfont. The zips include Unifont or some Nimbus sizes too which are only needed on other targets |
20:11:54 | * | rasher told kugel to test this... |
20:12:29 | T0paz | mcuelenaere, do you reckon the smtp37xx has the same LCD driver as the smtp36xx then? |
20:12:38 | rasher | I really have no idea what wpsbuild.pl does, so I'm not the right guy to do anything about this |
20:12:53 | gevaerts | amiconn: maybe #if !defined(SIMULATOR) || !defined(htobe32) around them? |
20:12:54 | pixelma | Unifont itself is probably bigger than the rest that's needed in the zip... |
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20:13:18 | * | gevaerts doesn't like the idea of more #ifs though |
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20:14:00 | T0paz | mcuelenaere, do you also have the linux BSP for the sigmatel then? you're right in that the site is still down |
20:16:51 | amiconn | gevaerts: I'd rather want the build to use our own... |
20:17:05 | gevaerts | good point |
20:17:45 | * | gevaerts tries a dirty trick |
20:19:56 | gevaerts | That didn't work... |
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20:31:40 | mcuelenaere | T0paz: yes I do, I'll upload it |
20:31:50 | T0paz | thanks |
20:31:55 | mcuelenaere | and with a bit of luck, the stmp37xx is based on the stmp36xx |
20:32:34 | T0paz | i wonder how much model-specific LCD init code there is |
20:32:39 | amiconn | pixelma: It seems he logic in wpsbuild.pl is broken - iiuc it will copy every extra file for a wps - even if this wps is discarded later due to size constraints |
20:32:49 | amiconn | s/he/the/ |
20:33:47 | mcuelenaere | I currently can only find the Linux BSP, but I remember there were 3 gzip's |
20:33:54 | mcuelenaere | but the others weren't that interesting |
20:34:36 | mcuelenaere | it'll probably be uploaded within 15min |
20:35:12 | T0paz | cool |
20:35:19 | amiconn | Extra file == {font, backdrop, icon set, viewer icon set} |
20:35:40 | pixelma | perhaps the reason why someone introduced the "Font.someresoltution: " and only used that for the inclusion |
20:38:00 | amiconn | Those files are now copied while analysing the <wps>...</wps> section, but the size check happens after that |
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20:45:31 | * | amiconn now has a preliminary patch - testing... |
20:46:09 | amiconn | The font.someresolution is necessary for wps'es using different fonts depending on target |
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21:00:37 | amiconn | Hmm, wpsbuild.pl debug output is confusing (if enabled) |
21:00:39 | T0paz | mcuelenaere, bbl |
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21:01:03 | amiconn | It outputs height x width, while we're using width x height almost everywhere else |
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21:06:00 | jvoegele | Hi all. I am trying to build the cross compiler for iPod (arm) on Ubuntu, but it is not working. |
21:06:08 | jvoegele | I've been told that it's a problem with Ubunt gcc and that there is a patch somehwere. |
21:06:14 | jvoegele | Does this ring a bell for anyone? |
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21:07:19 | mcuelenaere | T0paz: sorry, I was away and apparantly mediafire doesn't allow files > 100MB so I'll need to reupload :/ |
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21:28:42 | Jaykay | Llorean: around? |
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21:40:20 | mcuelenaere | T0paz (logs): http://www.mediafire.com/?5kgqmjnzynz & http://www.mediafire.com/?dqdk0homgqg |
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21:42:05 | vallhalla81 | just a quick question can any1 suggest where i can get the roms for pack box? |
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21:44:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | No. |
21:44:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | We do not discuss where to get ROMs here. At all. |
21:45:20 | Jaykay | i think this time google is your friend |
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21:47:19 | vallhalla81 | ok sorry i didnt know that thnk you |
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21:49:40 | amiconn | Imo wpsbuild.pl would probably benefit from a rewrite. It's a mess... |
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21:58:15 | Jaykay | whats a proper message for text_editor when trying to save a file without entering a name for the file? |
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21:58:46 | Jaykay | i a fix by yoshihisa uchida it says "can not save !!" but i think thats not the best solution |
21:58:57 | Jaykay | *in a fix |
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22:02:19 | amiconn | Hmm, still not entirely correct - 08-Schumacher-Clean.fnt is included for the Player, which makes no sense... |
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22:12:21 | Jaykay | any idea for the splash? also "Changes NOT saved"? |
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22:24:55 | Zoxc | how is font rendering done? what color modes does rockbox support? and how is anti-aliased fonts done? :) |
22:25:13 | Llor_Phone | was |
22:25:17 | Llor_Phone | Oops |
22:25:43 | Llor_Phone | As I said before, Rockbox doesn't support antialiased fonts. |
22:26:00 | Bagder | Zoxc: and the "redereing" is just putting images next to each other |
22:26:05 | Bagder | rendering even |
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22:27:03 | Llor_Phone | 1bpp bitmaps |
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22:27:27 | Zoxc | ok |
22:28:16 | * | Zoxc wonders how 16bit + alpha channel would perform |
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22:29:47 | Llor_Phone | Zoxc: Remember, slow hardware and if you use cpu time it's wasting listening time |
22:30:25 | Zoxc | yes, but I really do hate aliased fonts :D |
22:30:35 | amiconn | Font rendering is slow as it is now. And there's another concern - memory usage |
22:31:18 | Llor_Phone | zoxc: So come up with fast, lowmem AA fonts. |
22:32:19 | amiconn | Check how big unifont is already, and take that *8 for an 8bpp font (we're doing lru caching, but the lru cache needs a decent size in order not to reload continuously) |
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22:33:15 | rasher | amiconn: have you looked at the patch in the tracker? |
22:33:38 | Llor_Phone | And multifont increases needed cache size again. |
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22:34:22 | Zoxc | how much memory does the average rockbox device have/use? |
22:34:55 | Llor_Phone | Use as little as possible. |
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22:35:17 | Llor_Phone | They can have quite a bit but you want as much as possible for buffering. |
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22:40:41 | Llor_Phone | The goal isn't "fit it in this much" but rather "how small is possible" usually |
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22:49:07 | Zoxc | how fast is blitting 1bpp fonts? :D |
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22:56:09 | lu6cifer | I'm planning to install rockbox and linux on my ipod...which one should I do first? |
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22:59:23 | Bagder | you ask this in #rockbox and think we wouldn't say rockbox? |
22:59:41 | Bagder | in fact, linux on the ipod is pretty useless so you can skip that |
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23:26:26 | webguest78 | Hi |
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23:27:36 | webguest78 | -_-; |
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23:29:46 | advcomp2019 | webguest78, hello |
23:30:01 | webguest78 | I'm having trouble with my Rockbox database |
23:30:19 | webguest78 | actually |
23:30:26 | webguest78 | let me dwell into it |
23:30:28 | webguest78 | hold on |
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