#rockbox 2009-01-29

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00:01:11	PSPdemon	aww
00:01:15	PSPdemon	as soon as i leave everyone talks
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00:18:55	rocko	for real
00:18:56	rocko	g
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00:19:00	rocko	respect
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00:19:38	LambdaCalculus37	rocko: This isn't a social channel.
00:19:42	LambdaCalculus37	Keep it on-topic
00:19:43	LambdaCalculus37	.
00:20:12	rocko	ok
00:20:22	rocko	ROCKBOX RULEZ
00:20:24	rocko	:D
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00:25:52	PSPdemon	...
00:26:20	PSPdemon	why is it that whenever someone goes offtopic and gets told to keep it on-topic.... they say "ROCKBOX RULEZ!"
00:26:24	PSPdemon	-_-
00:26:54	PSPdemon	on another note is there a way to disable those messages that keep on poping up in the current builds?
00:27:13	BigBambi	specifics?
00:27:46	PSPdemon	like when i select a song it says something like "loading song" or something about settings
00:27:54	PSPdemon	like someone put verbose on xD
00:28:10	PSPdemon	on E260 btw
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00:30:54	PaulJam_	well, at least on hard disk targets those splashes are useful to indicate that something happens while rockbox needs to wait for the disk to spin up.
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00:32:25	PSPdemon	ahh well.....
00:32:44	PSPdemon	nothing to much of a annoyance.... just dont like them :P
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00:32:55	PSPdemon	if its too much work then ill just skip it
00:36:14	T0paz	mcuelenaere, you about?
00:36:25	mcuelenaere	?
00:36:41	T0paz	i've been looking at the MMU initialisation in the zen firmware
00:37:46	T0paz	and have discovered that the 0x3ff0.... course page is mapped to 0x0
00:37:53	T0paz	so the app code can call routines in the bootstrap
00:38:00	T0paz	(without far jumping)
00:38:13	T0paz	you probably knew this already ;)
00:38:25	mcuelenaere	T0paz: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZEN documentate ;)
00:38:29	mcuelenaere	no, I didn't
00:38:49	T0paz	the first page table starts at 0x 0x40380000
00:39:01	mcuelenaere	I actually never looked long at the MMU stuff
00:39:13	T0paz	(4096 entries, each representing 1mb of virtual memory)
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00:39:54	T0paz	and 0xdecc contains the routine to insert entries in the page table
00:40:08	T0paz	there, it's in the logs, all i need now is a wiki account ;)
00:40:51	mcuelenaere	0xDECC is probably a common MMU page table insertion routine
00:41:34	mcuelenaere	is it something like in here? http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/arm/mmu-arm.c?view=markup
00:43:04	T0paz	i actually mean 0xddc4
00:43:10	T0paz	anyway, lemme compare
00:43:21	T0paz	no, i do mean 0xdecc
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00:48:52	T0paz	ok, the page insert routine is actually at 0xdfb8, and it's quite a lot more complex than map_section
00:49:01	T0paz	since it does course page mapping as well
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00:50:07	T0paz	it is called six times in the bootstrap to set up different regions
00:51:07	mcuelenaere	hmm in that case it'll probably be comparable to how Linux uses the MMU (if you want some source code to compare)
00:51:23	T0paz	ah
00:52:31	T0paz	another one of the page mappings is to map 0x280000 - 0x2a8000 to 0x0 as well
00:53:42	mcuelenaere	so both 0x3ff0.. and 0x280000-.. is mapped to 0x0?
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00:54:12	T0paz	yes, i think
00:54:20	mcuelenaere	that sounds weird
00:54:32	mcuelenaere	what physical address gets accessed then upon accessing 0x0?
00:54:50	T0paz	0x0 - 0x100000 is also mapped to 0x0
00:54:58	mcuelenaere	:)
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00:55:13	mcuelenaere	I believe Rockbox does something similar as that
00:55:24	mcuelenaere	mapping virtual->physical with the same addresses
00:55:31	T0paz	ah
00:55:37	T0paz	there's another mapping to PA 0x28000 which is where the USB descriptor stuff sits
00:55:37	mcuelenaere	probably for setting that particular area as write-through or so
00:55:40	mcuelenaere	(to not cache it)
00:55:48	T0paz	i see
00:56:02	mcuelenaere	have you read the ARM datasheet regarding this MMU?
00:56:19	T0paz	yeah
00:56:34	T0paz	it is very helpful
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00:58:26	mcuelenaere	hmm this zen x-fi firmware image seems to stop at 0xC1A4
00:58:53	T0paz	this one goes to 0xed34
00:58:56	mcuelenaere	which firmware version are you analysing?
00:59:25	T0paz	PCFW_L22_1_21_01
00:59:28	T0paz	(zen)
00:59:47	mcuelenaere	ok I have 1_21_03
01:00
01:00:25	mcuelenaere	this one has a function at 0xDECC
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01:00:52	T0paz	0xdfb8 is the page function, i was wrong first time
01:01:05	T0paz	but 0xdf08 is interesting to look at
01:01:11	T0paz	repeated calls to 0xdfb8 with different arguments
01:02:43	mcuelenaere	R0->start address, R1->end address, R2->special flags?
01:03:23	mcuelenaere	hmm this looks familiar
01:03:33	T0paz	one of them is length i think
01:03:36	*	mcuelenaere seems to recognize this a bit from the ZVM firmware
01:04:30	*	mcuelenaere wonders whether an emulator could help here
01:04:46	mcuelenaere	I know zook used one to RE the decryption
01:04:57	mcuelenaere	but I never got one working for the ZVM
01:05:12	T0paz	i interpreted it as r0=physical, r2=page-table-offset (virtual>>18), r1 =length
01:05:21	T0paz	i may be wrong ;)
01:06:22	mcuelenaere	do you mean 0xDFB8 or 0xDECC?
01:06:28	T0paz	dfb8
01:07:04	mcuelenaere	hmm then that first call looks weird
01:07:22	mcuelenaere	DFB8(0, 0x100000, 0);
01:07:33	mcuelenaere	why map something of length 0?
01:07:42	T0paz	it is length 0x100000
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01:07:50	T0paz	and VA 0x0 to PA 0x0
01:07:53	mcuelenaere	oh sorry
01:08:01	mcuelenaere	I swapped R2 & R1 in your reply
01:08:08	T0paz	i'm not sure what unit the length is in
01:08:16	mcuelenaere	probably bytes?
01:08:37	T0paz	and i'm also not sure where 0x40000000+ is dealt with
01:09:08	mcuelenaere	AFAIK if it's not mapped, it is accessed directly (without using the MMU)
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01:10:02	T0paz	hmm, the datasheet implies that you'd get a FAULT if the page wasn't mapped
01:10:05	T0paz	maybe you can turn that off
01:10:51	mcuelenaere	hmm ok, perhaps I spend too much time in a MIPS environment then :)
01:11:36	mcuelenaere	s/spend/spent/
01:12:24	T0paz	emulation sounds like fun - what's a good emulator to use?
01:12:40	mcuelenaere	good question
01:12:59	T0paz	qemu seems to support ARM well
01:13:07	mcuelenaere	QEMU or skyeye I guess
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01:14:02	mcuelenaere	there is an emulator on Flyspray which is developed in MS VC
01:14:15	mcuelenaere	I rewrote part of it to work with the ZVM, but it didn't do much
01:14:46	T0paz	i'll try qemu+gdb and see what happens
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01:26:07	T0paz	also, how do you suppose that the 0x40000000 mapping works?
01:26:31	T0paz	would 0x0 be onboard RAM and 0x40000000 external SDRAM?
01:26:55	*	gevaerts just saw something weird
01:27:05	mcuelenaere	could be
01:27:14	mcuelenaere	I would think 0x0 to be SRAM/IRAM
01:27:28	T0paz	ok, make sense
01:27:51	T0paz	there's 60k at 0x0, so it could be a 64k SRAM i suppose
01:27:53	linuxstb	Or sometimes flash ROM (if your device has it - I have no idea what you're talking about...)
01:27:56	mcuelenaere	isn't something like this in the STMP36xx headers?
01:28:01	T0paz	let me see
01:28:11	gevaerts	I wanted to stop playback, which made a bookmark as intended, but playback then restarted by itself. This happened a few times until I turned off the device. This was on gigabeat F wirh r19711.
01:28:12	mcuelenaere	I know the ZVM has memory-mapped NOR
01:28:20	mcuelenaere	perhaps the ZEN has this too?
01:28:32	T0paz	it has no hdd, so it would make sense
01:28:46	T0paz	(operating out of RAM being necessary on the ZVM i suppose)
01:28:46	mcuelenaere	well it has NAND..
01:28:52	T0paz	ah
01:28:57	T0paz	NOR is faster?
01:29:00	mcuelenaere	ehm
01:29:05	mcuelenaere	no it's slower I think
01:29:10	linuxstb	What CPU/SoC are we talking about?
01:29:16	mcuelenaere	but it has the advantage of being able to memory map in the CPU
01:29:21	mcuelenaere	Creative ZEN -> STMP37xx
01:29:24	T0paz	ARM926EJ-S in a STMP3700
01:29:25	mcuelenaere	ARM926-EJS
01:29:51	mcuelenaere	while NAND must be accessed through a separate (8/16-bit) bus
01:29:58	mcuelenaere	but it has far more larger capacity
01:30:07	T0paz	ah
01:30:10	mcuelenaere	NAND chips are essentially the storage
01:30:12	*	jhMikeS finds that the ARC 4V4 indicator is rather dodgey (take that out and an iPod video reboots to disk mode fine).
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01:30:59	mcuelenaere	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#Low-level_access
01:31:28	T0paz	apparently the smtp36xx has a 512k boot rom starting at 0x60000000, 256k of OCRAM at 0x0, 512k of flash at 0x70000000, with SDRAM starting at 0x60000000
01:32:54	mcuelenaere	the STM3700 seems to have 16KB I-Cache
01:32:59	T0paz	though no reason why the 37xx should be the same though, memory mapping must be the easiest thing to change
01:34:00	T0paz	do you suppose the LCD is memory mapped too?
01:34:33	T0paz	or would the framebuffer be in normal SDRAM with a interrupt driven output?
01:34:45	mcuelenaere	I don't know
01:35:02	T0paz	i'm not sure what i'm talking about ;)
01:35:12	T0paz	anyway, i should go to bed
01:35:17	mcuelenaere	the ZVM uses TMS320DM320 as chipset and there the LCD framebuffer is in memory, and the hw access it through RAM
01:35:27	T0paz	ah
01:35:46	mcuelenaere	but that is a completely other SoC
01:35:51	mcuelenaere	so it isn't relevant :)
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01:36:03	mcuelenaere	and I think that's more of an exception
01:36:40	T0paz	i haven't yet found anything resembling LCD IO ports or framebuffers
01:37:18	mcuelenaere	do you know what the base address of the stmp37xx is?
01:37:25	mcuelenaere	I mean the base address of the HW registers
01:37:44	T0paz	0x80000000
01:38:11	T0paz	i've gone through some of the Application_Initialize code naming addresses
01:38:28	T0paz	they almost completely match up with the 36xx headers
01:38:53	mcuelenaere	ah that sounds as good news :)
01:39:15	T0paz	like 0x400bec54 does lots of testing-and-setting of the 5V DCDC converter and battery control registers
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01:39:30	T0paz	then there is a APBX and APBH reset routine
01:39:45	T0paz	something to do with buses, i'm not sure exactly what that achieves
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01:40:18	mcuelenaere	that 5V DCDC converter, is it internal to the SoC?
01:40:21	T0paz	yeah
01:40:41	T0paz	now i know where 0x3ff0.... goes i can trace a bit more of the code
01:40:47	mcuelenaere	ok, because I noticed the PIC found on the ZVM could also be on the Zen..
01:41:22	T0paz	there's a register called "HW_POWER_5VCTRL - DCDC 5V Control"
01:42:37	T0paz	anyway, night, thanks for the suggestions
01:42:47	mcuelenaere	yeah, I'm also off to bed
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01:43:17	Unhelpful	kugel: problem... unless i misunderstand the bug report, i can't duplicate the bug. i can still test the patch if you want, but i'm not sure that's a good test of whether or not it's successfully "fixed" anything :/
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01:47:55	*	PaulJam_ points gevaerts to http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=19732
01:48:06	PaulJam_	please check with a current build ;)
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02:14:54	*	amiconn wonders about the comments in apps/plugins/SUBDIRS
02:15:28	amiconn	Imo they're superfluous. They're not explaining anything, but just repeating the condition(s) in plaintext
02:20:18	pixelma	but what speaks against comments?
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02:44:26	PSPdemon	hey im at a loss
02:44:44	PSPdemon	my sansa's battery went low and turned off the device
02:45:06	PSPdemon	if i try to plug in the adapter itll take me to usb connect OF
02:45:28	PSPdemon	and if i try to boot it so i can get to the menu.... it just tells me battery is to low
02:45:49	PSPdemon	so how do i boot it so i can charge it?
02:47:22	orsonj	I just left mine on the usb connect for a while and it charged
02:47:25	krazykit	it charges in the OF, doesn't it?
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02:49:25	orsonj	any idea why it (a sansa) won't play music. menus, etc work, but it simply won't play, stays at 0:00
02:49:55	PSPdemon	orsonj, i had a problem similar to that after i played some mod files after a while
02:50:14	PSPdemon	i brought it up here yesterday i think
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02:54:00	cool_walking_	I've had that 0:00 thing a couple of times but I could never find a set of steps to reproduce it.
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02:56:14	cool_walking_	It fixes itself if you reboot.
02:57:18	PSPdemon	cool_walking_, yea
02:57:28	PSPdemon	its a bug thats really weir
02:57:30	PSPdemon	weird*
02:57:36	PSPdemon	but i think i can reproduce mine
02:58:01	PSPdemon	that is
02:58:06	PSPdemon	if i can get this thing charging
02:58:07	PSPdemon	lol
02:59:27	PSPdemon	also oddly enough
02:59:47	PSPdemon	i think either i borked something in the 19868 source or it was bugged
02:59:57	PSPdemon	because i couldnt change stations on the fm tuner
02:59:58	PSPdemon	lol
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03:00:25	PSPdemon	i could change them via a preset list... .but thats it :S
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03:05:59	Unhelpful	PSPdemon: you mean this problem? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9846
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03:12:41	*	pixelma doubts the attached patch will compile... BUTTON_NONO... ;)
03:13:48	Unhelpful	i don't know... i didn't bother trying the patch yet, since i seem to be unable to duplicate the bug... all i'm supposed to do is define some presets, and then find that i can't use next/prev so switch between them?
03:14:12	PSPdemon	Unhelpful, yes that issue lol
03:14:34	pixelma	changing frequencies probably won't work too
03:14:41	Unhelpful	right, well, i can change preset.
03:14:44	Unhelpful	presets that is :/
03:14:59	pixelma	which revision are you running?
03:16:14	Unhelpful	looks like 19796... is this a more recent bug?
03:16:18	pixelma	the bug was introduced in r19851
03:16:37	pixelma	yes
03:18:15	*	Unhelpful wonders which of our targets have efficient __builtin_clz implementations...
03:18:24	Unhelpful	i'm pretty sure it's a single instruction on ARM
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03:24:05	jhMikeS	Unhelpful: On ARM_ARCH >=5 clz is available. But...see ffs-arm.S for an efficient one for ARMv4.
03:25:12	jhMikeS	I suppose that could be expanded to include a version to find the MSb instead of the LSb.
03:25:24	Unhelpful	jhMikeS: so, only on beast, basically, of our ARM targets. know about coldfire or sh?
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03:26:21	jhMikeS	a later version of coldfire has a FF1 instruction
03:26:35	jhMikeS	SH I don't recall atm
03:26:37	Unhelpful	i'm looking to improve fdiv in pictureflow.c - basically, i'm thinking that instead of a 64-bit division, we shift the numerator as many places left as we can without overflow, and then shift the divisor right if we haven't quite gotten PFREAL_SHIFT shifts
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03:27:32	jhMikeS	What does the current implementation of __builin_clz do ?
03:28:45	jhMikeS	If it's just a loop with a shift, I'd think it could be replaced with a binary search.
03:28:53	Unhelpful	good question... it should emit whatever the platform bit-counting instruction is, if there is one, and if not, it provides some sort of implementation of the function.
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03:29:32	Unhelpful	well, in this particular case, we won't even care what the actual value is unless it's <11, so binary search might not be worthwhile
03:31:17	jhMikeS	hmmm, perhaps. it could still be faster.
03:32:16	*	jhMikeS would really need to see what's going on particular to not sit and make rash judgements :p
03:32:55	Unhelpful	jhMikeS: well, look at fdiv in pictureflow.c if you want to see what i'm trying to fix. it's not very pretty, right now, and it's probably godawful slow on pretty much everything.
03:33:09	Unhelpful	and we call it a few times per column when rendering :/
03:35:20	Unhelpful	basically, i'm trying to reduce it to a 32-bit division, while keeping as much precision as possible... but losing bits at the bottom if i have to.
03:37:20	PSPdemon	okay...think its charged up enough
03:37:33	PSPdemon	lets see if i can reproduce that issue
03:37:39	Unhelpful	probably best to start out by just writing it with __builtin_clz, see what gcc does with that, and maybe move to a specialized version if needed
03:39:02	PSPdemon	cool_wallkin_, ill see if i can reproduce the result
03:41:50	PSPdemon	basically cool_walking_, i was playing solitare and had a .mod file running and it got into a point where it was looping a section of the .mod
03:42:03	PSPdemon	but i didnt want to quit my game.... so i let it play out
03:42:30	cool_walking_	I don't have any .mod's, so it's not specific to that. Or could it be different issues with the same symptom?
03:42:44	PSPdemon	all the sudden it quit playing.....so i finished my game and tried to play another song
03:42:52	PSPdemon	wouldnt play
03:43:13	PSPdemon	tried to play .ogg, .mp3 another .mod, .wav ect ect ect
03:43:20	PSPdemon	nothing would play
03:43:26	PSPdemon	and would stay at 0:00
03:44:06	cool_walking_	Yeah that's what happened with me. I don't think I was playing a game any time it happened though. It's been ages since it's happened though, so memory's a bit foggy.
03:44:30	PSPdemon	heh
03:44:37	PSPdemon	well i know in a bit
03:44:41	PSPdemon	its at the loop point
03:44:53	PSPdemon	wonder why it loops on that song
03:45:02	cool_walking_	I'll try it when I get home anyway (don't have any Rockbox target on me right now).
03:45:45	PSPdemon	well when you get home tell me and ill send you the song if need be
03:46:21	PSPdemon	very small song.... only 15 kb's
03:46:36	PSPdemon	( thats because it uses 8bit mario tracks :P )
03:46:44	cool_walking_	This was a current-ish build it happened to you with, right? Should post a bug then, and attach the file.
03:46:51	PSPdemon	yea
03:46:54	PSPdemon	19868
03:47:52	PSPdemon	what the hell
03:48:01	PSPdemon	there we go
03:48:04	PSPdemon	reproduced
03:48:25	PSPdemon	yup
03:48:30	PSPdemon	wont play anything
03:48:59	cool_walking_	Cool :P Put the exact steps in a bug report.
03:49:39	PSPdemon	oddly the song makes it go into -0:02 left
03:49:48	PSPdemon	and then quits and breaks everything
03:50:01	cool_walking_	I think I remember that happening too!
03:50:59	PSPdemon	sorry
03:51:02	PSPdemon	-0:04
03:51:04	PSPdemon	lol
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03:54:22	PSPdemon	hmm
03:54:31	PSPdemon	now it seems to not lock up all the codecs like it did before
03:54:38	PSPdemon	but it kills .mod still
03:54:46	PSPdemon	unless...
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04:01:42	PSPdemon	cool_walking_, well i can reproduce the .mod breakage... but now it wont reproduce the "all codec break" bug
04:01:55	PSPdemon	then again im not playing solitare
04:01:55	PSPdemon	:P
04:03:15	Unhelpful	pixelma: indeed, i can now duplicate the bug, but that patch doesn't compile.
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05:06:01	wolferous	hey can someone help me please ?
05:06:05	wolferous	quick question
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07:00:13	Unhelpful	JdGordon: still beating your head against that bug? :/
07:00:28	JdGordon	which one?
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07:01:11	Unhelpful	weren't you trying to fix some statusbar inconsistencies? or is this about the list-in-viewport feature?
07:01:50	JdGordon	could be... i dont remeber exactly what you're thinking off.. but this one is just stupid and annoying
07:02:27	JdGordon	ive got it working well, except the statusbar could flash for as much as 250ms when the wps first opens which is driving me mad
07:02:36	JdGordon	the fact that it happens... not the flashing
07:02:40	Unhelpful	maybe i don't remember what i'm thinking of, either. my head's getting pretty messed up, trying to figure out how gcc generates what it does for some of my C...
07:03:10	Unhelpful	and this is in WPS with statusbar disabled?
07:04:07	JdGordon	no, with it enabled
07:04:52	JdGordon	the bar will simply refuse to draw if its disabled which makes things a bit simpler
07:07:08	Unhelpful	hrm, ok, i pretty much understand what's happening on armv5... i've no clue what's happening on armv4 or coldfire: unhelpful.pastebin.com/m606cf6dd">http://unhelpful.pastebin.com/m606cf6dd
07:08:18	Unhelpful	armv5 is using the count-leading-zeroes instruction... the others must be using gcc's implementation for clz, but it's not really clear how that works...
07:08:35	Unhelpful	it seems snappier on armv4 (e200) to me, than the version that uses 64-bit divide, though...
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08:55:14	Unhelpful	the un-inlining of fdiv is just to make it a bit easier to see how it codes fdiv via objdump
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09:00:09	jhMikeS	masking like that can be expensive on ARM. I'm not sure what it will optimize to and if it involves ldr
09:01:23	Unhelpful	one ldr at the end of the whole mess, it looks like... and the mask values themselves are immediates
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09:03:55	Unhelpful	one odd bit i notice is that the coldfire version has the & ff800000 in it (PFREAL_SHIFT is 10), while the arm one doesn't... i suspect gcc does something clever, but i don't know either asm well enough to be sure what's going on.
09:03:56	jhMikeS	Unhelpful: I can't see how 0xffff8000 could be an immediate on ARM
09:04:43	jhMikeS	coldfire yes, but it's extended bytes
09:05:09	*	petur re-opens a bug he closed one year ago :/
09:05:58	*	jhMikeS wonders if bugs are starting to evolve into resistant strains
09:06:03	Unhelpful	well, maybe i'm not understanding that properly: 54: e312033e tst r2, #-134217728 ; 0xf8000000
09:06:13	petur	heh
09:06:45	Unhelpful	that sounds like an immediate to me, but i do see that there's no way that value is in the asm
09:07:04	jhMikeS	Unhelpful: Yeah, if a byte-sized value rotated by an even-n, then it can be immediate
09:07:45	Unhelpful	ah... so it does something else to deal with the 0xff800000
09:09:01	jhMikeS	it would need a couple cycles at least like move r0, #0xf8000000; mov r0, r0, asr #4; or the like
09:10:36	jhMikeS	instead of if (x & 0xffff8000) do if (x > 0x00004000)
09:10:41	Unhelpful	it looks to me like it loads an immediate 0x80000000 into a register, then does asr #8
09:11:15	amiconn	jhMikeS: Unfortunately the ffs trick cannot be applied to clz. ffs works by isolating the rightmost bit first. There is no such trick for isolating the leftmost bit
09:11:31	Unhelpful	...well, that step is actually only there for completeness at present. it's skipped since PF_REAL == 10
09:11:47	jhMikeS	amiconn: I know, and so were trying to get crafty there.
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09:12:22	jhMikeS	too bad there's no instruction to reverse the bit order or it would :(
09:13:42	*	amiconn used parts of the ffs routine for optimising the unsigned arm division used in the ape codec though
09:15:31	amiconn	The division routine uses shift optimisation for divisors that are powers of two. On armv5+ it uses the clz instruction, but on armv4 it used a binary-search clz implementation originally.
09:16:12	amiconn	Since a power-of-2 divisor already has a single isolated bit, the main part of the ffs routine works nicely, and is faster than the binsearch
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09:17:06	Unhelpful	amiconn: well, another question here is whether it's worthwhile to make it possibly a bit more complex, but have it produce the actual shifted value instead of the number of places, or whether it's better to use allowed_shift...
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09:17:51	Unhelpful	allowed_shift should probably be used on armv5 and on x86, since the sign fixups need to happen either way, but __builtin_clz reduces to one instruction
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09:21:47	amiconn	What does gcc use for __builtin_clz() on armv4, coldfire etc?
09:22:55	Unhelpful	here's how it compiled allowed_shift: unhelpful.pastebin.com/m606cf6dd">http://unhelpful.pastebin.com/m606cf6dd
09:23:09	amiconn	Also, shouldn't allowed_shift() return 31 if uval is zero? Not that it matters...
09:24:05	jhMikeS	imx31 is ARMv6 btw :)
09:24:18	Unhelpful	oh, is it? hrm.
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09:24:43	Unhelpful	it's our only armv5+ target, correct?
09:25:19	jhMikeS	I don't think so.
09:25:54	amiconn	The D2 is armv5
09:26:16	Unhelpful	ah... so, there are at least two targets with the one-instruction __builtin_clz
09:26:22	amiconn	It would be interesting to see the __builtin_clz() functions gcc uses for armv4 and coldfire
09:26:42	Unhelpful	amiconn: by themselves, as opposed to how it inlines them in allowed_shift?
09:26:56	amiconn	It doesn't inline them....
09:27:28	amiconn	That's what your pastebin shows
09:27:42	jhMikeS	clearly not with jsr/bx there
09:29:01	GodEater_	btw, is the beast now "fully supported" ?
09:29:10	Unhelpful	hrm... it doesn't say what it's actually calling, but the .elf has __clzsi2 in it
09:30:12	Llorean	GodEater_: Is it in rbutil?
09:30:37	jhMikeS	GodEater_: Again?
09:30:44	amiconn	Relocation is not yet applied (of course) if you disassemble the .o. Disasseble to .elf to be sure what it actually calls
09:31:03	amiconn	*Disassemble the .elf ...
09:31:03	Unhelpful	yes, i've realized that now... :/
09:31:20	GodEater_	Llorean: no idea, that's why I was asking
09:31:38	Llorean	GodEater_: I'm pretty sure it's not yet.
09:31:42	Unhelpful	well, the .elf for coldfire and armv4 both contain __clzsi2... the symbol name only appears inside allowed_shift on coldfire, though, which is a bit confusing.
09:31:43	Llorean	It would be on the front page, wouldn't it?
09:32:18	GodEater_	Llorean: that's what I assumed - but BigBambi and LamdaCalculus seem to be answering forum questions about it, AND pointing people to the manual
09:32:19	jhMikeS	well, it will finally get supported more times than any other target I know of. :p
09:32:23	GodEater_	which made me wonder if I'd missed something
09:32:42	Llorean	GodEater_: I think only Lambda pointed them at the manual.
09:33:18	GodEater_	well true - but they're both acting like it's supported, and the manual implies the S is detected by rbutil as far as I can see
09:33:52	GodEater_	perhaps I should just butt out
09:33:57	Llorean	Well, the S manual shouldn't be available until it is detected.
09:34:02	Llorean	I think it's just a case of over-enthusiasm.
09:34:20	Unhelpful	here are the two __clzsi2 disassemblies: unhelpful.pastebin.com/da41d947">http://unhelpful.pastebin.com/da41d947
09:34:34	GodEater_	well the S manual is right there on the manual page =/
09:35:11	Llorean	Ah, it probably shouldn't be yet. =/
09:35:22	GodEater_	hence my confusion
09:35:36	GodEater_	I know I've not been as active recently as others, so I just wanted to check my facts
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09:51:12	Zagor	jhMikeS: yeah, it's a little annoyance. everything depends on make.dep, unless specifically excluded
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10:58:21	Unhelpful	here's a clz based on http://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html#IntegerLog -> http://unhelpful.pastebin.com/m4649fe61
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10:59:37	Unhelpful	it compiles much the same on coldfire, but it's all done with branches, rather than these conditional operations...
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11:23:42	kugel	Unhelpful: thanks
11:24:33	kugel	Unhelpful: why did you change the default album name position?
11:25:20	Unhelpful	kugel: only on very short (vertically) screens, where it can overlap the album covers
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11:26:31	kugel	Unhelpful: isn't the cover centered? that would mean above the cover there's always more space
11:26:52	kugel	I never liked to overlapping with the reflection. and I never liked different defaults on our targets :S
11:28:01	Unhelpful	it's never been centered :)
11:28:36	kugel	hm, but still
11:28:42	pixelma	kugel: just try a c200 sim - album title at the bottom looks really better there
11:29:53	pixelma	better overlapping the reflection than overlapping the main cover art...
11:29:56	kugel	no need, I believe you :)
11:30:30	kugel	oh it overlapps with the main cover
11:30:39	kugel	is it bigger than height/2 now?
11:31:53	Unhelpful	kugel: it's been allowed to extend clear to the top of the screen for some time now... what i did last week or so was increase the width constraint on landscape targets, so that square covers can be larger.
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11:34:09	kugel	ah, I missed that
11:35:18	kugel	Unhelpful: can you commit the radio fix? I don't have access to that tree now
11:37:41	kugel	and I got to go now, see you
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13:41:51	JdGordon	Zagor: how about moving fading into pcm? that would make volume on lineout work also :)
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13:44:58	Zagor	isn't lineout supposed to be 0db all the time?
13:45:18	JdGordon	yeah, which is why there is complaints about fade on stop not working
13:45:56	Zagor	ah
13:46:40	Zagor	fading in pcm would mean modifying already-committed pcm data. nasty.
13:47:09	Zagor	otoh we already do that for voice
13:47:09	JdGordon	not if you completly rework pcm to mix everything properly :D
13:47:51	BigBambi	GodEater: If you notice, in pretty much all of my S answers (in all of two different threads) I've told people it isn't supported
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13:47:58	Zagor	it would still mean modifying committed data. it might become less nasty though...
13:48:48	Zagor	and indeed crossfeed does it too. so I guess that argument is rather weak :-)
13:48:52	Zagor	crossfade even
13:49:24	BigBambi	GodEater: I felt telling people that it wasn't supported whilst saying info is on the wiki was better than ignoring them then having "Rockbox broke my gigabeat stuff"
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14:09:58	JdGordon	how do people feel about having the statusbar disappear for at most 500ms (or so) whent he WPS is entered?
14:10:34	JdGordon	I understand its annoying, but the overall change is worth it... and this could be fixed (hopefuuly) soonish
14:10:42	*	JdGordon cant figure it out though :/
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14:27:03	JdGordon	makes things eaiser later
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15:03:07	pixelma	I'm not sure if others agree but for my taste your last two commits had quite a few almost unrelated changes combined into one (e.g. what has the beginning of a Clip manual to do with the Recorder and Ondio descriptions for the blind?)
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15:03:16	pixelma	^ LambdaCalculus37
15:03:19	GodEater_	BigBambi: I only point out the apparent dichotomy of saying "it's not supported" and then proceeding to support it ;)
15:04:01	BigBambi	I take the point - I just think that he'd have tried to do it anyway, cocked it up and then blaimed us
15:04:46	BigBambi	I only offered any sort of support after my efforts at dissuading had proved pointless and it looked like he was going to plough on regardless
15:04:50	GodEater_	perhaps, and I'd have laughed at him. you're clearly nicer than me ;)
15:05:14	*	BigBambi smacks self - *blamed
15:05:23	BigBambi	GodEater: Hehe, not sure about that :)
15:05:47	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: I had started some Clip manual work, but was also doing some unrelated work (rewrite the Ondio, Player, and Recorder blind descriptions) as well. I know I didn't have to commit the two Clip manual pieces, but I had already added them to my local trunk.
15:06:09	LambdaCalculus37	Also, the Clip blind description was written in on my local trunk before.
15:06:32	pixelma	you could have made two commits out of it
15:06:46	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: That's true.
15:07:42	GodEater_	BigBambi: in any case, my post really wasn't intended in any way as an admonishment - I just wondered if I'd missed something.
15:07:45	LambdaCalculus37	But that's why I mentioned "Some various pieces of manual work" in my commit message.
15:07:50	pixelma	LambdaCalculus37: makes reverting easier (maybe not as important for the manual) and ups your commit count ;)
15:08:18	Llorean	Generally we like to have our commits as 'atomic' as possible. One commit per "task" being accomplished, so the history is as useful as possible.
15:08:30	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: Ah, good point. ;)
15:08:39	BigBambi	GodEater: Sorry, I've been in a bit of a bad mood for a couple of days - I seem to keep jumping off on things :)
15:08:53	LambdaCalculus37	Llorean: Understood. I'll make sure in the future to keep tasks and commit separate.
15:09:51	GodEater_	BigBambi: no problem - as I said this morning (when you weren't around), it's merely that I've been otherwise occupied in recent weeks, and thought I'd missed something important.
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15:10:11	GodEater_	When I dived into the 'S' manual I got really confused
15:10:44	BigBambi	GodEater: Yes, that is why after the manual was mentioned I pointed at the wiki page
15:11:00	LambdaCalculus37	BigBambi: I was wondering why the manual was up.
15:11:05	LambdaCalculus37	It still needs some work.
15:11:14	BigBambi	As I thought if he tried the manual it'd be urgh
15:11:33	LambdaCalculus37	Madness would ensue?
15:11:38	GodEater_	Well he'd get nowhere trying to follow the manual
15:11:42	GodEater_	it simply wouldn't work
15:12:23	LambdaCalculus37	GodEater_: One of the reasons the manual is still confusing is because we don't have a simpler install method.
15:12:36	BigBambi	Not really
15:12:45	BigBambi	The manual doesn't contain the actual installation method
15:12:52	GodEater_	LambdaCalculus37: the manual claims that rbutil supports the S
15:12:52	BigBambi	simple or otherwise
15:12:55	GodEater_	which it doens't
15:12:57	GodEater_	*doesn't
15:13:29	LambdaCalculus37	GodEater_: That's one problem.
15:14:00	GodEater_	hahaha
15:14:06	GodEater_	that's an understatement I think ;)
15:14:32	LambdaCalculus37	:)
15:15:21	GodEater_	as BigBambi says, the other "problem" is that the manual method isn't detailed either
15:15:36	GodEater_	in my view, the manual for the S should not be publically available in it's current form
15:15:49	*	GodEater_ will brb
15:16:38	LambdaCalculus37	The manual method still requires you to roll a bootloader, build mknkboot, patch an S firmware, and a whole ton of stuff that a lot of users simply won't get, and if most of them still can't do a simple iPod install by reading the manual, then there's no way in hell they can install on the beast
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15:18:17	BigBambi	LambdaCalculus37: Yes, but at least it works. The manual doesn't contain those instructions, and the instructions it does contain just aren't true. Those are the manual problems, not any inherent difficulties in the install method itself
15:19:33	LambdaCalculus37	BigBambi: No arguments about it not working. But IIRC there was talk about writing a simpler tool to help facilitate installation on the beast (I think something like beastpatcher?)
15:19:52	LambdaCalculus37	Plus, most of that manual work looks like filler for now until more proper instructions can be written.
15:20:02	BigBambi	LambdaCalculus37: I'm sure the plan is to integrate it into rbutil
15:20:08	GodEater_	which it is
15:20:18	GodEater_	but we can't until we figure out the licensing issues with libMTP on windows
15:20:25	BigBambi	But we were talking about the problems with the manual, not with the installation method
15:20:54	GodEater_	publishing a manual with missing information is one thing, publishing it with blatantly wrong info is reprehensible imo
15:21:13	LambdaCalculus37	GodEater_: Yes, so this must be fixed.
15:21:17	*	LambdaCalculus37 pokes Bagder
15:21:22	PSPdemon	<LambdaCalculus37> The manual method still requires you to roll a bootloader, build mknkboot, patch an S firmware, and a whole ton of stuff that a lot of users simply won't get, and if most of them still can't do a simple iPod install by reading the manual, then there's no way in hell they can install on the beast
15:21:36	PSPdemon	^lool... sound like the psp scene :P
15:21:36	GodEater_	LambdaCalculus37: thought you had commit rights now ?
15:21:36	LambdaCalculus37	PSPdemon: Yes, I know what I said.
15:21:55	LambdaCalculus37	GodEater_: I do, but I right now, I can't commit anything.
15:22:00	LambdaCalculus37	Not from work, anyway.
15:22:12	GodEater_	ah ok
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15:23:01	Ors	Hi, I am trying to install rockbox from Ubuntu. It says that file or folder not found when I use chmod +x sansapatcher. Could anyone assist please?
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15:23:47	GodEater_	ors: that would be because you're running the chmod from a directory which does not contain sansapatcher
15:23:55	GodEater_	ors: out of interest, why are you not using rbutil ?
15:24:01	BigBambi	Ors: Are you in the directory to which you downloaded sansapatcher?
15:26:32	*	GodEater_ watches some tumbleweed roll through
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15:27:30	Ors	I have sorted that problem, now it says that i do not have permission for raw disc access. I have tried with sudo but did not work
15:27:54	GodEater_	I can hear wolves howling
15:28:28	GodEater_	Ors: what error did you get when you tried with sudo ?
15:29:24	Ors	GodEater_: permission denied on 3 devices and no sansa detected. you need permission for raw disc access for this program to work
15:29:49	Ors	GodEater_: How do I do it with rbutil?
15:30:03	GodEater_	that sounds like what you'd get when you run without sudo, not with it
15:30:20	GodEater_	can you confirm you did "sudo ./sansapatcher" ?
15:30:58	GodEater_	Ors: What to do with rbutil is all covered in the manual
15:32:10	BigBambi	If you use rbutil keep in mind "Complete / Small Install is not working correctly for Sansa / Apple players: bootloader installation unmounts the player (required), but the build gets installed before the system can remount the player. You need to use the separate installs from the "Installation" tab for now. "
15:32:20	Ors	GodEater_: I have typed sudo with the wrong command (sorry, I am new to rockbox as well as Ubuntu). All sorted now, thanks
15:32:39	GodEater_	Ors: pleasure
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15:34:06	wolfy12	hey guys I have a question
15:34:09	wolfy12	is anyone here ?
15:34:21	GodEater_	yes
15:34:27	*	GodEater_ is happy to answer this easy question
15:34:30	Zagor	wolfy12: that's not your question, is it?
15:34:33	GodEater_	oh
15:34:35	GodEater_	it's not ?
15:34:38	wolfy12	I have an iPod nano
15:34:44	wolfy12	1st gen
15:34:50	wolfy12	and when I plug it into my computer. it isn't in disk mode
15:34:58	wolfy12	no drive shows up... whats up with that ?'
15:35:03	wolfy12	I have the rockbox 3.1 installed
15:35:26	LambdaCalculus37	What happens on the screen when you plug it in?
15:35:55	wolfy12	it loads rockbox
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15:35:59	wolfy12	on the nano
15:36:10	wolfy12	but nothing shows up on the computer
15:36:41	wolfy12	did I need to turn on disk mode before I flashed the ROM or something ?
15:36:59	*	GodEater_ wonders what ROM wolfy12 has flashed, and what with
15:37:35	wolfy12	ipodpatcher.exe
15:37:57	BigBambi	No Ram flashing there
15:38:00	*	GodEater_ also wonders what so many people have against rbutil
15:38:02	BigBambi	or ROM even
15:38:03	wolfy12	ok well...
15:38:14	wolfy12	why is it that it isn't showing a drive when i plug it in then
15:38:28	LambdaCalculus37	What about when you start the nano in the Apple firmware?
15:38:42	LambdaCalculus37	Shut down Rockbox, click on the hold switch, and try connecting again.
15:38:43	wolfy12	then yeah
15:38:49	wolfy12	it goes to disk mode
15:38:54	LambdaCalculus37	Then do that from now on.
15:38:55	gevaerts	wolfy12: which exact rockbox version do you have installed? (you can see this in System->Rockbox info)
15:38:56	wolfy12	but freezes when I disconnect
15:38:58	GodEater_	you already know why it isn't showing a drive, it's because it's not in disk mode. The real question is "why isn't it going into disk mode?"
15:39:00	wolfy12	.... uhh.. soo annoying
15:39:18	wolfy12	verison ummm
15:39:34	wolfy12	r19869-090128
15:39:44	LambdaCalculus37	That's not Rockbox 3.1, then.
15:39:47	BigBambi	So not 3.1 then :)
15:39:49	wolfy12	really?
15:39:52	wolfy12	hmm
15:40:00	BigBambi	wolfy12: There was a bug that was fiwed recently, please update
15:40:02	wolfy12	i used the latest build
15:40:05	wolfy12	from the daily builds i think
15:40:07	BigBambi	*fixed
15:40:11	wolfy12	hmmm
15:40:21	BigBambi	wolfy12: A new build is made everytime a change is made
15:40:24	*	gevaerts suspects another instance of FS #9831
15:40:25	LambdaCalculus37	Rockbox 3.1 is exactly that... Rockbox version 3.1.
15:40:31	BigBambi	Get the latest build from Current builds
15:40:33	LambdaCalculus37	A daily build doesn't count as a release.
15:40:43	wolfy12	k
15:40:46	LambdaCalculus37	Nor does a current build.
15:40:49	BigBambi	wolfy12: Current build not daily build
15:40:55	gevaerts	BigBambi: latest build is unlikely to solve this I think...
15:41:09	GodEater_	gevaerts: is the issue present in 3.1 itself ?
15:41:11	gevaerts	no
15:41:19	*	GodEater_ once more recommends rbutil then :)
15:41:22	BigBambi	gevaerts: I thought I saw on the forums that people said it was fixed
15:41:38	BigBambi	since r19874 from memory
15:41:43	gevaerts	BigBambi: ah ok. I haven't looked at the forums recently...
15:41:47	wolfy12	ok so how do I get it into disk mode again ?
15:41:51	wolfy12	from say.. if it is off
15:41:52	gevaerts	Worth trying then
15:42:07	LambdaCalculus37	Click on the hold switch and connect the nano to your computer is one way.
15:42:38	wolfy12	OH NICE
15:42:38	*	gevaerts clearly hasn't followed development since last night properly...
15:42:46	BigBambi	gevaerts: Or rather some said it was OK, others didn't
15:42:53	GodEater_	gevaerts: shame on you
15:42:54	wolfy12	I didnt know it was that easy Lambda... thanks
15:42:59	GodEater_	gevaerts: go to your corner
15:43:19	GodEater_	wolfy12: we can recommend the fine manual. It's really worth reading....
15:43:40	LambdaCalculus37	We poured a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into that manual.
15:43:41	wolfy12	ill dl it
15:43:50	wolfy12	I'm gonna put 3.1 on.. see if this fixes my problem
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15:44:46	*	PSPdemon wonders how good that anti-alias is on rockbox
15:47:00	BigBambi	what anti-alias?
15:47:10	*	GodEater_ was wondering the same
15:48:18	wolfy12	hey thanks guys.. my problem is totally fixed now
15:48:21	wolfy12	now that I have 3.1
15:48:31	wolfy12	when I plug it in.. it loads rockbox.. and is in disk mode.. yay
15:48:37	PSPdemon	BigBambi, subpixel font rendering ring a bell?
15:48:51	BigBambi	PSPdemon: Nope, Rockbox doesn't have that
15:48:56	PSPdemon	basically smoothing of fonts to be less pixely
15:49:05	GodEater_	we know what it is
15:49:11	BigBambi	Yes, I know, but Rockbox doesn't have it
15:49:13	GodEater_	but Rockbox doesn't do it
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15:50:04	LambdaCalculus37	I think there was a patch floating around in Flyspray for anti-aliased fonts.
15:50:37	LambdaCalculus37	FS #8961 is the patch.
15:50:59	LambdaCalculus37	But that patch isn't in SVN, of course.
15:51:23	BigBambi	Yes, there is a patch but Rockbox itself doesn't do it at this time
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16:05:17	PSPdemon	Lambda, there is a patch for it
16:05:28	PSPdemon	and im curious how well it works
16:05:46	PSPdemon	ive seen a few screenshots with anti-alias fonts patch.... looks nice :)
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16:09:29	LambdaCalculus37	PSPdemon: I did mention that there was a patch for it. And if you're curious, then download it and set up a development environment, and try the patch out.
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16:13:03	PSPdemon	Lambda, i already have it setup...wondering if its worth it though :S
16:13:22	PSPdemon	more or less is if it has any speed problems ( albit i doubt it does )
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16:17:10	jbotalan	so...the themes site. is there anyone here who has been involved in the development of it? i would like to help, and i have the code in front of me; i'm experimenting with it and have some curiosities that i'd like to talk out with the original author(s) of it
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16:19:20	GodEater_	jbotalan: best thing would be to just ask your questions about the site code
16:19:33	GodEater_	linuxstb or scorche will see your question at some point, even if it's not immediately
16:20:50	mcuelenaere	jbotalan: I worked a bit on the theme site
16:23:57	jbotalan	ah okay. so i am curious−−and i have only done some very limited coding−−but how much separation of presentation from code is expected? are there any documented goals of the site? like a list of features?
16:24:07	jbotalan	*wanted features
16:24:33	mcuelenaere	heh, that's something I also like to know
16:24:58	jbotalan	so there's no clear direction?
16:25:09	GodEater_	jbotalan: that's kind of why there is no themes site ;)
16:25:10	mcuelenaere	AFAIK it needs to be able to handle uploads of themes and an administration page
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16:25:18	mcuelenaere	and of course displaying them
16:25:58	GodEater_	and downloading via rbutil
16:26:06	mcuelenaere	that wouldn't be really hard to implement
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16:26:28	mcuelenaere	and try doing this all by KISS
16:26:59	jbotalan	yep. i just noticed some repeated code; that's why i was wondering if there should be any more separation.
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16:27:23	mcuelenaere	well I think the code needs some cleanup and possibly rewriting
16:27:33	rasher	There's a tracker task with some theme site work
16:27:38	mcuelenaere	especially the Zip handling, this should be done by using internal PHP functions
16:27:50	GodEater_	jbotalan: I don't think anyone will object to more seperation if it helps
16:28:00	rasher	FS #9643
16:28:03	PSPdemon	theme site work?
16:28:12	jbotalan	just wanted to make sure there wasn't a reason for things to be the way they are.
16:28:15	*	PSPdemon would like to know more
16:28:21	PSPdemon	is there a thread about this?
16:28:24	mcuelenaere	no
16:28:27	jbotalan	PSPdemon: i am looking at working on the theme site
16:28:37	PSPdemon	ahh
16:28:42	jbotalan	just was rooting up some information before i stomp on someone's toes, lol
16:28:46	rasher	jbotalan: You might want to have a look at the changes in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9643
16:29:06	rasher	Looks like it's a patch to apply to the svn version
16:29:08	mcuelenaere	jbotalan: this is my most current version: mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/themes_rockbox/PHP/">http://mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/themes_rockbox/PHP/
16:29:08	jbotalan	rasher: thanks. will do
16:29:15	mcuelenaere	but it needs some reworking
16:29:34	mcuelenaere	(it includes that particular patch too)
16:31:24	jbotalan	so mcuelenaere, do you have posted source of your version? what did you do?
16:31:47	mcuelenaere	I can generate a svn diff if you want
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16:32:41	jbotalan	that would be cool. i actually have to move across campus at the moment, and then i will be in class...could you either post it somewhere or email it to me? jacob.rau@gmail.com
16:34:18	mcuelenaere	http://pastebin.com/m26794518
16:34:48	jbotalan	alrighty will have a look. thanks...will keep in touch
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16:35:32	PSPdemon	Sorry, no themes are available for the SanDisk Sansa e200.
16:35:34	PSPdemon	D:
16:36:11	mcuelenaere	PSPdemon: it's 1) not functional 2) doesn't have any themes because that's a free hosting limited to 10MB
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16:36:22	GodEater_	oh dear
16:36:31	PSPdemon	oh wow
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16:36:40	PSPdemon	limited to 10 mb's?
16:36:55	PSPdemon	surely there is better out there
16:36:56	mcuelenaere	PSPdemon: yes, and it's off-topic
16:37:08	PSPdemon	oh my bad
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17:49:25	scorche	mcuelenaere: what do the (?) marks mean in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ThemeRepository ?
17:50:34	mcuelenaere	hmm I'm not sure, probably something like things I didn't understand/didn't know how to implement at that moment
17:51:26	scorche	those were all already implemented at the time...that was just me describing how the (then current) theme site worked and what each file was for
17:52:00	mcuelenaere	hmm was that version ever in SVN?
17:52:09	scorche	yes
17:52:14	scorche	(maybe?)
17:52:44	mcuelenaere	http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/themes.rockbox.org/trunk/?pathrev=18164 looks like the oldest version
17:52:57	mcuelenaere	and it doesn't include devices.txt or header.txt
17:53:02	scorche	is the current codebase in svn plus that patch i saw linked above?
17:53:36	mcuelenaere	no, it's without
17:54:03	mcuelenaere	AFAIK, there are 3 different versions now: SVN, SVN+patch, SVN+patch+my changes
17:55:55	scorche	is there a reason they arent committed?...as there is no current theme site at the moment, i wouldnt think there would be issues with simply updating SVN with what exists
17:56:39	mcuelenaere	hmm I'm sure my changes aren't completely clean, so I didn't commit them
17:57:10	scorche	clean as in whitespace/comments?
17:57:13	mcuelenaere	I'm not sure about the patch, AFAI looked at it; it mostly only changed the internal structural representation of models
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17:57:26	mcuelenaere	and got it working with Windows unzip version
17:57:39	mcuelenaere	also, I had trouble with it getting to work (that's why I modified it)
17:58:18	mcuelenaere	probably not clean as in: not properly tested or 'hackerish' code
17:58:25	mcuelenaere	or just unfinished parts
17:58:29	PSPdemon	anyone other than me want to report a bug?
17:58:29	mcuelenaere	anyway, dinner time right now
17:58:30	PSPdemon	lol
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18:01:25	scorche	mcuelenaere: i see...i just think that currently we need one main copy in SVN that we can all work off of instead of having SVN, your version, the patches on flyspray, etc...it would be handy to have one single version to work off of instead of trying to explain all the different versions to a newcomer wanting to work on it and having duplication of effort
18:02:43	linuxstb	mcuelenaere: Maybe I'm overly paranoid, but I don't trust things like PHP libraries. I chose to use the external unzip utility because it's well-proven. Remember we're allowing the world to upload things to a server, so paranoia and simplicity are high on my list of features.
18:03:33	scorche	what i would like to have happen from now is to get one version in SVN with what exists of likely your code and anything we might want from the patch, then have a discussion to hammer out all the details of what we want and expect to place that into a wiki page, then have X Y and Z implemented
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18:24:47	mcuelenaere	scorche: I agree, it's just that mine is more of a WIP
18:24:57	mcuelenaere	and I'm not always working on it :)
18:25:55	PSPdemon	now i have basically reproduced what i did to break all codecs.... lets see if it happens again :P
18:26:04	mcuelenaere	linuxstb: ok. but the main reason why I wanted to switch to using PHP libraries was as that patch was created for using both GNU unzip and a Windows version
18:26:28	PSPdemon	i know this method breaks mod.... and at one point did break all codecs... but need to try to reproduce the magical "nothing works" one
18:26:40	scorche	indeed...i just feel that we should go with a more commit-early-commit-often scheme at the moment, since if anything is broken or if anything is insecure for now, it wont hurt much as there isnt any live site (not to say that we shouldnt bother to make it insecure and un-broken, of course)
18:26:51	mcuelenaere	ok
18:27:32	mcuelenaere	linuxstb: and what's really the difference between GNU unzip and the PHP library? they are both open source so they can have both (public) exploits..
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18:28:18	mcuelenaere	jbotalan: do you read the logs? there was a theme site discussion while you weren't here
18:28:55	PSPdemon	i think the site is called rbthemes.com
18:29:07	scorche	PSPdemon: what site?
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18:31:05	PSPdemon	http://rbthemes.com/ <−−- good one
18:31:24	scorche	"good one"?...what are you talking about?
18:31:44	PSPdemon	that was to response of mcuelenaere
18:31:50	PSPdemon	( and jbotalan
18:31:54	mcuelenaere	?
18:32:04	scorche	and do not link that site here please...that is not run by us...
18:32:17	PSPdemon	lol.... sorry
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18:59:04	scorche	erm...yes
18:59:23	PatrickPatience	Mind if I just check him out for a second?
18:59:43	PatrickPatience	I wanna see his functions.
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19:00:40	San-Man	whoa, crowded in here...
19:02:26	San-Man	anyone alive that can help with a rockbox install issue?
19:02:58	scorche	it is better if you just ask the question right out...
19:03:29	scorche	PatrickPatience: heh...dancer is oooooold...there are lots of docs available online, but feel free to PM it if you wish, i guess
19:03:58	San-Man	ok, got a sansa e260 v1...I can see the thing and transfer files to it but when I try to install rockbox I get an error message (installer crashes upon autodetect also)...
19:04:48	scorche	and what error message?...how long did you wait for the installer to autodetect your device before you decided it "crashed"?
19:05:17	San-Man	I'll try it again to get the exact message...the window greyed out...(using vista)...
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19:06:53	San-Man	ok, plugged in the sansa, screen says connected...shows up as Sansa e260 (G:) and (H:)...
19:07:24	San-Man	running the rockbox util...
19:07:42	scorche	you dont need to update us...just tell us the results...
19:08:45	San-Man	oooook...Autodetect says "Could not detect a device"...select manually...
19:09:05	scorche	so select it manually
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19:09:47	San-Man	Progress: Searching for Sansa then Permission for disc access denied
19:10:09	scorche	are you running it under administrative rights?
19:10:17	San-Man	yes...
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19:15:25	San-Man	fyi, firmware version is 01.02.18A if it matters...
19:15:58	jbotalan	mcuelenaere: you here? i see linuxstb isn't anymore...dumb classes getting in the way of useful work! i did read the logs; i want to wait on development until everyone else has committed their changes
19:16:23	mcuelenaere	I'm still here
19:16:27	mcuelenaere	and working on the theme site ;)
19:17:04	jbotalan	cool. i think encapsulating the zip functions is a good idea since there's a debate as to how we are to handle that. shall i?
19:17:39	mcuelenaere	encapsulating them into a class you mean? sure
19:17:45	mcuelenaere	but what are you going to encapsulate?
19:17:57	mcuelenaere	the Linux 'unzip' utility you mean?
19:18:06	bertrik	kugel, I'd like to commit FS #9763 (modified cabbiev2 wps for clip) soonish. You made some modifications to the wps, do you need to claim credits for that or anything, before I commit?
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19:18:54	jbotalan	i think i would use the built-in zip functions; but since we might need to change that encapsulating them would be good
19:19:39	bertrik	also I'd like to have someone have a last look at the changes I made in root.make wpsbuild.pl and buildzip.pl for FS #9763
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19:22:32	jbotalan	hmm. i think im going to spend a bit more time thinking on it before i write anything
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19:35:21	bertrik	who is the "guardian" of the cabbie v2 wps? I'd like this person to have a look at a modified version for the clip (needed because of the yellow/cyan split in the display)
19:37:29	Llorean	I don't think there really is one.
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19:38:23	pixelma	the SVN version port was mostly done or at least lead by ZincAlloy (Johannes Voggenthaler), he's more active in the forums. I'd try posting in the "ongoing default theme contest" thread
19:39:09	pixelma	he started it at least
19:39:25	jbotalan	mcuelenaere: do you know what the purpose of disp_helper() is? I don't understand its functionality at all...
19:39:27	bertrik	pixelma, ok thanks, I'll have a look in the forums
19:39:41	mcuelenaere	jbotalan: yes, the name is a bit misleading
19:40:16	mcuelenaere	it's meant to add a CSS class 'error' to an element when it's in the array $err
19:40:28	jbotalan	oh ok that makes a bit more sense
19:40:49	pixelma	bertrik: I did the monochrome ports mostly, can I have a look somewhere?
19:40:50	jbotalan	it helps to know what the <?= syntax is lol...i figured it out
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19:41:23	mcuelenaere	yes, it's a bit ugly
19:41:31	mcuelenaere	I'm not sure how to do it else, with JS perhaps
19:41:38	mcuelenaere	but that's not really KISS..
19:41:42	jbotalan	right
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19:41:47	jbotalan	hmm
19:42:07	bertrik	pixelma, it's in FS #9763, an screenshot of the proposed wps is at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9763?getfile=18408
19:43:05	jbotalan	it doesn't even look like "value" is a valid attribute. why would that be there?
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19:46:23	pixelma	bertrik: because the Clip has a brighter colour on black colour scheme I would try to draw the graphics differently with the black part (on the displyay which is the white in the bmp) at the bottom, it looks better this way, more "natural". You can see what I mean in the m:robe100 port
19:46:39	jbotalan	mcuelenaere: how about prepping an array with each of the field names, set each field's value in this array to "error" if bad and something else if good and then when echoing the form always echo with the contents of that array? code is in one spot, kiss.
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19:47:51	mcuelenaere	jbotalan: I'm currently reworking that page
19:48:16	jbotalan	oh ok
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19:48:28	mcuelenaere	this is how it currently looks: http://pastebin.com/d6ec6299a
19:48:38	bertrik	pixelma, I think you mean that the "highlight" on the button is now black on the clip, right?
19:48:51	mcuelenaere	so it's more or less like you said :)
19:48:57	jhMikeS	anyone know if a 3g firewire cable is safe to use with an ipod video?
19:48:59	pixelma	bertrik: yes
19:49:27	pixelma	I'd rather draw the "shadow" then
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19:51:11	pixelma	I actually did for the m:robe100
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19:51:26	mcuelenaere	jbotalan: oh and if you're interested, there's also a need for an any format->PNG converter (with any format being any image format)
19:51:44	jbotalan	mcuelenaere: i find line 43 troublesome. "..$_FILES['zip']['type'] = "applica..." uhh...double equals?
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19:51:59	jbotalan	same for the next line. and i'll dig some
19:52:07	jbotalan	see what i can come up with
19:52:09	Llorean	jhMikeS: I think all the firewire cables are fine to use, except they'll only charge it.
19:52:24	mcuelenaere	jbotalan: hmm you're totally right, not sure whether that's my code
19:52:31	mcuelenaere	anyway, I wasn't there yet with my rework :)
19:52:34	jbotalan	idk just noticed it!
19:52:45	Bagder	mcuelenaere: for image conversion you can just run 'convert' (from imagemagick/graphicsimagick)
19:52:59	mcuelenaere	ah ok, even better
19:53:10	bertrik	pixelma, would this mean that we have to create new graphics or can we use the mrobe:100 ones (seem to be a bit bigger)
19:53:13	gevaerts	I'd imagine there being php wrappers for imagemagick
19:53:15	*	mcuelenaere thinks he should put this on that wiki page
19:53:24	Ors	Hi there, I am unable to play an avi file even with mpegplayer. What might be the problem?
19:53:28	Bagder	gevaerts: there probable are, indeed
19:53:31	jhMikeS	"FireWire connections are not supported. To transfer songs, connect the USB cable provided." heh
19:53:37	LambdaCalculus37	Ors: That you're playing an AVI file?
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19:53:52	LambdaCalculus37	Mpegplayer only plays MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 videos.
19:53:53	mcuelenaere	question is then whether they're installed on the server..
19:53:55	pixelma	bertrik: I think we would need new ones, but that could be done later maybe
19:54:08	Llorean	Ors: "mpeg" player.
19:54:17	Ors	LambdaCalculus37: What is the solution then
19:54:23	LambdaCalculus37	Transcode the video.
19:54:48	gevaerts	mcuelenaere: the "production" server will be under someone's full control (I guess scorche's), so that shouldn't be a problem
19:54:49	jhMikeS	Llorean: I just wanted to check regarding frying anything mostly. I don't think my sis would be thrilled if I did.
19:55:20	Llorean	jhMikeS: Ah, yes. Well, my understanding was/is that it's safe to charge them with 'em.
19:55:43	Ors	LambdaCalculus37: Could you recommend what to use on ubuntu?
19:56:06	mcuelenaere	hmm my test server doesn't seem to have imagick extensions installed
19:56:51	jbotalan	mcuelenaere: i'm 99.9% certain that it is an addon you have to install manually...
19:57:01	mcuelenaere	yes it is
19:57:10	mcuelenaere	but it does have 'convert' installed so I could use that
19:57:23	LambdaCalculus37	I recommend reading our fine wiki page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
19:57:29	LambdaCalculus37	There are several options listed on it.
19:58:01	jbotalan	(lol) that was the option i came up with in my googling−−stopped looking at the irc window. convert, but not imagemagick? uhh i wonder what that's part of?
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19:58:37	gevaerts	jbotalan: not the imagemagick php bindings
19:58:57	jbotalan	oh ahh now it makes sense
19:59:05	jbotalan	sorry...being a bit thickheaded
19:59:09	scorche	right...the server it will be going on is mine and i have full control over it, so it will not be a problem...
19:59:52	jhMikeS	amiconn: did that mpegplayer problem you reported (invalid time with nero encoded file) go away? I made a commit (r19875) that should address what appeared to be the cause.
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20:02:10	bluebrother	any thoughts on an "expert" mode in rbutil's device selection dialog?
20:02:44	bluebrother	the idea is to have it disabled and auto-enable it if an error occured during detection. That way (at least I hope) users are forced to use the autodetection feature first
20:02:51	bluebrother	currenct look: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/snapshot7.png
20:03:14	*	mcuelenaere is having the feeling that patch messed up more then it did good..
20:04:20	amiconn	jhMikeS: Didn't retry yet
20:04:35	Llorean	bluebrother: Can auto-detection handle multiple devices yet?
20:04:49	bluebrother	Llorean: no.
20:05:16	kugel	bluebrother: I don't think there's need for that
20:05:30	bluebrother	but I don't think that's a big deal for the average user. It should be able handling it at some later point though.
20:05:31	kugel	from my experience, user mostly use auto detection anyway
20:05:41	Llorean	bluebrother: I like the idea of not giving a choice, normally (always relying on autodetect unless something goes wrong) but I'd like there to be a way to handle the case multiple devices are hooked up
20:05:42	bluebrother	kugel: you're aware how many users fail to use the autodetection?
20:05:52	Llorean	Even if it's as simple as "Multiple devices detected, please run when only a single one is attached"
20:06:06	Llorean	We need to try to discourage any use of manual selection.
20:06:07	bluebrother	Llorean: enable the "expert mode" yourself :)
20:06:19	kugel	bluebrother: no, as I said, the most do autodetection from my experience
20:06:22	jhMikeS	amiconn: IIRC it was the audio track that had the problem which in that case it should play video with no audio. If it can't validate video it should say the format isn't supported.
20:06:41	bluebrother	kugel: well, your experience obviously differs from mine :)
20:06:59	Llorean	kugel: The problem is that "most" still leaves a considerable percentage who don't.
20:07:19	Llorean	The other problem is that many do auto-detect, then attempt to "correct" it because they think it's made a mistake.
20:07:25	bluebrother	I especially like those people who choose Ipod 1G for a Nano 1G ...
20:10:21	*	domonoky1 should probably continue to work on FS #9485 someday :-)
20:10:48	domonoky1	but the expert mode looks good.
20:11:06	bluebrother	hehe ... was thinking about picking that up already
20:11:27	bluebrother	though I'd prefer to just instruct the user to attach only one device −− or make his selection manually.
20:11:36	kugel	bluebrother: why not go even further? completely hide the manual detection part
20:11:43	bluebrother	Otherwise we'd need to handle multiple devices for the *patchers too
20:11:43	kugel	and make it visible via a drop down button
20:12:02	bluebrother	drop down button?
20:12:24	Llorean	I do agree with "completely hide it" at least until the box is checked or something
20:12:30	bluebrother	well, in that case there wouldn't be a feedback if something is actually selected
20:12:35	domonoky1	bluebrother: the presentation in this patch is not good. But i think the reworked detection code, is on the right way.
20:12:36	kugel	a button that, when you click it, lets the filesystem view appear, by expanding the dialog
20:13:05	bluebrother	why a button? Why not using a checkbox?
20:13:15	kugel	checkbox works too...
20:13:32	kugel	button/checkbox/radio button...whatever actually
20:13:35	bluebrother	a button would looks kinda weird there.
20:13:43	bluebrother	radio button wouldn't work ;-)
20:13:50	kugel	my suggestion wasn't focussed on making it a button
20:14:10	*	bluebrother points out that there is a noticably difference between radio-, check- and pushbuttons :)
20:14:13	kugel	but on hiding, I don't really meant to say "it must be a button"
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20:14:26	kugel	didn't*
20:15:01	*	bluebrother will play around with the presentation of that a bit
20:15:09	kugel	bluebrother: well, you can be picky about buttons, or just use what fits best
20:15:20	fml	Has something changed in the Wiki? I enter a page name into the 'go to' field (top right page corner), press ENTER, but nothing happens
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20:19:33	Llorean	Would anyone object to a rule for the forums asking people to refer to their players by their original storage (H120 rather than H160, etc) for the purpose of more clearly identifying specific players in discussions?
20:20:04	Llorean	For example, an iPod 5G 30GB can be upgraded to 60/80 but the 32MB of RAM is the important part. Same with the 16MB of RAM in the H110 / 115 that could readily be upgraded to larger capacities as well
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20:24:37	LambdaCalculus37	Llorean: As long as they clarify (e.g. "I have a 30GB iPod video that I recently upgraded with an 80GB drive"), I don't have a problem because they're at least telling us what they've upgraded from.
20:25:19	gevaerts	Indeed. I think we want to know both the original model and any modifications
20:26:18	evilnick	There's (almost) no such thing as being too thorough when describing what isn't working as expected, imho
20:26:56	Llorean	So maybe a guideline like "when reporting your player, mention the original model plus any modifications you've made to it"?
20:27:32	gevaerts	Llorean: "that have been made" I think. People can resell modified players :)
20:27:47	Llorean	True
20:28:34	gevaerts	Or maybe "any modifications or upgrades that have been done". I can imagine some people not seeing a different disk as a modification
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20:54:33	mcuelenaere	checkwps seems to be broken again..
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20:59:08	mcuelenaere	does anyone have a clue how to fix this error?
20:59:08	mcuelenaere	../../firmware/export/font.h:66: error: expected identifier before numeric constant
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21:02:21	kugel	mcuelenaere: is your font.h modified?
21:02:27	fml	mcuelenaere: are the same compiler flags as for the core RB used? Because the same code is used for it and it compiles happiy.
21:02:33	mcuelenaere	no, it happens when I try to compile checkwps
21:02:45	kugel	that's a enum definition, not sure how it should break
21:03:25	kugel	mcuelenaere: maybe it's redefined?
21:04:53	kugel	wow, checkwps is very broken
21:05:13	mcuelenaere	hmm it's definitely one of those compiler flags
21:05:23	mcuelenaere	yes and the theme site could use checkwps
21:06:13	mcuelenaere	hmm no, it's not the compiler flag
21:11:25	mcuelenaere	ok I got the majority to compile, only the font.h bug remains..
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21:41:56	casainho	hello :-)
21:42:12	casainho	does anyone knows of a working target player that uses TLV320AIC23 audio codec IC?
21:42:38	Bagder	grep TLV320 firmware/export/config-*h
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21:42:57	Bagder	although I'm not sure they use *AIC23
21:44:24	casainho	Bagder: I remeber you said that few targets use it but just one is working... don't remember what target
21:44:55	Bagder	m3, m5 and x5 are all working
21:46:52	casainho	hmmm, ARM? coldfire?
21:47:31	Bagder	coldfire
21:49:12	casainho	there is no pcm.c nor codec.c files, why?
21:49:21	Bagder	?
21:49:22	casainho	they are not target tree?
21:49:26	Bagder	no
21:49:38	domonoky1	casainho: there is a working tlv320.c driver in rockbox, so you just need to provide the correct tranfer functions..
21:49:39	Bagder	pcm are independent of hw
21:49:47	Bagder	is even
21:50:17	casainho	well, I were looking for that files, since I saw that Onda targets have that files for audio codec drivers...
21:51:00	casainho	so, can anyone guide me, tell me what files should I creat for making the audio codec drivers?
21:51:02	Bagder	firmware/drivers/audio/tlv320.c
21:51:07	Bagder	firmware/target/coldfire/iaudio/m5/audio-m5.c
21:51:09	Bagder	etc
21:51:34	Bagder	I mean, those are existing "examples"
21:51:42	bluebrother	wasn't the h100 / h300 also using the tlv?
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21:52:40	Bagder	nope
21:53:11	kugel	mcuelenaere: what flags did you use to compile?
21:53:21	mcuelenaere	none
21:53:29	mcuelenaere	I mean, I added none
21:53:39	mcuelenaere	kugel: btw see commit
21:53:50	kugel	which commit? :)
21:54:00	mcuelenaere	19880
21:54:02	*	kugel waits a few seconds
21:54:09	mcuelenaere	http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=19880
21:54:19	bluebrother	ah right −− was mixing it up with the uda :o
21:54:20	casainho	Bagder: thanks!! I will look at that examples, I am working now on audio drivers
21:54:23	domonoky1	casainho: start with adding #define HAVE_TLV320 to your config-target.h and follow compiler errors and existing examples :-)
21:54:32	Bagder	it's a bit inconsistent of us to not define the codec the same way we define things like cpu or rtc
21:54:58	Bagder	CODEC_TLV320 would make a lot of sense to me
21:55:42	kugel	mcuelenaere: the font.h fix looks weird
21:55:53	mcuelenaere	yeah, it isn't really a 'fix'
21:55:56	mcuelenaere	more of a workaround
21:56:06	casainho	I don't have that codec IC attached right now... I would like to be able to build the firmware, for booltoader load it
21:57:04	casainho	if I do the driveirs for audio, buttons, LCD and SD Card, what should I need to do more to have a working firmware? (even If I don't have buttons nor audio codedc IC)
21:57:17	*	kugel doesn't get why a simple enum is so errornous
21:57:31	mcuelenaere	neither does /me
21:58:03	mcuelenaere	casainho: if you just want to 'test' the firmware, you can use stubs
21:58:51	casainho	yes, I just want to test it - I do not want to write drivers for hardware that I don't have yet
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21:59:17	kugel	use stubs
21:59:22	casainho	well, so I will look for that audio drivers files anyway and try to figure out what stubs I should make
21:59:41	casainho	:-)
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22:00:31	mcuelenaere	yellow :/
22:01:17	casainho	on audio-m5.c I just see the audio_set_output_source() and the audio_input_mux(), are just that 2 ones that I need to make as subs?
22:01:22	casainho	stubs?
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22:03:50	domonoky1	and the i2c/i2s transfer functions
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22:05:00	jhMikeS	casainho: pcm.c in firmare is the overall common layer for pcm. pcm-<target>.c provides the hardware interface.
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22:09:13	casainho	domonoky1: thanks.
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22:10:08	casainho	jhMikeS: so, I can look at files pcm-<target>.c and find there the functions I need to make as stubs? or there is any other file also?
22:11:00	jhMikeS	casainho: no, the only dependency is recording or not. there's also some comments in pcm.c about it.
22:12:21	casainho	jhMikeS: sorry but I didn't understand - you ansered "no" to waht question? what do you eally mean? −− sorry for my bad englsh language
22:13:09	domonoky1	no other files needed. transfer functions and input/audio switching is all that is needed for sound.
22:14:06	casainho	so, I just need to work the pcm-<target>.c file?
22:14:31	bertrik	casainho, you can be lazy and just put all stubs in a single .c file
22:15:00	domonoky1	its, audio-<target>.c, pcm-<target>.c and i2c-target.c and maybe i2s-target.c
22:15:21	casainho	domonoky1: ah, okok - clear for me now :-)
22:15:26	jhMikeS	pretty much. pcm-<target>.c has to call some audiohw functions. pcm-meg-fx.c is about as simple a pcm driver as you get if you're curious.
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23:21:44	mcuelenaere	Bagder: I was wondering, would it be possible to add checkwps to the automatic build system? that way, it won't break that often
23:22:00	Bagder	we really should, yes
23:22:15	Bagder	I'm not sure how that's best done
23:22:45	kugel	checkwps builds quickly, just let 1 client do ./build-all.sh, instead of a build (given that's possible=
23:22:52	kugel	)
23:23:02	mcuelenaere	you could do parallel building if you want (buildall.sh runs one Makefile over and over with a different target)
23:23:14	mcuelenaere	but I don't think it is really needed
23:23:21	mcuelenaere	as kugel said, checkwps builds very quick
23:23:33	Bagder	yes, but we have an established concept
23:23:56	Bagder	and a new tool to build automatically doesn't fit very well
23:24:19	mcuelenaere	hmm so what happens now? rbclient logs in to every server, does 'svn up;tools/configure;make -jX'?
23:24:26	Bagder	I'll give it some thoughts and see what I can do
23:24:33	kugel	well, I suppose checkwps doesn't really need to use the distributed building
23:24:40	Bagder	mcuelenaere: basically, yes
23:24:44	kugel	could be hardcoded to the main build server (if there is one)
23:25:03	Bagder	yes it could
23:25:10	Bagder	but that's less efficient
23:25:15	rasher	Presentation should be "simple" - just show one column that turns yellow/red if any of the builds fail
23:25:34	rasher	Rather than doubling the amount of columns
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23:26:02	Bagder	I'm more thinking of making a special "target" that would be a set of tools
23:26:11	kugel	well, I imagine it would also be possible to build checkwps via configure, e.g. under advanced
23:26:15	rasher	Maybe it's smartest to move checkwps as a specific build type?
23:26:32	Bagder	yes, that would work smoothly with the system
23:26:40	n1s	Bagder: any reason to not rotate the build table? it's gettign annoyingly wide ;)
23:26:50	kugel	but it shouldn't take 1 row for each checkwps target
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23:27:01	Bagder	yes, rotating it makes the naming of the columns a lot more work
23:27:11	Bagder	and I once tried and it really didn't look very good
23:27:48	rasher	Maybe there could be an extratools option or something, that would also build the dbtool?
23:27:59	kugel	that would be neat
23:28:08	Bagder	yes, it would make sense to have that build all the special tools
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23:29:41	n1s	can't css or something draw text vertically? (i really have no idea but it would seem reasonable) and the current table is hardly ideal either...
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23:29:54	Bagder	no it can't
23:30:31	Bagder	rotating the table just makes you have to scroll vertically instead of horizontally
23:30:40	kugel	even rockbox can't, how could css ever do that? :P
23:30:47	kugel	(oh, rockbox can!)
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23:30:57	n1s	maybe the info can be presented in a different way, like a single column per target wich contained logs and warnings/errors from that targets' 3 builds?
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23:31:18	pixelma	what about still target=columns but 3 rows per each commit - bootloader/target/sim?
23:31:26	Bagder	yeah, we've also discussed three rows
23:31:49	rasher	That makes the chronology harder to follow
23:31:53	*	kugel suggests something 3 dimensional
23:32:39	pixelma	ors wide enough monitors for everyone ;)
23:32:46	pixelma	*or
23:33:19	n1s	pixelma: adding more targets would get expensive quickly then
23:33:51	*	rasher doesn't really think the wide table is a huge problem
23:34:00	Zagor	css3 will support vertical text
23:34:06	rasher	And I say this with a 1024x768 screen.
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23:34:21	n1s	rasher: not huge at all just an annoyance imo
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23:35:15	n1s	i think i's the fact that you have to scroll both vertically and horizontally that bothers me on that table page
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