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#rockbox log for 2009-02-01

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00:21:27kugelsaratoga: hm, no problems here
00:21:51kugelthe problems I have with usb seem to be related to either linux, or the extension cable I use (my front usb ports don't work)
00:22:13kugelit works good on my (gnome) laptop
00:23:32saratogakugel: odd, mine were reproducible easily with multiple PCs and cables
00:25:39kugelsaratoga: what would be the easiest way to verify working usb?
00:26:18kugelI believe copying my windows 7 beta image wasn't representive at all (1 big file, instead of many small ones
00:27:31saratogakugel: I guess just copy a lot of data and then md5 it
00:27:32kugelso, say I sync my sansa with my music collection, how would I compare them?
00:27:46kugelmd5sum doesn't seem to work on folders
00:28:05kugel(I used md5 for the windows 7 beta image)
00:28:18saratogai'm not sure what the best way is then
00:28:34saratogai guess some sort of recursive md5 program must exist
00:28:53saratogaincidently, I don't understand why charger detection works fine in rockbox but not the bootloader
00:29:05saratogafor the sansa e200v1
00:29:14gevaertskugel: what exactly do you mean by "verify working usb"?
00:29:45kugelgevaerts: well, make sure no 2byte-inserted occured
00:30:06gevaertskugel: that has *nothing* to do with usb...
00:30:15kugelI'm trying the proposed changes from 8663
00:30:34kugelah right, sorry I confused it
00:33:01saratogai guess if you just need to check for disk corruption, copying a large file a few times between the SD card and internal memory would be a good way to do it
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00:33:16saratogathough testing that USB doesn't expose any other timing issues with the sd driver isn't a bad idea
00:33:26saratogathat whole driver seems like a house of cards to me
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00:37:29kugelsaratoga: built with black magic, indeed :)
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00:38:51saratogajhMikeS: [for the logs] what is the reason for using different methods to detect USB and chargers in the e200v1 for the main and bootloader builds?
00:39:01kugelsaratoga: this Toni has commit access right?
00:39:11saratogakugel: yes I believe so
00:39:21*gevaerts points kugel to COMMITTERS :)
00:39:47saratogait seems like the main build works correctly [detects a charger and begins charging] but the bootloader does not [boots into the OF if plugged into a charger]
00:39:47kugelgevaerts: I'm aware of that file (still!) :)
00:40:03saratogai thought he didn't and ended up commiting one of his patches the other day
00:40:45kugelgevaerts: 3MB/s, is that good or bad for a sansa?
00:41:24kugelno reset so far after 1GB
00:41:41gevaertsThat means you're lucky. Resets are random things
00:41:54gevaertskugel: it's been a while since I've looked at speed, but IIRC there's a wiki page listing some
00:42:02linuxstbsaratoga: IIUC, the full USB detection requires the USB stack, which requires interrupts. PP bootloaders don't have interrupts enabled - not impossible, but work no-one has done.
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00:43:11kugelJdGordon: morning. I've run your patch a little
00:43:17kugelit's not more bugged than svn, it seems
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00:50:48kugelgevaerts: hm, comparing filesizes seems to fail. the folder on my sansa is actually less big than the one on my pc
00:51:08kugelI'm running diff -rua on both now, it hasn't found differences yet
00:52:29jhMikeSsaratoga: There's no inherent dependency on detection methods built into the API between USB and charger. For USB in the bootloader, it's not setup to use interrupts and so the driver cannot be started (unless we changed something and I missed it).
00:52:45*gevaerts still recomends md5sum
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00:53:51kugelgevaerts: how to md5sum folders?
00:54:11kugeldiff -rua didn't give any output
00:54:25gevaertskugel: run "(find . -type f -print0|xargs -0 md5sum) > /tmp/sums" from within the original directory (on the PC side), and then "md5sum -c /tmp/sums" from the destination directory
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00:55:13saratogajhMikeS: thanks for the clarification
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01:03:18kugelnice, every file is "Ok" :)
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01:15:05bertrikI see Marc Guay closed quite a few FS entries with closing reason "invalid" and no further explanation. I would like to see at least an actual reason or explanation for closing.
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01:21:47linuxstbbertrik: Were they all feature requests?
01:21:48saratogabertrik: i think he was just closing old feature requests?
01:21:55saratogatoo slow
01:23:47linuxstbbertrik: But I agree, that reasons should always be given - the original poster of those requests is unlikely to know the current context.
01:24:24bertrikindeed, the ones I've seen closed were all feature requests
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01:36:24kugelmicrosd to internal -> all fine
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02:13:38kugelinternal -> microsd with music playing (i.e. changing cpu clocks) -> all fine \o/
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02:30:11rasherkugel: and the other way with music playing?
02:34:04kugelrasher: hm, let me test
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02:57:31kugelrasher: fine
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02:59:40kugelnow copying back with music
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03:01:31kugelif that's committed, I'll wipe the stupid of forever
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03:18:04kugelwow, that's so great
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03:33:33Hdaackdais there any way I can flash my ipod's logic board (80gb video)
03:34:04saratogai don't think so
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03:38:14Unhelpfulwho was it who had trouble with RB on beast? i remember Davide-NYC was one of the people with trouble... there was somebody in here yesterday who kept getting the restore screen on boot, until he tried a dual-boot rb bootloader.
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04:37:56jhMikeSUnhelpful: Yes, he was one. Unfortunately (fortunately?) mine never had this issue or else I could test a few things (like if some revision of the flash doesn't accept files under a certain size, etc.)
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05:09:00LegomaniacHey does anyone here have experience with the sansa and recovery mode?
05:09:50saratogaLegomaniac: a little
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05:22:33LegomaniacHey does anyone here have experience with the sansa and recovery mode?
05:23:02tmztsaratoga answered
05:23:14LegomaniacI know and he left :(
05:23:18LegomaniacI was in the bathroom
05:24:01Legomaniacso the inquiry still stands
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05:33:43JdGordonLegomaniac: do you actually have a question?
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05:43:15Legomaniacsorry, I am browsing forums at the moment as well
05:43:44LegomaniacI am having an issue with my sansa e260R being stuck in recovery mode
05:44:09Legomaniacand I am trying to follow a fix for it, but I can't find the hidden partition dump file I need
05:44:25Legomaniacmethod is here:
05:44:32JdGordonfirst, why did you put it in recovery mode?
05:45:01Legomaniacbecause it wont boot into the original firmware or rockbox
05:45:29Legomaniacand I have followed all of the suggestions in the unbrick guide on the rockbox site
05:45:49Legomaniacand the thread I linked to at abi is exactly what I need to fix the issue
05:46:08JdGordonthats manufacturer mode.... not recovery mode
05:46:09Legomaniacand one person in a different thread said they got the process to work on their e260R
05:46:37Legomaniacbut only because they had a healthy one to grab the hidden partition dump file they needed off of
05:47:26Legomaniacright, I guess saying I am stuck in recovery mode wouldn't be that accurate
05:47:33Legomaniaci'm just stuck with no firmware
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05:55:10akahhannahJdGordon: I'm trying to patch recent builds with FS #9477 view mode tag but it fails, is there a way to make it work...different than modifying the patch?
05:55:30JdGordonprobably not... that patch was abandoned
05:55:51Legomaniacthat patch?
05:57:18Legomaniacfrom everything people have said in that thread ( ) the process should fix my player, I just need the hidden partition dump file
05:57:22Legomaniacwhich I can't find anywhere
05:57:58Legomaniacoh, I should have read the line above
05:58:16Legomaniachaha, what a dumbass I am
06:00:01akahhannahJdGoron: I guess I can understand why, but still sorry that new cool WPS features have been dropped
06:00:03JdGordonLegomaniac: I've recovered my semi-broicked e200 once before, but havent done it with a e200r and dont want to make things worse for you so i cant help...
06:01:23LegomaniacJdGordon: I was just hoping perhaps you knew where I could find the files I needed, because once I get them the process is explained in quite detail
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11:23:14fmlHello. Am I right that now it's possible to use two fonts in one WPS: the system font and the user selected font?
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11:24:08pixelmayes, already for a while
11:26:21fmlpixelma: ok. The next question then: is it possible to use the "natural height" of lines to vertically stack them? I.e. I have a line using the UI font and I want to have the next line in the system font just under the previous line. Without using fixed coordinates because I don't know the size of the UI font.
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11:28:47JdGordonthere was a patch which did this (sort of) but was rejected for some reason
11:28:56JdGordonyou have to use viewports for that
11:29:42fmlBut they have fixed coords, right? I can't say "place the next vp right under the previous one".
11:29:54pixelmanot that I know of. Well you have to use viewport definitions anyway with either 1 (for user font) or 0 (system font) so the space for the first user font part in your case is limited
11:32:03fmlWhat I want to achieve is the following. I have a text only WPS. It displays the current and the next song. Above the next song, I want to place the text "Next:" using the (small) system font. But otherwise the WPS can be used with many fonts hence I wouldn't like to place fixed (x,y) there
11:36:38pixelmathat's not possible currently afaics
11:43:00fmlpixelma: ok
11:43:12fmlJdGordon: how's the status bar patch doing?
11:57:02pixelmaweird. I have a folder on my 8GB microSD where I consistently get a data abort when I start playing by selecting the first track (it fails when buffering finishes), but when I start by selecting the second track and the skip back to track one, I don't get this data abort. Comparing the file to the master on my HD shows nothing and a file system check of the microSD neither
11:57:49pixelmadoes someone have an idea what I could check for?
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12:07:10JdGordonfml: its finished and working... except it uses a bit of magic numbers which I'd like to turn into #defins before commiting
12:09:56JdGordonfml: and yeah... what you want is not something which is likely to ever happen I could in theory be done, but needs a pretty big effort and its not really needed
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12:16:09JdGordonpixelma: wanna test this statusbar out quickly to make sure i havnt mangeled it?
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12:21:54*JdGordon hopes these comments are understandable....
12:23:03JdGordonsomething for Mr. Someone.... fix rockbox and doom (And some other plugins) to not recompile all their files if only a plugin.h dependancy is changed
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12:28:57Jaykaygevaerts said some time ago in the community channel that there is a file where i can choose which parts of rockbox should be compiled
12:29:03Jaykay(or something similar)
12:29:15Jaykayi forgot where this file is and how its named...
12:29:19Jaykaycan anybody help me?
12:29:24bertrikfirmware/SOURCES probably
12:29:40bertrikdepending on what you mean exactly
12:30:39bertrikYou can probably also disable features in the firmware/export/config-<target>.h file by disabling #defines
12:30:49Jaykaywe were discussing about ram usage... and he said that many things which are compiled need ram, even if i dont use these parts
12:30:58Jaykayso i asked for a way to disable them
12:31:04Jaykay(the unneded parts)
12:33:45Jaykaybertrik: how do i disable the defines? should i delete or comment out the lines?
12:34:11bertrikJaykay, just comment them out, it doesn't really matter
12:34:40Jaykaywhat is lcd flip and tagcache?
12:35:58bertriklcd flip allows you to flip the display vertically, tagcache is the database and is a big saver if you disable it
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12:37:01JdGordonpixelma: is the statusbar only forced on in the rec screen on targets with the radio?
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12:38:24fmlJdGordon: I'd also force it in the FM screen since it's also not customizable
12:39:06JdGordonthats done currently
12:39:13fmlJdGordon: would you put up the status bar patch so we can inspect it?
12:40:03Jaykaya last question: what is pitchscreen?
12:40:25JdGordonfml: just commited it
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12:42:03Jaykaysorry a second last question: is it possible to disablevoice (so that it doesnt get compiled)
12:44:19bertrikJaykay, pitchscreen allows you to change pitch (probably very nicely described in the manual) and is not essential functionality, I don't know how to disable voice
12:44:50Jaykaysorry and thanks...
12:46:05JdGordonpixelma: ah, woops... forgot to mention that most plugins should have the statusbar in the menus again
12:48:30fmlJdGordon: shouldn't viewport.c use the macro instead of (1<<(screen+4))? Also, in debug_menu.c, you use 0 as a parameter. I'd introduce a constant with an understandable name for that.
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12:49:12JdGordonyes, and well, 0 is good enough :p
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12:49:14JdGordonbut yeah, probably
12:50:25fmlJdGordon: IMHO the function viewportmanager_draw_statusbars needs more comments about what the data params means (or could be used for)
12:53:02*JdGordon looks forward to a patch :p
12:53:34fmlNothing to look forward to
12:55:49fmlJdGordon: does viewportmanager_set_statusbar(0) mean "just respect the global settings"?
12:56:07JdGordonno, that means dont show it on any screens
12:58:28JdGordonthe rec screen drawing code is a mess :(
12:58:35fmlJdGordon: then I don't get why this is used (0 as the param). SHouldn't the setting be always respected?
12:59:08fmland overwritten in some cases?
12:59:46JdGordonsome screens arnt set up to handle the automatic sb drawing so it has to be disabled
12:59:53JdGordoni.e plugins and debug menus
13:01:10fmlJdGordon: ah... But please make it a #define, e.g. NO_SCREEN or such
13:01:47JdGordoncare to do the patch for me? i'm busy in the rec screen now
13:02:54fmlJdGordon: please reopen the task, I'd like to aatach it there
13:03:27JdGordonjust stick it on pastebin, or dcc/email it to me
13:11:22fmlJdGordon: SB_ONSCREEN without IGNORE means "do what the global setting says for that screen"?
13:11:47JdGordonif you have better names for these defines I'm open to suggestions
13:14:13amiconnJdGordon: Do you have an idea why the statusbar fixes cause so much more binsize increase on SH than on other targets?
13:14:25amiconnEspecially the increase for the Player is weird
13:15:17JdGordonno, but ill check it out in a bit...
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13:15:24amiconnAlso, speaking about glitches, "Follow Playlist" still doesn't work right on hwcodec. It works when browsing while playing, but not at end-of-playlist. Swcodec is ok
13:15:26JdGordoni did notice that and thought it was odd
13:15:53JdGordonamiconn: was that a general glitch notice or directed at me?
13:16:48fmlJdGordon: does your patch correctly handle the %wd tag? I.e. I suspect that it can enforce displaying the SB but not hiding (haven't checked)
13:17:18JdGordonit should...
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13:17:37JdGordonI may have forgotten to test it explicitly though.. but it should work
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13:20:00JdGordonamiconn: could it have something to do with fiddling with individual bits in a char instead of an int?
13:20:10amiconnJdGordon: Iirc you did something regarding "Follow Playlist" recently
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13:20:47JdGordonwell i wont have access to hwcodec for another 23 days...
13:21:00JdGordonassuming my recorder actually gets to lostlogic :)
13:21:35amiconnDefine "it"
13:22:21Jaykayi suggest committing of the fix in and closing this task...
13:22:24JdGordonthe sh/cf bin increase
13:22:33Jaykayits a little fix for a little bug in text_editor
13:22:38JdGordonarm was hardly touched
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13:36:47JdGordonis there some broken logic in recorder.c around line 1103?
13:36:59JdGordonthat whole if/else block seems wrong
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13:38:07JdGordona screen with <4 lines uses compact mode, or a screen with >6 uses compact mode?
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13:40:18JdGordonsorry, i misread the logic... screens with 4 or 5 lines use compact... everything else doesnt
13:40:23JdGordonstill doesnt make sense
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13:43:59amiconnlinuxstb: What's the lcd colour of the logikdax?
13:45:25Jaykaydoes anyone want to commit the fix in
13:48:22pixelmaJdGordon: something to do with whether triggered recording is enabled or not? Just guessing though and still don't like the 2 line peakmeters on an Archos screen
13:49:04UnhelpfuljhMikeS: well, if we know that dual-boot at least will still work, i can think about updating mine. it would be nice to be able to figure this one out, since it's probably in the way of supported status...
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13:50:59linuxstbamiconn: It's been so long since I used it, but I think it's black on blue.
13:51:40amiconnCare to find some suitable colours for the sim? (and screenshot as well, as that's what I'm working on atm)
13:52:15BigBambiIt is black on light blue/grey, the backlight is bright blue IIRC
13:52:35linuxstbI'm not at home at the moment, so can't do anything today. I could probably help tomorrow night though.
13:53:15BigBambiamiconn: I could have a look if you like - what do you need? Just colour codes?
13:53:30amiconnR, G, B values, with and without backlight
13:54:04amiconnI think we should just assume that pixel set means completely black (we do this on all positive display mono and greyscale targets so far)
13:55:05BigBambiamiconn: With backlight off it is the ame as the H100
13:55:33BigBambiThe baclight is a bit darker blue than the H100, I'll just look up a suitable colour for that
13:56:05amiconnMaybe like iaudio remote?
13:56:22BigBambiOK, I'll check that
14:00:55fmlJdGordon: as I supposed, %wd is not handled properly if the SB setting is set to ON
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14:02:18*JdGordon doesnt belive you :D
14:02:46JdGordonwpsbars doesnt get touched if the %wd tag is there...
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14:02:54JdGordonso 0 will get passed to the vpm
14:03:07kadobandoes anyone know if the colors are inverted in the mrobe:100 simulator, or if it actually looks like that on the real thing? It seems to be the opposite of the other LCD_DEPTH == 1 sims
14:04:03BigBambikadoban: That's a piccy
14:05:19kadobanBigBambi: I wasn't sure if that was taken with the simulator or something :) (the screen part at least)
14:05:39BigBambikadoban: I think it is really like that :)
14:05:55kadobanBigBambi: okay, thanks
14:06:21fmlJdGordon: try and see
14:07:21JdGordon:) I'm right... the bar probably doesnt get updated yeah?
14:07:34JdGordonbooboo in the viewport_Set_defaults()... ill commit that quickly
14:08:52*JdGordon goes back to trying to get his head around the rec screen drawing code
14:09:30bertrikI think petur was the last one to do major work on the rec screen
14:09:46BigBambiamiconn: Do you have to hand what colour the H100 uses?
14:10:41amiconn173, 216, 230
14:10:44pixelmakadoban: yes, the m:robe100 has a kind of "inverted" display, red on black
14:11:47kadobanpixelma: ah, thanks for the confirmation
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14:13:53fmlJdGordon: hrm... the fix doesn't seem to help much...
14:14:01BigBambiamiconn: yep, the iriver/iaudio remotes look good
14:14:21JdGordonfml: grrrr.... you sure?
14:14:32Jaykayis it normal that diasabling some things in config-e200.h causes warnings and errors while compiling?
14:15:18JdGordonfml: its working here...
14:15:37kadobanJaykay: why are you doing that anyway? is there some benefit you're hoping to get by removing features?
14:15:44amiconnBigBambi: thanks
14:15:55fmlJdGordon: let me back out my changes and check
14:16:19Jaykaykadoban: i think there is a reson why this file exists.... and why shouldnt i? i want to make tests with it...
14:16:39Jaykayanyway, that was not the question
14:16:55kadobanJaykay: relax...curiosity is a valid reason, i was just asking
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14:17:20Jaykayok, sorry...
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14:20:13fmlJdGordon: checked on H120 sim. It doesn't work.
14:21:26JdGordonshow me your .cfg
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14:23:03fmlJdGordon: nothing special. status bar=ON, %wd in the .wps
14:23:08JdGordonsometyhing is TOTALY FUCKED! *something* is magically setting the viewport to NULL between a set_viewport() call and my dump line... but there is nothing between them :(
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14:24:05Jaykaycan anybody answer my question? whether its normal that disabling something in config-e200.h causes warnings and errors while compiling...
14:24:11JdGordonfml: which theme?
14:24:17kugelJaykay: no..
14:24:29kugeloh, you disabled something
14:24:38kugelwell, that it's possible, yes
14:25:15fmlJdGordon: no theme. The WPS from the bug report. But now I changed %we to %wd
14:25:16Jaykaybut... why is it possible to disable something when disabling is not working anyway?
14:25:45JdGordonfml: and its disblaed on both displays? or only one?
14:26:25kugelJaykay: because noone has cared enough to keep the disabled version working? what are you talking about anyway?
14:27:02kadobanJaykay: the feature defines in those files mostly exist to make it easier to add new targets. i imagine that nobody has tested what you're testing, so somewhere there is a dependency on the target-type which should really be a dependency on the feature you're disabling.
14:27:09kugelyou should also do a make clean when you edited that file
14:27:26Jaykayi did make clean before every compiling
14:27:35kugelso, what's the error?
14:28:19fmlJdGordon: ARGH::!!!&%$! I played the .Rwps file, not the WPS! Now everything is fine!
14:28:37Jaykayvarious... about 4 for each not working disabling... sometimes plus some warnings
14:29:01Jaykayshould i write some errors?
14:29:14kugelno, we like guessing
14:29:24Jaykayok, do so
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14:31:23kugelJdGordon: what's that screen+4 about?
14:31:42JdGordonbitwise nastiness...
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14:32:45kugelif that bits are set, it indicates that drawing is forced or something?
14:34:19Jaykaykugel: "..firmware/libfirmware.a(button-e200.o) : in function clickwheel_int: button-e200.c : (.text+0x438) undefined reference to buttonlight_on
14:34:35fmlJdGordon: my patch:
14:34:55Jaykaykugel: when disabling buttonlight... and something like "returned 1 exit status" and error 1
14:35:06Jaykayah and two warnings, in the same file
14:35:47kugelseems like buttonlight_on isn't covered with #ifdef HAVE_BUTTONLIGHT
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14:36:44JdGordonfml: looks ok, but why did you change everything to int?
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14:38:38fmlJdGordon: updated patch. IMHO int is better suited for bitwise ops.
14:38:46Jaykaykugel: indeed.... and now?
14:39:15kugelnow? I'm going to have a cigarette
14:39:38kadobanJaykay: you'd have to go through and fix up the ifdefing if you really want to disable things like that
14:39:57Jaykayk... i guess its not worth fixing it?
14:40:10kugelJaykay: depends. is it a bug?
14:40:25Jaykayi dont know... who is the developer here?
14:40:42kugeltoo many #ifdefs make the code less readable. disabling that buttonlight is not going to happen in svn anyway, so why make the code less readable?
14:41:26QuintasanHi there, Dont know if this was asked before but I have problems with connecting Sansa e250 with Rockbox 3.0 installed. I'm using Ubuntu 8.10. dmesg: lsusb says the sansa is plugged in but I cant mount it.
14:42:02kugelthose defines are mainly to keep target-independent code really target-independent. the e200's button drriver is not target-independent at all anyway
14:42:34Jaykaykugel: btw are you still working on the fuze?
14:43:04fmlJdGordon: will you commit the patch? Otherwise it will vanish after X days.
14:43:14JdGordonjust commited
14:44:33kugelJaykay: sure, as soon as I get some sudden inspiration, or an answer from kkurbjun regarding the mmu setup
14:46:23BigBambiQuintasan: Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode yet for the Sansa - it should reboot to the Sansa firmware when you plug in, unless you hold a button to force it to charge
14:46:54BigBambiYou can always do this manually of course - another option would be to upgrade to the current build and se if the problem persists
14:48:08QuintasanBigBambi: Yeah, It does the reboot part. It rebuild the database, then I need to unplug and plug back the cable becuase it doesnt knows there is a cable after database refresh and says Connected for several seconds the it says Disconnected etc.
14:48:24BigBambiThat is the Sansa OF doing that
14:48:42BigBambiNot much we can do about it
14:50:05QuintasanSo how can I update rockbox?
14:50:29BigBambirbutil is the easiest way, or you can just unzip a new build to the root of your Sansa
14:50:42QuintasanBigBambi: thats the problem
14:50:53BigBambiwhat is?
14:51:01QuintasanI cant mount it. How I'm supposed to copy files without mounting the player?
14:51:13BigBambiOh, I see
14:51:30BigBambiI'd boot it to the Sansa firmware not plugged in, then plug it in and see what happens
14:51:43QuintasanCheck out my dmesg :P
14:51:54QuintasanI'll give it a shot
14:52:29BigBambiQuintasan: Oh
14:52:36BigBambiQuintasan: I didn't look at that before
14:52:42BigBambiQuintasan: Doesn't look brilliant
14:52:51QuintasanWow, I like the AmaroK theme
14:52:55Quintasanlol it worked
14:52:55BigBambiPerhaps try another cable - it is sometimes that
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14:53:47QuintasanI had two cables one from sansa e250 and from c200 which I broke. Maybe the cable was screwed up
14:54:37fmlHe-he, build stuck
14:55:15fmlOh, complete now
14:55:57Quintasanhmm rbutil says newest is 3.0, I guess I just unpack it :P
14:56:09BigBambior get new rbutil
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14:56:31BigBambibut if you are capable of one line in the terminal then unzipping is nlt hard :)
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14:56:42Jaykayagain i suggest commiting of the fix in a fix for a little bug in text_editor
14:57:38QuintasanBigBambi: the x64 build is outdated
14:58:22BigBambiQuintasan: You could build it yourself, but unzipping would seem easier
14:59:24QuintasanBigBambi: If I build it I can send binary to someone? The x86 works fine for me :D
14:59:41BigBambiIf you build it statically etc
14:59:54BigBambiThen yeah, I'm sure that would be appreciated
15:00:05BigBambiI think there are instructions on the wiki for static building
15:00:17BigBambiAlso not that it'd want to be a tagged version in svn
15:00:31BigBambiBest to speak to bluebrother or domonoky about that
15:01:59JdGordonhmm... changing to int fixed up the cf delta a bit... didnt touch sh though
15:02:17QuintasanBigBambi: there is a ready command for static compiling ^^
15:02:25BigBambier, *note that it'd want to be tagged above
15:02:29kugelJdGordon: weird, isn't it? ;)
15:02:54JdGordonmore annoying than wierd :p
15:02:55kugelseems like cf is more int focused
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15:03:20kugelI think I noticed similar things when changing the pitchscreen to use int instead of short
15:03:34n1sJdGordon: it could be that it needs some support routine now iirc Unhelpful hit a similar thing with the scaler
15:04:01kugelalso, bit shifting seems to be rather expensive on sh
15:04:14n1ssomething about sh not having a variable shift instruction or something
15:04:32JdGordonim only doing constant shifts though
15:04:40kugeln1s: hm, I think that disappeared using unsigned, not sure though
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15:05:23n1sJdGordon: 1<<screen looks pretty variable to me
15:06:16n1sanyway it should be easy to spot if you compare map files
15:06:26JdGordonah, yeah... forgot about that :p
15:08:53kugelso, 1u << screen should already help, it seems
15:12:07n1scomparing maps shows that after your change viewport.o is linked to ___ashrsi3 for SH so, these shifts are indeed the cause
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15:18:28kugeln1s: tested if using 1u avoids that?
15:18:42n1skugel, no but i can
15:18:58JdGordonthis is all for the sake of like 100 bytes.....
15:19:34kugelworth it, if it's only 1 line to change imo
15:20:19n1syep, that fixed it dropped ~120bytes
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15:20:33n1sshould i commit?
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15:21:09JdGordonif you really want to
15:21:37kugelwhy not?
15:22:02kugelunless the sign is an issue, reclaiming binsize is always nice
15:22:57kugelJdGordon: didn't you have plans to kick hwcodec out? you don't need to worry then anymore :D
15:24:02kugelat least not about signed shifts :/
15:24:09JdGordonI certainly wont be upset if we ever do go that route... although I finally bought a archos rec so i might change my mind
15:25:17n1skugel: this has nothing to do with the actual hwcodec though, just the cpu, maybe we'll get other SH based targets in the future
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15:26:03kugeln1s: possibly, but I doubt it somehow
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15:30:02kugeln1s: you didn't commit yet, did you?
15:30:12n1si did
15:30:53n1seh 19899
15:31:50kugeln1s: you seem to hit enter as I asked you ;)
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15:47:13plas79kshows it going everyone
15:47:40kadobanplas79ks: pretty good, yourself?
15:47:58plas79ksnot too bad. had a question that i cant seem to find the answer on
15:48:11plas79kscan you install rockbox on a 120 gig ipod classic?
15:48:31n1sno, and the answer to that can be found easily on the frontpage
15:48:31kadobanplas79ks: unfortunately, no. only the players listed on the main page are supported
15:49:26plas79kskadoban, do you know if they plan on developing a build for the classic at all?
15:49:37plas79ksor is there something similar to rockbox that can be installed?
15:50:16kadobanplas79ks: there's about a million forum threads about that, but the short answer is that nobody is working on it as far as i know
15:50:28scorcheplas79ks: we dont make plans for new ports happen when people come forward with the capability, time, motivation, and the device itself to make a port
15:51:36plas79ksright on, well thanks for the help everyone
15:51:39plas79kshave a good day
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16:04:24scorcheGuest65378: hi...this is an english channel...
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16:15:03EufouriaI'm looking for some help related to an ipod project
16:15:44scorchewell, this channel is for rockbox topics only, so if it isnt rockbox related, it probably belongs somewhere else...
16:15:47Jaykayeufoiria: if its also related to rockbox, just ask
16:16:07EufouriaI was wondering if it would be possible to flash a version of rockbox directly onto the ipod mainboard
16:16:20scorchewhy would you want to?
16:16:38Eufouriaso that i wouldnt need a hard drive, it's complicated
16:16:55scorcheyou would still need a hard drive or something else..
16:17:07Jaykaywithout a hard drive you could hardly hear music
16:17:29Eufouriatruthfully I'm building an ipod that will store my weed
16:17:38scorcheyeah, no
16:17:50scorcheyou will still need a storage medium
16:18:01Eufouriawhat about the apple bootloader
16:18:24kadobanwhat about it?
16:18:32Eufouriacould that be overwritten?
16:19:00Eufouriaperhaps a very simple screen lock program that once the correct code was entered would initiate the hard drive?
16:19:14EufouriaI'm planning on using the spindle motor as the locking mechanism
16:19:37scorchethis doesnt belong in #rockbox anymore...there are other places you can take this...
16:19:55scorchethat will work
16:20:02Eufouriaalright thanks
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16:57:45Jaykayanother try: i suggest committing of the fix in its a fix for a sall bug in text_editor
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17:02:43bertrikok, the gigabeat s does appear to be the only rockbox target with an FM tuner that supports RDS
17:08:42Unhelpfuln1s: the problem was that a couple of the sh targets used the signed right shift routine elsewhere, and the scaler merge removed it from the bitmap loader. this resulted in a much larger apparent binsize gain in the the targets that retained the signed right shift. amicann figured out how to get rid of it, i believe.
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17:10:19n1sUnhelpful: ah, right. that signed right shift thing got back in with JdGordon's commit but i found amiconn's fix and applied it again
17:10:27n1s(in a different place)
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17:11:19Unhelpfulanother 1 << n where it was right-shifting the rest of the expression instead?
17:13:26n1syeah, this is the change so it must be that;r2=19899;pathrev=19899
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17:21:52BigBambibertrik: Has it been confirmed on an S that it is present/works?
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17:22:47bertrikBigBambi, no, but the chip/device id registers indicates that it has an si4701 chip, which supports RDS
17:23:24bertrikI think it should be easy to enable RDS on the si4701 (it's disabled by default) and see if any RDS data comes in
17:23:47bertrikthen later we can start trying to decode the data and do something useful with it
17:23:58BigBambiyeah, one step at a time :)
17:24:21BigBambiwell, I'm not much good at anything but guinea pigging, so if needed let me kow :)
17:25:10bertrikThe beast OF doesn't do anything with it, right?
17:25:38BigBambiDon't think so, but the beast OF is long since gone so I can't check :)
17:25:52BigBambiI certainly don't remember it doing anything
17:26:00bertrikBigBambi, are you ready for a little test right now?
17:26:38bertrikok, I'll make a simple proof-of-concept patch to see if any RDS data comes in at all
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17:26:54BigBambiOk, cool
17:29:38bertrikBigBambi, can you apply this patch: then go to the radio screen, pick a strong station that has RDS and go to the radio debug screen ?
17:29:39pixelmaI thought n1s already tried? Could be remembering wrong though...
17:30:18bertrikthe numbers in the bottom of the radio debug screen should have varying data
17:30:24BigBambibertrik: will do (I have to find a list of radio stations with RDS first - I'm assuming it is used in France)
17:31:05bertrikpixelma, I know nothing of any beast RDS experiment done yet
17:33:05BigBambibertrik: I get "patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line " - I assume I can ignore that?
17:35:38bertrikhmm, weird, it patched fine here. It's just two lines, could you copy them over manually?
17:36:15n1sbertrik, pixelma: i never tried it but jhMikeS said he accidentally enabled it and got some data in those regs
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17:36:42BigBambibertrik: Yes, no problem
17:39:32BigBambibertrik: the last three on the bottom line are changing all the time, and the three before those more slowly
17:40:00BigBambiOnly when I have good reception too :)
17:40:26bertrikcan you take a few photos of it? I think we should be able to tell if that data makes any sense even from those 4 numbers
17:41:11BigBambibertrik; will try :)
17:41:17BigBambialso, I just found
17:41:40bertrikhaving changing data on the bottom line probably means that it works BTW ;)
17:42:11BigBambiawesome :)
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17:48:17bertrikRDS data comes in at 1187.5 bps, I don't know if/how the fm chip makes sure that the 4 words belong to one message if we read it out slower than that
17:49:13*BigBambi has no idea :)
17:49:43bertrikwe'll just have to find out, thanks for the screendumps, I'll have a look in half an hour or so
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17:50:10BigBambino probs - I'm going out in a bit but will be in and around as usual to play with stuff if needs be :)
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17:55:19*linuxstb googles and sees the Zune apparently supports RDS and shows song info when transmitted, but the S doesn't seem to
17:56:36BigBambiEven just station names would be incredibly good
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17:56:57BigBambiBut no, in my very brief play with the beast OF I don't remember them being there
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17:58:59linuxstbUnsurprisingly, it seems the Zune has the si4701 FM tuner as well
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18:19:53liiwigood evening
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19:02:55bertrikBigBambi, the RDS data makes sense :)
19:03:19bertriknext step is to code a crude RDS decoder in the debug screen I think
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19:22:03kadobani notice that in the virtual keyboard, there's a lot of space wasted on the bottom. instead of wrapping the input and using multiple lines, it just goes off the screen to the left or right. is there some setting that i'm missing to get it to use multiple lines? if not, is there any reason that this wouldn't be a good idea?
19:22:25FlynDiceanyone got a good way I can test the rec button for an e280v2?
19:25:16pixelmakadoban: which target are you on?
19:25:25kadobanpixelma: sorry, e200
19:26:47pixelmaI'm sorry too, didn't see the "input" in your statement
19:27:18kadobanah, i see
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19:28:28kugelFlynDice: if you keep it pressed you get into the recoding mode
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19:37:27FlynDicewill the v2 go into the recording mode?
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19:49:29kugelFlynDice: hm, probably not without recoding capabilities :/
19:49:48bertrikdoes simplelist_addline support "%8s" format (%s with a length specifier)?
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19:53:23kugelFlynDice: you can try keeping the rec button pressed during boot, so that settings are reset
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19:54:58bertrikBigBambi, around to test another patch?
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19:57:13bertrikanyone with a beast up for an RDS test?
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19:59:57kugelbertrik: do you plan to commit sansa ams radio soon?
20:00:37kugelmaybe I don't understand the problem enough, but why is it keeping the patch back?
20:02:02bertrikI think the patch is now pretty OK, but I need to check if it doesn't increase binsize for a few other targets
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20:12:01kugelbertrik: best way to check that is to ask the build table :)
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20:26:01BdN3504hey i have a cowon iaudio m3 beside me right now and have used the rbqutil to install RB 3.1 but the device doesn't load rb. instead it just boots into its native firmware.
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20:43:24bluebrotherBdN3504: have you checked if it put the firmware file in the correct location?
20:44:34bertrikUnhelpful, can you try this patch: then go to the radio, select a strong station that probably has RDS, then go to the radio screen and look at the debug info
20:45:08Unhelpfulhappy to now, i was attempting to search the backlog to see if you linked the patch
20:45:09bertrikradio screen -> radio debug screen
20:45:22Unhelpfulhow does one get to radio debug?
20:45:59bertriksystem / debug / fm radio
20:46:20BdN3504i don't know where the correct location is
20:47:10bluebrotherwell, have you checked where the firmware file gets saved?
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20:48:47Unhelpfulbertrik: isn't RDS the european system? or is this expected to work for... whatever it is we have in the US?
20:49:00*gevaerts will test
20:49:08BdN3504i am reading a helpful forum thread right now, i think i'll get it done
20:49:17bertrikoh, wasn't aware of that, US uses RDBS which should be mostly compatible
20:49:48bluebrotherwell, I'm quite interested if Rockbox Utility puts the file in the wrong location ...
20:50:23Unhelpfulwell, i'll try anyway :D
20:50:33bertrikRDBS -> RBDS
20:51:22bertrikhere's a nice article about the differences:
20:52:08BdN3504works, thanks for the help bluebrother
20:52:14*bluebrother can't see anything possibly wrong ...
20:52:27bluebrotherBdN3504: can you be a bit more specific? Did it work using Rockbox Utility?
20:52:40bluebrotheror any other method (and which?)
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20:58:17BdN3504yes it did work with rockbox utility, i just had to get the charger to make the firmware upgrade.
20:58:38bluebrotherok. Didn't Rockbox Utility display a note about the charger?
20:59:01BdN3504yes it did. i have a question now, though: how do i exit the quick screen on this target?
20:59:24bluebrothersorry, no idea about that. I was just wondering if you hit a bug in Rockbox Utility ;-)
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21:02:13gevaertsbertrik: I get data out of it that looks plausible
21:02:46bertrikgevaerts, you see valid ascii text?
21:03:45gevaertsbertrik: yes. It's a bit unstable (some characters change now and then), but my reception isn't very good
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21:05:25bertrikcool, RDS can send only 4 characters per frame and updates these in a larger text buffer. There's no error check yet in the debug code.
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21:09:53BdN3504erm i just looked at the wiki for the iaudio targets and there it says the power handling is only 10%. is this device really capable of running rockbox? i don't know how to charge the device. if i plug in the ac connecter, it automatically let's the device power up and boot rockbox.
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21:11:23BdN3504and if i turn the device off, while the ac charger is still plugged, the backlight won't turn off until i disconnect the charger
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21:20:29linuxrocksWhat is flawed about the memory on Sansa Fuz
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21:23:12gevaertslinuxrocks: what do you mean?
21:23:50Unhelpfulbertrik: at least one station so far is showing its name in PS and RT in debug
21:25:05Unhelpfulthis one appears to have artist title callsign in RT, and a scrolling version of that (by pushing updates) in PS
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21:25:19linuxrockson the status page for v2s it says that the fuzes internal and external storage is flawed
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21:26:40linuxrocksi want to try out rockbox on the fuze without harming it
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21:27:58scorchethe fuze port is not complete yet and is unsupported, so be warned...the port is mostly for developers only at the moment
21:28:16Unhelpfuldoes your patch (or printf itself?) substitute periods for unprintables?
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21:29:35Unhelpfulthis station shows "MIX 10.." in PS and "......67..........." in RT... and yes, it's 106.7
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21:39:02bertrikUnhelpful, it prints periods for characters that have not been received yet. It's a bit weird though that the PS (programme service) and RT (radio text).
21:39:41bertriksome frames cause the strings to be invalidated
21:39:56Unhelpfulit really seems it got split somehow... it works ok for other stations, many of them seem to scroll data in PS
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21:43:11bertrikthe RDS data comes in blocks of 4 x 16 bits, but I don't know how to tell if we get a complete consistent block or possibly a mix of bits from two different RDS frames
21:43:34bertrikso that may explain texts getting mixed up
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21:46:36bertrikUnhelpful, do you see anything meaningful in PTYN or ITEM? does PI have a stable value?
21:47:33Unhelpfulmake me look again, eh? ;)
21:50:23UnhelpfulPTYN is always empty, so far. ITEM has had some numbers, i have no idea what they're supposed to represent. PI is stable on channels where i'm getting good data for RT/PS... some have corruption in RT/PS, and PI keeps changing, possibly it's just bad reception?
21:51:01bertrikI think PI should a fixed unique number for a specific station
21:52:11bertrikthe ITEM code encodes for day-hour:minutes, not sure exactly of what (current time or start time of program)
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22:24:40WPSCoderi have a question concerning the "Showing other settings" %St tag: Can i display which files are shown in the browser? like %?St|show files|<All|Supported|Music|Playlists> ?
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22:29:32WPSCoderi just tried it and it works like i thought... %?St|show files|<All|Supported|Music|Playlists>
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22:47:52*pixelma hopes BdN3504 found the charging trick for the Iaudio M3 in the forums
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23:32:15Legomaniachey, does anyone know where I could get a hidden partition dump file for a sansa e260R?
23:34:28Bagderyou can convert it to a vanilla, do the dump and then convert it back! ;-)
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23:36:05Legomaniachow do I convert it to a vanilla?
23:36:49Bagderwell, that's not a journey I recommend without very very carefully considering first, and reading up on how these things work
23:37:13Bagderyou can convert it by flashing a "standard" bootloader to the sansa
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23:37:57Legomaniacwell, I have read a thread at the anything but ipod forums outlines the method I need to fix my issue
23:38:03Legomaniacbut I just need the file
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23:40:08Bagderah right, that also describes how to make such a fs dump with e200tool
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23:42:38Legomaniacbut the poster of the thread also said that he needed a healthy file to put onto his bricked sansa
23:42:44Legomaniac" You will need a hidden partition dump file to execute this step. For a e260v1 with 4GB memory, i used the one found here "
23:42:52Legomaniacand then gives a link
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23:43:17Legomaniacbut I don't think that linked file will work with my sansa because mine is an R series
23:44:11Legomaniacand someone who had an e260R said they got that process to work, but only because they had a healthy e260R to make the dump file from
23:44:48Bagderoh the hidden partition is indeed different between a vanilla and an R
23:45:06Bagderthe bootloader is stored there, and they are significantly different
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23:46:09Legomaniacgood, so it's probably a good thing I didn't try his method with that file
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23:46:41LegomaniacI just need to try his method with a dump file from another e2x0R
23:46:43Bagdere200tool would still be able to rescue you
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23:54:05Bagdermanufacture mode
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23:56:02Legomaniacand the turorial I found to unbrick my sansa uses manufacturer mode
23:56:34Legomaniacbut that still doesn't change the fact that I need the hidden partition dump file that he got off of daniel's website
23:56:54Legomaniacand I can't find one for an R series player
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23:57:50Bagderwell, dumping that fs is a very very unusual way to unbrick
23:57:58Bagderin fact I haven't even seen it before
23:58:16Legomaniacwell all the other unbrick methods have failed for me
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23:58:39Legomaniacand I have read someone with my same issue and my same player have that method work for them

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