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#rockbox log for 2009-02-05

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01:01:57kugelgood morning. I have a new custom vp version
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01:03:04JdGordonkugel: I just read a bit of the log that you readded the tick task?
01:09:06kugelyea, but I already removed it
01:09:28kugelapparently it's not allowed
01:10:28kugelit's not needed if the wps restores the backdrop properly (which it isn't doing currently). the dead parts I was having problems with was only the wps backdrop, none of the wps elemets (took me some minutes to figure that out)
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01:12:07kugelJdGordon: I noticed viewport_set_defaults doesn't set the drawmode, intention?
01:12:42kugelwhoops, it does
01:13:11kugeleh, my setting-to-viewport parser function doesn't I mean :P
01:13:14Qballnighty all
01:15:09kugelQball: night
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01:15:58DerPapstlo all
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01:18:02DerPapstJdGordon: in lamp.c there is a bug. if (!IS_SYSEVENT(button)) needs to be if (IS_SYSEVENT(button)).
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01:21:09JdGordonah yes, you told me about that ages ago i forgot to fix it...
01:21:18JdGordonthaks, ill do that soonish
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02:43:31kadobanon the mrobe:100 is the power "switch" actually a hard poweroff or can short presses of it be used for other things in plugins?
02:52:08kugelhaha, I was hunting a misspelled #ifdef for 1.5 hours
02:52:23kugelJdGordon: you may look at :)
02:52:56kadobanalso, can the "power" switch on the iaudio x5/m5 be used as a button? the description of it sounds scary
02:53:15JdGordonkugel: hhaahhaa
02:53:19JdGordonand thanks for the permission :p
02:54:02LambdaCalculus37kadoban: On the X5/M5, some of the plugins use power as a button.
02:54:16LambdaCalculus37But I can't check because my X5 isn't working right now.
02:54:43kugelJdGordon: no prob :p
02:54:46JdGordonkugel: btw... we need a better name than custom_cp :p
02:54:50kadobanLambdaCalculus37: okay, thanks.
02:54:57kugelsure, we can talk about names later
02:55:27*kugel was focussing on getting it working recently
02:56:08JdGordonyour still not there.... you need to replae set_statusbar() with your added stuff
02:56:25kugelI know that you want that
02:56:40JdGordonok, just making sure you havnt ignored/forgotten that :)
02:56:40kugelI would want that too, but I would consider this could be a seperate commit
02:56:57kugelmy patch surely doesn't aim to remake the whole statusbar thing once more
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03:05:23DerPapstnighty night :)
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05:36:21orsonjHave any of you experienced linux corrupting filesystems on fat32 flash drives?
05:36:49kadobanorsonj: are you unmounting the drive before removing it?
05:37:38orsonjI think so. I click the eject button, wait several seconds, then remove.
05:38:18kadobanorsonj: well, there shouldbe some indication that it's finished writing (on mine, it sometimes takes longer than i'd think), but that's generally right
05:41:49kadobanAnyway, as far as i know fat32 is quite well supported in linux. I've never had any problems.
05:41:58orsonjI experience problems before trying to eject/unmount
05:42:36kadobanorsonj: is this after repairing the filesystem? if the filesystem is already corrupted, you'll of course run into problems...
05:42:39orsonjI have a sansa c250 (it can format itself, handy for dealing with this situation)
05:43:26orsonjI copied a few files on it from vista, then verified it worked by playing them using the sansa firmware.
05:44:00orsonjI plugged it into ubuntu 8.10 and it doesn't list the files
05:44:32orsonjIf I copy files onto it using ubuntu, it corrupts the filesystem.
05:45:01kadobanorsonj: is this right after formatting the filesystem, or is the filesystem in an uncertain state at this time?
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05:45:17orsonjyep, right after doing a self format
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05:45:30kadobanthat's quite odd then...
05:46:16orsonjI'm not quite sure who to talk to about submitting a bug report. I'd guess linux kernel people, but can't say for sure.
05:46:31kadobani use ubuntu as well (well, kubuntu) and almost the same player...but i've never had any problems
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05:46:55orsonjI've had similar problems with flash cards for my camera too.
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05:47:32orsonjIt wasn't until I got the sansa and started playing with rockbox that I was able to get problems predictibly.
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05:56:21LoloLOHi, would you know if i can use a 1.8v DDR SDRAM chip with 1.8v Mobile SDR SDRAM controller ?
05:58:31scorchemethinks you have the wrong channel..
06:05:17LoloLOthere might be electronic guru here.. :)
06:05:26kadobanis there a policy with respect to external links in the manual?
06:05:53kadobanLoloLO: but there is also a rule that text here should be rockbox related
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08:52:27pixelmakadoban: I wouldn't use the Power button on the M5/X5 for anything else than a quit or to bring up a menu because - it's not a normal button you press but is a bit more like a switch that you have to push upwords and holding Power for 10..15s is a hard power-off
08:52:44pixelmaupwards too
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08:53:15kadobanpixelma: ahh, thanks. it is indeed for a menu
08:54:13pixelmayou also can't use button combos on them (only with power which is not a good idea)
08:54:44kadobanyeah, i'm not using too many of those. too hard to wrap my head around making the code for them even semi-clean looking
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13:39:02dberg918has anyone else gotten a weird "Data abort" error that clears the WPS screen before?
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13:43:58dberg918I'm just curious as to what it means, exactly
13:44:20dberg918if it's software or hardware-related
13:45:09kadobandberg918: i believe it's something like a "segmentation fault", except not as specific. it can be either software or hardware (hardware failure can cause most anything)
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13:49:24dberg918I see
13:49:44dberg918well my player was cold when it happened, I wonder if that has anything to do with it
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13:50:47dberg918it also seems to happen when I try to play one particular song
13:51:26kadobandberg918: either thing could cause it (cold electronics are bad to use, quite often), and broken files can cause something like that i am quite sure
13:51:31kadobanor even rockbox bugs
13:52:03dberg918I'm planning to update the firmware today, I'm running a relatively old build right now
13:53:33kadobanthat's generally a good idea if you're getting something unexpected
13:54:16dberg918it's funny, because I've gotten this error before on my H10, but never on my Gigabeat
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14:05:13amiconnkadoban: If a broken file causes this, I'd call that a rockbox bug as well. Broken files should never crash rockbox. It should refuse to play the file and move on
14:05:57kadobanamiconn: ah, true
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14:12:00kugelrasher: my binsize clients don't start :/
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15:31:57DerPapstHey JdGordon. thanks for fixing :)
15:34:54JdGordonno worries
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15:49:40J-23hm, why euroconverter is Archos only?
15:50:06LambdaCalculus37Because no one's bothered to fix it up for other targets.
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15:56:41pixelmait's not even Archos only...
15:57:00pixelmathat came out wrong.. I mean it's Player only
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15:57:08kugelJ-23: I already wondered that too
15:57:25pixelmaI wonder what it is good for these days though
15:57:55*n1s wonders that too and asked a long while ago but iirc someone found it useful back then...
15:58:04LambdaCalculus37Probably worthless now, though.
15:58:13kugelif it was a generic currency converter, but this one afaik does only the old currencies to "new" euro
15:58:20n1sbut you people in € countries are probably the best judges of that
15:58:22JdGordonwe could remove the player port and kill 2 birds with one stone :D
15:58:30kugellol :)
15:58:53kugelJdGordon: I saw the player gave you a red again recently :P
15:58:56pixelmait's oh sooo funny
15:58:57LambdaCalculus37Hell no! Why should we forget where we started? ;)
15:59:34kugelwho said "forget"?
16:00:23LambdaCalculus37kugel: JdGordon's mention of removing the Player port (misunderstood it).
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16:00:50JdGordonyou dont have to forget somehing just because its removed...
16:01:08JdGordonyou dont forget a tumour just because it gets removed....
16:01:19kugelwhen JdGordon says remove, he means branch out and put the branch on an altar
16:01:50kugeltumour, nice comparision :p
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16:02:50DobbleyHi, I just registered on the Rockbox Wiki as JohnDobbler to create a page on enabling UDMA in player's USB-ATA bridge. Is it possible for someone to grant me write permission for the Wki, please?
16:03:08*DerPapst doesn't know how to
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16:04:10mcuelenaereDobbley: sure, what's your wiki name?
16:04:20DerPapstthough a unit converter would be a nice thing... you could even steal larger parts of it from iPL ^^
16:04:27mcuelenaereDobbley: oh sorry, you mentioned it
16:04:57mcuelenaereah, I see kugel is already on it
16:05:11n1sDerPapst: yeah, that could be nice
16:05:14kugelhe, I stopped since I thought you're at it
16:05:22kugelso, I'm going to do it now
16:05:25mcuelenaereDerPapst: just add his name to TWikiUsersGroup if you would like to give him write permission
16:05:42DerPapstah :D i always searched for a button ^^
16:05:43mcuelenaerekugel: ah, well the wiki said you were working on it..
16:06:25kugelDobbley: done, promise not to spam!
16:06:48kugelmcuelenaere: I clicked edit, then close tab (after reading your comment here) :P
16:07:06DobbleyMany thanks
16:07:17Jaykayyou forgot your promise
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16:15:35Jaykayi just want to know your opinion... is it better in mandelbrot to clear the button queue after each calculation or zoom in e.g. 20 times without stopping if you press zoom 20 times?
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16:18:22kugelimo it should clear the queue
16:19:28kugelespecially since calculation can last really long you may accidentally "freeze" your player
16:19:28Jaykaythats my opinion too
16:19:42Jaykayany other opinions?
16:20:15*DerPapst agrees
16:20:46kadobanif you could limit the queue length, that'd probably be better than either
16:21:22Jaykayhere the required suggestion on comitting a patch :)
16:21:27Jaykay does exactly this
16:21:39Jaykay(clearing button queue)
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16:25:22kferdousHi everyone
16:25:43DerPapstlo kferdous
16:25:48kferdousHow are you?
16:26:22DerPapstfine :D thanks
16:26:30kferdousNo problem :)
16:26:59kferdousSo yeap. Going to try to install RB on my ipod for the first time.
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16:27:16evilnick_7kferdous: What generation is the iPod?
16:27:38kferdousThe iPod Video the 80GB one.
16:27:55evilnick_7Are you sure it isn't an iPod classic?
16:28:07kferdousnope not the classic
16:28:14kferdousI have a class as well
16:28:19kferdousthe 160GB
16:28:39kferdousI just got mine back from repair from apple today (the 80gb 5.5)
16:28:44*DerPapst suggest to swap the hdds :D
16:29:03*evilnick_7 would definitely do that, but are they compatible?
16:29:08LambdaCalculus37DerPapst: Not compatible.
16:29:26DerPapsti though both are zif ;)
16:29:27LambdaCalculus37The 160GB drive in the Classic uses a CE-ATA connector, and the 80GB model uses ZIF.
16:29:39LambdaCalculus37The 120GB also uses ZIF, AFAIK.
16:30:08kferdousThing is I don't know where to start
16:30:35n1skferdous: the manual
16:31:46kferdous that?
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16:31:57DerPapstis CE-ATA what the minis are using?
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16:34:22scorche|shDerPapst: you might want to check the HardDriveReplacement wikipage
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16:45:24kferdousWhy does the program autodetect the 60/80gb as 30?
16:45:45DerPapstthere is no way to be 100% sure that the 60/80GB has 64MB
16:45:48DerPapstof ram
16:46:06kferdousWhat do I do about that?
16:46:13DerPapstthat's why it installes the 30GB version which works for sure
16:46:37DerPapstyou can download the 64MB version after installing and put that on your player
16:46:50kferdousOk I'm lost
16:47:14DerPapstheh.. just proceed with the installation
16:47:39kferdousso let the 30gb stay as is?
16:47:45kferdousor select the 60/80?
16:48:12DerPapstif you can select the 60/80GB version you can do that
16:48:15kferdousoh ok
16:48:40*DerPapst never used rbutil and didn't know that you can select that :D
16:49:22*GodEater_ suggests DerPapst check it out some time
16:49:51DerPapstif i get a new target that is supported by rbutl i'll do so ;)
16:50:58kferdousI clicked on the full install
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16:58:18kferdousOk after I do that
16:58:28kferdousdo I have to click on the other tabs?
16:58:31kferdousOr I should be done?
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17:02:00kferdousOk here is the stupid question. Where do I place the music?
17:02:45DerPapstwherever you want
17:02:55kferdousI mean no folder for it?
17:03:00kferdousJust drag and drop?
17:03:04DerPapstno you can use any folder
17:03:10kferdousoh ok
17:03:18kferdousI'm going to give it a try now
17:03:23kferdousthank you once again
17:03:24evilnick_7kferdous: It's not recommended to store it in ".rockbox" but aside from that, anywhere should be fine.
17:03:30kferdousOh ok
17:04:04GodEater_and that means "not anywhere in .rockbox, not even in a sub folder"
17:04:23DerPapstthough it would work ^^
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17:05:09pH1hi everyone
17:05:19GodEater_DerPapst: the .rockbox dir defaults to having an ignore file in it, so stuff in there doesn't get indexed by the database
17:05:24evilnick_7DerPapst: It wouldn't be indexed by the database (unless one were to delete the database.ignore file) in .rockbox
17:05:27GodEater_which is why we say "don't put your music there"
17:05:40GodEater_but you still could if you *really* wanted to
17:05:41DerPapsti know. :P
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17:07:48kferdousomg it worked
17:07:52kferdousI love you guys
17:07:56kferdousFinally can play my flacs
17:08:18pH1hey i'd like to know if you guys could port rockbox for my device
17:08:26pH1no, just kidding
17:08:33saratogaI found a .patch file that uses explimation points
17:08:49saratogais that even valid?
17:09:08saratogai'm curious since they claim a huge speed up for vorbis decoding on ARM
17:09:53gevaertssaratoga: there are a lot of different patch formats
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17:11:59kugelsaratoga: did you try to apply?
17:15:39saratogakugel: am now
17:17:27pH1would you happen to know if lots of people own packard bell devices ? i own one myself and would be very interested in porting rockbox on it
17:17:57pH1but it seems to be a lot of work for one man
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17:18:51scorche|shlots of ports have been done by "one man"...though most of them have had a lot of the beginning work done by one person and then others jump on after they see that work is ongoing
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17:19:30pH1so the best is that i start alone
17:19:54pH1and if other people are interested, they'll come
17:19:54scorche|shwell, the best is that it starts anyway it can ;)
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17:20:33scorche|shbut yes...if you want it to happen, then to start working on it yourself is likely the best way
17:21:10pH1ok thanks
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17:21:49pH1i already started to disassemble my device
17:22:01pH1so far i haven't broken anything
17:22:43n1ssaratoga: the format in that patch is just replace lines with ! before them above the −−-XX,YY−−- with the ones after
17:23:34DerPapstpH1: best is to start a new wiki page and attach some high res scans of the pcb in order to identify the used chips
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17:24:19pH1DerPapst: ok i'll do that
17:25:36n1ssaratoga: also LOOKUP_T is already defined as const ogg_int32_t so only the doubling of the iram buffer should have an actual effect
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17:25:53n1smight be worth trying out though
17:26:36DerPapstpH1: if you're luck a lot of chips are used in already existing ports, so you don't have to write new drivers ;)
17:27:01kferdousGuys does it take a long time to transfer files?
17:27:13kferdousI mean it says 140 mins
17:27:22casainhohello :-) −− I would like to creat a wiki page but I am not getting access:
17:27:33casainhois there any problem with the wiki?
17:27:34n1ssaratoga: ah, missed that it places a couple more lookup tables in iram too
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17:29:49saratogan1s: i'm actually not seeing an difference in performance
17:29:54saratogawhich is odd
17:29:59saratogai would expect some difference
17:30:15n1ssaratoga: what are you testing on?
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17:30:36saratogasansa e200
17:31:24saratoga"About 20~23% is improved in the Sansa E200 series. Moreover, it is ineffectual than the file encoded excluding a specific mode."
17:31:26n1smaybe i can try it on coldfire later
17:31:34saratogawhat do you think that means?
17:31:51casainhocan someone creat to me the wiki page: RockboxPlayerLittlePrototypeLCD
17:32:02n1ssaratoga: no idea
17:32:31kugelcasainho: aren't there already enough wiki pages about your project?
17:32:33evilnick_7saratoga: Possibly that the files have to be encoded in a specific mode to get the speedup? That's how I parsed it anyway.
17:32:48evilnick_7s/mode/bitrate setting?
17:33:10saratoga"The decipherment speed of the OggVorbis file of "Q-1/-2(32kHz~48kHz)" corresponding encoded with libvorbis (AoTuV is included) is speed up."
17:33:16saratogaso maybe only low bitrate files?
17:33:47saratogaugh got to run, will email about this later
17:33:52kugelwhat files do you have? my oggs are q3
17:34:13casainhokugel: I don't think so. I would like to creat one for info about the LCD used. Do you sugest anything?
17:35:02kugelcasainho: we don't need 1 page for each hardware part
17:35:35kugelwell, whatever, can't you create pages yourself?
17:36:56casainhokugel: I don't think so. I would like to creat one for info about the LCD used. Do you sugest anything?
17:37:27casainhocan you please create that page?
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17:41:45pH1i'm trying to disassemble my device and i'm blocking with that part , do you think it is supposed to be removable ?
17:42:23pH1it links the pcb to the screen
17:43:46DerPapstbe very carefull with those ugly ribbon cables!
17:44:22DerPapstisn't there a latch or something that can be carefully pulled?
17:44:47n17ikhwhat's the page that has the info on svn merges?
17:44:51DerPapstthis black thing
17:45:02n17ikhnever mind, I remembered
17:45:42pH1DerPapst: thanks, that was it
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17:46:33DerPapstpH1: :)
17:49:32pH1well, now i have a big metal part that was between the screen and the pcb, and it's welded to the pcb
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17:51:22DerPapstpH1. no good. better leave it there.
17:51:56DerPapstexcept you're feeling very lucky.
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17:53:10DerPapsthave you checked if there are maybe some photos available somewhere in the internet? there are some chinese dap forums where the members disasseble everything they get.
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18:05:39bertrikkugel, I'm thinking of committing the last part of ams radio support today
18:08:12LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Cool. :)
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18:10:06kugelbertrik: cool, should I test it one more time before?
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18:11:05bertrikkugel, I think I can test it sufficiently myself on the clip
18:11:22kugelhehe ok :)
18:11:28bertrikI wonder if sansa m200v4 currently has (silent) radio, /me checks
18:11:53kugelcasainho: btw, we still think the display isn't suitable for a new dap
18:11:54domonokybertrik: i think radio for m200v4 is not enabled in the config.
18:12:13domonokybut if you enable it, nd correctly route the audio, it works fine.
18:12:30bertrikdomonoky, and you also need a SOURCES update to include the tea5767 driver, right?
18:12:54kugelcasainho: you created the page just for shwoing this picture?
18:12:55bertrikoh maybe that is done automagically depending on the config setting
18:13:09domonokyno, i think not, the config entry should handle it.
18:14:14domonokyjup, firmware/SOURCES checks CONFIG_TUNER
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18:20:48Soap_Worksomething just crossed my mind. Why is MAME mentioned in the manual at the end of the PacBox section?
18:21:20Soap_WorkI assume this is what leads to the confusion some people have about the ability to use other ROMs?
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18:24:37LambdaCalculus37Soap_Work: Ahh, I was wondering about that, too. Let me go look at it again.
18:25:30LambdaCalculus37Soap_Work: Yes, I think that should be removed.
18:25:50LambdaCalculus37I think it was only there since it was mentioned that you can get the Pacbox ROMs off of the MAME set.
18:27:15casainhokugel: did you read about the advantages of this LCD?
18:27:45kugelthere's no advantages for normal users, this lcd is just outdated and ugly
18:28:23casainhook, but I think about making this prototype working and not about final users
18:28:25kugelthe normal user doesn't care about that
18:28:55domonokykugel: and whats the "normal user" for the rockbox player (little) ?
18:29:05Soap_WorkIF MAME is mentioned because it is hint towards aquiring ROMs from somewhere other than "ripping" your own machine, that (to me) is even more reason to remove the link. Regardless it appears to me to be vestigial
18:29:24kugeldomonoky: don't ask me. I just know that casainho plans to sell his hardware
18:29:53kugeland if he wants many buyers, he should think about a more appealing LCDs
18:30:09kugel(alone the fact that it's squared disqualifies it imo)
18:30:13casainhokugel: sorry, I didn't wrote nothing yet about the plans, but, this is a kind of prototype, which is not with final hardware
18:30:28Soap_Workdevil's advocate says "If you can't define 'normal user' - how can you say the screen has no advantage for 'normal users'"?
18:30:33*domonoky would think that this rockbox player (at leats the first version) is more for do-it-yourself people, and then the advantages are real.
18:30:47casainhoI think that MCU can be final or near it, but LCD is not final for sure
18:31:13domonokycasainho: did you solve your sd-card read problem ?
18:31:46casainhodomonoky: no, there are still erros and I don't have a clue - even if I can do JTAG debug :-)
18:31:51kugelSoap_Work: I know what normal user is for me, but he asked what it is for casainho
18:32:45casainhodomonoky: do you have knowledge on SPI SD Card protocol?
18:34:38domonokycasainho: no, but i played my part with the sd-driver for the sansas. So i know a little bit how it works. The actual transfer protokoll shouldnt matter much (spi/Sd-bus)
18:35:47casainhodomonoky: so, can you please give a look at our drivers and see if there is any problem you can find?
18:36:06casainhodomonoky: reading one sector seems ok.
18:36:22casainhodomonoky: I even could creat an empty file
18:36:58kugelwow, you could create a 0byte file? nice :P
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18:37:44casainhokugel: yeh, yeh - it's fun, no?
18:37:48LambdaCalculus37Soap_Work: I'll remove that vestigial bit tonight, then.
18:38:08casainhokugel: it's empty because the code hangs on fclose(), I think
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18:59:32Soap_Workwhoa whoa whoa, LambdaCalculus37. I would not be suprised if there is someone who has an interest in that line, and possibly a good reason for its existance.
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19:00:29jhMikeSyeeha. Actual DMA working on IMX. What a piece of work that thing is.
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19:03:52LambdaCalculus37Soap_Work: All right, I'll hold off from removing it for now.
19:04:01toffe82jhMikeS: what does it mean , faster access to hd ?
19:04:37jhMikeStoffe82: Could be, if we use UDMA mode. It's also of benfit to scaling.
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19:37:56jack_would someone steer me in the right direction to investigate why my e280v2 scroll would work in unicatcher but not cabbiev2?
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19:39:09FlynDicewhoops, my 280v2 question...
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19:43:24*domonoky1 finds it still strange, that a wps affects how the buttons work.
19:43:58domonoky1but you could try to block interrupts while doing lcd-transfers, to see if that changes anything.
19:44:50domonoky1maybe it depends on, when and how buttons interrupt the lcd transfers.
19:44:58FlynDicebuttons work fine its the scrollwheel
19:45:12domonoky1jeah, i meant the scrollwheel.
19:45:44domonoky1or more exactly: dbop reads :-)
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19:48:30FlynDiceso how would I bock the interrupts?
19:48:35kugeldomonoky1: going by the datasheet, this shouldnt be needed. But it's worth a try of course
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19:49:41kugeldomonoky1: it's not the wps (only) which makes the e200v2 wheel unworking, it's the main menu too
19:50:04domonoky1kugel: but we are always changing those timing settings before and after dbop read/write, so maybe the problem is there..
19:50:22kugelanyway, the dbop reads are obviously rigged on the e200v2, seeing that the REC button is problematic too
19:50:54domonoky1kugel: the thing which really makes sense with this situation, is that lcd-update rate varies, and this somehow affects the dbop-reads
19:51:03kugelI think the dbop function should be RE'd in the e200v2 OF, I assume it differs from the Fuze's implementation
19:51:20kugelhow does the lcd update rate vary?
19:51:37kugelI'm not having any theme-specific issues btw on my fuze
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19:53:18casainhodomonoky1: the file is all with "5" and ends with "123456789"
19:54:51kugelFlynDice: familiar with disassembly?
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19:56:43FlynDicenot particularly.. I did disassemble the of and got lost pretty quickly
19:56:52domonoky1kugel: i am just assuming it might vary, its the only thing i can think of causing this.
19:57:29kugelFlynDice: I'll try to have a look at the weekend, no promise though
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19:58:45FlynDiceI just looked at the lcd-fuze and it is much different than lcd-e200v2, is that worth looking at?
19:59:02kugelit's not much different
20:00:14FlynDicecan you give me an approach at how to find stuff in the dissasembly or is a lot of just looking?
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20:02:29kugelin this particular case you can search for the base address of dbop (see DBOP_BASE in as3525.h), and watch out when 20(0x14) is added to the register where this DBOP_BASE is loaded to
20:02:38kugelDBOP_BASE+0x14 is DBOP_DIN
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20:03:07kugelthe chance that the dbop function is next to that is rather high
20:03:36kugelhow to search depends on the tool you use for disassembling though
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20:18:08low_lightQball: to test something?
20:20:36toffe82low_light: I test yesterday on the hdd6330, I think that rockbox is running, the touchpad reacr but no light , if it was the original firmware there should be the light on the touchpad, also when you shutdown, it looks like it shutdown a part of the screen first
20:20:55DerPapstlow_light: saw my comments on FS #9865
20:23:00low_lighttoffe82: good. There's a great deal of similarity between the hdd1630 & hdd6330. The lcd controller is different. I have a simple driver if you want to test it.
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20:23:51toffe82low_light: email me the driver, I will try tonight or sure this week end
20:26:02low_lightDerPapst: yes. Thanks for testing. The only thing that should be effected on ipods was the pcf50605 which I think reads the battery and clock.
20:26:33DerPapstoh... then i should recheck that.
20:28:31low_lighttoffe82, Qball: You can use the hdd1630 build and change the LCD_WIDTH/HEIGHT to 220 x 176 in config-hdd1630.h
20:29:13DerPapstlow_light: reading the clock works on 3G
20:29:39low_lightDerPapst: cool, thanks.
20:29:46DerPapstbattery too.
20:30:18low_lightgood... soon we'll have radio on the hdd1630 :)
20:30:38DerPapstsame with my 5.5G
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20:34:19low_lighttoffe82, Qball: obviously that code replaces lcd-hdd1630.c
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20:50:14pH1please, is there a tip for scanning PCBs ? with my scanner, the components which touch the glass are correct but the rest is blurry
20:51:07bertrikI think you'll have to take photos instead then
20:51:10LambdaCalculus37It's hard to scan PCBs.
20:51:16LambdaCalculus37Mostly because of raised components.
20:51:48LambdaCalculus37Get out a digital camera and take some nice, high-res shots of the board and all major chips, as well as components (hard drive, LCD, touchpad, etc.)
20:53:05pH1ok thanks
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20:54:58unstablepH1: What DAP do you have?
20:55:34pH1sorry, what's a DAP ? (i'm french)
20:55:52gevaertsdigital audio player
20:55:53pH1if you mean mp3 device, it's a packard bell vibe 500
20:56:35pH1i don't know if it has the same name everywhere
20:56:56pH1it must not be very common
20:57:49pH1i don't use it, so i thought i could have some fun trying to port rockbox on it
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21:01:18tonyspeaksHi everyone. I am a blind user attempting to install rockbox using the utility version 1.0.9 and getting an error message saying that permission for disk access is denied and required for boot loader installation. I found something about sansapatcher in the logs, but I can't find this in the manual, so I don't know if it will be helpful.
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21:03:58bertriktonyspeaks, what operating system are you running?
21:04:08tonyspeakswindows vista.
21:04:20tonyspeakshave tried running as admin
21:05:09bertrikhmm, if that didn't help then I don't know what to try next, I'm not an rockbox utility expert.
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21:05:31tonyspeaksI have been able to install it before
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21:06:46tonyspeakswhen I tried to upgrade to the lastest version, I got that error. I've tried several things including uninstalling and reinstallation failed from the same error
21:07:50pixelmadid you try the "full installation" or bootloader installation separately from another tab? I remember reading about some bug in the latest Rockbox Utility but don't know much about it either. I need to look it up but it will take a while
21:07:53domonoky1tonyspeaks: rbutil need admin rights for certain bootloader installs.
21:08:50domonoky1and yes, there is a sansapatcher but in the current rbutil release.
21:08:52bertrikIf the rockbox bootloader is still installed on your player, you might be able to get away with just installing the main rockbox files
21:09:31tonyspeakshi Domo. I have admin rights and even clicked to run as admin in the context menu. I don't remember trying a separate bootloader installation. Rootloader is not installed right now. I thought some file smight be corrupted, so I just took everything off to start fresh.
21:10:22tonyspeaksI just tried the separate bootloader install, and it gave the same error.
21:10:28domonoky1tonyspeaks: try the 1.0.8 version of rbutil.
21:10:58tonyspeaksokay ty. I'll try it.
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21:13:25tonyspeaksDomo, only version 1.0.8 and 1.0.9 are available on the rbutil page.
21:14:33tonyspeaksThank You
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21:17:39tonyspeaksThis application has failed to start because mingwm10.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem.
21:17:52tonyspeaksthat was with version 1.0.8
21:18:18pH1I just registered on the wiki, would it be possible to have write permissions so i can create a new page for the packard bell vibe 500 ?
21:18:39bertrikdomonoky1, are you OK with me enabling radio on the m200v4?
21:18:45domonoky1bertrik: yes
21:18:45mcuelenaerepH1: sure, what's your wiki name?
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21:19:15domonoky1tonyspeaks: ups, bug in every version. I think then you have to install the bootloader manually via sansapatcher
21:19:23pH1mcuelenaere: oh no sorry, i'm BenjaminPicardat on the wiki
21:19:32bertrikdomonoky1, basically just #define CONFIG_TUNER TEA5767 in the config file, right?
21:19:58*domonoky1 thinks there were 2 defines..
21:20:14mcuelenaerepH1: all done
21:20:25tonyspeakssansapatcher is discussed in the installation section of the manual then?
21:20:25domonoky1bertrik: #define CONFIG_TUNER TEA5767
21:20:25domonoky1#define CONFIG_TUNER_XTAL 32768
21:20:43pH1mcuelenaere: thanks a lot
21:20:45domonoky1tonyspeaks: yes, under "manual install"
21:20:52bertrikand the INPUT_SRC_CAPS #define probably
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21:22:51LambdaCalculus37pH1: And welcome to Rockbox. :)
21:24:09pH1LambdaCalculus37: Thanks ;) I hope i will be useful
21:26:25LambdaCalculus37pH1: Hey, any new ports are plus in our books. ;)
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21:29:11LambdaCalculus37Has anyone seen shotofadds lately?
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21:31:31pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: you could have asked logbot... "signed off 20 days and 19 hours ago"
21:35:32mcuelenaereLambdaCalculus37: I mailed shotofadds some days ago and he said RL got him rather occupied
21:36:11mcuelenaerebut he said he was trying to do some Rockbox work
21:36:23mcuelenaereLambdaCalculus37: if you really need him, you should mail him
21:36:34LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: Thanks; I wanted to ask if he had made any more progress on the TCC-based Sansa m200.
21:36:48tonyspeaksthe sansapatcher worked. ty. I installed the latest version and will generate voice files. I got hung up on the voice file creation thing a few days ago and could not use my custome voice
21:36:53LambdaCalculus37I'll email him later on.
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21:37:11LambdaCalculus37Good to hear he's all right, at least.
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21:37:45domonoky1tonyspeaks: good to know.
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21:45:32tonyspeaksDomo, all done. voice files work with no problems. One more quick quick question. was the feature to removed that allowed us to specify how many recent bookmarks to maintain?
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21:50:04LambdaCalculus37pH1: I think you forgot to create a new wiki page for the Packard Bell Vibe 500, plus on the main wiki page, the "New Ports" section is usually reserved for targets that already have some code in SVN and are in at least a semi-functional state.
21:50:58pH1LambdaCalculus37: i'm actually creating the wiki page
21:51:14pH1where should i put the link then ?
21:51:52LambdaCalculus37pH1: Make a link to it from the TargetStatus wiki page:
21:52:14LambdaCalculus37It should be under "Pre-Development Ports".
21:53:23pH1do you remove the link ?
21:55:14tonyspeaksThank You for help yall. Well appreciated.
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21:58:05LambdaCalculus37pH1: Yes, take the one off of the WebHome page for now.
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21:58:39pH1LambdaCalculus37: I removed it
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22:23:26Qballlow_light: around?
22:23:31***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22:24:21Qballi see something but it keeps resetting itself, file missing
22:24:24Qballwhat files to copy?
22:25:19QballI see the rockbox logo
22:26:34Qball/home/qball/HDD6320/rockbox/rockbox/apps/action.c:26:18: error: lang.h: No such file or directory
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22:27:06mcuelenaereQball: that means Makefile can't find some file
22:27:15QballI know
22:27:25Qballlatest svn checkout
22:27:46domonoky1did you try a "make clean" first ?
22:28:24Qballok.. buidling
22:28:31mcuelenaereQball: I mean the lang.h file doesn't matter, it's just a 'bug' which gives this error when another file is missing
22:28:48Qballfirst thing I bitch about when thing fails at my users is to clean builddir
22:28:51Qballnow I don't do it myself
22:28:55*Qball stands in a corner
22:29:03kugelmcuelenaere: I thought that was fixed
22:29:15mcuelenaerekugel: I thought that too
22:29:21mcuelenaereperhaps I'm just wrong
22:29:27Qballanyway I see the bootloadr on my hdd620
22:29:37kugelwith display?
22:29:48QballI said see
22:29:50kugelgreat thing
22:30:01kugelnow build a normal build
22:30:15kugelselect 'n' (or nothing, normal is default) in configure
22:30:18Qballdone that
22:30:28Qballwhat files to copy? rockbox.mi4?
22:30:32low_lightQball: the bootloader build works?
22:30:33kugelthen make && make zip, and extract to your hdd6330
22:30:34Qballdo I need to sign them?
22:30:44kugelno, not the normal build
22:30:49Qballlow_light: look that way
22:31:05low_lightdisplays the logo?
22:31:24kugelQball: make zip gets you a, which you extract onto your device
22:31:38kugelmake a photo if possible :)
22:31:40Qballkugel: you jusst said that
22:31:55QballI should change my nick again
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22:32:12low_lightin bootloader/common.h you can remove the PHILIPS_HDD1630 from verbose=false
22:32:34low_lightQball: ^ then you'll see what's going on
22:33:17MacGrumpystupid reflective
22:34:45MacGrumpykeyss don't work
22:34:52MacGrumpyand stupid camera won't autofocus
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22:36:23toffe82this packard bell player looks like the hdd6330 and it have a mi4 file
22:37:40low_lighttoffe82: hdd6330 has 64MB?
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22:38:01MacGrumpyterrible picture
22:38:06toffe82low_light: I don't know I have to check
22:38:19MacGrumpyhmm keys do work
22:38:22MacGrumpyjust lights not
22:38:49low_lightMacGrumpy: all the keys?
22:39:09low_lightlights don't work on the hdd1630 yet either
22:39:14toffe82low_light: the block diagram shows 64Mb sdram and 4Mb flash
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22:39:48MacGrumpylow_light: no idea
22:39:52MacGrumpyit is a bit fuzzy
22:40:01MacGrumpythey don't light up, so hard to see
22:40:05MacGrumpyand alot of keys make noise
22:40:07MacGrumpybut do nothing
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22:40:25Quintasanhi, on what license is rbutil developed?
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22:40:48low_lighttoffe82: well, the hdd1630 diagram says 64MB too, but when I tried a 64MB build, it didn't work.
22:40:49BagderQuintasan: GPL
22:41:05toffe82low_light: how can we know
22:41:09kugelMacGrumpy: nice ;)
22:41:17toffe82with the chip reference
22:41:49MacGrumpyit _seems_ to play
22:41:54MacGrumpylets grab headphone
22:42:01MacGrumpyI think this one does 250O
22:42:10QuintasanBagder: and who I should put as an author? Rockbox Community? I'm making a ubuntu package and I'd like to know :)
22:42:36MacGrumpyyeah!!!!!!!!!!!! music
22:42:53BagderQuintasan: good question, I guess "Rockbox Community" or possibly a set of the largest contributors...
22:43:03rasherDoesn't the rbutil have a lsit of contributors somewhere?
22:43:12low_lightMacGrumpy: cool!
22:43:25*gevaerts expects an email now!
22:43:42Bagderhow that has to count as one of the least resistance ports ever ;-)
22:43:44kugelMacGrumpy: very cool!
22:44:06Bagdernot to diminish low_light's work
22:44:26kugelMacGrumpy: you didn't seem to expect your gogear to play music from rockbox the next day when I was at #mpd yesterday :)
22:44:33kugellow_light: very cool!
22:44:48kugelBagder: of course not
22:44:48low_lightMacGrumpy: so which keys work. Up/select/down on the center strip and right/left
22:44:58gevaertsMacGrumpy: have a look at
22:45:13MacGrumpythe center strip does nothing
22:45:22MacGrumpythe _I think_ menu does something the play prev/next work
22:45:24MacGrumpyvolume works
22:45:27MacGrumpyhold works
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22:45:52MacGrumpyleft works, right not
22:46:10toffe82we need an easy way to load rockbox on the hdd1630 and hdd6330
22:46:27low_lightMacGrumpy: the center strip gets divided into 3 sections Up/Select/Down. You can't slide.
22:46:34MacGrumpyGalois: hmm should I post a link there?
22:46:36MacGrumpylow_light: it does nothing
22:47:13MacGrumpyeeuh gevaerts can I edit that page? should I mail one of you dudes
22:47:42MacGrumpyI am stuck in pitch control
22:48:06gevaertsYou should send a mail to one of the mailing lists, using the mails linked from that page as examples. You can't break tradition!
22:48:51MacGrumpywhat is the ML adress?
22:49:08low_lightMacGrumpy: ok...the touchpad might be tricky to figure out remotely ;)
22:49:15MacGrumpylow_light: tell me how..
22:49:41gevaertsShould Gentlemen mails go to rockbox or rockbox-dev?
22:49:50low_lighttoffe82: installation is the same as the the H10. So presumable rbutil can handle it.
22:50:26gevaertsAlso, are the lists subscriber-only, or can anyone post?
22:50:36*gevaerts isn't really sure about these things
22:51:13low_lightMacGrumpy: you have a hdd6320 (no radio)?
22:51:25MacGrumpyeurope model
22:52:22MacGrumpyso where to e-mail?
22:52:26gevaertsMacGrumpy: has the details
22:52:44MacGrumpyugh my firefox is crashing
22:52:58toffe82low_light: I have the 6330 with radio if I remember
22:53:03MacGrumpyhmmm usb cable attach seem to give issues
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22:54:05MacGrumpyis flac there by default?
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22:54:30BagderMacGrumpy: yes
22:55:29MacGrumpycool works
22:55:41low_lightMacGrumpy: it should reboot
22:55:51MacGrumpylow_light: it does
22:56:06kugellow_light: how far is the sa9200 port?
22:56:07MacGrumpyflac plays
22:56:09MacGrumpysounds good
22:57:37*MacGrumpy is kind off amazed he can hear the difference between mp3/flac
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22:58:48BagderMaurus Cuelenaere/mcuelenaere=1
22:58:59*Bagder likes getting a chance to test his blame-script...
22:59:21Bagdernow I only need to find a good use for it!
23:00:25MacGrumpylow_light: hmmm 95dB snr
23:00:43*MacGrumpy wonders about thd
23:01:14mcuelenaereBagder: implement it into logbot
23:01:32MacGrumpyhmm -74dB worse case
23:01:33MacGrumpythat sucks
23:02:14MacGrumpylow_light: anything I can do to figure buttons out
23:02:21low_lightMacGrumpy: You might have 64MB RAM. In tools/configure try changing memory to 64 in the hdd1630 section and then load a large flac (>32MB)
23:02:23Bagdermcuelenaere: yeah, I was thinking that too but the amount of work has made me hesitate
23:02:44MacGrumpylow_light: the control is a bit hinky
23:02:50MacGrumpyis there xomething like xev
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23:03:59low_lightMacGrumpy: for now, you can remap the volume up/down to button_up/button_down
23:04:13MacGrumpyI have up/down
23:04:31MacGrumpyprev/next seems to be mapped to that
23:04:32low_lightwhat keys are they?
23:04:58MacGrumpyhow you mean?
23:05:04MacGrumpythe next key seems to be up
23:05:10MacGrumpyprevious down
23:05:40MacGrumpythe play key seems to work to
23:05:43MacGrumpythe prev and menu
23:05:51MacGrumpyeeuh arrow left Imean
23:05:56MacGrumpythe slider and right does nothing
23:06:13pixelmareminds me a bit of the m:robe100
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23:07:51low_lightMacGrumpy: odd...I'll have to think about it
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23:08:17pixelmathe button layout I mean (maybe it's also bcause of a backlit tochpad) e
23:08:48pixelmaremove leading e...
23:09:41kugelthat doesn't make it clickable!
23:09:57bluebrotherhow important ...
23:10:07MacGrumpyhow do I re-create database?
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23:10:26bluebrotheruse the "initialize database" entry in the menu
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23:11:48MacGrumpygot it
23:12:31MacGrumpyI hope my mail is send
23:12:37MacGrumpythunderbird is complaining
23:12:41MacGrumpy(mailbox moved)
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23:18:58low_lightMacGrumpy: do you have a real name so I can add you to the credits
23:19:12low_lightI'll try to commit an hdd6330 build this weekend
23:19:32MacGrumpyhmmm real name
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23:19:38MacGrumpyMartijn Koedam
23:20:07MacGrumpyman rockbox loads faster then default stuff
23:21:28low_lightDid you try to see if a 64MB build works?
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23:21:47MacGrumpyhow do I do that?
23:22:24pixelmawould the buffer size be displayed correctly in the info screen?
23:22:28low_lightabout 20 min ago ;)
23:22:40MacGrumpyhmm flac plays realy realy nicely..
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23:27:04MacGrumpylow_light: I am getting codec failures now
23:28:12low_lightOk, I guess it doesn't work. Strange that the block diagram specifies 64MB
23:28:22low_lightgotta go now
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23:29:33evilnick_7MacGrumpy: Congratulations!
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23:30:26*MacGrumpy is so happy to finally have an mp3 player that does flac
23:32:30MacGrumpyhow does cover art work? I have images in same dir?
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23:37:09MacGrumpyhmmm I should see about these buttons.
23:37:18MacGrumpycan't exit applications :D
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23:43:38rasherThat'll get annoying fast
23:43:54kugelMacGrumpy: actually, the "Ladies and Gentlemen, we have sound" phrase is the most important part of these emails ./
23:45:33rasherThe wiki page should be more explicit about this
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23:46:54*MacGrumpy is happy to finally stop having to convert his flacs
23:47:14MacGrumpyis there a key-press program.. where I can see what key maps to what
23:47:59kugelno, we usually have the source, and the manual (once someone cared enough about making a manual for a port)
23:48:21kugelbut apps/keymaps/ should give you a clue
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23:49:37MacGrumpyha ha ha metronome gives a divide by 0 error
23:51:34MacGrumpyaah nice audio out on dock works
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23:52:54MacGrumpynow where is remote
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