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| 00:17:25 | Quintasan | Hiho, to who should I send a binary package for rbutil? |
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| 00:34:17 | rasher | Quintasan: try getting hold of Bagder |
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| 00:36:19 | allele | will the rockbox compiler automatically will convert division by any power of 2 to a shift to the right command? |
| 00:37:43 | Quintasan | rasher: thanks |
| 00:38:07 | rasher | allele: the rockbox compiler is called gcc, and the answer is "probably maybe" |
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| 00:40:45 | allele | ok, so my best bet is using the shift operators? |
| 00:44:04 | rasher | You could try looking at the gcc output to see, it really should use shifts, but I've heard of gcc doing weirder things |
| 00:50:43 | Unhelpful | kadoban: you're looking to display a menu of string labels that map to integer values, basically? |
| 00:51:56 | Unhelpful | mcuelenaere: did i correctly understand that the MIPS clz instruction produces 32 for an input of 0? pictureflow should probably be using it in place of the C function on MIPS, then, as it does on ARMv5+ |
| 00:53:05 | kadoban | Unhelpful: yes. i have it working of course, but it's ugly having to keep the strings and the numbers in line. an enum would help but i thought that i had seen a prettier way to do it all in the MENUITEM_STRINGLIST somewhere |
| 00:53:37 | kadoban | it may have been in my dreams as i can't seem to find it... |
| 00:53:45 | mcuelenaere | Unhelpful: yes it should, at least when I get around some storage for these devices :) |
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| 00:54:02 | Unhelpful | take a look at pictureflow.c:album_name_menu - unless that's basically what you're already doing. |
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| 00:56:10 | Unhelpful | do you know what kind of multiplication we can do on MIPS? the scaler uses 40-bit unsigned multiplies, these are done via the emac on coldfire, and using C code that generates 32x32->64 multiplies on ARM. sh1 just operates at lower precision, using 8.24 instead of 8.32 math. |
| 00:56:37 | kadoban | Unhelpful: hmm, that's not half bad. thanks. that's basically what i was planning to do if there wasn't something better, but it looks nice in practice so i'll just do that. |
| 00:57:20 | mcuelenaere | Unhelpful: I'm not MIPS expert, but the datasheet does mention some special multiply+add etc instructions |
| 00:57:25 | mcuelenaere | s/not/no/ |
| 00:58:37 | mcuelenaere | Unhelpful: http://www.socle-tech.com.tw/file/MIPS32_4K_Family.pdf |
| 00:58:55 | mcuelenaere | 10.7 Enhancements to the MIPS Architecture |
| 00:59:03 | Unhelpful | kadoban: it looks to me like you could globalize the MENUITEM_STRINGLIST somewhere, and just call rb->do_menu directly - the caveat is that you will have to use an int instead of a "real" enum, because pointers to the two are not compatible. |
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| 01:00:11 | mcuelenaere | Unhelpful: when doing multiplication and divison on MIPS, you need to get the result out of 2 'special' registers; and if I'm not mistaken they're both 32-bits big |
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| 01:00:48 | Unhelpful | mcuelenaere: if we're *really* lucky, then, gcc will do the right thing for MIPS as it does on ARM ;) |
| 01:01:19 | mcuelenaere | let's hope so :) (perhaps we'll need to fiddle with -mtune and -march) |
| 01:02:42 | Unhelpful | do we have a programmer's manual for it? this looks like a marketing datasheet :/ |
| 01:03:24 | mcuelenaere | Unhelpful: The MUL instruction multiplies two words and writes the result to a GPR. The 32-bit word value in the GPR rs is multiplied by the 32-bit value in the GPR rt, treating both operands as signed values, to produce a 64-bit result. |
| 01:03:31 | mcuelenaere | so it is 32x32->64? |
| 01:04:22 | Unhelpful | so the output is in two registers? |
| 01:04:57 | mcuelenaere | yes |
| 01:05:09 | mcuelenaere | we'll, not directly; but they can be moved to two registers |
| 01:05:14 | mcuelenaere | s/we'll/well/ |
| 01:05:32 | mcuelenaere | Unhelpful: I can't seem to view that link, see if this one is better: http://www.usrmodem.ru/files/adsl/mips.pdf |
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| 01:07:57 | Unhelpful | it looks like mul results go into the special-purpose lo/hi regs? |
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| 01:09:06 | mcuelenaere | Unhelpful: correct |
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| 01:10:07 | Unhelpful | hrm... can i actually build one of our mips targets pretty easily? that would probably be the fastest way to see what gcc does. |
| 01:10:29 | mcuelenaere | rockboxdev.sh should work |
| 01:10:53 | mcuelenaere | or do you already have the compiler? |
| 01:11:06 | mcuelenaere | if so, you can build the Onda VX747 bootloader |
| 01:12:34 | Unhelpful | hrm, only the bootloader? |
| 01:13:59 | mcuelenaere | yes, as there's no working storage driver there's no point in getting the main firmware to work.. |
| 01:15:36 | Unhelpful | ah. so, if i want to see how the sort of math the scaler uses would compile, i need to inject it into the bootloader |
| 01:16:01 | Unhelpful | or just put it in a test file, and compile that with the same flags we use for rockbox |
| 01:16:12 | mcuelenaere | yes, something like that |
| 01:16:26 | mcuelenaere | although you'll probably need a working config.h etc |
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| 01:23:51 | Unhelpful | easiest to just add a test function to the bootloader... |
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| 01:24:27 | yaoluislg | can i dualboot rockbox and the original ipod firmware |
| 01:24:35 | Unhelpful | i think the C math can stay, as on ARM. here's what it generates for MIPS: http://pastie.org/382165 |
| 01:24:56 | PaulJam__ | yaoluislg: yes, the procedure is described in the manual |
| 01:25:18 | amiconn | Unhelpful: gcc isn't *that* braindead ;) It does replace divisions by a power of two by shifts (with some fixup code if the division is signed) |
| 01:25:21 | yaoluislg | really can i use the utitlty thing to install rockbox and will it still let me dualboot? |
| 01:25:48 | kadoban | yaoluislg: yes and yes |
| 01:26:04 | yaoluislg | um ok so i justr run the installer and thats it? |
| 01:26:07 | mcuelenaere | Unhelpful: how does this get handled on ARM? Does that also support 32x32? |
| 01:26:31 | Unhelpful | mcuelenaere: pretty much exactly the same, except without special-purpose registers |
| 01:27:02 | mcuelenaere | oh ok, I didn't know that ARM could do something like this |
| 01:27:29 | Unhelpful | amiconn: what needs fixed up, from a signed right shift? does division need to round toward 0? |
| 01:27:35 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:28:35 | kadoban | yaoluislg: rockbox actually requires the OF to be there actually, because you need that to transfer music to your ipod (rockbox has no USB released for ipod yet). you should read the installation section of the manual and browse the rest of it a bit. but yeah, installation is relatively painless. |
| 01:29:22 | yaoluislg | oks o if i use the installer utility it will install everything for me am i correct also will this let me play videos on say a 4th gen ipod? |
| 01:30:20 | kadoban | yaoluislg: read the installation instructions :). and look at the mpegplayer plugin section in the manual or the wiki, but yes it can play videos of specific format |
| 01:30:31 | yaoluislg | ok thanks man |
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| 02:38:59 | wemdowemd | I have an iRiver H10 20gb, and I've been running RockBox on it for awhile. Recently I tried to resize the partition on it and broke it pretty badly. It still starts and runs fine (albeit correctly reporting 12gb rather than the original 18), but computers can't open it. They say the disk is corrupted. I therefore can't reverse what I did, or use the iRiver repair program (and even if I could... |
| 02:39:02 | wemdowemd | ...I don't have their firmware because they no longer host it, which is required in the process). I remember the installation of RockBox required the preexistence of some files from the original firmware. My question then, is can I just fresh-format the whole thing and install RockBox again afterward, or am I screwed with that option too? |
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| 02:43:36 | wemdowemd | ah fsck it, I'll format it anyway. Can't hurt any more than it already is |
| 02:47:30 | wemdowemd | is anybody even watching this channel? |
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| 02:51:58 | Unhelpful | certainly. perhaps nobody who knows how to help you is active at the moment, though. |
| 02:53:20 | Unhelpful | i don't know if you can format the whole thing, but if you resized *and moved* a partition (ie, changed which disk block it starts at), without properly resizing and moving the filesystem on it, that would likely be your problem. what did you use to resize? |
| 02:53:33 | wemdowemd | Ubuntu's gpart |
| 02:54:16 | wemdowemd | As I said, I'm reformatting in FAT now with windows. My question is whether I can install RockBox on such a freshly formatted drive, given the flash 'BIOS' of the player will still be intact |
| 02:54:32 | wemdowemd | There was no partition moving donw |
| 02:54:41 | wemdowemd | just resizing. I chopped a few gig off the end |
| 02:55:36 | Unhelpful | ok, if you resize a partition to a smaller size, and don't resize the filesystem down *before* resizing the partition, that will corrupt the filesystem, as well |
| 02:55:44 | Unhelpful | do you mean gparted? |
| 02:56:28 | wemdowemd | yes. Well that's what I did then. Funnily enough though, while Windows and Ubuntu could no longer read the disk, Rockbox continued to work fine, and correctly reported the reduced size. |
| 02:56:44 | wemdowemd | If only it had a built in filesystem/partition editor :) |
| 02:57:31 | Unhelpful | that's a fairly absurd thing to have inside rockbox, though... |
| 02:58:11 | Unhelpful | and rockbox may very well continue to work fine, provided you never try to touch anything past the new end of the filesystem... and possibly even if you do. |
| 02:58:34 | wemdowemd | Yeah, I'm joking. How is it so robust? |
| 02:59:39 | Unhelpful | well, if rockbox is willing to silently read past the end of the partition, the rest of your filesystem is still there ;) |
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| 03:01:17 | Unhelpful | i don't really know that part of rockbox at all, but if it's "robust" in that way it could easily be considered a bug. |
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| 03:08:29 | wemdowemd | hm. I certainly know less than you about it, but this is the sort of thing I need to know for what I was/am trying to do. My original intention was to put an encrypted partition in there, which would contain a small 'liveUSB' linux install. It's part of an ongoing attempt to make a locked-down, 'spy' style portable OS |
| 03:08:58 | wemdowemd | The MP3 player is getting so old it's ready for replacement now anyway, so I'm playing with it |
| 03:09:29 | wemdowemd | In an ideal world the OS could be accessible from the screen of the player itself, but that's a pipe dream ATM. I'm more concerned with the complexities of encryption and boot-partitions |
| 03:13:18 | Unhelpful | ...yeah, rockbox is probably never going to support booting some custom OS from an encrypted partition that you've added to it, unless you write a plugin to do that yourself. :/ |
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| 03:18:01 | wemdowemd | Nah, as I said it's all musing at the minute. My main plan is to make a portable, bootable OS that's secure. That's the biggest portable storage device I had laying about, and I thought it would be cool if I could keep the music-playing partition on there as a disguise |
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| 03:21:39 | Unhelpful | you may very well be able to "rescue" the device if you just resize the music partition back up... assuming you've not written to the data after it. |
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| 03:44:35 | wemdowemd | I tried but it wasn't having it. The whole thing's fresh FAT formatted now |
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| 03:47:46 | wemdowemd | It worked! Everything's golden again. Now I'm going to repartition it more carefully... |
| 03:48:01 | wemdowemd | Which requires booting ubuntu, so I'll see you later |
| 03:48:03 | wemdowemd | cheers |
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| 04:35:34 | insanepotato | i want to make a patch which will contain many new files, it seems unintuitive to make lots of diff files. can i just zip the files and post the zip? |
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| 04:37:52 | Unhelpful | why would it be lots of diff files? |
| 04:38:11 | Unhelpful | just svn add each new file, and then svn diff should include all of them. |
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| 04:41:48 | insanepotato | i didn't realise svn diff would do that. i just tried it and the images are in the diff |
| 04:44:44 | Unhelpful | *images*? |
| 04:45:10 | insanepotato | im trying to make a patch with a new plugin and the manual |
| 04:45:23 | Unhelpful | ok, binary files are definitely things you should be including in a separate zip, until they're actually committed. patch is inherently a text format. |
| 04:45:44 | insanepotato | ok |
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| 06:28:31 | Unhelpful | hrm... seems to just be a funny way of failing on disk full. nevermind. :/ |
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| 08:19:01 | insanepotato | hello, i wish to make the metronome work on c200, how can should i go about this? |
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| 08:28:57 | pixelma | IMO the best way would be to make the plugin use own button (or action) defines instead of pluginlib actions |
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| 08:32:25 | * | Unhelpful thinks that PLA might be more useful as an engine for handling table-based mappings of buttons to plugin actions, than as that *plus* a set of predefined mappings. |
| 08:34:08 | * | pixelma can't follow at the moment and decides it's time for some more coffee |
| 08:36:41 | Unhelpful | pixelma: isn't that basically what its button_mapping structs are? i'm saying it might be less flakey if plugins that did anything odd defined their own button_mapping |
| 08:38:47 | insanepotato | when doing my own builds, is it possible to enable extra optimisations of any sort? |
| 08:39:21 | Unhelpful | rockbox isn't gentoo - and that's not the point of gentoo, either. :) |
| 08:40:20 | insanepotato | fair enough =] |
| 08:40:28 | pixelma | if you are brave enough you could enable Rockbox USB on your c200 |
| 08:40:53 | scorche | though, that is hardly an "optimisation" |
| 08:41:28 | insanepotato | i dont want risk breaking it, i need it for music |
| 08:41:54 | pixelma | for me it is because I don't have a microSDHC capable card reader otherwise ;\ |
| 08:46:32 | pixelma | Unhelpful: if you mean in the plugin file itself then I agree. But I wouldn't like that pluginlib keymap file become a collection of all sort of button mapping structs because having to look up things in a second file if you are doing your own anyways isn't nice |
| 08:46:55 | Unhelpful | no, no, in the plugin file is exactly what i meant. |
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| 10:41:36 | Unhelpful | i think this is probably ready. the main purpose is to get the renderer to work in a way that i understand, so that further tweaks to the slide layout, etc will be easier. as a bonus, it's also a "real" 3D projection. http://pastie.org/382392 |
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| 11:05:21 | rasher | Unhelpful: it seems version.sh isn't quite robust against what git might throw at it |
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| 11:32:46 | J-23 | my brother says that when he starts recording on Rockboxed c240 it powers off after 30 seconds? |
| 11:33:19 | J-23 | s/\?// |
| 11:34:21 | bertrik | I think I've seen some weirdness too in recording on my sansa c200/e200 but couldn't reproduce it very well |
| 11:34:58 | J-23 | 26,5MB of free space ;p |
| 11:35:02 | J-23 | maybe that's the reason |
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| 11:39:20 | n1s | it still shouldn't power off |
| 11:41:10 | pixelma | Unhelpful: did you already commit some test plugin or something for aspect ratio corrected greylib scaling for the Archos screens? |
| 11:41:47 | J-23 | now works, it recorded a 50-second wav file |
| 11:43:12 | J-23 | also Rockbox on that player wasn't updated for a looong time |
| 11:43:40 | bertrik | I made a patch so that serial port support is only included for targets that really use it, can someone have a look at it? |
| 11:44:46 | bertrik | it's at http://pastebin.ca/1329807 and simplifies the condition for adding serial port support. It should save a little ram and binsize on most targets. |
| 11:49:14 | Unhelpful | pixelma: if you edit apps/plugins/SOURCES, test_greylib_bitmap_scale.c is such a plugin, in a way :) |
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| 11:50:35 | pixelma | ok, I'll try that on my Ondio - anything on how to use it / what to look for when testing? |
| 11:56:35 | Unhelpful | well, you might try making a bitmap with some shapes that will show up aspect ratio distortion - squares or circles would be quite obviously if out by 20%, as they would be if uncorrected. just save something a good deal larger than the screen, and use the context menu to open it with the test plugin |
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| 12:02:23 | mcuelenaere | bertrik: it looks nice. I would say, it it doesn't break anything: commit :) |
| 12:02:29 | mcuelenaere | s/it it/if it/ |
| 12:05:04 | Unhelpful | i wouldn't try to scale down from more than 2-3x screen dimensions, but i don't really have any benchmarks for the speed of the scaler on archos, at least until pictureflow-on-hwcodec is ready ;) |
| 12:06:39 | bertrik | mcuelenaere, I tested all the archoses and the ipods to see if they still build correctly (and they did) and a couple of other targets, so I think it's safe |
| 12:06:58 | mcuelenaere | bertrik: then commit :) |
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| 12:27:56 | bertrik | mcuelenaere, yay, no red! :) |
| 12:28:07 | mcuelenaere | bertrik: yes, and nice green ;) |
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| 15:29:42 | qball | How can I enable a debug log in rockbox? |
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| 15:36:15 | Jaykay | is it wanted that when turning volume to -74db the music is still hearable? |
| 15:36:40 | mcuelenaere | qball: do you mean logf? |
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| 15:37:40 | qball | yeah or how it is called. |
| 15:37:58 | qball | think I found it |
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| 15:40:31 | mcuelenaere | \o/ /me got SD working on the Onda :) |
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| 15:41:19 | qball | hmm I was wrong |
| 15:41:21 | qball | how do I enable it |
| 15:41:30 | qball | I want to see if I can find out all the buttons |
| 15:41:33 | mcuelenaere | qball: it's available in tools/configure |
| 15:42:15 | * | mcuelenaere is playing music on his PC from his SD (in his DAP) over USB :) |
| 15:43:35 | BigBambi | mcuelenaere: congrats! |
| 15:44:31 | qball | log is written in a file? |
| 15:44:42 | mcuelenaere | qball: no, you can view it in the debug menu |
| 15:44:47 | mcuelenaere | or write it out to a file |
| 15:44:53 | mcuelenaere | or view it over USB using USB serial |
| 15:44:58 | qball | ok. how to write it to a file? |
| 15:45:05 | mcuelenaere | enable it in the debug menu |
| 15:45:17 | qball | ok |
| 15:45:38 | qball | th |
| 15:45:39 | qball | x |
| 15:48:37 | qball | mcuelenaere: is there a wiki page on it. I am doing something stupidly wrong |
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| 15:49:09 | mcuelenaere | hmm it doesn't look so |
| 15:49:23 | mcuelenaere | qball: you are building with logf enabled? |
| 15:50:03 | qball | trying too |
| 15:50:08 | mcuelenaere | then there should be an entry in debug menu -> logfdump |
| 15:50:12 | qball | but configure −−help is completely unusefull |
| 15:50:19 | qball | it is not in the configure normal output |
| 15:50:23 | mcuelenaere | just run ../tools/configure without any options |
| 15:50:36 | qball | in advanced |
| 15:50:40 | qball | ok |
| 15:50:44 | * | qball stands in corner |
| 15:51:11 | mcuelenaere | qball: yes, in advanced choose (L)ogf |
| 15:51:31 | mcuelenaere | (or just manually edit autoconf.h to define ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF) |
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| 15:52:39 | qball | hmm build failure. |
| 15:53:41 | qball | but it did link something |
| 15:53:49 | qball | /home/qball/HDD6320/rockbox/rockbox/apps/plugins/superdom.c: In function ‘get_number’: |
| 15:53:52 | qball | aah only an app |
| 15:56:08 | qball | in autoconf.h |
| 15:56:09 | qball | 8 /* Define this if you build rockbox to support the logf logging and display */ |
| 15:56:12 | qball | 9 #define ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF 1 |
| 15:56:13 | qball | but no entry in menu |
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| 15:57:52 | fml | Hello. Since the last commit to the lamp plugin I can only quit it via shutdown, at least on sansa e200. Was the change correct? |
| 15:58:49 | mcuelenaere | qball: an entry should appear, look in apps/debug_menu.c and you'll see that it's conditional on ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF |
| 15:59:47 | qball | not there.. did a make clean |
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| 16:00:15 | qball | strings on the debug_menu.so shows it there |
| 16:00:18 | mcuelenaere | try adding #ifdef ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF\n #error here\n #endif around that area |
| 16:00:22 | mcuelenaere | oh |
| 16:00:28 | qball | can I build withouth that app that fails? |
| 16:00:31 | qball | maybe that causes it |
| 16:00:36 | mcuelenaere | you're sure you're uploading the right binary? |
| 16:00:44 | qball | make zip |
| 16:00:46 | qball | then extract zip |
| 16:00:49 | qball | with overwrite |
| 16:00:55 | mcuelenaere | just copy rockbox.* |
| 16:01:14 | qball | pff ok |
| 16:01:33 | qball | how do I stop apps from bulding |
| 16:01:35 | qball | is only annoying |
| 16:01:53 | BigBambi | make bin |
| 16:02:17 | BigBambi | or edit SOURCES |
| 16:06:32 | qball | damn no extra hints from there |
| 16:06:37 | qball | regarding the nice button |
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| 16:13:06 | mcuelenaere | bleh, my SD is FAT16; that's why Rockbox won't mount it.. |
| 16:13:12 | * | mcuelenaere reformats his SD card as FAT32 |
| 16:14:48 | qball | Listening to: The Thrill Is Gone - B.B. King (Live At San Quentin) |
| 16:15:18 | qball | fat16 still used |
| 16:15:19 | qball | ? |
| 16:15:53 | mcuelenaere | qball: Rockbox supports FAT16 (if enabled) |
| 16:16:21 | qball | but is it realy still used? |
| 16:17:16 | at0m|c | the last fat16 has just been formatted to fat32 |
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| 16:18:09 | mcuelenaere | qball: I'm not sure whether some targets enable it by default, but I'm sure it's still used |
| 16:18:19 | qball | they should be shot |
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| 16:21:47 | n1s | i think some low capacity sansas came with fat16 partitons from factory |
| 16:24:12 | qball | I should see if I can buy a good rockbox compatible mp3 player |
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| 16:40:01 | BigBambi | qball: On small enough sizes |
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| 19:04:10 | Jaykay | in the manual rockbox should always be written uppercase right? |
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| 19:08:50 | BigBambi | Jaykay: Not the whole word, no |
| 19:09:01 | BigBambi | But Rockbox, yes |
| 19:09:09 | BigBambi | As it is a proper noun |
| 19:09:10 | Jaykay | ok thats what i meant |
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| 19:13:34 | Jaykay | can i tell little manual errors here or should i try to fix them myself and submit a patch? |
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| 19:18:02 | BigBambi | Jaykay: Patch would be better |
| 19:18:14 | Jaykay | ok, ill try |
| 19:20:33 | BigBambi | Jaykay: Thanks |
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| 19:30:46 | * | bertrik wonders if some of the creative players have a RDS capable FM chip |
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| 19:31:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: The Dell DJ doesn't. Then again, it doesn't even have FM. |
| 19:31:53 | bertrik | the scanned image doesn't clearly show the last digit of the chip number, so it could be tea5764 (RDS) instead of tea5761 (no RDS) |
| 19:33:33 | kugel | Unhelpful: haha nice |
| 19:33:44 | kugel | I just tried PF on my clip for the first time |
| 19:34:03 | qball | PF? |
| 19:34:09 | kugel | pictureflow |
| 19:34:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | Jaykay: What sorts of errors have you noticed with Rockbox not being spelled as a proper noun? |
| 19:34:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: What's it look like? :) |
| 19:34:29 | qball | + |
| 19:34:37 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: ugly :P |
| 19:34:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Hehe. :) |
| 19:34:47 | bertrik | but it works! |
| 19:34:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Neat! |
| 19:34:53 | kugel | indeed |
| 19:35:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now we need a video player! :) |
| 19:35:10 | kugel | if the cover isn't too complex, you can acutally identify the cover |
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| 19:35:24 | * | LambdaCalculus37 still think we should just use the video player from the Archos JBR for the Clip |
| 19:35:24 | Jaykay | LambdaCalculus37: "joining the rockbox IRC channel", i dont know whether this is right or "Rockbox" or #rockbox" would be better |
| 19:35:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Jaykay: Just capitalize Rockbox. |
| 19:35:55 | Jaykay | will do |
| 19:35:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | When you're done and have a patch up, give me a shout and I'll look at it. |
| 19:36:04 | kugel | maybe put "(#rockbox at irc.freenode.org) behind |
| 19:36:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Yes, good idea. |
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| 19:36:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Jaykay, add what kugel said. |
| 19:36:32 | Jaykay | thats also mentioned somewhere |
| 19:36:43 | wizzy | Is rockbox compatible with the 4th gen ipod nano? |
| 19:36:46 | Jaykay | "The main channel for Rockbox is #rockbox on irc://irc.freenode.net." |
| 19:36:57 | bertrik | LambdaCalculus37, oh, the archos has some kind of dedicated video player? |
| 19:37:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: Yes, it has a video player that plays back .rvf files. |
| 19:37:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's a wiki page for it. |
| 19:37:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | wizzy: No. |
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| 19:38:09 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: You can't "just use" the Archos video player - that's written to use the MAS to decode audio. So someone needs to add software audio decoding. Also, it's far easier to encode to mpeg than the Rockbox video format. |
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| 19:38:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Ahh, I didn't know. Thanks for telling me. |
| 19:39:37 | bertrik | pictureflow on clip could look a little better with the text on top instead of below (so the text is in the yellow part and the cover in the cyan part) and with with bigger covers |
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| 19:40:43 | wizzy | Can you still access the service menu with rockbox installed? |
| 19:42:27 | n1s | wizzy: what services menu? |
| 19:42:37 | wizzy | on the ipod 4g |
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| 19:42:58 | linuxstb | wizzy: Which 4th gen ipod? The original 4th gen or 4th gen Nano? |
| 19:43:14 | n1s | you mean the diagnostic mode? |
| 19:43:39 | wizzy | yes, the one accessed by pressing four buttons, two at a time |
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| 19:44:57 | n1s | wizzy: that is handled by the apple bootloader in flash an is not touched by rockbox so yes it can still be entered on ipods where rockbox is installed it is however _not_ possible currently to install on a nano 4g (as linuxstb already said) |
| 19:45:42 | wizzy | How about on an MS Zune (which, as you may already know, is based on the Toshiba Gigabeat S) |
| 19:45:50 | linuxstb | No |
| 19:46:11 | n1s | wizzy: all supported targets are listed on the frontpage |
| 19:46:21 | wizzy | ok |
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| 19:46:25 | linuxstb | And "not supported" targets are also listed..... |
| 19:48:53 | * | qball still has a weird dream of creative zen with rockbox |
| 19:49:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | qball: So make it a reality. |
| 19:49:57 | qball | I am way to stupid for that |
| 19:50:27 | qball | anyway first this hdd6320 |
| 19:53:58 | Jaykay | whats the difference between HAVE_RB_BL_ON_DISK HAVE_RB_BL_ON_flash in the manual? |
| 19:54:20 | Jaykay | * HAVE_RB_BL_ON_DISK an HAVE_RB_BL_ON_FLASH |
| 19:55:02 | n1s | one is for players with the bootloader on the disk or main storage and the other for players where you "flash" the bootloader |
| 19:56:44 | Jaykay | so the sansa should have HAVE_RB_BL_ON_FLASH or not? |
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| 20:01:34 | n1s | no, don't think so |
| 20:02:40 | n1s | don't remember what difference it makes in the manual so i guess you can check that and see what is more appropriate |
| 20:07:15 | kugel | eh |
| 20:07:29 | kugel | just running pictureflow already messes up my clip completely |
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| 20:08:30 | kugel | something is wrong with my clip |
| 20:08:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | What's wrong with it? |
| 20:08:47 | kugel | the filesystem is broken as soon as rockbox writes the config file or anything like that |
| 20:09:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Check the filesystem and see that nothing happened to it. |
| 20:10:37 | kugel | ?? |
| 20:10:38 | * | bertrik wonders about the cause of the skipping of mp3s on the clip |
| 20:10:49 | kugel | yea, that one is weird too |
| 20:11:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | On my Clip, not all MP3s seem to skip. |
| 20:11:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Vorbis files play fine, but sometimes the Clip freezes when doing so. |
| 20:11:39 | kugel | some are fine, indeed |
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| 20:13:46 | bertrik | I have no idea yet if it's some kind of hardware/driver issue or a an issue in the mp3 decoding (e.g. memory problem) |
| 20:16:50 | kugel | mp3 is definitely weird on ams sansas |
| 20:17:06 | kugel | remember that the fuze (e200v2 too I think) just reboots when trying to play them |
| 20:17:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: What about other codecs on the Fuze? |
| 20:17:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Same result as MP3 or do those work? |
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| 20:19:09 | kugel | well, they don't really work, but they don't reboot |
| 20:19:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Weird. |
| 20:19:25 | kugel | on the higher mem targets the IRAM isn't used, and the RAM seems way too slow to decode |
| 20:19:46 | kugel | so, after a few seconds playback stops (AAC definitely, OGG not always) |
| 20:20:29 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hasn't tried an AAC file on his Clip yet |
| 20:22:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Let me throw an AAC file onto my Clip. |
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| 20:24:05 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: forget it |
| 20:24:10 | kugel | there's no AAC on the clip |
| 20:24:23 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:24:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Ahh well. |
| 20:24:39 | * | LambdaCalculus37 dumps the AAC files he copied onto his Clip back off of it |
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| 20:36:15 | Jaykay | i just noticed a wierd behaviour of my e280... |
| 20:36:40 | Jaykay | while doing a battery bench it turned backlight sometimes on, at random times |
| 20:37:31 | bertrik | do you have caption backlight enabled? |
| 20:37:42 | Jaykay | it also seemed to jump at random times between songs, but when i opened the quickscreen to chekc the shuffle option it worked as normal |
| 20:37:59 | bertrik | IIRC that turns the backlight on briefly when a new track starts playing |
| 20:38:26 | Jaykay | bertrik: i never enabled it (i even dont know where i could do that) and iirc it also turned backlight on at the middle of a song |
| 20:39:14 | Jaykay | but i guess i shouldnt write a bug report because i cant reproduce it... |
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| 20:44:27 | kugel | bertrik: btw, the new cabbiev2 on the clip is nice ;) |
| 20:44:46 | Jaykay | does anyone know why this could happen, or is it known? |
| 20:44:54 | AlHaz | Hi. Having trouble compiling sendfirm to rockbox a Gigabeat S30. |
| 20:45:13 | AlHaz | KHD-CX910 |
| 20:45:17 | AlHaz | er, wrong paste |
| 20:45:20 | AlHaz | sendfirm.c: In function ‘sendfile_function’: |
| 20:45:20 | AlHaz | sendfirm.c:94: error: too many arguments to function ‘LIBMTP_Send_File_From_File’ |
| 20:45:27 | bertrik | kugel, yeah it's basically your modification with a minor bugfix |
| 20:45:57 | kugel | bertrik: you removed the horizontal line though |
| 20:46:11 | kugel | the space is empty there now, I liked the line as a placeholder |
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| 20:47:38 | bertrik | oh I wasn't aware of that |
| 20:48:45 | AlHaz | anyone? |
| 20:49:20 | gevaerts | AlHaz: sounds like a too old libusb |
| 20:49:28 | AlHaz | ok |
| 20:49:52 | Jaykay | what does "\label{Version}" in the manual do? |
| 20:50:47 | gevaerts | What's the current status of the database as an externalisable library? |
| 20:51:48 | Unhelpful | kugel: heh, add some tall covers and see what happens :) |
| 20:52:25 | n1s | gevaerts, AlHaz: I think it's rather a too new libusb |
| 20:52:41 | n1s | or rather an api mismatch |
| 20:52:43 | gevaerts | Could be that as well... |
| 20:53:05 | Unhelpful | gevaerts, AlHaz: it's a "too new" libmtp. libmtp has removed the last argument from that function, as it is also a field in one of the structs passed to it. |
| 20:53:32 | AlHaz | what version of libmtp should i use? |
| 20:54:27 | gevaerts | AlHaz: 0.2.x I think |
| 20:54:38 | Unhelpful | AlHaz: just edit sendfirm.c, and remove the parent id argument. it should work then. i actually thought somebody had committed this after figuring it out. :/ |
| 20:55:24 | * | n1s hopes for Unhelpful.commit_count++ |
| 20:56:37 | AlHaz | Unhelpful: that worked |
| 20:57:54 | AlHaz | Question about the gigabeat S port though - the wiki doesn't explain how to install the dual-boot bootloader and also in parts says that the OF is required to charge the battery. Is the OF still required to charge the battery? |
| 20:58:23 | n1s | Rockbox can charge now |
| 20:58:44 | AlHaz | ok, good. |
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| 20:59:37 | AlHaz | Has anybody tried to use a CF card in a gigabeat S? I'd like to, for the decrease in weight and increase in battery life and UI responsiveness (no waiting for the disk to spin up) |
| 20:59:58 | Unhelpful | n1s: should i? it'll force upgrades for folks with the older version, and i'm not even sure where that change happened :/ |
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| 21:00:27 | gevaerts | AlHaz: go for it! We need to know if it works! |
| 21:01:15 | AlHaz | hehe, ok. I ordered an adapter from dealextreme a few days ago. I have a 32gb CF card sitting around that never went into an h320 i bought 'cause the h320 has a half-cooked charging circuit. |
| 21:01:18 | n1s | Unhelpful: ah, tricky. either way we'll have users who will need to modify the source before they compile... |
| 21:01:29 | AlHaz | actually i have *two H320's with gimpy charging circuits. |
| 21:02:08 | n1s | the h300 has a different hd connector |
| 21:02:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | The Gigabeat S has a ZIF connector. |
| 21:02:24 | Unhelpful | i assume versions are in the header... if we know what version makes that change, we can ifdef on it... i definitely don't have time to dig in their svn right now |
| 21:02:35 | AlHaz | n1s: that's why i ordered a ZIF cf adapter from DX |
| 21:03:02 | AlHaz | I already have a cf-modded h120 here |
| 21:03:23 | n1s | Unhelpful: alright i'll take a look |
| 21:03:41 | AlHaz | bought a "bad harddrive" h320 for cheap and it turns out to have the ability to drain a brand-new cameron-sino 2200mah battery overnight. turned off. |
| 21:03:59 | AlHaz | by the time i figured that out, I already had a 32gb cf card |
| 21:06:10 | n1s | yeah version 0.3.0 broke the api compatibility |
| 21:06:19 | AlHaz | brb, may lose connectivity |
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| 21:10:24 | AlHaz | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.19675 <−− ordered this adapter |
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| 21:11:49 | n1s | can someone with an older libmtp check what LIBMTP_VERSION is defined to in ilbmtp.h ? |
| 21:12:03 | n1s | libmtp.h even |
| 21:12:08 | AlHaz | sendfirm tells me 'no devices' |
| 21:12:39 | gevaerts | n1s: #define LIBMTP_VERSION 0.2.6.1 |
| 21:12:55 | gevaerts | #define LIBMTP_VERSION_STRING "0.2.6.1" |
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| 21:13:16 | n1s | gevaerts: thanks, now how do i tell the preprocessor that 0.3.0 > 0.2.6.* ? |
| 21:14:29 | gevaerts | n1s: tell it that it's obvious and that you won't stand any nonsense |
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| 21:18:35 | Jaykay | another try: what does "\label{Version}" in the manual do? |
| 21:19:23 | gevaerts | n1s: you could play dirty and use an #ifdef in the C file, then from the makefile build once with and once without the define... |
| 21:19:36 | n1s | Jaykay: http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/textprocessing/teTeX/latex/latex2e-html/ltx-252.html |
| 21:20:06 | Jaykay | n1s: thanks |
| 21:21:02 | n1s | gevaerts: you forget that i'm makefile-illiterate... |
| 21:21:28 | Jaykay | n1s: is it correct that \label{Version} doesnt show anything in the rockbox manual? |
| 21:22:02 | n1s | Jaykay: not sure |
| 21:22:33 | Jaykay | i dont miss anything, ill remove it in a patch |
| 21:24:08 | gevaerts | n1s: http://pastebin.com/m55c0b05c |
| 21:24:27 | gevaerts | n1s: I'll let you commit if you like. I don't want my name associated with that sort of hack ;) |
| 21:25:25 | n1s | a so it builds both and one will always fail, sneaky :) |
| 21:25:45 | AlHaz | recovery mode on the gigabeat s may only support usb2 |
| 21:25:52 | gevaerts | If the first one succeeds it won't try the second one |
| 21:25:58 | n1s | ah, ok |
| 21:28:16 | Jaykay | another question regarding the manual: should there always be a free line between two warnings or notes |
| 21:28:24 | Jaykay | or a text and a note? |
| 21:28:35 | Jaykay | imo it makes the manual more readable |
| 21:29:00 | n1s | Jaykay: we don't have that sort of thing written down, use what looks good and is readable to you |
| 21:29:21 | Jaykay | ok |
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| 21:38:35 | Jaykay | is it right that "\dap{}" is always replaced with player |
| 21:38:58 | Jaykay | or where can i look up with what those "variables" are replaced? |
| 21:39:38 | soap | dreamlayers' BCM work is pretty cool. |
| 21:40:14 | n1s | Jaykay: yes it is and that is in the platform files iirc, grep is your friend btw |
| 21:41:19 | Jaykay | what is greo... |
| 21:41:42 | Jaykay | and why couldnt i write always player instead of /dap{}? |
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| 21:41:45 | Jaykay | *grep |
| 21:42:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Jaykay: Leave \dap{} as it is. |
| 21:43:35 | n1s | because we might want to change it, grep is a tool to search for text in files, very useful |
| 21:44:04 | Jaykay | hm ok.... |
| 21:46:18 | bertrik | soap, BCM work? what is BCM? |
| 21:47:35 | bertrik | oh, about the tv-out on ipod 5g |
| 21:48:22 | AlHaz | in recovery mode, the gigabeat S doesn't reboot after sendfirm completes |
| 21:48:28 | AlHaz | you have to unplug the usb cable |
| 21:49:21 | Jaykay | please write when im asking too much... why is there "char" in "\newcommand{\genericimg}{charx11x1}" in player.tex |
| 21:50:01 | kadoban | i assume that is short for "character display" instead of bitmap |
| 21:50:59 | Jaykay | i dont understand, but as long as its right.... |
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| 21:56:29 | bluebrother | Jaykay: the key is that this makes it possible changing it later ... if wanted |
| 21:57:21 | bluebrother | and the charx11x1 is the naming used for the charcell player. |
| 21:57:53 | Jaykay | i only cant imagine what would fit in all places where \dap{} is used except player... but it doesnt matter anyway, the output is the same |
| 21:57:53 | bluebrother | Jaykay: are you aware of the LatexGuidelines wiki page? |
| 21:58:07 | Jaykay | no... |
| 21:58:15 | gevaerts | Jaykay: uh no. The output isn't the same... |
| 21:58:19 | bluebrother | for example, on Ipods \dap{} could expand to Ipod. |
| 21:58:47 | Jaykay | gevaerts: as long as everyplayer uses "player" for dap, yes |
| 21:58:49 | bluebrother | currently it does not, but it might be a replacement that would work. Just as an example ... |
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| 22:00:29 | Jaykay | i would also prefer ipod/sansa or something like this... |
| 22:00:46 | * | Jaykay wonders why this is not already replaced |
| 22:00:46 | bluebrother | feel free to start a discussion about it on the -dev ml. |
| 22:01:11 | bluebrother | because it was decided to go with the current text in the past? |
| 22:01:16 | Jaykay | uh no i just get tha answer "nobody cared about it" |
| 22:01:39 | Jaykay | ill just leave it as it is. |
| 22:01:51 | bluebrother | well, another possibility is that someone decided to go that way and nobody cared enough about it to start a discussion. |
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| 22:02:17 | Unhelpful | gevaerts: that's perfectly awful.... but, if the version is *only* there as a string, i don't really see what else one can do. :/ |
| 22:03:21 | gevaerts | Unhelpful: it's there as a string and as something that's neither a string nor a number |
| 22:04:05 | gevaerts | Unhelpful: if I didn't think it was awful I'd have committed it myself :) |
| 22:05:42 | Unhelpful | wtf, there's nothing one can do with the other one, either.... i mean, at *all*, is there? :/ |
| 22:06:14 | gevaerts | You can grep on it... |
| 22:06:39 | n1s | could someone try building sendfirm on 32 bit now, i don't think the buildsystem builds it |
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| 22:08:02 | Unhelpful | gevaerts: correction, there's nothing you can do with it *in C*? ;P |
| 22:08:26 | Unhelpful | or am is there a context i'm not thinking of where 0.3.5 is a valid literal of some sort? |
| 22:08:47 | gevaerts | I can't think of one |
| 22:09:03 | n1s | this also creates another fun problem for a friendly gigabeast installation, different sendfirms needed for different linux systems... unless we link in libmtp statically :/ |
| 22:09:33 | gevaerts | Don't we already link to libusb statically for most tools? |
| 22:10:23 | Unhelpful | gevaerts: what if we build a test app first, that outputs the version string, and then use that output to set a define when building sendfirm? that gets rid of the "built twice" nastiness... |
| 22:10:50 | AlHaz | alright, one more gigabeat S successfully rockboxed |
| 22:10:53 | bluebrother | what "end user" tools need libusb except rbutil? |
| 22:11:34 | gevaerts | bluebrother: the e200r installer I'd say |
| 22:11:49 | gevaerts | Unhelpful: how do you do that when crosscompiling (e.g. for mingw)? |
| 22:11:58 | bluebrother | hmm, right. But is that an end user tool? ;-) |
| 22:12:13 | gevaerts | it is as long as *you* want :) |
| 22:12:22 | AlHaz | by the way, if anyone gets to "bang head against walls" levels of frustration with the freescale chips - the device driver team for these are personal friends of mine. Former coworkers. Still need to give them some ribbing over the y2k9 bug. |
| 22:13:18 | bertrik | AlHaz, want to hack on a cool project for the beast? |
| 22:13:39 | AlHaz | bertrik: I may or may not have the skills. I'm a QA guy. |
| 22:13:46 | AlHaz | or QC depending on who you ask |
| 22:13:48 | Unhelpful | gevaerts: surely we have something already for build-platform-native compilation when cross-compiling? don't we need it for the bitmap/font utilities? |
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| 22:14:17 | gevaerts | Unhelpful: what does the native libmtp version say about whatever mingw will use? |
| 22:14:19 | AlHaz | Freescale's driver development wing is what's left of Lineo - I worked there for 2 years until they ran out of money. |
| 22:14:37 | Unhelpful | ..... GAH! |
| 22:14:53 | saratoga | ffmpeg has the slowest svn ever |
| 22:14:55 | Unhelpful | you're right. we could grep the header, but that relies on *finding* it. |
| 22:15:08 | AlHaz | My coding skills are mainly limited to minor edits. I understand the syntax but lack the mojo for creating it. |
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| 22:16:29 | * | gevaerts wonders about the y2k9 bug if AlHaz whas a QA guy there ;) |
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| 22:16:34 | bertrik | AlHaz, ok, I was thinking about RDS support, but that does indeed require new code to write, datasheets to read, experiment, etc. |
| 22:16:48 | AlHaz | hehe, these chips didn't exist when i worked for that team |
| 22:18:14 | AlHaz | Lineo believed in QC. Freescale Semi doesn't. |
| 22:18:54 | AlHaz | I left there in 2001 when the investment capital ran out. A few months later Motorola bought it from Canopy and later sliced off Freescale |
| 22:19:11 | AlHaz | the guys who were the linux kernel team at lineo are now the freescale device driver team |
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| 22:19:25 | AlHaz | well, them and whoever recently graduated in CS in beijing |
| 22:20:05 | saratoga | making WMA pro fast on targets with IRAM may be interesting |
| 22:20:42 | saratoga | i see that MS has increased the max IMDCT block size to 4096 samples, times 2 channels, times 2 overlapped blocks |
| 22:20:53 | saratoga | should be fine for AMS though |
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| 22:25:57 | orsonj | hey, thought I'd point this out: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208353408 |
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| 22:26:15 | Unhelpful | saratoga: huh, does it use that size in lossy mode? i thought that giant blocks == more preecho... |
| 22:26:15 | orsonj | Sansa c240 for $11 |
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| 22:31:45 | bertrik | oh nice, according to the comments they are V1s |
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| 22:35:15 | AlHaz | by the way, if I'm unable to resolve the 'only runs on external DC' issue with my other S30, i might be willing to donate it to a needy developer. |
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| 22:38:50 | saratoga | Unhelpful: they're probably for 88.2/96k tracks |
| 22:39:24 | Unhelpful | does wma pro lossless use (ir)MDCT? |
| 22:39:26 | saratoga | but the WMA codecs are weird with blocks, WMA std had 5 different transform sizes, and used all of them |
| 22:39:37 | saratoga | lossless is actually a different codec then Pro |
| 22:39:59 | Unhelpful | they need to stop giving vastly different things the same names at MS :/ |
| 22:40:00 | saratoga | but its IMDCT based |
| 22:40:34 | Unhelpful | i'm assuming one of the "new" reversible IMDCT? |
| 22:40:45 | saratoga | i only skimmed it so far, but it looks a lot like WMA std with much better huffman coding, better stereo handling, more sample rates, etc |
| 22:41:03 | saratoga | Unhelpful: you mean lossless? |
| 22:41:04 | gevaerts | Who are the people "working" on lib-izing tools/database? |
| 22:41:14 | bertrik | what is holding us back from using a more recent version of gcc? |
| 22:41:24 | saratoga | bertrik: not much |
| 22:42:06 | saratoga | i think mostly just a lack of motivation to setup everything for a new gcc version |
| 22:42:12 | Unhelpful | saratoga: yes, i mean lossless. there are recent integer approximations to DCT/MDCT that have the property of being reversible, so that the inverse transform of unquantized coefficients is guaranteed to give you the input data. |
| 22:42:33 | Unhelpful | mpeg4-sls uses one such transform, i *think* :/ |
| 22:42:40 | saratoga | Unhelpful: I don't think anything is known about WMA Lossless but as far as I know, there are no practical transform based lossy audio codecs |
| 22:43:25 | saratoga | though i don't know much about the mpeg4 lossless codec except that not much uses it |
| 22:44:18 | saratoga | bertrik: i setup gcc4.3.2 for arm a while ago, but ran into some weird issues compiling, though other people have done it without trouble so i'm sure it was my fault |
| 22:44:48 | Unhelpful | well, there are *two* of those, as well, als and sls. sls seems to be based on one of the reversible DCT approximations, so that the "lossy core" can be decoded as AAC |
| 22:45:08 | saratoga | its probably worth having though due to the improvements for later arm processors and perhaps coldfire |
| 22:45:22 | bertrik | saratoga, ok thanks for the information |
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| 22:45:41 | saratoga | bertrik: theres a file spray task about it from last year |
| 22:45:45 | bertrik | does a newer gcc still require the rockbox specific patches? |
| 22:45:56 | saratoga | bertrik: not really, just the multilib patch |
| 22:46:09 | saratoga | which is really just a change to the configure options rather then a real patch |
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| 22:49:20 | AlHaz | Oh, I also have a line on a gigabeat V30 with a headphone jack issue that i could forward to a developer gratis |
| 22:49:38 | fml | Hello. It seems that backlight_on() isn't implemented correctly on the sansa e200 sim. Could anybody confirm? |
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| 22:53:19 | fml | Err... sorry, might be my fault. |
| 22:54:58 | Unhelpful | ok, pictureflow "new renderer" seems to be working properly now. any objections to commit? |
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| 23:00:23 | jaykay_ | sorry a noob question: how do i "compile" a manual... tools/configure M doesnt work... |
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| 23:02:54 | kadoban | jaykay_: "doesn't work" isn't a helpful description of a problem |
| 23:03:17 | jaykay_ | youre right sorry |
| 23:03:20 | bluebrother | you need to invoke make ;-) |
| 23:03:30 | jaykay_ | make made only a normal build |
| 23:03:41 | bluebrother | make manual :) |
| 23:03:57 | jaykay_ | i tried make manual, which gives lots of errors and a manual without e.g. the table of content |
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| 23:04:35 | * | bluebrother points to ManualHowto |
| 23:04:54 | bluebrother | well, do you have LaTeX installed and running properly? |
| 23:06:01 | linuxstb | jaykay_: Posting the errors to somewhere like pastebin.ca would help as well. |
| 23:06:57 | * | jaykay_ is installing latex-ucs |
| 23:07:40 | n1s | bertrik: i tried gcc 4.3 for coldfire about a year ago and posted the patch in FS that saratoga referenced but i ran into a bug that's fixed in 4.4 so i'm hoping to give that a try when it gets released |
| 23:08:14 | n1s | 4.3 and 4.4 supposedly birng a few nice things for coldfire at least |
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| 23:08:58 | jaykay_ | i think that "latex error: utf8.def not found" is the main error |
| 23:09:05 | n1s | while earlier 4.x versions generated significantly slower and larger code for coldfire than 3.4 |
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| 23:09:11 | bluebrother | hmm, the ManualHowto is somewhat outdated in regards to the unicode thing |
| 23:09:19 | bertrik | n17ikh, cool, looking forward to that |
| 23:09:25 | bluebrother | jaykay_: what LaTeX distribution and which version? |
| 23:10:00 | jaykay_ | i use the vmware image and "ran apt-get install latex-ucs", thats all i know :) |
| 23:10:41 | bluebrother | that's most likely completely outdated. Tried updating latex itself? |
| 23:10:54 | jaykay_ | i dont know how... |
| 23:11:16 | bluebrother | apt-get install latex should do it ... if there's a newer package around |
| 23:12:43 | bluebrother | well, it's tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-extra it seems. |
| 23:13:03 | jaykay_ | ? |
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| 23:13:26 | bluebrother | another option: edit preamble.tex and replace the utf8 with utf8x |
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| 23:15:33 | jaykay_ | latex error: enumity.sty not found |
| 23:15:45 | bluebrother | another package missing. |
| 23:16:01 | jaykay_ | im to tired.... ill try again tomorrow |
| 23:16:09 | jaykay_ | thanks for your help so far |
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| 23:17:50 | * | bluebrother isn't satisfied with the changes he made to ManualHowto but at least it's better than being completely wrong |
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| 23:58:32 | amiconn | Unhelpful: The new pictureflow algorithm is a bit strange |
| 23:58:52 | amiconn | The slide height increases at the sides.... |
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