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#rockbox log for 2009-02-12

00:00:02SoapWorkThat one you all put together at the last DevCon is awfully nice.
00:00:12SoapWorkflying buttresses and all
00:00:45pixelmasoap: I like the ideas though, was just playing around with ideas too. When do you need it?
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00:01:29SoapWorkI would like to print this weekend, though anytime up to a week (print next thursday night) is possible.
00:02:10SoapWorkI might have time, stress the might, I'm already neck deep in a presentation I have to give next week in Vegas after SCaLE for work.
00:02:59SoapWorkI can possibly hack together some text in the next 36 hours, but was hopeful for some general agreement over what the community feels needs covered.
00:03:30BigBambiSoapWork: I like both your ideas
00:04:02*gevaerts agrees
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00:04:12BigBambiSoapWork: I'm busy until the weeken, but could help then if needed
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00:06:30pixelmame too
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00:11:30SoapWork"Agreed upon" text for both the posters is one task.
00:12:12SoapWorkFormatting template for the posters is another. Let me check the yellow tanks, but should have enought to do black on yellow (like the logo) if that is the "style" wanted.
00:14:53pixelmahow about the cyan? :)
00:14:56SoapWorkHmm, looks like the widest photo-grade paper is only 36" in stock here. have 36, 42, and 48 heavy bond.
00:15:13SoapWorkplenty of cyan
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00:49:01Unhelpfulrasher: the hoops it jumps through were all there before. i'm not sure why it needs to find the top directory, really, other than maybe as a way of distinguishing which version control is in use?
00:51:33rasherUnhelpful: I guess - still, that could (should, really) be done using `dirname $0`/..
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00:56:11Unhelpfulthat seems reasonable. i'd like to know why it assumes the cwd will be one under BUILDROOT...
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00:59:02kugeldoesn't need to be in the root to do svn status?
00:59:20kugelsvn status in tools/ would hardly reveal changes
00:59:37Unhelpfulkugel: right, the question is how to *find* the root.
00:59:59kugelwell, go up one dir until there's no svn ;)
01:00:05kugel".svn" I mean
01:00:45Unhelpfulkugel: right, but right now, does this starting from the CWD of the process that calls it.
01:02:27kugelUnhelpful: other topic: you know pf code better than me: how hard would it be to let pf start at a album passed as a parameter?
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01:03:21kugelI was thinking about the database integration again today, and it seems very doable to me
01:04:02amiconnThe first thing that needs fixing is to make pf not use the buffer api. As long as it does that, you cannot start playback from within pf
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01:06:11kugelI hope that will be possible if/when saratoga's (actually Bagder's) malloc for codecs comes in and is adapted to plugins too
01:07:00amiconnGetting rid of buffer api usage is also required for porting pf to hwcodec, so there are already two reasons to do that
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01:07:59amiconnIf the plugin does its own memory management, it would be possible to start playback from within pf even if pf uses the main buffer for nrmal operation
01:08:51amiconnIt would just need to release the main buffer when the user selects an album/track before actually starting that track, and then finally exit
01:09:57hunternet93Is it possible to implement USB host capability on any of Rockbox-compatible players? Or USB serial? I'm just wondering.
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01:10:11linuxstbkugel: Why would you want malloc?
01:10:25linuxstbhunternet93: USB serial already exists on some players.
01:10:35hunternet93Which ones?
01:11:24linuxstbAt least the PortalPlayer PP502x-based ones (ipods later than the 3rd gen, Sansa v1).
01:11:48hunternet93Cool. Thanks.
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01:12:01kugellinuxstb: it would be possible without mallocing too, but then you'd need to dictate a max cover size + waste memory on covers that are smaller
01:12:43linuxstbWouldn't all covers be resized to a standard size when loaded? Or does pictureflow store them at the original size?
01:12:45kugelwhich only applies to when disabling resizing. removing the "do not resize" option and always resize could be considered too
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01:13:22amiconnSometimes a custom memory management works better than a malloc based one. The jpeg viewer does some custom memory management, for handling the various zoom levels
01:14:22linuxstbamiconn: My thoughts exactly - malloc/free doesn't seem the right API. (e.g. pf can freely move images around in RAM to minimise wasted space).
01:14:52amiconnIt caches the various zoom levels in ram if possible, but if a new, bigger zoom level doesn't fit into the remaining space, it drops non-current zoom levels until there is enough memory
01:16:10amiconnIf it won't fit even if dropping all other levels, it refuses to zoom in further
01:17:37kugellinuxstb: but malloc would make it less complicate and easier to maintain. Also, the malloc seems to come for non-core anyway, why not use it then?
01:18:30amiconnmalloc != easy to maintain, imo
01:19:19kugeldepends on the project size imo. sure, if the core would use it all over the place it wouldn't be easy to maintain
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01:20:28kugelbut in pf, it's only a single file, and only 1 type of data to be managed, so very few mallocs would be needed
01:20:53linuxstbIf very few mallocs are needed, why use a full malloc/free implementation?
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01:22:11kugelbecause it will be there, and no need to homebrew a custom management?
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01:24:26kugelwell, it's too much speculation anyway.
01:25:15kugelif the resize was forced static management will be just fine, maybe that's the way to go
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01:39:44soappixelma, re:"are these shirts for everyone" - I was going to only make 2-3 now. Once I establish a relationship with the embroidery person, though, set-up costs will be taken care of and the per-unit costs should be pretty cheap.
01:40:23pixelmadid I ask something about shirts?
01:41:17kugelpixelma: have you tried the patch I attached to ?
01:42:08pixelmanot yet
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01:46:15kugelpixelma: I'm curious if it fixes it for you too, and if you also experience the issue I mentioned
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02:18:41Unhelpfula bufalloc-like manager for plugin buffer, that could compact by moving the data associated with handles, might be better
02:19:57Unhelpfulkugel: i'm definitely inclined toward at *least* forcing resize for oversized images, and using an array of chunks big enough for the max size. it's potentially wasteful, but it can't fail later due to fragmentation
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02:28:17PSYCOTRIPis their any way to login to rockbox through telnet or get the console on your pc remotly
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02:28:53soapRockbox the software?
02:29:39PSYCOTRIPi just wanted to type on the console with a keyboard
02:30:09PSYCOTRIPmaby ipodlinux can do something like that...
02:30:51krazykitthere is no console in rockbox
02:31:02kugelUnhelpful: no, that's no solution, imo
02:33:51kugelI'd rather choose a reasonable always-resize size than wasting space on smaller images
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02:50:31webguest11can i know the number of people currently in the rockbox credits?
02:51:13agaffneythat's an odd question
02:51:52webguest11yes, i agree. but do you know the answer?
02:52:33cool_walking_The credits have a few teams listed, so you'd have to go to those projects and count them up, too.
02:52:59webguest11can i get a general range?
02:53:09webguest11is it like in the 200's or 300's or something?
02:53:57agaffneyyou can't go look at the page(s) and count yourself?
02:55:08cool_walking_441, and 22 teams.
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02:57:49webguest11thanks dudes
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03:11:19Unhelpfulkugel: aspect preservation means there will always be images that use less than the maximum.
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03:26:20rasherUnhelpful: is often/usually/always called with a patch as first argument. Again, no idea why this is done
03:29:49QuickStartwhen is the new release of rockbox going to be?
03:31:02LambdaCalculus37When it
03:31:22QuickStartsorry just wnated to know
03:31:27jhMikeSright after I finish up here :p
03:31:28LambdaCalculus37We try to do a release every three months.
03:31:45LambdaCalculus37You'll usually see a new release announcement on the front page and on the mailing list.
03:32:56*jhMikeS would like to know anyone's beast is misbehaving in any way after the SDMA addition
03:33:14*LambdaCalculus37 has to update
03:33:30*evilnick really has to stop thinking in terms of double entendre!
03:34:34*jhMikeS would then like to know if anyone updated ?? (it looks like that and LCD DMA shutoff might have bought an extra hour of life)
03:34:48LambdaCalculus37I'm going to roll a new build now.
03:36:02*LambdaCalculus37 starts the make process
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03:55:22LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: ROLO works on the beast, right?
03:56:55jhMikeSit should
03:57:04evilnickLambdaCalculus37: I believe so
03:58:47jhMikeSit should have definitely ROLOed by this point!
03:58:52LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: I'll be back in a few minutes, and I'll let you know how the beast is behaving.
03:58:59*LambdaCalculus37 went into Bootloader USB mode instead
03:59:18jhMikeSis it playing? if you got that far it's probably gonna be ok
04:00:00LambdaCalculus37jhMikes: I'll find out in a bit.
04:00:05*LambdaCalculus37 has something to do quickly
04:00:07LambdaCalculus37Back soon!
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04:17:36LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Playback seems to be fine on my best.
04:20:32jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: nice. thanks for checking too.
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04:21:13LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Anything to check for?
04:21:26LambdaCalculus37So far MP3 and MOD playback seem to be doing well.
04:21:50jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: I'm curious about something. Go to System|Debug|View HW Info. What's "Sys Rev Code"?
04:22:22LambdaCalculus37One moment.
04:22:37LambdaCalculus370x13 on mine.
04:23:07LambdaCalculus37Mine's an S60.
04:23:28jhMikeSmine too. I wonder if any beasts are 0x10.
04:23:42LambdaCalculus37evilnick: Ping!
04:23:48soapCould someone take a look at and tell me where I went wrong? I have this white frame around the logo i can't figure out how to remove in inkscape.
04:23:52jhMikeS0x13 = IMX31L rev 1.15
04:24:03evilnickSir yes sir. Fetching Beast now, Sir.
04:25:11LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Different revisions of the i.MX31?
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04:25:31*LambdaCalculus37 hears evilnick's beast growl in the other room
04:26:22evilnickIt was as well! Can someone send me a build? I'm using an unsupported one atm
04:26:31evilnickOr should I get this from the rockbox site?
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04:27:16LambdaCalculus37evilnick: I can send you one. For some odd reason, the version is "unknown", but I rolled it against r19980.
04:27:26LambdaCalculus37One moment; emailing it to you right now.
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04:28:56*LambdaCalculus37 sends evilnick a build
04:29:28LambdaCalculus37evilnick: Check your mail!
04:30:02jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: yep. there are many. the only concern is 1.0 vs. > 1.0 really. 0x10 = 1.0
04:30:24LambdaCalculus37Where's Davide-NYC when you need him? :)
04:31:40jhMikeSheh. with that problem, I wonder if the plain nk.bin can just be byte padded or something to make it big enough.
04:34:16LambdaCalculus37Do any other builds do that?
04:35:21jhMikeSwhat do you mean? it works with dual boot.
04:35:58jhMikeSI'm making a guess it just doesn't accept a really small file.
04:37:23LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: The beast complained when I first got it and attempted to load the Rockbox-only nk.bin onto it. I ended up having to recover it and use a patched nk.bin.
04:37:49LambdaCalculus37IIRC the Rockbox-only nk.bin was quite tiny... about 78.1 KB (I could be wrong, though).
04:37:52evilnickEr... what's the reset settings button on the beast?
04:38:14evilnickjhMikeS: I remember the nk.bin being around 70KB too there one? I think it might be the menu key.
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04:38:50jhMikeSyeah, it's about 70 or so
04:40:02LambdaCalculus37And the regular nk.bin is about 12MB.
04:40:36LambdaCalculus37That's a lot of padding. :)
04:40:41jhMikeSMine doesn't complain or else I would have dealt with it already. It never did.
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04:42:47evilnickjhMikeS: 0x13 for me too
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04:49:40jhMikeSevilnick: working alright then?
04:50:06evilnickYou want me to play music too? I'll report back in a sec
04:51:51jhMikeSok, thanks. just wanna make sure.
04:52:55LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: I'll try out video playback in the morning.
04:54:32evilnickogg/mp3/mpc all seem fine
04:55:10jhMikeSnot too urgent. if you got music ok, video probably works, but then I'm just paranoid there's some hidden surprise
04:57:21evilnickThe only slightly unexpected/unusual thing was when changing the crossfade settings, the "restarting playback" splash didn't show - is that normal for the beast?
04:59:28jhMikeSprobably, it won't take very long to do much of anything
05:00:03jhMikeSdid it have to spin the disk first?
05:01:18jhMikeShrm, it doesn't show at all. was it removed?
05:01:27evilnickThere was a gap in playback, but not very long at all.
05:02:04evilnickNot that I know of.
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05:03:23Beta2KMy Gigabeat is dead...
05:03:36Beta2KAt first I got no os on hard drive
05:03:46evilnickWhat model?
05:03:48Beta2KNow I'm getting 00000002 system error
05:04:01Beta2Kwith a 30gb ipood drive in it
05:04:14jhMikeSevilnick: It appears to be gone actually. I don't know when it was removed.
05:04:34evilnickAh, okay then. Mystery solved.
05:05:14Beta2KI'm wondering if one of the ribon wires broke :(
05:06:19evilnickBeta2K: Can you connect it to USB and see it from your PC?
05:07:10Beta2KBut I just found it
05:07:24Beta2KThe last 5 or 6 wires on the gigabeat cable are torn off
05:07:29Beta2KSo off to find my other one :)
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05:17:24lee321987anyone been using RB to charge their Sansa c200, and feels like their battery has not been harmed?
05:18:25Beta2KCrap no idea where it is...
05:18:41Beta2Klee321987: Don't got one sorry
05:19:40evilnickBeta2K: It's a standard USB cable; if you do find one, check out this forum post:
05:20:14Beta2Kevilnick: no no, the gigabeat's HD cable is broke
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05:20:48evilnickAh. That is more of a concern.
05:20:54Beta2KAfter I commented that I hoped the ribon cables where ok, I checked them and one the last 5-6 wires are tore off
05:21:08Beta2KI've got another here somewhere but I don't know where
05:21:30Beta2Kand I'm wondering now why the two adapters I needed at all...
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05:22:05Beta2KThe HD is ribon, the player is ribon, and in between it goes from ribon to pined, to ribon...
05:23:07LambdaCalculus37ZIF, eh? So the hard drive came from an iPod video?
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05:24:11Beta2Kand I put a adapter in
05:24:24Beta2KBut it doesn't quite fit in the F10-20 back
05:24:32Beta2KNeeds a F40-60 back
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05:24:57Beta2KSo now I'm wondering th epinout of the ata port onthe gigabeat and if it pins to ZIF
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05:42:50Beta2KAnyone know the pinout for the gigabeat f's board side ata connector is?
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06:09:44briarbrianhi everyone
06:11:38briarbrianI am having a bit of a problem. I loaded Rockbox into my Sansa e260 refurbished and it sometimes locks up and I have to hold down the power button for 15 seconds to turn it off then it will turn back on and then freezes and I cant access any files or database, radio, etc. any thoughts?
06:13:25Unhelpfulhrm, might be worth checking for filesystem trouble?
06:14:38briarbrianAlso with the sansa I have never been able to change the radio station on the player while in rockbox It in other words you cant adjust the tuner to find other radio stations, Now I can get it to search for presets and it does but I can get to it where I can adjust the radio station manually
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06:14:43_Auron_is the screen completely white?
06:14:51_Auron_oh, nm.
06:15:22briarbrianok sorry 1 thing at a time I forgot!! LOL Ok how do I check the filesystem?
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06:16:12Unhelpfulthe same way you check other filesystems for errors... in windows, i believe you right-click on the drive these days.
06:16:36briarbrianno the screen is working fine, it just locks up I can scroll between the files, database, recording, radio but when I hit the center button to go to the files, or music, etc. it wont go off the opening screen or do anything at all
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06:17:36briarbrianI tried running the chkdsk/f in the run programs but it would not run a dos window popped up and said it wasnt accessable....
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06:20:06briarbrianI dont know how to check any file ststems for errors never did that on my pc
06:20:39Unhelpfuldid you try going into "my computer" and right-clicking the drive?
06:20:48briarbriancan you tell me how and maybe I have done it but just didnt realize what I was doing? Im not all that pc litterate
06:21:15briarbrianyes I did go in and right click but nothing that says check for errors.
06:22:09saratogabriarbrian: that command line probably doesn't check your sansa for one thing
06:22:18saratogasince you didn't give it a drive letter
06:23:33briarbrianaaa I found it I went and did check for errors just now found it. I found it in properties. I clicked check for errors , it did and then closed the pop up box
06:24:01briarbrianyes I typed in the run command box chkdsk /f
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06:25:20saratogayeah you said that before
06:25:28saratogai just meant that it doesn't check your sansa
06:25:37briarbrianok i see
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06:28:38briarbrianwhen I check for errors should I check the "automatically fix file system errors" and the "scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors" box ?
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06:30:53briarbrianUnhelpful: when I check for errors should I check the "automatically fix file system errors" and the "scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors" box ?
06:31:17Unhelpfulbriarbrian: that's probably a good idea.
06:31:51briarbrianUnhelpful Ok I will run it now
06:33:48briarbrianUnhelpful: While it is running another question, I have an 8 gig microsd card, am I able to drag and drop music into that disk while in the Sansa? Or do I have to use a card reader to do it?
06:37:21Unhelpfulthe OF does not support SDHC, you will need to use a card reader to put files on a 8GB card.
06:39:40briarbrianUnhelpful: Ok thank you, The scan is complete and no pop up windows came up so I will have to try it over the next few days and see if it is fixed now.
06:39:55Unhelpfulgood luck
06:41:07briarbrianUnhelpful: Now the radio, I cannot use the forward and backward buttons to move the tuner, I only have presets and dont know how to change it so that I can use the FW BW buttons to adjust the tuner, you know change the station manually. Any ideas?
06:42:17Unhelpfulyes, hold the play/pause button briefly to switch to scan mode.
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06:47:04briarbrianUnhelpful: Yes I got that far but it wont let me change the station manually now
06:49:22Unhelpfulhrm, mine does. makes me wonder if there's something wrong with yours :/
06:50:42briarbrianUnhelpful I hold the play pause button and it changes from scan to preset but then how do I change the station what button do I press to go up and down the dial?
06:52:01Unhelpfulthe next/prev buttons work for me. the dial is volume control while in radio or the WPS.
06:54:27briarbrianUnhelpful: Yes thats what I thought my next/prev buttons dont go up or down the dial they dont do anything at all
06:59:57briarbrianthats while in the rockbox moce right? Or do you use your radio in the snasa mode?
07:02:02Unhelpfulno, i only use the sansa firmware to move files.
07:04:00briarbrianUnhelpful: No I mean when you listen to the radio on your sansa do you listen using the Rockbox firmware, or do you listen using the Sansa firmware?
07:04:36Unhelpfuli don't listen to the radio on it at all, really, but when i looked just now, to make sure i knew how it worked, i used rockbox.
07:06:37briarbrianUnhelpful: Ok yes when I listen to the radio using Rockbox, the next/prev buttons dont change the radio station at all. When I listen to the Radio using the Sansa firmware the next/prev buttons do change the station as it should. I guess if I do listen to the radio I will just have to use the Sansa firmware if I want to channel surf per say
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07:23:42briarbrianUnhelpful: Thanks for all your help I have played the sansa since you told me how to check the files and it hasnt acted up at all so far so thank you again for your help g'night
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10:59:09kadobanmoos: (for the logs, if you check them) I put that patch for Goban keypads on the tracker, FS #9897.
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11:20:44kadobanoh, moos...i just sent you a message for the logs :/ FS #9897 is the keypad changes we talked about. i'm build testing it one more time right now
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11:22:20mooskadoban: hi, ok will check...
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11:50:49alcoololoto dreamlayers and saratoga: {broadcom - videocore}
11:51:10alcoololohope it helps
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11:52:37B4gdernucleus is a rtos that runs on those cpus, how does it help anyone of us?
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11:55:25alcoololosorry, for FS #9787 - iPod 5G TV out
11:55:25B4gderyes but...
11:55:25B4gdernucleus is a rtos that runs on those cpus, how does it help anyone of us?
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11:56:37B4gderdid anyone try to disassemble the broadcom stuff as MIPS ?
11:58:25alcoololomaybe the libraries of that rtos can help to understand the architecture of the videocore
11:58:43alcoololomaybe it's a bad idea
11:59:03alcoololothey'll see
11:59:10alcoololohave a good day
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11:59:16B4gderbut what makes you think nucleus is used?
11:59:54*B4gder put that on the completely wild speculations list
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12:09:48Zagor"hey look, I found something on google that mentions broadcom"
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12:17:35DerPapstmaybe he knows more than he can tell :P
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12:35:51amiconnB4gder: Yes. The broadcom is definitely not mips. Looks like a proprietary architetcure. The architecture identifier in the .elf files is not publicly documented
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12:42:29linuxstbHas anyone thought about how to integrate the TV-Out work into Rockbox? e.g. treating it like a remote and using the screens API.
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12:46:20Zagorhas a "best working" resolution been found?
12:46:45pixelmaDerPapst: seen ?
12:47:48Qballwhat is a good mp3 player to buy if I want a good rockbox experience?
12:48:30daurnimatorQball: hard drive or flash?
12:48:51Qballpreferable with some form of memory card support
12:48:58QballListening to: The Beast - Milt Buckner (Blue Note Trip: Somethin' old)
12:49:03daurnimatorQball: sansa should be quite good really soon
12:49:10daurnimatorand please no np scripts in here :)
12:49:31Qballwhat one?
12:49:31daurnimatorwell, sansa is already really good, but the new gen ones should be completely supported soon
12:49:51QballI see the "fuse" e260, clip
12:49:56daurnimator(currently only the older models are fully supported)
12:50:03daurnimatorfuze :)
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12:50:17Qballpretty decently priced
12:50:27daurnimatordepends what you want: screen size, flash size, etc
12:50:43pixelma"Sansa" is a line of players, not all have memory card slots... I'd also recommend the BuyersGuide in the wiki
12:50:49daurnimatorI personally have a fuze...
12:51:28daurnimatorpixelma: nothing is currently in production :P
12:51:46QballI still have a perfectly fine zen
12:51:59Qballbut I rockbox is so tempting
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12:53:37Qballhmm 75Euro for sansea fuse 4g with radio and 4 gig mSD
12:53:53daurnimatorget the 8gb and an 8gb micro sd :P
12:54:08Qballand pay more cash
12:54:09daurnimatorreally, why NOT get an 8gb or 16gb micro sd, so damn cheap now
12:55:54daurnimatorok, not 16gb micro
12:55:58Qballif somebody would make a royal donation to gmpc
12:56:01QballI might be able to
12:56:03daurnimatorbut, 8gb is only $16 or so
12:56:27daurnimatorwhere 4gb is about $10
12:56:34Qballthis was an action
12:56:37Qball4gig for free
12:58:48Qballbah to expensive. I still have a perfectly fine creative zen.
12:59:14B4gderperfectly fine without rockbox? naaah
12:59:46QballB4gder: truth there
12:59:52Qballbut being poor student
13:01:30daurnimatori bet you I'm poorer :p
13:02:05Qballyou can't
13:02:10Qballyou don't have money
13:02:12Qballto make a bet
13:02:28daurnimatori can be possesions, or diginity
13:02:48Qballthat won't get me a mp3 player
13:05:21QballI see myself going to the store "I want a sansea fuze 4 gig + 4gig sd" can I pay with daurnimator's diginity
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13:22:17pyro_maniacQball: have you seen there you can get a 8GB Fuze for 75€
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13:24:49BdN3504get yourself a clip, it's supposedly the best player on the market (according to ABI)
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13:26:03B4gderit has the funniest screen!
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13:27:12DerPapstpixelma: yes. and his link to my acient patch that i haven't updated in ages.
13:27:41DerPapsti wonder if it is still wanted. because if so i'd have to add the keymaps for all the new targets.
13:27:41Qballit is awfully small.
13:28:08pixelmaDerPapst: I just think that quitting should be fixed first
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13:31:26DerPapstpixelma: i can look into it, though i'm not really familiar with the committed version of lamp.
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13:31:56pixelmawell, it looks like your hint a few weeks ago broke it
13:32:33DerPapstthen this is another bug revealed by my fix.
13:33:24DerPapstwithout the fix lamp didn't exit if the dap has been connected to usb for instance.
13:35:43Qballhmmm 90 for the 8 + 8gig
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13:52:55pixelmahmm... what do people think about things mentioned in the changelog in the manual which don't apply to the target this manual was made for? (E.g. swcodec enhancements in the hwcodec player manuals, RTC, quickscreen, ...). Currently there are no differences made but maybe it could be confusing to some?
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13:58:51gartralmorning all, i found a bug in brickmania on the e200s, it seems to react too some scrolling as hitting the center key, (rockets firing buy themselves, sticky padel releasing by itself when moving) is this known, i searches the tracker, no luck :/
14:01:25DerPapstpixelma: i'd add a sentence that the changelog applies to the entrire rockbox project and thus all daps.
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14:06:52linuxstbpixelma: Is that changelog maintained manually, or is it generated from somewhere?
14:11:59pixelmait has an own filled out changelog.tex in the source (as in "different to features.tex" which I know is generated in the build directory"), don't know how it was made. IIRC it was gevaerts' idea?
14:12:55GodEater_gevaerts will just blame perl
14:13:51linuxstbpixelma: Looking at the svn log for appendix/changelog.tex, it seems to be just a normal file, edited manually. So it would be nice to \opt the entries so that only applicable ones are listed.
14:15:37pixelmaI think so too. More work for Mr. Someone though ;)
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14:16:50linuxstbOr Ms. Someone ;)
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14:22:29moos haha :D yeah
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14:25:49DerPapstpixelma: the fix is easy... just remove if (IS_SYSEVENT(button)) line 204 from the lamp plugin. The whole check is wrong in the first place. ;)
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14:33:23Richlvgrr. i can't find a single rockbox supported device to purchase here
14:38:27*GodEater_ thinks eBay / Garage sales are probably the only places to get rockbox targets these days
14:38:32GodEater_or froobi if you're in the USA
14:39:21LambdaCalculus37GodEater_: Froobi seems to be out of v1 e200's now.
14:40:09GodEater_had to happen eventually though
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14:42:04GodEater_we need someone to get that exploit on the new ipods working for us
14:42:45LambdaCalculus37GodEater_: n1s has a 4th gen nano and is investigating it.
14:43:05linuxstbIs it known whether any of the newer ipods are running OS X (i.e. similar to the iphone/itouch), or if they use something else?
14:43:39GodEater_LambdaCalculus37: so I heard
14:43:48LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: No, they appear to be something else.
14:44:00linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: What makes you say that?
14:44:03GodEater_linuxstb: it's not *known" no - although someone in #ipl swore they were running OSX years back
14:44:11*LambdaCalculus37 should check out an iPod Classic firmware update again
14:44:18*GodEater_ thinks he heard this shortly after the classic came out
14:44:41LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: This is just speculation at the moment. I need to look into it further.
14:44:43GodEater_I can't imagine why they would be though, it seems grossly over kill for a "normal" ipod
14:44:59LambdaCalculus37It makes more sense on the Touch/iPhone.
14:45:49GodEater_certainly the images are different - planetbeing did take a peek a while back and said the structure isn't remotely similar to the iphone/touch
14:47:36LambdaCalculus37GodEater_: Is the structure still similar to the older iPods?
14:48:04linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: At least the 2nd gen Nano had a similar structure, I don't think I've looked at the others.
14:48:08GodEater_I believe so
14:48:40GodEater_I think they still have the OSOS header and whatknot in
14:48:53GodEater_easy enough to download and check LambdaCalculus37
14:48:55GodEater_get on it ;)
14:49:07LambdaCalculus37Yes sir. :)
14:49:20*GodEater_ waits for LambdaCalculus37 to click his bootheels
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14:49:37*LambdaCalculus37 clicks his bootheels and salutes
14:49:55*LambdaCalculus37 heads out to go get some Apple firmwares
14:53:14linuxstbLooking at both the 1G and 2G Classic firmwares, they look similar to the earlier ipods - the Apple "stop sign", and then various images - "rsrc", "osos", "aupd" and "hash" (earlier ipods had the first 3, I've no idea about the last).
14:53:53*GodEater_ didn't expect Jobs to start releasing stoner ipods, but apparently he underestimated him.
14:53:54linuxstbThe "rsrc" image looks like a FAT filesystem - on the 5g/5.5g this contained the Broadcom firmware, on the Nano, the Nike stuff.
14:54:30GodEater_someone needs to do a usb monitor on a firmware upgrade on the 3rd gen nano and later
14:54:36GodEater_and work out where the osos stuff ends up
14:54:41GodEater_since there's no firmware partition
14:54:55GodEater_poor Mr. Someone
14:55:25LambdaCalculus37What about USB monitoring a firmware upgrade on the 2nd gen nano?
14:55:33GodEater_well we know where it goes on that
14:55:47GodEater_but by all means :)
14:55:55GodEater_(btw, you forgot the Sir! stuff)
14:56:16LambdaCalculus37Sir, mostly because I want to see if I can catch some sight of the encryption information, sir! :D
14:56:27GodEater_good luck
14:56:35GodEater_I assume it'll get copied over verbatim
14:56:44GodEater_but of course we know what they say about assumptions
14:58:12linuxstbLooking at the contents of the rsrc filesystem, it seems to contain a lot of things - Nike things (wav files with voice samples), images/fonts, plus some games - e.g. Games/games_RO/12347/Executables/Vortex_3178305.bin
14:59:00linuxstbThat .bin file looks encrypted...
15:00:23LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: What about "osos" and "apud"? Any sort of interesting info in them?
15:00:47GodEater_they're encrypted
15:00:58*GodEater_ could have sworn this had been mentioned previously ;)
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15:02:12LambdaCalculus37GodEater: I refer to linuxstb's previous post about the firmware structure here:
15:02:12*GodEater_ is disappointed no-one laughed at his stoner joke
15:03:16GodEater_which contains the sentence : "But there are some differences. Firstly, the images are now prefixed with string "DNAN" instead of "!ATA", and secondly both the main firmware and the aupd image appear to be encrypted."
15:03:32linuxstbOn the Classic, the "!ATA" string is back.
15:03:43GodEater_probably as expected
15:03:47LambdaCalculus37I expected that.
15:04:29LambdaCalculus37I figure the 3rd and 4th gen nanos have the "DNAN" string.
15:04:51GodEater_you mean you haven't checked yet ? :)
15:05:44LambdaCalculus37GodEater_: Not at work. I downloaded the firmwares but can't look at them right now; there are Vogons out and about!
15:05:59GodEater_just offer to listen to their poetry
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15:06:16LambdaCalculus37GAH! No! :P
15:06:32GodEater_btw: stop sucking up to Cory ;)
15:07:24LambdaCalculus37GodEater_: Take it to the other channel. :P
15:07:47LambdaCalculus37I'll open up the 3G and 4G nano firmwares later on.
15:11:10*GodEater_ unzips the 3G Nano firmware
15:11:11linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: It would be useful to find a tool that can extract those four images from the Classic firmware update. I don't know if such a tool exists yet, or if Mr/Ms Someone would need to write it.
15:11:31linuxstbMaybe the linux4nano project, or IPL.
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15:12:06GodEater_DNAN is definitely back
15:12:32*GodEater_ grabs the 4G firmware to check there too
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15:13:13GodEater_there's a new file in that
15:13:21LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Mr Someone would have to write a tool. Or if iPL wants to help work on one.
15:13:39GodEater_N58s.bootloader.release.rb3 <−− not seen that before
15:13:51linuxstbIs that Rockbox v3?
15:13:59linuxstbKind of them ;)
15:14:17LambdaCalculus37GodEater_: Let's pick it apart. :)
15:15:34GodEater_it appears to contain some certificate details : "Apple iPod Certification Authority"
15:16:18GodEater_and the Firmware.MSE file in the zip still contains the same image format as previously
15:16:25GodEater_also with DNAN in it
15:16:28*linuxstb wonders if the new classics hibernate to disk, and if it would be possible to hack the saved image...
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15:16:58GodEater_think you're hoping for a bit much there
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15:18:33GodEater_there are quite a few more sections in the 4G firmware
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15:19:34linuxstbWell, it's something else to look at - it would mean removing the disk from an hibernated device.
15:19:39linuxstbHow big is the Firmware-X.Y.Z file?
15:20:09GodEater_there isn't one
15:20:13GodEater_it's called "Firmware.MSE"
15:20:30GodEater_it's 88M
15:20:31linuxstbWhat does the iphone/itouch firmware look like?
15:20:31LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: But the big problem is that the Classic is a bitch to open up.
15:21:24GodEater_"disk", "diag", "appl", "lbat", "dbsw", "dbhw", "chrg", "rsrc" and "osos" all seem to be in there
15:21:48GodEater_all prefixed with "DNAN"
15:22:47GodEater_linuxstb: I've never looked at a dump of the iphone firmware
15:22:51GodEater_it's enormous compared to the ipod ones
15:22:55GodEater_over three times the size
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15:24:08gartralthe touch and phone firmwares, fwiu, are the same, except for one locks the "phone" part when being installed too a touch...
15:24:16*GodEater_ revises this estimate - the iPhone firmware is 6 times the size of the ipod ones
15:24:20GodEater_and that's before decompression
15:24:24gartralitouch iphone*
15:24:44GodEater_gartral: why do they provide different files then ?
15:25:00LambdaCalculus37GodEater_: To make it easier for people?
15:25:02GodEater_I can't believe that's true - the touch doesn't even contain the right hardware for the phone stuff
15:25:19GodEater_LambdaCalculus37: easier how? It's done through iTunes
15:25:25GodEater_the user never sees the files
15:26:12GodEater_the iPhone firmware file contains a bunch of OSX .dmg files
15:26:25GodEater_I don't think I have anything on my linux box which will reliably extract from those
15:27:04LambdaCalculus37GodEater_: How large are the .dmg files?
15:27:10GodEater_just looking
15:27:27GodEater_two are 25M, one is 200M
15:28:34*GodEater_ caveats again - I'm looking at the 2.2.1 release for the 3G
15:28:38GodEater_haven't looked at any others
15:28:45linuxstbGodEater_: Interesting that disk, diag and appl are there. Those images are what were stored in flash (NOR) on the ipods we support.
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15:29:13GodEater_linuxstb: I assumed as much
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15:29:22GodEater_wonder if they're encrypted too
15:30:23ZagorGodEater: dmg files are disk images. you can mount them using the loopback device.
15:30:55GodEater_Zagor: I think I've tried this before, and it's not quite that simple
15:31:14GodEater_*some* .dmg files are like that, but some have other meta-data in them too
15:31:45Zagorit's not just the hfs/hfsplus difference?
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15:33:07GodEater_running 'file' on them doesn't recognise them as HFS images
15:33:58Zagorapparently some are zlib compressed. could that be it?
15:34:13GodEater_I used a tool called "HFSExplorer" to open them last time I needed to
15:34:16GodEater_let me try that again
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15:36:15Zagorhere's a tool that converts a compressed dmg to a normal one:
15:37:07Zagorthe readme for that indicates linux only handles uncompressed dmg files
15:37:20GodEater_hfsexplorer handles the lot
15:37:27GodEater_only not in this case it seems :(
15:37:31GodEater_it won't open these ones
15:37:37Zagoryeah, but it's a ... gui
15:37:58GodEater_feel free to try this yourself ;)
15:38:05GodEater_I've already been down the dmg2img route
15:38:06GodEater_didn't work
15:38:50Zagorthat's the great thing about having your own file format: you can abuse it anyway you like and not have to tell anyone..:-)
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15:40:34GodEater_I imagine it's that these are encrypted too
15:42:14DerPapsti'd guess that everything is encrypted and the only not encrypted code is in some ROM sitting inside the cpu. the image on the flashrom is encrypted too
15:42:42GodEater_it might be worth grabbing the xpwn code and seeing what that tells us
15:42:56GodEater_assuming we're really interested in the iphone firmware contents
15:43:01*GodEater_ forgot why we were looking now
15:43:19linuxstbReading about the iphone hacking, it seems there's a hardware AES coprocessor built into the CPU, which has a "GID key" (shared by all devices) and "UID key" (unique to the device). It would seem likely that the ipods have something very similar.
15:43:33linuxstbI don't understand how the iphone hacking works though...
15:43:41GodEater_nor me
15:43:49GodEater_planetbeing is a lot cleverer than me =/
15:44:14GodEater_I didn't even understand what he said when he tried to explain it to me
15:44:20GodEater_my crypto knowledge is close to 0
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16:01:34Soap-N810Minimal order on Rockbox shirts is 4. Anyone who qualifies for a cloak can PM me on the forums with male shirt size to be entered in a raffle for the extra.
16:02:12mcuelenaereAnyone else experiencing this bug when exiting out of the buffering thread debug menu that the status bar doesn't get refreshed?
16:02:31Soap-N810*male _American_ shirt size
16:02:52LambdaCalculus37Soap-N810: Just curious... do the shirts run big/small/normal sized?
16:07:34evilnick_7mcuelenaere: I've noticed that in a few places, but mostly on exiting plugins
16:07:55mcuelenaereoh ok, so it's known behaviour?
16:10:41LambdaCalculus37I've noticed it to when switching from the WPS to the file view.
16:11:03evilnick_7mcuelenaere: I hadn't explicitly mentioned it before today, so you might be the first to bring it up on IRC.
16:11:29*mcuelenaere looks for a bug report
16:12:10mcuelenaereFS #9817 looks similar
16:12:20LambdaCalculus37I notice it the most on my beast.
16:12:51evilnick_7LambdaCalculus37: Try playing that new Goban game and then exiting
16:13:49*LambdaCalculus37 fires up his beast
16:14:40LambdaCalculus37evilnick_7: I just noticed it.
16:14:53LambdaCalculus37The very top of the screen doesn't refresh when entering the menu.
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16:17:05ShoeflySorry if I'm interrupting something, but I was just wondering.. Is there something fundamentally different (better) in the way Rockbox plays my music (decoding of the mp3's for example)? It's just that my music sounds a lot better when I'm running the Rockbox firmware.. clearer, more defined. I mean, the D/A-conversion is the same between the original and Rockbox, right?
16:18:21linuxstbShoefly: Rockbox is a completely different firmware, so it will naturally do things differently to the original firmware. But we don't know exactly what the original firmware is doing, so can't say what Rockbox does differently.
16:18:32ZagorShoefly: yes but we use a different mp3 decoder
16:19:04Zagorlossless should sound pretty much the same in rockbox and of
16:19:21Shoeflyand this decoder makes the music sound better?
16:19:26Shoeflyobjectively speaking? :P
16:19:54Zagorif you think it does, it does. I don't think anyone has tried to measure it objectively.
16:20:32GodEater_I don't think it's *possible* to do so objectively
16:20:38GodEater_how would you define "better" ?
16:20:38Shoeflyok. but there isn't anything else that would make a difference?
16:21:00Shoeflyno, I was joking about the objectivity.
16:21:40Shoeflybut it might be that this decoder was known to be better than Apple's proprietary one
16:21:58GodEater_again, define "better" :)
16:22:11Shoeflyhehe, ok. :P I get your point.
16:22:18GodEater_beauty is in the ear of the beholder ;)
16:22:22GodEater_or something
16:22:26ZagorShoefly: I can at least say that you're not the first to say we sound better than OF.
16:22:40Zagorotoh we've also heard claims of the opposite :-)
16:22:44GodEater_there are others who think we sound like a bag of shit ;)
16:22:53Shoeflyhm. well I don't!
16:23:01GodEater_excellent news :)
16:23:02gartralisnt the quote "flaming bag of shit"?
16:23:07Shoeflyso, thanks. ;)
16:23:20GodEater_gartral: it's on the wiki on the GoldenQuotes page
16:23:45GodEater_and no, it's not a flaming bag of shit
16:23:51GodEater_just a regular one
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16:24:29gartralin the case on the e200s firmware, rockbox defiantly sounds better, and it's music too my ears, literally!
16:24:48kadobanGodEater_: well, you guys will just have to try harder...with a little work it can sound like a flaming one :)
16:25:03GodEater_kadoban: it's easy, just set your DAP on fire first
16:25:10kadobanahh, good point
16:25:37Qballon my philips rockbox deff. sounded equal or better.
16:25:49Qballthe better could be the switch from mp3 to flac
16:26:08*Qball listened to it using high-end headphone
16:26:11GodEater_yes, it's not fair to compare lossless to lossy
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16:26:31Qballwell old one did not do lossless
16:26:53GodEater_which is why it's not fair to compare it
16:27:00scorche|shcan we just stop with the "better" comments? ;) ...the compliments are nice, but it is a bit useless without objective evidence
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16:28:57GodEater_way to kill a conversation scorche|sh ;)
16:29:10scorche|shits a talent =)
16:30:36Qballif you want I can probly setup a blind test one day
16:30:54GodEater_the only person it will tell anything to is you
16:31:08Qballugh I won't be the one listening :D
16:31:11GodEater_so by all means do it if *you* are interested
16:31:14QballI agree it is subjective
16:31:45QballI do have access to equipment to measure SNR THD THD+N
16:31:53Qballbut on an mp3 player you know it is lousy
16:31:55evilnick_7Isn't there that application that shows graphs of the outputted audio? ISTR a thread linked to yesterday. Audiomark or something?
16:31:56Qballesp the last 2
16:33:06Qball <−− anybody looking for nice headphones
16:33:34gartralQball: that belongs in #rockbox-community
16:33:35scorche|shQball: please stay on topic...this channel is abut rockbox and rockbox only
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16:38:34kadobanI'm looking at what I can do since the goban plugin doesn't fit in RAM on archos/ondio. Am I correct in thinking that if i use the overlay business I won't be able to grab the audio buffer in my plugin? (since it'll already be grabbed)?
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16:40:45linuxstbI'm sure you can grab it, but you may need to do it differently. You can look at the gnuchess or rockboy source to see if you can find out how they do it.
16:41:11kadobanalright, thanks...i'll take a harder look
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16:50:52RichlvLambdaCalculus37, ebay refuses to ship to my location from usa
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16:57:01LambdaCalculus37Richlv: Then get a contact in the USA to accept the package for you and then forward it.
17:00:05RichlvLambdaCalculus37, oh, that is possible, but seems to be a bit too much for a music player :)
17:00:09Richlvi read that "In a bid to gain some street cred, SanDisk has contacted the Rockbox community to see if they would be interested in porting their software to the e200 series."
17:00:30Richlvthat kinda puts sandisk on the "good" companies list, even though not all models are supported by rockbox
17:01:07gevaertsRichlv: that (and giving some players) is about all they've done though. No datasheets, no documentation...
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17:18:43low_lightwho can help me with the backlight fading defines?
17:19:20low_lightthe hdd1630 has both hw on/off and a separate brightness setting
17:19:39*mcuelenaere also needs help on those
17:24:12low_lighthmm...the D2 seems similar and uses BACKLIGHT_FADING_SW_HW_REG
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18:27:16Beta2KAnyone around who can help with a Gigabeat F?
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18:29:35LambdaCalculus37Beta2K: Fire away and let the answers come to you.
18:30:22Beta2KIs the ribon connector on the board pin compatible with ZIF HD cables?
18:30:41Beta2KI know the pitch isn't the same
18:31:07Beta2KBut I have a ribon for a ZIF-LIF adapter here that adapts the pitch
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18:48:45jaykayBigbambi: did you change anything in the manual since yesterday?
18:56:35toffe82Beta2K: no
18:57:19toffe82Beta2K: check the wiki , you need an adapter to install a zif drive in a F
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18:58:02LambdaCalculus37The X has a ZIF connector for the hard drive, as does the S. The F is a pin connector.
18:58:22LambdaCalculus37Beta2K: Did you break the cable that connects the hard drive to the mainboard?
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20:13:40BigBambijaykay: No, the pdfs I put on flyspray are the latest
20:13:54jaykayok, thanks
20:14:06BigBambijaykay: 9895
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20:16:15jaykaywhy is the ipodvideo manual so much bigger than others?
20:16:40gevaertsbigger screenshots
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20:20:07linuxstbBigBambi: Looking at the ipod video manual, I wouldn't agree with the "Supported hardware versions" section - "ipod video" is just the 5g/5.5g. I agree the Classic should be mentioned there though.
20:21:54BigBambilinuxstb: Yes, good point. I'll clarify what the 5/5.5g is
20:22:11linuxstbBigBambi: Another comment - s/If you have configured iTunes to/If iTunes is configured to/ But if we are writing "Ipod" we should also write "Itunes"...
20:22:42BigBambilinuxstb: Yep (I copy and pasted both of these :))
20:23:17linuxstbOr maybe "If you have Itunes installed and it is configured to..."
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20:26:13jaykaydamned wrong channel, sorry
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20:28:05BigBambilinuxstb: Perhaps "The Video is the 5th/5.5th generation Ipod only." and then the classic bit?
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20:30:16*linuxstb reads and sees that Apple don't use the term "ipod video", just "iPod (5th generation)" and "iPod (5th generation late 2006)"...
20:30:53BigBambilinuxstb: And about iTunes, I guess so - I'm not a fan of Ipod, but if that is the decision then yes, I guess it hould be Itunes
20:31:20BigBambilinuxstb: Interesting (the naming), but that is a wider issue
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20:36:55jaykayis the latest vmware image able to build manuals?
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20:37:51BigBambijaykay: I don't know, but it isn't very recent
20:37:59BigBambiI wouldn't be surprised if it couldn't
20:38:59jaykaythe wiki says in VMwareDevelopmentPlatform "A new image is being distributed that enables to compile the manual", i dont know whether that means that the new image is already uploaded or just being created...
20:39:28BigBambiWhen was that written?
20:39:53BigBambiEasiest way is just to try it
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20:41:40gevaertsThat line is old. In june 2007 the "What does this mean?" bit was removed after it
20:42:08gevaertsIt was added in april 2006
20:46:28BigBambilinuxstb: any other comments?
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20:58:34pyro_maniachey there, I've got a problem. I compiled loff() into my build but I ve got no screen so could I enable debug in an other way?
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21:00:03gevaertspyro_maniac: you don't need to enable logf from any menu. You do need to enable it in all files where you want it actually used though
21:00:09gevaertshm, or maybe you do...
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21:00:13*gevaerts can't remember
21:00:55gevaertspyro_maniac: IIRC low_light has done early logf to help get new ports going. Maybe he has useful advice
21:01:11pyro_maniacthe wiki say I have to
21:01:51gevaertsthen you have to. I wrote that bit...
21:02:22gevaertshowever, it's probably easy to change the code a bit to enable it at all times
21:02:45pyro_maniacok I will see
21:04:06gevaertspyro_maniac: look in firmware/usb.c. Line 288 needs to be changed to USB_DRIVER_SERIAL I think
21:05:25gevaertsEither that or add a USB_DRIVER_SERIAL line if you want both mass storage and serial at the same time
21:07:56pyro_maniacok I try USB_DRIVER_SERIAL first
21:09:57gevaertspyro_maniac: don't forget the appropriate vendor= and product= parameters for the usbserial module
21:11:12pyro_maniacgevaerts: there are the parameters of the h10. this should work
21:12:10gevaertsthey need to match whatever is in the config_*.h you're using, so if you're doing a h10 build the h10 numbers should work, yes
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21:18:05pyro_maniachmm, there is still no ttyUSB
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21:18:59gevaertsdoes lsusb show something?
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21:19:39pyro_maniacjepp, there is a h10 in the list
21:23:29pyro_maniaceven after reregister the module in the kernel
21:24:23gevaertscan you run lsusb -v -d <the h10's vendor/device ID> and pastebin the output?
21:24:40bertrikare the ondas supposed to compile cleanly yet?
21:25:11gevaertsbertrik: I seem to remember mcuelenaere saying that they need a newer gcc that produces lots of warnings
21:26:09mcuelenaereyes + the code is not really clean
21:27:09bertrikI get a lot of link errors for the 747 and a missing CPUFREQ_NORMAL compile error for the 767
21:27:37mcuelenaerewell the 767 probably won't compile currently
21:27:46mcuelenaerethere's still a lot of code in my local tree which is uncommitted
21:28:14pyro_maniacgevaerts: is there any other then pastebin? I can't connect to pastebin
21:28:33bertrikok. I was just trying to compile some various targets.
21:28:40mcuelenaereah ok
21:28:49*mcuelenaere was just going to ask that :)
21:29:18gevaertspyro_maniac: lots of them. may work today
21:29:26*bertrik only has sansas
21:33:04gevaertspyro_maniac: that clearly only has the CHARGING_ONLY interface. try replacing the USB_DRIVER_CHARGING_ONLY on line 275 with USB_DRIVER_SERIAL
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21:43:56pyro_maniacgevaerts: can you tell me where you have seen, that the device is in charging mode only?
21:44:58gevaertspyro_maniac: it has a single interface which is Vendor Specific. That's our charging only driver
21:45:58gevaertspyro_maniac: also, it would help if you didn't paste some weird unicode character before my nick. It prevents my irc client from properly waking me up :)
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21:48:24pyro_maniacgevaerts: sorry for the unicode. here is the new lsusb but still no ttyUSB
21:49:00gevaertspyro_maniac: it is better though "CDC Data
21:49:09gevaerts" is USB-speak for "serial"
21:50:02pyro_maniachmm maybe my system is miss something?
21:50:56gevaertsare you running "modprobe usbserial vendor=0x0b70 product=0x00ba" ?
21:51:30gevaertsMaybe first rmmod usbserial to make sure. Maybe there's still one loaded so the new parameters don't stick?
21:51:56gevaertsIt should see the device...
21:54:12pyro_maniacgevaerts: Feb 12 21:52:27 obiwan kernel: [ 4157.836892] usbcore: deregistering interface driver usbserial_generic
21:54:12pyro_maniacFeb 12 21:52:27 obiwan kernel: [ 4157.836949] /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial deregistering driver generic
21:54:12pyro_maniacFeb 12 21:52:27 obiwan kernel: [ 4157.836981] usbcore: deregistering interface driver usbserial
21:54:56pyro_maniacsorry that should only show that I deregistered and registered it
21:55:22pyro_maniacnow I have got ttyUSB0
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21:56:54pyro_maniacgevaerts: after the cu command only comes "Connected." and nothing else. what can I do now?
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21:56:59gevaertsNow you just have to enable logf() everywhere you want output.
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21:57:55gevaertsYou do that by defining LOGF_ENABLE *before* including logf.h. See firmware/usbstack/usb_core.c for an example
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21:58:45gevaertsYou can also add some sort of commands to firmware/usbstack/usb_serial.c. Look for the TODO comment in there
21:59:12gevaertshm, also you need to enable logf in configure...
21:59:26*gevaerts forgot almost all necessary steps
22:00:00pyro_maniachmm ok
22:00:09pyro_maniacI will have a look
22:00:27pyro_maniacthanks for help
22:00:38gevaertsOnce you have the basics working you can start adding lots and lots of debug output :)
22:01:19pyro_maniacand how can I ema
22:01:39pyro_maniachow can I enable logf in configure?
22:01:41gevaertschoose "advanced"
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22:03:22mcuelenaerepyro_maniac: or just change #undef ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF to #define ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF in your autoconf.h
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22:04:44pyro_maniacand this enables logf in alle components?
22:05:08casainhohello :-)
22:05:45casainhoI am getting a panicf "Stkov main" but I can't find it on the code... can someone please tell me where is it?
22:05:51mcuelenaerepyro_maniac: no, for that you'll need to edit logf.h
22:05:59mcuelenaerebut I don't recommend doing that, it gives a lot of clutter
22:06:01casainhoand why I am getting this panicf?
22:06:12mcuelenaerecasainho: that means you're having a Stack overflow
22:06:17gevaertspyro_maniac: no. It just enables the mechanism. If you want to enable it for all files I'd add "-DLOGF_ENABLE" to EXTRA_DEFINES in the makefile. Be prepared for huge amounts of output then though
22:06:24mcuelenaerecasaainho: it's in thread.c or kernel.c
22:07:02casainhomcuelenaere: can you please guess why my stack is overflow?
22:07:04*gevaerts has done this global enabling once to see what would happen. It's a good way to stresstest usb serial
22:07:10casainhomcuelenaere: thanks :-)
22:07:33mcuelenaereperhaps something wrong in the way you set up your stack or something with thread switching?
22:09:16casainhois this line responsible for the test?: if (UNLIKELY(thread->stack[0] != DEADBEEF))
22:09:49pyro_maniacgevaerts: is it that much that you can stress the usb serial? I have much time at the weekend so I will try to look at it
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22:10:30xxMaEstrOxxHello ;)
22:10:32mcuelenaerecasainho: yes
22:10:35gevaertspyro_maniac: it should work fine actually. It's just way too much to make sense of
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22:12:46pyro_maniacgevaerts: now I am exited but I still hope to get this device ported with my small skills
22:13:04xxMaEstrOxxI compile Sansa fuze rockbox with bootloader
22:13:22xxMaEstrOxxits not dangerus whane I upload this to my fuze?
22:13:35xxMaEstrOxx*sorry, when
22:14:50casainhomcuelenaere: ok, I will see my C Startup, since there the stack is deadbeefed :-)
22:15:23mcuelenaereI'm not sure whether the problem is in your C startup as this should have appeared sooner in that case, shouldn't it?
22:17:05casainhoyes, thats true... but I was having some problems here and I changed my scritp...
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22:28:10pyro_maniacgevaerts: how can I read out the device? or have I to set some debugs?
22:29:08gevaertspyro_maniac: logf() output should get sent to the serial link, so cu should show the output. Anything more you'll have to build yourself
22:29:20casainhomcuelenaere: oh, stackoverflow problem is gone :-)
22:29:33mcuelenaerehow did you solve it?
22:29:42casainhomcuelenaere: I can see the main menu on LCD, however, "bricked" :-)
22:29:53mcuelenaerethat's nice :)
22:30:06casainhowell, I did copy the code from Sansa V2 and I had to adapt for my case
22:30:12xxMaEstrOxxI have a problem, i compile Sansa Fuze Rockbox with Bootloader
22:30:23xxMaEstrOxxthats a not dangerus when i load this RB to fuze?
22:30:48pyro_maniacgevaerts: so a have to send something to logf and that automaticaly send it via cu? because until now there came nothing after "Connected."
22:30:51xxMaEstrOxxi only like to play a games, i know, music don;t work
22:31:07casainhonow I can see on LCD "BAterry empty! - RECHARGE - shuting down... :-( −− but this screen is ok... and the main menu weren't... why?
22:31:54mcuelenaereyes, I have that too on my Onda
22:32:02mcuelenaerethat's because there's something wrong with battery management
22:32:09mcuelenaereyou're giving a too low value
22:32:13krazykitxxMaEstrOxx, it's possible that it's dangerous, as (as i recall) there's no recovery mode.
22:32:17xxMaEstrOxxcasainho, did you have a RB for your Sansa V2 firmware?
22:32:23casainhoI just have empty stubs on battery management...
22:32:28xxMaEstrOxxi know that
22:32:32xxMaEstrOxxbut only for games
22:32:32mcuelenaerethen you'll need to implement them
22:32:39casainhoxxMaEstrOxx: no, no!!!!!
22:32:44gevaertspyro_maniac: that's what *should* happen, yes. I haven't tried usb logf in a while though
22:33:11gevaertsxxMaEstrOxx: the Fuze port is not at all ready for end users yet
22:33:23casainhoxxMaEstrOxx: I don't have a Sansa V2, I don't care about it...
22:34:04xxMaEstrOxxi must know that because i have a finished firmware and bootloade
22:34:16pyro_maniacgevaerts: so thanks again until here. now I will try to learn it and get this running.
22:34:49xxMaEstrOxxMy friend compile Sansa Clip RB, music don;t work, but games work good
22:35:45casainhoxxMaEstrOxx: I am working on my own hardware player :-) :
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22:35:58gevaertspyro_maniac: my next step would something like changing usb_serial.c to add usb_serial_send()
22:36:20xxMaEstrOxxUlala, nice work casainho!!
22:36:31gevaertspyro_maniac: my next step would something like changing usb_serial.c to add usb_serial_send("test\n",5); to usb_serial_transfer_complete() at the TODO marker. Then press enter some times in cu and see if you get anything back
22:36:42xxMaEstrOxxrockbox and 24hours life battery....:D
22:37:44xxMaEstrOxxanybody work for sansa fuze here?
22:37:49jhMikeSgevaerts: go tap on your metronome now!
22:37:53pyro_maniacgevaerts: ok I will try this at next
22:37:58rwong18 hours on my sansa e280 is already too much lol
22:38:06casainhoxxMaEstrOxx: eheh :-) −− I hope that in the end it will have batteries :-)
22:38:16scorchexxMaEstrOxx: the port is mainly for developers only at the moment and isnt ready for end users as we have trying to tell you...
22:38:19rwongi always end up plugging it in to add some songs or scrobble to before i use up 18 hours :(
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22:39:19xxMaEstrOxxok i understand
22:39:41xxMaEstrOxxbu games not work fine? Any Plugin Etc?
22:39:50xxMaEstrOxxThat version Like a crash sometimes?
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22:42:23gevaertsjhMikeS: now if I were actually a metronome user... ;)
22:43:53jhMikeSwell, become one :)
22:44:24gevaertsxxMaEstrOxx: as long as it's not declared ready for end users, there won't be a tested bootloader, and any revision could break the bootloader so that it bricks the device.
22:45:17xxMaEstrOxxohoho, nice
22:45:55xxMaEstrOxxBut Beta rb for CLIP work fine, my friend compile that
22:46:18LloreanIt's not beta. It's just incomplete.
22:46:35gevaertsnice has nothing to do with it. It's a basic fact. For supported players where a bad bootloader bricks the device we release a carefully tested binary bootloader. Any other bootloaders are dangerous
22:46:41LloreanIt may work fine sometimes, but other times is may not work at all, or cause damage to your files or the player.
22:47:56casainhoI would like to share the first images of firmware:
22:48:18casainhothis one should be the main menu:
22:48:33casainhocan someone please guess why it isn't correct?
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22:49:17xxMaEstrOxxLCD driver?
22:49:56bertrikthe lcd width setting seems incorrect, causing each line to be skewed with respect to the previous one
22:50:20casainhobertrik: thanks.
22:50:43n1sUnhelpful: around?
22:50:49casainhobut, why other images works correctly? like the show_logo()?
22:50:59Unhelpfuln1s: for the moment. something i can help with? :)
22:51:11bertrikcasainho, good question, I don't know
22:51:21casainhowell, there is one question...
22:51:36casainhomy LCD drivers draws 2 pixels at a time...
22:52:00casainhois there a chance that driver needs to draw 1 pixel at a time?
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22:52:06n1sUnhelpful: no, just a thought: if performance is important (or an issue) in the pictureflow plugin it might be worth building with more compiler optimizations like O2
22:52:08bertrikmaybe the problems occurs only when you blit something smaller than the screen width
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22:53:12Unhelpfuln1s: ah! i assume it's building with -Os? it's able to render 35+ fps on my e200, which is the slowest thing i have
22:53:43casainhomy pacth is here, can some one give a look at the LCD driver?
22:53:44n1swell, it uses the same O as the core build so that is Os for coldfire and plain O for arm
22:54:10n1sonly plugins with their own makefiles change compiler flags now
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22:55:26Unhelpfulat some point, i should clean up my "accurate frames-rendered-per-second patch", and have somebody try it out on other targets.
22:56:46amiconnIs the pf-for-non-aa-targets patch committed now?
22:56:50jhMikeShopefully picture flow performance isn't lagging on the S
22:57:02amiconn(i.e. does the m:robe100 now have pf?)
22:57:37Unhelpfulamiconn: yes, i did that a week or two ago, i think... before i started on the renderer rewrite
22:58:23jhMikeSjust turn it into open GL, it'll be much easier if you just use a standard library :p
22:59:03*Unhelpful isn't coding opengl sw rendering for *any* of our targets :P
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22:59:27n1scome on, it'll be fun!
22:59:33gevaertsUnhelpful: the S may be able to do hw rendering!
23:00:06amiconnSo the remaining todo is to remove the buffering api dependency
23:00:11Unhelpfulgevaerts: i thought the S had the variant with only image processing...
23:00:37jhMikeSgevaerts: nope, IMX31 has the accelerator but the IMX31L doesn't
23:01:36gevaertsjhMikeS: are they pin compatible? Maybe you can mod your beast?
23:01:40Unhelpfulimx31 *can* accelerat most of mpeg1/2 though, i think?
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23:02:39jhMikeSgevaerts: Then after that, all I need to do is RE the binary-only MBX driver. eek! But, yes, they are.
23:02:55n1s"someone" should implement tv out on the beast so we can use that accelerated mpeg playback for HD video?
23:03:16jhMikeSsomeone is planning it
23:04:02jhMikeSMPEG decoding is still SW, color "conversion" (if you could call a native YUV framebuffer that) is what's in HW
23:05:01UnhelpfuljhMikeS: i thought the IPU had IDCT and some mocomp support? and i know it had some deblock/denoise filters, those would be nice to use, as well
23:05:09n1sthat color "conversion" is taking a fair bit of cpu cycles, right?
23:05:25jhMikeShmmm, if it does, how'd did I miss that one?
23:05:38amiconnYUV->RGB conversion is what kills video performance on the Grt5
23:05:43amiconnEhh, G5
23:05:57jhMikeSYUV->RGB is about 50% of video frame decoding time
23:06:22jhMikeSmaybe a bit less but it's not insignificant
23:06:41UnhelpfuljhMikeS: i could be wrong. the docs i saw were unclear and sometimes contradictory, with thing said like "can decode AVC without any CPU usage" and then "can accelerate the loop filter of AVC, with the rest of decoding performed on CPU"
23:06:53bertrikcasainho, maybe you need to handle odd widths too in the lcd_update_rect function
23:07:20Unhelpfuln1s: it involves quite a few multiplies, and also saturated math :/
23:07:50jhMikeSUnhelpful: I've hardly had a thorough read of the IPU stuff yet.
23:08:33UnhelpfuljhMikeS: the doc i saw had no real details on programming the IPU, and swung wildly back and forth between reading like a spec sheet, and like an absurdly enthusiastic piece of marketing.
23:08:55jhMikeSUnhelpful: Largely I'd say freescale didn't want you to succeed in programming an IMX31 device without paying them given the state of the docs.
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23:14:59jhMikeSUnhelpful: MCIMX31RM.pdf is the one with IPU details (internal memory formats and such).
23:15:50Unhelpfulah. well, if that one says nothing about IDCT or mocomp, i'm guessing either we can't do it, or we can't do it without paying them
23:16:50jhMikeSI'm just not aware of that being part of it. There's an MPEG-4 encoder and deblocking functionality.
23:18:25bertrikcasainho, the *addr++ doesn't look quite right
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23:39:29kugellow_light (for the logs): I guess I'm the man to ask about se backlight fading
23:42:09domonoky1bertrik: wouldnt "*addr++;" increment the content of addr, instead of moving the pointer ?
23:43:55Bagderit'll return the contents of *addr and then increase the pointer
23:44:23domonoky1ah, which is nice if you dont use the content :-)
23:44:46Bagderthen it is just weird ;-)
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23:46:06casainhookok - I will remove the "*"...
23:46:22casainhodomonoky is being help me with this code :-)
23:46:41bertrikand you need the increment addr _after_ you used it to retrieve a pixel
23:47:44casainhook, it works on the same way
23:48:39casainhobertrik: see here last version:
23:48:54casainhoI think domonoky alread told me to do that and is ok now....
23:49:30bertrikcasainho, so it works now?
23:49:55bertrikI mean, you can see the main menu correct now?
23:50:40casainhoyes I can
23:51:04casainhobut, because ofthis hack: x = 0; y = 0; width = LCD_WIDTH; height = LCD_HEIGHT;
23:51:13casainhodomonoky told me that ;-)
23:51:50Bagderthat update loop certainly has room for improvements, speedwise
23:52:41bertrikcasainho, oh so you're not really doing partial screen updates, but always a full screen update. It's a lot slower, but it works :)
23:52:53casainholooks like so
23:53:05casainhoI have another problems to resolve
23:53:20casainholike, the firmware do not working if loaded by the bootloader
23:53:46casainho2nd - we don't have buttons nor audio hardware nor drivers...
23:55:19casainhowell, I am sure everyone knows very well the main menu, but here it goes ;-)
23:55:24Bagderof course that can do rect updates, it doesn't set the x,y positions properly between with width-full
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23:56:19Bagderit moves the read pointer but not the output position
23:56:35bertrikoutput position?
23:56:47Bagderlike if you update 25% of a width
23:57:17bertrikI assume it's auto-incrementing and wrapping within the window set up earlier
23:57:37Bagderright, but it needs to be "moved" between each pixel row of 25% width
23:58:08Bagderwhich is why this works fine for 100% width
23:58:23bertrikno, I don't think it has to, would be terribly efficient, but I haven't read much of the controller datasheet I admit
23:58:55Bagderbut how would the lcd know where on the screen the pixel is?

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