| 00:00:53 | linuxstb | I wouldn't imagine it's that hard - that scsi command is well documented here - http://www.ipodlinux.org/wiki/Device_Information |
| 00:01:43 | linuxstb | There are possibly other commands, but we can simply log the requests in Rockbox, and see what a real ipod says in return. |
| 00:02:04 | Bagder | that'd be a fun hack! |
| 00:02:18 | rasher | Yeah, it seems like a fairly straight-forward project (on the surface, anyway) |
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| 00:02:31 | amiconn | iriver, m:robe100, beast, sansa... |
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| 00:05:27 | kugel | yea, I desperately need obfuscated filenames |
| 00:06:08 | midgey | think of it as a new type of shuffle mode |
| 00:06:39 | rasher | kugel: Obviously not everyone would want it. I wouldn't, but I still think it'd be a very neat addition |
| 00:06:42 | linuxstb | kugel: It's one of those "because we can" things... |
| 00:07:05 | kugel | ah I see, of course it would be nice :) |
| 00:07:24 | kadoban | if you can detect that you're talking to iTunes, maybe there'd be a way to automatically map those obfuscated filenames into something more real, at least on non-real-ipods? |
| 00:07:25 | kugel | I jsut wanted to express that I'm probably not going to use it |
| 00:07:42 | kadoban | (ex., based on metadata) |
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| 00:08:30 | rasher | kugel: I'm sure most current users wouldn't |
| 00:09:46 | rasher | It'd be great press! |
| 00:10:39 | linuxstb | I think there's at least a "sync date/time" scsi command as well. |
| 00:11:39 | linuxstb | kadoban: No, I don't think the communication works at that level - it's just UMS with a few extra scsi commands on top. |
| 00:11:47 | amiconn | There must be one, even for firewire connections |
| 00:12:33 | * | kugel compiles rockbox with gcc-4.3.2 |
| 00:13:03 | amiconn | It's used to set the clock of G1/G2 ipods (which have no way of timekeeping when reset - they can only use the "rtc" built into the PP5002) |
| 00:13:05 | kugel | looks good so far, a couple of "/home/kugel/rbdev/rockbox-dev/apps/debug_menu.c:137: warning: initialized field overwritten" warnings though |
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| 00:20:53 | kugel | damn, I get the undefined instruction as well |
| 00:22:48 | kugel | uh, the map doesn't reall show me where it is |
| 00:23:37 | kugel | well, the undefinied instruction seems to be in the middle of nowhere, after the stack |
| 00:24:35 | rasher | What's the procedure for getting new bootloaders put out? Compile some and put them on Flyspray and tell people to test? |
| 00:24:59 | rasher | For PP devices, that is. |
| 00:25:25 | linuxstb | rasher: I think that's what happened last time. |
| 00:26:06 | rasher | I guess we'll have to wait until USB has been completely enabled (so as to not build from modified sources) |
| 00:26:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good idea. |
| 00:26:55 | kugel | this makes no sense.. |
| 00:27:08 | kugel | the undefined instruction, I mean |
| 00:29:07 | kugel | there's nothing in 0x4000EE6C |
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| 00:31:06 | amr | Hey guys. I was trying to add my log scrobbler (http://code.google.com/p/glogscrobbler/) to the LastFMLog wiki page (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog) and it said that i needed to ask you for write permission. |
| 00:31:20 | rasher | amr: What's your wikiname? |
| 00:31:40 | amr | amrhassan |
| 00:32:48 | amr | btw. the edit page does not mention anything about needing a write permission when i click "Edit" on firefox. It just goes to a blank page after i have signed up. When i loaded the page in Midori that's when i found the error page. |
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| 00:33:47 | rasher | Forgive me for asking, but is Amr your first name, and Hassan your lastname? |
| 00:33:58 | amr | yes, Amr Hassan |
| 00:34:22 | rasher | amr: Done, promise not to spam |
| 00:34:38 | amr | cross my heart |
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| 00:36:44 | * | Bagder just blinks with an empty look in his eyes, instead taking off to bed |
| 00:37:04 | amiconn | kugel: That address is within codec IRAM |
| 00:37:20 | rasher | Bagder: I guess that's really Zagor territory? |
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| 00:37:27 | Bagder | it is, yes |
| 00:37:50 | kugel | amiconn: I figured that it's in iram, but the iram is only until 0x4000c000 (or am I wrong?), that's at least what the .map tells |
| 00:38:00 | amiconn | *codec* iram |
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| 00:38:35 | amiconn | That goes from 0x4000c000 to either 0x40018000 (PP5002,PP5020) or 0x40020000 (PP5022 & friends) |
| 00:39:32 | kugel | ah I see |
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| 00:42:41 | kugel | amiconn: it's at the very beginnning of mpa.o |
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| 00:45:48 | casainho | hello :-) |
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| 00:46:14 | kugel | mad_synth_thread! |
| 00:46:24 | casainho | can someone help me on put working a TLV320 audio codec IC? I don't understand the clock frequency signals |
| 00:46:56 | casainho | I would like to know what frequency should I use on I2S |
| 00:47:53 | casainho | and I would like to know if Rockbox sends data every 44.100HZ ? |
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| 00:51:36 | kugel | pretty broken on the fuze too. |<< button hardly works |
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| 00:55:16 | kugel | without mp3 on cop, it works |
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| 01:02:00 | kugel | gr |
| 01:02:11 | kugel | grml, binsize is a good deal higher too |
| 01:02:58 | kugel | 5k.. |
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| 01:07:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | And I just found out that I didn't have libmtp installed. :P |
| 01:10:08 | casainho | can someone tell me if pcm_play_dma_start() is called at Frequency Sample, like 44.100HZ? |
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| 02:54:37 | ziorcas | Hey, thinking of formating my ipod and installing rockbox, quick question though, my car stereo is able to control my ipod remotely, is it likely to be unable to do this with rockbox? Will my ipod work like a usb thumbdrive instead with rockbox installed as far as the car stereo is concerned? |
| 02:57:16 | kadoban | ziorcas: it may or may not be able to. there is some support in rockbox for the ipod accessory protocol, but not all of them work. |
| 02:57:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's basically "your mileage may vary" at this time. |
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| 02:58:16 | kadoban | ziorcas: here's a page with some information, not sure if any of it is specifically helpful to you:http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories |
| 02:58:59 | kadoban | oh, looks like almost all of the information is obsolete...so it probably isn't useful at all. my bad |
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| 02:59:13 | rasher | ziorcas: Do report your findings when you try though! |
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| 03:00:54 | ziorcas | ok i will try today |
| 03:01:20 | ziorcas | it is with a clarion head unit |
| 03:01:28 | ziorcas | report back here? |
| 03:01:48 | rasher | In the wiki and FlySpray preferably, but here is better than nothing |
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| 05:30:18 | cool_walking_ | Rockbox can be uninstalled (see the manual for instructions), and there is zero risk of the installation permanently breaking your iPod. |
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| 07:43:59 | JdGordon | why do so many people want to delete te currently playing track?! |
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| 07:55:57 | cool_walking_ | JdGordon: Not me personally, but I expect they're listening to a newly-acquired album and deleting if they don't like it. |
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| 07:57:58 | Dhraakellian | I just glanced at the svn section on the front page |
| 07:58:08 | Dhraakellian | did I read that correctly? the SD bug is gone? |
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| 08:00:48 | midgey | we think so, various users have copied gigabytes of data with no corruption |
| 08:02:03 | Dhraakellian | okay, then |
| 08:02:10 | Dhraakellian | I am *so* updating my e200 |
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| 08:03:06 | Dhraakellian | the latch on the microSD slot is broken, and I had to hot-glue/tape the 8GB card in, so a way to actually transfer stuff to/from it without corruption would be awesome |
| 08:03:37 | Dhraakellian | I now have one less reason to go spend $80 on a new Sansa Fuze |
| 08:03:46 | * | Dhraakellian probably owes someone a beer now |
| 08:04:57 | midgey | i think it's two beers. one for Martin and one for Toni |
| 08:05:07 | midgey | take a look at FS #8663 |
| 08:05:27 | Dhraakellian | hey, hey, two beers is still less than an $80 DAP |
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| 08:05:53 | Dhraakellian | (this is, of course, assuming that I ever run in to them somewhere, probably not a dark alleyway) |
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| 08:06:24 | liiwi | Dhraakellian: interesting, the latch on mine is also broken. got piece of duct-tape holding the card in :) |
| 08:06:35 | midgey | Indeed, and with any luck, the USB stack will be enabled for PP5022/PP5024 players in the near future |
| 08:07:08 | Dhraakellian | liiwi: hot glue to hold the card in, electricians tape to keep the glue from chipping off (and to match the black color of the e200) |
| 08:07:31 | Dhraakellian | midgey: so it still requires manually enabling USB and compiling for oneself? |
| 08:07:39 | liiwi | Dhraakellian: got silicone cover on the whole thing, tape does not show under it. |
| 08:08:02 | Dhraakellian | the problem I had with tape was that it would slowly stretch or slide |
| 08:08:11 | Dhraakellian | and before too long, the card wasn't in far enough |
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| 08:08:18 | midgey | for now at least. It's a pretty easy thing to enable and I think soap might have some test builds floating around somewhere.... |
| 08:08:29 | Dhraakellian | midgey: I've done it before |
| 08:08:43 | midgey | then enjoy :P |
| 08:09:05 | Dhraakellian | midgey: for tiny, inconsequential stuff like album art, where I could easily see if a file was corrupted and retransfer it |
| 08:10:05 | Dhraakellian | hmm... I still have a checkout from a while back, i think |
| 08:10:08 | midgey | Well, it looks like corruption is gone, and with another recent change so are the bus resets on devices such as the e200 |
| 08:10:19 | Dhraakellian | bus resets? |
| 08:11:41 | Dhraakellian | huh... or it might just be from a tarball |
| 08:12:24 | midgey | something wasn't quite right with the hardware initialization and the usb device would throw an error |
| 08:12:42 | midgey | the device would reset and transfers would (normally) continue |
| 08:12:59 | Dhraakellian | ah, yes, I think it was from a rockbox.7z |
| 08:13:16 | midgey | on some setups, the players could never communicate with the host OS |
| 08:13:33 | midgey | Buschel: you're our iPod 5G man, right? |
| 08:16:43 | Dhraakellian | huh. I apparently already have a build with the fixes included |
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| 08:16:49 | Dhraakellian | r20006 |
| 08:17:01 | Dhraakellian | r20026, rather |
| 08:17:40 | Buschel | midgey: I am one of them :) But I am not the USB man. |
| 08:17:55 | midgey | it's not a USB problem ;) |
| 08:18:48 | midgey | I've got a 5g that refuses to turn on, even after being left plugged in for hours |
| 08:19:12 | midgey | I replaced the battery and no results |
| 08:19:23 | midgey | is there anything else it could be other than a bad logic board? |
| 08:22:05 | Buschel | hmm, I have heard (but never experiences myself) of iPods that needed to be connected for >1 day. But if you have already exchanged the battery pack... |
| 08:22:40 | Buschel | and of course you did several resets (Menu + Ok) |
| 08:22:48 | midgey | yes |
| 08:23:12 | midgey | i actually found the ipod so I have no idea what abuse it's gone through |
| 08:23:16 | JdGordon | also flicked the hold switch? |
| 08:23:32 | Buschel | good point |
| 08:23:43 | midgey | previous owner ripped the ribbon cable attaching the hold switch and headphone jack |
| 08:23:47 | JdGordon | i have a 60gb zif disk available if its the hard disk... |
| 08:24:04 | midgey | nope, disk is good i already checked that in another player |
| 08:26:16 | midgey | if the hold switch was engaged before the ribbon cable was severed, would that state be preserved? |
| 08:26:30 | JdGordon | i doubt it |
| 08:26:41 | JdGordon | even if it was, it should still turn on and say hold switch on |
| 08:26:44 | JdGordon | .... i tinhk |
| 08:26:59 | JdGordon | take te batt out and connect it to usb |
| 08:27:34 | Buschel | amiconn: about ATA DMA (regarding your suggestion that this might be the key for faster USB transfers): did you take a look at FS #9708? |
| 08:29:14 | cool_walking_ | I just tried turning my 5G on with the hold switch engaged - it didn't do anything at all. No "hold switch on" message. I know the e200 does give a message. |
| 08:29:42 | midgey | JdGordon: any idea on what behavior I should expect? |
| 08:29:58 | JdGordon | it should turn on, and probably try booting into the of for usb |
| 08:31:20 | cool_walking_ | oh, when turning it on via plugging it in, yeah it goes to the OF. |
| 08:31:31 | midgey | no sign of life :(. only the hdd and lcd are plugged into the logic board right now |
| 08:31:55 | midgey | this one never had Rockbox (saw no signs when I checked the hdd) |
| 08:32:00 | JdGordon | its fucked |
| 08:32:05 | JdGordon | water damage maybe? |
| 08:32:06 | midgey | \o/ |
| 08:32:10 | Buschel | gevaerts: one thing I'd like to mention before enabling USB for PP5022/24 targets is that we should perform some measurements of the power consumption after USB disconnect on these targets. In the past (and several revisions/months back) the power consumption was much higher after USB (charging only) disconnect than compared to a clean restart. |
| 08:32:13 | JdGordon | where'd ou find it? |
| 08:32:18 | midgey | yeah possibly |
| 08:32:33 | midgey | junk pile in our office |
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| 08:32:41 | Buschel | gevaerts: we would be in danger of losing lots of runtime because the users are not forced to restart |
| 08:32:44 | JdGordon | probably was tosssed coz its dead? |
| 08:32:48 | amiconn | midgey: Did you already disconnect the battery for a while? |
| 08:33:14 | midgey | not that i can recall, i can leave it unplugged over night |
| 08:33:37 | amiconn | If you have it open, disconnect the battery for a few minutes, reconnect it, then charge the ipod |
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| 08:34:36 | midgey | yeah, it's in pieces right now. i can reconnect the battery in a few minutes (like 15?) |
| 08:34:38 | amiconn | I once had the effect that the ipod (mini G2 in this case, but I think the involved circuitry is very similar, if not identical) wouldn't charge at all, no matter how often I tried to reset it |
| 08:35:26 | amiconn | It seems like some chip (maybe the PCF50606) occasionally gets into a state where only a "zero-voltage reset" will help |
| 08:35:45 | midgey | seems odd but worth a shot |
| 08:36:02 | midgey | has anyone taken a look at the IAP patch on the tracker? |
| 08:36:50 | amiconn | I left mine in the drawer for a few weeks, which drained the battery down to the hardware shutoff threshold, which also solved the problem. But disconnecting the battery is the faster method |
| 08:37:22 | JdGordon | wouldnt it be faster to short the battery with a resistor of some sort? |
| 08:37:35 | amiconn | Ouch. Never short a LiIon battery! |
| 08:38:15 | midgey | much faster just to set them on fire :) |
| 08:38:46 | * | JdGordon takes back his suggestion |
| 08:39:27 | Dhraakellian | hmm... I think that last time I compiled rockbox must've been on a different distro |
| 08:39:30 | amiconn | Using a resistor isn't real shorting - it would drain the battery. But since you need to open the ipod anyway for this, you can as well disconnect the battery for a while (say 5 minutes) |
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| 08:42:37 | Dhraakellian | were it not 2:42 AM right now, I'd look into that, but it *is* 2:42, so I'm just going to wait |
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| 11:24:00 | kPb_in | can i install rockbox on 3rd gen ipod nano?? |
| 11:24:25 | Llorean | No, that's why it's not in the list of players Rockbox runs on. |
| 11:24:49 | kPb_in | ok |
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| 11:47:17 | rasher | Hrm.. Seems JdGordon missed my point in FS #9796 |
| 11:48:38 | rasher | Which was that, why does playlist_resume depend on the dirfilter at all? Using the dirbrowser in that way seems rather weird |
| 11:49:02 | Llorean | The filter should only ever affect what you see, not the way anything actually works, right? |
| 11:49:31 | rasher | That's what I'd think, yes |
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| 12:05:53 | * | gevaerts wonders what the low-level error rate for PP5020 USB will turn out to be |
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| 12:30:14 | billenium | Hmm, ever time i rebuild the database (nano) it jut adds ANOTHER copy of the song... |
| 12:30:21 | billenium | Now i have 5 copies of each song... How do i stop that? |
| 12:32:07 | Llorean | Stop updating, figure out what the bug is, fix the bug, reinitialize? |
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| 13:47:55 | avis | is the microsdhc support on the e270 in addition to the internal storage ? or a substitute for it ? |
| 13:48:16 | kadoban | avis: in addition |
| 13:48:24 | avis | thank you |
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| 14:06:34 | Casainho | hello :-) −− does anyone can help me and say in what frequency value "void pcm_play_dma_start(const void *addr, size_t size)" is called? can it be at frequency sample. like 44100HZ? |
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| 14:08:31 | linuxstb | I don't think you should care what the samplerate is in that function - I believe you configure that in different functions. |
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| 14:10:03 | Casainho | linuxstb: I am trying to understand how audio DAC works, and how Rockbox supplies audio data to DAC IC |
| 14:10:38 | Casainho | linuxstb: Rockbox supplies audio data at a periodic frequency, right? |
| 14:14:58 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what you mean, but I think it will depend on your hardware. For example, the PortalPlayer devices have a small FIFO that Rockbox writes audio data into. The code in the FIQ handler just needs to keep writing to that FIFO as quickly as it can, to stop it becoming empty. |
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| 14:17:03 | Casainho | well, I know that my DAC IC don't have any fifo... - my DAC is theTLV320, and I don't know if audio data should be write to it at a periodic frequency or not |
| 14:18:09 | Casainho | so, on Portal Player, the FIQ handler reads the data from FIFO and sends to the DAC IC? |
| 14:18:45 | Llorean | Doesn't the X5 use the TLV320? |
| 14:19:12 | * | Llorean thought something did, at least, the name sounds familiar. |
| 14:19:37 | linuxstb | Casainho: No, it _writes_ the data to the FIFO. The I2S controller (I think) reads from the FIFO and sends to the DAC at the correct rate. |
| 14:20:00 | linuxstb | (it == the FIQ handler) |
| 14:22:49 | Casainho | linuxstb: ah, so the "pcm_play_dma_start()" should be called to fill a FIFO and after some code should read from the FIFO and send it at a periodic rate to DAC IC by I2S? (my ARM9 have I2S) |
| 14:23:16 | Casainho | Llorean: X5 is what? ARM target? |
| 14:23:54 | linuxstb | Casainho: No, not _code_, hardware. But that's just how the PP driver works (although there is a patch to change that to use DMA). |
| 14:24:43 | Llorean | Casainho: No, the iAudio X5. |
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| 14:25:27 | Llorean | But there exists a driver for the TLV320 for Rockbox already |
| 14:25:36 | Casainho | linuxstb: on my ARM9, I have I2S and DMA (but I would prefer to a start not using DMA) and my TLV320 DAC IC is connected by I2S - what do you think I should do? |
| 14:26:09 | Llorean | I think it's also used in the Cowon D2? |
| 14:26:27 | Llorean | Which is ARM, if I recall correctly. |
| 14:26:38 | Casainho | Llorean: I already saw the driver and I was trying to understand it... and for now, I have a problem, I can't get frequencies from my ARM9 to TLV320 that gives the 44100HZ, just 48000HZ and seems default Rockbox code uses 44100... :-( |
| 14:26:44 | B4gder | Llorean: nope |
| 14:26:55 | Llorean | B4gder: TCC? |
| 14:26:59 | B4gder | I mean the d2 doesn't use it |
| 14:27:02 | Llorean | Oh. |
| 14:27:43 | B4gder | m3, m5, x5, creatives, m200v1, c100 |
| 14:27:47 | Llorean | Aaah |
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| 14:28:33 | Casainho | can anyone suggest me how should I do? |
| 14:29:18 | Casainho | on X5 folder, I don't see any "pcm-x5.c" file... |
| 14:30:35 | B4gder | ../pcm-coldfire.c |
| 14:31:58 | Casainho | B4gder: thanks |
| 14:32:17 | linuxstb | Casainho: How does your i2s controller work? e.g. does it have a fifo? |
| 14:32:40 | Casainho | linuxstb: no, I just write 32bits to a register and it sends... |
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| 14:34:15 | Casainho | so, I should make one FIFO, right? and provide a way so that I send audio data at Frequency Sample rate, no? |
| 14:34:23 | linuxstb | Then I think I would just use DMA. But I'm not an expert in these low-level things. |
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| 14:35:22 | Casainho | so, If I use DMA, what DMA pheripherial would do? (I don't worked with DMA before) |
| 14:36:35 | B4gder | DMA is usually just setup to transfer from somewhere to somewhere |
| 14:36:50 | B4gder | and then it tells you when its done and you set it again |
| 14:37:51 | Casainho | hmmmm, so, in this case, the DMA would transfer from an audio FIFO to I2S "send" address? |
| 14:38:11 | B4gder | or from memory to the send address |
| 14:39:06 | linuxstb | Casainho: The "fifo" is the Rockbox main PCM buffer (a few hundred KB of audio). Don't get confused with the hardware i2s fifo on PortalPlayer - that's just how that hardware works. |
| 14:39:15 | Casainho | I don't know from where I would configure DMA to read... I don't understand the Rockbox audio drivers... |
| 14:39:44 | linuxstb | "from where" is the buffer passed to pcm_play_data() |
| 14:40:14 | linuxstb | And when you've finished playing that buffer, you call the "get_more()" callback to get the next buffer to play. |
| 14:40:45 | linuxstb | firmware/pcm.c is the place to start reading. |
| 14:41:09 | Casainho | I already read that file... thanks. I will do it again. |
| 14:41:53 | linuxstb | The code in apps/ calls the functions in firmware/pcm.c, and the code in firmware/pcm.c will call the code in the target audio driver. |
| 14:43:21 | Casainho | so, there is another question: DMA should read from the FIFO to send for the I2S "send" address, at a periodic rate, right? - can the DMA pheripherial usually be configured for a periodic rate? |
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| 14:44:45 | linuxstb | I don't know. But what's important is what your hardware can do - does the documentation talk about using DMA with I2S? |
| 14:45:26 | Casainho | linuxstb: I am not sure, but almost sure that there is DMA fro I2S. |
| 14:45:50 | linuxstb | Then I suggest reading the documentation ;) |
| 14:45:55 | Casainho | because I don't see need to use DMA if it don't do it at a periodic rate... |
| 14:46:37 | Casainho | since I need to send the PCM fifo with a periodic rate... |
| 14:54:30 | Casainho | there is no such thing on DMA for a periodic rate transfer... so, I don't know why should I use DMA for sending the data from audio fifo to dac ic by I2S |
| 14:55:13 | linuxstb | It won't be periodic, it will write to the i2s register whenever the i2s controller says that the previous transmit is complete (or the data was moved to the internal buffer). |
| 14:55:36 | linuxstb | Reading your datasheet, the DMA can be used with the SSC, so this will work. |
| 14:56:07 | Casainho | so, I don't need to send for the TLV320 at a periodic rate? |
| 14:56:27 | Casainho | I miss a lot of information about audio dac ICs... - my first time now |
| 14:56:31 | linuxstb | You have a "22 channel peripheral dma controller"... |
| 14:57:11 | linuxstb | The i2s controller takes care of sending data at the correct rate (after you configure it). You need to read your datasheet more ;) |
| 14:57:41 | linuxstb | (the section on SSC first, then the section on the peripheral DMA controller) |
| 14:59:02 | Casainho | hmmm, ok, seems I understand now. I2S will have a fixed rate that is correct to send for TLV320, and when DMA finish the FIFO, means that all the FIFO was sent at a correct rate, because DMA just sends after I2S ends the transmit. |
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| 15:00:02 | Casainho | okok - I must go now :-) Thank you, it's much more clear now at my head how to do it :-) :- |
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| 15:09:27 | Woyciesjes | Is rasher around? |
| 15:18:10 | Llorean | Did you have a Rockbox question? |
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| 15:23:35 | Woyciesjes | Yeah. He asked me to try a current build with my FM Xmit. I wanted to know if there were any other helpful details I should get when I test it. |
| 15:25:36 | Woyciesjes | Anything from the debug menu, possibly? I'll grab the value for ACCESSORY in the debug menu, mentioned on the iPod Acc Wiki... |
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| 15:50:08 | c250_eraser | How do I find the C250 eraser? |
| 15:50:52 | gevaerts | You *are* the c250 eraser! |
| 15:51:20 | Chex | hi guys! I am goiing to be purchasing a e260 v.2 very soon, and will be joining the RockBox world, finally! :D |
| 15:52:14 | gevaerts | c250_eraser: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Erase . Make sure to go through http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick first though, to make sure ou really need it |
| 15:52:33 | Chex | can anyone explain to me how the micro-sd card works on those players? Can you just leave them plugged in all the time while playing and using the player? |
| 15:53:05 | Llorean | Chex: Yes. |
| 15:53:45 | gevaerts | c250_eraser: you're aware that the v2 isn't supported yet, right? |
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| 15:56:35 | Chex | Llorean: great, thanks |
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| 15:57:29 | Chex | oh, one other thing, the alpha port of rockbox for the v.2 sansa players, it does play .ogg files like standard Rockbox does, correct? |
| 15:57:53 | gevaerts | It *will*, not *does*. There are still issues |
| 15:57:58 | * | Chex cries |
| 15:57:58 | kugel | freqmod_gq: did you manage to get a disassembly of the OF sd driver? |
| 15:58:14 | freqmod_gq | yes, but i don't manage to get anything useful from it |
| 15:58:31 | kugel | can you share it? |
| 15:58:33 | freqmod_gq | i.e. it is just a lot of instructions to me, and i don't manage to get the big picture |
| 15:58:43 | Chex | well, thats ok, will be fun to watch progress... I just dont want sansa to come out with v.3 chipset, and not be able to get rockbox-capable players anymore (or again, after the v1 to v2 switch..) |
| 15:58:50 | freqmod_gq | well, i did only use objdump etc. |
| 15:58:53 | freqmod_gq | but yes |
| 15:59:25 | freqmod_gq | however this is the end of lesson, so i may have to wait tomorrow until i can do it. I'll send you a PM when it is done |
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| 16:00:14 | kugel | huh? |
| 16:00:20 | freqmod_gq | (i dissassembled the whole file) |
| 16:00:25 | kugel | oh |
| 16:00:45 | freqmod_gq | i.e. i have a meeting at 16.15 CET etc. |
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| 17:44:15 | webguest09 | howdy, thanks to everyone here who helped contribute to rockbox, i just started using it and i find it more intuitive than ipods interface. So I've been googling and havent found an answer, perhaps someone could help wiht my curiosity, why isnt rockbox able to use the broadcom decoder to play .mp4 videos as the regular ipod is able to? is it because broadcom or apple wont let you or is it a matter of broadcom |
| 17:45:22 | Llorean | There's no available documentation for the chip, so there's very little knowledge about how to use it. |
| 17:45:24 | evilnick_230 | webguest09: AFAIK it's because the datasheet is not public, so it takes a long time to reverse engineer |
| 17:45:50 | webguest09 | that sucks, thank you for your help llorean and evilnick |
| 17:47:37 | BigBambi | Also, the desire to reverse engineer it is low as it only affects one player and doesn't stop e.g. music playback |
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| 18:16:55 | holotone1 | Does anyone here know offhand if my Sansa e200 running Rockbox will work with the type of FM transmitter / charger that gets the audio from the proprietary jack at the bottom? I know the charging bit will work, so long as I hold the right button down on boot, but wasn't sure if RB supported sending audio over that thing..... |
| 18:17:40 | Llorean | If it just uses the line-out pin there, yeah, it'll work. |
| 18:18:50 | holotone1 | Llorean: just what I was hoping to hear, thanks! |
| 18:22:38 | Woyciesjes | Llorean: Deja Vu? |
| 18:23:39 | Woyciesjes | I was looking at the iPod Acc. Wiki page, and noticed that Rasher updated it. I was thinking, a column for the version of Rockbox used with a particular acc would be helpful... |
| 18:24:06 | rasher | There's a date field |
| 18:24:28 | FlynDice | I'm trying to understand IBBS_ATTR. I see it simply declared, I see it's value assigned, i see it after variable declarations. Could someone enlighten me? |
| 18:24:29 | Llorean | SVN revision would probably be better than "date" |
| 18:24:41 | Llorean | Since "date" can mean "I'm using a six month old custom build, but it's being used today" |
| 18:24:43 | Woyciesjes | True, but that doesn't say if they used Relase (like form Rockbox Util), current, or another... |
| 18:25:59 | Woyciesjes | In my case, I had tried with the stable, through the Rockbox Util, but then Rasher pointed out to me that it doesn't have support for iPod Acc. Protocol (that's the IAP mentioned yesterday, right?) |
| 18:26:08 | domonoky | FlynDice: afaik IBBS_ATTR means, that the variable/function is put into the bss section in IRAM instead of SD-Ram. |
| 18:27:05 | rasher | There's no point in submitting reports about non-current builds. |
| 18:27:37 | Woyciesjes | rasher: I just loaded current (r20102) on my iPod to test later. Did you want me to get any other info? |
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| 18:29:54 | Woyciesjes | True, non-current build info is not helpful, but if the Wiki page says "does not work with stable v3.1, try a Current version", the person would then know what to try. Would've helped me, at least. :) |
| 18:30:59 | rasher | Woyciesjes: Fill out the fields the table has. I don't really know much about this, so I expect that's enough |
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| 18:32:00 | FlynDice | domonoky: So if it's simply declared it means iram is available and if it's after a variable/function declaration it put that in iram is that what you're saying? |
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| 18:33:46 | domonoky | i am not sure about the first thing, but second is right. |
| 18:33:55 | FlynDice | thanks |
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| 18:36:49 | Woyciesjes | If it's okay with everybody here, I can work on keeping the iPod Accesory Wiki page up to date and useful. Is there someone I should clear this with, or do I just have at it? Being new here, I don't want to piss off anyone... |
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| 18:37:55 | rasher | Woyciesjes: Not sure what that'd involve |
| 18:38:32 | Woyciesjes | rasher: Which, doing the work, or getting permission? |
| 18:38:50 | rasher | No, I've no idea what work that'd be |
| 18:39:02 | rasher | Short of buying lots and lots of accessories |
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| 18:39:37 | Woyciesjes | My plan would be to try contacting the folks who have submitted entries, and find out if they recall what version they've used, and if they've gotten it working better since. |
| 18:40:09 | Woyciesjes | I would also add a line at the top asking people to send the info to me, then I can add it to the list for them. |
| 18:40:10 | rasher | No reason to ask for the version. Just have them re-test |
| 18:40:26 | Woyciesjes | Ture |
| 18:40:34 | Woyciesjes | Ooops, "true" |
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| 18:40:56 | gevaerts | Woyciesjes: *all* submissions (including yours) are from before the IAP support commit anyway |
| 18:41:08 | jaykay | is there anything something like download-statistics for the rockbox-homepage? |
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| 18:42:03 | linuxstb | jaykay: We use third-party mirrors, and don't have access to those logs - assuming you're talking about files on download.rockbox.org |
| 18:42:09 | rasher | gevaerts: There's one from lostlogic |
| 18:42:50 | Woyciesjes | Yes, that's why I'm offering to "mantain" that page. To help get it current, and (somewhat more) reliable. |
| 18:42:50 | gevaerts | ah yes |
| 18:43:13 | gevaerts | Woyciesjes: sure. What I mean is there's no real point in asking revisions. |
| 18:43:21 | gevaerts | The table should have revisions though |
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| 18:43:44 | rasher | The new table. |
| 18:43:58 | jaykay | linuxstb: does rockbox "own" servers? |
| 18:44:03 | jaykay | rasher: where's that? |
| 18:45:22 | rasher | IpodAccessories |
| 18:45:31 | linuxstb | jaykay: "rockbox" as an entity doesn't exist. |
| 18:46:17 | Woyciesjes | gevaerts: You are right, in a way. But also, if they only tried it with, e.g. current-r20000, and gave up, the next person coming along would see that, and know to try with the latest currrent. |
| 18:46:43 | jaykay | linuxstb: then a different question: where are all the pages from rockbox hosted? |
| 18:46:49 | gevaerts | Woyciesjes: sure, that's why the revision needs to be there |
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| 18:47:10 | linuxstb | I believe the main servers are owned by the employers (?) of two of the original Rockbox developers. The mirror servers are donated by other companies/projects. The forums are hosted on someone's personal (I think) server. |
| 18:47:48 | jaykay | ok |
| 18:48:38 | Woyciesjes | gevaerts: So I'm just wondering who I need to get permission from (if any) to go ahead with my plan.... |
| 18:50:09 | Llorean | Woyciesjes: There's no specific person or group of persons in charge to get permission from. |
| 18:50:17 | evilnick_230 | Are the forums on misticriver? |
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| 18:50:43 | Llorean | Woyciesjes: It's more or less all collaboration. If you think there may be objections to your idea, you should write up what you actually think you'd be doing, and post a message to the mailing list seeing if people see any problems that may arise. |
| 18:50:49 | Llorean | evilnick_230: No. They used to be, but were moved |
| 18:52:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | evilnick_230: scorche hosts them now IIRC. |
| 18:52:57 | Woyciesjes | Llorean: Okay, thanks. I'll go ahead then. Post to users, I presume? |
| 18:53:19 | Llorean | It's not really development discussion, so yes. |
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| 18:54:32 | Woyciesjes | I'm not expecting objections, but I'll post anyway, as a courtesy. |
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| 18:55:34 | scorche|sh | yes...the forums are on my server... |
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| 19:04:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche|sh: Ahh. |
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| 19:18:00 | Lss | hi all i have a queer issue it seems |
| 19:18:04 | Lss | at times the song skips |
| 19:18:24 | Lss | it will stop every few seconds and resume afterwards |
| 19:18:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | What player, what codec? |
| 19:18:31 | Lss | pausing seems to help |
| 19:18:38 | Lss | ipod 5g 80gig |
| 19:18:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | And what build revision? |
| 19:18:58 | Lss | 3.1 stable need to check the revision though |
| 19:19:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's all we need. |
| 19:19:09 | Lss | only flac files seems to be affected |
| 19:19:26 | Lss | and it only happens when i load new songs |
| 19:19:34 | Lss | even then it only happens randomly |
| 19:19:49 | Llorean | I'd guess just while buffering maybe. |
| 19:20:18 | Llorean | Possibly just a bad PCM watermark for FLAC. I don't think that ever really got sorted out. |
| 19:20:20 | Lss | even for flac files? |
| 19:20:39 | Lss | ok ok |
| 19:20:50 | Llorean | FLAC is VBR and can have a wide range of bitrates, average bitrate approximation can be very off across the short term for it. |
| 19:20:54 | Lss | btw is it normal to experience more hdd activity on a rockboxed player? |
| 19:21:19 | Lss | i can literally hear mine at times |
| 19:21:32 | Llorean | You should be able to hear it in the OF too. |
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| 19:21:44 | Lss | thats the weird bit |
| 19:21:50 | Lss | doesnt seem to affect OF |
| 19:22:19 | Llorean | The amount of noise it makes when it spins is implicit in the hardware... |
| 19:23:13 | Lss | humm maybe i should get it exchanged |
| 19:23:27 | Lss | the 250gig hdd looks really enticing haha |
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| 20:07:06 | Woyciesjes | LLorean: would posting my proposal (for updating/maintaining the iPod acc. Wiki) in the forums under Apple - Install/Removal be appropriate? |
| 20:07:42 | gevaerts | That sounds wrong to me... |
| 20:09:26 | Woyciesjes | gevaerts: My posting idea, or the HDD making too much noise? Yeah, I don't think you should be able to easily hear the HDD in a portable player... |
| 20:10:05 | gevaerts | Woyciesjes: posting non-installation things in the installation forums |
| 20:13:47 | Woyciesjes | OK. yeah, you're right. As I was compsing this reply in my head, I found the error in my train of thought... |
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| 20:19:03 | Nico_P | gevaerts: you've received the usb tracer? |
| 20:19:10 | gevaerts | Nico_P: yes |
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| 20:19:15 | rasher | gevaerts: Any idea why FS #9935 hasn't been fixed on the irivers ages ago? |
| 20:19:27 | Nico_P | gevaerts: nice :) are you doing the test tonight? |
| 20:19:31 | rasher | Oh, ignore me. |
| 20:19:34 | gevaerts | Nico_P: right now :) |
| 20:19:43 | rasher | Because the irivers don't use the playback buffer. |
| 20:19:46 | gevaerts | yes |
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| 20:25:49 | rasher | Speaking of FS #9935, positive reports in the forum |
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| 20:38:09 | rasher | Zagor: Someone noted yesterday that if you try to edit a page in the wiki without being in twikiusersgroup, you don't get an errorpage |
| 20:38:14 | rasher | Just a blank page |
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| 20:42:07 | jaykay | rasher: true, i experienced it myself |
| 20:42:40 | jaykay | and it has a very long "address" |
| 20:45:08 | Zagor | rasher: ok :( |
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| 20:55:14 | Lear | Zagor: btw, any suggestions on how to attribute newlib files? Add Rockbox header, even for unmodified files, or just for modified ones? |
| 20:56:09 | gevaerts | rasher: that USB error on the forums isn't due to a bad filesystem I think (at least based on the data we have) |
| 20:58:30 | Zagor | Lear: no rockbox header unless we've basically "made" the file. I think... |
| 20:59:01 | rasher | gevaerts: Alright |
| 20:59:22 | gevaerts | rasher: I have no real idea what does cause it though |
| 20:59:30 | gevaerts | Could be a bad connection |
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| 21:01:53 | rasher | My sansa dropped the connection completely yesterday, but I think I might not have the connector in all the way |
| 21:02:19 | gevaerts | Yes. Something like that would look pretty much like this I think |
| 21:02:55 | rasher | It does indeed look a bit like the errors I got |
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| 21:11:33 | gevaerts | Results of my PP5022/PP5024 USB tests at http://pastebin.ca/1347113 |
| 21:12:02 | gevaerts | comma-separated numbers mean that I did more than one run |
| 21:14:19 | rasher | Are CRC errors alarming, or just annoying? |
| 21:14:26 | gevaerts | On sansa we have pretty high CRC error numbers on read, but non-zero seems to be normal there. Also note the high numbers for the video EDM |
| 21:14:52 | gevaerts | Just annoying I think. People never complained about their ipod having USB issues... |
| 21:18:39 | n1s | gevaerts: are these the kind of errors that are automatically detected and reliably corrected? |
| 21:19:08 | gevaerts | Normally, yes. If you get too many of them the host may give up though. |
| 21:19:24 | n1s | also is there a "total" number to give some context for how many 43 million errors really are? |
| 21:19:59 | gevaerts | There were about 700000 transactions in the sets (not that many actual meaningful packets, but...) |
| 21:20:28 | gevaerts | n1s: not 43 million. 43 on the first run, 438 on the second run, and 384 on the third |
| 21:20:53 | n1s | right, /me can't read... |
| 21:22:38 | rasher | gevaerts: Planning on doing the conformance tests? |
| 21:23:55 | jaykay | if i could do some usb-tests with vista and a sansa e200, i would like to help :) |
| 21:24:01 | jaykay | just write how to |
| 21:24:20 | gevaerts | rasher: not sure yet |
| 21:24:25 | amiconn | gevaerts: I'm surprised by the huge speed difference in RB USB on mini and Video |
| 21:25:06 | gevaerts | amiconn: my mini is CF-modded. Maybe that makes a difference |
| 21:25:27 | amiconn | Well, diskmode is as fast as the Video OF.... |
| 21:26:15 | amiconn | I got the same speeds on Mini G2 yesterday |
| 21:26:30 | amiconn | (no other PP5022+ hdd target here to compare with) |
| 21:28:21 | gevaerts | I can't really explain speeds, but they are consistent across runs |
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| 21:31:44 | amiconn | Any news on PP5020? |
| 21:32:14 | gevaerts | I'm doing the same tests there now. No errors yet |
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| 21:46:33 | amiconn | gevaerts: What target? |
| 21:46:53 | gevaerts | amiconn: mr100, and now h10/5 (just starting that one) |
| 21:47:15 | amiconn | Hmm. Any hubs involved? |
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| 21:54:42 | gevaerts | amiconn: No. I'm assuming that if the tracer shows no errors, it's fine. When I tested without a tracer a few days ago I also saw no resets on PP5020 (with hubs), although I saw some instability (my mr100 tends to lockup after a while when doing USB things. Maybe the FS is bad) |
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| 21:59:48 | * | amiconn makes some usb-enabled builds for H10/6 and COlor |
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| 22:04:14 | gevaerts | New table at http://pastebin.ca/1347182 now with PP5020 |
| 22:05:20 | rasher | Are you considering enabling USB for all PPs? |
| 22:05:44 | gevaerts | I'd like to, but I'm not sure |
| 22:05:51 | rasher | The e200 really is rather slow indeed. |
| 22:09:09 | gevaerts | For smallish copy operations that gets balanced out by the lack of reboot and database refresh I think |
| 22:09:25 | gevaerts | I'm more worried about the differences on ipod |
| 22:09:38 | rasher | Yeah, certainly no big issue |
| 22:09:59 | rasher | Yeah, that's a bit odd. No reason to not enable it though, is it? |
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| 22:11:11 | gevaerts | Some people are bound to complain, but they can still manually reboot to the OF I guess |
| 22:11:52 | gevaerts | And I'm not removing the USE_ROCKBOX_USB define anytime soon, so they can always compile without |
| 22:12:26 | * | rasher don't see any obvious reason to ever remove it |
| 22:12:30 | gevaerts | I'd say if amiconn's tests with PP5020 work out well, we enable them all |
| 22:12:51 | gevaerts | rasher: have a look at the #ifdefs in usb.c. Not very pretty... |
| 22:15:48 | bertrik | kugel I noticed you changed the DBOP_IN hardware register from 32 to 16 bit access |
| 22:16:09 | bertrik | is that going to make it faster, better or anything like that? |
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| 22:18:25 | bertrik | hi casainho, had any luck with your lcd_update_rect function? |
| 22:19:08 | casainho | bertrik: sorry, I think LCD is working as needed on this phase, so, now I am working on sound, DAC IC drivers... |
| 22:19:41 | rasher | gevaerts: alright |
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| 22:20:08 | casainho | bertrik: did you saw the last pictures of LCD, showing firmware, menus, working? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayer |
| 22:20:45 | bertrik | casainho, oh nice |
| 22:23:50 | casainho | now I am working on audio, and I am using TLV320 DAC IC, I have many questions but luckly Atmel wrote a application note of a "AT91SAM Internet Radio" that uses the same DAC IC and the same ARM9 :-) :-) |
| 22:23:54 | gevaerts | If we enable USB, I guess we also need to bring the H10 USB button logic back to normal |
| 22:24:18 | casainho | was important to chose Atmel ARM for all information and examples ;-) |
| 22:24:25 | Llorean | gevaerts: H10 USB button logic? |
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| 22:25:45 | gevaerts | Llorean: most players go to UMS by default on plugin except if you hold the magic button. H10 (at least the 5GB, I should check) goes to UMS if you hold the menu button. This is because you need to hold that button while rebooting to go to the OF disk mode |
| 22:25:55 | domonoky | casainho: rockbox already has a driver for this chip, so you only need to provide the i2c transfer functions, and of course the pcm funcions to transfer the audio |
| 22:26:00 | gevaerts | If we do our own disk mode that's a bit silly |
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| 22:27:02 | Llorean | gevaerts: Ah, yeah, sounds like something to fix then. |
| 22:27:28 | casainho | domonoky: ok, but it's not easy for me... as looks like I need to use DMA, configure the I2S and understand the Main Clock for DAC (or use a crytall or use a clock from ARM9) |
| 22:27:49 | casainho | domonoky: here a document from Atmel for that web radio: http://atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc6318.pdf |
| 22:27:50 | Llorean | gevaerts: Can we detect when we're no longer mounted, and resume being able to play music? |
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| 22:31:26 | gevaerts | Llorean: yes and no :) |
| 22:32:23 | gevaerts | It should actually go back to "normal" mode on eject. Whatever that means exactly depends on the OS I think. There's a bug somewhere that maks this not work however. |
| 22:33:05 | Llorean | Could we offer a button to press on Rockbox's side to drop the USB connection? |
| 22:33:25 | Llorean | I know my PSP has something like that. Press "circle" and it disconnects and goes to just using the USB port for power. |
| 22:33:48 | gevaerts | Unconditionaly, or only if the OS hasn't locked the device? |
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| 22:34:37 | gevaerts | But yes, we should be able to do that |
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| 22:35:58 | Llorean | Well, on the PSP it's unconditional. They just trust people not to press it stupidly. We could probably be unconditional about it as well. |
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| 22:42:13 | kugel | bertrik: yes |
| 22:42:56 | kugel | bertrik: the datasheet says it's 16bit, that's all |
| 22:43:23 | casainho | linuxstb: are you there? |
| 22:43:26 | * | gevaerts thinks that we need a customisable WUS |
| 22:44:12 | linuxstb | casainho: Yes, but other people can help too... |
| 22:45:02 | Llorean | gevaerts: We *could* offer a customizable USB logo at least. Just a file you can replace in the .rockbox folder (since disk spinup is mandatory for USB anyway) instead of compiling it in. |
| 22:45:05 | Llorean | We'd even have binsize gains! |
| 22:46:28 | gevaerts | Llorean: we could show whether the OS locked the device (that usually means "mounted") or ejected it. With a bit of work we can also show transfer speeds or activity indicators |
| 22:47:06 | casainho | linuxstb: is just to say that I found that my ARM9 have DMA that can send a fifo from RAM to serial I2S, and signal with an interrupt at the end of the fifo :-) −− so, should be a bit easy to make what I need. Also I found that "AT91SAM Web Radio" code and explanation from Atmel, that plays MP3 files using the same DAC IC I am using, and using the DMA and I2S as I need :-) |
| 22:47:09 | Llorean | gevaerts: Those would all be pretty neat... |
| 22:47:52 | gevaerts | Llorean: also add a more precise/bigger battery indicator :) |
| 22:48:53 | * | Llorean always has his set to percentage. |
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| 22:52:09 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Those indicators would be coolio :) |
| 22:52:27 | Bagder | casainho: sounds like you're on the right path then! |
| 22:52:30 | gevaerts | Unfortunately all that is UI work :) |
| 22:52:42 | * | gevaerts could provide the backend data though |
| 22:52:43 | casainho | Bagder: \ |
| 22:52:49 | casainho | Bagder: thanks :-) |
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| 22:54:09 | * | bluebrother would like to see a status indicator on usb connected |
| 22:55:24 | BigBambi | I'd like to see some sort of row of LEDs like Knight Rider to indicate transfer rates and things like that :) |
| 22:55:31 | BigBambi | I want bling dammit! :P |
| 22:55:53 | gevaerts | see? It needs to be configurable! |
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| 22:56:29 | bluebrother | nah, bling is bad. Put some technical information there! |
| 22:56:50 | gevaerts | Yes! A running hexdump of the data being transfered! |
| 22:56:59 | bluebrother | like, the sector / cluster number currently accessed |
| 22:57:00 | krazykit | run through the Matrix plugin, obviously |
| 22:57:06 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Yes, thchnical info, but displayed purely on a row of LEDs :) |
| 22:57:06 | kugel | we need a configurable WUS, definitely |
| 22:57:11 | bluebrother | hehe, a hexdump would be kinda cool too :) |
| 22:57:23 | bluebrother | plugins during usb connect! |
| 22:57:23 | kugel | uhm, that doesn't sound like a bad idea actually |
| 22:57:24 | gevaerts | Can we show 10MB/s hexdumps? |
| 22:57:42 | kugel | (WUS -> While USB Screen) |
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| 23:00:13 | casainho | can anyone tell me if Rockbox can play files of 48000HZ? |
| 23:00:24 | bluebrother | yes |
| 23:00:53 | n1s | casainho: music is resampled to 44.1kHz in rockbox when playing |
| 23:01:01 | casainho | ah, okok!!! |
| 23:01:27 | casainho | because I was seeing the Rockbox code and I saw that DAC is never configured to 48000... |
| 23:01:35 | n1s | gevaerts: I would be happy with a simple transfer speed indicator |
| 23:01:59 | BigBambi | n1s: Yep, via the medium of a row of LEDs :) |
| 23:02:07 | casainho | because then it's easier for me to make my drivers, I will just care with 44100Hz |
| 23:02:40 | n1s | casainho: some plugins can use different sample rates if the hardware and driver supports it but 44.1kHz is most important |
| 23:02:46 | casainho | and what is the bits number of each sample? 16bits, 32 bits? |
| 23:03:15 | n1s | BigBambi: but i don't want to solder a bunch of leds to my daps to see the transfer speed! |
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| 23:04:06 | * | gevaerts likes the story of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Valdez_drinks_Costa_Rican_coffee |
| 23:04:14 | gevaerts | oops, wrong channel... |
| 23:04:14 | BigBambi | n1s: virtual LEDs :) |
| 23:04:40 | * | n1s prefers numbers |
| 23:05:08 | kugel | n1s: WUS!! |
| 23:05:13 | casainho | n1s: can you tell me how many bits? 32 or 16 bits? |
| 23:05:49 | * | kugel imagines nice bitmap animations while transfering, nice information on what's transferred, etc |
| 23:05:58 | n1s | casainho: that depends on what you are lookign at, we output 16 bit to the DACs but some DSP is done in 32 bit AFAIR |
| 23:06:18 | n1s | kugel: i think a customizable screen is way overkill |
| 23:06:29 | kugel | :( |
| 23:06:44 | * | kugel disagrees |
| 23:07:08 | Llorean | Not everything needs customizing. |
| 23:07:29 | Llorean | Not to mention, it's just an excuse to slow down transfers. |
| 23:07:46 | kugel | huh? |
| 23:09:00 | casainho | n1s: so, If I am doing the driver, I just need to send to DAC in 16 bits? −− 32bit for DSP, to have good quality of audio? |
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| 23:09:10 | Llorean | kugel: Our transfer speed seems to currently be limited by our firmware, so doing more while its transferring can't be a good idea... |
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| 23:10:49 | n1s | casainho: yes, send 16bit samples to the DAC, and yes 32 bits give more precision in calculations |
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| 23:11:15 | sudoxnerdx | Hey can anyone link me the ZenUtil SVN? |
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| 23:14:29 | casainho | n1s: many thanks - it's important information for me, to work on audio drivers of my target :-) |
| 23:15:08 | evilnick_230 | Can someone with a beast test out doing a screendump and check that the top row of pixels on the status bar are missing? |
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| 23:23:09 | amiconn | gevaerts: My PP5020 speed results: http://pastebin.ca/1347255 |
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| 23:23:47 | amiconn | It's weird that ATA read on H10 is faster than on the Color... |
| 23:24:14 | gevaerts | different disk setup? |
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| 23:30:05 | amiconn | It seems like the resets are gone (testing through my special hub |
| 23:30:23 | gevaerts | OK. I guess that means we can do a global enable |
| 23:30:29 | amiconn | I wonder why though - I don't like bugs which are magically fixing themselves |
| 23:31:17 | amiconn | Btw, the usb connection behaviour on H10 is annoying |
| 23:31:35 | gevaerts | I know. That needs to go with the same commit |
| 23:31:56 | amiconn | (the fact that the button works the opposite way as on the other targets) |
| 23:32:09 | amiconn | It makes sense for the reboot, but not with rockbox usb |
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| 23:38:04 | BigBambi | Bloody awesome finally getting USB enabled :) |
| 23:38:14 | BigBambi | Congratulations all who have put in the hard work |
| 23:38:43 | * | Llorean throws a party. |
| 23:38:56 | * | evilnick_230 pops open the champagne |
| 23:39:03 | * | gevaerts decides to commit before partying |
| 23:39:12 | * | amiconn has no beer :( |
| 23:39:15 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Go on then! |
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| 23:40:28 | * | gevaerts starts watching the build table |
| 23:40:44 | BigBambi | \o/ |
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| 23:42:46 | rasher | _o\ \o/ /o_ |
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| 23:47:54 | rasher | gevaerts: did you commit the fix of FS #9935? |
| 23:48:33 | gevaerts | rasher: oops, no... |
| 23:49:12 | rasher | Probably a good idea.. |
| 23:49:48 | * | gevaerts will commit it right away |
| 23:50:18 | midgey | no Elio love? :P |
| 23:51:00 | gevaerts | midgey: the Elio doesn't have USB ids either |
| 23:51:48 | * | midgey prods linuxstb with an Elio |
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| 23:57:08 | midgey | woo! |
| 23:57:09 | Llorean | Almost got away without even any yellow |
| 23:57:14 | amiconn | gevaerts: 2 points :P |
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