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| 00:06:42 | paulposition | given that there are scrollwheel targets, scratchpad(?) targets and maybe someday touchscreen targets, how come none ever figured out the h10's simple up-down scrollpad? Hardware problem? |
| 00:07:11 | BigBambi | I don't think it is a case of figuring it out |
| 00:07:16 | BigBambi | It is just used as buttons |
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| 00:08:46 | paulposition | I do know that.. Was wondering why.. Two years ago, there was trouble reading the dac and it gave jumpy values so I reckon the problem might still be there.. |
| 00:09:00 | kugel | BigBambi: afaik it is a matter of figuring it out |
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| 00:09:24 | BigBambi | hmmm, I thought it was known, it is just it is a stupid control method |
| 00:09:29 | kugel | maybe you should try to write some red pixel to the display, that magically helps on the fuze/e200 too |
| 00:09:56 | BigBambi | As in I thought getting positions from it wasn't a problem |
| 00:10:30 | kugel | paulposition: nothing changed in this regard, so expect it to be still the same issues |
| 00:10:30 | n17ikh | how does one write a specific bootloader to a sansa? |
| 00:10:34 | BigBambi | ah well |
| 00:10:39 | gevaerts | rasher: can you add your findings to FS #9957? I could try as well, but you're the one who saw the problems first hand... |
| 00:10:41 | kugel | Nobody works on it, so.. |
| 00:11:05 | rasher | gevaerts: Will do |
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| 00:11:21 | rasher | The playlist size didn't seem to matter after all |
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| 00:16:40 | n17ikh | do I use the sansa firmware updater? |
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| 00:18:20 | paulposition | Is there some button to press or whatnot to plug usb in *without* getting into disk mode (ie, keep the player running on usb charge)? |
| 00:18:29 | n17ikh | hold select, I think |
| 00:18:36 | paulposition | I'll try |
| 00:19:16 | paulposition | bingo. ty |
| 00:21:51 | linuxstb | n17ikh: To upgrade the Rockbox bootloader, do "sansapatcher -a filename.mi4" |
| 00:22:00 | n17ikh | oh, ok |
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| 00:22:18 | n17ikh | writing the file pp5022.mi4 to the / directory and then booting into the OF works too, right? |
| 00:22:27 | linuxstb | No |
| 00:22:40 | linuxstb | Well, it it will, but you will overwrite the OF. |
| 00:22:40 | n17ikh | seems to have worked for me... |
| 00:22:52 | n17ikh | Oh. did I break it? >_> |
| 00:22:54 | linuxstb | s/it it will/it will work/ |
| 00:23:05 | linuxstb | Yes ;) |
| 00:23:09 | n17ikh | hehe |
| 00:23:16 | n17ikh | how do I fix it? just run sansapatcher on it? |
| 00:23:16 | linuxstb | Although now you have Rockbox USB mode to rescue you |
| 00:23:56 | n17ikh | actually, yeah, I don't care that much |
| 00:24:23 | linuxstb | I think you will need to use recovery mode to restore the OF, then run sansapatcher -a |
| 00:24:32 | n17ikh | ok |
| 00:24:34 | linuxstb | Or just forget about the OF |
| 00:24:48 | n17ikh | yeah, I might do that |
| 00:25:34 | n17ikh | so how did that work? I overwrote the OF *and* the bootloader with just the new bootloader? |
| 00:25:49 | kugel | only the OF |
| 00:26:01 | n17ikh | because it boots into rockbox on usb plug now, like it should |
| 00:26:02 | kugel | the OF bootloader is still present |
| 00:26:06 | n17ikh | so the old bootloader is gone |
| 00:26:13 | n17ikh | the old rockbox bootloader, that is |
| 00:27:12 | kugel | hm. I guess the OF bootloader loads the old rockbox bootloader, which in turn tries to load the OF (which you replaced by the new rockbox bootloader) |
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| 00:27:26 | n17ikh | heh |
| 00:27:30 | n17ikh | that's... convoluted |
| 00:27:40 | kugel | easy fix: replace the OF bootloader too ;) |
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| 00:28:24 | n17ikh | I think I'll get it in recovery mode and fix it |
| 00:28:47 | kugel | well, do what you want |
| 00:29:01 | kugel | I know a way to reduce the boottime down to <2 seconds |
| 00:29:08 | kugel | ~2s rather |
| 00:29:55 | n17ikh | how is that? |
| 00:30:09 | kugel | sansapatcher -bl |
| 00:30:35 | kugel | but be careful, it can mess all up, so that you'd sansapatcher, if you pass the wrong file |
| 00:30:50 | n17ikh | what do I replace the bootloader with? |
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| 00:31:26 | kugel | rockbox bootloader |
| 00:32:00 | n17ikh | oh, ok |
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| 00:32:20 | kugel | but not the PP5024.mi4 file! |
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| 00:33:04 | n17ikh | so pp5022.mi4 is the rockbox bootloader... but it isn't? |
| 00:33:39 | kugel | it's the Rockbox bootloader, yes |
| 00:33:58 | kugel | but it has some extra stuff with it which would break it |
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| 00:35:07 | kugel | for sansapatcher -bl you need the plain bootloader (bootloader.bin) |
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| 00:36:48 | n17ikh | ok, I see |
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| 00:38:11 | n17ikh | where can I find bootloader.bin? |
| 00:38:59 | kugel | It's not distributed, you need to compile it yourself |
| 00:39:07 | n17ikh | ah. |
| 00:40:05 | n17ikh | so that means setting up a cross-compile environment. |
| 00:40:17 | kadoban | yes |
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| 00:40:23 | n17ikh | well, forget it |
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| 00:45:15 | * | linuxstb wonders why whoever added the -bl option used the .bin version, not .mi4 like everything else |
| 00:45:26 | n17ikh | ugh |
| 00:45:38 | n17ikh | now sansapatcher won't run anymore because I don't have the sansa OF |
| 00:45:45 | n17ikh | it thinks it's the old-style rockbox install |
| 00:45:54 | linuxstb | Well, it is. |
| 00:46:06 | n17ikh | needs more force option |
| 00:46:22 | linuxstb | What are you trying to do? |
| 00:46:31 | n17ikh | write a new rockbox bootloader |
| 00:46:57 | linuxstb | I thought you just installed the new bootloader? |
| 00:47:02 | n17ikh | yeah, over the OF |
| 00:47:14 | n17ikh | I want it installed where the bootloader should be |
| 00:47:25 | n17ikh | because I planned on replacing the OF |
| 00:47:25 | cbecht | I have a sansa e260v2. I checked out rockbox from svn and built firmware for it. But I don't know how to dot he actual install. I can't find install instructions for the v2 since it isn't officially supported yet. Any tips? |
| 00:47:33 | linuxstb | n17ikh: So you have the bootloader.bin file now? |
| 00:47:41 | n17ikh | no, that's not what I'm trying to do. |
| 00:48:06 | linuxstb | Then I don't understand. The OF doesn't exist any more - hence the error from sansapatcher. |
| 00:48:08 | n17ikh | I'm replacing an old rockbox bootloader with a new rockbox bootloader, I'm leaving the OF bootloader alone. |
| 00:48:29 | linuxstb | Unless you've restored it. |
| 00:48:40 | n17ikh | well, I tried |
| 00:48:51 | n17ikh | sansapatcher said "the OF doesn't exist!" and refuses to do it. |
| 00:49:06 | n17ikh | using the -of option |
| 00:49:14 | linuxstb | Help me catch up. You firstly installed the new bootloader by copying the .mi4 file to drive and updating in the OF? |
| 00:49:26 | n17ikh | yes. |
| 00:49:30 | linuxstb | Then what did you do? |
| 00:49:33 | n17ikh | nothing. |
| 00:49:44 | cbecht | sansapatcher gives me this: |
| 00:49:47 | cbecht | [INFO] Scanning disk devices... |
| 00:49:47 | cbecht | [ERR] No E200s or C200s found, aborting |
| 00:49:47 | cbecht | [ERR] Please connect your sansa and ensure it is in UMS mode |
| 00:50:18 | linuxstb | n17ikh: I already said that that method of installing the bootloader overwrites the OF. That's why sansapatcher is telling you it doesn't exist. |
| 00:50:18 | cbecht | The device is connected and in UMS mode. I've tried with it mounted to /sansa and unmounted. |
| 00:50:27 | n17ikh | yeah, I know |
| 00:50:29 | linuxstb | cbecht: Are you root/Administrator? |
| 00:50:38 | cbecht | linuxstb: Yep. |
| 00:50:45 | n17ikh | I realize that the OF no longer exists. I've downloaded it again and am trying to replace it. |
| 00:51:00 | linuxstb | You need to use recovery mode for that. |
| 00:51:12 | cbecht | Does it require libusb or soemthing? |
| 00:51:12 | n17ikh | sansapatcher -of doesn't work? |
| 00:51:26 | linuxstb | No |
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| 00:53:04 | kugel | n17ikh: you can also drop the PP5024.mi4 into recovery mode |
| 00:53:18 | kugel | I mean the rb bootloader |
| 00:54:21 | n17ikh | wow, the OF takes a long time to boot |
| 00:54:26 | n17ikh | using the OF bootloader |
| 00:54:35 | cbecht | I'm using the sansapatcher linked from the e200v1 install instructions. Is there a later one that would understand the v2 hardware? Or should I be building that from svn? |
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| 00:57:51 | linuxstb | cbecht: sansapatcher doesn't work (and will never work) on the v2s. |
| 00:59:18 | cbecht | linuxstb: Ok. Well, my problem is that I am building svn firmware for my v2 and I can't find install instructions. So I was using the instructions from the v1 hoping they were sufficiently similar. Is there a better source of instructions? Or could you tell me how to get the rockbox bootloader installed? (I already have the .rockbox directory on the player) |
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| 01:01:15 | linuxstb | You need to use the mkamsboot tool in utils/mkamsboot/ - this combines the Rockbox bootloader (bootloader-xxxx.sansa) with an original firmware file to create a new firmware that you install on the device. |
| 01:05:59 | cbecht | Ah Ha! |
| 01:06:08 | cbecht | That was the missing bit of information I needed. Thanks |
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| 01:21:23 | Unhelpful | amiconn: and shift back to center when scrolling stops? the only problem i see there is if the number of slides that can be rendered on screen exceeds the number that can be cached, since it could turn into "the center slide and two to the right" while scrolling, and then shift to the center and the two adjacent to it when scrolling stops... and the cache will basically *always* be too small on most color targets that i've looked at, if |
| 01:21:24 | Unhelpful | it's restricted to the plugin buffer. |
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| 01:23:00 | webguestington | Hello there. |
| 01:23:52 | webguestington | Question: What might be causing my ipod to appear in ubuntu as a read-only file system? |
| 01:24:05 | linuxstb | Filesystem corruption. |
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| 01:24:26 | webguestington | what should i do? ? ? ? |
| 01:24:37 | linuxstb | Run fsck.vfat |
| 01:24:47 | webguestington | in terminal right? |
| 01:25:16 | linuxstb | Yes. Google can probably help you with the details (I don't know them off-hand) |
| 01:25:27 | webguestington | okay. thanks man. |
| 01:25:42 | linuxstb | You want to run it on the second partition - i.e. /dev/sdX2 |
| 01:30:22 | webguestington | so the format of the command would be like.. |
| 01:30:44 | webguestington | fsck.vfat -/dev/sdX2 ? |
| 01:32:46 | n1s | webguestington: run 'mount | grep -i ipod' to fid out which device it is |
| 01:33:05 | n1s | (I *think* that shoudl get it) |
| 01:33:30 | webguestington | thanks dude! that helped |
| 01:34:05 | webguestington | damn permission denied. should i just do sudo? |
| 01:34:11 | n1s | yes |
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| 01:34:30 | webguestington | schweet. progress. |
| 01:35:12 | webguestington | okay it says this: FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT? |
| 01:35:19 | webguestington | 1) Use first FAT |
| 01:35:24 | webguestington | 2) Use second FAT |
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| 01:35:45 | linuxstb | Toss a coin and pray... |
| 01:35:47 | n1s | webguestington: this is not really rockbox related, ask google |
| 01:35:55 | webguestington | hahah.. okay thanks guys. |
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| 01:44:11 | webguestington | so uh.. i'm pretty excited about watchmen, are you guys excited too? |
| 01:44:47 | krazykit | webguestington, this is an on-topic channel. please read the guidelines linked in the /topic |
| 01:44:59 | webguestington | yes sir. |
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| 02:33:09 | kugel | FlynDice: ping |
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| 02:49:27 | JdGordon | did someone change the default value for charge on usb connect? |
| 02:49:47 | Llorean | JdGordon: Huh? |
| 02:50:14 | Llorean | Dreamlayers reported charging isn't actually set up properly for iPod USB charging, I think. |
| 02:51:13 | JdGordon | im talking about h300 though... was the default always to not chage on usb connect? |
| 02:51:30 | Llorean | Yeah, don't know why. |
| 02:51:41 | Llorean | Is the Gigabeat S expected to charge over USB? |
| 02:52:33 | JdGordon | ok wierd.. i thought it was always enabled... that explains wy it didnt chagre last night |
| 02:52:36 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think it should in Rockbox itself, but not the bootloader. |
| 02:52:55 | JdGordon | its only a PP thing that it could be problematic right? |
| 02:53:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: It didn't *seem* to be charging in my car, but I'm not sure. It showed an icon next to the battery in the status bar, but the WPS didn't show charging, and when I reached my destination I don't think the battery level was any higher (but the Beast seems to have unreliable enough readings I'm not certain) |
| 02:54:22 | linuxstb | Llorean: I'm just going by what (IIRC) jhMikeS has said. |
| 02:54:59 | Llorean | Okay |
| 02:54:59 | JdGordon | Llorean: check the seting... thats what my h300 was doing last night and i couldnt figure out why it was still flat this morning |
| 02:55:08 | Llorean | JdGordon: I think the h300 is the only one *with* a setting |
| 02:55:28 | linuxstb | Looking at the source, jhMikeS may have enabled it for other targets. |
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| 02:55:39 | Llorean | Where's it located? |
| 02:56:04 | JdGordon | ah yes, you're right.. so why is it disabledby default? |
| 02:56:24 | Llorean | JdGordon: I think it has something to do with how the OF works? |
| 02:56:26 | linuxstb | Ah no, it seems only the H300 has HAVE_USB_CHARGING_ENABLE defined. |
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| 02:56:35 | Llorean | There's a setting in the OF for it, so for some reason we have a setting too. |
| 02:56:49 | JdGordon | thats a bit... odd |
| 02:57:38 | Llorean | I seem to recall some mention of it being a switch between 100 and 500, and if it's at 500 some PCs won't recognize it? |
| 02:58:00 | Llorean | I asked about it once out of curiosity, but it was a long time ago, and once again I could be confusing something else. |
| 02:58:39 | linuxstb | It all comes from here - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/4770 |
| 02:59:33 | linuxstb | It seems the H300 can draw too much power from an unpowered hub (to quote LinusN) |
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| 03:00:50 | JdGordon | ok |
| 03:00:58 | spidermang | hey uhh my ipod doesn't appear to be charging through usb |
| 03:01:57 | spidermang | how come you think? |
| 03:04:48 | kadoban | JdGordon: Have you gave any more thought to FS #9922 (statusbar not drawing in plugin menus) by any chance? i've checked into it a bit more and I don't see a much better way to fix the problem. It seems to be either force drawing it, or setting it changed (they both work). |
| 03:05:24 | JdGordon | i havnt looked into it yet, coding on thi laptop isnt much fun... |
| 03:05:42 | linuxstb | spidermang: I think that's a known issue. Which ipod? |
| 03:06:00 | kadoban | okay, no worries |
| 03:08:12 | JdGordon | kadoban: is it every plugin (which uses one of the 2 standard menus?) |
| 03:09:05 | kadoban | JdGordon: i believe so. It was every one where it was easy to get the menu to show up and disappear at least...let me look. |
| 03:09:33 | spidermang | 4g greyscale |
| 03:10:00 | spidermang | 40 gigs. |
| 03:10:30 | JdGordon | hmm.. start seems to be fubar |
| 03:11:43 | * | JdGordon slaps head... checking or this while charign is not a good idea |
| 03:12:52 | kadoban | JdGordon: yeah, it's all of them it appears |
| 03:13:30 | kadoban | star has a different graffical bug, but i think that's separate (it draws the statusbar over the menu title for some reason) |
| 03:13:47 | kadoban | graphical* ...wow |
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| 03:32:18 | FlynDice | kugel: Saw the patch I'll try it later tonight |
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| 03:55:36 | Platypus-Man | hello people, is the Sony NWZS738FB supported, or are there any future plans to support it? |
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| 03:56:52 | advcomp2019 | no and there is no plans too |
| 03:57:00 | Platypus-Man | okay |
| 03:57:07 | Platypus-Man | thanks for clearing it up |
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| 03:57:11 | saratoga | i guess you could check the wiki to see if anyone has ever expressed any interest in the device |
| 03:57:48 | kugel | saratoga: hi |
| 03:58:05 | kugel | any updates on the compiler/mp3? |
| 03:58:29 | saratoga | kugel: i'll probably take a look at it this weekend |
| 03:58:34 | saratoga | right now i'm really busy with research |
| 03:59:11 | saratoga | did you ever benchmark on newer gcc versions? |
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| 04:03:30 | kugel | saratoga: no, but given that my experiences were similar I wouldn't expect btter performace than 4.4.0 |
| 04:04:14 | kugel | I kept the compilers though (the binaries), so I should be able to compile new builds |
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| 04:06:23 | saratoga | kugel: someone reported some codecs being faster in 4.2 ages ago |
| 04:06:39 | saratoga | so maybe theres some chance |
| 04:07:01 | saratoga | but i guess it would be most interesting to look at coldfire and the gigabeast since gcc has more improvements for those processors |
| 04:09:43 | kugel | I have the m68k compiler built too |
| 04:10:04 | saratoga | i need to get one of those players to test with |
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| 04:47:45 | midgey | building the sim on os x has been broken for over a month :\ |
| 04:48:02 | midgey | r19775 was the last one working |
| 04:52:46 | midgey | Unhelpful: ping |
| 04:53:33 | Unhelpful | yes? |
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| 04:54:45 | midgey | the loader initialized plugin api changes seem to disagree with mac |
| 04:55:48 | Unhelpful | midgey: any idea why? |
| 04:56:21 | midgey | i'm trying to check it out right now, but it's a bit of a huge commit |
| 04:56:27 | Unhelpful | i sadly don't have a mac to test on, but my primary dev platform is linux, and sims work just fine, so it's some bsd-ish or osx-ish distinction... |
| 04:56:30 | midgey | let my pastebin the error |
| 04:56:48 | midgey | osx seems to break things all the time... |
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| 04:58:26 | webguestington | hey you guys.. my ipod's not charging on usb |
| 04:59:05 | midgey | Unhelpful: http://www.pastebin.ca/1348469 |
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| 05:00:02 | webguestington | it just started doing this.. and before that, i wasn't able to do the trick where you hold Menu and charge it without mounting it. |
| 05:00:23 | webguestington | ya know? |
| 05:00:57 | webguestington | midgey, does that mean there's no answer? |
| 05:01:23 | Unhelpful | webguestington: i don't have your answer, and maybe he doesn't, either. be patient. |
| 05:01:36 | midgey | you haven't really given people much time to respond |
| 05:02:00 | midgey | what type of iPod are you using? |
| 05:02:04 | webguestington | oh okay i gets it. i'm sorry guys. |
| 05:02:11 | webguestington | 4th gen greyscale |
| 05:02:41 | midgey | and which version of rockbox (svn revision)? |
| 05:03:04 | webguestington | latest release. |
| 05:03:30 | midgey | a revision number is preferred. latest release is ambiguous |
| 05:03:57 | midgey | some people mean 3.1, some mean a version they think is latest but is slightly out of date, etc |
| 05:04:00 | Unhelpful | midgey: what compiler are you using? |
| 05:04:25 | midgey | gcc version 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490) |
| 05:04:27 | low_light | JdGordon: is there an easy way to not display the statusbar on a remote, but still have it on the main screen? I kind of have the m:robe 100 remote working, but because of it's LCD size (79x16) the status bar doesn't fit. |
| 05:06:10 | midgey | Unhelpful: removing the attribute for the plugin_api in plugin.h seemed to help |
| 05:06:14 | Unhelpful | midgey: it *looks* like whatever gcc puts in the assembly to indicate that the variable has an assigned section doesn't agree with your assembler |
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| 05:07:32 | webguestington | i'm fairly certain it's 3.1. |
| 05:08:20 | webguestington | my ipod is dead, i was going to check rockbox info on there.. not sure how else i'd confirm. |
| 05:11:49 | webguestington | it's slightly aggravating because it just now started doing this.. |
| 05:12:22 | Unhelpful | the attribute is not strictly needed, i *think* for sim? it solves an init problem on target when iram is used. |
| 05:13:28 | midgey | i think ATTR_ICODE etc are blank for sims |
| 05:14:44 | midgey | webguestington: my 4G seems to be charging fine through usb, but I'm on a more recent verision |
| 05:15:37 | Unhelpful | midgey: by "seems to help", do you mean that it works if you remove the attribute? |
| 05:15:57 | midgey | r19777 was able to build successfully |
| 05:16:07 | midgey | i'm checking with latest svn |
| 05:16:48 | webguestington | should i get the latest daily build and try that? |
| 05:17:17 | midgey | it would probably be useful |
| 05:17:30 | midgey | you said you've never gotten it to charge through usb? |
| 05:20:30 | webguestington | nah it worked fine up until very recently, suddenly stopped working. |
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| 05:21:31 | midgey | and you hold menu (quickscreen should load) and insert the cable, then release menu? |
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| 05:21:47 | midgey | and no charger icon appears in the status bar? |
| 05:22:20 | webguestington | man.. i may have just been doin it wrong then. |
| 05:22:28 | webguestington | now it's just dead though lol |
| 05:22:32 | Unhelpful | midgey: you need to make sure that such a change is #ifdef'd for sim. it *will* break things on targets. |
| 05:23:00 | midgey | right, osx builds for targets without complaint so i wasn't going to touch that |
| 05:23:41 | midgey | is the attribute technically correct for the sim? i can probably come up with some ifdef magic to only change for osx |
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| 05:29:22 | webguestington | at which point should i release menu? is it too late by the time i see the usb cable graphic? |
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| 05:31:29 | Unhelpful | midgey: it's only telling the compiler and linker that the variable should be placed in a particular section of the object file. it *should* be valid on sim on osx. :/ |
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| 05:32:13 | midgey | the build environ tends to do crazy things on osx |
| 05:32:37 | midgey | there are other hacks in rockbox to get it to build |
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| 05:34:52 | midgey | for example, look around in the bitmaps folders and you'll see plenty of osx.dummy.bmp files |
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| 05:51:15 | midgey | JdGordon: around? |
| 05:52:01 | midgey | Unhelpful: thoughts on this patch? -> http://www.pastebin.ca/1348500 |
| 05:52:32 | midgey | with those changes, it's possible to build the sim on mac again |
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| 05:53:45 | Unhelpful | that seems generally sensible, but i'm not sure i follow how it makes sure that definition doesn't happen on sim, on osx? |
| 05:54:00 | Unhelpful | i'm assuming that's "outside" the patched portion? |
| 05:54:48 | midgey | the changes to config.h set DATA_ATTR to blank just like the other _ATTR macros |
| 05:55:31 | Unhelpful | i was about to say it should be defined in plugin on all targets, but i don't *think* it matters on sh1 |
| 05:56:11 | Unhelpful | i'd like an opinion from somebody who knows better about our hardware, and about iram init, but i'm *pretty* sure this is ok :) |
| 05:56:37 | midgey | i figured it made sense to keep all the ATTR defines in one place so i went with config |
| 05:57:53 | midgey | if anyone's opposed to me committing those changes, speak up over the next few hours |
| 05:58:32 | midgey | an alternative would be to use #ifdef __APPLE__ but I didn't want to add even more ifdefs |
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| 06:07:16 | JdGordon | midgey: yeah, hey |
| 06:07:17 | midgey | bah, ld on mac doesn't understand −−version |
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| 06:08:08 | JdGordon | midgey: are you having the same problem with the osx asim as lostlogic? he rekons its gcc bugs |
| 06:08:27 | midgey | err, what problem was he having? |
| 06:09:15 | JdGordon | i cant rember |
| 06:09:49 | midgey | rockboxdev.sh is evil on mac |
| 06:10:05 | midgey | sh can't be build without modifying it to use make -r |
| 06:11:49 | midgey | there's some status bar redraw problems in the debug menu |
| 06:12:10 | midgey | probably not critical to fix or anything, but might lead to hints on other problems |
| 06:13:40 | midgey | i was messing around in the "View Battery" screen and upon exit the status bar is redrawn pretty late |
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| 06:14:00 | midgey | it's more noticable if you go to the power status screen |
| 06:14:41 | midgey | the status bar is replaced with "Power status:" :P |
| 06:15:25 | JdGordon | yep, i see it... |
| 06:15:40 | midgey | stays like that until stepping back into the system menu or until the lcd goes to sleep and wakes back up |
| 06:16:13 | Unhelpful | anybody handy who knows tagcache much? i'm looking at the function in pictureflow that builds the cache of album names, and trying to get rid of that cache, since it's a bunch of string data, could save some space, etc. create_album_index is storing the string, the "index" of the album (not provided by tagcache, but by counting the number of albums retrieved so far), and the result_seek member of the tagcache_search structure |
| 06:16:41 | Unhelpful | i know that tagcache knows nothing of the index, and that can't be used to fetch the album name... can the seek value be used? |
| 06:17:55 | JdGordon | Unhelpful: Slasheri is the db person.. dont think anyon other than him knows its internals... |
| 06:18:07 | midgey | you could be the first! |
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| 06:19:50 | Unhelpful | midgey: careful, there, i ended up rewriting pretty hefty chunks of pictureflow |
| 06:19:59 | nowbehave | this question is concerning a "usa spec" pa15-toy, its a interface for the toyota, connects to the radio and makes the ipod seem as if its an external cd changer, the person who posted the question on March 16, 2007 asked if rockbox would work with the usa spec device, the answer was "Nope, the Apple Accessory Protocol is not supported, thus you can not control a Rockboxed iPod from your head unit. If you head |
| 06:20:18 | midgey | tagcache could probably use some love ;) |
| 06:20:28 | midgey | then go after playback.c |
| 06:21:07 | JdGordon | nowbehave: you gt cut off... but assuming your question is will it work, it might now... |
| 06:21:22 | JdGordon | midgey: haha you sadistic bastard :D |
| 06:22:36 | nowbehave | jdgordon, so would a smart way of going about it would be to just buy the usa spec device, install it, and see if it works? |
| 06:23:57 | JdGordon | well.. thats the only way to test it... nwe wont guarentee it will work though (unless somone has already reoprted it working) |
| 06:24:18 | JdGordon | oh.. it actuall might not |
| 06:24:41 | Unhelpful | it all depends on which parts of the protocol it needs |
| 06:24:42 | JdGordon | it deends if it takes control of the ipod or just lets you skip/seek ike a remote |
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| 06:26:15 | nowbehave | i think the interface just lets you skip around like a remote |
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| 06:26:31 | nowbehave | there is text too, but i dont need that, just need power and sound |
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| 06:28:36 | JdGordon | how much is it? |
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| 06:34:56 | nowbehave | its 139, i am reading a forum now, it talks about this kinda http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8624 it says teh status is closed and it is assigned to no one, thats a not a good thing right? |
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| 06:35:10 | nowbehave | jdgordon : $139 |
| 06:37:06 | kadoban | nowbehave: look at the reason for closing ("Accepted"). that means that it was accepted to svn and is now in rockbox |
| 06:38:43 | nowbehave | aha! |
| 06:38:47 | Unhelpful | it would appear that i can use the value saved for the purpose of finding the albums tracks to fetch its title from the tagcache, as well. i'm not sure if the performance will be reasonable... i'll get my local stuff in order and give it a try :) |
| 06:41:07 | nowbehave | thanks jdgordon, kadoban, and unhelpful, |
| 06:42:58 | midgey | now why would ld -v print to stderr instead of stdout... |
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| 06:48:53 | Unhelpful | the result field of a tagcache_search structure is char *, rather than an array in the structure - i assume i need to strcpy if i want to keep the contents, as it's allocated from a buffer somewhere in core? |
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| 07:03:11 | * | midgey adds another osx hack |
| 07:15:52 | Unhelpful | we appear to be working without an album names cache, just a reserved string the size of the longest album name, and an array of albums and their seek values :D |
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| 07:18:22 | fml | How about this for the "natural sorting" setting: Setting "Sorting of file names with (or: containing) numbers" with the options "Smart: 1_One, 2_Two, 10_Ten" and "As Text (or: Plain, or:Dumb): 1_One, 10_Ten, 2_Two"? |
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| 07:20:22 | kadoban | that looks overly verbose to the point of being confusing |
| 07:22:10 | * | Unhelpful still prefers "numeric" sort, as there is absolutely nothing else especially "natural" about the implemented method :/ |
| 07:22:51 | kadoban | it's natural in the sense of the natural numbers, i'm pretty sure. it's known as that in USA somewhat commonly |
| 07:23:22 | kadoban | but yeah, i thought that the example list things primary purpose was to avoid having to call it anything in particular... |
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| 07:27:23 | kadoban | I'm working on adding Playback Control to all plugins possible, and i'm down to the ones that just don't have a menu at all. Here's what I'm thinking: instead of just quitting for many of them, instead go to a menu with Playback Control and Quit. Does that seem horrible? |
| 07:28:38 | JdGordon | have you got a lit of the plugins wich dont use a stanard menu? |
| 07:29:38 | kadoban | the ones that use a non-standard menu, or the ones that don't have any menu at all? (either way, it's in FS #9953). the only ones included are the ones i'm considering or have already added playback control to though |
| 07:30:00 | kadoban | the second bunch are "doesn't have a menu", and the third bunch are "has a non-standard menu" |
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| 07:31:59 | Unhelpful | kadoban: pictureflow isn't on your list? |
| 07:32:24 | kadoban | Unhelpful: oh, i don't know if i even considered pictureflow...let me look at it |
| 07:33:08 | Unhelpful | you don't list it under any of your categories. it lacks playback control, and i'm in the process of making it actually work during playback (it doesn't work, now, if buffer is full) |
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| 07:33:53 | kadoban | yeah, i left some out for various reasons. i think pictureflow was purely laziness...i don't use album art, so it wouldn't run and i didn't get around to trying it |
| 07:34:31 | kadoban | if it works during playback though, i'd definitely work something up for it |
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| 07:35:04 | kadoban | (once i does i mean) |
| 07:35:09 | kadoban | it* |
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| 07:39:03 | kadoban | anyway, for the menu-instead-of-quiiting-directly thing, it can be made fairly unobtrusive by the standard move-out-of-menu buttons being mapped to quit unless Playback Control has been used since the menu opened. if anyone thinks that the idea is particularly stupid, let me know in the next hour or so...otherwise i'll code up a patch. |
| 07:40:15 | Unhelpful | maybe just have a menu with "playback control" and "quit" in it, for plugins that lack any menu right now? |
| 07:40:50 | kadoban | yeah, that's the idea. the other ones i've either just added a new menu item or converted them to standard menus and added an item |
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| 08:08:19 | midgey | any thoughts on the DATA_ATTR patch I posted earlier? |
| 08:09:49 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Really? I can't imagine that a target won't be able to cache at least 5 slides. |
| 08:10:49 | amiconn | But of course the cache center shifting while scrolling would be an optimisation, and trying to cache at least all visible slides would have priority |
| 08:13:53 | amiconn | Another important point (when the cache is large enough) is to make sure the disk won't be spinning up every time you scroll |
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| 08:39:17 | JdGordon | kadoban: midgey: well, i have a fix which should fix every bar problem hen its displayed with lists... but its very bandaid and not very nice in its current form.. but it works |
| 08:40:16 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/m7ec9083a |
| 08:41:13 | midgey | well if you don't come up with a better fix, it will probably be at least worth committing to the 3.2 branch just before release |
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| 08:45:37 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i think more than the plugin buffer is needed, if you want to scroll more than a few slides without going to disk. based on the average slide size, and reported buffer remaining after init on my beast, there is room for ~9 slides in the cache |
| 08:45:57 | amiconn | sure |
| 08:46:08 | JdGordon | grr, well this fix works, but now the statusbar is displayed over the logo on boot... is that bad? |
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| 08:46:12 | amiconn | But 9 slides are already more than the visible ones |
| 08:46:22 | amiconn | JdGordon: yes |
| 08:46:36 | JdGordon | thts what i thought... |
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| 08:49:07 | JdGordon | fixed :) |
| 08:49:26 | gartral | would it be possible to have rockbox drop the USB connection on a long key press or something similar? like when you hold center to keep rockbox usable and not initialise USB, just charge? |
| 08:49:40 | JdGordon | rtfm.... |
| 08:49:44 | JdGordon | it does that already |
| 08:50:28 | gartral | JdGordon: i mean after USB is initialised, not before |
| 08:50:39 | midgey | in theory it is possible |
| 08:50:48 | midgey | i believe it was suggested the other day |
| 08:50:57 | Unhelpful | yes, but only by very few, so that scrolling one or two slides goes to disk... unless there's extra buffer from core. also, you can get, although it looks a bit cramped, 9 slides on screen on ipodvideo |
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| 08:52:11 | amiconn | Dropping the usb connection "by force" would be very unclean |
| 08:52:25 | gartral | no worse than just unplugging the device |
| 08:52:53 | amiconn | What could (and probably should) be done is that rockbox exits the usb screen when you disconnect safely |
| 08:53:16 | Unhelpful | right now it doesn't ever attempt to cache more than the "number of slides" setting * 2 + 1 slides, although if the cache buffer is large enough, more slides may be left cached in the direction you've just scrolled from, since they're cached LRU |
| 08:54:01 | kadoban | the only reason i ever see that being useful is if rockbox gets confused and still thinks the USB is active when it really isn't. does that ever happen? (it doesn't to me) |
| 08:54:22 | JdGordon | OH FFS!!! part of the bar problem not redrawing is because of the screens which block in their button loops... |
| 08:54:39 | gartral | its an afterthough in response too http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=20752.0 |
| 08:57:27 | JdGordon | hmm... maybe not... |
| 08:57:29 | * | JdGordon confused |
| 08:58:02 | * | midgey commits some GSoC-related work |
| 08:58:14 | midgey | very minimal, don't get too excited |
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| 09:00:02 | kadoban | JdGordon: isn't the problem fairly simple? it seems that there is simply no force drawing of the statusbar when lists open, so unless there is new information the statusbar doesn't actually get drawn. i guess there is code that's supposed to be doing the right thing somewhere that i didn't see/understand? |
| 09:01:09 | JdGordon | kadoban: well, yes and no... its *supposed* to force a redraw when the bar gets toggled which should do it, but it looks like somebad ordering somewhere is stopping it |
| 09:01:27 | kadoban | oh okay, that makes sense |
| 09:01:29 | JdGordon | so yes your fix wil work, but mine is doing the same thing, 1 level further "down" |
| 09:01:59 | kadoban | yeah, i couldn't figure out that bit...if it can be done further down that makes a lot of sense |
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| 09:11:27 | gartral | hmm... i noticed after using rockbox solely without the OF on e200, the battery drops 2-3 percent almost mediately, where as charging till the OF says full, the level stays at 100 percent for a while |
| 09:12:10 | gartral | this is before i start playing anything, or use any buttons, btw |
| 09:16:18 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i wasn't sure, but i think midgey's patch here should be ok? http://www.pastebin.ca/1348500 |
| 09:17:03 | Unhelpful | it seems that if iram isn't in use, the problem solved by moving the API pointer to the data section never arises anyway, right? |
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| 09:19:28 | JdGordon | oh bloody hell... im a moron.. i tihnk i see the problem |
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| 09:20:49 | pj188899 | yo i just have a quick ipod 5th gem question! |
| 09:20:57 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Atm this is correct, although it doesn't hurt to have it always there |
| 09:21:26 | pj188899 | anyon here use rock box on a 5thgen ipod? |
| 09:21:26 | amiconn | It increases the plugin file size by 4 bytes. Memory usage doesn't change at all |
| 09:21:41 | pj188899 | anyon here use rock box on a 5thgen ipod? |
| 09:22:03 | midgey | plenty of people do, just ask your question |
| 09:22:05 | kadoban | pj188899: probably several people :) it's more efficient if you just ask your question and anyone who knows can respond |
| 09:22:19 | pj188899 | well how do i add sort by artist? |
| 09:22:39 | midgey | Unhelpful: see r20124 ;) |
| 09:22:47 | Lss | what do you mean by add? |
| 09:22:52 | Lss | isnt it already in? |
| 09:23:08 | Unhelpful | midgey: ah, i didn't know you'd already committed it. don't i look silly. :) |
| 09:23:38 | JdGordon | kadoban: i said it would be an easy fix... and it is... :'( |
| 09:23:45 | JdGordon | should have seen this weeks ago |
| 09:24:13 | kadoban | JdGordon: ahaha, thanks a lot for rooting it out. |
| 09:24:25 | pj188899 | its not in mine |
| 09:24:32 | pj188899 | its only alphabeticaly |
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| 09:25:10 | Lss | which version are you on? |
| 09:25:14 | pj188899 | 3.1 |
| 09:25:22 | Lss | are you accessing it from file system or database? |
| 09:25:27 | pj188899 | file |
| 09:25:33 | Lss | how are your files ordered? |
| 09:25:39 | pj188899 | like normaly? |
| 09:25:43 | pj188899 | artist i think |
| 09:25:49 | Lss | the folder structure? |
| 09:25:56 | Lss | the file names? |
| 09:26:07 | pj188899 | it just reorders them file banes |
| 09:26:09 | pj188899 | names |
| 09:26:13 | kadoban | files in the File Browser are simply sorted by filename. if you want something more exotic, you need to use the database |
| 09:26:19 | Lss | give an example of the filename |
| 09:26:27 | pj188899 | like |
| 09:26:38 | pj188899 | 09flyaway.mp3 |
| 09:26:46 | pj188899 | is at the top |
| 09:26:47 | Lss | thats why there is no way to sort by artist |
| 09:26:51 | Lss | like kadoban said |
| 09:26:52 | pj188899 | in sted of in like N |
| 09:27:08 | Lss | browsing by file is normal in this case |
| 09:27:15 | pj188899 | oh ok |
| 09:27:21 | pj188899 | its just hard as fuck with 600 songs |
| 09:27:26 | gartral | in reversi it says "Gave over. <TEAM> have won" it should be "has won".... |
| 09:27:34 | pj188899 | and you dont know who the artist is |
| 09:27:35 | Lss | file view doesnt access any tags the file might have |
| 09:27:43 | Lss | which include the artist name |
| 09:27:52 | pj188899 | well how do i access the tags? |
| 09:27:57 | Lss | dude i have around 4000 on mine |
| 09:28:01 | Lss | use database instead |
| 09:28:24 | pj188899 | ok |
| 09:28:30 | gartral | im going to submit a patch to correct that typo, if anyone is intrested |
| 09:28:47 | Lss | grammer nazi :P |
| 09:28:52 | pj188899 | ;p; |
| 09:28:54 | Lss | jusnt kidding |
| 09:29:04 | JdGordon | midgey: did you miss a file in your commit? you seem to have removed code only? |
| 09:29:08 | Lss | or just kill the have/has |
| 09:29:15 | pj188899 | hold on why is it going over 600? |
| 09:29:17 | Lss | and just leave it as <TEAM> won |
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| 09:29:20 | pj188899 | 707 |
| 09:29:24 | pj188899 | only got 514 songs? |
| 09:29:32 | Lss | maybe you have more than you think or something |
| 09:29:40 | pj188899 | i cant i just reformated... |
| 09:29:43 | pj188899 | lol |
| 09:29:43 | Lss | that probably means some files are not tagged |
| 09:29:50 | pj188899 | not tagged in my folder? |
| 09:29:54 | pj188899 | i crtl a |
| 09:29:55 | pj188899 | lol |
| 09:29:57 | Lss | no tagged in the file |
| 09:30:02 | pj188899 | in the folder i was adding |
| 09:30:04 | kadoban | i think it counts all files or something like that |
| 09:30:07 | Lss | tags are part of the file itself |
| 09:30:08 | pj188899 | maybe.. |
| 09:30:09 | Lss | not the folder |
| 09:30:16 | midgey | JdGordon: that's all there is to that commit. it was a small piece that shouldn't have any effect on svn |
| 09:30:25 | pj188899 | ok so its done now what? |
| 09:30:34 | Lss | i suggest going through all your songs |
| 09:30:41 | JdGordon | midgey: ok just checking.... looks odd |
| 09:30:45 | midgey | i'll try saving the genlang changes and lang structures changes until later |
| 09:30:52 | kadoban | pj188899: have you taken a look at the manual by any chance? rockbox's manual is quite good |
| 09:31:01 | pj188899 | yes i have |
| 09:31:06 | Lss | its too wordy for most ppl to be truthful |
| 09:31:28 | pj188899 | this is like a major function for me |
| 09:31:34 | pj188899 | i have a 30gb ipod |
| 09:31:39 | pj188899 | and i can fill it in like 10 seconds |
| 09:31:41 | pj188899 | BUT |
| 09:31:44 | Lss | lol mine is 80gig |
| 09:31:50 | Lss | i have almost 3 times yoru problems |
| 09:31:52 | pj188899 | i dont want ot fi i can view files by artist.. |
| 09:32:25 | pj188899 | it dont matter.. |
| 09:32:30 | pj188899 | just asking why it was doing that |
| 09:32:48 | Lss | if you only have mp3 and dont mind itunes you could sync your ipod under the official firmware |
| 09:32:53 | Lss | so its properly tagged |
| 09:32:58 | Lss | and then fire up database |
| 09:33:16 | Lss | as a added bonus your songs would work both under rockbox and official firmware |
| 09:33:17 | pj188899 | idk how |
| 09:33:31 | pj188899 | i just added rock box |
| 09:33:31 | Lss | just use the ipod the usual way with itunes |
| 09:33:41 | pj188899 | nah im good i hat itunes.. |
| 09:33:43 | pj188899 | hate |
| 09:33:45 | Lss | after you are done you boot to rockbox and initialise the database |
| 09:33:51 | Lss | or update it if its already there |
| 09:34:00 | Lss | then its not a problem i gues |
| 09:34:02 | Lss | guess |
| 09:34:09 | pj188899 | idk how to boot something ona ipod.. |
| 09:34:23 | kadoban | JdGordon: thanks again, that fix seems to work great so far :) |
| 09:34:25 | Lss | -.- its in the manual |
| 09:34:31 | Lss | it explains it faster than i do |
| 09:34:43 | pj188899 | did you READ the MANUAL FULLY? |
| 09:35:13 | Lss | to be truthful probably around 40% |
| 09:35:20 | pj188899 | ok then |
| 09:35:31 | Lss | i skipped alot of stuff which is either intuitive or not relavent to me |
| 09:35:59 | pj188899 | comming data base 1/9? |
| 09:36:59 | pj188899 | oh i got it thanks |
| 09:37:20 | pj188899 | this is better |
| 09:37:24 | pj188899 | thanks alot |
| 09:37:35 | n1s | i'd recomend looking at the quick start chapter and the "browsing and playing" one |
| 09:38:14 | pj188899 | i am now |
| 09:38:23 | Lss | but there is merit when ppl say that the controls in rockbox isnt standardised |
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| 09:38:39 | Lss | the method of reversing to the previous page doenst exactly stay consistant |
| 09:38:53 | Lss | or exiting a game/application/demo |
| 09:39:17 | Unhelpful | Lss: it's pretty consistent in core, i'd say. plugins all handle keys themselves, so inconsistency there is not remoting surprising. |
| 09:39:33 | Lss | ok what about the playlist menu |
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| 09:40:32 | gartral | ok, patch at fs#9960 |
| 09:40:41 | n1s | yes, rockbox could be improved in this area, there are a few qurkiy button maps |
| 09:40:51 | pj188899 | so how do i turn this off now? |
| 09:41:01 | pj188899 | is there a restart ? |
| 09:41:09 | pj188899 | the ipod itself i mean sorry |
| 09:41:25 | Lss | hit and hold play |
| 09:41:33 | n1s | pj188899: that is also in the manual... |
| 09:41:45 | pj188899 | yeah your to late.. |
| 09:41:48 | Lss | dont bother turning it off |
| 09:41:55 | Lss | turning it on is a bitch |
| 09:41:58 | Lss | pretty long wait |
| 09:42:01 | pj188899 | i already new i thought it would be diffrent |
| 09:42:04 | pj188899 | no really |
| 09:42:05 | gartral | reversi also has a quirky long press read, it accepts the initial press then the long press afterward, im going to look into changing this |
| 09:42:10 | pj188899 | not really its not that ong |
| 09:44:13 | pj188899 | nvm now i see what you mean .. |
| 09:44:17 | pj188899 | it only found nine? |
| 09:44:41 | Unhelpful | probably some of your files lack tags? |
| 09:44:50 | pj188899 | probabl |
| 09:44:54 | pj188899 | probably |
| 09:45:43 | pj188899 | well i guess ill be tagging some songs.. |
| 09:45:52 | Lss | good luck |
| 09:45:55 | Lss | i started in 2006 |
| 09:46:01 | Lss | it never ended since |
| 09:46:58 | pj188899 | i dont have that many songs.. |
| 09:46:59 | pj188899 | lol |
| 09:47:05 | pj188899 | why didny you just get an autoer? |
| 09:47:08 | scorche | lets keep this ontopic please... |
| 09:47:11 | gartral | i have just shy of 1000 tracks |
| 09:47:31 | Lss | i realised that everyone has their own tagging style |
| 09:47:36 | Lss | which messes up my own style |
| 09:47:44 | Lss | so auto taggers are mostly bad |
| 09:47:46 | * | scorche coughs |
| 09:47:54 | Lss | ok oops |
| 09:47:55 | pj188899 | not if its custom lol |
| 09:47:59 | pj188899 | lol |
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| 10:08:24 | * | pixelma wonders whether rockblox works correctly on Ipod Mini or 1st-3rd gen Ipods now |
| 10:12:05 | B4gder | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=20774.0 <= spam or just off-topic? |
| 10:12:18 | B4gder | and wrong forum section anyhow |
| 10:12:59 | scorche | i say spam...it is their first post and why do we care about converting to xen format? |
| 10:13:03 | scorche | zen too |
| 10:13:04 | gartral | just off topic, but someone surly did a lot of work to make it |
| 10:13:55 | scorche | no...certainly spam...and if not, it has nothing to do with rockbox anyway |
| 10:14:01 | B4gder | well, the phrasing made it sound like a sales pitch more than a friendly advice |
| 10:14:39 | B4gder | "Designed and manufactured by Creative Technology, the new player of Creative family Creative Zen sounds fantastic and features a brilliant color screen capable of displaying photos and video" |
| 10:14:57 | B4gder | bla bla bla |
| 10:15:10 | * | scorche points to the trashbin |
| 10:15:13 | kadoban | that's spam...i kept expecting it to start trying to sell me viagra |
| 10:15:25 | linuxstb | B4gder: Definitely spam... |
| 10:15:38 | B4gder | I moved it |
| 10:17:45 | kadoban | Could anyone take a glance at this and see if they have any big objections? http://www.majidejima.com/playback-or-quit.patch I mentioned it earlier but it's a way to add the Playback Control menu to plugins without menus. Instead of immediately exiting, it brings up a small menu with Playback Control and Quit. |
| 10:18:22 | kadoban | (just want to check before i add it to a whole bunch of plugins only to find out it's awful) |
| 10:20:17 | gartral | i'm trying to figure out why reversi registers both the *press* of the center key, and *then* brings up the context menu... as far as i can tell, i should just be able to invert the placement of 2 lines, and have it work |
| 10:21:51 | kadoban | gartral: and does it work if you do so? |
| 10:22:00 | gartral | i can't build... |
| 10:22:40 | linuxstb | gartral: It probably just uses something like "BUTTON_NAME", but it should be "BUTTON_NAME | BUTTON_REL" - so it does the short-press action on release, not first press. Or maybe you can switch to using the action API.... |
| 10:24:35 | pixelma | right above the BUTTON_REPEAT one - assuming you are looking at the Sansa keymaps |
| 10:25:26 | gartral | yes |
| 10:25:49 | gartral | eventually i'll identify all the "offendin values" and change them |
| 10:25:53 | pixelma | linuxstb: I hope you don't mean PLA... |
| 10:26:17 | pixelma | gartral: as far as I can see there only is one |
| 10:27:25 | gartral | yes, the sansa specific ones are combined, but i meant across the entire file |
| 10:28:56 | kadoban | it looks like the _PRE stuff is only set up for ondio |
| 10:29:01 | kadoban | i assume that that's the problem |
| 10:29:08 | pixelma | only the Ondio keymap use long press vs. short press of a button - and it already checks BUTTON_REL and BUTTON_REPEAT |
| 10:29:35 | linuxstb | pixelma: No - that's why I just said "Action API" ;) |
| 10:29:49 | pixelma | kadoban: I think it's only needed for button combos but am not sure at the moment |
| 10:30:17 | kadoban | pixelma: sansa uses the long press as well, and the _PRE isn't set up...at least i think that's right |
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| 10:37:57 | pixelma | well as linuxstb pointed out - the other use of the Select button should have a BUTTON_REL , could be all that's needed |
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| 10:39:48 | gartral | thats what im trying now... |
| 10:42:23 | pixelma | I wonder about the ALT_MAKE_MOVE for the Ondio pad - why it is there. My guess is that someone just copied the sudoku keymaps without thinking (or asking) |
| 10:42:59 | gartral | http://gar.pastebin.com/mccc1d91 <−− ok, replaced by a dif |
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| 11:04:05 | gartral | should i submit a FS for this new patch? |
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| 11:18:12 | Lss | just something random but is it possible to flip the screen so i can use my ipod upsidedown? |
| 11:20:02 | DarkSpectrum | is there a pre-compiled download for the sansa clip i can experiment with? |
| 11:22:44 | Unhelpful | you could check the unsupported builds forum, or the port's new port thread, or wiki page, but generally unsupported targets are not really ready for the general public... |
| 11:22:50 | gartral | FS #9961 is my new patch. and Lss yes, upside down mode is under settings>general settings>display>LCD settings>Upside down *IF* the hardware supports it |
| 11:23:44 | gartral | hey, shouldn't that be called Display Settings for consistency? |
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| 11:23:46 | n1s | kadoban: maybe i am not the target user of playback controls in the plufins, never understood why we want them at all but I *do* value quick exit in simple plugins and would rather not see an extra menu added just to be able to skip to the next track |
| 11:24:09 | DarkSpectrum | ty been lookin for hours and couldnt find anything pre-compiled |
| 11:24:51 | n1s | gartral: Settings->Display->Display Settings? |
| 11:25:37 | n1s | btw _LCD_ settings are seperate from display settings, the lcd settings are for the lcd and display is more general app settings |
| 11:25:50 | kadoban | n1s: does it matter that it's pretty easy to exit from? (on e200 << and power both exit from that menu) |
| 11:26:11 | Lss | dang its not there |
| 11:26:23 | Lss | may i know which ipods actually support this? |
| 11:26:37 | gartral | n1s: thats the path too the upside down mode in my e250 |
| 11:26:50 | n1s | kadoban: so if you press << in the menu it exits the plugin? |
| 11:27:35 | kadoban | n1s: yes. how i have it now is if you don't first go into the Playback Control manaully (select or >>), the normal "get me out of this menu" buttons will exit the plugin |
| 11:28:02 | n1s | gartral: no, my point was that if you changed "LCD settings" to "Display settings" it would be a very weird menu structure |
| 11:28:04 | kadoban | if you go into that menu first, it assumes you just wanted to mess with playback and will resume after |
| 11:28:20 | Unhelpful | kadoban: that seems somwhat unintuitive to me, shouldn't that return you to the plugin? |
| 11:29:06 | n1s | yes, that is not how menus work regularly in rockbox, they tend to return to where they were opened if you exit |
| 11:29:16 | kadoban | Unhelpful: i don't know, it's easy enough to do, but i wanted to make it unobtrusive to exit (another quick button press of the button you probably pressed to get there instead of selecting Quit from the menu) |
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| 11:30:58 | gartral | wrong place kadoban, i was thinking settings>General settings>Display Settings>LCD Settings, instead of settings>General settings>Display Settings>LCD Settings |
| 11:31:10 | gartral | wrong place kadoban, i was thinking settings>General settings>Display Settings>LCD Settings, instead of settings>General settings>Display>LCD Settings |
| 11:31:19 | kadoban | gartral: i have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 11:32:24 | kadoban | so yeah, i don't know. there's two competing preferences: easy/quick exit of the plugin, and consistency in menus. i don't really know which should win out |
| 11:32:33 | gartral | wrong place n1s, i was thinking settings>General settings>Display Settings>LCD Settings, instead of settings>General settings>Display>LCD Settings, sorry kadoban |
| 11:33:23 | pixelma | gartral: I think you meant Lss - but according to the manual, e.g. the Ipod Video really doesn't have it (it's probably not known how to) |
| 11:33:33 | kadoban | we could of course stick with the current state of affairs, and just not have playback control in those games, but it makes it kind of suck to use them long term while listening to music |
| 11:33:53 | n1s | gartral: ok, then i misunderstood but note how none of the entries under General Settings contain the word "Settings" |
| 11:33:54 | pixelma | well, Rockbox is about music ;) |
| 11:35:56 | kadoban | right, that's why i want to add playback control to as many plugins as it makes sense to :) |
| 11:36:00 | * | linuxstb thinks it would be nice if all games saved their state when exiting, and automatically resumed when started |
| 11:37:15 | kadoban | that would add a decent amount of complexity though |
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| 11:39:19 | * | n1s agrees with linuxstb |
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| 11:40:08 | kadoban | so is the idea of having a menu instead of directly quitting just fundamentally bad? |
| 11:41:47 | Unhelpful | kadoban: i favor consistency, in this case, put the playback menu anywhere we can |
| 11:42:20 | kadoban | Unhelpful: alright, that was my feeling as well. i guess i'll just continue, it's easy to change the behavior of the menu itself at a later time anyway |
| 11:43:22 | * | gartral agrees with Unhelpful |
| 11:43:56 | * | n1s already stated his opinion |
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| 11:50:01 | robin0800 | jaunty alpha4 won't see my sansa c240 upgraded today with bootloader patch log sayes usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
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| 12:15:33 | n1s | robin0800: do you have "start screen" set to "resume playback" ? |
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| 12:24:50 | gartral | how do i tell how big database is without/before committing it too ram? |
| 12:28:33 | robin0800 | yes |
| 12:29:11 | n1s | robin0800: theres a bug that prevents usb connect on startup with that setting so either disable it or start rockbox before connecting usb |
| 12:29:41 | advcomp2019 | robin0800, you can change that to main menu.. look at FS #9957 if i remember right |
| 12:30:19 | n1s | s/disable/change/ |
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| 12:58:50 | gartral | how do i tell how big database is without/before committing it too ram? |
| 12:59:00 | gartral | big a |
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| 13:03:15 | gartral | hmm.. setting a songs rating/times played doesn't work with database ready (not in ram) and gather runtime data set to yes |
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| 13:10:19 | gartral | i belive i had this problem a while ago, but cant remember when |
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| 13:38:55 | Alex00088 | I just loaded a .cfg file, after not doing that for months. Is it just me, or has that been sped up A LOT? |
| 13:40:37 | Llorean | Bagder: The way it was explained to me, the host operating system is the problem. We're exporting it as a block device, and it expects to be the only user of the file system. So at best, I guess maybe Rockbox could be in read-only mode during that time, but I seem to recall there were other complications too. |
| 13:42:43 | Llorean | Alex00088: iPod 5G? |
| 13:42:53 | Alex00088 | Sansa c240 |
| 13:43:16 | Llorean | I don't remember any recent changes to flash access on it, but I could be wrong. |
| 13:43:27 | Alex00088 | If it hasn't been sped up, what might I be doing different to get it to load faster? |
| 13:44:28 | Llorean | You might've been experiencing a bug before, or been doing it during periods of playback when the CPU and flash were busy? |
| 13:45:27 | Alex00088 | I don't know. Right now they load in a few seconds, but a few months ago, I think it could take ~1 minute |
| 13:45:44 | Llorean | That should never have been the case. Whatever caused it, something was wrong. |
| 13:46:03 | Llorean | I thought you were talking maybe dropping from 2-3 seconds to less than 1 second. |
| 13:46:27 | Alex00088 | hmm |
| 13:46:36 | Alex00088 | well I'm happy now. Thanks. |
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| 13:48:19 | Alex00088 | btw - it might have been closer to 30 seconds - I'm not sure. Have a good one! |
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| 13:52:23 | Casainho | hello :-) |
| 13:53:22 | gartral | hmm.. setting a songs rating/times played doesn't work with database ready (not in ram) and gather runtime data set to yes... any thoughts? its my e250..\ |
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| 14:03:05 | gartral | is there anyway to tell hoe big the database is without/before committing the whole thing too RAM? |
| 14:04:05 | Llorean | If it's too big for your tastes, turn it off and reboot again. |
| 14:09:25 | gartral | ram lists are in bytes, right? (im 80% sue they are, i'm just making 100% sure) |
| 14:09:50 | Llorean | I don't even know what you mean by "ram lists" |
| 14:10:49 | gartral | where it shows how much ram its using versus how much is there too use |
| 14:11:34 | gartral | all rockbox says is "RAM: 134028/167216" |
| 14:12:03 | gartral | thats under Database Info in the debug menu |
| 14:12:15 | Llorean | That's how much it's using, out of how much is reserved for it. |
| 14:12:23 | Llorean | Should be in bytes, yes. |
| 14:13:26 | gartral | :) thank you |
| 14:14:23 | Llorean | I seem to recall you have an e200, in which case you really shouldn't care about RAM usage. |
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| 14:18:19 | Casainho | I would like help in understand the audio drivers. I would like to know if pcm_play_data_start() is called and DMA ends the transfer, how do Rockbox firmware knows that should transfer more data using DMA? |
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| 14:23:00 | Casainho | There is a comment "Set up the DMA transfer that kicks in when the audio FIFO gets empty" for pcm_play_dma_start() on pcm-coldfire.c −− I would like to know when firmware knows that FIFO is empty... |
| 14:24:07 | Casainho | I understand that DMA transfer data from that FIFO to I2S, however don't understand what and when triggers the DMA transfer, when it finish to transfer the FIFO everytime... |
| 14:25:25 | * | Nico_P wonders whether FS #8894 could be included into 3.2 |
| 14:26:24 | linuxstb | Casainho: Look in firmware/pcm.c - the dma handler will call the get_more() function passed to pcm_play_data() each time it finishes a transfer. |
| 14:27:47 | Casainho | linuxstb: where is the DMA handler? |
| 14:28:11 | linuxstb | That's what you have to write - the ISR that is called when DMA is complete. |
| 14:28:43 | Casainho | ah, okok - I think I understand. |
| 14:28:55 | linuxstb | There should be one in pcm-coldfire.c |
| 14:29:54 | Casainho | yes, there is one. I will look on it to understand. That code on coldfire port have good comments, it helps me ;-) |
| 14:31:31 | Casainho | linuxstb: I don't understand this: "get_more = pcm_callback_for_more;" −− what is a callback? |
| 14:32:06 | B4gder | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callback_(computer_science) |
| 14:32:15 | MTee | linuxstb : how do know all of these stuff ? :) |
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| 14:38:21 | linuxstb | MTee: I've written an audio driver for Rockbox (the first ipod drivers)... |
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| 14:40:37 | Casainho | linuxstb, Bagder : I think I understand now better the code - I am ready to make it working on this weekend ;-) |
| 14:40:43 | Casainho | thanks ;-) |
| 14:40:44 | Casainho | bye bye |
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| 14:41:02 | MTee | oh I see |
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| 15:46:55 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Is it possible to do CPU boosting on the Gigabeat S like we do on other targets (and if so, have we tried to see if we get battery life gain?) |
| 15:49:29 | gartral | the e250 v1s only have 32 megs of ram right? |
| 15:49:40 | Llorean | Right |
| 15:50:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | The c200 series also have 32MB of RAM. |
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| 15:53:59 | * | gartral leans to distinguish bytes from kilobytes |
| 15:55:48 | ender` | 32MB RAM is now "only"? :) |
| 15:57:18 | gartral | nah, i missread the size of something a few times and it confused me, i saw what i thought was along the lines 61 megs, and it turns out i was seeing double of a 0 |
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| 15:58:13 | gartral | specifically the "Limit: 6291456" line of Dircache Info |
| 15:59:32 | gartral | s// 0/9 |
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| 16:33:29 | vertic23 | I'm sorry to bother you again ... ipod video 5.5 http://i1.ebayimg.com/04/i/001/34/a6/e185_1.JPG <−− this one - is just great for rockbox, right? |
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| 16:34:04 | evilnick | vertic23: Looks like it |
| 16:34:25 | vertic23 | \o/ 150€ is quite ok, isn't it? |
| 16:34:41 | evilnick | What capacity hard drive? |
| 16:34:53 | evilnick | (and what currency was that?) |
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| 16:35:15 | vertic23 | 30GB |
| 16:35:18 | vertic23 | euro |
| 16:35:51 | evilnick | Yeah, that sounds okay |
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| 16:41:35 | vertic23 | finally ... had to use a samsung mp3 player the last month ... and the sound was so terrible |
| 16:41:43 | vertic23 | now back to rockbox at last! |
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| 16:52:40 | gartral | fs 9960 and 9961 are two reversi patches by me, the first is asthetic, the second attempts to make the game recognise the difference between a press and a hold (or long press) |
| 16:53:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Someone on the forums posted that Toshiba has just released a firmware update for the Gigabeat T series (no WiFi); here's the link to the firmware update: http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/content/support/downloads/gbt_update_1_2_us.exe |
| 16:57:14 | gartral | huh... the info screen screen of rbutil shows an MD5 hash of the bootloader file, instead of the version string... |
| 16:57:36 | rasher | gevaerts: Would logf provide any insight in the usb-at-boot failure? |
| 16:57:54 | rasher | gevaerts: Since it doesn't crash, there should be a reasonable chance of capturing stuff |
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| 17:00:17 | toffe82 | LambdaCalculus37: thanks |
| 17:01:15 | * | gartral wonders if his patches will work, as he can't build :| |
| 17:01:51 | pixelma | kugel: do you know that not all targets that have a scrollwheel (physically) define HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL ? |
| 17:02:23 | kugel | pixelma: You mean older ipods? |
| 17:02:29 | kugel | No I didn't know that |
| 17:02:35 | pixelma | yes, and the Mini |
| 17:02:44 | kugel | why is that? |
| 17:03:20 | gevaerts | rasher: it could, yes. I don't really know what to look for though. I have some suspicions though, but I need to think about them a bit more |
| 17:03:39 | pixelma | a short read of the SVN logs last time, it seems that this define was introduced for wheel accelaration which has not been adapted to non-"clickwheel" Ipods yet in the driver |
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| 17:05:08 | kugel | well, that's a bug, imo |
| 17:05:27 | kugel | i.e. my commit was OK |
| 17:05:47 | pixelma | ? |
| 17:06:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: (for the logs) There's a Gigabeat T firmware update released by Toshiba for non-WiFi models (i.e. the US models); we should check it out to see if there's a digital signature exploit like on the S. |
| 17:06:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders if that was correct |
| 17:06:26 | pixelma | unfortunately I'm not sure what exactly happens now but potentially breaking a plugin is not ok, IMO |
| 17:06:41 | kugel | if scrollwheel targets don't define scrollwheel |
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| 17:07:02 | kugel | that's a bug. Plugins should define their own scrollwheel just because of that |
| 17:07:40 | kugel | pixelma: and no, it's not broken. I know that because e200/fuze didn't use the code within SCROLL_WHEEL, and the scrollwheel worked anyway |
| 17:07:43 | pixelma | well, that global define has a misleading name... and I guess the plugin was there before this wheel accelaration stuff |
| 17:08:26 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes to put the link to the firmware updater on the wiki |
| 17:08:31 | gartral | kugel: but could it be thats what's causing doom to not pick uo some scroll wheel action on the E200s? |
| 17:08:47 | kugel | gartral: No, that's something entirely different |
| 17:08:55 | gartral | ooook |
| 17:08:55 | kugel | this is only about rockblox |
| 17:09:06 | gartral | ahh |
| 17:09:12 | kugel | gartral: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5153 |
| 17:10:45 | Llorean | kugel: Even if a define is badly named, you shouldn't use it until you know what it does (don't trust the name). |
| 17:12:39 | kugel | I know what it does. I just didn't know some scrollwheel targets don't define it |
| 17:12:58 | pixelma | it looks like it could work differently now on thos Ipods, don't know |
| 17:13:12 | pixelma | even if not completely broken |
| 17:13:25 | Llorean | kugel: I don't understand that sentence. If you knew what it does, that means you should know why it's defined, and by which targets... |
| 17:13:39 | Llorean | "What it does" includes what uses it. |
| 17:14:11 | kugel | I know that it ( is supposed to) identify scrollwheel targets AND activates wheel acceleration. |
| 17:14:20 | kugel | I messed with HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL on the fuze |
| 17:14:52 | Llorean | "What it's supposed to do" is different from "what it actually does" though. |
| 17:14:54 | Llorean | That was my point. |
| 17:14:57 | kugel | knowing what it does doesn't include that which targets don't define it (wrongly, imo) |
| 17:15:25 | pixelma | they can't just define it |
| 17:15:33 | kugel | Llorean: It's supposed to identify scrollwheel targets, and activates wheel acceleration code. That IS what it does |
| 17:15:59 | Llorean | kugel: Clearly it's NOT what it does, since some scrollwheel targets don't have the define. |
| 17:16:03 | Llorean | It's what it *should* do, not what it *does* |
| 17:16:24 | Llorean | It identifies some, but not all, targets with a wheel. |
| 17:16:26 | kugel | Llorean: it activates wheel acceleration code, it DOES that |
| 17:16:30 | Llorean | yes, it does that |
| 17:16:50 | Llorean | But in every previous line, you've also claimed it does something else. |
| 17:17:01 | kugel | I did not |
| 17:17:11 | pixelma | if I understood correctly it needs some work on the driver(s) |
| 17:17:31 | kugel | pixelma: either this, or it wheel acceleration code should be based off a different define |
| 17:17:41 | Llorean | kugel: If you were only using it to activate acceleration, why'd you remove the other define? |
| 17:17:51 | kugel | that acceleration thing got me into trouble on the fuze as well |
| 17:17:57 | pixelma | yes |
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| 17:19:09 | kugel | Llorean: it's not only, as I said, it's also to identify scrollwheel targets. And i only added the "supposed to", since it apparently isn't as determining as I thought |
| 17:19:14 | Llorean | kugel: My point was, you didn't know the differences in how SCROLL_WHEEL and HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL work before swapping them. So you didn't know what one of them did. |
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| 17:19:27 | kugel | various other places of rockbox use HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL, without relation to acceleration |
| 17:19:31 | Llorean | It *doesn't* identify scroll wheel targets |
| 17:19:39 | Llorean | It may be supposed to, but that's NOT what it does right now |
| 17:19:53 | pixelma | I have to be more precise though: only the first gen Mini does not have it (as the second generation has a so-called "clickwheel" which was adapted) |
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| 17:20:42 | vertic23 | is it possible to make the ipod wheel less sensitive? |
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| 17:24:50 | kugel | so, the plan is to define HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL for *all* scrollwheel targets, and define another HAVE_WHEEL_ACCELERATION for the actual acceleration code |
| 17:25:52 | n1s | rasher: i would suspect some kind of conflict between usb trying to grab the audio buffer while playback is starting |
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| 17:26:16 | rasher | n1s: Yeah, that's the assumption |
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| 17:28:01 | Llorean | kugel: I'm not sure, but I think the wheel need some distinction because some allow us to get the absolute position, and others don't. |
| 17:28:20 | vertic23 | is this discussion right now about 'my' problem? |
| 17:28:44 | Llorean | vertic23: No. |
| 17:28:54 | kugel | Llorean: which allows to get the absolute position? |
| 17:29:02 | vertic23 | is there an answer anyways for my problem? :P |
| 17:29:16 | Llorean | kugel: Newer iPods, *probably* the ones that currently use HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL but I'm not sure. |
| 17:29:31 | Llorean | It's one of those "click wheel" vs "touch wheel" vs "scroll wheel" vs whatever things. |
| 17:29:38 | n1s | vertic23: it's probably possible, dependign on what you mean |
| 17:29:38 | kugel | No, those do not |
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| 17:29:59 | vertic23 | just slow down the speed |
| 17:30:09 | pixelma | Llorean: there already is HAVE_WHEEL_POSITION for this |
| 17:30:43 | pixelma | but wheel accelaration is not dependent on this, it was even introduced for the e200 wheel |
| 17:30:45 | kugel | or wait, seems they do |
| 17:31:00 | Llorean | pixelma: I thought the iPod wheels used a different sort of acceleration though. |
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| 17:31:27 | Llorean | And the e200 wheel gives us absolute positioning too, doesn't it? We have deltas. |
| 17:31:44 | Llorean | Something like 96 values that it scrolls through? |
| 17:31:47 | kugel | the e200 wheel doesn't give absolute position |
| 17:32:06 | Llorean | kugel: It gives absolute position on a scale, rather than just "scrolling left" or "scrolling right" |
| 17:32:25 | Llorean | My understanding was that the old wheels were like having a "left" button and a "right" button, effectively. |
| 17:32:35 | kugel | the e200 scrolling is read by 2 bits |
| 17:32:37 | Llorean | You didn't have the information to get a delta for speed. |
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| 17:33:10 | kugel | which do some 01 -> 00 -> 10 -> 11 rotation |
| 17:33:30 | pixelma | Llorean: it uses the same define though |
| 17:33:51 | Llorean | kugel: That seems awful small, it seems like you'd be able to easily trigger accidental scrolls in the other direction with that. |
| 17:33:55 | kugel | Llorean: you have the information, because you never miss a change |
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| 17:34:22 | kugel | No, that's not aweful, and works perfectly with the use of a interrupt handler |
| 17:34:47 | Llorean | kugel: I was still talking about the iPod wheels when I talked abuot the information. That's why I didn't say "kugel:" before it indicating it was a response to your newer statements, rather than a continuation of my current topic. |
| 17:36:56 | kugel | anyway, on the e200 (and fuze) you have deltas, not sure about other wheels |
| 17:37:07 | Llorean | kugel: e200v1 or v2? |
| 17:38:17 | kugel | both |
| 17:38:32 | Llorean | Ah, I see. We do have absolute positioning within a range, as I said. You have the 00, 01, 10, 11, but they allow us to keep track of exactly where the wheel is and how fast it moved. |
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| 17:38:52 | kugel | yes |
| 17:39:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Check out the logs. |
| 17:39:15 | Llorean | kugel: So... why did you tell me we didn't have the ability to position it within a range? |
| 17:39:48 | kugel | "And the e200 wheel gives us absolute positioning too, doesn't it?" that was the question |
| 17:40:03 | kugel | and I answered that it doesn't give the absolute position |
| 17:40:20 | Llorean | It does, though, as far as "absolute" can go with a physically rotating wheel with no reference mark. |
| 17:40:31 | Llorean | Once we've started tracking it, we know exactly how far rotated it is from its original position. |
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| 17:40:48 | kugel | it's not tracked though |
| 17:40:51 | saratoga | i thought i had but it seems the log script stopped working a couple hours back |
| 17:40:53 | kugel | only the delta is tracked |
| 17:41:02 | Llorean | It's tracked temporarily for the purpose of determining the delta. |
| 17:41:05 | Llorean | We could track it wholly. |
| 17:41:11 | Llorean | We don't have a need to, though. |
| 17:41:15 | kugel | and the time between the calls of the clickwheel function determines the acceleration |
| 17:41:29 | kugel | I don't see how my statement was wrong |
| 17:42:42 | Llorean | The e200 wheel gives enough information for absolute positioning. In total effect, it gives absolute positioning. My point was to contrast this with the early iPod wheels |
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| 17:42:53 | pixelma | saratoga: there is still the raw text log |
| 17:43:39 | Llorean | kugel: On the c200, for example, we have no wheel. Just an up button and a down button. If you hold "up" you can't get a delta, because it's just "true" for up, or not. That's how the early iPod wheels were explained to me. You just know if they're scrolling or not, not how far or how fast. |
| 17:44:05 | Llorean | I don't know if this explanation is definitely how they work, just what I was told about a limitation of them. |
| 17:44:08 | kugel | Llorean: my point was: just by reading the wheel values, you cannot determine the absolute position. You need exact tracking, from the point of when the wheel was powered on. |
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| 17:45:09 | rasher | Nico_P: any thoughts on FS #9957? |
| 17:45:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Look at 17:06:06 on the raw text feed. |
| 17:45:22 | Llorean | I never said you could get it *just* by reading the wheel values. I said some "allow us to get the absolute position" |
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| 17:47:16 | saratoga | LambdaCalculus37: ok misread that post in the forums |
| 17:47:29 | saratoga | do you have a T? |
| 17:47:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Nope. Got an F and an S. |
| 17:47:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | I wanted to point it to you because toffe82 mentioned that you had a T. |
| 17:48:05 | saratoga | yeah i picked one up cheap |
| 17:48:33 | saratoga | i'm not really familar with the exploits on the S, but if someone wants to suggest how to check for the one on the T, I don't mind trying |
| 17:48:37 | saratoga | i never use the thing anyway |
| 17:49:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: I don't remember who it was that discovered the exploit on the S in the first place, but maybe you could ask jhMikeS; he might know something. |
| 17:50:33 | Llorean | If we use the Gigabeat S updater (official) to update to 1.2, is Rockbox reinstallable now? I never did find out if we solved that. |
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| 17:54:09 | toffe82 | Llorean: I installed rockbox on a S with 1.2 and it was working, but using sendfirm, no the beastpatcher |
| 17:55:25 | Llorean | toffe82: Did you install 1.2 using the exe installer? |
| 17:55:46 | toffe82 | Llorean: yes using the installe |
| 17:55:51 | Llorean | Okay |
| 17:56:06 | toffe82 | it works fine and you still can go back to 1.1 if you want |
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| 18:03:07 | toffe82 | Llorean: I use the 1.2 updater to go to 1.2 and the hacked updater to go back to 1.1 |
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| 18:48:47 | newnick | Hello |
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| 18:52:05 | * | MaxHork echoes |
| 18:52:17 | Llorean | MaxHork: Did you have a question? |
| 18:52:32 | MaxHork | Ah sorry was just reading, i'll head over to the community. |
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| 18:56:25 | MaxHork | Ok now I have a question! |
| 18:56:42 | MaxHork | How do you switch over to the rockbox community IRC server? |
| 18:57:48 | Nico_P | rasher: no thoughts so far, but I'll take a look now |
| 18:59:11 | MaxHork | Nevermind, been awhile abit rust on the commands |
| 18:59:12 | MaxHork | Later. |
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| 19:02:05 | rasher | Nico_P: great |
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| 19:13:54 | MaxHork | Ok got a question |
| 19:14:06 | MaxHork | I'm doing the manual installation on a sansa e250 |
| 19:14:18 | MaxHork | using the PDF instructions at http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.1/rockbox-sansae200-3.1.pdf |
| 19:14:47 | gartral | whats the question? |
| 19:14:53 | MaxHork | http://www.rockbox. |
| 19:14:53 | MaxHork | org/download/. |
| 19:14:53 | MaxHork | Current Build. The current build is built at each source code change to the Rockbox |
| 19:15:04 | MaxHork | ugh hld on stupid computer |
| 19:15:10 | MaxHork | www.rockbox.org/download |
| 19:15:14 | MaxHork | now im at the fonts section |
| 19:15:30 | MaxHork | when I downloaded the latest fonts and extraced to the sansa root |
| 19:15:36 | Llorean | Please don't paste a bunch of lines from our webpages and docs. |
| 19:15:44 | MaxHork | I didnt mean too |
| 19:15:58 | MaxHork | but lets continue at the question at hand shall we |
| 19:15:59 | Llorean | Are you doing the automatic install using RBUTil as recommended by the manual? |
| 19:16:04 | MaxHork | no |
| 19:16:08 | Llorean | Why not? |
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| 19:16:18 | gartral | no sansa found bug, i would assume |
| 19:16:34 | MaxHork | Thats not the question. |
| 19:16:37 | gartral | he did mention he was doing this on an e250 |
| 19:16:47 | Llorean | MaxHork: That's my question, to you. |
| 19:17:00 | MaxHork | Well let me finish my question and I'll answer yours |
| 19:17:04 | Llorean | The automatic install is a much better installation method, and really should be used to prevent user error. |
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| 19:17:24 | MaxHork | Its not an error, its a point of uncertainity |
| 19:17:29 | MaxHork | installing fonts |
| 19:17:30 | Llorean | If your question is about the manual install, I'm probably going to answer it by saying "use the automatic install" anyway |
| 19:17:47 | gartral | rbutil can install fonts too |
| 19:17:49 | MaxHork | ok well thats fine, let me WRITE OUT MY QUESTION |
| 19:17:49 | rasher | Llorean: Still, if the manual install instructions are wrong or unclear, we want to know, surely? |
| 19:18:03 | Llorean | MaxHork: Nothing I've done prevents you from typing... |
| 19:18:13 | MaxHork | shh. |
| 19:18:16 | MaxHork | installing fonts |
| 19:18:21 | MaxHork | extracted to sansa |
| 19:18:29 | * | evilnick has yet to see a question |
| 19:18:32 | Llorean | Please, type in complete sentences, as per the channel guidelines. |
| 19:18:41 | MaxHork | stats destination already contains folder .rockbox |
| 19:18:58 | MaxHork | do you still want to merge this folder |
| 19:19:03 | rasher | Any Iriver H10 (5GB) users around? |
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| 19:19:33 | * | kugel uploaded a new version for disabling wps updates |
| 19:19:34 | MaxHork | date modified 12/23/2008 with date modified 2/27/2009 |
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| 19:19:55 | * | gevaerts waits for the question |
| 19:19:58 | MaxHork | and I see nothing about accepting a merger in the pdf |
| 19:20:01 | MaxHork | should I merge? |
| 19:20:10 | gartral | this is why we recommend the rbutil... but your case, yes, merge |
| 19:20:12 | Llorean | MaxHork: Is your question "Should I tell it to merge the folders?". This is basic file system use... if you have one folder, and you're trying to merge its contents with the other, then you should say "yes" |
| 19:20:20 | Llorean | But RBUtil will install the fonts for you, without asking you questions like that. |
| 19:21:05 | kugel | any ipod 5g user? |
| 19:21:07 | MaxHork | Right I understand that now, but I tend to read in a weird way and do things the hard way. |
| 19:21:07 | Llorean | The PDF assumes you know computing basics, and the questions you will be asked from your OS will vary across OS versions, etc. Extracting or copying one folder into another is not Rockbox-specific at all. |
| 19:21:30 | evilnick | kugel: Yes |
| 19:21:35 | gartral | and irc is not a linear conversation like a telephone call, we can scroll back and read something past the visible field... |
| 19:21:36 | woyciesjes | kugel: Yep, I have a iPod Video, 5.5G |
| 19:21:41 | kugel | can you check this patch out? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8523 |
| 19:22:21 | kugel | it possibly gives upto 1h more runtime (depending on the wps) |
| 19:22:24 | evilnick | kugel: Sorry, can't from work. |
| 19:22:49 | kugel | should work for beast too. |
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| 19:23:44 | kugel | woyciesjes: can you? |
| 19:23:56 | kugel | A battery bench would be interesting |
| 19:24:35 | woyciesjes | kugel: With instructions... Yep, I'm new here, and not a programmer.... |
| 19:24:57 | kugel | well, I could just send you a build |
| 19:25:36 | woyciesjes | K. Whatever is easiest. |
| 19:25:41 | gartral | speaking of battery benches, does anyone know the specifics of the stock sandisk headphones that come with an e200? i want to do one, but i have no idea what the range/response is of these things.. |
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| 19:26:03 | kugel | who cares about the stock headphones? |
| 19:26:15 | gartral | the fact that i have no other ones |
| 19:26:53 | gevaerts | in the context of battery benches? |
| 19:27:34 | gartral | things = headphones |
| 19:28:01 | kugel | a) headphones hardly matter w.r.t. runtime (at least the in-ear ones) b) you can do the bench without |
| 19:28:27 | Llorean | kugel: They make a significant difference on runtime... |
| 19:29:14 | woyciesjes | kugel: I presume you can find my email? |
| 19:29:23 | Llorean | Players run significantly longer without headphones attached, and I've got some open headphones with lower impedance than some of my earbuds have. |
| 19:29:33 | kugel | well, I mean the differences between the different headphones. headphones vs no headphones make a difference. Sorry for not being clear enough |
| 19:30:01 | kugel | in-ear ones |
| 19:30:08 | gevaerts | You need to do the bench with the same headphones for all cases you want to compare, but that's about it I'd say |
| 19:30:52 | kugel | woyciesjes: wait a second |
| 19:31:22 | Llorean | gevaerts: Maybe we should ask all future benches be done without headphones attached. They're already very artificial circumstances since they don't include skipping, etc. At least this way we'd round out one of the user-specific factors. |
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| 19:31:57 | kugel | woyciesjes: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/rockbox.zip |
| 19:32:39 | gevaerts | Llorean: if we assume that benches from different people can be compared anyway, that sounds like a good idea |
| 19:33:22 | gartral | gevaerts: i wonder how many sansa owners don't have the original headphones... |
| 19:33:27 | kugel | Our benches are meaningless anyway, since they aren't scientific who cares! |
| 19:33:37 | Llorean | gevaerts: Well, we could provide test files, maybe. They're only comparable under similar circumstances. |
| 19:33:46 | kugel | that at least 1 guy once claimed |
| 19:34:16 | kugel | (that's not my opinion!) |
| 19:34:24 | gevaerts | Llorean: I was thinking more about the state of the battery, but yes, files matter as well |
| 19:34:28 | kugel | evilnick: if you can at least install a build from work, 5 lines up |
| 19:34:29 | * | freqmod_gq think battery benches will never be simular as batteries have different wear-level |
| 19:34:58 | gevaerts | I think benches are really only comparable if you only change a single variable at a time |
| 19:35:05 | * | gartral knows his battery doesn't quite last a full 24 hours |
| 19:35:14 | Llorean | gevaerts: True. Honestly I think the only "interesting" number is the ratio of Rockbox time to OF time, given the same playlist and headphones and player. |
| 19:35:34 | woyciesjes | kugel: Got it. |
| 19:35:36 | gevaerts | Llorean: that, and for testing specific patches or features of course |
| 19:35:45 | Llorean | Yes, rockbox to rockbox ratios |
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| 19:36:24 | woyciesjes | kugel: any specific test to perform, or just drop the files on, and let it play? |
| 19:37:12 | kugel | woyciesjes: which 5g do you have? |
| 19:37:25 | woyciesjes | Video, 30GB. 5.5G |
| 19:37:43 | evilnick | kugel: is this the iPod build? |
| 19:37:44 | kugel | it would be ideal if you could try to match one of the benches here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 19:37:49 | kugel | a recent one |
| 19:37:54 | kugel | evilnick: yes |
| 19:38:09 | evilnick | kugel: Damnit, no USB cable! Sorry! |
| 19:38:23 | * | gevaerts points kugel to the discussion we just had :) |
| 19:39:30 | kugel | gevaerts: no need |
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| 19:41:20 | pondlife | Anybody know what #ifdef __PCTOOL__ refers to, and how I can do a test build of the "PC tool" ? |
| 19:41:34 | rasher | pondlife: make in tools/database iirc |
| 19:41:40 | pondlife | Thanks |
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| 19:42:08 | rasher | Or something like that. It refers to the db builder |
| 19:42:09 | pondlife | The sim is currently broken if you use the −−root option (like I do)... it has a couple of hard-coded "simdisk"s... |
| 19:42:54 | pondlife | Hmm, didn't get far... cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-Wno-pointer-sign" |
| 19:43:40 | linuxstb | pondlife: checkwps also uses that PCTOOL define. |
| 19:43:46 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 19:44:49 | gevaerts | I think it basically means compilation outside the regular rockbox code |
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| 19:45:08 | kugel | woyciesjes: first thing: does the patch even work? |
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| 19:45:42 | kugel | well, probably hard to judge, but you may see that it didn't update while the lcd was off if you turn it on |
| 19:45:48 | pondlife | Can someone else try to build checkwps or the database tool? |
| 19:45:58 | MaxHork | Have a question regarding the sansa e250 and a microSD card |
| 19:46:02 | pondlife | Neither compiles here, maybe it's a Cygwin thing? |
| 19:46:18 | linuxstb | Yes, cygwin isn't supported here ;) |
| 19:46:28 | pondlife | checkwps' buildall gives lots of "../../firmware/export/debug.h:27: error: parse error before "ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF"" errors |
| 19:46:30 | gevaerts | the database tool builds fine. Checkwps doesn't |
| 19:46:53 | * | linuxstb checks checkwps |
| 19:47:01 | pondlife | gevaerts: Under Cygwin? |
| 19:47:11 | gevaerts | pondlife: linux |
| 19:47:28 | pondlife | Hmm, my GCC doesn't like -Wno-pointer-sign at all |
| 19:47:42 | pondlife | gcc 3.4.4 |
| 19:48:08 | linuxstb | Works fine for me - all targets build without warning. |
| 19:48:22 | linuxstb | $ gcc −−version |
| 19:48:22 | linuxstb | gcc (Ubuntu 4.3.2-1ubuntu11) 4.3.2 |
| 19:48:32 | woyciesjes | kugel: K. Gimme a few moments... |
| 19:48:36 | pondlife | 3.4.4 is rather old... |
| 19:48:48 | * | pondlife looks for a newer gcc |
| 19:48:49 | rasher | I'd expect cygwin to have something newer available |
| 19:49:37 | gevaerts | linuxstb: checkwps.c:74: error: expected identifier or ‘(’ before ‘unsigned’ |
| 19:50:03 | gevaerts | I expect some header defining htole32 already |
| 19:51:11 | linuxstb | Nothing in my /usr/include defines it... |
| 19:52:42 | gevaerts | And 3.4 doesn't build the database tool here either. I agree with having all possible warnings, but I'm not sure if it's worth it for host-side tools if the price is supporting fewer compilers |
| 19:53:58 | gevaerts | linuxstb: endian.h has it here. Debian unstable amd64. |
| 19:55:55 | MaxHork | Is there a possible way to make the information from the files>microsd1 card show up in the Database for the music on the sansa e250? |
| 19:56:09 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Hmm, and my Ubuntu 8.10 doesn't have it anywhere... |
| 19:56:51 | rasher | MaxHork: It will be there if the card is inserted when you create/update the databse |
| 19:57:01 | rasher | And nothing breaks. |
| 19:57:47 | gevaerts | linuxstb: libc6-dev is 2.9-3 here |
| 19:59:00 | MaxHork | Hooray! |
| 19:59:04 | MaxHork | Thanks rasher :D |
| 19:59:05 | linuxstb | gevaerts: 2.8~20080505-0ubuntu7 |
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| 20:00:29 | gevaerts | Maybe that's the difference |
| 20:00:43 | gevaerts | A few #ifndefs around it? |
| 20:00:59 | MaxHork | I have another question about the size of the MicroSD card. In the Sansa e250 it said the limit was a 2GB card. Since installing Rockbox is the restriction different or unchanged? |
| 20:01:16 | Bagder | MaxHork: any size you can find! |
| 20:01:23 | pondlife | OK, if anyone can build either checkwps or the database tool, perhaps they'd like to check out http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9964 before I commit it :) |
| 20:01:54 | woyciesjes | kugel: tested. Not working right for me. Chose song, let it play to next. Looked at WPS, had updated. |
| 20:02:20 | woyciesjes | Then, skipped to next track, while screen was active, did not update. Skipped two more, still no update. |
| 20:02:41 | MaxHork | Awesome. Excellent job guys. Great work, fast intialize on the device no horrible waiting to load times really quality work. Thank you for your efforts and continued support. |
| 20:03:13 | woyciesjes | Went to main menu, then tried to go to Now Playing. Did not switch to WPS, but the controls acted as if I were on the WPS. Let the screen bacl out, during the song, hit a button to bring it back, and there it was. |
| 20:03:24 | CaptainKwel | kugel: doesn't seem to ever refresh until the screen wakes up (after going to sleep), and then only once at that instant. |
| 20:03:47 | woyciesjes | Basically, seems like you achieved the opposite. WPS updates while the screen is off, and not if it's on. |
| 20:03:59 | woyciesjes | Gotta run to a meeting. back in about an hour.... |
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| 20:04:36 | kugel | huh? |
| 20:04:48 | kugel | weird |
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| 20:04:58 | kugel | ahhhhhhhh |
| 20:05:02 | kugel | I'm stupid |
| 20:05:19 | kugel | ha |
| 20:05:25 | kugel | but that at least shows that the patch is working |
| 20:05:26 | pondlife | kugel: You can't be stupid, you've successfully modified playback.c in the past... |
| 20:05:35 | kugel | I just need to swap the truth values |
| 20:05:52 | pondlife | (on second thoughts, maybe touching playback.c is a sign of stupidity) |
| 20:06:06 | rasher | kugel: This is obvoiusly some strange use of the word "working" that I was prevoiusly unaware of |
| 20:06:12 | kugel | pondlife: :) well, this time I was stupid. I had it working correctly, but that was confused by the name of my own function and changed it to a non-working version ;) |
| 20:06:35 | kugel | rasher: yea, well, I mean the concept is working |
| 20:09:22 | gevaerts | rasher: what do you need tested? |
| 20:09:43 | rasher | gevaerts: If it can boot the OF |
| 20:09:56 | kugel | CaptainKwel: re-download, I updated, should be good now |
| 20:10:09 | rasher | Apparently the current one can't, according to barrywardell, the last known working one was r17357 |
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| 20:10:43 | rasher | But I'd test that one as well, just to make sure |
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| 20:12:49 | pondlife | Nah, looks like I'm stuck with gcc 3.3... |
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| 20:16:17 | CaptainKwel | kugel: looks like it's still refreshing with the backlight off. |
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| 20:17:54 | kugel | CaptainKwel: with backlight != lcd off, in the ipod video case |
| 20:18:06 | gartral | might i ask how we managed to completely skip a whole revision number? |
| 20:18:12 | kugel | this is intended, since the ipod video is transflective |
| 20:18:24 | kugel | it should only not update if the lcd is really off |
| 20:18:46 | kugel | s/with backlight/backlight off/ |
| 20:19:22 | linuxstb | gartral: Not every commit is shown on the front page |
| 20:19:35 | kugel | CaptainKwel: You might notice that it didn't update while the lcd was off |
| 20:19:41 | kugel | upon turning it on again |
| 20:19:48 | CaptainKwel | yes, backlight != lcd off |
| 20:20:27 | kugel | the updating solely depends on lcd_enabled(), and lcd_asleep() if the former isn't available |
| 20:20:49 | CaptainKwel | oh, wait I see what you're saying |
| 20:20:53 | kugel | and the ipod sleeps the lcd with a little (configurable) delay after backlight went off |
| 20:21:00 | CaptainKwel | So we can't ever know if it's really working? |
| 20:21:22 | kugel | not really. On my sansa though, for a split second I see the old wps |
| 20:22:01 | kugel | e.g. if the backlight turned off at 2:04, and 10s later I turn it on again, I see for a very split second 2:04, then 2:14 |
| 20:22:27 | CaptainKwel | cause it needs to refresh, yeah? |
| 20:22:42 | kugel | CaptainKwel: well, the non-working version actually showed that the concept works, so I expect it to work now |
| 20:22:55 | CaptainKwel | I'm seeing that now. |
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| 20:23:10 | CaptainKwel | In any event, it doesn't appear to have broken anything in any way. |
| 20:23:22 | kugel | that's good |
| 20:24:36 | kugel | with a heavy wps (multiple conditional viewports, multiple progressbars, album art, etc) it gave +1:15h on a sansa |
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| 20:24:57 | jones_ | Hello |
| 20:24:59 | * | rasher is sceptical about having multiple progressbars |
| 20:25:04 | toffe82 | linuxstb: I will try this weekend the different configuration for installing the S ,.... if I have time;) |
| 20:25:21 | kugel | rasher: complains are redirected to JdGordon :) |
| 20:25:28 | jones_ | Would anyone be able to help me out with a battery issue? |
| 20:26:12 | gartral | multiple progress bars? WHHHYYYY!? |
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| 20:26:21 | kugel | So, it works on my e200 too. I'd like to commit that soon if it breaks nothing |
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| 20:26:35 | rasher | gartral: for testing, I assume. |
| 20:26:47 | kugel | I'd like to have a test on a h300 with remote though |
| 20:27:09 | gartral | testing what, how fast we can make the DAPs battery die? |
| 20:27:21 | kugel | does scrolling work if the main unit is without backlight, but the remote is used? |
| 20:27:29 | kugel | from the code, it appears not |
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| 20:28:38 | kugel | pondlife: do you have a h300 with remote? |
| 20:28:48 | pondlife | Yes, a non-LCD remote though |
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| 20:29:27 | kugel | hm, but the remote code is active anyway. would be nice if you could give http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8523 a test |
| 20:30:14 | pondlife | I can do, but not right now - got two other patches brewing |
| 20:30:19 | jones_ | My battery doesn't seem to want to stay on for very long unless I'm plugged in |
| 20:30:23 | jones_ | Is there a patch for this? |
| 20:31:08 | gartral | jones_: it would help, mildly, if you told us which DAP your using :P |
| 20:31:26 | jones_ | Oh, sorry |
| 20:31:39 | jones_ | I have a 5.5g 30GB |
| 20:31:55 | jones_ | Beyond that, I'm not entirely sure |
| 20:31:56 | kugel | what's your runtime? |
| 20:32:02 | jones_ | I haven't updated in a long time |
| 20:32:08 | jones_ | About 6 months or so |
| 20:32:26 | kugel | I mean, how long does the battery last? |
| 20:32:40 | * | gartral wondres if kugel meant runtime of battery before shutdown |
| 20:32:49 | jones_ | I'm dual booting, so switching over to Rockbox takes about a third of the battery out |
| 20:32:55 | jones_ | And then it lasts for maybe 2 minutes |
| 20:33:20 | kugel | and you get normal runtime in the apple os? |
| 20:33:25 | jones_ | Yeah |
| 20:33:33 | kugel | weird |
| 20:33:47 | jones_ | That's what I keep saying |
| 20:33:55 | gartral | first, update, then see if thats any improvement... |
| 20:34:07 | jones_ | I was just about to do that |
| 20:34:14 | jones_ | I have to go to class soon, but I'll just work on it then |
| 20:34:55 | gartral | the latest build has working USB, meaning you shouldnt have to unplug at all anymore, unless you use itunes to sync |
| 20:35:13 | jones_ | I'm on linux, so I don't even have iTunes |
| 20:35:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:35:43 | * | gartral highly recommends and update |
| 20:37:21 | * | LambdaCalculus37 also recommends an update |
| 20:42:39 | linuxstb | I'm intending to commit my FS #9948 in the next few days (switching english.lang to sentence case). Are there any objections left? (Llorean has told me he's no longer objecting) |
| 20:44:00 | * | gevaerts has a terminology objection :) |
| 20:44:53 | gevaerts | Titles are always in title case by definition! Only some people disagree about what title case should be :) |
| 20:45:06 | JdGordon | linuxstb: no objections from me.. are you going to remove deperacted strings also? or does it not invalidate old .lng files? |
| 20:46:16 | rasher | linuxstb: Just committed most of the language updates. |
| 20:46:34 | pixelma | multiple progressbars came with conditional viewports - to be able to have a "full line" progressbar in differently wide viewports shown on different conditions (e.g. my c200 wps does to have a little more space for album art and fill the screen a bit better if there is none) |
| 20:46:41 | jones_ | Thanks everyone |
| 20:46:46 | jones_ | I'll be back if it doesn't work |
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| 20:46:52 | pixelma | only one is shown at a time |
| 20:47:08 | rasher | linuxstb: Need a fullname for the Chinese ones. |
| 20:47:21 | * | pondlife wants linuxstb to resurrect the WPS-as-a-statusbar stuff |
| 20:47:30 | pondlife | (After 3.2, of course.) |
| 20:47:51 | pondlife | Then we might have a better use for multiple progressbars |
| 20:53:45 | pixelma | I think it is of good use already ;) |
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| 20:58:20 | Rhodderz | hi is there any way to "mod" or do anything with an ipod nano 3rd gen |
| 20:58:22 | Rhodderz | ? |
| 20:58:39 | bluebrother | no |
| 20:59:19 | Rhodderz | is there any way to get free games for it? |
| 20:59:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | No. |
| 20:59:27 | bluebrother | no |
| 20:59:43 | bluebrother | plus, we are not interested in modding the nano 3g OF |
| 20:59:47 | pondlife | You could perhaps see how far you could throw one? |
| 20:59:52 | * | gevaerts grumbles about whoever declared the H10 5GB MTP a supported model |
| 20:59:58 | pondlife | More of a sport than a game though |
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| 21:00:35 | Rhodderz | why not the nano 3rd gen it has to be hackable if that is the right phrase |
| 21:00:53 | kugel | I'm off. Just as a reminder, I'm still keen on opinions about the sorting patch (see -dev ml) |
| 21:00:53 | BigBambi | why does it have to be? |
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| 21:01:23 | BigBambi | Rhodderz: It has encrypted firmware and unknown hardware. That makes it as of yet unhackable |
| 21:01:23 | bluebrother | search the forums, mailing list or web. The reasons have been given over and over again. |
| 21:01:40 | bluebrother | feel free to work on hacking the nano 3g. |
| 21:02:58 | Rhodderz | ok ill have a go. but first what was changed in the "hackable" firmware to make it play free games "illegal" or have linux on it? |
| 21:03:20 | BigBambi | what? |
| 21:03:21 | bluebrother | changed in what hackable firmware? |
| 21:03:29 | BigBambi | what is illegal? |
| 21:03:38 | BigBambi | and Rockbox is nothing to do with linux |
| 21:04:10 | Rhodderz | when i was searching around rockblox changed the firmware on the ipod |
| 21:04:18 | Rhodderz | hang ill paste a link in a min |
| 21:04:28 | bluebrother | ? |
| 21:04:35 | BigBambi | Rockbox? And yes, Rockbox is a replacement firmware for some ipods |
| 21:04:35 | Rhodderz | if i find it again thats why i came here. |
| 21:04:53 | BigBambi | And clearly we are aware of the Rockbox website - hint, you are talking to Rockbox developers |
| 21:04:53 | bluebrother | Rockbox doesn't change the original firmware. It's a replacement. |
| 21:05:02 | Rhodderz | ah that might be where i got confused then sry |
| 21:05:15 | bluebrother | same with Ipodlinux, which runs linux on the Ipod but does NOT modify the original firmware. |
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| 21:07:30 | Rhodderz | so in easy terms you "add" your content to the ipod so the ipod thinks its genuine |
| 21:07:44 | gevaerts | no |
| 21:08:08 | BigBambi | Rhodderz: No, we replace the ipod operating system with our own |
| 21:08:25 | BigBambi | Rhodderz: Like replacing windows with linux for instance |
| 21:08:58 | Rhodderz | right cool got ya. cheers for being "newbie". so where is it usually place? |
| 21:09:09 | BigBambi | what useual place? |
| 21:09:43 | BigBambi | and where is what? |
| 21:09:45 | Rhodderz | like windows os is in C:/WIndows where is the ipod and how did you get to it |
| 21:10:01 | BigBambi | It is on a separate firmware partition |
| 21:10:17 | BigBambi | Have a look at the Rockbox website for more details on how it works |
| 21:10:31 | bluebrother | it's on c:\Ipod ... |
| 21:10:41 | Rhodderz | so there has to be a way to it |
| 21:10:48 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Don't be mean :) |
| 21:10:59 | bluebrother | BigBambi: oops :) |
| 21:11:06 | BigBambi | Rhodderz: Why? That is on the ipods that Rockbox works with, not the new ones |
| 21:11:17 | BigBambi | Rhodderz: And do you know what "encrypted" means? |
| 21:11:51 | Rhodderz | yes but every encryption can be broken with time and patience with a little help of a mini fridge |
| 21:12:02 | BigBambi | Rhodderz: Then please do |
| 21:12:15 | BigBambi | Rhodderz: I'm sure you can even though nobody has managed to yet |
| 21:12:20 | bluebrother | well, depends on how little "little time" is. |
| 21:13:03 | bluebrother | an encryption is usually considered safe if it can't be brute-force broken within reasonable time −− that is several years of calculation |
| 21:13:36 | Rhodderz | the best way to do it is find a program which works out "similarities" that might get you somewhere |
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| 21:13:54 | gevaerts | Sure. Go ahead |
| 21:13:55 | bluebrother | similarities to what? |
| 21:14:01 | BigBambi | Rhodderz: Don't talk bollocks about a subject you clearly know nothing about |
| 21:17:11 | * | bluebrother considers bumping rbutil to 1.1 −− we now don't need to update rbutil on a new Rockbox release ... |
| 21:17:40 | bluebrother | too bad the OS X issue still persists :( |
| 21:18:13 | rasher | bluebrother: How do we handle bootloaders? Do we use the same bootloader when installing release and current builds? |
| 21:18:16 | BigBambi | What do people think to a more major version number bump of rbutil with each Rockbox release, and more minor ones for any intermediate fix versions released? |
| 21:18:21 | rasher | s/we/rbutil/ |
| 21:18:26 | BigBambi | Only if needed |
| 21:18:32 | Rhodderz | an encryption works is mainly a password and that "encrypts" the file/message with that password, so if you find simularities and work out each sequence in time( in know it may be long) but you might just find the password. anywa it might be something stupid like the serial number or it may evan be in the firmware update file you download when you update or restore it |
| 21:18:37 | bluebrother | rasher: we aleays install the most recent bootloader from the download server |
| 21:18:40 | Rhodderz | sry had to go to toileyt |
| 21:18:56 | rasher | bluebrother: Couldn't that potentially be problematic? |
| 21:18:57 | BigBambi | If the new Rbutil doesn't need updating with each RB release anymore then ignore me :) |
| 21:19:03 | kadoban | Rhodderz: that is word soup, sorry to say |
| 21:19:12 | gevaerts | Rhodderz: you're about three centuries out of date. Modern encryption is slightly more advanced |
| 21:19:17 | bluebrother | Rhodderz: you know about asymetric encryption? |
| 21:19:18 | BigBambi | Rhodderz: That is still stupid and still shows a lack of understanding |
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| 21:19:32 | * | bluebrother throws in the word "entropy" |
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| 21:19:46 | Rhodderz | so is the ipod "hidden" partition like a shadow partition? |
| 21:20:14 | bluebrother | on the older Ipods it's simply a partition that is not visible in Explorer |
| 21:20:26 | Rhodderz | where you can not see it at all as it is run by the machine and the only way to get to it is "change" the machine's bios |
| 21:20:41 | BigBambi | no |
| 21:20:45 | bluebrother | BigBambi: that's the point: rbutil now gets information about the most recent release from the download server, so no update needed with a Rockbox release :) |
| 21:20:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rhodderz: That clearly shows that you haven't got a single idea of how this works. |
| 21:21:11 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Ah, cool. That sounds better :) |
| 21:21:25 | rasher | bluebrother: I think the bootloader situation isn't terribly good though. A release should be static. |
| 21:21:35 | bluebrother | rasher: I don't think that could be dangerous. In the last years I've only seen lack of forward compatibility ;-) |
| 21:21:37 | woyciesjes | kugel: one more hitch. Came back from the meeting, and the iPod wouldn't wake up from when Rockbox put the display to sleep for the hour. I had to give it the 2finger to bring it back. Not sure if it's related to the Apple firmware bug (mentioned this morning on the dev mailing list) |
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| 21:21:48 | bluebrother | well, we could add that (like in 1.2 ;-) |
| 21:22:01 | Rhodderz | what happens if you take the hard drive out and find a way to plug that into the computer without the ipod there at all |
| 21:22:09 | rasher | bluebrother: Sure, but think about the current issue with booting Rockbox on usb insert. If we updated the bootloaders now, it'd cause confusion for people installing Rockbox 3.1 |
| 21:22:14 | BigBambi | You mean use a caddy! |
| 21:22:15 | gevaerts | rasher: r17357 doesn't work |
| 21:22:24 | rasher | gevaerts: oh darn |
| 21:22:31 | BigBambi | Rhodderz: You can see the drive, as you would expect |
| 21:22:42 | bluebrother | rasher: true. Still it would only cause annoyances and / or confusion, no breakage. |
| 21:22:46 | BigBambi | However - ENCRYPTION |
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| 21:23:13 | Rhodderz | yes but it could be in the ipod instead not the hdd |
| 21:23:16 | bluebrother | I do agree that the bootloaders for a release could be considered static. Though this doesn't go in line with the way Rockbox currently installs −− build and bootloader are treated separately |
| 21:23:29 | BigBambi | Rhodderz: The data is encrypted |
| 21:23:49 | rasher | bluebrother: I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that when installing a release, a "release" bootloader should be installed alongside it |
| 21:23:50 | | Nick p3tur is now known as petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) |
| 21:23:54 | BigBambi | Rhodderz: The whole point of encryption is that you cant just put the drive in another computer |
| 21:23:55 | rasher | rather than "whatever's current" |
| 21:23:56 | gevaerts | rasher: oh wait... |
| 21:24:21 | rasher | gevaerts: well, if you want me to build some more, prod me. I have a loop set up |
| 21:24:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rhodderz: If it were as easy as you suggested it to be, someone would've done it already. It isn't. It seriously isn't. You're just blindly spouting things without thinking about how this stuff works. |
| 21:24:54 | bluebrother | rasher: well, I agree that this makes sense (though I'm not too sure if we should do it that way). Still, the current rbutil doesn't allow that easily |
| 21:25:05 | Nico_P | pondlife: do you think FS #8894 could make it into 3.2? |
| 21:25:12 | pondlife | I'd like it to |
| 21:25:20 | pondlife | Update about to arrive |
| 21:25:41 | Rhodderz | okay so the only way is if someone from apple leaked the encryption |
| 21:25:45 | * | Nico_P adds it to ReleaseTodo |
| 21:25:51 | pondlife | I wonder what impact it has on DSP CPU usage though (when disabled)... |
| 21:26:04 | pondlife | Would be nice if test_codec could include the DSP. |
| 21:26:52 | rasher | Rhodderz: There are several other possible ways. None of them easy. None of them have been done. |
| 21:26:57 | pondlife | OK, last call for a checkwps user to test http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9964 |
| 21:27:27 | rasher | pondlife: just checking if checkwps compiles with it? |
| 21:27:29 | Rhodderz | oh well sry for wasting your time |
| 21:27:34 | pondlife | rasher: Thanks |
| 21:27:52 | rasher | pondlife: I mean, is that all you need? |
| 21:27:54 | gartral | is anyone intrested in testing fs 9960 and/or 9961 for me? i cant build |
| 21:28:04 | pondlife | rasher: It's a good start! |
| 21:28:28 | pondlife | Would be good to try some basic operations - any file opening, renaming, deleting basically |
| 21:28:29 | rasher | pondlife: It compiles.. |
| 21:28:38 | Rhodderz | all we need is apple to have a leak again owell cya |
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| 21:28:59 | * | LambdaCalculus37 grumbles about clueless kids with new nanos |
| 21:30:28 | rasher | pondlife: seems to work |
| 21:30:34 | pondlife | Great |
| 21:30:43 | rasher | succesfully checked cabbiev2 for e200 |
| 21:33:12 | pondlife | Nico_P: New patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8894... give it a whirl! |
| 21:33:18 | * | pondlife goes for food |
| 21:33:30 | pondlife | Will commit #9964 soon though |
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| 21:36:26 | jones_ | Hey there |
| 21:36:27 | jones_ | I'm back |
| 21:37:28 | jones_ | I just updated to 3.1 |
| 21:37:37 | jones_ | And my battery still doesn't work |
| 21:38:29 | * | rasher bugs pixelma about FS #9754 |
| 21:44:40 | jones_ | Ello? |
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| 21:49:29 | gevaerts | jones_: my guess is that your battery is just going bad |
| 21:49:53 | Nico_P | pondlife: I got a prefetch abort with the patch |
| 21:50:15 | jones_ | Probably |
| 21:50:19 | jones_ | I'll see what I can do |
| 21:50:23 | jones_ | Gotta run |
| 21:50:24 | jones_ | Later |
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| 21:50:31 | gevaerts | rasher: I've managed to boot the OF with r17357 once or twice, but I can't get it to work anymore (about 10 tries). None of the other builds worked either |
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| 21:57:22 | rasher | gevaerts: Sounds awful. I guess we need to go further back, then. Want me to build some? |
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| 21:58:11 | Nico_P | am I the only one getting prefetch aborts on the beast? |
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| 21:58:27 | gevaerts | rasher: if you feel like it |
| 21:59:13 | gevaerts | Since it hangs with the bootloader output showing I know I was running the right version |
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| 22:03:42 | BigBambi | Nico_P: Doing what? I haven't experienced it |
| 22:03:52 | Nico_P | BigBambi: just playing an mp3 file |
| 22:04:08 | rasher | gevaerts: Building some now |
| 22:04:23 | BigBambi | Nico_P: Well, I use it daily and haven't had that - I lat updated 2 or 3 days ago |
| 22:04:49 | Nico_P | BigBambi: it was working for me too until I updated just today |
| 22:04:58 | Nico_P | right now even |
| 22:05:25 | BigBambi | Nico_P: OK, I'll try in a bit and see if I can too (watching the Rugby right now :) ) |
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| 22:12:38 | pondlife | nico_P: Do you get the prefetch abort without even enabling timestretch? |
| 22:12:52 | Nico_P | pondlife: yes, it's not the patch |
| 22:12:58 | pondlife | Phew ;) |
| 22:13:05 | gartral | could someone with an e200 please test my patch/es? i want to know if it works before i go making more modifications for other targets... |
| 22:13:58 | gotthardt | yo - anyone with a gigabeat F test the latest build? I can no longer play tracks - seems to reboot ?? |
| 22:15:12 | rasher | gevaerts: earlier bootloaders uploaded |
| 22:15:23 | Nico_P | gotthardt: on the beast I get prefetch aborts |
| 22:15:48 | Nico_P | pondlife: I tested the patch on the ipod video, it appears to be working beatifully :) |
| 22:15:52 | gotthardt | Nico_p thx - so its not just me |
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| 22:16:48 | pondlife | Nico_P: If you look at dsp.c, we are now doing buffer size calculations (i.e. a variable, not a constant). Do you think that will have too much of an adverse affect? |
| 22:17:01 | linuxstb | rasher: Thinking about FS #9948, what genlang magic do I need to do? |
| 22:17:14 | Nico_P | gotthardt: do you think you could try finding the revision that introduced the issue? |
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| 22:17:50 | gotthardt | i can later today - |
| 22:18:25 | pondlife | I'm tempted to precalculate the various sizes at least... but having the redundant variables goes against my normal practice. |
| 22:19:05 | rasher | linuxstb: I don't think genlang will be of much help, really. You basically need to loop through all phrases and see if the source matches the current english.lang. If it does, change it to match your new english.lang. If not, leave that phrase unchanged. |
| 22:19:33 | rasher | I'm not sure langtool will be of much help either, to be honest |
| 22:19:37 | * | gevaerts confirms |
| 22:19:45 | gevaerts | Gigabeat F has issues today |
| 22:19:46 | linuxstb | rasher: Hmm... Or I could just leave it to translators? ;) |
| 22:20:02 | rasher | :( |
| 22:20:10 | linuxstb | I guess not then ;) |
| 22:20:35 | rasher | We could make genlang case-insensitive, but I don't know if that's a great idea |
| 22:20:35 | pondlife | Hmm, some of my last commit went astray, I think... |
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| 22:20:52 | linuxstb | rasher: No, I don't think that's a solution. |
| 22:21:34 | rasher | It'd really put a rather heavy load on translators though, having to check whether it's a case-only change, or a phrase needing actual attention |
| 22:21:44 | * | linuxstb thinks awk may be his friend here, as he knows it better than perl |
| 22:22:11 | rasher | That might not be a bad tool for this job |
| 22:22:33 | rasher | Collect the lines between <source> and </source>, and compare |
| 22:23:04 | rasher | Does awk do associative arrays? |
| 22:23:08 | linuxstb | Yep |
| 22:24:38 | rasher | So load current and sentence-case english.lang in BEGIN, start collecting data on <source>, do the compare/possible replace in </source>, and unconditionally print everything else. |
| 22:24:50 | rasher | Or something like that |
| 22:25:38 | linuxstb | Yes, that's what I was thinking. |
| 22:25:56 | * | pondlife has no idea how half his patch vanished.. |
| 22:26:00 | rasher | I think it's acceptable if you just do a "dumb" compare of the source strings as a single string (no need to compare the target names and values etc) |
| 22:26:20 | rasher | That way we might even eliminate some syntax issues |
| 22:26:33 | rasher | If there are any. |
| 22:26:54 | gevaerts | rasher: I tested r16837 and r17062, both don't work |
| 22:27:10 | rasher | gevaerts: oh dear |
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| 22:27:20 | * | rasher wonders if there was ever actual dual boot on H10 5GB |
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| 22:27:42 | rasher | gevaerts: Building some more. |
| 22:27:44 | linuxstb | rasher: If you're bored, I won't mind if you do it ;) I'm probably not going to get chance until tomorrow evening or Sunday. |
| 22:28:11 | rasher | I might. No promises. |
| 22:29:28 | Nico_P | pondlife: about your question, I don't really see what you mean |
| 22:30:19 | pondlife | If you look in dsp.c, we used to have a fixed RESAMPLE_BUF_RIGHT_CHANNEL - but now it's a calculation. |
| 22:31:08 | pondlife | As is SAMPLE_BUF_RIGHT_CHANNEL |
| 22:32:00 | rasher | gevaerts: put up a few even older ones |
| 22:32:28 | Nico_P | pondlife: I don't know, the calculation doesn't seem too complex but how often is it done? |
| 22:32:43 | pondlife | Not sure.. quite often , I think |
| 22:32:58 | pondlife | A redundant variable would probably be worthwhile |
| 22:33:39 | Nico_P | possibly |
| 22:33:52 | pondlife | I just don't like redundancy |
| 22:35:19 | pondlife | Also, do you see the weird way that the splash appears when you first enable timestretch? |
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| 22:35:28 | pondlife | I have no idea why that happens |
| 22:36:21 | * | linuxstb senses 3.2 could have quite a nice changelog... |
| 22:36:45 | gevaerts | rasher: r14837 doesn't work either... I'm leaving this to someone who knows the H10 |
| 22:36:49 | * | pondlife only wishes an H300 bootloader was included... |
| 22:37:02 | rasher | gevaerts: And you're sure you're doing it right? |
| 22:37:18 | rasher | The guy in the bug report is willing to help also |
| 22:38:09 | pondlife | Nico_P: Was it you who suggested #8894 should be in 3.2? |
| 22:38:38 | Nico_P | pondlife: yes |
| 22:38:47 | pondlife | I'm more of the opinion it should wait until after, and have the UI improved (i.e. merged with the pitchscreen if possible)... |
| 22:38:58 | pondlife | But I suppose it's nearly ready |
| 22:39:40 | gevaerts | rasher: it works with r12862 (the released bootloader) |
| 22:39:50 | gevaerts | So yes, I think I'm doing it right |
| 22:40:26 | rasher | Ah, so we probably just need to go further back, then |
| 22:41:07 | gevaerts | Maybe, but I'm too tired right now... |
| 22:41:11 | rasher | Oh wait! |
| 22:41:16 | rasher | I wasn't doing it right, was I? |
| 22:41:20 | rasher | >_< |
| 22:41:22 | rasher | goddammit |
| 22:41:34 | rasher | I never corrected that... |
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| 22:42:05 | * | gartral isnt used too seeing rasher flood the room |
| 22:42:05 | gevaerts | The latest daily build works on gigabeat F, so the bug was introduced after 20122 |
| 22:42:22 | Nico_P | pondlife: I agree the UI isn't quite ready |
| 22:43:55 | pondlife | Today's version is better, but still I'd hope to work it into the pitch screen. Perhaps UP/DOWN would change pitch in the current way and left/right would speed up/slow down with timestretch. Then we need to reallocate the +/-2% jog functions... |
| 22:44:46 | gartral | maybe add a return to 100 thing? or is there already an easy way of doing that? |
| 22:44:56 | rasher | gevaerts: Okay, I now inserted the required ../tools/scramble -mi4v3 bootloader/bootloader.bin H10.mi4 in my loop. Building new bootloaders now. |
| 22:45:13 | gevaerts | rasher: that's not the issue. This H10 is now a UMS one... |
| 22:45:32 | gevaerts | And the wrong scramble line just makes it not boot at all |
| 22:45:32 | pondlife | Maybe the jog mode should be a third option (pitch up/down, semitone up/down, jog up/down)? |
| 22:45:39 | Nico_P | gartral: thetre's already a return to 100 button, on the ipod at least |
| 22:45:55 | Nico_P | pondlife: I don't undersand the use of the jog mode |
| 22:46:04 | pondlife | It's for beat matching |
| 22:46:18 | gartral | Nico_P: the e200s dont, that im aware of |
| 22:46:26 | pondlife | Say you're almost in sync, but you want a little "pulse" to sync better... |
| 22:46:29 | Nico_P | gartral: it's the menu button |
| 22:46:56 | Nico_P | pondlife: ah, I see |
| 22:47:15 | rasher | gevaerts: Alright, building both types now |
| 22:47:34 | pondlife | I know it's doable on H300, but that is blessed with buttons |
| 22:47:35 | gartral | Nico_P: no, that returns to wps while keeping the scale |
| 22:47:42 | pondlife | It's SELECT on H300 |
| 22:47:49 | pondlife | (aka NAVI) |
| 22:48:07 | pondlife | MENU toggles the semitone mode |
| 22:48:14 | Nico_P | interesting. on ipod select returns to the WPS |
| 22:48:14 | gartral | oh, im just f*ck all retarded, nvm! |
| 22:48:54 | pondlife | On H300, PLAY and STOP both return to the WPS |
| 22:49:00 | Nico_P | pondlife: the ipod lacks a button. maybe timestretch could be a third mode (along with normal and semitone) |
| 22:49:17 | pondlife | No, you probably want to use both timestretch and pitch together. |
| 22:49:37 | pondlife | To change key whilst slowing it down, say for guitar practice? |
| 22:49:37 | Nico_P | then they could simply be two separate screens |
| 22:49:55 | pondlife | Well, that's what we have now..! |
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| 22:50:37 | Nico_P | pondlife: yes, but the timestretch screen could be similar to the pitch screen, and also be accessible through the WPS context menu as the pitch screen is |
| 22:50:53 | pondlife | Maybe commit it as is, then start a new (even more controversial) patch for a UI... |
| 22:51:07 | pondlife | I'm still slightly in fear of the red delta |
| 22:51:13 | gevaerts | midgey: r20124 broke codecs on gigabeat F (and I guess S). Not sure about others |
| 22:52:00 | midgey | on target or on the sim? |
| 22:52:04 | gevaerts | target |
| 22:52:05 | Nico_P | pondlife: IMO the delta shouldn't matter for a feature like that |
| 22:52:38 | * | gartral tests on e200 |
| 22:55:21 | rasher | Nico_P: Keeping it as low as possible matters though. |
| 22:55:27 | pondlife | Nico_P: I guess it's just the silly splash screen that needs fixing before commit then... Did you see the same problem? |
| 22:55:34 | * | pondlife gets repetitive |
| 22:55:46 | Nico_P | pondlife: what's the problem? |
| 22:55:56 | Nico_P | I saw the splash screen, but nothing wrong with it |
| 22:56:30 | pondlife | When you enable timestretch for the first time, the splash appears after it exits the menu, and stays until a key is pressed |
| 22:56:46 | pondlife | It should appear for 2 seconds BEFORE exiting the menu |
| 22:56:48 | Nico_P | ah yes, it did that |
| 22:56:51 | gartral | codecs are working A-OK here |
| 22:57:14 | Nico_P | gartral: the problem seems to only affect gigabeats |
| 22:58:16 | rasher | gevaerts: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/h10_5gb/ |
| 22:58:23 | BigBambi | gartral: As has been said |
| 22:58:24 | gevaerts | rasher: maybe tomorrow... |
| 22:58:40 | rasher | Sure |
| 22:59:29 | linuxstb | midgey: IRAM? (Or rather, lack of IRAM) ? |
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| 23:01:52 | midgey | seems like a reasonable guess |
| 23:02:05 | midgey | i'm not sure why that would affect targets at all |
| 23:02:22 | amiconn | gevaerts, midgey: It's quite obvious why r20124 breaks codecs (and probably plugins) on target |
| 23:02:28 | linuxstb | Looking at your change to config.h, you've only defined DATA_ATTR for a subset of targets... |
| 23:02:37 | midgey | plugins work for me |
| 23:02:49 | amiconn | ci (and possibly rb) must stay in .data |
| 23:03:23 | midgey | damn, you're right |
| 23:03:24 | amiconn | If they are in .bss, at least ci gets overwritten by bss clearing in codec_crt0 |
| 23:03:38 | midgey | i didn't look at the preprocessor stuff |
| 23:03:51 | pondlife | w |
| 23:04:22 | pondlife | What's holding up FS #8314 - kugel's sorting stuff? |
| 23:04:40 | amiconn | I didn't think of this in the morning, when Unhelpful asked whether that change might cause problems |
| 23:05:26 | amiconn | What is the problem re using the .data section on mac? |
| 23:06:24 | Nico_P | can I go ahead and remove 3.0 and 3.1 from ReleaseTodo? |
| 23:06:46 | pondlife | Yes, they are NoToDo anymore |
| 23:06:55 | pondlife | NotToDo, even |
| 23:07:02 | midgey | gcc and the assembler don't agree about the assigned section |
| 23:07:03 | pondlife | And we have wiki history |
| 23:07:05 | Nico_P | pondlife: about FS #8314, I think it's name issues mainly |
| 23:07:12 | midgey | http://www.pastebin.ca/1348469 |
| 23:07:40 | pondlife | I thought the current wording was uncontroversial. |
| 23:08:04 | Nico_P | oh, maybe it is |
| 23:08:13 | amiconn | hmm |
| 23:10:25 | amiconn | midgey: Hmm, maybe the data section has a different name on macos? |
| 23:10:35 | amiconn | The assembler seems to complain about the dot |
| 23:10:58 | amiconn | There might be a better solution though |
| 23:12:09 | amiconn | Plugins are indeed unaffected. There's an inconsistency between plugins and codecs: |
| 23:12:33 | amiconn | For plugins, the loader does the bss zeroing, while codecs do it themselves |
| 23:12:44 | midgey | the apple documentation seems to suggest .data is fine |
| 23:12:47 | midgey | http://developer.apple.com/DOCUMENTATION/DeveloperTools/Reference/Assembler/040-Assembler_Directives/chapter_5_section_2.html |
| 23:13:03 | amiconn | If we move the bss zeroing for codecs into the core, that would fix both the incosistency and the crashes |
| 23:13:27 | midgey | probably a good idea |
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| 23:14:35 | amiconn | The crash affects all targets which don't use iram for codecs (i.e. at least Gigabeat F/X, Gigabeat S, and lowmem AMS Sansas) |
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| 23:21:37 | Nico_P | any objections to my making the release annoncements on the frontpage link to the release notes? |
| 23:21:47 | Nico_P | (instead of the download page) |
| 23:22:22 | gevaerts | Nico_P: not from me |
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| 23:26:47 | * | amiconn prepares a test on the beast |
| 23:27:07 | midgey | anyone want to test out this patch http://www.pastebin.ca/1349096 |
| 23:27:21 | midgey | seems to fix the gigabeat f problems |
| 23:27:37 | gartral | midgey: you should probably start a fs for that... |
| 23:27:41 | midgey | i had to do a make veryclean first |
| 23:28:30 | midgey | gartral: it's a quick fix for the breakage i introduced in r20124. If it fixes the problems for others, i'll just commit it |
| 23:28:49 | gartral | ohhh |
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| 23:29:48 | amiconn | ahem |
| 23:30:27 | * | amiconn just notices that it is pure luck that plugins are working, and this inconsistency should most probably be fixed the other way round |
| 23:31:27 | amiconn | The problem is that the iramcopy overlaps bss. The plugin loader doesn't clear all bss, but just the part after the iramcopy (which is part of the loaded binary image) |
| 23:31:42 | amiconn | The rest of it is cleared when a plugin calls plugin_iram_init() |
| 23:32:24 | amiconn | So if 'rb' is placed in .bss, and a plugin uses iram, it depends on where the linker places it whether the plugin breaks or not |
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| 23:34:32 | amiconn | The problem with a (not yet existing plugin_crt0 would be that unlike codecs, only some plugin should init iram, not all of them |
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| 23:34:42 | gevaerts | midgey: that fixes it here |
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| 23:35:37 | midgey | good to hear |
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| 23:35:52 | amiconn | That fix should be committed imo |
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| 23:35:54 | kadoban | i'm getting a segfault on starting rockblox in the e200 simulator in r20133. anyone else? |
| 23:36:00 | * | gartral wonders why chessclock tries to re-assume controll after a usb plug/unplug... |
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| 23:36:03 | amiconn | Improving plugin startup is independent of that |
| 23:36:35 | midgey | amiconn: i'll probably commit within 5 minutes. im experimenting with the section attributes on mac |
| 23:37:09 | amiconn | You could check what asm gcc produces |
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| 23:38:47 | gotthardt | Nico_P I binary searched the builds down to: r20123 plays and r20124 does not for the gigabeat F40 |
| 23:39:20 | BigBambi | gotthardt: The fix is about to go in, see above :) |
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| 23:39:36 | gotthardt | heh - cool |
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| 23:39:58 | amiconn | Hmm, actually it wouldn't make much sense to unify plugin and codec startup |
| 23:40:27 | amiconn | I'm a little undecided |
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| 23:41:25 | amiconn | With delayed iram init, plugins could apply special tricks like using iram (and hence stopping playback) only after asking the user, or just optionally if music is stopped. |
| 23:42:52 | amiconn | But there is a *really nasty* gotcha: Since iramcopy and bss are shared, using bss before initing iram *might* mess up the iram copy, and hence crash the plugin later |
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| 23:44:12 | amiconn | The solution would be to make the sections disjunct - at the cost of allocating a larger part of the plugin buffer for plugins using iram |
| 23:45:25 | amiconn | If we don't want to use such tricks, startup could be unified to make things easier for plugin devs. |
| 23:46:38 | amiconn | Opinions? |
| 23:47:15 | * | amiconn just found the solution for the two startup variants (plugins with and without iram usage) |
| 23:47:42 | amiconn | plugin_crt0() could check iramsize. If it is zero, the plugin doesn't use iram -> no playback stopping |
| 23:48:41 | * | midgey might have a slightly more correct version of the fix for mac |
| 23:49:55 | midgey | using .section __DATA, __data instead of .data seems to work |
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| 23:51:39 | amiconn | So #ifdef __APPLE__ / #define DATA_ATTR __attribute__((section("__data"))) / #else / #define DATA_ATTR __attribute__((section(".data"))) / #endif |
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| 23:54:54 | kadoban | midgey: i think you're already looking at it (missed some chatter), but r20124 broke rockblox in simulator on linux |
| 23:55:49 | linuxstb | kadoban: Are you sure that wasn't r20113? |
| 23:56:13 | kadoban | linuxstb: pretty sure, unless i bisected wrong |
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