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| 00:04:35 | midgey | kadoban: did you try the patch above? |
| 00:04:51 | kadoban | midgey: what revision is that against? can't get it to apply |
| 00:05:32 | midgey | r20130 |
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| 00:08:18 | kadoban | oh, git just didn't like it...trying it now |
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| 00:09:46 | kadoban | midgey: yeah, that appears to fix it |
| 00:12:00 | gotthardt | midgey: works on gigabeat f40 |
| 00:12:30 | midgey | yep, i already tested on my f40 |
| 00:12:42 | gotthardt | super |
| 00:12:55 | gotthardt | then - i concur! |
| 00:13:20 | midgey | i have a slightly different version and if that works i'll commit it |
| 00:13:20 | midgey | os x built fine, just testing on target |
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| 00:16:09 | midgey | committed |
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| 00:19:46 | saratoga | kugel: I tested 4.3.2 on my Sansa, and both WMA and Ogg got slower |
| 00:19:56 | saratoga | MP3 and AAC crashed with undefined instructions |
| 00:20:09 | saratoga | i'd still like to see Coldfire results though |
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| 00:33:09 | saratoga | also, do we have any theories why there are no logs for the second half of today? |
| 00:33:44 | gevaerts | saratoga: the raw logs are fine |
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| 00:52:49 | saratoga | gevaerts: how do i get to them? |
| 00:53:15 | gevaerts | saratoga: "View raw" |
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| 00:57:00 | pixelma | Zagor had the theory that the reader chokes on parenthesis in URLs as in wikipedia links |
| 00:57:11 | pixelma | in some |
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| 01:01:44 | Unhelpful | getting back into pictureflow... i think that after i have a "stable" cache manager to resolve the cache fighting, that would be a good place to commit before starting other stuff, like optional use of audio buffer, etc. |
| 01:03:16 | Nico_P | is one of the swedes there? |
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| 01:34:16 | iheartdogs | how do i do that trick where you charge the ipod thru usb without connecting? |
| 01:34:38 | iheartdogs | i know ya gotta hold menu but for how long? i have a 4th gen greyscale |
| 01:36:11 | Unhelpful | iheartdogs: i believe only until you've actually plugged it in, or at least, that's how the "charge only" trigger works on my gigabeat |
| 01:36:40 | iheartdogs | so i let go as soon as it comes on or what? |
| 01:37:46 | kadoban | it's easier if you just start rockbox first, then hold <whatever> as you insert the plug (or at least it's like that on e200) |
| 01:41:34 | iheartdogs | i can't get the timing right, it always registers.. could that be because my ipod is almost dead? |
| 01:42:28 | iheartdogs | also it doesnt seem to be charging regardless of whether i can do the trick, because it shuts down or gives me the low battery screen. |
| 01:43:48 | iheartdogs | srsly no matter how long i hold the button. won't do it. frustrating. |
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| 02:10:33 | webguestington | is there a known issue with charging problems for ipod 4g greyscale? |
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| 02:14:15 | webguestington | Because I cannot get it to charge. |
| 02:15:53 | webguestington | I would try it in original firmware but i can't seem to load it. i know that was a problem at one point.. |
| 02:17:47 | webguestington | What do you folks think about it |
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| 02:25:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Wow, he couldn't even wait for an answer. |
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| 02:45:26 | Farglebargle | Good Evening. Does a 700 MB+ .ipod bootloader file sound correct? |
| 02:46:04 | Farglebargle | 753M 2009-02-27 20:39 bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 02:50:34 | n1s | no |
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| 02:51:37 | Farglebargle | Yeah, that's sorta what I was thinking. we're looking for something closer to 738k, right? |
| 02:52:36 | n1s | more like ~50kB |
| 02:53:29 | Farglebargle | Hmmm.... I'm pulling SVN, ../tools/configure, picking my 22 (ipod video ) default 32MB memory, and B for Bootloader. |
| 02:54:11 | n1s | why are you building your own bootloader? |
| 02:54:52 | Farglebargle | The refurb 5.5 I just got shipped to me has an 80 gig drive. |
| 02:55:31 | Farglebargle | Google points me at a posting about editing a header file to bring up the max sector sizes. |
| 02:55:56 | refuge | I have Rockbox 3.1 on my 4th Gen iPod Color/Photo and I love it but I'm having issues with charging. How do I get it to charge when plugged in to an A/C adapter? |
| 02:56:00 | n1s | does the released bootloader not work? |
| 02:56:04 | Farglebargle | I figure, what the heck, I have nothing better to do before Monday anyway.... |
| 02:56:51 | refuge | I've looked at the applicable manual and I don't seem to have one of the battery settings it mentions. Weird... |
| 02:57:01 | Farglebargle | I get the dreaded : *PANIC* Unsupported physical sector size: 4096 |
| 02:57:14 | Farglebargle | with the stock bootloader. |
| 02:57:40 | Farglebargle | refuge, if you put it into disk mode, does it charge ok? |
| 02:58:11 | refuge | Right! It'll only charge when plugged into my computer. |
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| 02:58:50 | refuge | Is this normal? |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:04 | Farglebargle | I think I remember reading something about a charging circuit needing to have bits twiddled to get it to behave properly. |
| 03:00:34 | refuge | Oh dear... |
| 03:02:51 | refuge | Well, I love Rockbox and I'll muscle through the minor bugs. Thanks! |
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| 03:11:26 | Farglebargle | MUCH better: 48516 2009-02-27 21:10 bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 03:12:04 | Farglebargle | FWIW, *somehow* I was using the 4.3 toolchain NOT the 4.0.3 ( They're both installed... I guess I picked up the wrong profile... |
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| 03:25:45 | refuge | I lied earlier. My old iPod _is_ charging... ;D |
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| 03:36:41 | dberg918 | I have a quick question |
| 03:37:07 | dberg918 | which player has more processing power...Gigabeat F40 or H10 20GB? |
| 03:38:59 | dberg918 | I'm having skipping issues with my H10 playing certain FLAC files |
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| 03:39:54 | krazykit | the former, but the h10 should have plenty of power to decode FLAC (unless the disk is too slow?) |
| 03:40:30 | dberg918 | it plays the majority of my FLAC files just fine, but there's a certain group that it can't handle right at the beginning |
| 03:41:02 | dberg918 | it will play the first second, freeze for a moment, and then continue to play the rest of the file |
| 03:41:26 | dberg918 | and it will be fine playing through tracks after that, unless I skip a track |
| 03:45:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | How were those FLAC tracks encoded? |
| 03:45:56 | krazykit | are the flac files broken? flac -t will tell you (on a computer) |
| 03:46:16 | dberg918 | yeah, I checked them with flac -t, they're all fine |
| 03:46:22 | dberg918 | they play just fine on my Gigabeat |
| 03:46:32 | dberg918 | and they play on my desktop too |
| 03:46:52 | scorche | just to double check, are you running the lastest build? |
| 03:47:01 | scorche | latest too |
| 03:47:18 | dberg918 | yes, r20135 |
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| 03:48:03 | n1s | dberg918: that sounds like the decoder cohokes on something in the beginning of each file, any exotic metadata perhaps? |
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| 03:48:57 | dberg918 | would it show up in EasyTAG? |
| 03:49:06 | dberg918 | that's how I tagged them |
| 03:49:35 | n1s | not sure |
| 03:49:40 | dberg918 | I'm not totally sure what you mean by "exotic" |
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| 03:51:14 | saratoga | large tags or binary data |
| 03:51:15 | n1s | dberg918: i mean anything that would be likely to cause problems basically, things like embedded album art, huge comment tags, lyrics, tags not belonging to that format at all etc |
| 03:51:55 | dberg918 | nope, nothing like that |
| 03:53:09 | saratoga | if you can't think of anything, you could just to transcode to them to new flac files, as that will fix whatever is wrong |
| 03:53:52 | dberg918 | will it? I was actually considering doing something like that, but I wasn't sure if would do anything |
| 03:54:02 | dberg918 | it* |
| 03:54:27 | krazykit | it might. it can't hurt to try, anyway |
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| 03:54:54 | Farglebargle | That worked much better. |
| 03:55:27 | dberg918 | I've never done this before, do I need to uncompress them, or can I just feed in the original .flac files? |
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| 04:42:39 | FunkyBob | morning, all |
| 04:43:20 | FunkyBob | I was quite excited when I found RockBox (am and even more impressed now that I've installed it... very schmick!) ... as I've been toying with building my own music player, as a bit of an exercise |
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| 04:44:19 | FunkyBob | I was hoping to talk with some people who've dealt with the hardware on what they felt works best, gives good results, etc |
| 04:44:48 | scorche | well, it all depends on what the purpose is |
| 04:45:07 | FunkyBob | mmm? |
| 04:45:44 | scorche | also, this might be better in #rockbox-community as at this point, it isnt too topical to rockbox itself |
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| 04:46:16 | FunkyBob | my original motivation was when I realised that through work I'd toyed with touch sensitive surfaces, small colour OLEDs, SD cards, and embedded ARM chips.... it all seemed so obvious :P |
| 04:46:54 | linuxstb | FunkyBob: You may be interested in this - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayer |
| 04:47:49 | FunkyBob | fairy nuff... my thinking was that was more for social and this is more dev... and my questions are more dev |
| 04:47:54 | FunkyBob | linuxstb: indeed I am... thanks :) |
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| 04:50:00 | dberg918 | okay, new development in the flac issue on my H10 20GB |
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| 04:51:23 | dberg918 | the player skips when using the cabbie v2 theme and my own personal theme "grunge," but not when using minimal themes like engineer2 or boxes |
| 04:52:07 | hillshum | What is needed for the e200v2 charging? |
| 04:52:26 | linuxstb | dberg918: Could these be high resolution files? e.g. 24-bit/96KHz? |
| 04:52:48 | dberg918 | the images? |
| 04:53:01 | linuxstb | The FLAC files. |
| 04:54:47 | FunkyBob | oh, my other question.... I have a little iPod<->Radio adapter (from Belkin)... was wondering what I could do to help to get support |
| 04:54:52 | dberg918 | nope, I re-encoded them to make sure, they're 44100 |
| 04:55:37 | perrikwp | linuxstb: were you the one making a Gigabeat S patcher? |
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| 04:55:47 | linuxstb | perrikwp: Yes |
| 04:56:01 | Unhelpful | are they 24-bit? i'm not sure we can handle 24-bit files from the newest flac reference encoder, yet |
| 04:56:09 | perrikwp | linuxstb: Did it work for windows? |
| 04:56:23 | dberg918 | Unhelpful: how can I check? |
| 04:56:54 | linuxstb | Yes - for one person. Although the problem others had was that Windows simply didn't recognise their S in MTP mode. |
| 04:57:18 | perrikwp | linuxstb: How can I help test it out? |
| 04:57:23 | hillshum | The main problem with MTP |
| 04:58:04 | Unhelpful | dberg918: i would expect any media player worth anything to be able to tell you if they're 24-bit? :/ |
| 04:58:34 | linuxstb | perrikwp: You could try this - http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/beastpatcher.exe You also need this dll in the same directory - http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/MTP_DLL.dll |
| 04:58:47 | linuxstb | perrikwp: Just attach your S to Windows (in MTP mode) and run beastpatcher.exe |
| 04:59:02 | linuxstb | It will install a single-boot bootloader. |
| 04:59:04 | perrikwp | linuxstb: Ok thanks! |
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| 05:02:09 | dberg918 | Unhelpful: I have no idea...what is "24-bit" referring to, a bit rate? |
| 05:02:30 | FunkyBob | the sample size |
| 05:02:51 | FunkyBob | as opposed to 16bit (CD quality) |
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| 05:04:04 | dberg918 | is 24-bit encoding a relatively new thing to FLAC? |
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| 05:07:31 | hillshum | Where is the e200(v2) charging handled? |
| 05:08:17 | FunkyBob | dberg918: yes, it does seem to be fairly recent |
| 05:09:01 | dberg918 | then no |
| 05:09:07 | dberg918 | they're 16bit |
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| 05:14:54 | hillshum | should I copy /firmware/target/arm/as3525/sansa-clip/powermgmt-clip.c to /firmware/target/arm/as3525/sansa-e200v2 ? |
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| 05:17:20 | hillshum | or /fimware/target/arm/sandisk/sansa-e200 ? |
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| 05:38:13 | dberg918 | maybe I'll file a bug report tomorrow |
| 05:38:18 | dberg918 | I'm off to bed |
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| 05:57:59 | ashes | hello |
| 05:58:37 | ashes | i just upgraded rockbox. the playing display is changed. i'd like it to display the current time of day.. like before |
| 05:59:00 | ashes | iriver |
| 05:59:08 | midgey | you'll have to modify the WPS |
| 05:59:27 | ashes | can you tell me where to find it in the menu? |
| 05:59:59 | midgey | wps is a file that describes the playing screen. it's how we have customizable now playing screens |
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| 06:00:23 | midgey | so your best off modifying it on a computer |
| 06:00:33 | Unhelpful | 24-bit encoding in flac is not new, but recent releases (since a year ago or so, now, i think) encode these files differently, and i'm not entirely sure that we can handle this change yet. |
| 06:00:38 | midgey | s/your/you're/ |
| 06:01:23 | ashes | where is the WPS file located? |
| 06:02:14 | midgey | well if you're using the default theme, it will be /.rockbox/wps/cabbiev2.wps |
| 06:02:37 | ashes | .rockbox/wps/Arctic_Desert.wps |
| 06:03:03 | ashes | oka |
| 06:03:05 | ashes | okay |
| 06:03:08 | midgey | have at look at the wiki and it will show you what tags are valid |
| 06:03:10 | midgey | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 06:05:06 | ashes | %cH:%cM:%cS |
| 06:05:11 | ashes | appears to be in the file |
| 06:05:48 | ashes | but is not displayed during play |
| 06:06:04 | midgey | which wps are you using? |
| 06:06:12 | ashes | Arctic_Desert.wps |
| 06:06:20 | ashes | from last year's themes |
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| 06:08:44 | midgey | is there anywhere I can find the theme? |
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| 06:09:18 | ashes | you want me to upload it somewhere? |
| 06:09:31 | midgey | that'd be helpful |
| 06:10:22 | ashes | http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~robert/new/Arctic_Desert.wps |
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| 06:13:43 | ashes | should i try the copy from http://wps.rockbox-lounge.com/24bit/Arctic_Desert.rar ? |
| 06:15:25 | ashes | gah |
| 06:15:29 | ashes | its huge |
| 06:18:39 | midgey | hmm that theme doesn't work at all on my iriver, i'd guess it needs some updating |
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| 06:19:19 | ashes | i used rbutilqt-v1.0.9 to upgrade |
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| 06:19:41 | ashes | the gui says that themes are being reworked, and i should install manually |
| 06:19:48 | ashes | themes |
| 06:19:55 | midgey | which build did you update to? |
| 06:20:06 | ashes | it upgraded rockbox itself though, to current |
| 06:20:14 | ashes | today's svn/cvs version |
| 06:20:16 | scorche | it says that the *theme site* is being reworked |
| 06:20:34 | scorche | so you should install themes the way you always have done |
| 06:20:41 | ashes | it doesn't allow me to install themes |
| 06:20:47 | scorche | right |
| 06:23:09 | * | midgey kicks osx |
| 06:23:23 | midgey | i can't build an h300 sim to test your wps, sorry |
| 06:23:40 | midgey | i swear i will beat mac into shape |
| 06:23:55 | ashes | the new themes rar file has a bunch of .bmp files |
| 06:24:01 | ashes | i don't know where to put them |
| 06:24:35 | midgey | copy each folder into .rockbox on your h300 |
| 06:25:01 | ashes | there are no folders. the rar file extracts every file into the current directory |
| 06:25:57 | midgey | hmm? when I extracted that rar I got backdrops, themes, and wps folders |
| 06:26:28 | Unhelpful | ashes: you need to see how to correctly extract folders with your rar program. |
| 06:26:49 | scorche | if the archive was properly formed, it should be designed with a .rockbox folder in the root, and then the corresponding folders, etc....since that is from a 3rd-party site, it appears that they dont follow our rules to make it easier... |
| 06:27:02 | ashes | ah |
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| 06:27:14 | scorche | in that case, extract the wps, backdrops, etc folders into your .rockbox folder on your device |
| 06:27:20 | ashes | i used the "e" option with unrar, which extracts into the current directory |
| 06:28:15 | ashes | i should use "x" |
| 06:30:31 | ashes | okay |
| 06:30:54 | ashes | hmm |
| 06:32:40 | ashes | no change |
| 06:32:56 | ashes | i unrar'd the new theme, shut down, and restarted |
| 06:33:11 | ashes | no clock in the playback screen |
| 06:34:02 | ashes | 1 sec |
| 06:35:04 | ashes | confirmed |
| 06:35:11 | ashes | my .wps file has %cH:%cM:%cS |
| 06:35:18 | ashes | but i don't see it |
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| 06:37:20 | Unhelpful | did you add that to an existing wps file? and if so, where? added lines can very easily end up being displayed off-screen. |
| 06:38:04 | ashes | it's in the Arctic_Desert/wps/Arctic_Desert.wps file, it's part of the default theme |
| 06:38:14 | ashes | its default for the theme |
| 06:38:42 | scorche | [22:27:08] <scorche> in that case, extract the wps, backdrops, etc folders into your .rockbox folder on your device |
| 06:38:58 | ashes | i did that |
| 06:39:02 | scorche | .rockbox/wps.Arctic_Desert.wps not Arctic_Desert/wps/Arctic_Desert.wps |
| 06:39:19 | ashes | 1 sec |
| 06:41:01 | ashes | k |
| 06:41:26 | ashes | i extracted the rar, then copied Arctic_Desert/* to ., in .rockbox |
| 06:42:33 | ashes | uhm |
| 06:42:46 | ashes | i do see the time of the audio file |
| 06:42:49 | ashes | like |
| 06:42:57 | ashes | time left, and time played |
| 06:43:06 | ashes | what i want is the current time of day |
| 06:43:55 | ashes | a clock |
| 06:45:50 | midgey | does the time appear in the menu (in the upper right)? |
| 06:46:18 | ashes | no |
| 06:46:24 | ashes | it used to |
| 06:46:44 | ashes | there is a stable release for iriver now? |
| 06:46:56 | midgey | go to System > Time & Date |
| 06:47:04 | midgey | and tell me what you see |
| 06:47:16 | midgey | yes, 3.0 and 3.1 were both released for h300 |
| 06:47:27 | ashes | 00:47 feb 28, 2009 |
| 06:47:40 | ashes | would i be better off with the stable release? |
| 06:50:46 | scorche | no you wouldnt...there is nothing wrong with the latest build, but with the WPS you are using.... |
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| 08:40:48 | midgey | and to bring a conversation over from -community, osx still has problems building certain sims |
| 08:41:00 | midgey | h300 being one for sure |
| 08:41:13 | amiconn | midgey: Rename the osx.dummy.bmp in remote_mono to e.g. osx.dummy2.bmp, and change SOURCES accordingly |
| 08:41:15 | midgey | the produced error is: |
| 08:41:17 | midgey | ld: duplicate symbol _osx in /Users/tjross/code/rockbox-devel/builds/h300-sim/apps/bitmaps/remote_mono/osx.dummy.o and /Users/tjross/code/rockbox-devel/builds/h300-sim/apps/bitmaps/mono/osx.dummy.o |
| 08:41:22 | midgey | that's the plan |
| 08:42:02 | midgey | the dummy files were added for a quirk in 10.4, the quirk might be gone in 10.5 |
| 08:42:09 | amiconn | The osx toolchain is weird. Different section names than anything else, unable to deal with empty libs.... |
| 08:42:36 | midgey | if by weird you mean broken, then yes |
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| 08:43:22 | midgey | unless things have changed recently, you'll get a ton of warnings build sims on 10.4 |
| 08:43:46 | midgey | i know i don't get them anymore on 10.5, but it might be a change with the build system |
| 08:44:21 | midgey | basically it didn't like that we had functions that matched system library functions |
| 08:46:32 | nsfx | the rockbox installer says to reboot the player into the original firmware. how do you do this with an iriver h1x0? |
| 08:48:07 | midgey | have you checked our lovely manual? |
| 08:48:17 | midgey | specifically section 3.1.3 |
| 08:48:45 | nsfx | woops |
| 08:48:57 | nsfx | i was focusing on the "my orig firmware won't boot" section |
| 08:49:03 | nsfx | thanks midgey :] |
| 08:49:09 | midgey | no problem |
| 08:53:33 | * | amiconn just found a little size optimisation for SH1 |
| 08:53:54 | amiconn | It's a compiler option - need to figure out where to put it |
| 08:55:31 | amiconn | Hmm, looks like a job for configure |
| 08:55:57 | amiconn | Standard section alignment on SH is 16 bytes, but it can be changed to 4 bytes using -small |
| 08:57:59 | midgey | nifty |
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| 09:01:11 | nsfx | of course now rockbox won't load at all |
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| 09:13:52 | amiconn | Hmm, -Os seems to already add -small to the assembler options |
| 09:20:37 | amiconn | So no further savings... |
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| 09:42:36 | amiconn | Maybe I should repeat my questions regarding plugin startup on the dev ml |
| 09:45:53 | Unhelpful | i certainly missed seeing the questions entirely, others may have as well... |
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| 09:48:51 | amiconn | Yesterday's log, 23:30 thru 23:48 |
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| 10:02:49 | Unhelpful | log seems to be truncated... but i think i found it. i'm not entirely sure i follow, other than apple being happy with __data rather than .data |
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| 10:05:41 | amiconn | USe the raw log. The log viewer chokes on certain URLs and doesn't show the whole log in such a case |
| 10:06:00 | amiconn | Basically there is an inconsistency between plugin and codec startup. |
| 10:06:37 | amiconn | On targets not using iram, codecs get their bss cleared by the loader, while codecs clear it themselves (in codec_crt0.c) |
| 10:07:58 | amiconn | On targets using iram, codecs also init iram in codec_crt0.c, while plugins have to call plugin_iram_init() which is a core function |
| 10:08:56 | amiconn | If a plugin actually uses iram, the plugin loader doesn't clear all .bss, but only the part that doesn't overlap the iramcopy. The latter part is cleared in plugin_iram_init() as well |
| 10:09:41 | amiconn | My suggestion is to introduce a plugin_crt0.c that handles things similar to codec_crt0.c, and get rid of the clearing in the core |
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| 10:10:54 | amiconn | The difference is that plugins which do use iram need to stop playback (because they use the same iram block as codecs). But this can be handled in crt0 by looking at the iram section size. If it is zero, no init and hence no playback stop is necessary |
| 10:10:58 | Unhelpful | and this got exposed when the os x sim fix cleared the section attribute from ci and rb for builds without iram, right? |
| 10:11:08 | amiconn | yes |
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| 10:13:04 | amiconn | My suggestion would make things easier for plugin devs, at the price of losing the ability to delay iram init, e.g. for asking the user first |
| 10:13:50 | amiconn | *but* this special trick is potentially dangerous with the current section layout anyway, and making bss and iram not overlap increases ram usage of plugins (if they use iram) |
| 10:14:14 | Unhelpful | hrm, yes, "i have to stop playback, is that ok" would be nice, but not if it would be unstable |
| 10:14:15 | amiconn | My suggestion would also reduce core binsize a bit, at the cost of increasing plugin binsize a bit |
| 10:15:27 | amiconn | Unhelpful: It is unstable if something (e.g. this request) starts using bss before iram is inited, and the part of bss it uses actually falls into the iram copy |
| 10:16:43 | amiconn | The request could be added to my plugin_crt0 idea as well, at the cost of more binsize increase, even for plugins not using iram at all |
| 10:17:43 | Unhelpful | hrm, i don't like *that* solution |
| 10:20:49 | Unhelpful | am i right in thinking that making a request as the first action in the plugin, and immediately doing iram init if permission is granted, or exiting if not, should be safe? |
| 10:25:15 | Unhelpful | also, how many plugins both 1) use iram and 2) do *not* obviously require stopping audio playback anyway (ie, because they play videos, or are games with sound) |
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| 11:05:13 | amiconn | Hmm, or maybe not |
| 11:09:53 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i think i've found why PF is horrid on my e200... it's not the new slide cache, it's apparently the last change i put up on FS, to fetch the current title on demand. |
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| 11:18:31 | Unhelpful | hrm, fixing the incorrect cod that was intended to guard against fetching the same cover repeatedly makes it work faster, but there's a visible stall each time the album name changes. there was no problem on beast, even with that guard broken, but that might be down to the higher clock speed |
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| 11:58:18 | jaykay | pixelma: were there still problems with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9754? |
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| 13:01:39 | gevaerts | \☺/ |
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| 13:44:01 | pixelma | jaykay: well, me having internet connection problems and then forgetting about it. I'm still not sure what to do with the "mp3 frames" and "Festplatte/Datenträger" - it is possible to be different to English there and I'd prefer it |
| 13:44:58 | pixelma | if I don't forget, I will commit the non-controversial part tomorrow |
| 13:45:15 | pixelma | (don't have much time noe) |
| 13:45:15 | jaykay | pixelma: i also dont know about the mp3-frames, but datenträger/festplatte is only syncing to the english lang |
| 13:45:32 | pixelma | yes, but it's not necessary |
| 13:46:33 | * | BigBambi welcomes fml |
| 13:48:58 | pixelma | jaykay: you can diverge from the master and to me it makes sense in German (IIRC it was put there on purpose) |
| 13:48:58 | jaykay | pixelma: but its redundant and could be removed... anyway, im also happy if the rest gets committed :) |
| 13:50:28 | pixelma | I don't think it's redundant, just more precise (maybe more personal to the reader with an HD based target) |
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| 13:51:13 | pixelma | I don't know what happens on CF modded devices though... I'll think about it :) |
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| 13:59:28 | gevaerts | Is there any progress on the 1st gen ipod scrollwheel issue? Is anyone actually still thinking about it? |
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| 14:00:26 | B4gder | I can't recall seeing anyone |
| 14:02:54 | gevaerts | The patch in FS #8778 looks pretty simple. Are there risks of it suddenly not identifying G2s properly any more? |
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| 14:03:36 | B4gder | afaik, amiconn is the only one who ever use one of those targets |
| 14:04:58 | n1s | gevaerts: i think that's it, yes |
| 14:05:15 | gevaerts | Every now and then an actual first gen user turns up. It would be a pity to drop support for only this reason |
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| 14:06:33 | gevaerts | Any reason not to make two builds then, one normal and one "force 1st gen"? |
| 14:06:38 | pixelma | IIRC there was a problem with this |
| 14:07:08 | pixelma | can't remember the details, amiconn knows more |
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| 14:38:36 | gevaerts | Does screens[x].transparent_bitmap() just draw a bitmap on top of what's already there at the position specified? |
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| 14:53:16 | awake_ | does rockbox support embedded cuesheets in flac files? |
| 14:57:44 | BigBambi | not |
| 14:57:50 | BigBambi | er, no |
| 14:57:52 | BigBambi | not embedded |
| 14:58:34 | BigBambi | If they are seperate they should be fine (certainly for MP3, I assume for FLAC) |
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| 15:00:18 | awake_ | ah okay, thanks |
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| 16:28:34 | soap | 13:33 < kugel> Our benches are meaningless anyway, since they aren't scientific who cares! |
| 16:28:57 | soap | - Huh? I'm not the only one who has taken great care to test only one variable at a time. |
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| 16:29:13 | rasher | soap: It was a quote |
| 16:29:17 | rasher | Of some troll |
| 16:29:25 | gevaerts | soap: that's a reference to a troll who claimed that at some point |
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| 16:32:26 | Nico_P | gevaerts: what's a LUN? |
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| 16:33:02 | rasher | Some SCSI communication point I believe |
| 16:33:29 | gevaerts | Yes. It stands for Logical Unit Number. Maybe I should have called it "drive" in the commit message |
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| 16:36:08 | gevaerts | If someone who's reasonably familiar with rockbox graphics code feels bored, have a look at FS #9969 |
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| 16:51:16 | * | gevaerts thinks he knows a way to do activity indicators as well |
| 16:52:12 | rasher | And on-the-fly transfer speeds? |
| 16:53:14 | gevaerts | more or less, yes |
| 16:53:44 | * | Llorean wonders how many bug reports our transfer speed not matching what the host says will generate. |
| 16:54:11 | * | gevaerts would never show actual numbers |
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| 16:54:22 | rasher | Aw |
| 16:54:35 | gevaerts | OK, *you* can have numbers :) |
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| 16:55:08 | rasher | Hurray |
| 16:57:22 | soap | is anyone aware of an "offline" editor for Twiki tables? My google-fu has turned up nothing, and tables can quickly become a pain to edit. |
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| 17:13:44 | rasher | My e250 apparently fails to write the firmware image I copy over in recovery image, giving the error "main_image write failed". Does anyone have any ideas what might be wrong? (also posted here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=20793.0) |
| 17:15:33 | Llorean | Have you tried also copying the paired .rom image over at the same time? |
| 17:16:36 | rasher | I believe so. Not in this round of attempts though. Let me retry |
| 17:21:39 | rasher | Writing the bootloader fails as well |
| 17:23:47 | soap | Llorean: any thoughs on my proposed changes to the IpodAccessories wiki page as outlined in my discussion with Dave Woyciesjes in the User Mailing List? |
| 17:25:00 | soap | on thought 3A - perhaps "Audio In" could also be tracked under "Other" as only the "Recording" class of devices have this - and IMHO the table is getting overly huge as is. |
| 17:25:31 | Llorean | Audio Out always ought to be "yes" right? |
| 17:25:55 | Llorean | I mean mostly we're dealing with accessory protocol issues. Controls, etc? |
| 17:26:02 | * | Llorean hasn't looked at the page in ages. |
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| 17:26:24 | rasher | What on earth has happened on that page. Why are there old tests in the new table? |
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| 17:26:46 | * | gevaerts points rasher to FS #9969 |
| 17:27:05 | rasher | Neat |
| 17:27:35 | gevaerts | I'd post a screenshot, but I have no idea how to make screenshots in rockbox while USB is connected |
| 17:27:55 | rasher | I expect it's not possible |
| 17:28:10 | * | gevaerts finds a bug |
| 17:28:54 | mcuelenaere | is it normal for the power thread to have a high stack usage? (like 94%) |
| 17:32:29 | Llorean | kugel: If I saw an option called "Recognize numbers while sorting" and I chose "false" I would expect it to then ignore numbers entirely. |
| 17:33:05 | rasher | Is the Sansa E200 recovery mode part of the bootloader? Or does it reside somewhere else? It seems odd that manufacturer mode is able to write the bootloader, but recovery mode isn't. |
| 17:33:06 | Nico_P | gevaerts: isn't the USB supposed to disappear after the device is unmounted? |
| 17:33:20 | Nico_P | s/USB/USB screen/ |
| 17:33:27 | gevaerts | Nico_P: no. Only after eject |
| 17:34:01 | Nico_P | it still doesn't |
| 17:34:31 | gevaerts | what OS and what target? |
| 17:34:37 | Nico_P | oh I need to use sudo for eject to actually work, sorry |
| 17:34:49 | gevaerts | ok |
| 17:35:46 | soap | Llorean: Audio Out is not always a yes. Some accessories _appear_ to await two way communication before working at all. |
| 17:36:13 | soap | rasher: there are old tests in the new table becaue those items work and don't need reproven. |
| 17:36:38 | rasher | Oh ah |
| 17:37:25 | soap | Old positives should equal current positives. Whereas old negatives might be current positives. |
| 17:37:49 | rasher | Hadn't looked close enough to catch that. Makes sense |
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| 17:39:03 | Llorean | gevaerts: Is the USB screen expected to go away with ejection on current builds? Or with something special enabled? |
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| 17:39:19 | gevaerts | Llorean: current builds |
| 17:39:37 | Llorean | Okay, doesn't work for me in Windows at least. |
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| 17:43:12 | gevaerts | The fancy USB screen causes bus resets :( |
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| 17:43:36 | rasher | Aww. Ejecting works here (Linux) |
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| 17:44:09 | Llorean | Does Windows handle ejecting differently? I'm sure I've seen devices become usable after a windows "eject". |
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| 17:44:19 | rasher | No idea, really. |
| 17:44:40 | Llorean | Oh, I was testing with a Gigabeat S. Just thought I should ask, is this device-specific at all for the moment (besides requiring swusb)? |
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| 17:44:50 | gevaerts | it shouldn't be |
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| 17:45:43 | * | Llorean tests on a Nano |
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| 17:47:32 | Llorean | Has anyone looked at the iPod charging patch? |
| 17:47:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Which one is it again? |
| 17:47:52 | gevaerts | Llorean: how do you eject? "Safe remove" or "Eject"? |
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| 17:48:45 | Llorean | gevaerts: Safely remove. |
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| 17:49:10 | gevaerts | Llorean: can you see if "eject" (from the drive context menu) works? |
| 17:49:16 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: I can't find it. Maybe I'm crazy |
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| 17:49:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: I'll go search. |
| 17:49:42 | * | gevaerts has to look what windoes does exactly on safely remove |
| 17:49:46 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: I just looked through all the still open tasks by him |
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| 17:50:32 | Llorean | gevaerts: There's not an "Eject" option for HD targets. |
| 17:50:38 | mcuelenaere | anyone familiar with settings.c/h around? |
| 17:50:45 | Llorean | They don't show up as "Removable Disk" so they only get "Safely Remove" |
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| 17:50:57 | gevaerts | ah yes. The beast is explicitely non-removable... |
| 17:51:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: I see FS #6891 (nano charger support), but that's it right now. |
| 17:51:22 | Llorean | gevaerts: Both "Eject" AND "Safely Remove" work for my Nano, same SVN revision |
| 17:51:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ahh, FS #9295 also looks interesting. |
| 17:51:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | "Charger detection for 2G iPod (and 1G?)" |
| 17:52:08 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8802 |
| 17:52:10 | gevaerts | Llorean: that actually makes some sense. Of course windows won't send an eject command to a non-removable drive... |
| 17:52:19 | Llorean | It's a patch without its own task |
| 17:52:35 | Llorean | gevaerts: Is there some way you can tell it's been safely removed but not ejected? |
| 17:52:56 | gevaerts | not sure. I need to test that |
| 17:53:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Our hero dreamlayers to the rescue once again! :) |
| 17:54:41 | Llorean | It looks like it may need an option similar to the H300. |
| 17:54:53 | Llorean | Or has one from the description |
| 17:55:50 | gevaerts | rasher: manufacturer mode doesn't write the bootloader |
| 17:56:01 | gevaerts | Also, have you tried sansa.fmt? |
| 17:56:27 | rasher | gevaerts: Oh darn. So I guess the memory is broken? |
| 17:56:32 | rasher | I have. :\ |
| 17:59:14 | gevaerts | rasher: maybe the partition table is just bad in a way that sansa.fmt can't handle. That's what happens on c200 |
| 17:59:21 | * | gevaerts speculates wildly |
| 17:59:30 | rasher | I'm open to any suggestions |
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| 18:00:34 | gevaerts | If that's the case, an e250 port of the c250 eraser may help |
| 18:00:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: I say go for it. |
| 18:03:22 | rasher | gevaerts: I'd love that... I doubt it's a task for me, though |
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| 18:10:45 | fml | Any flyspray admins here? |
| 18:11:23 | BigBambi | fml: To be given rights you want Bagder |
| 18:11:32 | BigBambi | fml: congrats btw |
| 18:12:36 | fml | BigBambi: thanks. This was frankly speaking a surprise |
| 18:12:49 | fml | Bagder: I want you! |
| 18:13:22 | BigBambi | fml: We clearly *someone* thought it deserved :P |
| 18:13:25 | Llorean | gevaerts: So "Safely Remove" can fail to 'eject' an e200 as well, it seems. |
| 18:13:28 | fml | Does anybody know how the font is chosen for the default theme? |
| 18:13:45 | fml | It's too small IMHO for sansa e200 |
| 18:13:45 | gevaerts | rasher: I *think* that if you change tools/configure line 1624 to say -DSANSA_E200 (instead of C) and then build 52\ne\n5\n it should work |
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| 18:14:02 | rasher | gevaerts: I'll try |
| 18:14:21 | gevaerts | rasher: you need the .bin file with e200tool, not the .mi4 |
| 18:14:37 | rasher | gevaerts: I trust it this is not really likely to screw things *more* up? |
| 18:14:51 | soap | fml, as I recall A font was chosen for the default theme, and then the size was determined by attemping to maintain the "look" of the WPS across targets as best possible. |
| 18:14:55 | rasher | considering things aren't working as it is |
| 18:16:37 | gevaerts | rasher: hm. e250 seems to be smaller than c250, so that partition table won't work... |
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| 18:19:14 | gevaerts | rasher: comment out all storage_write_sectors() calls in bootloader/main-c250wipe.c, and then try. It won't do anything at all, but you'll know if the approach works. Then, run a c240erase build (after the same configure changes of course), and try that. This will give you an e240 of course, but once you have that rockbox should work and you can use rockbox usb (or even the OF) for further work |
| 18:19:46 | rasher | gevaerts: Sounds good. |
| 18:20:08 | fml | soap: was it discussed for each target individually or is there some rules (LCD W+H -> Font size)? |
| 18:21:10 | soap | haha - I do not believe there was any science behind the choice. Let me see if the discussion is still in the WPS forum, or if it got "archived". |
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| 18:21:58 | Llorean | soap: Shouldn't be in the archives. That's strictly limited to pre-move threads, I believe. |
| 18:22:13 | fml | soap: since a 12-font (the glyphs are even smaller) is hardly readable (for me) I use 19 on sansa e200 |
| 18:22:38 | Llorean | For what it's worth, I think the font size is about right. Maybe *slightly* larger, but 19 would be huge. |
| 18:22:40 | soap | so every bit of the (non-IRC) discussion should be in the (massive) "ONGOING DEFAULT THEME CONTEST!!!" thread? |
| 18:22:48 | Llorean | soap: Yeah |
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| 18:24:02 | rasher | fml: Might I interest you in my theme (Wide Cabbie)? |
| 18:24:15 | Llorean | fml: Don't forget that the default theme uses album art, and so the font size needs to be "big enough to read, but small enough to fit certain information even while AA is displayed" |
| 18:24:44 | soap | ok, seaching simply for "font" and only on that thread takes you down to 7 pages of threads. That removes 90% of the entries. |
| 18:24:48 | fml | rasher: what am I supposed to do? I can look at it, but I myself use a very simple, text only WPS |
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| 18:24:56 | soap | s/threads/messages/ |
| 18:25:26 | rasher | fml: Ah, I thought you were looking for a "pretty much cabbiev2, but larger font!" theme |
| 18:25:27 | fml | Llorean: that's a valid point, yes. I never use AA. |
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| 18:25:44 | * | rasher thinks the font in cabbiv2 is tiny |
| 18:25:59 | * | kugel welcomes fml :) |
| 18:26:02 | * | BigBambi thinks it is too (especially in gigabeat f/s) |
| 18:26:18 | BigBambi | In fact, it was bigger in gigabeat F/S, then Nico_P changed it |
| 18:27:12 | kugel | saratogahome: Doesn't surprise me that 4.3.2 is slower too |
| 18:27:17 | * | Llorean thinks that in both those cases, they're at what he would consider "the smallest size I don't yet consider too small" |
| 18:27:26 | fml | rasher: I just saw the font and tried to switch the languages. It lacks many areas of the unicode table. So a new user might be "catched up". And then I also thought it was too small. |
| 18:27:35 | saratogahome | kugel: yeah |
| 18:27:36 | fml | kugel: thanks |
| 18:27:59 | saratogahome | i think a lot of versions of cabbie with different font sizes were uploaded to the wiki, so you could probably dig out who proposed what sizes |
| 18:28:03 | BigBambi | Llorean: I use my own version of cabbie v2 anyway with a bigger font, as I do consider them too small :) |
| 18:28:27 | saratogahome | but basically everyone just sort of argued about it and eventually came to agree, and then i took those fonts and hard coded them |
| 18:28:34 | kugel | for me, the cabbiev2 font is perfect |
| 18:28:46 | BigBambi | kugel: On which player? |
| 18:29:19 | fml | It depends on the screen size. And on the eyes. And on the taste of course. I couldn't live with it. |
| 18:30:05 | rasher | I was having a go at adding a "LANG_CHARACTERS" string to the language files, that the font/language loader could use to check if the font and languages match |
| 18:30:47 | soap | IMHO the problem is worse on those portrait screens. Wrong orientation for displaying info, IMHO. Large fonts force scrolling too easily. |
| 18:31:02 | kugel | BigBambi: e200, fuze (same font) |
| 18:31:05 | fml | Could we agree on a measure? I.e. x height should be no less that ... mm (real millimeters) on target? I heard that in printed docs, font size under 8pt is considered too small. How big is it in mm? |
| 18:31:15 | BigBambi | kugel: I still think it is slightly small on that, but not as bad as on the gigabeat F/S |
| 18:31:23 | kugel | even on the clip it's perfect, as it matches well with the dual-color screen |
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| 18:32:01 | BigBambi | soap: yes, portrait is worse. Personally I prefer scrolling over too (IMO) small fonts, but as with so many things it is a matter of taste |
| 18:32:16 | Llorean | fml: That might be unrealistic. On targets like the Clip with *very* tiny screens, a smaller font size is much more acceptable, even expected. |
| 18:32:23 | Llorean | It needs to be chosen on a target-by-target basis. |
| 18:32:58 | soap | fml: If all targets had the same pixel density perhaps a hard rule could be made, but forcing low density and low resolution screens to be considered with the same "rule" as high-density high-resolution screens (not to mention orientation) can't work. |
| 18:33:08 | kugel | I prefer more items on the screens over non-scrolling (i.e. <3 portrait for lists) |
| 18:33:10 | saratogahome | the optimal size for print doesn't really apply here since smaller screens are held closer to the face, and thus the characters subtend a larger angle to the viewer |
| 18:33:19 | fml | Llorean: yes. But just as an objective meause. Just for "orientation" |
| 18:34:30 | soap | The design goal of the default theme would need to be changed. The current default theme was designed to appear as consistent across targets as possible. |
| 18:35:21 | soap | Perhaps a new (default?) theme could be worked out favors maximizing the capabilities of each particular screen over attempts to maintain a "universal" feel. |
| 18:35:35 | soap | *which favors |
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| 18:36:00 | rasher | gevaerts: e200tool recover bootloader.bin? (with a e250erase build, commented out all storage_write_sectors in bootloader/main-c250wipe.c? |
| 18:36:31 | gevaerts | rasher: yes. Maybe with e200tool init first. That's not needed on c200, but I don't know about e200 |
| 18:36:37 | Llorean | fml: As I said, objective measure doesn't mean anything. |
| 18:36:50 | rasher | gevaerts: I don't think it's needed on e200 either |
| 18:37:04 | kugel | but it can't hurt. I had more success with it |
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| 18:37:26 | Llorean | soap: A fair idea. |
| 18:37:43 | rasher | gevaerts: It's counting down .. seems to have stopped at "256 kB left"? |
| 18:38:47 | rasher | gevaerts: It also skipped past "Press any key to shutdown", then appeared to write some more. Without me having to press anything? |
| 18:39:32 | gevaerts | rasher: it shouldn't do that, Are you sure it isn't due to the not very advanced screen layout I used? |
| 18:39:49 | rasher | Ah right, probably |
| 18:39:57 | rasher | Oh yes, I see it now. |
| 18:40:13 | rasher | That appear to have "worked" |
| 18:41:32 | rasher | So now I do the same with 240? |
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| 18:42:52 | gevaerts | I'd try that yes |
| 18:44:17 | rasher | Here we go |
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| 18:52:50 | fml | How are the fonts built? I.e. when (in the make process)? And how are the errors/warnings processed? |
| 18:56:02 | fml | Re FS #9931: am I right that the font size in RB is the number of pixels between two lines (between their base lines)? And that the size doesn't necesserily tells anything about the height of the glyphs (e.g. x height)? |
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| 20:30:50 | Llorean | gevaerts: Did you have any thought about the e200 note regaining control when "Safely Removed" only "Ejected" (while Nanos regain control on both)? |
| 20:31:42 | gevaerts | Llorean: not really. Was this with a microsd card inserted? |
| 20:32:04 | Llorean | No. |
| 20:33:10 | Llorean | If I eject the internal memory drive, I'm back in the Rockbox menu (even though the "removable drive" still shows in My Computer just without a 'disk' in it). If I safely remove the device while leaving the cable connected, it stays in USB mode, even though both drives are gone from My Computer |
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| 20:45:05 | Nico_P | gevaerts: RoLo failed to load a firmware file I had just transferred (without the status indicator patch), is this suspicious? |
| 20:46:44 | gevaerts | Nico_P: it's certainly not good. Does it fail again after rebooting? |
| 20:47:06 | Nico_P | gevaerts: I didn't try and it works OK now :( |
| 20:47:19 | Nico_P | I mean I sent another firmware file |
| 20:47:49 | kugel | how are the odds for 5 title to fit exactly into the audio buffer? i.e. data_rem: 0 |
| 20:48:07 | kugel | this stupid boost bug appears again. |
| 20:48:29 | gevaerts | Nico_P: in that case I don't really have ideas... |
| 20:49:50 | gevaerts | Llorean: I can reproduce this (Windows safely remove not leaving rockbox USB mode). I need to trace this, but unfortunately the tracer software runs on windows, using the same PC to trace and be traced doesn't work well, and I don't have a second windows machine available right now... |
| 20:50:00 | gevaerts | I'll look at it as soon as I can |
| 20:50:09 | Llorean | Okay |
| 20:50:13 | Llorean | Thanks |
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| 20:55:16 | kugel | Nico_P: would it be a good idea to always set filling to something != STATE_FILLING (so that boosting is canceled), no matter of the actual error code? |
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| 20:55:58 | Nico_P | kugel: if the error causes the buffer to stop filling, then yes |
| 20:56:16 | kugel | it's weird. the boosting goes away again if I do it this way at metadata buffering |
| 20:56:38 | kugel | even though bufopen for metadata can only return ERR_BUFFER_FULL, or a valid id |
| 20:57:38 | kugel | and I can't use logf, since that makes the boosting go away too (less audio buffer) |
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| 20:58:15 | kugel | well, I don't know if a failed bufopen should cause buffering to stop in any event |
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| 21:01:14 | kugel | so, it actually shouldn't matter if I do == ERR[..], or < 0, for metadata buffering; but it apparently does (/me doesn't quite understand |
| 21:01:16 | kugel | ) |
| 21:01:50 | kugel | but I'm going to commit that anyway, this was before me there anyway, and I changed it to == |
| 21:02:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | Does anyone have any objections to FS #8778 being committed? According to tests done, it seems to fix the scroll wheel problem on 1G iPods, and it doesn't break anything on 2G iPods or unaffected 1G iPods. |
| 21:03:42 | gevaerts | I'm in favour |
| 21:04:50 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: I think amiconn had objections |
| 21:05:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Do you remember what he had said about the patch? |
| 21:06:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | I've tried it on my 2G iPod last night with r20137 and have seen no problems with it at all. |
| 21:06:11 | kugel | Nico_P: seems the boosting goes away solely by slight changes of the binsize |
| 21:06:27 | Nico_P | uh, that's not very nice :( |
| 21:06:59 | kugel | seems there's a very tiny window where add_handle doesn't work as expected |
| 21:07:15 | kugel | probably only if data_rem == 0 too |
| 21:07:38 | Unhelpful | ok, here's how FS #9919 is fetching album titles... am i doing this, is there a faster way, or do i need to go back to caching the title when i build the album index in the first place? http://pastie.org/403244 |
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| 21:07:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Ping |
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| 21:09:06 | Keripo | Hello, I was wondering if Rockbox will be participating this year in Google Summer of Code 2009 |
| 21:09:20 | Nico_P | Keripo: we'll be applying |
| 21:09:31 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: No, would be easy to find if he would bother to raise his opinion on the tracker too. But it should be somewhere in the logs |
| 21:09:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Keripo: Watch the mailing list and the front page for the news. |
| 21:09:47 | Unhelpful | doing this *wrong*, that is :/ |
| 21:09:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: I'll check the logs out. |
| 21:10:22 | Keripo | Nico_P: Same/similar projects as last years? I'm interested in porting Rockbox to the PSP platform or possibly just as a generic, portable app |
| 21:10:57 | Bagder | Keripo: the projects are always up to the students to suggest |
| 21:11:10 | Bagder | we as projects only provide ideas |
| 21:11:57 | Bagder | but of course, the best is if done in communication student <=> project |
| 21:12:00 | * | Bagder runs off |
| 21:12:05 | Keripo | Ahh, that's good. Always thought it was project-decided. Looking forward to it then ^_^ |
| 21:12:25 | gevaerts | It is, in a way. The project decides which proposals get accepted |
| 21:12:41 | kugel | ah, since USB, developing is so much better |
| 21:12:59 | gevaerts | kugel: for you, maybe ;) |
| 21:13:00 | kugel | no need to boot into the OF endlessly. just drop the binary and rolo it |
| 21:13:09 | kugel | I love it |
| 21:13:26 | bluebrother | the binary? |
| 21:13:39 | kugel | rockbox.<target> |
| 21:15:02 | Horscht | isn't rebooting from OF to rockbox the more tedious reboot? |
| 21:15:55 | Unhelpful | Horscht: much more so, on my e200... also, RB seems to get storage available much more quickly than OF |
| 21:16:55 | kugel | not to forget that stupid database refresh |
| 21:17:42 | * | kugel does the USB dance once more _o| \o/ |o_ |
| 21:21:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: I see what amiconn said, but I want to speak to him about it directly as well. |
| 21:21:12 | kugel | Sure |
| 21:21:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think the patch is very useful, and will finally allow people to use their 1G iPods without worry. |
| 21:21:53 | kugel | though, I think yapper has some good point |
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| 21:23:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | I do as well. However, we also don't have very many developers or staff that own a 1G iPod, so I don't know if anyone's tested this patch on the 1G iPod itself. |
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| 22:06:10 | kubiix | anyone can help me understad working with gpio states ? |
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| 22:21:22 | saratoga | kubiix: whats your question? |
| 22:25:31 | kubiix | saratoga: i know that on ipod photo connecting the charger causes GPIOD change from 50 to 58, how can I handle this in charging_state() in ipod-power.c |
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| 22:26:45 | kubiix | there is used only GPIOB, but it looks it is not used for it on iPod Color/Photo |
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| 22:38:52 | saratoga | kubiix: does it work if you check GPIOD? |
| 22:44:31 | kubiix | saratoga: thinking about it, I am not sure now that the problem is in charging_state(), because the all the powermanagement in last builds is weird, i can charge iPod only from OF, the battery indicator reports always empty battery and the estimated runtime is arount 180 mins |
| 22:46:06 | saratoga | kubiix: is the problem that it doesn't charge or that you don't get accurate battery voltage readings? |
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| 22:48:08 | kubiix | saratoga: i am sure it is not charging |
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| 22:59:48 | amiconn | gevaerts: The problem is that the current method stays on the safe side by checking for a 1st gen, and only enabling the wheel power if it finds one |
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| 23:00:19 | fml | Where is the file with manual credits? |
| 23:00:24 | amiconn | If we change it the way the patch does, and a 2nd Gen will be misidentified, I don't know what happens when power is applied to that pin |
| 23:00:44 | bluebrother | fml: docs/CREDITS-MANUAL |
| 23:01:03 | amiconn | And the reason why there aren't two builds but just one is that the signatures are identical, so that ipodpatcher/rbutil cannot distinguish them at all |
| 23:01:16 | amiconn | Apple also uses a single firmware for both |
| 23:01:24 | bluebrother | or are you referring to the credits section? That gets generated from CREDITS |
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| 23:02:28 | rasher | CREDITS-MANUAL isn't actually used for anything, is it? |
| 23:02:39 | bluebrother | no. |
| 23:02:39 | amiconn | It would be possible to check the apple SysInfo structure in RAM at boot, but I'd rather not rely on apple magic here |
| 23:04:24 | amiconn | Imo the proper method would be to analyze what checks the apple ROM is doing in order to build the SysInfo struct. That requires some RE, preferably using a ROM dump from such a misidentifed 1st Geb |
| 23:04:55 | amiconn | I guess that updating the OF on a problematic 1st Gen would fix the problem as well, but I don't think we should require that |
| 23:05:16 | saratoga | that actually sounds like a pretty reasonable thing to ask people to try |
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| 23:06:29 | fml | bluebrother: thanks |
| 23:06:59 | amiconn | saratoga: It is certainly worth a test, but imo it shouldn't be the final solution |
| 23:07:25 | amiconn | And once you upgraded, you cannot downgrade again to test other solutions... |
| 23:07:40 | Llorean | amiconn: Under what conditions could a 2nd gen be misidentified? |
| 23:07:57 | fml | Now that more people are here I'd like to repeat my question: How are the fonts built? I.e. when (in the make process)? And how are the errors/warnings processed? |
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| 23:08:23 | amiconn | Perhaps there are oldish ROMs for 2nd Gens as well, which also do not have the SysI info in ROM |
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| 23:08:41 | Llorean | fml: The best way to ask questions that only one or two people may know a good answer for is to do it on the -dev mailing list. It also helps if you explain why you're asking, so people know exactly what parts you're most interested in. |
| 23:09:16 | Llorean | amiconn: Does Apple depend on the SysI info, or do they do some sort of hardware detection we don't know about? |
| 23:09:17 | * | amiconn would perhaps be able to answer, but doesn't understand fml's question |
| 23:10:01 | amiconn | [23:04:23] <amiconn> Imo the proper method would be to analyze what checks the apple ROM is doing in order to build the SysInfo struct. That requires some RE... |
| 23:10:11 | amiconn | Iow, I don't know yet |
| 23:10:21 | Llorean | Hm, I even read through the backlog and somehow I missed that line. |
| 23:10:32 | * | Llorean needs to check his eyes it seems. |
| 23:10:44 | fml | amiconn: it's about FS #9931. I think convbdf should print errors (or at least warnings) if a font is "bad" (whatever that is). Will it break the build process? |
| 23:11:06 | Llorean | amiconn: Could you hazard a guess as to what the worst negative effect of misidentifying a 2G would be? |
| 23:11:40 | amiconn | Iirc, the 1st Gen wheel power pin is the same as the 2nd Gen headphone detection |
| 23:12:08 | fml | And what is better: produce a font with some glyphs displaed incorrectly or to refuse to process the font? |
| 23:12:08 | amiconn | Depending on how headphone detection works, switching that GPIO pin to output and high could mean short-circuiting that pin |
| 23:19:26 | * | amiconn would simply close #9931 |
| 23:19:41 | amiconn | It's not really our bug - it's a bug in the imported fonts |
| 23:20:08 | amiconn | We could drop them, if we deem the remaining fonts enough |
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| 23:22:44 | Llorean | Well, it's not like we haven't modified fonts before (adding characters and such). |
| 23:22:54 | amiconn | The more interesting question is why X has them this way... |
| 23:23:09 | Llorean | Maybe x handles that better than we do? |
| 23:23:36 | Llorean | Do they have the same sort of graphical glitches when used elsewhere, or is it something to do with how we render them? |
| 23:23:49 | amiconn | 'better' in what way? These are bitmap fonts, and some glyphs don't fit the bounding box |
| 23:25:15 | Llorean | But from the screenshots it looks like we don't simply clip them at the bounding box edge. |
| 23:27:51 | amiconn | There might be a bug in convbdf then. |
| 23:28:31 | * | amiconn doesn't fully understand those screenshots |
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| 23:31:28 | amiconn | Imo convbdf should simply clip if a character exceeds the bounding box |
| 23:32:13 | amiconn | Changing the actual font heights might be problematic if themes use them, and if we adjust for individual characters, adding characters may change the font height |
| 23:32:58 | amiconn | It may print a warning, but it certainly shouldn't stop |
| 23:34:47 | amiconn | For some fonts we could change the height if the clipping is too heavy, but only if those fonts aren't used in themes yet. |
| 23:35:24 | Llorean | Okay, I'm confused. What are the font ascent and descent exactly? Is that something of ours? |
| 23:36:08 | amiconn | No, those values come from the BDF. Ascent is the size above the font's base line, descent is the size below it |
| 23:36:33 | amiconn | The font height is the sum of both, and rockbox doesn't care about the baseline, only about the total height |
| 23:36:49 | Llorean | Hm, I need to find something else to read then, the doc I was reading about BDF didn't mention it. |
| 23:37:36 | amiconn | Actually those measured are used in other font formats as well |
| 23:37:57 | Llorean | That's what I'd assumed they were, I was just looking for a specific description of them in regard to BDF. |
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| 23:38:46 | Llorean | What I'm reading now says "ascent" and "descent" are used for spacing, not bounding. |
| 23:38:50 | amiconn | I think the proper way of handling those things in a more sophisticated font rendering engine would be to make such glyphs actually overlap the previous/next line, but rockbox has no provision for that |
| 23:39:04 | Llorean | it sounds like a character can extend outside of the ascent/descent. |
| 23:39:19 | Llorean | Doesn't BDF also define a bounding box? |
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| 23:40:18 | Llorean | amiconn: So we should clip those glyphs now (fixing whatever bug causes them to wrap or whatever it is that's shown in the _1 images) and suggest that the proper fix is allowing the glyphs to overlap? |
| 23:41:54 | amiconn | Allowing the glyphs to overlap would introduce a ton of problems wrt viewports, scrolling text etc. What height should a viewport for a single line of text have? |
| 23:42:23 | Llorean | Viewports can be less height than a line of text, currently. |
| 23:42:29 | Llorean | I don't see a problem with it, they handle their own clipping. |
| 23:42:44 | amiconn | How does text scroll when it overlaps other lines? |
| 23:42:44 | fml | amiconn: yes, clipping might be the best we can do. Each glyph is a mini viewport! |
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| 23:43:40 | fml | amiconn: I suppose a remnant would stay on the previous line |
| 23:44:10 | fml | IIUC, now the whole rendering in RB assumes that lines do not overlap |
| 23:44:14 | Llorean | So maybe it's just not worth allowing overlap. |
| 23:44:36 | Llorean | Since even if we did, it'd basically be restricted to nonscrolling lines. |
| 23:44:50 | amiconn | fml: Yes it does, and it also assumes that glyphs don't overlap |
| 23:45:03 | amiconn | This is why combining marks don't work |
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| 23:46:38 | fml | amiconn: ok. So would you agree with clipping and printing a warning? Would they be catched by the build script? |
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