| 00:00:09 | bluebrother | pixelma: simply "Danke"? |
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| 00:01:15 | pixelma | hmm, another possibility |
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| 00:04:15 | Bagder | rasher: mispel setup now on your build host? |
| 00:04:20 | Bagder | mipsel even |
| 00:04:25 | rasher | Oh right, yes |
| 00:04:46 | Bagder | 5 hosts so far |
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| 00:09:11 | MTee | linuxstb : ping |
| 00:15:34 | Conic | Quick question, what's the best device that Rockbox works with that doesn't have a touchwheel, only buttons? |
| 00:15:57 | n1s | Conic: see the BuyersGuide page in the wiki |
| 00:16:05 | Conic | Ah, thanks. |
| 00:16:25 | * | Bagder does the drumroll to ease the tension waiting for this build round to finish |
| 00:18:20 | * | bluebrother wonders why a new #ifdef in settings.h is required if the build system is building just fine |
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| 00:18:55 | Conic | Hah, it doesn't say anything about scroll wheels. |
| 00:19:07 | Conic | I guess I'll do my own research then. |
| 00:19:19 | JdGordon| | anything except the ipods or sansa e200's |
| 00:19:39 | JdGordon| | whats best isnt really useful because not all of them will still be easily avilable |
| 00:20:05 | pixelma | the h10 has a touch strip and the M:Robe100 a kind of touch pad |
| 00:20:25 | Conic | The iRiver h300 looks good |
| 00:20:28 | * | n1s wonders why the manual entry for "Interpret numbers when sorting" does not mention that it changes the way files with spaces in their names are sorted, it's not exactly clear from the name... |
| 00:20:50 | * | Conic enters 11 in configure |
| 00:20:56 | bluebrother | n1s: because some people just discovered that? ;-) |
| 00:21:34 | Conic | I'm going to try to port a simulator to the iPhone. |
| 00:22:00 | JdGordon| | then you proabbly really want the onda or mr500 which expect a touchscreen |
| 00:22:35 | Conic | Oh, cool |
| 00:22:39 | Conic | That makes it even easier |
| 00:22:51 | Conic | I didn't know there was a touchscreen player that worked with Rockbox. |
| 00:22:52 | JdGordon| | except dunno how well it is expected to work at the moment |
| 00:23:10 | JdGordon| | both are not supported fully yet |
| 00:23:17 | Conic | I've been dying to use Rockbox again after my Nano died a while ago. :) |
| 00:23:27 | n1s | bluebrother: surely it should have been documented if it was an intended feature all along? |
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| 00:23:43 | obo | Bagder: mips was already on mine (along with the other 3) |
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| 00:23:56 | Bagder | great |
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| 00:24:28 | n1s | Bagder: should i add the mipsel toolchain on my host too? |
| 00:24:34 | bluebrother | n1s: well ... |
| 00:24:41 | Bagder | n1s: please do! |
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| 00:26:45 | n1s | bluebrother: it just seems like a surprise to me that this setting changes more than the number sorting |
| 00:27:06 | rasher | Bagder: What are we waiting for? |
| 00:27:14 | Bagder | n1s: agreed, but it turns out it is mostly a documentation error |
| 00:27:25 | Bagder | rasher: something is fishy |
| 00:27:33 | bluebrother | n1s: I didn't expect it to do more than that either. But it seems some(tm) people have different expectations of that and don't consider others having expectations differing from theirs |
| 00:28:03 | rasher | bluebrother: The name was poorly chosen in hindsight. |
| 00:28:14 | advcomp2019 | Conic, if you want a cheap player, i will say the sansas might be good if you can get a pp sansas unless you want to wait for ams sansas |
| 00:28:40 | Conic | I'm not buying it. |
| 00:28:54 | Conic | I'm porting a simulator to my iPod touch |
| 00:28:57 | advcomp2019 | o ok |
| 00:29:05 | pixelma | build hanging? |
| 00:29:07 | Conic | Or trying. I may not get very far. :P |
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| 00:31:00 | pixelma | what's the touch's screen resolution - 320x240? |
| 00:31:09 | Conic | Hmm. |
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| 00:31:21 | Conic | Not sure, I think it has a 4xx somewhere in it |
| 00:31:48 | Conic | Ah, 480x320 |
| 00:31:53 | Bagder | 480x320 |
| 00:31:59 | * | Bagder was too slow |
| 00:32:14 | Conic | So, anyone have an Onda? |
| 00:32:21 | Conic | Wait, never mind |
| 00:33:25 | Conic | Huh, do these guys even have a websire? |
| 00:33:28 | Conic | *website |
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| 00:33:51 | Bagder | in chinese, sure! ;-) |
| 00:33:51 | mcuelenaere | Conic: I do |
| 00:33:55 | kugel | hm, what happened to the build table? :S |
| 00:34:27 | Conic | What Onda has the closest screen size to 480x320? |
| 00:34:44 | mcuelenaere | I think almost all of them |
| 00:34:47 | mcuelenaere | they have 400x320 |
| 00:34:53 | Conic | Oh, that's good |
| 00:35:02 | mcuelenaere | I'm not sure what the VX767 has |
| 00:35:16 | Conic | I'm building the 474+ |
| 00:35:24 | mcuelenaere | but the VX747, VX747+, VX777 (and probably VX757 and older VX9xxx) have 400x320 |
| 00:35:36 | Conic | Gah, build errors |
| 00:35:40 | mcuelenaere | Conic: the simulator? |
| 00:35:43 | Conic | Yes. |
| 00:35:52 | mcuelenaere | I just committed it, so you'll need to do 'svn up' |
| 00:35:57 | Conic | Okay |
| 00:36:06 | Conic | Gah |
| 00:36:21 | mcuelenaere | oh wait, it probably won't work for the vx747+ |
| 00:36:26 | Conic | I'm trying to get the iPhone toolchain set up in the same Cygwin install |
| 00:36:34 | Conic | It downgraded Subversion. |
| 00:36:45 | mcuelenaere | try the vx747 (the vx747+ doesn't have simulator setup yet) |
| 00:36:49 | mcuelenaere | s/setup/set up/ |
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| 00:40:25 | rasher | Bagder: oh dear |
| 00:40:36 | mcuelenaere | VX747+ simulator is now in SVN too |
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| 00:44:13 | Bagder | hm, my acbuild.pl script is missing now... |
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| 00:45:59 | Bagder | and so are other ones |
| 00:46:03 | Bagder | crap |
| 00:46:14 | gewuerzwiesel | hi, where is it recommended to store the music-directories on the sd card? directely to the root dir, or in a dir called "MUSIC" or so? |
| 00:46:22 | n1s | Bagder: ok, rockboxdev.sh worked as well as ever and the path is added to acbuild.pl so everything should be fine |
| 00:46:36 | rasher | Bagder: Mine's still here.. |
| 00:46:42 | n1s | gewuerzwiesel: it doesn't really matter |
| 00:46:49 | gewuerzwiesel | n1s: ok, thx |
| 00:47:15 | gewuerzwiesel | I had the problem, that after updating the database there were every track about 10 times in the list.. |
| 00:47:29 | Bagder | n1s: great |
| 00:47:34 | mcuelenaere | gewuerzwiesel: preferably not in .rockbox/, but otherwise it doesn't care where you store your music |
| 00:48:12 | gewuerzwiesel | mcuelenaere: ok, so..that "music" ... structure is the orig.firmware's layout? |
| 00:48:29 | mcuelenaere | gewuerzwiesel: probably yes, what device is this? |
| 00:48:46 | gewuerzwiesel | oh sorry.. :) it's an sandisk sansa e250 |
| 00:49:38 | mcuelenaere | I'm not familiar with the Sansa's, but if the folders keep re-appearing when you delete them, then probably the original firmware creates them |
| 00:49:52 | amiconn | Bagder: Wth, acbuild.pl is gone?? |
| 00:49:59 | gewuerzwiesel | yes, I think so |
| 00:50:13 | pixelma | gewuerzwiesel: yes, and the Sansa's original firmware also sets this directory to hidden (and so it won't be visible in Rockbox with default settings) |
| 00:50:18 | Bagder | amiconn: something with the mipsel stuff clearly |
| 00:50:33 | amiconn | Well, I have no copy to replace it... |
| 00:50:45 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/acbuild.txt is a start |
| 00:52:29 | * | rasher suspects line 17 |
| 00:53:05 | Bagder | yes |
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| 00:53:24 | Bagder | I did a mistake in the config file so I added a non-existing target |
| 00:53:26 | amiconn | Bagder: Your path is wrong (apart from that I have a different base path |
| 00:53:43 | Bagder | oh right |
| 00:53:50 | amiconn | Your mipsel path has an extraneous 'bin' component |
| 00:53:52 | gewuerzwiesel | ok, so I freshly installed 3.1 now...now the database is building |
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| 00:54:42 | plutonian | out of curiosty, are bitwise operations on the ipod's architecture faster than addition operations? |
| 00:54:47 | gewuerzwiesel | ok, that looks better now :) every track is there just one time :) fine |
| 00:55:15 | mcuelenaere | plutonian: AFAIK those are faster on all architectures |
| 00:55:53 | amiconn | add/sub and bit manipulation are the same speed on all target architectures (single cycle when reg-to-reg) |
| 00:55:58 | n1s | additions are typically cheap though |
| 00:56:24 | * | mcuelenaere was wrong then |
| 00:56:51 | * | Bagder sighs and restarts the script |
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| 00:57:01 | amiconn | Actually I can know for sh, coldfire and arm. Not sure abozt mips |
| 00:57:06 | plutonian | So basically the idea that bitwise operations are fast has no relevance to any modern computers |
| 00:57:16 | amiconn | Bagder: How to fix line 17? |
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| 00:57:31 | Bagder | line 17 is fine as long as I do the right thing in my end |
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| 00:58:04 | * | amiconn makes that file mode 0555 |
| 00:58:51 | mcuelenaere | plutonian: bitwise shifting should be faster than multiplying (but you can only do this for powers of 2) |
| 00:58:58 | n1s | plutonian: that depends on what you do and what you compare to |
| 00:59:38 | n1s | and the cpus in our daps are not very related to modern computers |
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| 00:59:57 | plutonian | but they're still computers |
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| 01:00:00 | plutonian | and modern |
| 01:01:32 | n1s | ok, so what is it that tou are asking? |
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| 01:03:12 | plutonian | I read that addition and bitwise operations are now equal in speed |
| 01:03:26 | plutonian | I wondered if this was true for daps as well |
| 01:03:31 | plutonian | apparently, it is |
| 01:04:18 | n1s | yes, that is a property of many cpus this does not mean that all cpus behave the same in different areas |
| 01:06:49 | amiconn | It's not only a feature of modern CPUs. Even the Z80 needs the same cycle count for bit manipulation and add/sub |
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| 01:16:28 | Bagder | 97 builds in 601 seconds |
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| 01:31:50 | Bagder | hm, just making the source archive takes 214 seconds on the build master |
| 01:31:56 | saratogahome | Bagder: I'm building the mips compiler now |
| 01:32:15 | saratogahome | also, i installed the coldfire compiler a while ago, i'm not sure if i need to tell you that or not |
| 01:32:35 | Bagder | you did tell me |
| 01:32:47 | saratogahome | probably not |
| 01:33:32 | Bagder | well I have your server marked for m68k builds anyway ;-) |
| 01:33:55 | * | kugel wonders if a build server that isn't alway available would be useful |
| 01:34:55 | Bagder | kugel: sure, at least if it is running often enough to contribute |
| 01:35:40 | kugel | I'm not too sure about that ;) |
| 01:35:46 | Bagder | haha |
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| 01:38:22 | saratogahome | Bagder: ok done compiling |
| 01:39:20 | Bagder | ok, your server is now marked for mipsel builds too |
| 01:39:38 | saratogahome | a lot of the mips warnings seem trivial to fix |
| 01:39:43 | saratogahome | anyone object to me doing it? |
| 01:40:20 | * | Bagder certainly doesn't |
| 01:40:44 | kugel | the other problem is my changing ip |
| 01:41:10 | saratogahome | theres dns services you can use for free |
| 01:41:28 | kugel | yea, I use that already |
| 01:41:33 | rasher | Bagder: isn't "often enough to contribute" just codeword for "more than 0"? |
| 01:41:49 | * | kugel remembers rasher having slight problems with ddns |
| 01:42:00 | rasher | kugel: Not at all |
| 01:42:16 | rasher | Half the build servers are on some ddns service |
| 01:43:06 | Bagder | rasher: well, unless you just boot the machine to "nick" a build and then you shut it down again or similar |
| 01:43:59 | rasher | That's could happen in a number of ways anyway. But yeah, if your usual uptime is less than 30 minutes it's probably not a good idea |
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| 01:45:46 | funman | hello |
| 01:45:52 | Bagder | crap, my mess |
| 01:46:05 | Bagder | (the red) |
| 01:46:10 | funman | gevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/SansaAMS?rev1=66;rev2=65 < I looked at the linux source code and it doesn't seem to match the USB registers of AS3525 SoC ? |
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| 01:51:16 | Bagder | amiconn: your new countdown.js is now in use |
| 01:51:40 | saratogahome | actually i wonder if we can just disable the warning for bitwise operations and parenthesis |
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| 02:04:33 | saratogahome | anyone object to -Wno-parentheses to bring MIPS inline with the other targets? |
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| 02:47:48 | kugel | saratogahome: hehe, adding the paranthesis was cleaner :p |
| 02:48:03 | kugel | I think our other compilers do warn on those |
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| 02:48:43 | saratogahome | kugel: the other compilers don't warn on those |
| 02:49:04 | kugel | are you sure? I got those warnings just today. amiconn recently too |
| 02:49:15 | saratogahome | a lot of them were in the codecs |
| 02:50:37 | kugel | saratogahome: I don't see any -Wno-parentheses for the other compiler |
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| 02:51:18 | saratogahome | kugel: its not apart of -Wall for older gcc versions |
| 02:51:40 | kugel | I see |
| 02:51:50 | kugel | but I definitely had those warnings |
| 02:52:02 | kugel | maybe 4.1.x is more sensitive about them |
| 02:52:10 | saratogahome | for targets or sims? |
| 02:52:44 | kugel | good question. I had it in a sim today. But IIRC amiconn had them in a normal build (they appeared on the build server) |
| 02:53:44 | saratogahome | hmm build system is backed up |
| 02:53:58 | saratogahome | i'm not sure then |
| 02:54:04 | saratogahome | IMO disabling them makes the most sense |
| 02:54:17 | saratogahome | i'd rather not dig through codecs just to satisfy silly warnings |
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| 03:05:52 | jhulst | Bagder: I saw your mail about the build server and just finished setting mine up at jhulst.com... |
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| 03:06:49 | LynuxDevil | what is the deal with the iPod Nano 4G signed firmware? |
| 03:06:59 | saratogahome | it doesn't run rockbox |
| 03:07:10 | saratogahome | is anyone around with a MIPS target? |
| 03:07:21 | LynuxDevil | I know that |
| 03:07:45 | LynuxDevil | what encryption does it use? nobody knows? |
| 03:08:32 | LynuxDevil | or is that confidential? |
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| 03:09:01 | saratogahome | I don't think anyone knows for sure |
| 03:09:04 | LynuxDevil | ok then, please tell me this, if you can |
| 03:09:36 | LynuxDevil | can I create a new partition on the iPod and use it to put a LiveUSB of Linux onto it? |
| 03:10:01 | Llorean | LynuxDevil: That really has nothing to do with Rockbox. |
| 03:10:04 | LynuxDevil | also, does this iPod support GPT (GUID) partition tables? |
| 03:10:15 | LynuxDevil | Llorean, well, I don't think anybody else would know |
| 03:10:33 | saratogahome | and we don't either |
| 03:10:34 | Llorean | LynuxDevil: That doesn't make this the right place to ask. Especially since we clearly state where to take off-topic questions in our channel topic. |
| 03:10:35 | LynuxDevil | this channel might know the answers |
| 03:10:44 | LynuxDevil | oh |
| 03:10:46 | LynuxDevil | ok |
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| 03:11:42 | saratogahome | think anyone will get mad at me for blind adding MIPS asm opt to libmad? |
| 03:12:04 | krazykit` | probably not unless it cocks something up :) |
| 03:12:06 | Llorean | We don't have any MIPS supported targets yet, so if you break something, it's not so bad. |
| 03:12:31 | saratogahome | wiki says sound doesn't work, so theres probably no harm in it |
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| 03:29:55 | saratogahome | Bagder: [for the logs] watching the build process it seems to use relatively little CPU time on my quad processor system |
| 03:30:15 | saratogahome | perhaps an easy way to speed up the build system would be to hand out pairs of build jobs and run them in parallel |
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| 03:46:05 | kugel | saratogahome: I don't think that makes it much faster, clients can build with -j already |
| 03:46:26 | saratogahome | kugel: yeah but a lot of the time is still spent waiting on disk, network and svn |
| 03:47:05 | kugel | are you running with -j? |
| 03:47:11 | saratogahome | yeah |
| 03:48:25 | kugel | which client are you? |
| 03:48:41 | saratogahome | femlab |
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| 03:49:34 | kugel | hm, rank 2, not bad :p |
| 03:50:16 | kugel | giving paralell builds would also allow doing the next build, while the old .zip is still uploading? |
| 03:51:09 | saratogahome | i don't see why it couldn't just create two build dirs, and run them fully in parallel |
| 03:59:18 | kugel | saratogahome: funman is receving a (your?) fuze? |
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| 04:07:09 | saratogahome | kugel: yeah i sent it a week ago |
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| 04:20:44 | kugel | saratogahome: somehow, your commits freed 30k ram usage on some devices |
| 04:21:23 | kugel | or was that the DM320 commit? |
| 04:21:30 | saratogahome | kugel: the dm320 |
| 04:21:42 | saratogahome | the build system was backed up so our commits got merged into one common build |
| 04:21:45 | kugel | oh, I didn't know the creatives have that too |
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| 06:28:59 | __BradC | saratoga, watching the build process, it appears that building the dependencies is what takes the most wall clock time, and that appears to be quite a bottleneck. Perhaps there is a way to streamline that somehow to speed up the builds |
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| 08:10:19 | lostlogic | I think that building with #undef HAVE_TAGCACHE is broken again :( |
| 08:10:34 | lostlogic | something about the new LANG_SORT_INTERPRET_* stuff |
| 08:11:55 | JdGordon | sif not use the db :p |
| 08:12:03 | JdGordon | anyone know if the archos rec charges over usb? |
| 08:12:14 | lostlogic | "sif"? |
| 08:12:21 | JdGordon | as if... |
| 08:12:22 | scorche | JdGordon: it doesnt |
| 08:12:27 | JdGordon | nuts |
| 08:13:12 | scorche | lostlogic: i actually might have some time this weeke to have a look at that =P |
| 08:13:25 | lostlogic | haha, I'm trying to figure it out ATM |
| 08:13:35 | lostlogic | I do still know how to code, you know :-P |
| 08:13:44 | * | scorche wants aware |
| 08:13:48 | scorche | s/wants wasnt |
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| 08:17:11 | lostlogic | 'course ATM, I don't see what they would have to do with each other at all, so maybe I'm wrong... but that's the only thing "special" about my config |
| 08:19:03 | lostlogic | /home/lostlogic/rockbox/apps/settings_list.c:796: error: 'LANG_SORT_INTERPRET_NUMBERS' undeclared here (not in a function) |
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| 08:58:58 | draft | how do i reboot iPod Mini? |
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| 09:01:05 | scorche|sh | as in a hard or soft reboot?...as a note, this sort of thing is covered in the manual.. |
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| 09:06:58 | Zagor | hmm? cat: /tmp/rbdev-build/summary-*: No such file or directory |
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| 09:07:45 | Zagor | Bagder: lillebror and lillebror2 are now mipsel ready |
| 09:08:47 | draft | scorche|sh: i mean normal iPod firmware |
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| 09:10:34 | draft | how do i reboot original iPod Mini with original firmware? |
| 09:13:21 | Bagderr | Zagor: nice |
| 09:13:32 | The-Compiler | draft: hold Menu and Select for some secs |
| 09:13:33 | Bagderr | Zagor: I noticed that summary thing too, we should fix... |
| 09:14:21 | Bagderr | now 12 build servers are mipsel-ready |
| 09:14:22 | draft | The-Compiler: it doesn't seem to reboot |
| 09:14:43 | The-Compiler | is hold on? |
| 09:15:38 | draft | ok |
| 09:15:40 | draft | it booted |
| 09:15:44 | draft | thanks mates |
| 09:15:55 | Bagderr | build server coverage: sh 26, arm 28, m68k 28, mipsel 12, sdl 23 |
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| 09:26:56 | scorche | I have added a few things here...any opinions? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GSoCApplicationTemplate2009 |
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| 09:34:44 | MTee | linuxstb : ping |
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| 09:36:36 | linuxstb | MTee: Hi. |
| 09:38:41 | MTee | linuxstb : Hello ! Yesterday I was able to write the audio data to an output file, the sample was mp3 in rm container, but it sounded crappy when I played it, could this be due to the encryption you told me about ? |
| 09:40:43 | linuxstb | I'm not sure - maybe that "encryption" was just with Cook streams. If there was the xor'ing going on, I would expect the audio to be unrecognisable. |
| 09:41:25 | amiconn | Zagor: I observed a few quirks in the build system: (1) Why is rbspeexenc relinked everytime when building voices? (2) Why is rbspeexenc checked at all when building hwcodec voices? |
| 09:42:16 | Zagor | as I recall the voice building is still an "old style" build, i.e. without full dependencies |
| 09:42:47 | amiconn | rbspeexenc is in tools/ |
| 09:43:03 | MTee | weird things happen during playback, besides the audio being unrecognizable (there is sound, but gibberish), the duration of playback keeps changing, and it stops after about 8 seconds |
| 09:44:35 | amiconn | I'm not referring to the fact that 'make voice' always starts make in rbspeexenc, but the latter relinks every time, even if rbspeexenc is up to date. |
| 09:45:27 | Zagor | yes, it does that if the target does not have full dependencies |
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| 09:49:18 | linuxstb | MTee: What are you using to play the mp3 file? "madplay" (with the -v option) can display information about the errors. |
| 09:50:23 | MTee | ok will try that |
| 09:50:41 | linuxstb | MTee: Or (armed with a copy of the description of the mpeg audio frame header), look at it in a hex editor and try and see if anything is wrong (i.e. packets truncated, or extra data inserted between packets) |
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| 09:52:37 | MTee | linuxstb : if madplay fails to report errors, I'll try the other option. |
| 09:52:48 | linuxstb | MTee: What test file are you using? It it one from the mplayer collection of audio samples? |
| 09:53:04 | linuxstb | I'm sure madplay will report errors, but I don't know how helpful those errors will be... |
| 09:54:05 | MTee | linuxstb : yes, the one from mplayer collection, it's "I want candy" |
| 09:56:08 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm just looking at that now ( http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/real/mp3_in_rm ) - the readme talks about "mp3 data in adu format". I've no idea what that means... |
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| 09:57:36 | linuxstb | Apparently it's rfc3119 - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3119.txt |
| 09:59:26 | linuxstb | So it seems it's not just an mp3 stream in a realmedia container - it reorganises the actual mpeg audio data... |
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| 10:02:12 | MTee | but if a player is able to play the rm one it should be able to play the output audio data no matter what, correct ? |
| 10:03:11 | linuxstb | Not necessarily. It may only support it when it's inside the rm container. |
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| 10:06:53 | linuxstb | Maybe it's worth trying a different format to mp3 - e.g. AAC: http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/real/AC-raac/ |
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| 10:07:52 | MTee | linuxstb : here's the output of madplay http://pastebin.com/m1716ad9f |
| 10:08:16 | MTee | ok will try that |
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| 10:10:29 | linuxstb | I've just tried "mplayer -dumpaudio iwantcandy.mp3.rm" and then "madplay -v stream.dump", and get identical output to your pastebin. So it seems your demuxing is correct. |
| 10:11:10 | * | MTee is happy |
| 10:11:16 | linuxstb | I tried the same with one of the aac files (using mplayer to play stream.dump), and it won't play it... So it seems there is always something extra going on... |
| 10:12:24 | linuxstb | So I'm not sure what I would do next. Maybe start actually extracting one of the Real codecs from ffmpeg, and extending your demuxer to actually decode the audio, and write a WAV file. |
| 10:13:46 | MTee | I thought I should do that. I believe cook is the one I should try ? |
| 10:14:39 | linuxstb | I think that's the most useful, yes. Although I think it's still floating-point only, so there will be work needed to convert it to fixed-point before it will work in Rockbox. But the first step will just be a simple standalone C program that converts Cook to WAV. |
| 10:16:43 | linuxstb | MTee: One thing you can do is to compare the output of your demuxer with "mplayer -dumpstream", to see if it is in fact identical. |
| 10:20:35 | MTee | Ok. one final question : what are the chances of continuing this as a SoC project ? |
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| 10:22:45 | linuxstb | I've no idea - Rockbox hasn't even been accepted for SoC 2009 yet... |
| 10:22:48 | n1s | i think extended codec support is always a good thing so i would give it a fairly high chance |
| 10:23:12 | gevaerts | We haven't even *applied* yet (although we plan to) |
| 10:23:29 | n1s | (provided that we are accepted as a mentoring org, etc.. what they said ^ ;)) |
| 10:23:29 | linuxstb | But it will depend on the quality of the other students, and what the other projects are. |
| 10:24:11 | linuxstb | But the fact that you've been around before the start of SoC and have been making progress on the project is a good thing. |
| 10:25:18 | linuxstb | But the nice thing about realaudio is that it supports many codecs - so there will be lots of potential work, even if you manage to get Cook working before the summer. |
| 10:25:41 | linuxstb | (but I doubt you will get a fully optimised fixed-point Cook decoder working before the start of SoC) |
| 10:27:08 | linuxstb | MTee: BTW, do you own any Rockbox devices yet? |
| 10:27:29 | MTee | yeah, me too. I'm supposed to study A LOT for school :) |
| 10:27:57 | MTee | oh yes, I have owned it for about 2 years |
| 10:28:06 | linuxstb | Getting to the stage of a standalone C decoder using floating-point would be a nice basis for a port to Rockbox though. |
| 10:28:41 | linuxstb | i.e. it proves you're capable of doing something, and makes the actual project much easier. |
| 10:29:22 | * | linuxstb is reminded that we need to think of qualification tasks for this year's SoC, assuming we want them... |
| 10:29:47 | MTee | ok, I'll try working on it as much as I can |
| 10:30:00 | * | scorche has started up #rockbox-gsoc again...those who can, try and join? |
| 10:30:22 | n1s | linuxstb: what did they do last year? write and compile a simple plugin or something? |
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| 10:30:49 | linuxstb | n1s: I can't remember. Yes, I think one task was a .xpm viewer or something like that. |
| 10:30:58 | linuxstb | (i.e. a very simple bitmap format) |
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| 10:37:33 | MTee | About the Arabic translation , it would be really hard to find translations for some of the technical terms (e.g : PCM wave). Also strings which are composed of numbers only should not be counted as missing strings in the translation. |
| 10:38:43 | * | linuxstb refers the above question to rasher... |
| 10:39:40 | n1s | MTee: if technical terms are not commonly translated, it is probably best to leave them as english |
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| 10:41:25 | B4gder | gevaerts: did you spot funman's comment from tonight on the usb? |
| 10:41:31 | B4gder | on as3525 |
| 10:42:03 | linuxstb | Hmm, bad news then? |
| 10:42:22 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20090310#01:46:10 |
| 10:45:10 | gevaerts | B4gder: I saw it. I'd like to see what differences he found before drawing conclusions though |
| 10:45:21 | B4gder | yeah me too |
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| 11:04:02 | rasher | MTee: It's up to the person doing the translation really. Some translations leave these as-is, other (at least Danish) try to use native terms, even when they aren't very quite as commonly used. |
| 11:06:12 | rasher | I don't think it's something there needs to be a common Rockbox policy on. |
| 11:08:22 | MTee | rasher : ok. what about numerical strings being counted as missing in the translation ? (e.g : 19200 in Arabic would still be 19200) |
| 11:10:12 | rasher | MTee: Just "translate" them by not doing anything |
| 11:10:37 | rasher | MTee: The tool doesn't do anything to notice that they're numbers |
| 11:13:14 | pixelma | isn't there a difference (different characters) in east arabian and west arabian digits? |
| 11:16:55 | MTee | pixelma : unless you mean Iran by east arabian, then no there's no difference. |
| 11:17:17 | MTee | Iranian digits looks a lot like arabic |
| 11:17:28 | pixelma | no, I remember different digits in Egypt |
| 11:18:02 | MTee | I'm Egyptian :) |
| 11:18:16 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 11:18:51 | MTee | anyway I have to go now |
| 11:19:02 | * | pixelma guesses a misunderstanding |
| 11:19:30 | pixelma | but it's not really important, in case it's needed another lang can easily be added |
| 11:20:08 | B4gder | I hear tuxpaint has 80 languages, we need to step up a notch! |
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| 11:29:25 | B4gder | 15 build servers now grok mips |
| 11:30:17 | B4gder | with only 2 mips builds I think we're pretty well covered already ;-) |
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| 12:02:58 | MTee | pixelma : There's a very old debate about the origin of arabic digits, some people say that latin numbers are the original arabic digits,others say it's hindi numbers that are so. You could actually find formal arabic documents with latin numbers and others with hindi. but hindi is the wide-spread one that most of the people believe it's actually arabic. That's what I think would be close to... |
| 12:03:00 | MTee | ...what you're saying |
| 12:07:48 | rasher | MTee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_alphabet#Numerals |
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| 12:11:02 | MTee | rasher : the first two columns is what I'm talking about, both are used, but the middle one (Egypt/Mideast) is the one used the most. the right-most column (Urdu/Persian) is not used in arabic-speaking countries |
| 12:14:58 | MTee | from wikipedia : "..Eastern Arabic numerals (used in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India) ". Arabic countries are 22 which do not include those 4, the article is a bit inaccurate. |
| 12:18:31 | rasher | I'm not really fussed, use whichever numerals seems most natural to you, and we'll see if anyone complains and take it from there |
| 12:19:35 | MTee | alright |
| 12:27:58 | pixelma | MTee: I meant the difference between the first two (as a European the first is what I think of as arabic - and how I read your remark about the bitrate number). I though in some arabic countries it's also common to use those, not the middle one as it seems to be typical for Egypt. But as I said it's not that important |
| 12:29:23 | MTee | I see |
| 12:31:31 | MTee | in recording settings, what is AGC short for ? |
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| 12:34:48 | pixelma | automatic gain control |
| 12:35:34 | MTee | thanks |
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| 12:47:37 | MTee | <All tracks> when translated would mean either <All files> or <All songs> which is better ? |
| 12:48:45 | linuxstb | I would say "files" |
| 12:51:39 | pixelma | I would expect "songs" as <All tracks> is currently used in the database browser and the database currently only indexes music files. Hmm, thinking about audio books though... |
| 12:52:05 | linuxstb | Plus classical music |
| 12:52:50 | linuxstb | Or even any kind of instrumental music. |
| 12:54:03 | MTee | "files" it is. |
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| 13:23:20 | cuser | hi all |
| 13:23:38 | cuser | is this player compatible with rockbox? http://www.elv.de/output/controller.aspx?cid=74&detail=10&detail2=23857 |
| 13:24:04 | linuxstb | Only the pages listed at the top of http://www.rockbox.org are compatible |
| 13:24:11 | linuxstb | I meant players listed |
| 13:24:43 | gevaerts | There's work going on for the clip, but it's not done yet, and it's not ready enough to be generally usable |
| 13:25:29 | cuser | hmm ok |
| 13:25:36 | cuser | thx for the answer |
| 13:25:49 | pixelma | isn't it even a "v2" Clip? I'm a bit lost in Sandisk's versions but it looks a bit unusual |
| 13:25:50 | cuser | how long do you thing it takes you to get it running on the sansa? |
| 13:26:03 | B4gder | pixelma: there is, yes |
| 13:27:51 | cuser | linuxstb: you are right with the list, but i didn't know if (Sansa c200, e200 and e200R series) is probably a sansa clip... that's why i asked |
| 13:27:53 | pixelma | I mean the one in his link |
| 13:28:47 | cuser | pixelma: so you are developing the rockbox for the "v1" of the sansa clip, right? |
| 13:30:42 | pixelma | some people are (I'm not) and I don't know how big the difference between the v1 and v2 Clips is, so whether the v2s of it would be a completely new port or not |
| 13:31:31 | pixelma | about the how long: noone can tell |
| 13:32:14 | robin0800 | any one having problems with rockbox usb on linux? |
| 13:34:23 | cuser | pixelma: thank you for your help. bye! |
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| 13:42:38 | gevaerts | robin0800: not me anyway |
| 13:42:44 | linuxstb | robin0800: Someone reported Rockbox USB problems (with an e200) on all operating systems - transfers basically doesn't work for him... |
| 13:43:30 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Did you see that Martyn said that he got the problems on Linux as well - so it doesn't work on all three OSes, which he was running on 3 different computers. He also said he tried two different cables... |
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| 13:50:51 | robin0800 | linuxstb: can't get jaunty alpha 5 to see c240 but quite happy with the OF usb wonder what the difference is |
| 13:51:09 | linuxstb | Ah, I think someone else mentioned the alpha Ubuntu was unhappy. |
| 13:51:25 | linuxstb | Or maybe you... |
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| 13:52:23 | robin0800 | linuxstb: the funny thing is it works in kde on alpha5 but not gnome |
| 13:52:52 | * | linuxstb checks the logs and sees it was robin0800 who mentioned this before... ;) |
| 13:54:01 | robin0800 | linuxstb: would like to file a bug but not certain it is a rockbox error |
| 13:55:40 | gevaerts | robin0800: if it works in kde but not gnome, I'm pretty sure it's not a rockbox bug... |
| 13:56:26 | linuxstb | robin0800: So does the disk device (i.e. /dev/sdX) always appear, but only KDE will automount it? |
| 13:57:35 | linuxstb | robin0800: Also, have you used your c240 in MTP mode in Gnome in the past? |
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| 14:01:01 | robin0800 | linuxstb: no only msc |
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| 14:02:41 | robin0800 | linuxstb: dosn't get as far as dev, ill pastbin syslog |
| 14:04:28 | linuxstb | That doesn't make sense to me - I wouldn't think the GUI would affect the presence (or not) of kernel device nodes... |
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| 14:08:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | I need a little info on the GoGear port; tools/configure lists it as HDD1630/HDD1830, but does it also double for the HDD6330? |
| 14:09:15 | B4gder | there was activity on the 6330 with lowlight but I didn't catch the end outcome |
| 14:09:46 | B4gder | there was some minor diff only |
| 14:10:43 | robin0800 | linuxstb: paste bin as promised http://rafb.net/p/va0vn965.html |
| 14:11:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | B4gder: I guess we'll have to pester lowlight later. :) |
| 14:11:24 | B4gder | robin0800: normally you'd get more info later on if you dmesg again. I take it nothing further was logged? |
| 14:12:01 | robin0800 | B4gder: correct it just stops there |
| 14:12:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | I was thinking that there would be runtime detection of LCD and touchpad between the 16x0/63x0, since they're mostly the same internally save for LCD and touchpad. |
| 14:12:22 | B4gder | LambdaCalculus37: or grep the irc logs and see what the discussion went like last |
| 14:12:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | B4gder: I'll check out the logs. |
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| 14:13:56 | robin0800 | linuxstb: I was thinking perhaps theres a gnome mount |
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| 14:15:47 | B4gder | "<low_light> toffe82: good. There's a great deal of similarity between the hdd1630 & hdd6330. The lcd controller is different. I have a simple driver if you want to test it." |
| 14:16:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | B4gder: Thanks! |
| 14:16:12 | B4gder | (Feb 05 20:23:01) |
| 14:18:11 | linuxstb | robin0800: Maybe, I've no idea how involved Gnome/KDE get with kernel things nowadays... |
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| 14:22:20 | robin0800 | linuxstb: if it works the next line is....... usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 14:23:33 | B4gder | on my e200 that takes ~5 seconds |
| 14:24:05 | linuxstb | robin0800: This bug report could be relevant - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/335767 |
| 14:24:11 | linuxstb | There's a suggested solution at the very end. |
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| 14:28:29 | pixelma | interesting bug report http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=20752.msg146410#msg146410 |
| 14:30:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Indeed. |
| 14:30:37 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes to find his c250 |
| 14:31:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Can you reproduce that behavior from that forum post? |
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| 14:34:44 | robin0800 | B4gder: tried bug solution don't have the file mentioned so created it it makes no difference |
| 14:35:02 | * | LambdaCalculus37 updates his c250's build |
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| 14:38:56 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: yes, reproducible |
| 14:39:20 | pixelma | I mean that the radio keeps playing |
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| 14:41:02 | pixelma | and when plugging USB from the recording screen the statusbar stays the recording screen one |
| 14:41:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Sorry, had a kernel panic. |
| 14:41:19 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes to see what pixelma said |
| 14:43:23 | pixelma | but it doesn't seem to stay in recording mode (nothing to hear when monitoring and when I unplug USB again, I am put into the menu - only then the statusbar updates fully) |
| 14:43:59 | amiconn | Statusbar updates are still severely bugged |
| 14:44:57 | pixelma | true, saw a nice effect when entering the menu in the "star" plugin yesterday |
| 14:45:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. I notice that when switching from the WPS to the menu, the very top portion of the WPS screen is still drawn on top of the statusbar. |
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| 14:47:00 | pixelma | Really? I know this from before the recent statusbar changes (entering the file browser from the WPS), now the statusbar seems to be redrawn before the rest of the screen |
| 14:47:02 | robin0800 | linuxstb: after about 50 connects and disconects usb is reconised I think its a timing problem |
| 14:48:26 | amiconn | Statusbar isn't redrawn for quite a while when entering the USB screen (most onticeable on non-RTC targets |
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| 14:49:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Happens on RTC targets, too. |
| 14:49:12 | * | LambdaCalculus37 just noticed it right now on his e280 |
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| 14:51:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also on my c250. |
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| 14:53:47 | kugel | Bagder: I think you can add kugel.homedns.org |
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| 15:05:42 | * | robin0800 should every thing be stoped on usb conection ie play fm video etc? |
| 15:06:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | robin0800: I think that's the desired behavior. |
| 15:07:41 | robin0800 | LambdaCalculus37: yes unless new bootloader which connects from off |
| 15:08:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | robin0800: Ahh, thanks for reminding me! |
| 15:08:15 | * | LambdaCalculus37 has to test the new bootloaders |
| 15:09:03 | linuxstb | I thought FM radio continued during USB? (at least I seem to remember my h140 doing that, I could be wrong...) |
| 15:10:37 | robin0800 | linuxstb: not sure what usb stops I asume with new bootloader ethery nthing is off? |
| 15:11:02 | robin0800 | evert thing |
| 15:11:48 | robin0800 | every if i could only spell |
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| 15:12:17 | * | LambdaCalculus37 turns of the Dyslexia Ray so robin0800 can type correctly :) |
| 15:12:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/of/off |
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| 15:19:06 | pixelma | hmm, my Ondio keeps playing radio too when connecting USB. I usually stop everything, so never noticed. |
| 15:19:58 | Big_D | Does everyone use linux with RockBox or are there some windows users? IF so, do you manage your music with the usual file management, or is there a piece of software you use? |
| 15:20:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Big_D: Everyone here uses whatever they feel comfortable with. |
| 15:20:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's no right or wrong way of managing your music. |
| 15:20:57 | pixelma | linuxstb: although I would have thought that with software USB things could be different... |
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| 15:22:49 | Big_D | OK, thanks. I think I will start by giving Amarok a try on a linux box. |
| 15:22:55 | robin0800 | Big_D: sync toy in windows |
| 15:23:23 | pixelma | haha, the radio stops playing after disconnecting my Ondio from USB and I'm back in the main menu |
| 15:23:41 | Big_D | Ah, yes. Sync Toy, I'd forgotten about that one |
| 15:23:58 | Big_D | Thanks Robin0800 |
| 15:24:38 | pixelma | same on the c200 |
| 15:25:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Same on my e200. |
| 15:25:16 | pixelma | at least it's consitent ;) |
| 15:26:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | What about other targets with FM radio? Do the exhibit the same behavior? |
| 15:26:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/the/they |
| 15:26:54 | * | LambdaCalculus37 carnt spel |
| 15:27:03 | pixelma | nor read ;) |
| 15:28:41 | pixelma | the the Ondio is the only other one I can test though |
| 15:29:24 | pyro_maniac | can somebody help me with logf()? i tried to get FS #9253 to work but i have no device where rockbox runs on and i have no more idea to debug it. http://pastebin.com/m402b3625 |
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| 15:34:15 | pyro_maniac | the file was correctly generated but i got no access to it |
| 15:36:26 | kugel | pyro_maniac: you have no device where rockbox runs on? |
| 15:37:21 | pyro_maniac | no, i am currently on porting the Samsung YH 920 |
| 15:37:31 | pyro_maniac | i have no other device yet |
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| 15:40:26 | kugel | pyro_maniac: how are you doing logf then? |
| 15:42:53 | pyro_maniac | i modified a h10 5g build which is partly running on my device. and an that i applied the patch: http://pastebin.com/m402b3625 |
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| 15:51:25 | kugel | pyro_maniac: really? haha |
| 15:51:47 | kugel | what means partly? |
| 15:52:02 | pyro_maniac | the usb stack is functional |
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| 15:52:23 | kugel | but no display or sound or buttons? |
| 15:52:30 | pyro_maniac | no |
| 15:52:57 | pyro_maniac | with some help og gevaerts i got a serial conntection via usb |
| 15:53:35 | pyro_maniac | but on the last tries my system freezed so i found that patch and tried it on my code |
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| 15:54:45 | * | robin0800 could this patch FS #8663 - Data corruption on usb write on sansa (SD driver bugs) be closed now? |
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| 15:57:12 | jaykay | pixelma: am i allowed to discuss with you about "dank" and "dank an"? |
| 15:58:15 | kugel | linuxstb: what happened to FS #9948? |
| 15:58:45 | lostlogic | is it "normal" to still be getting DT_TEXTREL related warnings on sim builds? They go away if I stick -fPIC on my simgcc options... |
| 15:59:04 | pixelma | jaykay: depends ;) |
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| 16:00:09 | jaykay | pixelma: i thought credits is now more or less "eingedeutscht"... if it MUST be really german i would prefer mitwirkende |
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| 16:05:42 | pixelma | hmm, well. First: I don't think everything really must be German but try to avoid Denglisch if I can (and it doesn't sound too unusal or too artificial). Then, "Mitwirkende" could work there too, maybe get some other opinions |
| 16:06:15 | linuxstb | kugel: It needs some work to make similar changes to other lang files (so translators don't get unnecessary conflicts). I haven't had chance to do that yet... |
| 16:07:35 | kugel | pixelma: "Mitwirkende" is way better. I also like "Ehrungungen" (which the translators on the tracker propose) better |
| 16:10:17 | pixelma | "Mitwirkende" yes, but "Ehrungen"? And could people search in the tracker before posting new patches? ;) |
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| 16:10:55 | lostlogic | Bagder: I can't seem to replicate the problems that y'all were having with my build server a while back −− got mipsel compiler setup if you want to put lostlogicx.com in the list (also updated acbuild.pl and cleaned up some messes in rbclient's home dir) |
| 16:10:57 | jaykay | pixelma: it seems you chose an old patch, the translation for the speakers is not in you commit |
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| 16:11:06 | jaykay | *your |
| 16:11:18 | lostlogic | I think we have a build dependency breakage −− logo isn't built early enough under heavy parallel build on my macbook for ipod video simulator |
| 16:11:52 | pixelma | jaykay: yeah, saw that too now |
| 16:12:26 | jaykay | pixelma: and LANG_CREDITS is there two times |
| 16:12:49 | pixelma | meh |
| 16:13:02 | jaykay | and theres a blank line.... and a ===== and >>>>> |
| 16:13:10 | jaykay | should i make a patch? ;) |
| 16:15:30 | pixelma | no, the last things you said are not in SVN (and I am especially sure about the >> thing as I searched in the text file before commit) |
| 16:15:59 | * | jaykay does svn revert -R |
| 16:16:38 | jaykay | sorry, you are right |
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| 16:29:52 | pixelma | hmm, rasher's script catches a weirdness in a english.lang voice string's features as it is different in the german lang file (where it's not that weird). The phrase is deprecated though... |
| 16:30:49 | pixelma | genlang doesn't care |
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| 16:31:38 | rasher | pixelma: manual inspection is always better :) |
| 16:32:21 | amiconn | Zagor: Is there a reason why 'make reconf' rebuids dependencies? It's annoying, especially in a build dir not configured for ordinary builds (e.g. voice) |
| 16:33:09 | pixelma | rasher: I just ask myself what to do with it - I lean towards just keep on ignoring |
| 16:33:11 | amiconn | I have it disabled locally, is there anything that would make this undesirable in svn? |
| 16:33:15 | Zagor | the reason is that a new configure may cause new dependencies (for example if you change from target to sim) |
| 16:34:02 | amiconn | 'reconf' cannot change target or build type though |
| 16:34:45 | Zagor | you're right. looks like a bug then. |
| 16:35:20 | amiconn | I added 'reconf' to the list of goals in line 32 of root.make |
| 16:35:26 | amiconn | I think this is correct? |
| 16:35:39 | Zagor | yes |
| 16:37:07 | pixelma | ok, I try my luck once more and ask about opinions of German speakers about "Mitwirkende", "Ehrungen" maybe still "Dank" as translation of "Credits" |
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| 17:05:41 | Scoth | Hey folks. Got rockbox running nicely on a 5G 60g iPod Video, but I find if I try to hook it up to USB after running a game/app/plugin, I get the "USB Device Not Recognized" error. Works fine after a reboot of the iPod until I load another app. Found a bug on the wiki about it not being recognized at all, but it looked like it was fixed |
| 17:06:34 | linuxstb | That's consistent for every plugin you've tried? Have you tried many? |
| 17:07:04 | Scoth | Every one I've tried so far, from Doom to Pacman to lamp |
| 17:07:26 | Scoth | The iPod itself seems to go into disk mode (I get the picture of the USB plug) and it charges, but Winders doesn't recognize it |
| 17:07:43 | pyro_maniac | kugel: what would be the best way for my code? should i post my patch under FS #9253 on the tracker or should i ask later again? |
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| 17:08:55 | gevaerts | Scoth: which revision are you using? |
| 17:09:30 | Scoth | Lessee... r20205-090304 |
| 17:09:52 | Scoth | Downloaded it a week ago or so, I think |
| 17:12:30 | gevaerts | Scoth: can you try with the current version and if it's still not fixed file a bug report? I'll test later today to see if I can reproduce this |
| 17:13:43 | Scoth | Sure. Might be later before I can get it done, but I'll do it |
| 17:14:28 | gevaerts | The USB code hasn'e changed in any possibly related way since that revision, but plugin code might... |
| 17:15:41 | jaykay | english.lang says "The target names used for target-specific strings are set in the ARCHOS variable in the root Makefile"... |
| 17:15:47 | jaykay | is this outdated? |
| 17:18:29 | jaykay | and in the header of the lang files are some things like "if you find errors, contact me" or last update-date or emails from some translators.... |
| 17:18:34 | jaykay | can they be removed? |
| 17:20:21 | rasher | jaykay: No, ARCHOS is still used. And why do you want to remove those? |
| 17:21:27 | rasher | jaykay: Alright, I take one of those back. ARCHOS should be replaced by MODELNAME |
| 17:21:34 | jaykay | but it says below "The target names used are picked from the configure script and are set in the MODELNAME variable in the root makefile." |
| 17:21:38 | jaykay | sorry |
| 17:22:52 | jaykay | and removing of those "additional information" is just for.... consistency? |
| 17:23:20 | rasher | Consistency with what? Where else would you put that information? |
| 17:23:47 | rasher | The header is there for a reason. |
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| 17:24:25 | jaykay | nowhere, i would delete them. consistency with the other lang files. |
| 17:24:34 | jaykay | but ok, ill leave them there.... |
| 17:24:50 | rasher | Thank you. |
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| 17:29:43 | saratoga | gevaerts: I had three consective hard freezes in rockbox USB mode while copyign files on my Vista box |
| 17:30:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: I had a kernel panic earlier when I was copying something to my c250 in Rockbox USB mode. |
| 17:30:26 | saratoga | the transfer would fail, the the devices would show up as being empty in Windows, and if I unplugged they'd unmount in Windows but rockbox wouldn be completely deadlocked |
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| 17:30:49 | saratoga | I have no issues in XP or LInux though, and the OF works fine on all |
| 17:30:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Same here. |
| 17:31:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Which device did that to you? |
| 17:32:01 | saratoga | e200v1 8GB |
| 17:32:11 | saratoga | i was copying to a 2GB SD card if that matters |
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| 17:32:40 | saratoga | it would typically freeze before it had copied more then 10-15MB |
| 17:33:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think it does, because that's how I had the kernel panic occur; I was copying about 30MB worth of data to the card. It finished, but my Mac paniced after I ejected the drive. |
| 17:33:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/paniced/panicked |
| 17:35:13 | * | gevaerts doesn't have all those issues :( |
| 17:35:43 | saratoga | is there some way to get debug info out of Windows? |
| 17:35:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: That's because you wrote it, so it knows who its master is. :) |
| 17:35:56 | rasher | gevaerts: Maybe you should start using Vista like a real man |
| 17:38:23 | gevaerts | saratoga: if you have enough backups, could you try reformatting the e200 and seeing if that changes anything? |
| 17:38:31 | * | gevaerts switches to voodoo debugging |
| 17:42:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Copying files to the internal memory is working just fine on my e280. |
| 17:43:21 | Scoth | gevaerts: Hmm, I downloaded the latest rockbox off the rockbox.org site and seem to have ended up with a lower version that before O_o |
| 17:43:52 | Scoth | When I plug it in, it drops into the Apple "Do not disconnect" screen |
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| 17:44:50 | rasher | Am I the only one who wants to gouge my eyes out with a spork due to all the bold text on the WhyRockbox page? |
| 17:45:08 | gevaerts | Scoth: did you install the latest release, or the current build? |
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| 17:45:41 | saratoga | gevaerts: format the sd card or the whole memory? |
| 17:46:00 | saratoga | i could do either, but does the main memory matter if i was writing to sd |
| 17:46:05 | Scoth | Ah, here we go. 'tis what I get for doing installs in different places without paying attention |
| 17:46:28 | Scoth | Let's try this again... |
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| 17:46:47 | gevaerts | saratoga: I'd try both, with tests in between (i.e. first sd, and if it still happens both) |
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| 17:50:46 | Scoth | gevaerts: Yep, still does it. Registering for the bug reporting db now :) |
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| 17:52:44 | saratoga | Scoth: what version do you have installed |
| 17:54:04 | Scoth | r20281-090310 |
| 17:54:11 | Scoth | Just now d/led and installed it |
| 17:56:33 | saratoga | gevaerts: i had it fail again, this time without crashing, coudl this be a bus reset issue? |
| 17:58:44 | gevaerts | saratoga: well, yes, but bus resets are just a symptom, not a cause... |
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| 18:01:20 | Scoth | Huh. It seems to be working now that I've undocked my computer and plugged straight into the computer. I wonder if it's an issue with some USB hubs |
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| 18:18:09 | sharperguy | Was there ever a fix for the DC offset problem in the e200's? |
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| 18:25:13 | robin0800 | LambdaCalculus37 same here except on alpha5 and gnome but after 50 or so connections and disconnections it sometimes works |
| 18:25:23 | robin0800 | LambdaCalculus37 same here except on alpha5 and gnome but after 50 or so connections and disconnections it sometimes works |
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| 18:27:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Damn... I copied nearly 7GB worth of data to the internal memory of my e280, and it had caused my Mac to start going ballistic. |
| 18:28:53 | * | linuxstb starts to wonder if usb in 3.2 is sensible... |
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| 18:37:12 | jaykay | pixelma: if you still care... http://pastebin.com/m37ab1329 is for the speaker<−−>credits change.... |
| 18:37:20 | FlynDice | Does anyone know the status of the mmu on the as3525 in the ams sansas? My understanding is that it's not currently working. I see the icache and dcache enabled for the bootloader but not the main build. |
| 18:37:25 | jaykay | then you could also add the newline at the end :) |
| 18:38:41 | pixelma | jaykay: already did that myself and went with "Lautsprecher einschalten" from the other patch |
| 18:39:15 | jaykay | ok |
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| 18:39:36 | pixelma | and the second hunk is only there in patches made with rasher's site (and really useless) ;) |
| 18:39:59 | pixelma | s/site/page |
| 18:40:49 | saratoga | FlynDice: kugel was pretty sure we don't have it setup correctly |
| 18:41:05 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 18:41:10 | rasher | mcuelenaere: I've created a new theme site that's more or less at the same stage as the one in SVN, but (in my opinion of course) easier to make sense of. http://repo.or.cz/w/rockboxthemes.git |
| 18:41:31 | mcuelenaere | rasher: yes, I've seen it. nice job! |
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| 18:41:41 | rasher | mcuelenaere: So you think it's worth replacing the current code? |
| 18:42:06 | mcuelenaere | definitely. it looks much better as source code (haven't tried it though) |
| 18:42:14 | rasher | Didn't want to do it without some second opinion because it might just be me.. |
| 18:42:31 | mcuelenaere | does it have all the existing features? |
| 18:43:12 | rasher | I'm not entirely sure - haven't actually tried out the current one much |
| 18:43:33 | mcuelenaere | do you have a demo site set up? |
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| 18:43:53 | rasher | Hang on, I'll boot it |
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| 18:46:12 | bertrik | sharperguy, what DC offset problem? |
| 18:46:27 | rasher | mcuelenaere: rasher.dk/">http://home.rasher.dk/ |
| 18:46:56 | rasher | The templates are rather rough around the edges, but I was hoping someone else could fix that |
| 18:47:49 | mcuelenaere | hmm there isn't any example target data? |
| 18:48:01 | rasher | Hrr |
| 18:48:05 | rasher | I had some.. |
| 18:48:35 | rasher | looks like I deleted that |
| 18:49:24 | FlynDice | saratoga: Sorry, hit the wrong button after updating.... Is kugel the one to talk to then? |
| 18:50:20 | linuxstb | rasher: How are you storing the data for the themes site? i.e. text files, MySQL, ... ? |
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| 18:50:35 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: SQLite AFAICS |
| 18:50:58 | linuxstb | Ah, that doesn't surprise me with rasher ;) |
| 18:50:59 | rasher | sqlite, but should be relatively easy to change if we want a "real" db |
| 18:51:41 | linuxstb | Well, scorche's server has mysql running (it's the forums server), so that's available. sqlite should be fine though. |
| 18:51:51 | linuxstb | That's assuming you're not wanting to host it yourself? |
| 18:52:14 | rasher | I think the plan is to use scorche's server |
| 18:52:30 | mcuelenaere | Wasn't there going to be a link between the forums and the theme site? (for developers login) |
| 18:53:03 | saratoga | FlynDice: that or search the logs if hes not around |
| 18:53:07 | linuxstb | I recall some discussion about sharing logins with something, although I can't remember the outcome... |
| 18:53:17 | saratoga | i remember him talking to one of the gigabeat people [they use the same ARM MMU] about it a while ago |
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| 18:54:30 | mcuelenaere | FlynDice: I think he said in order to enable the I- & D-cache, the MMU needs to be enabled; and he didn't know how to do any of them |
| 18:54:38 | FlynDice | saratoga: yes I was looking at that in the code wondering why we couldn't use that. |
| 18:55:04 | Scoth | I don't suppose anyone in here is familiar with the ASAP port for playing .sap files? |
| 18:55:10 | FlynDice | mcuelenaere: It says you can use the icache without the mmu but not the dcache |
| 18:55:26 | rasher | mcuelenaere: there's a theme uploaded now.. |
| 18:55:33 | rasher | test/test for the admin area |
| 18:55:42 | * | rasher braces for vandalism |
| 18:55:49 | mcuelenaere | FlynDice: I'm not sure what he specifically said, I just remember that what I said :) |
| 18:55:56 | mcuelenaere | rasher: ok |
| 18:56:04 | * | gevaerts already spots vandalism! Someone removed his targets |
| 18:56:35 | mcuelenaere | did someone already change the admin password? :) |
| 18:57:10 | rasher | The theme upload is fairly comprehensive. It checks the zip structure, runs checkwps with current and release version and errors if none of them work |
| 18:57:25 | rasher | Then it requires the user to confirm the upload by clicking a link in an email |
| 18:57:30 | rasher | mcuelenaere: That shouldn't be possible |
| 18:57:32 | linuxstb | rasher: Is your "Themes" menu on the left just temporary, or is that how you see it working? |
| 18:57:43 | mcuelenaere | rasher: then test/test doesn't work? |
| 18:57:52 | mcuelenaere | or I'm doing something wrong.. |
| 18:58:01 | rasher | mcuelenaere: no, it doesn't work.. |
| 18:58:13 | rasher | Now it should |
| 18:58:21 | rasher | Forgot to re-add when I re-created the db. |
| 18:58:40 | gevaerts | rasher: is shortname meant to be same as modelname in configure? |
| 18:58:43 | rasher | linuxstb: That was just to have *something* there. I don't really have any opinion how it should work |
| 18:59:00 | rasher | gevaerts: Yes - it's used when running checkwps |
| 18:59:27 | mcuelenaere | ok it seems similar, only the admin panel seems to be missing some things (not sure whether it's important) |
| 18:59:32 | saratoga | FlynDice: the gigabeat code probably needs minor changes due to IRAM |
| 18:59:49 | linuxstb | rasher: What's the git command I need to download your themes source code? |
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| 19:00:46 | rasher | linuxstb: git clone git://repo.or.cz/rockboxthemes.git |
| 19:00:49 | rasher | I *think* |
| 19:01:12 | rasher | mcuelenaere: It currently doesn't mail people when hiding their themes - I think the current one does that? What else is missing |
| 19:01:29 | mcuelenaere | rasher: no, current doesn't do any mailing at all AFAIK |
| 19:01:43 | rasher | Ah, not sure where I picked that up |
| 19:01:46 | mcuelenaere | it's missing the 'edit themes' feature in the admin |
| 19:02:04 | mcuelenaere | + it doesn't show the zip contents when approving a theme (minor) |
| 19:02:05 | rasher | Ah, to modify theme details? |
| 19:02:07 | mcuelenaere | yes |
| 19:02:15 | FlynDice | saratoga: what's the best way to search the logs, grep the daylies or are there monthlies somewhere? |
| 19:02:19 | mcuelenaere | for both to-be-added themes and already-existant themes |
| 19:02:35 | mcuelenaere | (you could do the first with the latter though) |
| 19:02:51 | rasher | All seems like can-do features |
| 19:03:12 | mcuelenaere | rasher: mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/themes_rockbox_temp/PHP/admin.php">http://mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/themes_rockbox_temp/PHP/admin.php test:test |
| 19:03:31 | rasher | mcuelenaere: Can't connect |
| 19:03:37 | mcuelenaere | yeah, me neither |
| 19:03:39 | * | mcuelenaere fixes |
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| 19:05:31 | DerPapst | o/ :) |
| 19:05:33 | gevaerts | rasher: is the text field in the admin pages meant for admin comments? |
| 19:05:40 | rasher | gevaerts: Yep |
| 19:05:43 | saratoga | FlynDice: I juse use the site search |
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| 19:06:01 | rasher | Perhaps there should be an irc-specific google-box |
| 19:06:42 | mcuelenaere | rasher: mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/themes_rockbox/PHP/admin.php">http://mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/themes_rockbox/PHP/admin.php test:test |
| 19:06:48 | DerPapst | rasher: while you're at it the target information should be editable as well. eg. the ipod video target has a 13bit display by accident :P |
| 19:07:29 | rasher | I was hoping admins wouldn't be quite that spastic and having it editable by editing the db manually would be enough, but I guess not |
| 19:08:09 | gevaerts | rasher: that only works with proper admins, not with test/test ones :P |
| 19:09:02 | DerPapst | well, depends, if all admins have direct access to the database. but i guess not and someday someone will make a mistake. |
| 19:09:02 | rasher | Should be easy to fix of course |
| 19:09:36 | * | rasher scribbles on the TODO |
| 19:10:39 | * | DerPapst is doing similar suff for weeks now and no end in sight |
| 19:10:57 | kugel | FlynDice: the dcache is not enabled |
| 19:11:11 | kugel | icache is. but dcache can't be active without mmu |
| 19:11:33 | kugel | I tried setting up the mmu, but it's not trivial due to several factors (like our RAM mapping) |
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| 19:12:20 | kugel | in theory, the code could be more or less copy&pasted from F/X (nearly same CPU), but those do not use IRAM at all + they map the RAM differently |
| 19:12:35 | FlynDice | kugel: That's what it looked like to me. Is there a reason we can't use the gigabeat stuff in mmu-arm.c? |
| 19:12:46 | * | rasher pushes a few changes to make the site actually work |
| 19:12:48 | kugel | FlynDice: I'm sure we can |
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| 19:14:20 | FlynDice | kugel: Do we actually get the icache enabled through the bootloader right now, an I understanding that correctly? |
| 19:14:21 | kugel | just calling the stuff doesn't help though (I tried, my fuze didn't boot). See F/X's crt0.S what that does. As it stands, it seems to be a problem that we have IRAM mapped to 0x0 and DRAM to 0x30000000. I'm not sure how to change that though without mmu |
| 19:14:35 | kugel | yes, and it's still active in the main build |
| 19:15:45 | DerPapst | rasher: and you should close that pre tag after the todo list :D |
| 19:16:45 | FlynDice | kugel: I tried that too... Does all this happen in system-as3525.c and crt0.s? |
| 19:17:28 | rasher | DerPapst: I already said the templates were rough |
| 19:17:35 | rasher | But yes, obvious typo |
| 19:18:26 | DerPapst | wow.. i didn't know smarty has this debug console thingy :D |
| 19:18:39 | bertrik | kugel, do you have a link to the as3525 MMU documentation? |
| 19:18:49 | bertrik | or document name |
| 19:19:10 | saratoga | i think its just the generic arm922T docs from arm.com |
| 19:19:23 | kugel | standard arm922t datasheet |
| 19:19:39 | rasher | DerPapst: It's occasionally useful. I discovered it rather by accident |
| 19:19:54 | bertrik | kugel, oh I though you already read about it |
| 19:20:39 | kugel | DDI0184.pdf |
| 19:20:52 | kugel | bertrik: I did |
| 19:21:08 | kugel | that's why I know that the dcache can't be active without mmu |
| 19:21:22 | bertrik | thanks |
| 19:22:11 | FlynDice | kugel: how do we know that the icache is active? |
| 19:22:22 | rasher | If anyone wants push access on that git repo just poke me. Or just commit the thing to SVN if enough agree that it's an improvement over the current code |
| 19:22:26 | saratoga | i'll add that to the wiki |
| 19:23:16 | kugel | "You must only enable the DCache when the MMU is enabled." |
| 19:23:17 | DerPapst | rasher: pretty nifty. i'm reading about it right now. until now all i did was print_r debugging ;) |
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| 19:25:15 | kugel | FlynDice: I commented the activation out, rockbox was horribly slow |
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| 19:31:07 | saratoga | gevaerts: formatting did not help the USB issue on my sansa |
| 19:33:30 | gevaerts | saratoga: could you enable logf for usb_storage.c and see what it says when failing? |
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| 19:38:08 | saratoga | gevaerts: is that as easy as configuring a log build, or do I need to edit code? |
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| 19:39:38 | rasher | saratoga: I think you need to #include <logf.h> in usb_storage.c then enable logf in configure |
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| 19:56:42 | gevaerts | saratoga: uncomment the #include <logf.h> in usb_storage.c, and do a logf build |
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| 19:59:23 | saratoga | gevaerts: done. now what? just transfer files until it happens? |
| 19:59:43 | gevaerts | saratoga: yes, and then do a logf dump from the debug menu |
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| 20:02:42 | saratoga | gevaerts: i've done that ow, but it doesn't look like it caputured anything interesting |
| 20:02:55 | gevaerts | can you pastebin it? |
| 20:03:26 | saratoga | http://pastebin.com/m4c78de25 |
| 20:03:59 | saratoga | exactly 1000 entires, is there a limit on how much it can record? |
| 20:04:37 | gevaerts | yes, 1000 entries :) Anyway it's a ring buffer, so the latest should be there |
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| 20:05:55 | saratoga | gevaerts: that particular time i just copied files from the sansa until it disconnected in order to avoid locking up rockbox and losing the log |
| 20:06:30 | gevaerts | can you uncomment the logf on line 991? |
| 20:06:49 | gevaerts | hm, maybe also the one on line 1102 |
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| 20:12:51 | saratoga | gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m4c2adcd7 |
| 20:13:54 | saratoga | for what its worth, the device probably remains in USB mode for 20 seconds between when it stops the transfer and when I get it unplugged, could the entries be overwritten by then? |
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| 20:16:01 | gevaerts | saratoga: no. This is the last one... |
| 20:16:15 | gevaerts | There should be a CSW, but it's not sent apparently |
| 20:16:59 | saratoga | have other people tested vista? |
| 20:17:29 | gevaerts | saratoga: maybe just uncomment all commented logfs |
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| 20:18:08 | gevaerts | from what I can see now, this doesn't seem vista related |
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| 20:20:07 | amiconn | Eh, what? "error: invalid suffix "pbbb5" on integer constant". In a file I didn't even touch! |
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| 20:25:00 | FlynDice | kugel:I've been reading over the logs from mid Jan when you were discussing mmu issues with amiconn & jhMikeS. Did you ever try leaving the cache alone in the bootloader and then initing the mmu in the main program? |
| 20:25:20 | saratoga | gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m63c24517 |
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| 20:25:56 | saratoga | this time explorer became unresponsive so i'm going to try again and see if i can duplicate the exact sort of failure from the last logf |
| 20:26:47 | lostlogic | it's too bad we don't have enough build servers to build each target twice and ignore it if the error/warning count doesn't match (or request a tie breaker build) |
| 20:27:50 | saratoga | gevaerts: heres a repeat with all logfs enabled, and the same sort of failure i had previously: http://pastebin.com/m794cc8e2 |
| 20:29:45 | gevaerts | ok, so it's a transfer that never completes... |
| 20:29:58 | Llorean | lostlogic: But we do have enough to build it a second time elsewhere only when there are errors or warnings. |
| 20:30:09 | Conic | Oh, wow, you guys finally corrected the little Archos thing with the simulator. |
| 20:30:25 | Conic | Not that it makes any difference, but it's a nice little change. |
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| 20:31:21 | gevaerts | saratoga: can you uncomment the #define LOGF_ENABLE in firmware/target/arm/usb-drv-arc.c as well? |
| 20:31:32 | amiconn | Llorean: Hmm, that would mean if there are any legitimate warnings/errors, all builds could be handed out twice in the worst case |
| 20:31:43 | saratoga | gevaerts: sure, do i also need to enable some logs? |
| 20:31:48 | saratoga | uncomment some logfs |
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| 20:32:21 | amiconn | Unfortunately the build system can't be made smart enough to distinguish build server problems from legitimate errors |
| 20:32:25 | gevaerts | saratoga: might as well. Just add them all in |
| 20:32:56 | lostlogic | yeah, that's the challenge with having different people on different OSs with different compilers all operating build servers |
| 20:33:24 | amiconn | It might be possible to detect the (somewhat frequent) "no space left on device" problem, but even that may be tricky given that error messages are localized on linux |
| 20:33:46 | amiconn | Perhaps we should make acbuild.pl (or the server side) set LANG=C before building? |
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| 20:35:53 | Llorean | amiconn: Maybe some comparison of *where* the errors occur. Like if 2+ servers get errors in the same line, that one's ignored for the purposes of repeating a build? |
| 20:36:19 | Conic | Why doesn't the simulator build a .rockbox directory? |
| 20:36:25 | Conic | Do I need to do an extra step? |
| 20:36:42 | saratoga | make install |
| 20:36:50 | Conic | Thanks. |
| 20:38:09 | Conic | Wait, are any apps even ported to the Onda? |
| 20:38:37 | BigBambi | you mean plugins? |
| 20:38:41 | Conic | Yeah |
| 20:39:03 | Conic | Because this simulator doesn't have any, when I click Games I get "No Files" |
| 20:39:28 | Conic | I'm building a 747, if that matters. |
| 20:40:38 | saratoga | gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m735027bf [kind where explorer hangs] |
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| 20:41:37 | saratoga | here is the kind where it simply disconnects mid transfer: http://pastebin.com/m21924180 |
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| 20:41:43 | Llorean | Conic: You can check the source to see if it's supposed to build plugins. Generally though, it's hit and miss as to what's done with incomplete ports. |
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| 20:46:01 | gevaerts | saratoga: are there changes in your tree other than these logf things? |
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| 20:46:12 | * | gevaerts doesn't like this problem |
| 20:46:44 | saratoga | gevaerts: no, and I get it with official build anyway |
| 20:46:50 | linuxstb | Conic: As you discovered, plugins are currently disabled for the 747. So it needs someone to fix them - which normally just means assigning a keymap. |
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| 20:47:21 | pixelma | in case of the Onda - maybe new graphics too−−- |
| 20:47:22 | saratoga | i will test this cable on my usual xp box whenever i am well enough to go back into school in order to rule out a problem with the cable |
| 20:47:41 | linuxstb | pixelma: Ah, what's the LCD? |
| 20:47:51 | gevaerts | saratoga: if the OF works, it's unlikely to be the cable |
| 20:48:23 | linuxstb | Ah yes, 240x400 for the 747... (a familiar 320x240 for the 767) |
| 20:49:07 | Conic | I'll just use another simulator for my iPhone port, I guess. |
| 20:49:12 | pixelma | probably close enough to start with 320x240 or 240x320 |
| 20:49:14 | Conic | An iRiver, I think |
| 20:49:30 | linuxstb | Conic: Ah, you're not even interested in the Onda? |
| 20:50:07 | linuxstb | Conic: How are you approaching your port? We don't really see ports to things like the iphone as a simulator - they should be targets in their own right. |
| 20:50:35 | linuxstb | (and hence you should be able to build a sim for it...) |
| 20:50:38 | Conic | I was going to try the Rockbox-as-an-app thing I saw in a forum thread somewhere around six months ago., |
| 20:50:43 | pixelma | maybe the D2 sim? It's a touchscreen device with a 320x240 screen |
| 20:50:57 | Conic | Is it better supported than the Onda? |
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| 20:51:34 | Llorean | Isn't the iPhone 480xsomething? |
| 20:51:40 | Llorean | 272? |
| 20:51:40 | linuxstb | No touchscreen devices have reached "supported" status in Rockbox. |
| 20:51:53 | pixelma | I remember plugins are built (tested my graphics I did for pegbox) but it's also a port in progress |
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| 20:52:02 | linuxstb | 480x320 IIRC |
| 20:52:11 | Conic | The iPhone is 480x320 |
| 20:52:19 | Conic | Yeah, I just googled it. |
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| 20:52:28 | saratoga | i'd worry about getting it to build first |
| 20:52:45 | Conic | So, I think I'm going to use an iRiver h300 base. |
| 20:53:18 | Llorean | Why? |
| 20:53:28 | Llorean | What exactly are you trying to do by using something as a "base"? |
| 20:53:38 | Conic | I'm trying to port a simulator to the iPhone. |
| 20:53:49 | Conic | It probably won't get very far, but at least I tried. |
| 20:54:02 | linuxstb | I can't see rockbox-as-an-app on the iphone resembling Rockbox much at all. You'll need to port the apps/ layer to use the iphone UI, and the firmware/ layer would just use the standard OSX kernel. |
| 20:54:54 | Conic | This one guy has ported a bunch of emulators to the iPhone, I think I'd try to use a base of that, too. Screenshot: http://www.pqdvd.com/blog/iphone/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/img_9019jpg.png |
| 20:55:19 | Conic | I'd change the bottom to a graphic of the iRiver, or whatever I ended up using. |
| 20:55:29 | Llorean | Conic: The simulator isn't an emulator. |
| 20:55:30 | linuxstb | Well, Rockbox isn't really the same as an emulator. It has a lot of UI - menus, file browsers, settings etc. |
| 20:55:52 | Conic | I know. |
| 20:55:53 | Llorean | And you'd still need to do most of what linuxstb had suggested above, plus creating new extra work for you. |
| 20:55:53 | saratoga | i assume theres SDL for the iphone, thats a good start |
| 20:56:10 | linuxstb | saratoga: Not really. IMO you want the iphone UI widgets, not SDL. |
| 20:57:06 | advcomp2019 | gevaerts, i could test saratoga's bug since i use windows and linux, but i am not sure what to do |
| 20:57:06 | saratoga | well its a good start |
| 20:57:14 | saratoga | get it working with SDL then gradually start removing things |
| 20:57:27 | gevaerts | advcomp2019: if it works for you, there's not much you *can* do... |
| 20:57:48 | Conic | I'm just trying to port a simulator to the iPhone, I don't really want a full-fledged port. |
| 20:58:09 | Conic | I would use the UI of that emulator I linked to. |
| 20:58:21 | advcomp2019 | gevaerts, o ok then.. i was not sure |
| 20:58:41 | Llorean | Conic: Is that emulator released under the GPLv2 or later? |
| 20:58:49 | gevaerts | I suspect that we still don't have prime_transfer() completely right. This means more datasheet scrutinising |
| 20:58:51 | Conic | Hmm. Not sure. |
| 20:58:58 | linuxstb | Conic: In that case, something like the ipod video would be a good start - it's 320x240, so you could display that in a window, and use the rest of the screen for the iphone stuff. |
| 20:59:04 | Llorean | Conic: And, porting a simulator *is* a full port, plus some extra work to create additional UI bits that aren't really necessary. |
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| 21:00:12 | Conic | Not sure how I'd get the scroll wheel working, none of Zod's emulators have anything like that. |
| 21:00:14 | linuxstb | Conic: Or maybe the Gigabeat F - 240x320 |
| 21:00:30 | linuxstb | (the Gigabeat F just has buttons, so that's simpler) |
| 21:00:30 | gevaerts | Conic: another approach would be to take one of the non-touchscreen 320x240 targets and use the other half of the screen for buttons and wheels and things |
| 21:00:45 | linuxstb | gevaerts: That's what I was suggesting... |
| 21:00:54 | Conic | That's what I'm going to do, that's what Zod did with the GBA emulator. |
| 21:01:11 | Llorean | Doesn't the D2 simulate the touchscreen, and already have a 320x240 screen (the simulator could just be centered for now) |
| 21:01:12 | * | gevaerts reads linuxstb's lines again |
| 21:01:14 | linuxstb | Conic: Is the GBA source available? |
| 21:01:21 | Conic | Yes. |
| 21:01:32 | Conic | The source code for all his emulators are. |
| 21:01:39 | Conic | http://github.com/zodttd |
| 21:02:03 | Llorean | GPLv2 it looks like |
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| 21:02:31 | Llorean | gnuboy based |
| 21:02:41 | linuxstb | Conic: But yes, that could work quite nicely. |
| 21:03:00 | Conic | I hope I'll be able to finish this, heh |
| 21:03:23 | Conic | Oh, wait, how much RAM does the Gigabeat have? |
| 21:03:26 | linuxstb | And you need to submit it to the itunes store ;) |
| 21:03:29 | Llorean | Copying for the GBA one is a .doc. =/ |
| 21:03:38 | gevaerts | Conic: that's not important for a sim |
| 21:03:44 | Conic | Oh, yeah |
| 21:03:51 | Conic | The iPhone has 128MB of RAM |
| 21:03:59 | Conic | But only 20MB is available at any time. |
| 21:04:11 | Conic | It's crazy how much RAM the base system uses. |
| 21:04:28 | linuxstb | Yes, it's not a lightweight OS... |
| 21:04:38 | gevaerts | I think that whatever sdl uses will swamp what rockbox itself needs anyway |
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| 21:04:56 | linuxstb | Did that emulator use SDL? |
| 21:05:06 | Conic | Either that or OpenGL. |
| 21:05:26 | * | linuxstb would avoid SDL, and find out how to get access to a surface to draw on via the iphone UI. |
| 21:05:52 | Conic | I'll just look in the GPSPhone source for that. ;) |
| 21:10:10 | linuxstb | Conic: Any idea if you'll be able to run Rockbox in the background? |
| 21:11:37 | Conic | With Backgrounder, yes. |
| 21:11:47 | linuxstb | With audio? |
| 21:12:06 | Conic | I've never acually used Backgrouder myself. |
| 21:12:21 | * | Conic installs it and tries to run ModPlayer in the background |
| 21:12:51 | linuxstb | And if it works, what happens when phone calls start, or you try to play audio elsewhere? |
| 21:13:07 | Conic | I have an iPod touch myself, so I wouldn't know. |
| 21:13:45 | linuxstb | But you could try the second - i.e. playing music? |
| 21:14:19 | Conic | What usually happens is that it tries to pause the audio, like when an alarm happens while playing music in the background, but I'll still have to try. |
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| 21:14:32 | Conic | Ack, Backgrounder is a SpringBoard extension |
| 21:14:39 | Conic | God knows I have too many of those |
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| 21:15:47 | Llorean | Conic: This really isn't the place for general talk about the iPhone software. |
| 21:16:02 | Conic | Sorry. |
| 21:16:53 | Conic | Oh, and audio doesn't play in the background. |
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| 21:31:30 | linuxstb | Conic: Hmm, that's a pain then... |
| 21:33:10 | * | linuxstb wonders if a client-server approach would work, with a Rockbox "server" always running in the background, and the UI just opening and closing normally... |
| 21:33:34 | Conic | Hmm. Interesting idea. |
| 21:35:01 | linuxstb | Rockbox already supports hot-pluggable remote controls (with LCD and buttons), so the UI would work as a remote. |
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| 21:36:06 | JdGordon| | this is for the iphone? |
| 21:37:15 | Conic | I wish iPhoneLinux was farther along, then I could use that |
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| 21:38:23 | JdGordon| | if your gonna go the whole client/server aproach I woudl almost suggest removing the whole playback engine into a lib (which is something some people want done anyway) and build a nice interface ontop of that later |
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| 21:39:38 | Conic | I don't really think I'm gonna do that. |
| 21:40:03 | JdGordon| | you know you want to :D |
| 21:40:24 | Conic | It would be more work, so I don't. :P |
| 21:40:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon|: Read the logs - Conic doesn't want something fully integrated into the iphone, just something as easy as possible to get working... |
| 21:40:55 | Conic | It should be easy, the whole interface is already coded for me. |
| 21:40:55 | JdGordon| | where is the fun in that? :p ok |
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| 21:42:29 | JdGordon| | Conic: there is a "plan" or "pipe dream" of being able to run rockbox as an app on any OS with you just needing to do the backend work like getting it to draw to the display and output sound (which needs to be done on every target) |
| 21:44:31 | Conic | The simulators use SDL, right? |
| 21:44:35 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 21:44:37 | Conic | There's an iPhone port or SDL. |
| 21:44:42 | Conic | *of SDL |
| 21:45:46 | JdGordon| | so in theory it shouldnt be too much work to get it to compile as is... |
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| 21:56:03 | bertrik | kugel, what did you try w.r.t. the MMU in AMS sansas so far? |
| 21:56:29 | bertrik | I wonder if we can use the MMU to move some sections closer together so we can avoid long calls |
| 21:58:02 | bertrik | or maybe we first just need to get it enabled without moving things around |
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| 22:10:19 | rasher | pixelma: Is FS #10001 obsolete? And FS #9754? |
| 22:12:59 | bertrik | pff, do the MMU functions really have to be in asm |
| 22:14:19 | saratoga | aren't they all set with those special coprocessor instructions? |
| 22:17:02 | bertrik | no |
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| 22:21:34 | kugel | bertrik: I tried turning it on using the commands in the ds |
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| 22:27:32 | FlynDice | bertrik:don't you have to access cp15 with mcr or mrc? |
| 22:28:06 | kugel | bertrik: mmu-arm.S, you should be able to use those |
| 22:28:12 | kugel | F/X use them as well |
| 22:29:20 | bertrik | yeah, I see, but there's no need to code e.g. map_section in asm as far as I can tell |
| 22:35:12 | kkurbjun | bertrik: I'm not sure about map section offhand, but those routines were designed so that they would not need stack to run. Before, when they were coded in C, there were some tricks that we were using with the compiler to make sure they compiled without need for a stack. Putting them in assembly guaranteed they would be compiled the same way every time. |
| 22:38:46 | kkurbjun | looking at map section, I think that was one of the functions in particular that didn't compile normally without using the stack unless some extra flags were added to some of the variables (beyond defining the variable as a register). The reason I was working on getting them setup without using a stack is because of when the mapping was taking place on the gigabeat fx in particular, but I'm sure the need is present for some other ta |
| 22:39:00 | kkurbjun | the m:robe 500 I believe is nearly the same |
| 22:39:20 | amiconn | Imo it makes perfect sense to use asm in such cases |
| 22:40:58 | bertrik | speed or efficiency is hardly relevant for map_section |
| 22:41:06 | kkurbjun | I agree, I think it makes more sense, the functions that were hacked around with the compiler were almost entirely in asm before jhMikeS finished it by moving them all into straight assembly. |
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| 22:41:14 | kkurbjun | bertrik: read my explanation above |
| 22:41:28 | kkurbjun | it wasn't for speed or efficiency |
| 22:41:29 | bertrik | kkurbjun, but the calling function could use a stack |
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| 22:41:58 | kkurbjun | not if you use branch instead of jump |
| 22:42:02 | kkurbjun | or ldr |
| 22:42:24 | kkurbjun | the return is stored in lr |
| 22:42:56 | bertrik | and you don't want to use the stack because it's location may become remapped? |
| 22:43:22 | bertrik | amiconn, I know, asm seems to make sense for you for anything :P |
| 22:43:52 | kkurbjun | those functions were all being called from crt0.s so we had control of exactly how they were called. Well, it could probably be setup so that the stack could be used prior to the mmu calls, but it was easier to make the mmu calls stackless |
| 22:44:14 | bertrik | ok |
| 22:44:30 | kkurbjun | I think on the gigabeat fx the problem is that the stack location doesn't exist per the linker before the mmu is setup |
| 22:44:56 | kkurbjun | so you would have to hack together a temporary stack and then reset it up properly after the mapping is done |
| 22:47:08 | amiconn | bertrik: crt0 is also asm on all targets for that reason: precise control over the code is necessary there, hence using asm is better than hacking around gcc to trick it into doing what we need |
| 22:48:05 | amiconn | The latter might work for a certain target, with a certain gcc revision. It might very well break for another target, or if someone decides to experiment with another gcc version. We had that happen several times in the past. |
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| 22:48:30 | Bagder | jhulst: here? |
| 22:48:52 | jhulst | Bagder: yup, still having problems? |
| 22:49:07 | Bagder | no, it works fine now. Do you have all the compilers and sdl installed? |
| 22:49:14 | jhulst | yup |
| 22:49:36 | Bagder | cool, that was all I wanted now. I'm adding your host as we speak |
| 22:50:32 | jhulst | Sounds good, thanks |
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| 23:19:32 | bertrik | kugel, what value did you use for TTB_BASE_ADDR? |
| 23:23:32 | pixelma | amiconn had an idea how to improve (shorten) the "enable speaker" language string - also in the master english: use "speaker" with an on/off submenu instead of "enable speaker" with yes/no. I like it but since it will probably deprecate the string and add a new one, so has impact on all languages, it might be better to wait until after the release even though it only affects a non-release target. Opinions? |
| 23:24:04 | pixelma | s/release/freeze |
| 23:26:33 | rasher | Seems reasonable, but no reason to do it before the release if you ask me |
| 23:27:43 | rasher | It's technically irrelevant of course, but it seems nicer to wait until after the release |
| 23:28:29 | n1s | we aer pretty inconsisten when it comes to on/off or yes/no setting s as it is now |
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| 23:31:28 | pixelma | maybe it's a chance to go through those again (after the release). The question also reminds me of getting rid of the deprecated strings - last time there was no agreement about whether it should happen right before or after the release and didn't happen until today... |
| 23:31:51 | pixelma | n1s: do you have a specific example in mind? |
| 23:32:44 | rasher | There's the display inverse mode |
| 23:33:11 | rasher | Which is a "Display mode - inverse/normal" setting |
| 23:33:13 | rasher | Which is just weird |
| 23:33:24 | Llorean | pixelma: I'm personally generally in favour of "Option" "Enable/Disable" pairs instead of "Enable Option" "Yes/No" pairs in general |
| 23:33:30 | Llorean | But yeah, definitely not something we need to do during the freeze. |
| 23:34:10 | pixelma | rasher: that's a weird one indeed |
| 23:34:42 | Llorean | rasher: What could we call it? |
| 23:35:03 | n1s | pixelma: sure, take in the sound settings menu for example, the "Crossfeed" menu has an entry called just "Crossfeed" which brings you the coice of yes/no, the equalizer has an entry called "Enable EQ" which is yes/no the dithering is just yes/no |
| 23:35:16 | rasher | Llorean: Inverse display enable/disable? |
| 23:35:38 | Llorean | rasher: Ah, yes. Somehow I just couldn't get there from the original name. |
| 23:35:43 | Llorean | My brain is clearly not up to speed today. |
| 23:36:04 | n1s | "Recursively Insert Directories" is on/off/ask, always/never/ask would make more sense to me |
| 23:36:18 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 23:36:25 | pixelma | n1s: someone should note it down |
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| 23:36:59 | pixelma | well we can find it in the logs now |
| 23:37:34 | rasher | mcuelenaere: your themes site doesn't seem functional? |
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| 23:37:49 | mcuelenaere | I was offline for some time, let me check |
| 23:37:50 | n1s | pixelma: yes, it has been discussed before too, i have been meaning to look at it but haven't been motivated enough yet |
| 23:38:31 | mcuelenaere | rasher: mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/themes_rockbox_temp/PHP/">http://mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/themes_rockbox_temp/PHP/ |
| 23:38:50 | mcuelenaere | hmm the layout seems to be messed up.. |
| 23:39:13 | rasher | mcuelenaere: Is that using my code? |
| 23:39:28 | mcuelenaere | rasher: mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/themes_rockbox/PHP/">http://mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/themes_rockbox/PHP/ |
| 23:39:32 | pixelma | alright, I'll stay with the "enable speaker" translation in the german translation now and hope to remember after the release... |
| 23:39:36 | mcuelenaere | rasher: your code as in the git one? |
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| 23:40:13 | rasher | mcuelenaere: Yes.. I guess they just seemed similar from the frontpage |
| 23:40:24 | mcuelenaere | rasher: no, it's the 'old' SVN one |
| 23:42:20 | pixelma | bluebrother: seen the other suggestion for the "credits" translation? |
| 23:42:32 | pixelma | *suggestions |
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| 23:45:07 | kugel | bertrik: end of ram - 4000 |
| 23:46:53 | pixelma | rasher: about the patches FS #9999 and 10001 will soon be obsolete. I'm not quite sure what to do with FS #9754 as it does a bit more than what was committed (some of those are still ideas to think about, stayed conservative for now). And I'm also not sure what to do with the author of FS #9999 - I didn't use the patch but the idea for the speaker string |
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| 23:47:49 | pixelma | I can close them myself then |
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| 23:51:29 | mcuelenaere | rasher: one more thing for the TODO: on mouse rollover a theme image should change to it's *_b.png variant |
| 23:51:34 | bertrik | kugel, how do you know this is the right address (I can't seem to find it in the as3525 ds) |
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| 23:52:32 | bluebrother | pixelma: no |
| 23:52:54 | bluebrother | haven't following discussion closely tonight |
| 23:55:14 | rasher | mcuelenaere: ah yes |
| 23:55:18 | pixelma | bluebrother: "summary" at 16:37 today |
| 23:55:55 | rasher | mcuelenaere: That's something for a template person anyway. Btw, is the javascript on the current site taken from dreamweaver code? |
| 23:56:19 | mcuelenaere | rasher: yes, I just copy-pasted that from the old(?) theme site |
| 23:56:49 | mcuelenaere | if there's other JS in the SVN theme site, that'll probably be mine |
| 23:56:54 | kkurbjun | bertrik: the TTB base address is wherever you want it to be in memory. The ttb initialization sets the address that the MMU uses in memory. |
| 23:56:58 | bluebrother | pixelma: thanks |
| 23:57:03 | * | bluebrother goes checking the logs |
| 23:57:44 | kkurbjun | I think it just has to be aligned to a 16 kb boundary |
| 23:58:00 | bertrik | ah ok thanks, makes sense |
| 23:58:21 | bluebrother | pixelma: "Ehrungen" sounds too formal imo. I don't have a strong opinions about the other two |
| 23:58:36 | kkurbjun | The ARM reference manuals should have some details about it, but I'm not sure which offhand |
| 23:58:52 | kugel | bertrik: I don't think the address is fixed |
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