#rockbox 2009-03-15

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#rockbox log for 2009-03-15

00:00:09	midgey	we could just stall the release and rename it 3.5
00:00:16	*	midgey looks at mozilla
00:00:45	gevaerts	we already did that for 3.0. You can't do that too often :)
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00:17:02	domonoky	bluebrother: the target id is used in the voice generation..
00:18:33	domonoky	but perhaps voice generation should take the target-id out of the rockbox-info.txt file.
00:24:35	bluebrother	domonoky: the genlang call to the webserver uses (and happily accepts) the platform string
00:24:53	domonoky	yes, but not voicefont()
00:25:29	bluebrother	hmm. It doesn't seem to get passed anywhere −− the only place I found it was in the target check
00:26:22	bluebrother	and why does voicefont need that id?
00:26:51	domonoky	its needed for the header of a voicefile.
00:26:54	bluebrother	ah ok, for writing the header
00:27:05	domonoky	and for some target specific adaptions.
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00:27:45	domonoky	but if we just read the target-id from the rockbox-info.txt file, we can remove it from the ini file.
00:28:12	bluebrother	well, it's not the ini file itself. It's the settings class I'm fighting with :)
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00:29:20	domonoky	:-)
00:29:32	bluebrother	for now, I can scratch that nameOfTargetId() which is a good thing (tm)
00:29:57	domonoky	you modified detect.cpp to operate on target names ?
00:30:18	bluebrother	keeping the target id in the settings (as long as it's only using the current platform) isn't an issue
00:30:58	bluebrother	yes. Detect::check() now also always checks against the current target selection −− there is no need to pass the settings structure plus the value
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00:55:48	n1s	speaking about not breaking ipod<->itunes compatibility, would it not be possible to do a reboot like we used to on the ipods if the specific scsi commands itunes use are recieved by rockbox?
00:57:06	gevaerts	n1s: maybe. It needs testing
00:57:40	linuxstb	Wouldn't that break the connection? Itunes can be started at any time.
00:58:08	gevaerts	that's the main problem I see, yes.
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01:05:51	linuxstb	bluebrother: Did you get chance to try that ipodpatcher on Windows?
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01:06:06	*	linuxstb now has a "-x file.xml" option to dump the XML info to a file
01:06:32	linuxstb	Or is there anyone else around with Windows and an ipod?
01:07:20	gevaerts	rasher maybe :)
01:07:34	linuxstb	Haha...
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01:10:50	bluebrother	linuxstb: not yet. Will try tomorrow
01:11:06	bluebrother	but now I need to get some sleep. Bye.
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01:12:40	midgey	linuxstb: what do you need?
01:13:10	linuxstb	midgey: A second tester after it failed for you... But I'm just reviewing the code now, so may have another version soon.
01:14:22	rasher	linuxstb: will a sansa do?
01:15:10	linuxstb	rasher: It's worth a try - I'm just testing the Windows code.
01:15:24	linuxstb	http://linux.cream.org/rockbox/ipodpatcher.exe
01:15:28	linuxstb	Try "ipodpatcher -x file.xml"
01:16:25	rasher	Do we all get a free pass for calling you linux now?
01:16:25	bertrik	I just noticed there's a 1.1.32 clip original firmware out, has anyone built a bootloader with this and tried to run it?
01:17:22	linuxstb	Hmm...
01:18:09	rasher	linuxstb: ah, no ipods found. Seems ipodpatcher is more strict than iTunes
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01:19:02	linuxstb	Try explicitly adding a disk number - e.g. "ipodpatcher 1 -x test.xml"
01:19:14	linuxstb	That should show why it doesn't like the device.
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01:19:25	linuxstb	It's probably the partition layout...
01:19:29	rasher	Yup
01:19:49	linuxstb	OK, I'll #ifdef that out for you...
01:20:16	linuxstb	What's the error you get?
01:20:44	rasher	[ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod
01:20:48	acarrico	Sorry to break in. Is there a rockbox target for Linux? Like an emulator I guess.
01:21:07	saratoga	yes, the uisimulator
01:21:21	rasher	acarrico: you can simulate (not emulate) all our targets on Linux. See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator
01:21:47	linuxstb	rasher: OK, try again.
01:21:49	acarrico	Ah. Thanks for the Linux. I missed it poking around on your site.
01:22:30	acarrico	/s/Linux/link/
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01:23:15	rasher	linuxstb: hm, wait, that's not the right disk..
01:23:37	linuxstb	rasher: Then be careful with that ipodpatcher...
01:24:02	linuxstb	But no, it shouldn't write anything without you giving it a filename of something to write...
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01:25:55	rasher	linuxstb: okay, here's the right one, now it's failing at "Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright"
01:26:52	midgey	[ERR] invalid bufsize in ipod_scsi_inquiry
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01:27:20	linuxstb	midgey: Oops...
01:27:31	linuxstb	rasher: OK, I'll remove that check as well...
01:28:07	rasher	This is going to be the worst ipodpatcher ever
01:28:21	rasher	Better remember to delete it from your webspace soon
01:28:25	linuxstb	rasher: Although this may not work... Do you actually have the firmware there?
01:28:35	rasher	I don't have the firmware, no
01:28:47	rasher	I could install it, I guess
01:29:49	linuxstb	It's OK, let's see how midgey gets on once I fix that bug. I think I had better remove those #if 0s, or I'll end up committing them...
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01:30:15	AntiXpucT	hi there...
01:30:34	linuxstb	midgey: Can you download and try again?
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01:31:16	AntiXpucT	is it planned to build rockbox for Samsung YP-P2? :)
01:31:30	saratoga	ports aren't planned
01:31:43	Unhelpful	somebody who has one needs to do the work
01:32:00	AntiXpucT	-_-
01:32:12	midgey	[ERR] Sending SCSI Command failed.
01:33:30	linuxstb	midgey: OK, I have one last thing to try...
01:33:49	linuxstb	midgey: New version uploaded.
01:34:01	bertrik	AntiXpucT, there's a wiki page about it (SamsungP2Port)
01:35:04	AntiXpucT	bertrik: where? on the rockbox site?
01:35:16	saratoga	this site
01:35:23	midgey	linuxstb: close
01:35:23	saratoga	theres a status link on the front page
01:35:23	bertrik	yes, full link is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungP2Port
01:35:32	midgey	it dumps the first page correctly
01:35:36	midgey	then gibberish
01:35:36	AntiXpucT	bertrik: thanks
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01:36:47	linuxstb	midgey: Hmm, so no XML-like content in the "gibberish" at all?
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01:39:52	midgey	http://www.pastebin.ca/1361089
01:40:21	midgey	had to remove a char between int and €ƒ
01:40:42	midgey	(zero byte?)
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01:41:41	linuxstb	Any errors displayed by ipodpatcher?
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01:41:56	midgey	nope
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02:06:49	linuxstb	midgey: Thanks for testing. I've no immediate ideas...
02:07:08	midgey	no problem
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02:39:40	plutonian	is there a LISP programming environment available as a rockbox plugin?
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02:46:56	Llorean	plutonian: Everything included is in the manual.
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04:26:01	PSPdemon	curious, lets say theres a update to the bootloader
04:26:07	PSPdemon	would i have to take the old bootloader off? or would it overwrite the current
04:26:42	soap	It would overwrite the current
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04:30:42	PSPdemon	soap, thanks
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05:28:44	soap	Llorean: since when did tasks get closed because the current implementation isn't the one which will get approved for SVN?
05:29:11	soap	I was under the impression that many FlySpray entries got totally revamped while on the tracker.
05:29:13	Kefka_Palazzo	Hello, how do I redefine controls in Rockbox UISimulator?
05:30:17	Llorean	soap: It needs to be rewritten from scratch. That can always be a new task.
05:30:33	Llorean	Several have been closed when nobody's working on that specific task any more.
05:30:43	Llorean	Kefka_Palazzo: Edit the source code.
05:30:52	Kefka_Palazzo	okay
05:30:53	Kefka_Palazzo	thanks
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06:45:39	casainho	hello :-) −− my system is hanging here: http://blip.tv/file/1878330?filename=Jpcasainho-lyreHangs252.flv
06:46:47	Llorean	casainho: It's unlikely just showing the screen will allow anyone to know why it's hanging.
06:46:58	Llorean	Why not try to track down exactly where in the code it's hanging at?
06:47:02	casainho	I am doing JTAG debug, but I don't know where I can put a break point, to start trying spot the problem. Can someone tell me where in the code I could start looking? −− that problem, system goes to the undefined vector
06:50:02	casainho	Llorean: it hangs exactly when I press the button and it tries to play, looks to me that it can read correctly the file. Do you know in what piece of code can be responsible for that stage of start playing?
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06:53:50	Llorean	casainho: I have no guess. It seems like you'd be in the best position to figure it out because you have the actual hardware and tools.
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06:55:40	casainho	Llorean: I thought that someone knowing the internals of Rockbox could imagine in what piece of code it hangs... −− there is so many code, I don't know where to put a breakpoint...
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06:56:29	Llorean	casainho: Instead of trying to guess where it fails, why not do some elimination and see what actually succeeds?
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06:57:41	casainho	how? in what file? −− I were reading the root_menu...
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07:00:15	casainho	on main() I see it going to void root_menu(void), however I don't know where it goes after... :-(
07:03:07	casainho	oh, I think I got it :-)
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07:09:43	saratoga	Bagder: [for the logs] someone reported running code on a V2 Clip, maybe now is a good time to request the AMS datasheet
07:10:29	saratoga	most likely the clip uses the AS3536, as it is the AS3525 replacement with the required features [onboard dac, integrated memory]
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07:27:04	saratoga	Bagder: hmm looking at this closer, the V2 and V1 firmwares both have the string AS3525_2_0, so maybe its not a new CPU
07:31:24	saratoga	hmm i'm really confused
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08:31:55	byteframe	My 4th gen ipod running rockbox (installed with the installer) reboots to the apple firmware whenever it is plugged into the usb. Can I change this?
08:39:49	Llorean	The current build has our USB code enabled instead of using the Apple USB mode.
08:39:59	Llorean	But it's still not perfect yet, and likely won't be seen in the 3.2 release either.
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09:15:57	alex0008	I'm on dial-up. Two questions: 1)What is the total size of what SVN will download for the first time. 2)Can I tell SVN to skip files for targets I'll never build for?
09:18:46	Llorean	alex0008: The source tarball is 20.0 MB compressed it seems, I'd imagine SVN is going to be similar. I don't know if it transfers compressed or not.
09:20:00	Llorean	I believe you can convince SVN to only download specific files, but I'm not sure how precise it can be. That's something to read in the SVN documentation
09:20:40	alex0008	Llorean: But if I want to use SVN, that's how I have to aquire the source - right? I can't just download the tarball, and somehow point SVN at it?
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09:23:14	Llorean	There'd be no way to pick and choose at all with the tarball anyway.
09:23:45	alex0008	yeah, but I think it would still be faster
09:26:47	Llorean	Why?
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09:29:29	alex0008	Llorean: I have an old 7z of r18021, and unpacked it's ~108MB
09:31:51	Llorean	alex0008: What I've read suggests SVN can send compressed, so the unpacked size isn't totally meaningful.
09:32:36	alex0008	awesome. Thanks guys.
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10:33:40	bluebrother	linuxstb: around?
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10:48:43	bluebrother	linuxstb: with your binary it seems to read the first page of the xml correctly, afterwards only garbage. When building myself it only reads zeros, thus the xml has a length of zero
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11:13:44	orc	hi
11:13:57	orc	please help me
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11:14:32	orc	i cant build gdb(
11:14:51	orc	my system ubuntu 8.04.1
11:14:58	n1s	orc: how is that related to rockbox?
11:15:17	orc	i install termcap, but configure: error: no termcap library found
11:16:00	linuxstb	bluebrother: Thanks - that's what midgey reported with my binary too.
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11:16:39	orc	termcap.h is /usr/include
11:16:59	bluebrother	linuxstb: is there a difference between your binary and the diff? I find it rather strange that building myself gives different results
11:17:03	orc	why compiler dont find this?
11:18:07	orc	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
11:18:44	orc	where is my error?
11:18:51	linuxstb	bluebrother: Let me upload a fresh diff - there have been a few changes...
11:19:14	bluebrother	orc: do you have some connection to the target that will enable you to debug on-target at all?
11:20:00	linuxstb	bluebrother: linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/ipodpatcher-sginq.diff">http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/ipodpatcher-sginq.diff
11:20:28	orc	understand( my english so bad
11:20:58	orc	what mind connections to the target?
11:21:10	linuxstb	Annoyingly, it looks like Linux is happy to do a SCSI inquiry on a device opened readonly, but Windows needs it to be opened r/w. (ipodpatcher only opens the ipod as r/w when needed)
11:21:10	bluebrother	usually JTAG
11:21:22	orc	no? why?
11:21:38	orc	i want compile bootloader?
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11:21:56	orc	why JTAG?
11:22:38	Toni1	gevaerts: Two comments on the current PP USB initialization:
11:22:59	Toni1	(1) The OF uses a "for(i=0; i<2; i++)" loop instead of udelay(10) between register writes.
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11:23:24	Toni1	At the end you do a "while (inl(0x70000028) & 0x80)", but the OF does "while ((inl(0x70000028) & 0x80) != 0)"
11:23:46	amiconn	That's the same thing...
11:24:06	Toni1	while ((inl(0x70000028) & 0x80) == 0);
11:24:15	Toni1	in the OF
11:24:42	Toni1	I don't really believe, but it might be related to the unspected USB disconnects?
11:24:54	bluebrother	linuxstb: now it detects a mini2g 64MB :)
11:25:15	bluebrother	orc: if you want to debug on the host you don't need to build gdb −− that comes with your distro
11:25:27	linuxstb	bluebrother: That's fun ;) Is it reading the entire XML file?
11:25:33	bluebrother	if you want to cross-debug you need a debug connection to the target. This is usually a jtag.
11:25:52	bluebrother	linuxstb: don't think so −− it's still claiming 860 Bytes (like before)
11:26:01	bluebrother	let me dump the xml ...
11:26:25	bluebrother	seems again to be broken after the first page
11:26:43	bluebrother	orc: and for building the compilers we have a nice script in svn anyway
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11:28:24	linuxstb	bluebrother: Can you add a "printf("npages=%d\n",npages"); after line 1424 in ipodpatcher.c (i.e. just after npages is assigned a value).
11:29:28	linuxstb	The first call to ipod_scsi_inquiry gets the page containing the list of other pages. Then it reads each page. So it means the first two scsi inquries are working.
11:30:32	bluebrother	npages = 10
11:31:33	bluebrother	sounds correct to me
11:32:58	linuxstb	It's smaller than other ipods
11:33:29	linuxstb	e.g. the ipod video has 39 pages
11:34:03	bluebrother	yes, but that is correct. At least I've seen less pages yesterday
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11:35:35	linuxstb	Maybe it's a memory alignment thing - in that ipod_get_xmlinfo function, try making the two arrays 256 bytes, but replace sizeof(hdr) and sizeof(buf) with 255 in the calls to ipod_scsi_inquiry()
11:35:58	bluebrother	sg_inq returns 0x0a as 4th byte
11:36:03	linuxstb	(or otherwise align them if you're better at that than me...)
11:36:08	bluebrother	so the 10 is correct
11:36:26	linuxstb	OK. I guess the mini doesn't have as many features (video, album-art etc)
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11:39:50	linuxstb	bluebrother: BTW, I managed to borrow my g/f's Macbook last night, and had a quick go at the OS X code to do this. The sample code I found works, but I didn't manage to work out how to map between the /dev/diskN device that ipodpatcher uses and the "io_service_t" handle that the SCSI code needs. But I'm sure it's possible.
11:40:07	bluebrother	linuxstb: I've put the xml output online: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/mini-2g.xml
11:40:36	linuxstb	bluebrother: This is dumped in Linux?
11:40:48	bluebrother	yes, with the mini in EDM
11:41:22	bluebrother	(having a second machine around can be quite handy at times ;-)
11:42:16	linuxstb	bluebrother: OK, so the high-level code is definitely fine, there is just something wrong with the win32 ipod_scsi_inquiry()...
11:44:33	linuxstb	bluebrother: Have you tried changing the buffer sizes?
11:44:46	bluebrother	not yet.
11:45:30	linuxstb	It seems the WIndows sample code also passes some different flags when calling CreateFileA() to open the disk device - so that's something else we can try.
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11:47:07	bluebrother	changing the buffer size didn't help
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11:49:06	linuxstb	OK, try going to ipod_reopen_rw() in ipodio-win32.c and replace FILE_FLAG_WRITE_THROUGH \| FILE_FLAG_NO_BUFFERING with 0
11:51:25	bluebrother	ok, I just tried dumping the buffer after the inquiry and it seems to contain no useful data.
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11:51:55	bluebrother	ipod_scsi_inquiry() seems to get called with 0x00 as page after the second call
11:53:09	linuxstb	So it's perhaps overwriting the contents of the hdr[] array?
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11:53:53	linuxstb	You could try replacing hdr[i+4] in the call the ipod_scsi_inquiry with "0xc2 + i"
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11:55:28	bluebrother	ok, that did the trick
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11:55:59	linuxstb	:-) But that doesn't make any sense...
11:56:40	bluebrother	no, but it works :)
11:56:48	linuxstb	Did you change the ipod_reopen_rw() function, or is that still as SVN??
11:57:09	bluebrother	I didn't change that
11:57:19	linuxstb	OK, good. And it should now not display any RAMSIZE for your mini?
11:57:40	linuxstb	(only newer ipods expose a RAM size)
11:57:59	bluebrother	it displays 64MB again. Seems I have more RAM now :)
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11:58:28	linuxstb	Hmm, then there's some logic broken in either ipod_get_ramsize, or where it displays that value...
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12:00:07	linuxstb	bluebrother: Can you add "*p = 0;" after the for loop in ipod_get_xmlinfo() ?
12:00:22	alex0008	I just finished a full SVN checkout using a dial-up connection. Total size: 38MB Time: 2hrs 20min.
12:00:50	linuxstb	Ouch... But at least "svn update" should now be faster than downloading a new copy of the source.
12:01:07	alex0008	yep
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12:02:17	alex0008	I love this program, and open source. This is fun.
12:02:39	bluebrother	linuxstb: ipod_get_ramsize() doesn't set the value if the key is not detected. Setting it to 0 makes that work
12:03:00	bluebrother	looks like windows uses different initialization values for the struct
12:03:11	linuxstb	bluebrother: Hmm, OK, then I should set that somewhere else. I thought the struct was memset to zero.
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12:03:53	bluebrother	it might be a good idea to memset that to zero. At least I can't see it being done somewhere in main()
12:04:21	linuxstb	Does rbutil do that as well?
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12:04:56	bluebrother	hmm. Good question.
12:05:28	bluebrother	no, it does not.
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12:13:42	*	bluebrother wonders if the macpod bug also appears on windows
12:17:41	bluebrother	hmm. At least that struct member is always filled in unless an error occured, and the old bootloader installation didn't zero the struct as well. So at least nothing that could explain the issue
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12:23:43	casainho	hello again :-)
12:24:06	casainho	I think I am with a bug on GCC, can someone please see this code? :: http://pastebin.com/m7a8f6165
12:24:57	linuxstb	bluebrother: OK, thanks for debugging this. I need to do other things for a few hours, but hope to commit this soon...
12:25:53	bluebrother	linuxstb: you're welcome. I might gdb the buffer issue later, let's see what comes around for eating time :)
12:27:29	casainho	r3 is getting a different value than the 0x2002b98c and then PC goes to an location that don't have code, which then happens the undefined instruction code :-(
12:29:05	casainho	is a GCC bug, no?
12:29:16	bluebrother	and why is this a gcc bug?
12:30:21	casainho	well, R3 gets a wrong value, always the same wrong value...
12:30:40	bluebrother	but why should this be a gcc bug?
12:31:05	casainho	if gcc put the wrong value on R3 but the code is for another value, no?
12:31:05	bluebrother	the asm code it generates looks fine as far as I can see. The cpu doing different things is another thing
12:31:30	bluebrother	well, what value does it load? It doesn't load a fixed number, so it depends
12:33:16	casainho	it loads all the time the same value, I rebboted the board a few times, etc −− I am uploading a short video showing it
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12:33:55	casainho	can you please give a look here? :: http://blip.tv/file/get/Jpcasainho-r3Wrong243.mp4
12:34:57	casainho	the value that goes to R3 is: 0x200d5ed4
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12:36:28	casainho	does anyone have the idea why R3 gets always a wrong value?
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12:37:24	casainho	bluebrother: you can see here: http://jpcasainho.blip.tv/file/1879834/
12:38:09	bluebrother	nice. "Click here to download plugin". No thanks, I don't want to install quicktime
12:38:15	casainho	bluebrother: for online view flash version: http://blip.tv/file/1879834?filename=Jpcasainho-r3Wrong542.flv
12:38:31	casainho	it's just end right now the conversion to flash
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12:41:20	casainho	bluebrother: so, do you have any idea?
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12:44:27	alex0008	I saw this advice on the forum "altering gwps-common.c, in the function play_hop(). Add audio_next(); before the first return." That way if the skip length is less then remaining time, playback skips to the next song. There is no longer play_hop() in gwps-common.c. Where do I put the audio_next() ?
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12:55:42	alex0008	what changes require re-running /tools/configure −− if I already have a makefile?
12:58:20	alex0008	I found play_hop() −− it's in gwps.c
12:59:38	alex0008	all I changed was to add the audio_next() to play_hop() −− can I just make, or do I have to run configure again?
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14:43:14	bluebrother	linuxstb: I figured why the buffer gets trashed :)
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14:44:52	bluebrother	you simply memcpy() the output of the DeviceIoControl() and use the number of bytes provided by that call. That call returns 332 bytes in my case, thus overwriting memory ...
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14:47:05	bluebrother	so simply copy only up to bufsize bytes and it worked for me :)
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15:00:58	linuxstb	bluebrother: Hmm, I don't understand how it can return 332 bytes... Which page_code was that for? The first one?
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15:03:55	bluebrother	yes, but when printing the value of returned it's always 322 −− except for the last page
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16:39:25	fred_99	hi, do you know a soft under linux to read the rockbox database files (*.tcd)
16:42:35	rasher	fred_99: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagcacheDBFormat#Tools
16:43:19	fred_99	rasher: thanks
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17:03:38	jethro	is it at all possible to put rockbox on a phillips gogear?
17:04:19	fred_99	rasher: when I run the rbdb.py script, my computer nearly hang up and it uses a maximum disk ressources, is it normal ?
17:04:34	rasher	jethro: It's possible on some, but they're not officially supported yet. Though I think the port is reasonably advanced
17:04:47	rasher	fred_99: I have no idea. I just know of the existance of those tools
17:05:01	fred_99	rasher: ok thanks
17:05:06	jethro	so i just go by the manual on the site and install it normally?
17:05:19	jethro	do i need to find the specific port?
17:05:25	rasher	jethro: no, you need to find the wiki pages about the gogear port
17:05:36	jethro	alright thanks alot
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17:19:55	jethro	i cant seem to find the wiki pages for the gogear port
17:20:30	soap	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebSearch?search=gogear&scope=text
17:20:47	soap	gives you three to start
17:21:03	jethro	thx
17:22:38	soap	Forums:Search:Advanced Search:"gogear":Search in topic subjects only:Choose a board to search in:New Ports
17:23:08	soap	Will bring up the six New Ports threads.
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17:51:26	fred_99	do you know where "Recently Added" from the database are stored ?
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17:56:39	Slasheri	fred_99: recently added tracks are searched by comparing the track's commit id to the current (increasing) commit id of the database
17:58:39	fred_99	Slasheri: thanks
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19:09:38	soap	What codecs does Rockbox not support ReplayGain on?
19:12:41	linuxstb	I guess things like WAV/AIFF (no metadata at all afaik), and the game/mod formats
19:13:24	linuxstb	Others should all be covered by id3v2, APEv2, vorbis comments or mp4.
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19:14:03	linuxstb	We don't support metadata on ac3 either.
19:14:21	linuxstb	(I think...) This is all from memory.
19:14:37	soap	The HA.org Replay Gain wiki page needs fixed regarding Rockbox - and I didn't know where to look for a list of the codecs which do and which do not support replaygain on Rockbox.
19:15:15	linuxstb	The source ;)
19:15:35	soap	Not knowing how replaygain in implemented in rockbox doesn't help me.
19:15:40	soap	I'll look into it.
19:17:58	linuxstb	searching for "replaygain" in apps/metadata/ gives matches in "asf.c" (WMA), mp3.c (MPEG audio - i.e. id3v2), mp4.c (i.e. AAC and ALAC) and mpc.c (it seems musepack stores replaygain itself, not in the normal tags).
19:18:58	linuxstb	Plus ape.c (APEv2 - Monkey's and Wavpack) and vorbis.c (FLAC and Ogg/Vorbis) have it.
19:21:15	linuxstb	So that seems to be the list - WMA, MP1/2/3, AAC, ALAC, Musepack, Monkey's Audio, Wavpack, FLAC and vorbis
19:21:35	soap	yes, as I understand it replaygain stores the information in the mpc gain header (i assume this works like MP3gain's implementation?)
19:22:11	soap	I was getting there - but I appreciate your work.
19:22:29	linuxstb	It's worth two people looking...
19:22:45	rasher	linuxstb: I have some ipodxml stuff on rasher.dk/rockbox/ipodxml/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ipodxml/
19:24:15	linuxstb	It's a crazy XML format...
19:24:33	rasher	That's why I made that page :)
19:24:44	rasher	Some sort of frankenxml
19:24:59	soap	It appears Winamp is want to store replaygain values in APEv2 tags on AAC files. Seems intentionaly broken. I'll look into that.
19:25:46	soap	ditto foobar.
19:26:39	linuxstb	That's even more broken than ape tags in mp3 files. At least mp3 doesn't have any "native" tags.
19:26:48	rasher	Where does Rockbox read replaygain for AAC?
19:26:56	linuxstb	From the mp4 container metadata.
19:27:05	linuxstb	(afaik)
19:27:09	rasher	It has something suitable for storing rg?
19:28:03	linuxstb	I think it has what are called "extra" tags, which are simply key=value
19:28:21	rasher	Ah, like TXXX
19:28:45	linuxstb	If you say so, I've no idea what they are.
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19:29:15	rasher	The same thing for ID3v2
19:31:32	linuxstb	rasher: Going back to your frankenpod - is just an empty iPod_Control directory enough?
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19:43:54	rasher	bluebrother: Was it a 2G green Mini?
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19:44:26	bluebrother	rasher: yes.
19:44:29	rasher	I don't think there's any harm in revealing the serial number - what would it be?
19:44:55	bluebrother	no, I don't think it's an issue either.
19:45:03	rasher	Besides, the serial number makes it possible to identify it :)
19:45:18	rasher	The last 3 characters are unique to a specific model
19:45:33	bluebrother	true. If I ever loose my mini I can lookup the the serial at your page :)
19:46:20	bluebrother	now that page misses displaying the color of my ipod :D
19:47:02	rasher	Does it?
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19:48:12	rasher	I see: Ipod Mini 2G (4GiB Green) firmware version 1.4.1
19:48:52	rasher	Ah, it doesn't show it when you upload it
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19:49:33	rasher	If you reload the page it's listed at the top
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19:55:07	dmb	do they sell any color ipods that run rockbox very cheap anywhere?
19:55:14	dmb	for like under $100
19:55:19	dionoea	ebay?
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20:02:35	bluebrother	rasher: that page is wrong −− my mini is 32GB :)
20:03:22	rasher	I suspect that's now how it was born
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20:11:34	*	n1s wonders how FS #10025 is a bug, it doesn't seem to state a problm and it doesn't seem like a feature request either really...
20:12:20	rasher	I think it's meant as a feature request to add Apple TTS
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20:13:18	rasher	But a good idea. Just need someone with a mac to do..
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20:13:34	n1s	sure
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20:54:54	vmx	hi. i get an error message right after booting rockbox: "at 0000013e (0)". what could be wrong.
20:55:40	vmx	rochbox as updated quite a while ago, then this error occured. i tried to update with a current nighly, but it's still there
20:55:56	vmx	i forgot to mention that it is a rockbox c200
20:56:09	vmx	s/rockbox/sansa
20:58:03	Llorean	There's more to the error message than that.
20:58:20	Llorean	It's usually "Something happened at address" and the first half matters too
20:58:29	vmx	it's a grey bar
20:58:43	vmx	where the first line would be
20:58:51	vmx	perhaps it is because the display is flipped
20:59:32	Llorean	have you tried resetting settings?
20:59:51	vmx	i guess i should rtfm first
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21:05:20	Llorean	soap: Maybe we should announce the release _freeze_ with a list of what targets that release will be for, in the future?
21:05:29	Llorean	It seems every time a release rolls around, people want to know if it will be adding targets.
21:09:30	soap	I would not be shocked if there is a significant number of people who do not currently own a Rockbox target who only check in once in a while. I would also find it easy to believe this subset has their curiosity tweaked by the announcement of a pending release.
21:11:04	Llorean	Well, there's also just the simple trend of "release" meaning "new features not yet available to the public" for commercial software.
21:11:16	Llorean	Letting people know what to expect from the release two weeks before wouldn't be bad.
21:11:34	soap	For many of these people, even those with some familiarity regarding OSS projects, the idea that everything (which works) in the pipeline is released daily would be confusing.
21:12:26	soap	Yea - you just got to the point I was going to make. Unlike many other OSS projects Rockbox's releases come with no suprises. Nothing which hasn't already been seen by even the most casual of the masses.
21:13:06	linuxstb	Wouldn't having a "freeze" announcement, followed by a "release" announcement just dilute the publicity though?
21:13:39	soap	Is one of the goals of the release cycle to gain some publicity?
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21:15:35	Llorean	linuxstb: Well, the releases are scheduled now.
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21:15:46	Llorean	There's really no publicity in a release arguably everyone new about half a year ago.
21:15:55	Llorean	As long as we keep on following our schedule, we're self-diluting.
21:16:15	Llorean	If we want publicity, we need something interesting enough for each release that we can send out press-release style things to drum up attention.
21:16:22	soap	dither the release schedule!
21:16:27	linuxstb	soap: IMO, yes - if we go to the trouble of a release, we want people to know...
21:17:55	soap	On a pratical level, though, how do we sell the release? I'm guilty of this myself, but first answer to almost any problem a user is having with the release is "try a current build". It isn't like we have a Long Term Support policy regarding them.
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21:18:45	Llorean	soap: I don't think we really need to be "selling" the release. Asking people to update to fix problems is no big deal
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21:19:12	Llorean	The release still seems to be good enough for 70-80% probably unless we leave a major bug in. And beyond that, it's at least a very good starting point for people who don't want to risk cutting edge code.
21:19:26	soap	Well, if we can't define what it is we're "selling" - how do we whip up publicity for it?
21:20:33	linuxstb	We're selling the new features and optimisations...
21:23:24	Llorean	soap: I think we can sell "3.2" specifically because we _don't_ sell the current builds.
21:23:37	soap	I get that - and I'm not trying to be obtuse - just trying to figure this out.
21:23:40	Llorean	Even if we tell people to upgrade after, when we advertise, "3.2" is where we added IAP, not some random build between.
21:23:52	Llorean	It will still be in the list of 3.2 features.
21:23:53	soap	Why shouldn't I, as Joe average, use a "current build"?
21:23:58	Llorean	No reason you shouldn't.
21:24:22	Llorean	But many Joe Averages don't want to try development builds, or like "release" or version numbers. It's reassuring.
21:24:36	Llorean	In my mind at least, 95% of the reason to have release builds is just psychological. People like them, for whatever reason.
21:24:48	Llorean	And because you can say "3.2 adds (giant list of features)" rather than having a trickle.
21:24:52	Llorean	It's the frog again.
21:25:25	Llorean	For some people, we're throwing them into a boiling pot every time we bring out a release. Shiny new stuff.
21:25:34	Llorean	Because they don't want to track current builds and see what's changing. So it's exciting.
21:26:25	soap	Ok, I can see that. 3.2 is aimed at a different audience than those who frequent the forums or IRC.
21:26:32	Llorean	That's how it is in my mind at least.
21:26:57	Llorean	There's a "current build" audience, then there's a "release audience" and there's no reason not to tell release people the current build is an upgrade if it'll solve their problems.
21:27:46	soap	That makes it a lot more crystal in my mind. I've been struggling with "how to sell 3.2", but I think it is because I was picturing the wrong target audience.
21:29:07	Llorean	To me at least, the goal of releases is to bring a new audience in, not offer something to our existing one.
21:29:12	*	linuxstb wonders if the owners of the download servers would let Bagder rsync their logs so we (Bagder ;)) could produce some download stats...
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21:31:26	Llorean	Stats would be neat.
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21:42:43	Horschti	how would I go about compiling the tools/database program with minGW?
21:43:18	Horschti	I already have a build environment and I also isntalled mingw. "make" creates a linux binary without any error reports
21:43:34	Llorean	Horschti: If you're not using one of our recommended compiling methods, it's more or less your job to work out the new one you want to come up with.
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21:43:40	Horschti	now, I want a windows .exe
21:43:57	gevaerts	Horschti: I expect CC=i586-mingw32msvc-cc make
21:44:17	Horschti	let me try
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21:49:04	Horschti	well, it does something but building seems to fail. Are there any precompiled binaries of this tool?
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21:55:05	linuxstb	Horschti: I don't know if that tool even works - no-one has really worked on it recently... But I've just tried "CC=i586-mingw32msvc-cc make" and it fails because I haven't got the Windows SDL installed... (I've no idea why it needs SDL)
21:56:55	Horschti	k, i'll investigate further...
21:57:02	Horschti	thank you
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22:48:28	casainho	hello :-) −− I have a problem on this piece of code: http://pastebin.com/m7a8f6165
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22:49:23	casainho	doing JTAG debug, I see that r3 is getting a different value than the 0x2002b98c and then PC goes to an location that don't have code, which then happens the undefined instruction code :-(
22:50:01	casainho	I have a little video of debug session showing it: http://blip.tv/file/1879834?filename=Jpcasainho-r3Wrong542.flv
22:50:11	casainho	can someone help me?
22:56:40	linuxstb	casainho: That code looks fine - it is putting the contents of memory location 0x2002b98c into r3, not 0x2002b98c itself.
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22:58:17	casainho	linuxstb: realy? is just that? ;-) :-)
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22:59:52	casainho	oh, I thought the problem I am having of firmware hanging was because of that... but it hangs really near that code... −− I will now try to catch it :-) −− thank you :-)
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23:11:01	casainho	linuxstb: my problem is at this dissasembled code: http://pastebin.com/m61a2573c
23:11:21	casainho	do you think that code is ok? −− it's wrong, no??
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23:13:48	casainho	that code belongs to BSS section, which means is ok, at 0 values... but PC jumps to there... is strange for me to understand
23:20:19	casainho	on this line of code: int spinup = ata_spinup_time();
23:21:51	casainho	I am seeing the PC jumping to address of BSS, which have a value of 0. So PC jumps to the address of a variable with name "ata_spinup_time".
23:22:53	casainho	and after that, PC never returns again..., it is like if it was going to a wrong address, here: http://pastebin.com/m61a2573c
23:23:00	gevaerts	casainho: ata_spinup_time is a function, not a variable
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23:23:33	casainho	gevaerts: so, can you please give a look at this disassembled code: http://pastebin.com/m61a2573c ??
23:24:15	casainho	you will see there that variable, which have value 0 and is at BSS section........
23:24:41	gevaerts	casainho: is your code up to date? Before r18960, it was a variable
23:24:59	casainho	oh man!!! :-(
23:25:26	casainho	no, my code is not updated, because I get problems when doing SVN update :-(
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23:25:43	linuxstb	You need to solve those problems...
23:25:56	linuxstb	Especially if you would like to commit your code to SVN one day.
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23:26:29	casainho	my version is: http://pastebin.com/m61a2573c
23:26:46	casainho	sorry:: 19939
23:27:17	casainho	well, we are working on a simple patch, just with kernel_init, and with the new name "Lyre" :-)
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23:28:33	casainho	can't someone help me resolving the conflits?
23:30:03	linuxstb	Only if you say what they are...
23:30:09	stripwax	if your patch is small, you could just revert to the svn version and reapply your patch..
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23:30:55	Bagder	casainho: it a good idea is to svn up every now and then and simply fix the conflicts, that way you always have a fine patch in sync
23:31:46	linuxstb	I would say do it as often as you can - at least once a day. If a particular commit causes you problems, you can ask whoever committed it for help.
23:32:06	casainho	because I can't have on config files the name of my target at last, becuase some one is always adding another on that line....
23:32:23	linuxstb	"always" ?
23:32:30	casainho	my problem now is on scramble.c
23:32:38	casainho	ok, not always :-)
23:32:43	Bagder	then you should work harder to get the patch applied in svn...
23:33:04	casainho	yes, but that task is with another developer now....
23:34:01	casainho	okok −− I will resolv the conflits now.
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23:40:15	AlHaz	Is there someone present who can explain cuesheet support in more detail than the blurb in the manual? It doesn't seem to work for me. I'm sure I've probably done something wrong, but the manual doesn't really expand on "if a cuesheet is found for a track"
23:40:46	AlHaz	I have apparently failed to meet the qualifiers for that "if", but said qualifiers are not stated.
23:41:32	linuxstb	There is nothing to explain - it looks for a .cue file with the same name as the audio file, and if it is found you will see track marks in the progress bar in the WPS, and you can skip to the next/prev tracks with left/right
23:41:58	AlHaz	I have long_file_name.ape and long_file_name.ape.cue
23:42:19	linuxstb	It should be long_file_name.cue
23:42:22	AlHaz	ok
23:42:31	AlHaz	It would be neat if the manual said so.
23:42:40	linuxstb	Patches to the manual are welcome ;)
23:43:29	linuxstb	If you think something in the manual can be improved, just open a flyspray task and say what you think needs changing. Or ideally, provide a patch to the latex source code.
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23:45:23	bluebrother	casainho: I'm surprised to not see other developers working on Lyre in this channel.
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23:47:14	casainho	bluebrother: well, I think Tomas Loyd did come here sometimes... at least he told me.
23:48:12	casainho	other developer, Alex Cantos, is a hardware guy, we couldn't commit to our SVN... maybe he is not used to IRC, this kind of softwaere development
23:48:52	casainho	the other one, Héctor is a guy from Java, he told me that he builds everytime the rockbox source for his ipod
23:49:11	casainho	Héctor have the task of making that first simple patch
23:49:27	casainho	and we are no more developers :-)
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23:49:53	casainho	to say the true, I think I am the only one that have development board working, running the code...
23:50:35	casainho	Tomas also put his board working before, however he have some problems on his healthy so most part of time he is away from the project...
23:51:59	bluebrother	well, IMO it would be helpful if those guys would show up more often here as that's the place were development happens
23:52:34	bluebrother	but that's my opinion −− I also somewhat have the impression that those guys prefer to do "their own thing". Which isn't a good move IMO.
23:52:39	bluebrother	but that's just my impression
23:55:16	casainho	bluebrother: Tomas just help before on making a script to run a specific program to uplaod code for our ARM...
23:55:47	casainho	Alex Cantos just designed the exapansion board (pure hadrware)
23:55:57	casainho	and I am working on the code....
23:56:35	casainho	that's why I think none of them feel the need to come here... since here people are more from firmware, right?

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