#rockbox 2009-03-20

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#rockbox log for 2009-03-20

00:00:42	rasher	Looks like there should be 41 changes.
00:01:49	*	BigBambi got 10
00:03:02	BigBambi	+another 25
00:03:18	rasher	There we go
00:03:25	casainho	hello :-) −− I am trying to play music files, and when I press play button, I see on LCD the name of file, directory, etc, but time never go further... and I am seeing that my pcm_play_dma_start() is never called any time, so, I think music don't plays because of that
00:03:48	casainho	does anyone knows what it is never called?
00:04:29	casainho	and I see the scroll_thread and fillbuffer_thread running...
00:05:31	n1s	casainho: maybe start at the place that should call that function and work your way backwards through the program flow?
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00:06:52	casainho	n1s: ok, thanks. I will need to do that :-)
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00:15:30	*	freqmod_qu tested the bank switching patch (from the forum) on his 4gb sansa clip , and it worked great
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00:50:29	Kohlrabi	Hello, I just registered for the TWiki, how do I get write permissions?
00:52:56	rasher	You ask nicely. What is your wiki name?
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00:54:12	Kohlrabi	ChristophTerasa
00:55:06	Kohlrabi	May I get access, please please please with rainbow sprinkles on top?!?!
00:57:07	rasher	Kohlrabi: done
00:57:40	Kohlrabi	rasher: thank you
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01:42:49	Adola	Hi! I want to put rockbox on my ipod (5th gen) BUT, I need to figure something out first. I keep asking on Yahoo Answers, but, I get no reply. I have a zune 30gb witha broke screen, but, the HDD works fine. The 5th gen ipod needs a HDD I BELIEVE. Can I stick the Zune HDD in the iPod?
01:44:02	Unhelpful	Adola: that depends entirely on the drive. they'll need to have the same interface (there are several used by various portable devices) and, if you want everything to fit into the case again, be the same dimensions as well.
01:44:59	Adola	Well, has anyone ever heard of this kind of "mod" taking place? I HAVE heard of it working from another person. However, I can't find documentation.
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01:48:38	Unhelpful	you're doing something rather uncommon, most people needing a replacement hard drive take it from another matching device, or buy a compatible drive by itself. i wouldn't expect to find somebody who already knows if they're compatible, there just aren't going to be that many people who would care.
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01:50:01	Adola	Well, I only have such an idea as a search on ebay will for "30 GB 5th gen Harddrives" will bring up something that says "Zune/ipod 30gb"
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04:25:38	glitched	Hello to all the Rockbox coders/etc
04:25:50	glitched	I come to you not with a problem, but with a thank you.
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04:26:15	glitched	I recently soldered my Sansa c200 back into working order, and then I heard of Rockbox.
04:26:42	glitched	So at the thought of running DOOM on my toyish mp3 player, I squeeled with a nerds delight.
04:26:56	glitched	I followed the instructions, installed it, and everything is working perfectly.
04:27:28	glitched	So thanks a lot, you guys made my day, and added a lot more life to my 2 year old mp3 player.
04:27:30	glitched	peace
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05:05:34	JdGordon	anyone awake with a hard disk target and doesnt mind testing a patch?
05:06:08	rvvs89	JdGordon: Would that include iPod targets?
05:06:17	rvvs89	ie, 5G
05:06:30	JdGordon	yes
05:06:55	rvvs89	I'd be happy to test
05:07:27	rvvs89	But I don't have a build environment for Rockbox, if that's required
05:07:41	JdGordon	i'll do a build for you
05:08:19	JdGordon	5G is the video build yeah?
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05:08:28	rvvs89	Yeah
05:08:34	rvvs89	30GB
05:08:41	rvvs89	5.5G
05:09:13	JdGordon	pm me an email adress to send the .zip to
05:11:20	JdGordon	its a playback patch, so have a play with it, listen to different codecs (mp3, ogg, flac if you have) and let me know if you find any wierdness
05:12:29	JdGordon	rvvs89: email sent, thanks
05:13:46	rvvs89	No worries
05:16:43	rvvs89	Damn slow mail server
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05:24:58	rvvs89	What kind of weirdness should I be looking out for?
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05:29:41	rvvs89	It all seems to be working fine
05:29:46	rvvs89	With all those codecs
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05:51:56	JdGordon	rvvs89: if you can, leave that build on for a while and just watch out for any playback wierdness... hopefully nothing happens
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07:36:17	Grant-A	hello
07:36:35	Grant-A	I was looking into installing rockbox, but I noticed that there I many codecs in itthat I do not need
07:37:00	Grant-A	is there a way to make it only play WAV, FLAC, and OGG Vorbis?
07:37:17	JdGordon	yes, just ignore the rest
07:37:35	Grant-A	well, I mean removing them from the install
07:37:39	Grant-A	is this possible?
07:37:41	JdGordon	dont bother
07:37:44	JdGordon	there is no need
07:37:48	Llorean	Grant-A: It's possible, but why do it? It just costs a tiny amount of disk space
07:38:09	Llorean	If you really must, just delete the .codec files, but be aware it'll still add them to playlists it'll just fail to play them when it reaches them.
07:38:27	Lss	me too i cant see any reason for that
07:38:35	Grant-A	ah, thank you very much :D
07:38:54	Lss	kind of weird usually people ask for format support lol
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07:54:46	zwj	the openmoko has its sdl support, is making the rockbox as a application to openmoko just like what blackhawk did for moto phone?
07:56:34	Llorean	zwj: I haven't looked at exactly what blackhawk did, but my understanding is that he basically just got an iPod simulator running on it.
07:57:23	Llorean	The focus really needs to go into making it a standalone application, rather than maintaining the regular simulator stuff. A lot of things we do in the sim don't necessarily make sense for a standalone app, and as a SoC project the work should also include effort to make it easier to make future as-an-app targets.
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08:01:29	Unhelpful	on phones and the like, a sim-like as-an-app might make sense, with an SDL surface for the display, and mapping the device buttons to rockbox actions. the sim could be a good start toward this...
08:02:12	Llorean	Unhelpful: Yeah, but as a GSoC project it needs to be more than that probably
08:02:21	zwj	ao, i donnot carefully read the rockbox code, in my opinion, it should be different when the target run the linux or windows
08:02:43	Llorean	Unhelpful: I mean the sim does threading stuff and buffering stuff that we probably don't want handled the same way in an "as an app" situation as when it's being a testbed.
08:04:10	Unhelpful	well, actually, the threading stuff probably needs to stay the same - there's more than a little code that relies on cooperative threading.
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08:05:13	Unhelpful	things like not locking data structures shared between threads, because neither thread yields while they're not in a consistent state, etc
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08:13:21	rvvs89	JdGordon: Sorry, I had to go, I'll start it playing now
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08:19:21	zwj	Lloreanl:What way do you think is a better way to do it as a stonelone application? donont use SDL?
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08:25:11	Llorean	zwj: SDL is available, but the idea is to make it flexible enough that adapting it to os-native UI widgets should be as easy as possible. The idea with "as an app" as a SoC project is less about a single application version, and more about preparing it for other people to make multiple other application versions (in places where SDL may not be an option)
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08:37:11	zwj	you mean make the application more modle for the target, and make it easy to adapt to other platform as a stone application
08:38:34	Llorean	I'm not sure what you're saying.
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08:46:09	zwj	i mean making a framwork for the "as an app" that is less depended on OS
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08:51:10	Llorean	zwj: Right now "simulators" are based on a 'real' physical player. When you build Rockbox you pick which player, then whether you want to build the device version or the simulator version.
08:52:13	Vmwaretester	hey, is anyone there using scorche's new vmware image? i am confused with the samba sharing http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21010.0 . where do i find "Map Network Drive..." ?
08:52:18	Llorean	Rockbox changes many things if it's being built for a "simulator" some of which will be necessary for an application version, some won't. So a lot of it is cleaning this up.
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08:52:42	Llorean	Vmwaretester: Depends on your OS. That's not really Rockbox-specific though, you can probably find more help in Google, faster.
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08:52:51	Vmwaretester	ty
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08:55:10	Bagderr	rasher: I see all those commit mails finally came through to -cvs ...
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09:01:48	zwj	Llorean: ok , thank you. i will read the rockbox code for more information about the "simulatou"
09:02:43	B4gder	rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator ?
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09:10:53	zwj	B4gder:yeah, thanks
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11:15:02	B4gder	how's the progress Casainho?
11:15:16	Casainho	on my code, I made the audio drivers, however, I can't see the start of DMA transfer
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11:18:30	Casainho	B4gder: I can't see the void play_start_pcm() being called?? why?
11:18:46	Casainho	I don't see any progress on time bar of the music being played...
11:21:24	Casainho	shouldn't the firmware call the void play_start_pcm() everytime?
11:21:34	Casainho	or at least one time at begin?
11:22:42	Casainho	because I am putting a break point there and I don't see the program break there. But for example, I see program calling pcm_play_dma_init() one time, right at begin.
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13:13:12	*	amiconn is irritated by the latest change to the SoundCodecs wiki page
13:15:46	gevaerts	the mpeg/mp3 thing?
13:15:50	amiconn	yes
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13:17:43	gevaerts	that bit should be reverted I think. The mpc changes seem fine, but not the denial of non-mp3 mpeg
13:18:12	amiconn	Yeah. Why does someone change a correct statement into a wrong one?
13:18:42	markun	maybe we could specify which mpeg audio codecs we are talking about
13:18:51	markun	or which layers
13:19:28	amiconn	Well, all of them
13:19:29	markun	isn't AAC part of mpeg-audio?
13:20:00	amiconn	At least last time I tried, layer 1 and 2 worked (on swcodec, of course)
13:21:44	amiconn	Of course layer 1 is basically dead, but that's not the point. And layer 2 definitely isn't dead
13:23:11	markun	did MPEG-2 bring any changes to the layer 1/3 codecs?
13:23:22	*	gevaerts just put mpeg-audio back. If someone wants to clarify, feel free :)
13:23:51	LambdaCalculus37	markun: From Wikipedia: "AAC has been standardized by ISO and IEC, as part of the MPEG-2 & MPEG-4 specifications."
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13:24:33	amiconn	markun: It brought lower sample frequencies afaik
13:24:59	amiconn	MPEG-1 specifies 32, 44.1 and 48kHz. MPEG-2 added 16, 22.05 and 24kHz
13:25:11	markun	amiconn: so should we specify we're talking about MPEG-2 Layers 1,2,3?
13:25:41	amiconn	We're supporting all of MPEG-1,2 and 2.5 layers 1, 2 and 3
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13:26:38	amiconn	2.5 isn't official afaik, and on the MAS only works for layer 3, not layer 2. It's also called MPEG-2 LSF (8/11.025/12kHz)
13:28:50	*	amiconn also notes that SoundCodecs misses a couple of test results, especially on PP5002
13:29:11	*	amiconn has no idea where to find test files for those exotic formats
13:31:05	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: Speaking of SoundCodecs, any objections to changing the "Realtime on <foo-player>" to, for example, "Realtime on Coldfire", "Realtime on PP502X", "Realtime on PP5002", etc.?
13:32:33	LambdaCalculus37	Especially since we have the Gigabeast, which gives different test results from the F/X, and maybe soon the TMS320 from the m:robe 500 and Telechips targets as well?
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13:59:10	Casainho	hello again :-)
13:59:43	Casainho	actual Rockbox theme, Cabie V2 (I think) do not works correctly on targets with 128x128 pixeis, right?
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14:00:03	B4gder	Casainho: themes only work fine for sizes they're crafted for
14:00:16	B4gder	and afaik, we have no (other) 128x128 target
14:00:25	Casainho	because it do not show correctly the playing screen, however if I choose rockboxxed it works correct on playing screen
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14:01:19	gevaerts	H10/5 is 128x128
14:01:46	B4gder	ah
14:01:58	B4gder	then it should work...
14:02:06	Casainho	ah, because I used the same files of toher target...
14:02:19	B4gder	make zip...
14:02:35	Casainho	B4gder: I did the make zip...
14:02:50	B4gder	and that didn't create/pick the correct themes?
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14:03:11	B4gder	hm, is fullzip needed?
14:03:20	Casainho	can you please see the video at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayer −− that playing screen is not correct, right?
14:03:44	Casainho	I am not sure that the playing screen is correct or not...
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14:04:33	B4gder	that could even be tested with the sim
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14:06:03	Casainho	gevaerts: were you that told me about lower the SPI frequency?
14:06:09	gevaerts	no
14:06:17	Casainho	gevaerts: okok :-)
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14:07:16	Casainho	so, does anyone knows if on that video, the playing screen is correct or wrong? −− it's not equal than on my Sansa E200, however like that LCD is smaller...
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14:09:26	LambdaCalculus37	Casainho: The screen on the e200 is 176x220. That's bigger than what you have.
14:09:56	B4gder	if the config file is right, make zip should pick the right one
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14:10:25	B4gder	buildzip.pl to be specific
14:10:30	gevaerts	Casainho: a screenshot would have been a lot easier than this long video...
14:11:00	gevaerts	Anyway, that looks like the builtin default theme, so something went wrong while loading cabbie.
14:11:21	*	B4gder didn't even look at the video
14:11:57	B4gder	it breaks the impression to people that I actually work...
14:13:14	Casainho	gevaerts: when I choose the rockboxed theme, it's ok on playing screen, just that Cabie V2 is not working.
14:13:44	gevaerts	yes, you said
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14:16:38	sharon	hi all
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14:17:14	sharon	?
14:17:22	sharon	?
14:17:37	LambdaCalculus37	sharon: Do you have a question?
14:17:46	sharon	yes
14:17:57	LambdaCalculus37	Ask away.
14:18:46	sharon	do you know if SANSA FUZE is gonna be supported?(sorry for my bad english)
14:19:13	LambdaCalculus37	A port is in progress, but it's not meant for everyday use.
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14:19:31	LambdaCalculus37	There's still a lot of work to be done, and we don't know when it'll be ready to go.
14:19:42	LambdaCalculus37	The front page will reflect when it's ready for everyday use.
14:19:42	sharon	ok
14:19:59	sharon	ok thanks
14:20:11	LambdaCalculus37	You're welcome.
14:20:40	sharon	becuse i getting one so i wanna know
14:21:13	sharon	*want to know
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14:22:50	petur	LambdaCalculus37: I tried the remote on my h380 but couldn't reproduce your issue, got a clear recipe? Of couse I brought my h380 to work but forgot the remote :)
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14:24:07	LambdaCalculus37	petur: I had my H340 on its dock, plugged into the wall charger. Backlight fade was set to 10 seconds unplugged; 15 plugged in. Backlight fade in/out both were set on.
14:24:35	petur	doc = AC, not USB, right?
14:24:56	petur	I tried with AC connected
14:25:02	petur	used latest SVN
14:25:48	LambdaCalculus37	petur: No, as in the dock for the H300 series. :)
14:26:10	*	LambdaCalculus37 had bought evilnick two pints just for having that dock ;)
14:26:24	petur	hmm I have one for h320 at home somewhere, will try that
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14:28:55	amiconn	LambdaCalculus37: Sounds reasonable, although we might need further splits at some point
14:29:23	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: I'll get started on it in a bit.
14:29:30	amiconn	Btw, especially PP5002 vs. PP5020 vs. PP5022 is an interesting case
14:29:51	amiconn	The 5020 is sometimes the slowest of the three, with unknown reason
14:31:41	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: Yes, I've noticed when benches between my iPod color and my e280 and video are different (video and e200 are faster, of course).
14:32:43	amiconn	For APE, PP5002 and PP5022 performance are practically identical (except the unusable -c5000 due to iram size differences), PP5020 is about 5% slower
14:33:23	amiconn	This is with everything time critical in iram, of course
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14:35:18	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: Should I do a PP5002, PP5020, and PP502X (5021, 5022, 5024) column layout, then? Or just keep it 5002 and 502X for now?
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15:44:35	scorche	was anyone planning on replying to Alex Thompson on the dev ML?...regarding his thoughts on a GSoC project?
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15:46:01	B4gder	he mailed me privately first and I replied something to him, but yeah we need to
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15:46:59	B4gder	I'm in doubt about the Android approach
15:47:17	B4gder	afaik, there's nothing below java that is promised to work
15:48:28	scorche	afaiu, the issue is getting the non-java bits to get to the UI
15:48:36	tmzt	right on android
15:48:51	B4gder	and their codec stuff is already in OpenCore
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15:51:11	Zagor	scorche: btw I got a PO for 2007. I'll send the invoice shortly.
15:51:22	scorche	ah, goodie
15:54:17	B4gder	4 gsoc organizations lists "codec" in their ideas pages...
15:54:29	B4gder	we being one
15:54:50	scorche	that the custom search indexes, at least
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15:58:42	jaykay	i read here in irc some time ago that binsize went down when changing a short to a long to solve the database-32768-limitation
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15:59:17	jaykay	im wondering whether changing all shorts to int could lower the binsize
15:59:28	jaykay	sorry, that should be a question :)
15:59:39	B4gder	in many cases it does, yes
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16:00:07	jaykay	why is rockbox then using shorts?
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16:00:45	B4gder	I _suspect_ that Rockbox is not yet perfect in every sense, but I'm not sure
16:01:19	B4gder	and I said "many cases", not all
16:03:01	tmzt	how does that affect aligned target?
16:03:04	jaykay	will just changing all initialisations of short to int produce errors?
16:03:12	tmzt	targets
16:03:34	B4gder	jaykay: quite likely, yes
16:03:51	B4gder	I bet several if not many shorts are there for a purpose
16:04:09	B4gder	short is not automatically bad
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16:06:16	jaykay	not bad, but if int is better for the binsize...
16:06:29	jaykay	and int shouldnt be worse than short
16:06:45	B4gder	it's not that simple
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16:19:31	linuxstb	jaykay: Someone needs to make the change, test compile for the different CPU architectures and post a patch...
16:23:40	jaykay	linuxstb: i get over 2500 results for "short" in the rockbox-files... and many functions have a name in whish is "short"
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16:47:43	*	kugel can't immediately think of reasons to use short instead of int, but there's probably some
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16:48:27	kugel	sometimes hardware busses are only 16bit wide (would be one reason), but for higher level code?
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16:55:53	bertrik	short uses less RAM
16:56:51	bertrik	especially an array of shorts
16:58:13	bertrik	possibly a short needs more code size than an int because of casting
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16:59:20	evilnick	gevaerts: I noticed that you updated the wiki for sound codecs; is seeking with musepack still problematic? I haven't had any issues with it in months.
16:59:42	bertrik	so I can imagine the choice between short and int is part determined by how much you value RAM size and how much you value code size
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17:09:07	LambdaCalculus37	evilnick: Musepack seeking is working fine here.
17:10:04	evilnick	Probably just a relic from the time when it wasn't then. There are so many places to try to keep up-to-date that it's unsurprising to see some fall through the gasp
17:10:10	evilnick	s/gasp/gaps
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17:13:45	LambdaCalculus37	Indeed.
17:14:17	LambdaCalculus37	evilnick: I'll remove it when I go to make some more edits to the SoundCodecs page.
17:14:46	kugel	let's see if I broke charcell ;)
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17:17:55	fml	pixelma: ping. You once commented (here?) on FS #9941 (displaying of the clock as binary). You hd concerns about inverted displays. But are they not in menority? I.e. wouldn't the patch do more good than harm?
17:18:54	gevaerts	evilnick: no idea
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17:20:44	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Looks like you got lucky. ;)
17:20:52	pixelma	fml: there is a define now that you can use to have different bitmaps for "inverted" displays... also, I wasn't sure how important this change is and what someone would expect as 1 or 0 "sign"
17:22:38	tmzt	open box/closed box ?
17:22:53	fml	pixelma: I'd then commit the patch and close the task since a hollow ring looks more like 0 than like 1 on non-inverted displays. Handling of inverted displays would be the subject of another (yet to be created) task
17:23:45	gevaerts	funman: you said a while ago that the USB registers in the AS3525 spec don't match those in the M66591 spec. Do you have more details?
17:23:55	pixelma	fml: should be a simple thing to add that now, I'd think...
17:24:40	funman	gevaerts: I just compared the register names in AS3525 spec with the linux header
17:26:57	rasher	I'll be sending this out to contributors of our bundled themes: http://pastebin.ca/1366272 - any thoughts/corrections?
17:26:58	gevaerts	They are ordered differently, and naming is a bit different, but I don't see any real differences
17:27:29	fml	pixelma: there are two ways to accomplish this. (1) Create special set of bitmaps and (2) Draw the char "1" instead of "0" and "0" instead of "1". What would you prefer?
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17:28:19	pixelma	I thought of different bitmaps
17:28:29	kugel	oh, nice tiny binsize save again :)
17:28:53	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: well, I wouldn't trust the build table in that case :)
17:28:59	fml	pixelma: would they be picked automatically by the build process (because of some naming scheme)?
17:30:25	funman	gevaerts: i mainly looked at the ordering
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17:31:38	gevaerts	funman: the linux header has the global registers first (the ones in the 0x400 range) and then the endpoint specific ones (but only one set, not all of the repetitions), while the AS3525 spec has them in adress order
17:31:40	joejc	anyone here using linux?
17:31:50	bubsy	no
17:31:55	rasher	joejc: You're better off asking your quesiton.
17:31:58	kugel	no, we use rockbox
17:32:34	joejc	whats a good music play to sync ipod with?
17:32:43	kugel	file browser
17:32:44	rasher	joejc: That's off topic here.
17:33:14	joejc	fine tell me how to get playlist to work
17:33:27	joejc	they dont sync using songbird
17:33:36	rasher	With Rockbox?
17:33:41	joejc	yes
17:34:14	rasher	Sounds like a songbird problem.
17:34:21	joejc	exactly
17:34:29	rasher	So why do you ask here?
17:34:38	pixelma	fml: no, you assign the bitmaps in plugin/bitmaps/native/SOURCES (or mono). It would need a different name then, hmmm....
17:34:45	joejc	i want a alternative not a fix
17:35:31	joejc	whats the point of telling me to ask my question if you cant just answer?
17:35:59	rasher	You're still in the wrong place. This is for Rockbox talk. Not for talk about host-side software
17:36:08	gevaerts	What's the point of asking questions if you don't want a fix?
17:36:27	joejc	it is a fix but not for songbird
17:36:29	rasher	And the point is to skip a lot of back-and-forth before you get to asking the question.
17:36:59	linuxstb	joejc: Regarding playlists, Rockbox supports standard m3u files - google will tell you about them. Or you can create playlists on the fly in Rockbox (either via the file browser or with database queries).
17:37:13	fml	pixelma: too much of a hassle IMO. I'd rather swap "0" and "1". It's exactly what "inversion" means.
17:37:35	joejc	i cant just drag m3us
17:37:47	pixelma	fml: maybe in this case, yes
17:37:58	linuxstb	You can if you drag the files as well. If you sync with itunes (or equivalent), then it will rename all your files.
17:38:40	joejc	doesnt m3u use the path to file
17:38:51	linuxstb	Yes, but they support relative paths.
17:39:10	LambdaCalculus37	What's the name of the SoC in the Gigabeat F/X again?
17:39:40	joejc	so i need something that can export m3us with a relative path?
17:40:11	fml	pixelma: what is the HAVE_XXX define? Do you remember?
17:40:14	gevaerts	IIRC rockbox has code to strip bits of the path until it works, so it should work even with absolute paths
17:40:32	joejc	it doesnt work
17:40:33	linuxstb	joejc: Or create your playlists directly using the copy of the music on your ipod.
17:41:22	funman	kugel: if you have a 4GB model, there is only one bank and no need for switching, but what if you have a 8GB ?
17:42:00	archivator	Is there a way to instruct the codecs to only use one core on PP targets and leave the other core available for plugins (say, FFT computation)?
17:42:20	pixelma	fml: quick look into the M:Robe100's config file tells me HAVE_NEGATIVE_LCD
17:42:56	kugel	funman: and why do I suffer from the 1GB problem, then?
17:42:58	joejc	could i replicate the path on my ipod?
17:43:11	gevaerts	archivator: codecs have to be written to support the second core. Most don't
17:43:43	joejc	would that work?
17:43:50	fml	pixelma: ah... I searched in mrobe500 and for "inverted" :-) Double fault :-)
17:43:58	funman	kugel: you get access to the full capacity of the 1st bank after sending some specific command
17:44:17	funman	wether this command has an effect on 1GB/2GB models is still unknown
17:44:21	kugel	ah ok
17:44:43	kugel	I could try the code on a clip, but this one wouldnt be so reliable I guess.
17:45:02	archivator	gevaerts: right, good to know.
17:45:19	kugel	I'm having heavy problems with its storage, it basically corrupts the filesystem as soon as you write 1 byte to it
17:45:43	funman	kugel: do you have problems with the OF as well ?
17:46:24	*	pixelma wonders whether the Clip's cabbiev2 graphics are adapted to the "negative" display like the M:Robe100's or not
17:46:40	kugel	funman: the OF doesn't play weird, but IIRC it corrupts the fs too
17:46:59	kugel	but I don't have these problem at all on my fuze, and other clip owners didn't report such problems too
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17:47:20	funman	try to exchange it at the shop
17:47:23	kugel	pixelma: I think cabbiev2 is fine on the clip
17:47:36	kugel	funman: someone in USA sent it to me, I can't exchange ;)
17:47:56	pixelma	that's not very helpful
17:48:47	funman	hum what's wrong with these american Sansa AMS !
17:48:58	bertrik	pixelma, they are not as far as I know
17:49:55	tmzt	I have a 512mb partition on my 8gb fuze, is there a way to test without resizing it?
17:50:33	bertrik	pixelma: I suppose you mean the "shadows" on the icons are wrong with for cabbiev2 on the clip
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17:50:41	funman	you can still delete it completely and create a new one
17:50:52	tmzt	me?
17:51:42	funman	yes, or make a copy of your files before deleting it
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17:52:03	tmzt	nothing but podcasts for of
17:52:10	tmzt	OF
17:52:27	pixelma	bertrik: thanks, I see now that there is only one set of 128x64x1 graphics which are not - the ones I made for the Iriver remotes port. Yes, I mean "light" and "shadow", a detail but I'm trained to see those things
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17:56:36	bertrik	pixelma, I remembered because you brought this issue up some time ago :). Changes to the .wps file are easy because the clip already has its own specific wps file, but changes to the icons will be more work.
17:57:55	pixelma	yep, maybe I'll look into it some time soon and try keeping it in the back of my head...
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17:59:38	*	pixelma would also like to rework the c200 cabbiev2 to use a 10 pixel font to get one more line for the play time info
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18:08:10	funman	kugel: can you point me on some work still missing for Fuze / Sansa AMS ?
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18:09:04	kugel	funman: the SansaAMS page is quite accurate
18:09:09	kugel	plus the MMU issue
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18:10:00	funman	ha battery charging would be nice
18:10:45	kugel	sure, but I have no use for charging until I can actually use the fuze
18:11:19	funman	I still find it weird that checksum verification for rockbox.sansa never fail
18:11:44	kugel	hum? it did for me in the past
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18:14:02	funman	I'll make verifications with the microSD as well
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18:16:44	funman	too much work to do ;)
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18:55:34	kugel	damn
18:55:39	kugel	it's broken :(
18:57:04	bubsy	? :o
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19:06:49	JdGordon\|	what did you break?
19:08:01	kugel	haha, for one moment I thought I'd suck at testing code before committing
19:08:24	kugel	JdGordon\|: nothing, but either your playback rework, or my disable wps updates patch cause statusbar weirdness
19:09:48	kugel	current build is fine
19:11:49	JdGordon\|	3 guesses which is more likely :D
19:12:05	JdGordon\|	you had any issues with the latest version of my playback patch?
19:12:10	kugel	yours! my patch is tiny :p
19:12:36	kugel	I haven't tested so far, I just installed it some minutes ago
19:13:00	JdGordon\|	these codec failed's are a bit worrying.. but i havnt seen one
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19:24:37	kugel	JdGordon\|: did the codec api change?
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19:29:44	JdGordon\|	no, i dont think so
19:30:40	kugel	well, if it changed indirectly, then make bin people might experience errors. But I wouldn't think it changed too
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19:31:12	JdGordon\|	yeah, but he said that he did a full install anyway, so shouldnt cause a problem
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19:32:04	perrikwp	JdGordon: I am one of the ones with the codec problem with your patch
19:32:15	JdGordon\|	hey
19:32:51	perrikwp	I did a make veryclean and then a make && make zip to install the new build
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19:33:34	JdGordon\|	I tried on my e200 and couldnt reproduce, i asked a guy in here last night to try a build on his ipod 5g and he didnt have any issues..
19:33:39	JdGordon\|	i dunno what the heck is going on :(
19:33:46	perrikwp	jdgordon: did you have a chance to see what was causing the divide by zero error?
19:34:13	JdGordon\|	no clue, its in codec_main(), thats all i know
19:34:20	perrikwp	ok
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19:36:09	perrikwp	I'll try installing it one more time, but remove the old .rockbox folder first, in case it is an unzipping problem
19:44:04	perrikwp	ok codec failure still happens with a fresh install
19:44:10	JdGordon\|	bah
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19:44:11	JdGordon\|	ok
19:45:11	perrikwp	maybe you can try sending me a build for the Gigabeat S? There might be a local problem with my svn.
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19:48:11	JdGordon\|	perrikwp: maybe.. im at work now though
19:48:25	perrikwp	ok maybe later
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20:45:18	wangxiang	hi
20:45:41	evilnick	wangxiang: Hi there
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20:48:12	wangxiang	I heard that Rockbox will update Text to Speech module?
20:50:05	archivator	wangxiang: What do you mean? The voice quality or the system itself?
20:51:50	wangxiang	system
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20:52:20	fml	Is the build server up and running?
20:52:34	gevaerts	text to speech is one of the suggestions for the google summer of code
20:53:53	wangxiang	yes, I'm a student mayor in speech signal processing and interesting in the project
20:54:57	wangxiang	how can I get more information about this project?
20:55:01	archivator	wangxiang: see SummerOfCode2009 in the wiki - there are some ideas there as well as general information about GSoC
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20:56:14	bertrik	amiconn, rasher recently added a feature to make sure the album art is displayed correctly even when lcd invert is on
20:56:33	amiconn	I know, but it's a slowish workaround
20:57:24	amiconn	It also can't fix all the other places where images are displayed: jpeg viewer, mpegplayer...
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20:58:38	scorche	wangxiang: what sort of information were you looking for?
20:58:42	amiconn	DRMODE_COMPLEMENT is the slowest of all draw modes. Not much we can do about it; it requires to read the framebuffer, complement the data as necessary, and wrte it back, whereas the other draw modes only require writing
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20:59:11	rasher	amiconn: Sure, but I really doubt it's slower by any important amount
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21:00:13	wangxiang	I'm very familiar with speech synthesis algorithm and coding,but I can't find the source code of rockbox in the webpage
21:00:18	amiconn	Yeah, but that's not my point. It was just to illustrate why this workaround isn't very nice. It trades cpu time for something that can easily be achieved in a different way
21:00:36	rasher	Depends on your definition of easily.
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21:01:08	wangxiang	because the guidelines said the code should be for integrated into Rockbox
21:01:09	bertrik	wangxiang, if you're familiar with subversion, it's probably easiest to check it out with svn
21:01:13	rasher	Besides, if you are using inverse mode and you have album art, when would you not want it to be inverted (or re-verted)
21:01:25	rasher	Even if it costs a bit of cpu time
21:01:26	amiconn	rasher: There's still my other point: It breaks all other places of image display
21:01:46	rasher	Sure, it doesn't fix everything
21:01:46	wangxiang	thanks bertrik! I'll find it
21:01:56	amiconn	While this is true for mono targets as well, there is a difference: mono targets have no colour settings
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21:04:47	amiconn	rasher: There's another point: the lcd invert adds inconsistency because some colour targets have it and some don't
21:04:57	jaykay	could someone check if he can download the current build for e200 on build.rockbox.org? i cant, all the other current builds for other players work
21:05:45	bertrik	jaykay, r20405 for e200 downloaded fine here
21:05:58	jaykay	hm
21:06:01	jaykay	thanks
21:06:07	evilnick	Am I correct in assuming that Album Art should currently be inverted if the screen is set to Inverse on a Sansa E280?
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21:06:57	jaykay	it works with a download manager... but firefox does nothing
21:07:37	pixelma	didn't Bagder say there was one download server acting up?
21:08:12	pixelma	though I don't know if the build zips are distributed from mirrors too
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21:08:44	bertrik	evilnick, it currently shows album art inverted when lcd is inverted, such that album art is always displayed "positive" on e2xx
21:08:58	amiconn	pixelma: No they aren't, that would be too slow
21:10:25	pixelma	hmm, true
21:11:00	evilnick	bertrik: Ah, that makes sense. I just tried it and couldn't understand why the album art was NOT inverted!
21:14:54	jaykay	arg, rockbox crippled a file
21:15:00	jaykay	i suppose it was rockbox...
21:15:28	jaykay	is it possible that rockbox damages a file with just playing it?
21:15:32	jaykay	it shouldnt be...
21:16:00	gevaerts	no
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21:17:35	Conic	It never writes to disk while playing, does it?
21:18:05	gevaerts	not to the audio files anyway
21:19:07	jaykay	but i never touched the files, even not with windows...
21:19:25	jaykay	maybe just a too old flash storage
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21:19:29	gevaerts	what exactly are you seeing?
21:20:42	Conic	There's a slim chance it was corrupted when copying to the device.
21:20:50	Conic	That's all I can think of.
21:21:06	jaykay	rockbox stops playing it after 50sec. i can rewind (?), but it doesnt play anything then either. i also can select other files for playing, but they arent played. shutdown never end, it "freezes" at the "shutting down..." message
21:21:19	jaykay	itunes doesnt play it at all and says "damaged file"
21:21:32	jaykay	conic: i copied it half a year ago, and it played fine then
21:21:46	Conic	Hmm.
21:21:58	jaykay	it.... should be a bug when rockbox doesnt work properly then right?
21:22:13	jaykay	or is it ok if rockbox is "confused" by bad sectors
21:22:15	Conic	The only music player that I've heard of that corrupts files is WMP12.
21:22:26	Conic	I'd try re-copying if you still have the originals.
21:22:44	*	jaykay tries chkdsk...
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21:44:05	jaykay	gevaerts: should i post a bug report for this?
21:44:27	jaykay	i mean for the weird behaviour, not for the corrupt file
21:44:52	gevaerts	depends. What did chkdsk say?
21:45:40	jaykay	gevaerts: i'll try to translate it...
21:45:55	gevaerts	did it find errors?
21:46:20	jaykay	yes
21:46:22	jaykay	one
21:46:25	jaykay	in this file
21:47:21	gevaerts	do you have some sort of timeframe for when this happened?
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21:52:17	jaykay	gevaerts: how do you mean that?
21:52:43	gevaerts	jaykay: do you know more than "it happened somewhere during the last 6 months" ?
21:55:02	jaykay	gevaerts: i played it "successfully" the last time ~3months ago, then i played it today again and it dodnt work, as described
21:55:08	jaykay	i dont know more
21:55:35	gevaerts	that's a pretty long time. Lots of things could have happened...
21:55:40	jaykay	but i think its redundant when the error occured, more interesting is the reaction of rockbox
21:56:01	gevaerts	rockbox doesn't work properly when the filesystem is bad. That's known
21:56:21	jaykay	ok, then i wont post a report
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22:18:17	archivator	What's the official position on how a database app should be implemented? Is the approach in the current FS patch (patch core rockbox with a bunch of preprocessor directives to support a PCUTIL mode) the way to go? Is writing a separate library (which would of course be harder to maintain) totally out of the question?
22:19:43	rasher	I wouldn't say it's totally out of the question. The db format has been pretty stable, so it might not be the worst idea
22:19:52	rasher	This is not an official position of course.
22:20:55	gevaerts	archivator: I think it should be somewhere between those two options
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22:22:24	archivator	My point is, it might be best if we had a librockdb, so you could do all kinds of magic in several different apps (say, one for database maintenance, another for downloading AA based on actual metadata and so on)
22:22:42	archivator	gevaerts: how do you mean?
22:23:32	gevaerts	archivator: we need a library that shares code woth rockbox
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22:27:47	scorche	anyone know whom lglira might be?...they requested to be a mentor...
22:29:17	Bagder	scorche: no real name is suspicious too
22:29:34	*	scorche hits the reject...they can always apply again
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22:51:13	kugel	archivator: I agree. I'd love to see the database tool being more externalized and more friendly for other apps
22:55:06	pixelma	Bagder: it looks like fml's "fix yellow" commit didn't trigger a rebuild round. Is that the old bug that occasionally builds are not picked up for unknown reasons or something else?
22:55:47	Bagder	I haven't seen that problem in a while, I don't know...
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23:06:48	*	BigBambi_ wonders why fml has changed some style aspects of the colour filetypes I wrote for no apparent reason
23:06:57	BigBambi_	I wrote them like I did for a reason...
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23:16:07	jhulst	Hey all, I'm planning on applying for Summer of Code to work on Rockbox as an application. The current draft of my application is available at http://jhulst.org/rockboxApp.txt I would appreciate any comments or suggestions, specifically with the milestones and dates. Thanks
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23:22:44	scorche	jhulst: it looks nice so far...stay tuned for comments/suggestions in the future =)
23:22:56	JdGordon\|	jhulst: yeah looks good...
23:23:29	jhulst	scorche, JdGordon\|: Thanks, I'll be around...
23:23:52	JdGordon\|	jhulst: I have comments for you but i cant really talk now :/
23:24:25	kugel	looks nice, indeed
23:24:40	jhulst	JdGordon\|: alright, feel free to ping me sometime when you get a chance...
23:25:08	*	gevaerts agrees. It looks pretty good
23:25:39	gevaerts	One thing though. What's all this about getting married on my birthday? ;)
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23:26:19	jhulst	gevaerts: Sorry, for some reason your birthday wasn't listed on wikipedia when we were picking the day :)
23:27:57	kugel	haha
23:28:00	MT	linuxstb, saratoga : ping
23:28:25	JdGordon\|	jhulst: just quickly... IIRC the general feeling was to leave the sim as it is (for the time being at least) and have the roaa build as a seperate target (which 2nd reading looks like thats what your gonna do?)
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23:29:02	saratoga_lab	MT: pong
23:29:02	jhulst	JdGordon\|: Yes, I didn't want to touch the current sim setup. That has other value
23:29:46	BigBambi_	looks good indeed
23:30:12	BigBambi_	I would love to use Rockbox as an app on my PC incidently :)
23:30:21	rasher	bertrik: Are you fine with relicensing your contributions to cabbiev2 as cc-by-sa-3.0?
23:30:59	*	domonoky thinks this application looks good, but could perhaps need some more details.. a timeline or alike would also be nice.
23:31:11	MT	saratoga_lab : I've came across this tutorial > http://www.dranger.com/ffmpeg/tutorial01.html . I want to try it (as an exercise), but will do it on audio instead. Do you think it's useful ?
23:31:11	jhulst	BigBambi_: As would I, it would be a nice lightweight, keyboard only application
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23:31:52	MT	*come
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23:33:21	saratoga_lab	MT: thats mostly about the ffmpeg internal APIs
23:33:30	jhulst	domonoky: I did work to do some of that with the milestones. I'd like feedback on other milestones as well as ideas on how long it they would take. I plan to work towards coming up with dates, but at this point I would be picking them at random
23:33:36	saratoga_lab	they're not too important to us since we won't be using their parser
23:34:06	saratoga_lab	from your point of view, theres really only 2-3 functions in ffmpeg that matter, one for opening the codec and initing, one for decoding a frame of audio, and one for closing the codec
23:34:32	saratoga_lab	if you're interested in ffmpeg its worth looking at, but beware, ffmpeg is enormous and you can spend a lot of time without getting very far
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23:34:49	scorche	as a reminder for mentors/committers, please join #rockbox-gsoc for app discussion
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23:35:05	scorche	petur: saratoga_lab: others: ^^
23:35:10	saratoga_lab	at the bottom of each ffmpeg decoder file (cook.c, etc) is a function pointer table that lists the entry points for the codec
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23:36:01	saratoga_lab	hmm not in the web client
23:37:10	scorche	Bagder: could this be added much like -community is?
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23:37:46	Bagder	we need to poke zagor for that
23:37:57	bertrik	rasher, yes I'm fine with that
23:37:58	Bagder	preferably with a stick! ;-)
23:38:36	jhulst	scorche: Are students allowed to join or is this a committers/mentors only channel?
23:38:54	MT	saratoga_lab : I just thought it could be useful somehow, thanks for saving me some time :) . question; an audio packet may contain multiple frames, could a frame be truncated as the case is in video packets ?
23:39:03	scorche	jhulst: not at the moment, though you couldnt get in if you tried to
23:39:51	saratoga_lab	MT: i don't know how RM is packaged actually
23:40:25	rasher	bertrik: Excellent
23:40:52	saratoga_lab	usually though audio codecs have frames that are about 1000-2000 samples long, and these are either stored directly in a bitstream, or bundled together into a container's packets (which typically contain several frames)
23:47:51	MT	saratoga_lab : can't really get this : "...* The transform domain has 50 subbands with 20 elements each. This
23:47:52	MT	* means only a maximum of 50*20=1000 coefficients are used out of the 1024
23:47:54	MT	* available." :/
23:50:24	saratoga_lab	MT: I skimmed the g722-whatever spec that rm is based on, and it looked like a pure transform codec, so I think the subbands are the mdct coefficients
23:51:03	saratoga_lab	so it sounds like they're saying the codec using 1024 point MDCTs and then discards the last couple coefficients (perhaps to round to a power of two number of coefficients)
23:52:36	MT	I see, thanks.
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23:57:55	saratoga_lab	MT: looking at the decoder, most things seem to be based around 1024 samples, which is also the largest MDCT size allowed (others are 256, and 512)
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23:58:33	saratoga_lab	so one frame is probably 1024 frequency domain samples, in either 1 1024 block or 2/4 512/256 blocks

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