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#rockbox log for 2009-03-26

00:00:02TBOL3Llorean: I'm sorry, I had just found the post that says that it's off topic, so I didn't know it was until I saw you yelling at me. Again, I'm sorry, and will use PMs.
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00:00:38mackotzhi is there a version of rockbox for ipod shuffel sorry my english is very bad so i have problems for searching this information on the rockbox page
00:00:58Bagdermackotz: it is mention on the front page
00:01:04TBOL3At least none that I know of.
00:01:14mackotzok thx
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00:04:41rasherLlorean: Should we advertise for a fancy "download installer" button in the wps forum?
00:05:31JdGordon|comeplete with browser toolbars!
00:05:53bluefoxxbrowser toolbars=no in my opinion <_<
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00:06:53bluefoxxI noticed a trend that whenever a program attempts to sneak a toolbar into your browser, change your homepage and vomits shortcuts to everything everywhere people get annoyed...
00:07:22*JdGordon| was joking
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00:09:10Lloreanrasher: Sure!
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00:10:51casainhook - CabieV2 is working :-) −− I had to use checkwps for verify that I were missing the "#define HAVE_ALBUMART" on config file :-)
00:11:16casainhodomonoky did help me going to make checkwps working :-)
00:11:16rashercasainho: I thought you said you had added that.
00:11:36casainhorasher: I did, but as "#define HAVE_ALBUM_ART"
00:12:31casainhorasher: you wrote like that and I didn't know. Even I diddn't know that I had to reconfigure....
00:12:54rashercasainho: Ah, oh well.
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00:13:25casainhorasher: then I will do the promotional video right now!! many thanks :-)
00:13:30casainhogood night :-)
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00:18:35Lloreanrasher: Looks good.
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00:54:04HillshumIs http or ftp faster on installing Cygwin?
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01:04:57HillshumAre the radio: thingies keywords?
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01:12:39JdGordonHillshum: there is a file, apps/features.txt which is where those keywords come from... radio means that that if the target has the radio it will have that text
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01:20:11cmwslwI don't know if you guys already know, but the datasheet for the iPod's processor has been found
01:20:51cmwslwit was actually found from a link on the Rockbox wiki
01:21:20cmwslwsee the top part of this article:
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01:22:27HillshumDid the manufacturer release it?
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01:26:15cmwslwI don't know
01:26:47cmwslwWell Samsung obviously made it
01:26:59cmwslwbut they probably did not intend it to be leaked
01:27:20taylor_cmwslw: where did you find this again, btw?
01:27:55cmwslwit's under the wrong chip, though
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01:28:08taylor_I see.....
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01:29:38HillshumMarcGuay posted it apparently
01:30:30cmwslwIs he still active?
01:30:35cmwslwWhen did he post it?
01:31:11HillshumHe's still around
01:31:41kushalone1Hi guys, what is the upward limit on SDHC card will work in a sansa c2xx mp3 player? thank you. Oh, and a friend wanted to know how he can distinguish between a v1 and v2 when buying online. any sugestions?
01:31:42Hillshum31 Jul 2008
01:31:54kushalone1* with rockbox
01:31:57taylor_Wow...that was a while ago ;)
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01:32:59cmwslwWell, bye I guess :P
01:33:19cmwslwWe really need to get a hold of MarcGuay
01:34:11taylor_why tho? All he really did was post that..
01:34:27cmwslwWe need to know where he found it
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01:44:54cmwslwActually, Marcoen Hirschberg added the link to the datasheet
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02:02:47scorchekushalone1: theoretically, anything SDHC supports...and you cant really distinguish when buying online
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02:56:56taylor_Alright, good night everyone
02:57:02ebswiftquick question... is there a rockbox utility for using a device as an auxilary display on a PC?
02:57:18taylor_not sure
02:57:23taylor_oh, no I guess
02:57:47ebswiftwell anyone aware of any other hacks... like the old mini picture frame hack?
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02:58:06soapAll known tricks are actually shipped with Rockbox.
02:58:32ebswiftk, thankyou
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04:06:21leprasmurfHello all, I'm interested in GSOC and am an avid user of rockbox. I was wondering, is coding for an mp3 player different from coding for x86?
04:07:17leprasmurfAlso, I have a sansa e260, would that be an appropriate testbed for a project that would likely be acceptable to rockbox, or is there a virtual platform for multi-device testing?
04:09:50Unhelpfulleprasmurf: our targets do not generally have hardware floating point, simd instructions, and many lack hardware division, so you must be a bit careful about how you do math on them. also, whatever OS/library functions you're accustomed to on x86, ours are going to be at least a bit different.
04:10:43leprasmurfUnhelpful: can I safely assume documentation on the libraries is readily available?
04:11:58 Quit swathanthran (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) a certain degree. we also don't actually *have* loadable libraries on rockbox. the core is essentially a monolithic binary. plugins and codecs are loaded at fixed addresses, and given a pointer to a structure that contains pointers to certain core functions.
04:12:25leprasmurfwow, ok
04:14:59leprasmurfI imagine that's a principal reason for different source downloads per hardware?
04:15:11leprasmurfthat and the available controls per device
04:15:29LloreanThere's only one source download that covers all hardware.
04:15:36LloreanThere's different binary downloads per hardware.
04:15:47leprasmurfoh, my bad
04:16:45LloreanAs to "testbed", it kinda depends on what you're interested in working on.
04:17:19LloreanRockbox is more or less divided into two parts, "apps" and "firmware". Apps stuff can readily (mostly) be tested on the Simulators. Firmware stuff requires the appropriate hardware to get right. *Most* GSOC stuff isn't likely to be firmware-level though
04:18:14leprasmurfif plugins and codecs are loaded at fixed addresses, how is the address chosen? Would different devices have different amounts of memory available?
04:18:34Lloreanyes and no.
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04:18:50LloreanAll "modern" devices are given the same amount of memory for each. Only the old hardware-codec Archos devices aren't.
04:18:53leprasmurfI imagine there's a core amount available
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04:19:43LloreanThough it's possible that some newer targets with very limited resource will have smaller plugin buffers, among supported targets at this time they're all the same. 512KB (if I recall correctly) if music is playing, but if music is allowed to be stopped they can also grab the compressed audio buffer (which varies based on physical RAM)
04:21:40leprasmurfso the 512KB, that's not shared with any of the core, right? That's dedicated eeprom space, right?
04:21:59Unhelpfulthat's *ram*.
04:22:22LloreanIt's dedicated RAM for storing the currently loaded plugin and its data.
04:22:28leprasmurfsorry, I think firmware I think rom, but rom is read only, so I think eeprom
04:22:47Unhelpfulthe plugin's code is loaded into the plugin buffer, it may use the rest of it for data if it chooses
04:23:23Lloreanleprasmurf: In most cases Rockbox is actually loaded from disk into RAM by some code in ROM that's either what would load the original firmware from disk, or is something we've put there (in a few cases)
04:23:48LloreanIn the majority of cases, Rockbox itself is never in ROM of any sort, though on a few players we support loading (and executing) it from there to save a bit of RAM and speed up boot time.
04:23:58LloreanAs far as I know, though, plugins are never in the ROM
04:24:17leprasmurfduh! that's why rockbox and the original sansa firmware can coexist, because of the bootloader
04:24:50leprasmurfduh to me, not you guys
04:26:33leprasmurfthis may be a stupid question, but what about swap? I can't imagine most of any plugins would go past the 512k limit, but just curious
04:28:28LloreanThere's no existing mechanism for it.
04:28:35LloreanWhat sort of project did you have in mind, anyway?
04:29:22leprasmurfwell, I don't know entirely. I've been going over the ideas list and am trying to isolate which ones I'd be capable of completing
04:29:48Unhelpfulif you really want to manage data larger than fits in the plugin buffer, the first thing to do is stop playback and grab the audio buffer. if that's not sufficient, you should probably be thinking about whether this is something you can run on rockbox at all, but you *could* always manage a pagefile yourself.
04:30:14leprasmurfI liked the look of the usb connectors, things like the (basically) tethering the DAP to the computer (USB soundcard or USB radio tuner)
04:30:20Lloreanleprasmurf: The idea list isn't strict, either. If you have something you feel you're more capable of completing, while at the same time would offer a very real benefit to Rockbox (and be of appropriate scale for a GSoC project) you're welcome to propose an application for a new idea.
04:30:22leprasmurfbut I was also thinking of the document viewer
04:31:22leprasmurfLlorean: yeah, there are a few things that's irked me about my release of rockbox (though I don't know the number I have right now)
04:32:25leprasmurfsuch as being able to save a playlist, and a bookmark within that playlist, and interchange playlists
04:32:57leprasmurfi.e. listening to an audio book while driving, but when reaching my destination, saving my spot on that playlist and loading music so I can code
04:33:17LloreanIt's possible to do that. With "Bookmark on stop" it's even pretty painless.
04:34:06leprasmurfI didn't realize
04:35:06leprasmurfhey, I'm happy I finally discovered the joy of "Car Adapter Mode"
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04:39:57sktrdieI know this may sound a bit stupid, but I was looking at the Rockbox project and was wondering how you guys actually went through creating a firmware without having the hardware specs? Does it involve a lot of tedious reverse engeneering?
04:40:48Lloreansktrdie: It varies from player to player. In some cases we have docs. In others there's a lot of tedious reverse engineering. In others someone else has done it in another open source project, and we can share the fruits of it.
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04:42:10sktrdieLlorean: I see, I know C, but not enough of Assembly, although I guess my question is to what you think would be a good place to start to mess around with my mp3 player.
04:42:52saratoga_homework on whatever is interesting to you
04:42:58saratoga_homei don't think anyone can tell you that
04:44:51sktrdiesaratoga_home: Yeah, but I basically have zero information on the Hardware of this thing, and have googled a bunch already, so my bet I guess could be to start reading how Rockbox works with other mp3 players.
04:45:39saratoga_homeif you don't know about the hardware, maybe thats not a good place to start
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04:52:31leprasmurfCan C++ execute within rockbox?
04:53:12Lloreanleprasmurf: Short answer - not practically.
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04:54:07leprasmurfso trying to implement espeak wouldn't really be practical then, unless it could be converted to C only, right?
04:55:33Llorean is actually a port of espeak to Rockbox, though it's from after they switched to GPLv3 which would necessitate a license change of Rockbox
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04:59:21leprasmurfI'm trying to find it on the site, so as not to ask LTFG questions, but what is the license of rockbox?
05:01:33leprasmurfah, GNU GPL
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05:06:03Llorean"GPLv2 or later"
05:06:26LloreanWhich means we prefer to only include code from projects that are also "2 or later" to preserve the freedom that brings for other people to incorporate our code.
05:06:39leprasmurf*sigh* licensing gives me a headach :-)
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05:07:31leprasmurfso according to comments in that tracker, if someone were to want to implement espeak, they would have to use a previously released version which is "GPLv2 or later"
05:08:02LloreanIf they wanted their work incorporated into the official build, yes. Which should be the goal with any GSOC work
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05:12:14leprasmurfI see Richard Stallman doesn't seem to think it's a problem
05:12:49leprasmurf(the fact that gpl2 and gpl3 are incompatible)
05:13:54LloreanLicense philosophy isn't really a topic for in here. Needless to say, code needs to be compatible with our license if we're going to incorporate it.
05:14:36leprasmurfright, my bad
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05:31:44leprasmurfUnhelpful, Llorean: thanks for your patience and answers
05:31:49leprasmurfg'night all
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08:12:47amiconn[04:18:50] <Llorean> All "modern" devices are given the same amount of memory for each. Only the old hardware-codec Archos devices aren't. <== Not true. The archoses all have the same amount of RAM (2MB), just they can be modded to have 8MB. This is even less variable than the ipod Video, which can have either 32MB or 64MB out of the box...
08:13:14Lloreanamiconn: The 8mb Archoses still have the same amount of plugin buffer as the 2mb though, right?
08:13:24Llorean"each" refers to plugin and codec buffers.
08:14:12amiconnYes, the same way as the 32MB and 64MB ipods have the same amount. Neither have it at the same address
08:15:04amiconnAh, you mean the amount of plugin RAM. That's not true either. The ams sansas don't have 512KB of plugin and codec ram
08:15:57LloreanI think in my full statement I mentioned supported targets, and how future low resource targets are different, though
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10:04:10B4gdermaybe we should make a theme competition
10:04:34B4gderand hand out prizes to the best ones
10:10:35n1syeah, that could be fun
10:13:35*linuxstb nudges B4gder towards WhyRealNames
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10:23:45MTlinuxstb : Hello, my mid-terms are approaching, so I'm not going to be able to dedicate significant time to the project till ~ 10th of April ..
10:27:32MTlinuxstb : I hope this wouldn't be a problem :)
10:29:48linuxstbNot at all - good luck with them.
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12:42:34l403Hi. I'm foolowing te great Simple Guide to compiling in the Compiling section. I have added the /usr/local/arm-elf/bin path, but the /tool/confidurer complains that I have to add path for the compiler arm-elf-gcc. Now I thinng it is expecting /usr/local/arm-elf-gcc/bin but there is no such path
12:43:29l403*no such directory
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12:54:28l403I might leave in a bit but will stay online so you can leave me some advice if you ave somthing to say, thank you
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13:24:10pyro_maniacI403: did you run the script in the tools directory?
13:25:22B4gderand /usr/local/arm-elf/bin/arm-elf-gcc would be the full path to gcc
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13:25:41B4gder... using the default path
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13:37:12l403pyro_maniac: yes, I did un the script and did not notice and errors during its execution
13:40:23l403B4gder: but I have added /usr/local/arm-elf/bin/ to .bashrc
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13:40:54l403just like this export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin
13:40:58gevaertsl403: but have you re-run .bashrc?
13:41:13B4gderthen "arm-elf-gcc −−version" should show something
13:41:43l403nothing pops up when I do arm [tab]
13:41:53B4gderecho $PATH
13:42:35rasherDid you log out and back in?
13:43:12l403I have closed and opened the root termina;
13:44:03l403and the path does nooot appear in $PATH, so I gues I'll juust restart and it should be loaded
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13:45:50rasherWait. Root terminal?
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13:56:44Dillizarhow is the progress doing for gogear mp3 players
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14:03:47LambdaCalculus37Dillizar: Please don't ask for progress updates. The wiki pages will have all of the updates you need listed.
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14:14:07l403now, that was a trivial error :
14:14:27l403tthee problem was I was root
14:14:53B4gderthe root of the problem!
14:15:35l403and since I sett the pathh too the bin directory for me as non root user, then echo $PATH as root showed the root's paths
14:16:05l403now a Makefile has been made
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14:18:48l403well, thanx for trying to asist me
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14:19:37funmanLCD display on Clipv2 \o/
14:21:14moosfunman: Double félicitations (/me thinking data storage too), indeed rocking!
14:21:52Zagorfunman: wohoo!
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14:22:53funmanI could quickly see a nice "ATA error: -1" however
14:23:37funmanthe primecell documentation for SD controllers has disappeared from
14:23:48funmanpl180 had been marked as "out of date" for some time though
14:24:18moosmaybe someone here have them somewhere else?
14:24:57funmanI still have a copy of pl180 doc, but it's not the controller used in Clipv2, I was hoping to see that pl182 registers match, for example
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14:30:29funmanB4gder: how much time did AMS take to answer you when you requested the AS3525 datasheet ?
14:32:34B4gderbut then I had already been in touch with them several times before
14:32:55funmandid you have email conversations, or only used their web interface ?
14:33:20*LambdaCalculus37 remembers back when B4gder was requesting datasheets for the AS3514
14:33:27funmanperhaps if i didn't mention how much k€ I wanted to give them they just deleted my request
14:33:28B4gderif you don't get a response in a few days, I'll send off a request as well
14:33:39B4gderdirectly to "my guys"
14:33:59funmana kind of underground embedded mafia?
14:34:27B4gderwell, I guess there's a risk of a filter somewhere that receives messages from the web interface
14:34:49B4gderI mean as opposed to addressing individuals
14:35:10B4gderbut yeah, the hit team might get involved too! ;-P
14:35:10funmansure, and perhaps i shouldn't have asked for AS3536 & AS3530 (video related documents are more sensible than audio)
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16:00:51scott_is rockbox compatible with Creative Zen ?
16:01:15grdxyxyscott_: no
16:01:27grdxyxyscott_: not yet
16:01:33scott_well seems i bought a worthless product
16:01:39scott_Creative is hitler
16:02:58grdxyxyscott_:zvm may be supported before long
16:03:33grdxyxyscott_: but i am not sure
16:04:21scott_well its just that every video i give the device, it cant play
16:04:26grdxyxyscott_: what kind of zen have you got?
16:04:32scott_its the Zen 4gb
16:04:46grdxyxyscott_: zen micro?
16:04:51scott_even the podcasts i tried to get to work with it, have to convert to some format first
16:05:21scott_does their player use a proprietary codec only?
16:05:48scott_i was hoping for 3rd party firmware to allow for playing a wider range of compression methods
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16:09:37grdxyxyscott_: what is your nation?
16:09:40kugelpyro_maniac: good news
16:10:01pyro_maniackugel: speak it out!
16:10:53kugelI used the 20gb build, and it works
16:10:59kugeldisplay is almost fine
16:11:15scott_grdxyxy: US
16:11:17pyro_maniacyou re kidding
16:11:48scott_grdxyxy: does it matter?
16:12:05grdxyxyscott_: no, i just wonder that.
16:12:10pyro_maniackugel: display works or something else to?
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16:12:35kugelusb works too, but it directly goes to usb after boot
16:12:44gevaertsgrdxyxy: please keep on topic
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16:12:54pyro_maniacyou have to disconnect
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16:13:16pyro_maniacthen the real firmware is getting startet
16:13:51grdxyxygevaerts:keep on what topic?
16:14:45kugelpyro_maniac: huh?
16:14:54kugelI mean rockbox goes to usb
16:15:45pyro_maniackugel: ah ok rockbox is running and changes to usb mode?
16:16:00pyro_maniackugel: always?
16:16:15pyro_maniackugel: i mean, even if you disconnect the cable?
16:19:00grdxyxypyro_maniac: sorry,i see
16:21:27kugelpyro_maniac: yea
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16:22:43pyro_maniackugel: ok but that sounds lovely to me
16:23:21pyro_maniacso we have to take it into the list i think :-D
16:24:04pyro_maniaci am wounder if this could work on my device too!?
16:25:42kugeldid you have the 925 too?
16:26:08pyro_maniacno i have a 920
16:26:16kugelto make the bl accept the firmware, you need to change configure
16:26:30kugelthe h10_20gb I mean
16:26:38pyro_maniacmy hope was, that only the lcd is different
16:26:48pyro_maniacwhat did you change?
16:27:48kugelscramble must output mi4v2, instead of v3
16:28:35pyro_maniacsounds easy
16:30:44pyro_maniacis that the only change?
16:31:00kugelpretty much yes
16:31:12kugelthe display is at least working, but flipped and with a decent offset
16:31:28kugelbut sharp
16:31:50pyro_maniaccan you dissable USB and test more?
16:32:22kugelhm, I want the display nicely first
16:32:26kugelthen buttons
16:32:39kugelbut that may need usb disabled, indeed.
16:34:42pyro_maniaci am excited
16:37:45*kugel too
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16:48:51scott_im gonna have to use gspot on the included videos with this player todetermine the proper codec and format to use when reencoding my own videos
16:49:23scott_does anyone use ffmpeg for converting videos for players?
16:52:32evilnickscott_: It's listed in the Wiki as being an application that will work, but I don't personally use it.
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17:04:55kugelpyro_maniac: what was the command you used for disassembling?
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17:05:25pyro_maniackugel: i used IDA Pro on windows
17:05:39scott_evilnick: which app?
17:05:58scott_oh yeah ffmpeg
17:06:10kugelpyro_maniac: you just loaded the .rom?
17:06:18scott_well i found a gui frontend to ffmpeg for windows
17:08:02evilnickI've successfully converted some videos using WinFF and some using VLC
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17:11:00pyro_maniackugel: you never worked with it before?
17:12:18pyro_maniaci just opened it via drag and drop, configured the cpu architecture and pressed ok
17:12:29rasherZagor, Bagder: Time to add 3.2 to the flyspray version list
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17:13:22pyro_maniacthen i marked the whole code, pressed 'C' and then analyse and got the code as result
17:13:39pyro_maniacpretty easy but i don't no more about it
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17:14:31kugelpyro_maniac: I have no access to ida, atm
17:15:44kugellinuxstb: ping. What's the command for disassembling a binary with arm-elf-objdump (a .rom file)? it says file format not recognized
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17:16:52kugelI think I got it
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17:18:26pyro_maniackugel: you are on the bootloader right?
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17:21:55pyro_maniaccould you compare it to the 920 version too?
17:22:33pyro_maniaci am interested in what you think about it
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17:25:03kugelpyro_maniac: no, I'm trying to find lcd commands
17:26:23pyro_maniaci have to do something to ;-) so this could be good for me :-)
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17:37:08pyro_maniackugel: sorry if i am annoying but found something?
17:40:12kugelnot yet
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17:42:21pyro_maniaci am not sure but i belive that i have read 0x70003000 in my disassamblys
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17:44:43kugelpyro_maniac: h10 uses LCD2_BASE, which is at 0x70008a00
17:46:25pyro_maniackugel: ok maybe i am wrong
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18:00:59rasher;topic=21100.0;attach=3549;image That's a bit big..
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18:13:29pixelmarasher: on the theme site - who or what decided that the GreyscaleVP theme (160x128) would work for all colour depths?
18:13:49rasherpixelma: I said we ignore colour depth currently
18:14:05rasherMaybe we shouldn't
18:14:55pixelmaI expect this one to only work in greyscale
18:15:50rasherSo should we not show greyscale themes for colour targets?
18:16:02rasherAnd require an exact bitdepth match?
18:16:17rasherThis means people won't be able to install them from rbutil
18:18:29pixelmasome things wont't work (tried to explain that yesterday - if WPS backdrop is used or album art or custom colours in viewports). Could the theme site run the WPS through checkwps for all three colour depths?
18:19:03pixelmaand put it on the pages accordingly?
18:19:07rasherIt does already, if I'm not mistaken
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18:19:25rasherLet me check the db
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18:21:03pixelmaI can't imagine that the GreyscaleVP works in any other, unless the WPS parser ignores the colour parameters
18:21:38rasherWouldn't it work on h10?
18:21:44pixelmaor better "shades of grey"
18:23:00pixelmathose shades of grey are only 0, 1, 2, 3 there were viewports on colour targets define an RGB value
18:24:03rasherAh, right. Well there's an additional problem
18:25:06rasherRight now it doesn't even try to test on mrobe and h10 because the wps was uploaded as a h120 theme, and marked as having an rwps (I'm not sure if it does, actually - this should be properly checked rather than assuming all h120 themes have one. Oops)
18:25:19rasherBut that's a bit broken. I'll have to put on my thinking cap.
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18:26:13pixelmaalright, thanks for looking into this
18:26:22Thesmyth1hey all, are there people around that I could talk to about Google Summer of code?
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18:28:27LambdaCalculus37Thesmyth1: Do you have a project idea?
18:28:41Thesmyth1well, I'm interested in the ARM emulator
18:29:02Thesmyth1I'm in Electrical Engineer but I love programming
18:29:23Thesmyth1and I've tried programming an emulator before
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18:32:56Thesmyth1are there possible mentors assigned to any of the projects that I might be able to talk to?
18:35:53saratogai proposed the emulator project last year
18:35:58saratogaso i can talk to you about it
18:36:14Thesmyth1ohh, cool
18:36:45Thesmyth1've attempted writting an NES emulator before
18:36:48saratogaits an abitious project, last years student quit after a few weeks
18:36:57saratogahow far did you get?
18:37:25Thesmyth1It successfully rendered a test ROM that I get online, but failed to run an actually ROM
18:38:09Thesmyth1I spent most of the fall semester playing with it
18:38:18saratogahave you done assembly or HDL programming?
18:38:24Thesmyth1I was mostly writing it in VHDL and running it on an FPGA
18:38:44Thesmyth1but at the end it wasn't working right, so I coded it again in Java to make sure my logic was working out right
18:38:52Thesmyth1which is where the rendering was coming from
18:39:09saratogahave you done any ARM?
18:39:20saratogaor Coldfire I suppose if you're interested in those
18:39:35Thesmyth1I've done a bit of MIPS assembly in my Comp Eng classes
18:39:55Thesmyth1but I don't have any specific experience with ARM or Coldfire processors
18:40:35saratogaARM ressembles MIPS in some ways
18:40:51saratogawhat device were you interested in emulating?
18:41:08Thesmyth1at this point I don't have a specific device
18:41:34saratogano rockbox'ed player?
18:41:52Thesmyth1I have an H300 that has somehow lasted for 5 years :D
18:42:08Thesmyth1which is Coldfire
18:42:35saratogaa coldfire emulator could be a project, but its less interesting because there have been no new coldfire players in a long time
18:42:58Thesmyth1would I need the actual device, or do I just need to find good specs for the chips
18:43:15saratogayou'll probably need a device
18:43:29Thesmyth1ok then
18:43:49Thesmyth1so I can use debugging tools to get more info about the hardware?
18:45:08Thesmyth1I've never done any reverse engineering stuff specifically, but what type of work is required?
18:45:10saratogaparticularly if you chose to emulate a target with little documentation
18:45:18saratogayes you'll be doing a very large amount of that
18:45:43saratogaeven for targets where we have docs, they're seldom entirely complete, and do not tell you how the manufactorer has wired up the chip
18:45:58saratogafor many targets, the only docs are the rockbox source code
18:47:05saratogawe have one half workign emulator for the PP based Sandisk Sansa e200v1, and it was written mostly by looking at the rockbox source code and the docs for the ARM7TDMI processor
18:47:16saratogabut it was quite incomplete
18:48:40Thesmyth1so since I've never done it, how do you test chip functionality?
18:48:57Thesmyth1would I have to write custom code to run on rockbox to test the chips?
18:49:49saratogai think you would start with the rockbox source code and the docs [if any exist] and then take a standard arm emulator
18:49:58saratogathen begin implementing the hardware devices that rockbox has drivers for
18:50:08saratogauntil you get rockbox to boot
18:51:22Thesmyth1alright, that's pretty much what I figured
18:52:14Thesmyth1it sounds really interesting
18:52:42saratogayou might take a look at the old emulator
18:52:47saratogaits on our patch tracker somewhere
18:53:12saratogaits a standard arm emulator combined with a second emulator for screen, buttons, etc
18:53:35Thesmyth1ok, I definitely will
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18:56:45Thesmyth1thanks for the info, I'll look into that and drop by again
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19:07:03dberg918just saw that the themes site is up, and I wanted to say kudos!
19:07:43dberg918and now a question
19:08:24dberg918if I've already uploaded a couple themes to the old WPS gallery, do I need to resubmit to have them included on the themes site?
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19:09:18rasherdberg918: Yes, we'd like the authors to upload them to the new theme site. Take note of the license, if you've used graphics/code from other people's themes
19:10:38dberg918I'll try to get mine ready to upload later today
19:12:41rasherGreat, it's still a bit empty there
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19:13:30rasherdberg918: it would actually be great if you could delete your theme from the wpsgallery at the same time, or make a (very obvious) note that it's been moved.
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19:14:48low_lightkugel, pyro_maniac: I have the Samsung yh-820 & yh-925. I've got the lcd and buttons working in a basic bootloader (not a full build yet)
19:15:50low_lightI have also looked at the yh-920 firmware and have written a basic lcd driver (although I don't have an actual device)
19:16:34pyro_maniaclow_light: maybe you can upload it and i will test it tomorrow or on weekend
19:17:04low_lightI *hope* to commit the basic target trees next week for all three
19:17:07kugellow_light: oh, can I have some code?
19:17:31JdGordon||those arnt the samsung players with bluetooth yeah?
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19:17:42kugelI've got a 925, and a 820 with pretty dead battery (the latter only temporary)
19:17:57pyro_maniacand i have a 920
19:18:08low_lightjdgordon|: more PP5020
19:18:20kugellow_light: Would be nice if you could share the lcd+button code. The rest can be taken from h10 it seems
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19:18:51low_lightkugel: I'm at work and can't get to it now
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19:19:38kugeldarn. well, I'm struggeling with the lcd a bit. the h10 20GB lcd driver works almost, but the window addresses need to be fixed
19:19:41low_lightkugel: from what I recall, you can set the y-offset to 0 and add an x-offset of 16
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19:20:29low_lightit will still be flipped/mirrored though. I had to change the entry mode register too
19:22:26low_lightkugel: the ports also need a codec driver for the AK4537
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19:24:24barrywardellkugel: the USB thing is probably that your device uses a different GPIO bit to detect USB than the H10 does. Look at firmware/target/arm/usb-fw-pp502x.c
19:24:26low_lightkugel: I'm also not sure if all the power settings in the h10 driver are right for the 925. I need to compare with what the 925 OF uses.
19:24:48jian2587Q: I'm using Sansa C200. How do I temporarily boot back to the original firmware from rockbox?
19:25:37kugelbarrywardell: yea, I guessed that. USB works fine though
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19:26:04low_lightkugel: USB detect is GPIOD bit 7 (from my notes)
19:26:05rasherjian2587: This is covered in the manual section 3.1.3
19:26:16jian2587rasher: thank you.
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19:28:40barrywardellkugel: great!
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19:38:38Bagder4g greyscale shows a lot of colour...
19:39:20rasherYes.. it's a tough one
19:39:44Bagderah yes, the m5 has the same problem
19:40:08rasherIt would be fairly easy to just require display depth match
19:40:19rasherBut then, some themes might work anyway
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19:40:44rasherDepending on whether they use backdrops and viewports with colours defined
19:41:06BigBambirasher: I think it is probbaly better to miss a few working ones than have Rockbox Utility install non-working ones
19:41:39BigBambirasher: Also someone *might* think that RBUtil can magically make their greyscale player colour :)
19:42:09rasherWell, with some added sql magic, we could make sure the theme works, but the screenshot will of course not be accurate. rbutil could be informed of this
19:42:42BigBambiwell that is even better :)
19:43:58kugellet checkwps check the depth?
19:45:14rasherCheckwps just needs to check the syntax. That means the theme will load and work. It might not look good, but there's no way checkwps can know that
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19:48:35kugellow_light: D7 doesn't seem to work
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20:03:00archivatorAnyone using FS #9857?
20:03:30archivatorsorry - FS #8400 is what I meant.
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20:06:13low_lightkugel: when I connect usb, GPIOD_INPUT_VAL goes from 0xE8 to 0xF8 (bit 7 goes high)
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20:09:38kugellow_light: that's not bit 7
20:09:56kugelmore like bit 4
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20:14:32low_lightkugel: my bad, you're right...that's why I write things down
20:14:51taylor_ Thanks to cmwslw for finding this link on the Rockbox site. I'm just wondering, its marked as "confidential", Does anyone know who uploaded it? (the doc is on the chip in the new ipods)
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20:16:06Nico_Parchivator: hi! I've spent a little time toying with the spectrum idea and I'v got a little test plugin that gets the PCM data that's about to get sent to the DAC
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20:19:10archivatorNico_P: thanks to a tip from jhMikeS I found the bug in my code that basically discarded most of the data *blush* It now uses the peak buffer to get a pretty low latency copy of the data going to the DAC. I'm currently toying with visualization and FFT
20:19:36Nico_Pyou're using pcm_play_dma_get_peak_buffer?
20:20:43kugellow_light: hm, no success. Seems to freeze just before the main menu shows
20:20:55Nico_Pwould you agree to pastebin the code?
20:21:02archivatorNico_P: Only, my first attempts discarded much of the data and I started looking for a different path. After a more careful look, I found my mistake and .. it's a matter of lots of fixed-point math now :)
20:21:13archivatorNico_P: which part? My current plugin is not usable.
20:21:29kugellow_light: will be back later. I hope you can hand some code out then (or pastebin it, so that I can read the logs and get it).
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20:21:41archivatorI'm gonna post an FS entry as soon as I have something working anyway..
20:22:20JdGordon||Nico_P: hey, so what do you recon about 9795?
20:23:39Nico_PI haven't had much time to think about a possible way to make the various parts interact
20:24:21JdGordon||so we should sit tight and do nothing until we discuss things properly?
20:24:33*JdGordon|| is ok with that btw...
20:25:14JdGordon||also, I dont know if you saw the other patch, but I want to move the cuesheet logic out of the wps code and into playback somehow
20:25:33JdGordon||the seeking/loading part anyway
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20:25:54Nico_Pyes, that would be a good thing
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20:26:33Nico_PI think we should discuss it, yes. I don't have much planned this weekend so maybe I'll be able to give it some thought and maybe start a discussion on the ML
20:26:47Nico_Pbut if you have ideas and/or want to do so, feel free :)
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20:43:17low_lightJdGordon||: Is there an easy way to not draw the status bar on just a remote?
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20:43:40archivatorIs there a way to compile _parts_ of rockbox core without debug output? The graphics optimizations (vertical/horizontal lines) are flooding my sim output..
20:43:42low_lightI have the m:robe 100 remote working. I guess I'd like to not use the status bar on the remote, rather have it update the lcd icons
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20:44:24JdGordon||low_light: no, never has been an option to disable the bar on one screen.... if you do a custom build it should be a simple change though
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21:00:10low_lightjdgordon||: I also want multifont. The remote display is really only practical with < 8pt fonts, but that's too small for the main display.
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21:01:17JdGordon||yeah, multifont would be nice...
21:01:39JdGordon||we could hack together a patch which lets you use 2 different fonts for 2 screen targets easily
21:01:46*JdGordon|| wonders why it hasnt been done yet
21:02:27JdGordon||I'll play with that tonight maybe...
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21:02:55low_lightthat would be nice :-)
21:03:21JdGordon||I'm not sure how much work would be involved... i cant imagine there is much
21:04:24JdGordon||worst case.. we can force the remote display to use sysfont (yes, not very good... )
21:04:25low_lightThere's acually another problem with the statusbar...there's no sanity checks for it's width. It doesn't fit on the 79x16 display, so it data aborts.
21:04:46JdGordon||doesnt surprise me :p
21:06:34rwcrHi, anyone around for talk about a GSoC project?
21:06:47JdGordon||a few of us...
21:07:53JdGordon||low_light: but yeah... if you want to disable the bar on the remote its a very simple change.. apps/gui/statusbar.c i tihnk there is a macro/function named is_bar_displayed() or something... just get the to return false for screen==1 and your all set
21:08:23rwcrI've been looking at the project list, and I'm especially drawn to the ideas about extending Rockbox's USB support beyond basic mass storage device.
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21:10:34rwcrAdmittedly I'm pretty new to Rockbox, but I was a core iPodLinux developer for a while (I was josh_ there, new nickname because there are too many Joshes around :-) so I think I have a pretty good idea of the low-level development that'd be involved.
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21:11:30pixelmaspeaking of statusbar - I saw a weird glitch on my c200 just now (and it was reproducible). When going to the colour settings > line selector > primary colour > colour choser, backing out of that screen blanks the statusbar and it stays this way in the submenus, entering the main menu or WPS and then go back, makes it reappear
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21:12:07scorcherwcr: what sort of question did you have about the project(s)?
21:12:14*scorche adds an s
21:12:21taylor_rwcr: are you saying you want to help?
21:12:25gevaertsrwcr: I guess that means you have a supported ipod and that you know C :)
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21:13:01JdGordon||pixelma: buzz kugel about that later :) he's doing a good job at fixing them
21:13:07rwcrMainly I wanted to know how feasible that sort of thing would be - how strong Rockbox's general USB infrastructure is, how much documentation is available on the protocol in question, etc.
21:13:16rwcrAnd yes, I want to help, and I have a 5G iPod and I know C and ARM assembler.
21:13:25low_lightjdgordon||: looks like there's some code there with VP_SB_ONSCREEN() macros. I guess that's intended for wps.
21:13:32BigBambiJdGordon|: I'd love multifont too, but different remote and main fonts would be a good start :)
21:14:00taylor_rwcr: You were a developer for iPL?
21:14:06rwcrI was indeed.
21:14:13LiTHiUM0XiD3so can i ask a question? why could i get rockbox and such running on my 1st gen nano... have it all super sweet... and i cant do the same for my PMP 1xx? i mean those things already run linux...
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21:14:40scorcheLiTHiUM0XiD3: because non one has done the work necessary to port it to those devices
21:14:49JdGordon||low_light: that could be it... i'm at work so cant be more specifc :/ )
21:14:56rwcrI'm Josh - I wrote various stuff, most notably the modular podzilla version.
21:15:19LiTHiUM0XiD3i wish someone would do something for the PM 1xx
21:15:20domonokyrwcr: on what USB extensions are you interessted ? More usb device classes, or maybe usb host ?
21:15:22gevaertsrwcr: protocol documentation is not a problem. We're only talking about standardised things here
21:15:27BigBambiLiTHiUM0XiD3: Rockbox needs to be adapted to the specific hardware in a player.
21:15:34LiTHiUM0XiD3oh i know
21:15:36JdGordon||pixelma: isnt there a problem currently with targets sharing wps' where one has the remote and one doesnt so the fonts being used are different?
21:15:41LiTHiUM0XiD3like running a hackintosh..
21:15:51LiTHiUM0XiD3kernel and such has to be modified...
21:15:56rwcrUSB host would be great, but I'm not sure the iPod can support it, and I don't have any other types of players to work with - which'd make development rather difficult.
21:16:10scorchethe iPod cannot, right
21:16:21LiTHiUM0XiD3i know the difficulties... just wishin someone would do it lolz.. or hopin i could somehow help aswell...
21:16:21BigBambiLiTHiUM0XiD3: Only people who want it enough will do it.
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21:17:00LiTHiUM0XiD3i have minor linux skills..
21:17:07LiTHiUM0XiD3enough to run my own install with all my own spec
21:17:19gevaertsLiTHiUM0XiD3: you know that rockbox isn't based on linux, right?
21:17:24BigBambiLiTHiUM0XiD3: Let's stay on topic please
21:17:24scorchewell, rockbox isnt linux...can you program in C?
21:17:46gevaertsrwcr: I assume you've read the USB bits on the SummerOfCode2009 page?
21:17:46LiTHiUM0XiD3i know its not linux based...
21:17:53rwcrI was thinking more along the lines of implementing the MTP device class, with the hopeful goal of letting files get transferred while Rockbox was running.
21:17:57rwcrYeah, I've read those bits.
21:18:02pixelmaJdGordon||: can't think of one. There was the problem with the Clip WPS which was the same as the Iriver remote and if you didn't want to break it, the WPS looked wrong on the Clip because it uses a different sized default font but that's been solved by giving the Clip an on WPS
21:18:04LiTHiUM0XiD3but with a linux OS already on the PMP 1xx it shouldnt be hard..
21:18:15LiTHiUM0XiD3and im shit with C...
21:18:44LiTHiUM0XiD3i started learnin a few yrs ago.... got rly into it... but then got bored and moved onto delphi..
21:18:54LiTHiUM0XiD3which i only half picked up on aswell
21:19:08rwcrActually, maybe a USB-Ethernet implementation would be more useful - not sure how well that's supported host-end for the average user, though.
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21:19:10scorcheLiTHiUM0XiD3: if you are trying to convince someone here to work on it for you, i dont think is going to work well...ports are started by people with the motivation, the capability, and the device itself
21:19:26LiTHiUM0XiD3im not askin someone else to it for me at all
21:19:37LiTHiUM0XiD3im just stating that i know i dont have the skills to finish it...
21:19:48LiTHiUM0XiD3i would be glad to help tho in any way i can
21:20:00gevaertsrwcr: I think the infrastructure is solid enough for MTP (and probably ethernet). The only thing really missing would be support for choosing at runtime what driver to load
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21:20:16BigBambiLiTHiUM0XiD3: Best get learning those C skills then - that is really the only way to help
21:20:41taylor_rwcr: Actually, not that I remember, I do think I remember you supplying iPL with some helpful code. I think working on the USB interface is a really good idea.
21:21:00*domonoky doesnt know if Ethernet-over-USB is really helpfull, its just "cool". i Think MTP and USB audio would be more helpfull :-)
21:21:08scorchetaylor_: hush
21:21:50gevaertsrwcr: I suspect that if we have a USB ethernet implementation with widely available drivers (I don't know how well standard CDC is supported by OSes), it should be easy to setup
21:22:04rwcrgevaerts: That's good - so it'd be mostly a matter of writing the appropriate drivers and figuring out good ways of integrating them.
21:22:23LiTHiUM0XiD3i plan to get brushin up on my C... just want to know if anybody else is or has done any work regardin the PMP -1xx
21:22:27pixelmaUnhelpful: tested FS #9992 a bit on both my Ondio and c200. On the c200 controls seem to work nicely now and feel intuitive, on the Ondio the long "off" was a bit weird. Since the long "power" on c200 doesn't bother me, I'm assuming this is because a short "off" on the Ondio does nothing (in contrast to short "power" on c200)
21:22:38pixelmait either feels unresponsive or uncomfortable since you don't know when the hard poweroff kicks in. I'd try a short "off" on the Ondio
21:22:43rwcrtaylor_: Thanks :-) I'm hoping to do something close to the hardware, since I've already done quite a bit in terms of user-interface media player stuff and I'm a bit burned out on that side of things.
21:22:45scorcheLiTHiUM0XiD3: you can search the wiki and the forums to find that out
21:23:04BigBambiLiTHiUM0XiD3: Not that I remember - check out the wiki and New Ports forum
21:23:07LiTHiUM0XiD3i prolly shoulda done that lolz
21:23:20LiTHiUM0XiD3thing is... i see soo much potential
21:23:29taylor_rwcr: Yeah, its always good to change it up once in a while ;)
21:23:38LiTHiUM0XiD3the PMP 1xx from what ive been readin is the perfect platform to work with..
21:23:38scorcheLiTHiUM0XiD3: and please use real words in here as the guidelines linked in the topic say...
21:24:03LiTHiUM0XiD3yeah man no worries... i appoligize... im used to typin IM heh
21:24:33rwcrIs there anything you'd like me to hash out with you before typing up a proposal, to make sure I'm not wasting time with back-and-forths?
21:24:40gevaertshave you looked into USB before?
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21:25:55BigBambigevaerts: Which class is it that needs to be done to allow proper charging on Windows?
21:26:06pixelmaUnhelpful: just saw in the code that a short "off" should actually do something, didn't discover it while using pf
21:26:17rwcrVery briefly, in the context of writing a driver from scratch (hobbyist OS type thing). I have a general idea of the structure of USB communications, but at the time I was discouraged by how complicated it was.
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21:26:25gevaertsBigBambi: the consensus on that is HID, but any class that's non-intrusive works
21:26:31rwcrWith some basic infrastructure already in place I think I'd be able to handle it much better.
21:27:03*domonoky would really like usb audio. then you could use the dap the hear fm-radio on you pc :-)
21:27:04BigBambigevaerts: I'd put that high up the list then :)
21:27:19taylor_rwcr: I'm guessing then, it would be much easier to look at the usb code for Rockbox already, and then add to it?
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21:27:47gevaertsHave a look at the files in firmware/usbstack. usb_serial.c basically implements the minimum you can get away with and still call it a real driver
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21:27:56rwcrtaylor_: That's what I'm figuring.
21:28:11domonokytaylor_: could you please stop guessing things, if you dont know the details ? :-)
21:28:12rwcrAnd I'll take a look, gevaerts.
21:28:37gevaertsUSB audio is possible, but that requires a bit of low-level driver as well.
21:28:56rwcrI'm assuming it'd be pretty easy to find the protocol-level docs for whatever device class I wind up doing (seems like MTP would be the best one to start with).
21:29:11rwcrCould I propose one device class, and then if it doesn't take me the whole summer to finish it, work on others?
21:29:16gevaertshave a look at
21:29:27gevaertsrwcr: that's my idea, yes.
21:29:35BigBambirwcr: yep
21:29:41rwcrThat looks great - thanks for the link!
21:30:07gevaertsMaybe HID would be a good one to start with
21:30:25scorcherwcr: also, as i am not sure how useful USB-ethernet would be, i would like to see something more along the lines of mtp, usb-audio, HID, etc =)
21:30:43rwcrgevaerts: That's true, it's simpler and has a bit of "cool" factor as well (DAP as input device).
21:31:02rwcrscorche: Yeah, that's what I'm gathering - I wouldn't do USB-ethernet before the more useful alternatives.
21:31:07rasherrwcr: pluss it'll enable us to do a charging-only connection properly on windows
21:31:18BigBambirwcr: HID > mtp > usb-audio for me :)
21:31:22rwcrThis is why I wanted to discuss the idea, to see which choices would be most useful.
21:31:29rwcrrasher: Ah, I didn't realize it'd be useful for that - that's a good point.
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21:33:22gevaertsSounds like a useful ordering. I wouldn't start out with audio, as it may provide nice hardware-related hurdles. HID and MTP should be "just" software
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21:33:41rwcrStarting with HID sounds good, with a goal for the summer of HID + MTP, and USB-audio if I have the time for it.
21:33:50rwcrDoes that fit with what you're looking for?
21:34:12*JdGordon|| wonders how much work tagcache will have to play nice with mtp
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21:34:34gevaertsJdGordon||: can you give one file to tagcache to look at?
21:34:40rasherJdGordon||: none, I'd expect. Unless you mean updating the db while transferring?
21:34:41JdGordon||no idea
21:34:50gevaertsrwcr: I think so, yes
21:35:07rasherrwcr: Maybe you should also give runtime configuring of usb mode a thought
21:35:30casainhohello :-) −− I uploaded the Lyre bootloader patch: −− I hope is all ok.
21:36:09rwcrrasher: Good point - it seems like that'd be a prerequisite for my contribs being useful anyway.
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21:36:33rwcrMaybe a pop-up on the device screen that asks the user to pick what they want the device to be, or something similar.
21:36:39rasherIn the long run, yes. But I imagine the two things can be done more or less independently?
21:37:12BigBambirwcr: Could just be a setting I would think
21:37:18BigBambirwcr: I wouldn't want to be asked on every boot
21:37:24rwcrShould be. While I'm working on the drivers I can just make the driver I'm working on the default.
21:37:36rasherBigBambi: I'd imagine the question coming up on connect?
21:37:51gevaertsI think it needs to be a normal setting. Asking the user on plugin means long waiting times during enumeration and will give issues
21:37:58BigBambirasher: I wouldn't want to be asked on every connect either
21:38:00rwcrBigBambi: Yeah, that's probably a better idea. "Act as: hard disk/media player/input device/speakers"
21:38:05rasherBoth ways have pros/cons
21:38:15taylor_rwcr: I like the idea of the setting. Or, you could do something "Do not ask again" choice.
21:38:19rwcrAnd if the user hasn't set it yet, a notice on connect that it's currently acting as X and they can change it if they want.
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21:38:32rwcrThat would avoid the enumeration wait-time issues.
21:38:35BigBambiMaybe a button press? i.e. just plug for MSC, menu for charging, play for MTP etc?
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21:39:31BigBambirwcr: Either way, the way to chose between modes is minor detail I think
21:39:43rwcrYeah, best to get the driver support first.
21:39:53gevaertsConfiguration should be a day's work or so...
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21:43:54BigBambirwcr: Just speaking personally I would very much like to see this done :)
21:44:07*gevaerts agrees, but he may be biased
21:45:24rwcrThanks - I'm hoping to get the chance to do it!
21:46:09gevaertswell, someone has to do it :)
21:46:44taylor_rwcr: Good luck, keep us updated ;)
21:47:47rwcrI will. :-)
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21:50:14taylor_evilnick: ?
21:50:40evilnickSorry all, wrong channel
21:50:50taylor_I think you meant to post in community :)
21:50:52taylor_Oh, ok!
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21:56:06rewtstylehey guys. anyone here built FS #8806 - MikMod MOD, S3M, IT, XM player on a linux box? im no expert, but it kinda feels like some files the patch(es) want to alter just dont exist in the current svn tree
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21:58:28evilnickrewtstyle: Can you build Rockbox without the patch?
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22:02:21rewtstyleevilnick yep, that works just fine. (building against arm). im not saying that the files are actually missing, but that maybe the source tree has been reorganized or whatever has happened there :)
22:03:11evilnickAre you using the latest patch from the comments on that task?
22:04:15rewtstyleive tried different things, and among them the patch posted on 12 feb.
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22:05:57evilnickThe only other thing that I'd try then is to get the svn from the 12th Feb and try that
22:06:18rewtstyleyea ill check that out, thx :)
22:07:09evilnickBest of luck ;)
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22:09:40IuDeXI have one question. Can we access second GB on v1 sansa AMS? I want to compile the RB.
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22:12:46IuDeXCan anybody answer me?
22:13:15taylor_IuDeX: woah, hold on! :) Im guessing you mean "rockbox" from 'RB'?
22:13:28evilnickIuDeX: Sansa are either v1 or AMS I thought? Is it the e-series or the c-series?
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22:14:06Bagderthere are v1s and v2s of the amses
22:14:29IuDeXtaylor_: Yes. "RB" is "rockbox"
22:14:48taylor_IuDeX: haha. Ok, just wanted to clarify.
22:15:06BagderIuDeX: I believe that stuff is still in a patch
22:15:16IuDeXIn the Sansa AMS is the Clip. There are 2 versions of this. Clipv1 and Clipv2. :)
22:15:49taylor_v2 sansas are the fuze
22:16:07gevaertstaylor_: no
22:16:08Bagdertaylor_: he's right
22:16:10ender`clip v2 is the 8GB version, right?
22:16:11IuDeXtaylor_: so what about Clip v1 and v2?
22:16:17evilnickBagder: Ah, hence the name change. V2V1 and V2V2 would be more confusing!
22:16:19gevaertsPlease don't talk about things you know nothing about
22:16:43Bagderevilnick: we thought so yes... :-)
22:17:19taylor_Sorry, I was going by this: "v2 Fuze" when I looked it up.
22:17:39Bagderyes, there's a v1 fuze and a v2 fuze
22:17:52Bagderboth being AMS
22:18:00IuDeXSo can we access second GB or not? :)
22:18:06BagderIuDeX: I believe that stuff is still in a patch
22:18:17Bagderin the patch tracker
22:18:32Bagderso yes, but not with the svn code
22:18:50IuDeXBagder: ok thanks ;)
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22:19:22IuDeXSo I have to wait for svn.
22:19:42taylor_you could compile it in with the SVN code
22:22:46IuDeXthanks all for help
22:22:53IuDeXbye :)
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22:26:07taylor_yep. np
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22:36:38rasherBagder: how long does building a set of manuals take?
22:37:11Bagdernot a very long time, perhaps 20 minutes or so
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22:37:42rasherAh, that's a bit too long to build on all changes in /manual/ I guess
22:38:05Bagderunless we do it distributed! ;-)
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22:40:25sdubois92I am getting the "database not ready" message, but it is working. I just want to start the database over. I have database_1.tcd all the way to 8 and idx.tcd. get rid of them all?
22:41:10archivatorI am too tired to post an FS entry at the moment, so if anyone would like to see a pre-pre-pre-alpha version of my frequency analyzer work (it's a mess, the graph doesn't update regularly and is hardly usable at all), see here: Tested only on ipodvideo sim. It's not much but it's a start...
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22:44:38BigBambisdubois92: yes, delete all .tcd files
22:44:46n1sBagder: what do you think of some kind of notification of a failed manual build, it has happened a couple of times and is usually not noticed until much later
22:45:10Bagderwe should have that yes
22:45:25Bagderat least in the daily manual builds
22:45:35BigBambiIt would be very handy
22:49:35Bagdernice activity in the installer "button" thread I must say
22:53:36BigBambiBigBambi: Yes, anything to steer people at RBUtil is a good thing IMO
22:53:45BigBambier, Bagder
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23:20:28flybackso what's a inexpensive decent music player I can throw rockbox on
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23:30:54cxoHello... I'm in the market for a PMP.
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23:33:20cxoRead the buyers guide, and Hmmm'd a lot. I basically want a Zune with Linux on it. But then after more reading, and more research, I realised that was like asking for 7 virgins after I die
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23:33:51gevaertsif you want linux, you're in the wrong channel
23:34:18cxos/Linux/Open Source OS
23:35:33gevaertscxo: have a look at
23:36:10cxoI read that (didnt i say that?)
23:36:10linuxstbRockbox is focused on being an audio player (although it does have a basic, mpeg-1 or mpeg-2 only video player). Maybe not ideal if you're looking for a PMP
23:36:20cxoOh I see
23:36:25gevaertsah yes you did. Sorry
23:36:58cxoWhat was that project that made Linux kernels for PDAs?
23:37:06*cxo forgets what its called
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23:40:19linuxstbcxo: But the Gigabeat S runs Rockbox (it's not quite reached "supported" status though), and that's basically a Zune minus the wifi.
23:41:48cxoNot bad
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23:44:50cxoWifi is very hot though
23:46:51gevaertsyes. We prefer cool players :)
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23:56:40cxohmm this Onda one isnt bad
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