#rockbox 2009-03-28

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#rockbox log for 2009-03-28

00:00:28	Ubuntuxer	which lib does I need? ‘const struct plugin_api’ has no member named ‘set_viewport’
00:01:01	JdGordon\|	might be viewport_set().... do a call to that with NULL as the param at the beginig of your plugin and se what happens
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00:01:33	Llorean	You really shouldn't try to load fonts with a plugin
00:01:46	Llorean	You don't even know if the font is going to be present on the system.
00:01:54	Llorean	Though at least you have decent odds of the default theme font being present
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00:02:59	rasher	even worse, can you unload it again?
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00:06:44	Ubuntuxer	Ok, so you recommend not to use font_load()
00:07:05	linuxstb	rasher: That should be possible - the font name is stored is the settings struct.
00:07:40	rasher	Aha! So can we center the font browser on the currently loaded font?
00:07:59	linuxstb	Ubuntuxer: It's not going to be very portable across the different devices Rockbox works on.
00:08:07	linuxstb	rasher: Well MrSomeone should be able to...
00:08:14	rasher	linuxstb: sounds good
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00:08:56	Ubuntuxer	I'm seeing that rockpaint uses font_load()
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00:10:09	Ubuntuxer	@linuxstb I would like to make it depence on screen size
00:10:10	JdGordon\|	rasher: havn't we agreed that thats never going to happen?
00:10:25	rasher	We have? Why not?
00:10:39	*	linuxstb can't even remember a discussion about it...
00:11:09	rasher	I suggested it once, and everyone agreed it was a good idea. Clearly not the same occasion
00:11:15	JdGordon\|	becuase its not needed, and just pointless bloat... also not so easy
00:11:34	rasher	It's not in any way pointless
00:11:37	linuxstb	It sounds useful to me.
00:11:45	rasher	It helps the user pick another similarly sized font
00:12:06	linuxstb	JdGordon\|: Maybe the last statement is true (i.e. not easy), but I wouldn't agree with your first two statements.
00:12:21	JdGordon\|	well.. jump into umm.... ft_enter() maybe and add it :)
00:13:05	Ubuntuxer	Isn't it possible to set global, the standart font for some players bigger
00:13:21	linuxstb	Ubuntuxer: The user chooses the current font (via the theme they choose)
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00:15:48	Ubuntuxer	Even the font, which displayed with lcd_putsxy() ?
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00:16:38	JdGordon\|	Ubuntuxer: is the font being shown in lcd_putsxy() the 8pixel high "sysfont" ?
00:16:51	JdGordon\|	when the theme is using a different font?
00:17:10	linuxstb	Ubuntuxer: You have two fonts - FONT_SYSFIXED and FONT_UI
00:17:24	rasher	Putsxy just uses the currently selected font
00:17:49	JdGordon\|	i think its tricky when viewports are involved (which they may be)
00:20:48	JdGordon\|	will anyone mind if i put a email on the dev email along the lines of "this email is to get discussion happening... i'll add my bit after those that know more about it get their bit in"?
00:21:01	JdGordon\|	re playback rework stuff
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00:26:58	enterusername	hi. Where can i find a list of "current" mp3 players being developed that work with rockbox
00:27:03	enterusername	i can not find it on the wiki :)
00:27:11	enterusername	So ones that are currently being made and sold.....
00:28:10	Ubuntuxer	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus#New_Platforms_Currently_Under_De
00:28:34	enterusername	that works htanks :)
00:28:52	gevaerts	Right now none of the players that are supported by rockbox are still being marketed
00:29:10	enterusername	isnt gigabeat s currently marketed?
00:29:11	enterusername	or no?
00:30:30	gevaerts	You may still be able to find one in a shop somewhere, but I don't think Toshiba is still actively selling them
00:31:32	gevaerts	JdGordon\|: you mean something like "This is the topic, please discuss"? You can try, but I expect more success if you start out by including some real content. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean?
00:32:15	JdGordon\|	no, thats what i mean
00:32:20	*	JdGordon\| gives it a try
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01:44:19	webguest73	Hello Gevaerts how are you
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01:45:04	webguest73	Im trying to implement a serial plugin and would like your help
01:45:39	webguest73	Gevaerts: Got some time to spear?
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01:47:50	Unhelpful	i believe he's asleep. this channel is logged, so he'll likely notice that someboy was trying to talk to him, but that will be a good while from now.
01:48:31	webguest73	ok...thanks
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02:13:38	webguest73	Does anyone know how to manually activate the usbserial driver
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02:14:23	webguest73	normally its activated by pressing select while connected to a computer via usb
02:14:51	webguest73	I want to do this sequence of actions through code
02:15:31	webguest73	I've been grepping throuh the code but have not been able to track the logic down
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02:23:22	JdGordon	webguest73: my (uneducated) guess is look in apps/screens.c for usb_screen()
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02:31:08	webguest73	JdGordon: thanks, I'll have a look
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03:18:56	webguest98	ok so ive downloaded a theme thats compatible with 3.2, how do i add it to my ipod 5th generation video?
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03:20:59	webguest98	hello?
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03:22:30	webguest98	can someone help me out?
03:23:27	ucchan	The Rockbox Utility (r20559) builds failure.
03:24:09	ucchan	Please commit ttsfestivalcfgform.ui (in FS #9983).
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03:30:05	evilnick	ucchan: According to the frontpage it is comitted
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03:35:38	webguest44	hello
03:36:01	evilnick	hi
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03:39:50	webguest44	can you hgelp me with installing a theme on my ipod
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03:40:31	evilnick	I'll try. What is the problem (we encourage people to just ask, not ask if they can ask)
03:41:48	webguest44	ok welll i have an ipod 5.5 80 gig
03:42:14	webguest44	i have the theme downloaded i just dont know how to put it on the ipod so that it recognizes it when im in the menu
03:43:33	evilnick	You just extract it from the .zip file onto the player
03:44:32	webguest44	i did that, i'll do it again and see if it works this time
03:44:55	evilnick	What OS do you have on your computer?
03:45:38	webguest44	windows xp proffesional
03:46:17	evilnick	Which application are you using to extract the theme?
03:47:50	webguest44	zipeg, i extract it straight to my ipod, then i go to my ipod and the extracted file shows up on the ipod
03:48:33	evilnick	Is the extracted file within the .rockbox folder? Or is it in it's own folder?
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03:49:05	webguest44	in its own folder along with: notes, rockbox, etc...
03:50:31	evilnick	Ah, in that case, go into that folder. Cut/Copy the .rockbox folder from there and then paste it to the root of the iPod
03:50:45	evilnick	Windows will ask if you want to replace any files within .rockbox so say Yes
03:51:28	webguest44	ok i think i get what your sayin i'll try it
03:52:49	evilnick	Basically, the .zip file has the correct folder structure to put all the files into the correct places, but you've extracted that to iPod/[name of theme]
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03:54:56	webguest44	ok so im about to extract it, where do i extract it to?
03:55:44	evilnick	The iPod itself. So if it's shown as E: then you extract to E:
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03:57:05	webguest44	ok so then i should just be able to disconect the ipod, boot it up, and be able to change it to that theme?
03:57:28	evilnick	Did it extract properly? No error messages?
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04:01:11	webguest44	when i go to my ipod it says the theme name in the main directory, its still not working
04:02:01	evilnick	Try going to Settings
04:02:32	Unhelpful	if he's seeing it in his main directory, it's either packaged incorrectly (themesite should catch that), or it's been extracted improperly.
04:02:41	evilnick	Then Theme Settings, then Browse Themes
04:03:04	evilnick	Unhelpful: It was extracted incorrectly, but we've re-extracted it correctly now (I hope)
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04:07:03	webguest44	hmmm its just not working... its alright... why cant i add themes through the utility rockbox provides anymore?
04:08:48	evilnick	webguest44: The themes are currently being updated to work with RBUtil.
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04:14:51	webguest44	ok, i got it to work, i had to extract the theme to my desktop, then add each file individualy to the director on my ipod
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06:29:06	bublisher	Is der anybody with GSoC mentorship?
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06:48:38	LinuxMafia	hello
06:49:12	LinuxMafia	i have a sansa e250 the screen stays black when i turn it on
06:49:37	LinuxMafia	the light is on
06:49:54	LinuxMafia	but the screen is black
06:51:04	LinuxMafia	any one can help me with that?
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06:59:20	LinuxMafia	any one?
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07:05:01	evilnick1	LinuxMafia: Have you tried recovery mode?
07:05:36	LinuxMafia	evilnick1, yes
07:05:42	LinuxMafia	screen tays bklack
07:08:17	evilnick1	And you can't boot into the OF?
07:08:23	LinuxMafia	no
07:08:31	evilnick1	Did you recently drop it?
07:08:40	LinuxMafia	yeah
07:08:51	LinuxMafia	i hit it somewhere
07:09:18	LinuxMafia	but it worked after
07:09:27	evilnick1	I had the same thing with mine then - to fix it, I unscrewed the case and re-seated the memory chip (doesn't need any tools, just use your fingers)
07:10:04	LinuxMafia	oh thanks i try it now
07:10:26	evilnick1	If you have the right screwdriver then it'll take maybe 2 mins
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07:15:53	LinuxMafia	evilnick1, thanks alot
07:16:01	LinuxMafia	it is working now
07:16:17	LinuxMafia	evilnick1, you made my day thanks
07:16:33	evilnick1	\0/
07:18:33	LinuxMafia	thanks so much
07:18:49	LinuxMafia	working perfect now
07:19:14	lucent	lucky break
07:20:01	LinuxMafia	yeah now i cna slep
07:20:33	LinuxMafia	i can sleep
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07:21:04	LinuxMafia	good night
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09:15:34	lucent	for the logs, I tested my 8gb fuze and the AMS >1GB patch successfully. Pixel bugs still exist. Wheel motion is "okay" but not perfect.
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09:30:40	linuxstb	Reading the rbutil commits on the front page, does that mean that the latest release of rbutil doesn't work with the theme site now?
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09:35:06	n1s	any oppinions on FS #9956? (I'm slightly for keeping the bitmap menu as it is but dont' feel strongly about it)
09:39:32	Unhelpful	the bitmap menu "looks nice", but if it's in the way of being able to add playback control...
09:39:34	linuxstb	n1s: I think I feel the same as you.
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09:41:02	*	n1s doesn't care for the playback control much either
09:41:40	Unhelpful	there are some practical problems there - a majority of the plugins probably believe they are the only thing writing to the lcd framebuffer.
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09:42:52	linuxstb	IMO, plugins should all save their state when quitting, and then starting again resumes from where the user left off.
09:43:06	*	amiconn never used the playback control menu for anything except testing
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09:43:34	Unhelpful	hrm. it might almost be easier to have core do that for them...
09:43:50	n1s	linuxstb: i think that sounds like a great improvement, not sure how much work that would be though
09:44:28	Unhelpful	dump the framebuffer and plugin buffer to files with names based on the plugin, save stack contents, thread data, etc?
09:45:36	amiconn	Most plugins just run in the main thread, and that method might even work.
09:46:13	amiconn	But if a plugin starts additional threads or uses the timer, it would be impossible
09:46:15	Unhelpful	PF has a second thread, but that thread's state doesn't amount to much
09:46:44	n1s	what about plugins that claim the audio buffer, we don't want to dump all that to disk
09:47:12	Unhelpful	also, the user might be expecting a fresh start
09:47:17	amiconn	I don't think the core is able to handle that. It would also kinda contradict the purpose of plugins
09:47:58	Unhelpful	you can't (usefully) go to WPS if playback is stopped, anyway ;)
09:48:29	*	amiconn thinks the way plugins currently work doesn't need changing, as it's fine
09:51:57	linuxstb	Unhelpful: A user can easily force a fresh start, but defaulting to resuming where you left off would be nicer behaviour in many plugins IMO. e.g. Sudoku does that.
09:53:23	n1s	linuxstb: or just show a menu with a choice of "resume" or "new" when starting the plugin
09:54:04	Unhelpful	or let the plugin draw into a viewport in the wps, and run at the same time ;)
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10:00:46	linuxstb	n1s: I guess that depends on the plugin. For "static" things like Sudoku, I think it's nicer to show the user the state of the last game by default, then the user can start a new game in the normal way. For "action" games like Brickmania, it could perhaps start in "paused" mode (assuming there is one). The user would then either press "unpause" or "stop".
10:01:13	*	linuxstb isn't sure if we've answered n1s's question about FS #9956...
10:01:35	*	n1s isn't sure either :)
10:03:57	amiconn	Unhelpful: That would be a "visualisation plugin" - an old idea of mine
10:04:22	amiconn	Such a plugin could run as a tsr, but there are several fundamental problems to solve
10:05:02	amiconn	E.g. the wps needs to know that a visualisation plugin is running, and which screen area it covers
10:05:59	amiconn	Should be easier now that we have viewports
10:12:31	Unhelpful	also, i'd imagine the "it runs in the main thread" idea can't quite work anymore?
10:13:45	Unhelpful	Llorean and i talked a bit about this a few weeks ago, it came up because we were talking about an advanced playback control plugin, something that could queue random items via tagcache, or skip albums, things like that, and it would be neat if the interface could embed in the WPS
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10:17:21	Unhelpful	embedding PF as a vis plugin was suggested as a possible nice-to-do, as well.
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10:27:47	amiconn	PF as a visualisation wouldn't make sense imo
10:28:47	amiconn	What could be done (and that should be possible right now, without changing the plugin infrastructure) is to make PF actually select and start an album
10:29:19	amiconn	TSR plugins don't run in the main thread of course
10:30:33	Unhelpful	amiconn: if it snapped to the currently-playing album when left idle for a few seconds, actually, i think it could be something that people would like as a "visualization"... it would have to steal some controls, but then it could also be used to queue new albums.
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10:30:48	amiconn	They need to register a function that terminates the plugin when called. This is called by the plugin loader when another plugin is about to be loaded, and is allowed to refuse termination, in which case the new plugin won't be loaded of course
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10:31:22	amiconn	And visualisation plugins won't be able to use controls at all, because the wps is having full control
10:33:09	Unhelpful	true, but it might be nice if a way could be worked out around that. easiest would be just to have the vis plugin steal input entirely, use the WPS input context, and do what the WPS would've done on most inputs
10:33:49	rasher	Maybe it'd be simpler in the end to pass along input that it doesn't handle
10:34:05	rasher	To make sure the wps with and without such a thing stays consistent
10:34:15	rasher	Mostly consistent, of course.
10:34:16	linuxstb	rasher: Does the rbutil commit on the front page (r20558) mean that the current rbutil binaries don't work with the theme site any more?
10:34:21	amiconn	That's not possible. Only the main thread is allowed to read from the button queue.
10:34:28	rasher	linuxstb: yeah
10:34:42	linuxstb	rasher: Hmm, so the RockboxUtility page needs changing to mention that...
10:34:50	linuxstb	What exactly happens now?
10:34:57	rasher	linuxstb: An unfortunate side effect of what we had to do to properly take checkwps results into account
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10:35:10	linuxstb	Couldn't the change to the theme site have been delayed until a new rbutil release?
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10:35:36	rasher	linuxstb: no themes are found through rbutil. The status message tells the user an updated rbutil will be available shortly
10:36:05	rasher	linuxstb: it could, but then it was rather broken. Also I didn't realise it'd break rbutil
10:38:15	Unhelpful	amiconn: hrm, that's a problem. what would happen, though, if a thread were to attempt to read buttons, while the main thread were prevented entirely from doing so? could it be made to work, possibly with some changes to the button queue?
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10:40:00	linuxstb	rasher: It was nice for a few days ;)
10:40:01	amiconn	The button queue is stateful, so this wouldn't be possible without status monitoring. Switching control in the middle of sequences would cause short/longpress detection and related things to break
10:40:38	rasher	linuxstb: I think we should release rbutil this weekend unless bluebrother or domonoky have any reasons not to
10:40:45	amiconn	There are already enough similar problems just with switching screens....
10:41:16	linuxstb	rasher: That would be nice.
10:41:57	rasher	linuxstb: afaik svn does work (it was a rather easy fix), so unless they broke something else in the mean time, it shouldn't be a problem
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10:42:16	Unhelpful	right, but if it's done in terms of "this other thing is going to be taking over input entirely for a long time, so main stops checking", could it work?
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13:48:48	funman	Bagder: did you sign a NDA when you received the AS3525 datasheet?
13:49:52	gevaerts	funman: IIRC he did
13:50:19	funman	sounds normal
13:54:19	linuxstb	I thought he had permission to share it (to other Rockbox devs) though?
13:55:21	funman	the document I received mentions that "employees needing it" of course must receive them
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13:56:06	linuxstb	funman: It would be useful to know if you can share it with other devs...
13:56:35	*	gevaerts would compare the NDA with what Bagder got
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15:38:07	stripwax	I get an error about missing definition of USEC_TIMER (in button.c) building rockbox for h120 - but seems that USEC_TIMER is an Arm thing not a coldfire thing - any ideas?
15:39:39	stripwax	ah, it's because of the experimental gui boost patch. nevermind
15:40:49	linuxstb	stripwax: It's a PP thing, not even generic ARM.
15:41:11	stripwax	thanks.
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15:49:57	ZyL0R	Can anyone tell me why isn't USB yet enabled in 3.2? for Sansa e200 series?
15:50:14	gevaerts	There's a thread on the -dev mailing list that has the reasons
15:50:19	ZyL0R	ok
15:50:25	ZyL0R	i'll check it out
15:50:25	ZyL0R	thz
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15:50:58	gevaerts	http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2009-03/0168.shtml
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16:58:23	toffe82	nice processor on the meg50js : http://www.neomagic.com/product/mimagic3_pb.pdf
16:59:41	webguest85	gevaerts: Are you there?
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17:00:26	webguest85	I need your help with a usbserial plugin
17:00:27	gevaerts	webguest85: yes
17:00:58	webguest85	gevaerts: how are you...been trying to reach for a while now
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17:01:51	webguest85	gevaerts: I think I located the sequence of logic to enable the usbserial through code
17:03:01	webguest85	gevaerts:Doesnt seem possible throgh a plugin though
17:03:07	gevaerts	not yet, no
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17:05:29	webguest85	gevaerts:so not through a plugin...is it possible through the usb_init code?
17:05:43	gevaerts	what exactly do you mean?
17:05:57	gevaerts	Have you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb ?
17:06:46	webguest85	ultimately i want to contol rockbox via usbserial driver
17:06:56	webguest85	this way i can create a remote
17:07:39	webguest85	or accessories that can control rockbox
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17:11:37	webguest85	looking through the code it seems i can initiate the usbserial driver "on demand"
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17:12:38	webguest85	either through a irq or by simulating the right button press while usb is inserted
17:13:07	gevaerts	you need to enable it before the connection is started
17:15:02	webguest85	right..i noticed and assumed a plugin wouldnt work for this reason
17:16:00	webguest85	but if i can simulate the button press i could enable it the way it was done in debug_menu.c
17:16:39	gevaerts	have you looked at the TODO comment in usb_serial.c?
17:17:35	webguest85	no, i'll do so now...one sec
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17:33:32	webguest85	gevaerts: what do you think is the best approach to get this thing woking....
17:34:24	gevaerts	webguest85: add some code to generate button events at the TODO in usb_serial.c
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17:40:36	webguest85	gevaerts: at this point (TODO) usb is already connected...no?
17:40:59	gevaerts	yes
17:41:17	gevaerts	At that point yiu just got data
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17:42:38	webguest85	k... so i would have to enable the driver before this...no?
17:43:21	gevaerts	of course. That's what the debug menu is for...
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17:44:50	webguest85	k... i guess ill start there and try automating it more once i got something working
17:53:49	webguest85	I'm new to serial I/O and I'm still not clear how the usb serial mapping is done
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17:54:54	webguest85	is one bit mapped at a time or does the buffer contain a complete a full transmission
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17:57:48	webguest85	lets say i want to send 8 bits to the port...whats the best way to send it
17:58:54	gevaerts	on the rockbox side you see USB transfers. The length variable tells you how many bytes got received
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18:13:11	webguest85	k, lets say i want to send 0x00100000 to rockbox whats the best way to do this once i have /dev/ttyUSB0 on my linux box?
18:14:36	gevaerts	open /dev/ttyUSB0 and write 0x00100000? Seriously, this isn't the place for help on how to work with serial ports on linux
18:17:19	webguest85	sorry man...i was trying but didnt get it working
18:18:28	webguest85	i spent days reading up on this....but its hard to tell if im even doing the right thing
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18:19:42	gevaerts	Do you have the logf over usb stuff working?
18:19:51	webguest85	yes
18:21:00	gevaerts	with cu? Or something else?
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18:21:10	paulk	hello !
18:21:38	paulk	I'm french, does somebody speak french ? (I can speak english, but my english is very bad)
18:23:22	paulk	So, i'd like to buy a sansa e250 player (and i'll put rockbox on it) and i know only the v1 model is suported by rockbox. I found 2 boxes : http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq72/dsx_photo/e2502-640.jpg and http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/248679737_00a35dc89a.jpg . What player is the V1 ???
18:23:43	LambdaCalculus37	paulk: It's hard to tell by the box alone.
18:23:46	webguest85	I have cu...but the doc implies that its for dialing serial modems
18:24:11	paulk	yes, but i want to buy them on ebay, and they are not opened, so i can't see...
18:24:12	LambdaCalculus37	The only surefire way to find out if it's a v1 is to check the firmware revision. 01.XX.XX will be v1; 03.XX.XX will be v2.
18:24:21	paulk	i know :-)
18:24:25	LambdaCalculus37	paulk: Ask the seller to tell you what the firmware version is.
18:24:39	LambdaCalculus37	Or just buy and cross your fingers.
18:24:58	gevaerts	webguest85: are you using cu for serial logf?
18:25:23	paulk	Yes...
18:25:26	webguest85	i tried it
18:25:45	webguest85	but i honestly dont know if im doing the right thing
18:25:51	gevaerts	You said logf over usb is working. How?
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18:26:20	webguest85	i have /dev/ttyUSB0 showing up
18:26:59	gevaerts	ok, so it's recognised. That's not entirely the same thing as working...
18:27:31	LambdaCalculus37	domonoky: Ping
18:27:44	domonoky	pong ?
18:28:49	LambdaCalculus37	domonoky: rbutilqt 1.2 doesn't seem to recognize my c250; I've set the player type and volume location to Sansa c200 and pointed to my c250, but when I go to install a fresh build, it says this:
18:28:51	LambdaCalculus37	"
18:28:51	LambdaCalculus37	Target mismatch detected. Installed target: , selected target: Sansa C200."
18:29:22	domonoky	yes, that error is already known and fixed in svn..
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18:29:49	LambdaCalculus37	domonoky: Can you roll me a build based on SVN?
18:30:14	*	LambdaCalculus37 will probably be able to solve this problem of not being able to build rbutilqt once and for all with his new MacBook (when it arrives)
18:30:22	domonoky	the target missmatch is just a warning. it thinks it has detected a rockbox install for a different player on your mountpoint... but unfortunatly the traget names werent the same :-)
18:31:09	domonoky	installation should work, even when it shows this warning.
18:31:21	LambdaCalculus37	Let's find out. :)
18:31:24	*	LambdaCalculus37 installs
18:33:39	LambdaCalculus37	domonoky: You're right. It worked.
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18:53:16	webguest85	k...im building
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18:58:16	paulk	How to take screenshots on rockbox 3.1 ?
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19:00:01	LambdaCalculus37	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump
19:00:34	paulk	thanks :-)
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19:04:17	shotofadds	It seems the ~5s delay before playback on the D2 is caused by the buffering thread starving the decoding thread, so decoding only really starts when the audio buffer is fully filled. Any ideas on how to resolve this? eg. should the storage driver be yielding?
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19:27:06	webguest85	im getting errors...are you ok with me posting them here?
19:27:22	gevaerts	use a pastebin
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19:40:04	webguest85	http://www.pastebin.ca/1375020
19:41:14	gevaerts	webguest85: try chmod 666 /dev/ttyUSB0
19:42:10	LambdaCalculus37	gevaerts: How devilishly clever. :)
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19:43:10	webguest85	hahaha...I get the same thing
19:43:34	webguest85	I'm root also
19:43:46	gevaerts	maybe try minicom. cu can be tricky
19:44:06	gevaerts	or any other serial communications program
19:45:45	webguest85	have any useful documentation...all the stuff I find wants me to treat it as a modem
19:46:21	gevaerts	let it. It doesn't matter much at this point
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19:50:21	gevaerts	All you care at this point is seeing if it sends back data when it receives something. Modem init strings are good enough for that
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19:59:16	webguest85	I think minicom was hogging the port
19:59:39	webguest85	I started it and it sent something accross
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20:02:01	gevaerts	did the player send something back?
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20:04:51	webguest85	not sure, I didnt realize at first and tried to kill it
20:05:26	webguest85	it did not die but shows up with a unknown tty
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20:44:20	webguest72	Hi
20:44:56	webguest72	does anyone knows how much uart has PP5022?
20:45:29	webguest72	i had a look at serial.c and portalplayer's datasheet, but I couldn't find out
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20:47:43	webguest85	got it
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20:51:38	webguest85	thanks a million gavaerts
20:51:44	gevaerts	it works?
20:52:34	webguest85	yes...im able to see the data sent on logf screen
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20:53:30	gevaerts	great! It shouldn't be too hard now to find the right place to add your code
20:54:08	webguest85	yes...thanks again
20:55:33	gevaerts	webguest85: if you only care about PC->player, you can probably just use "echo whatever > /dev/ttyUSB0" instead of serial comms programs
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20:59:24	webguest85	k...ultimately i will be doing accessory(picchip prob) -> player
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21:02:06	webguest72	maybe an idea where i can find some informations?...
21:04:51	saratoga	webguest72: what are you trying to do?
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21:09:31	webguest72	maybe try to integrate ipod fm remote (stripped of course) inside an 60g ipod
21:09:52	webguest72	and trying to develop code to enable radio
21:10:45	webguest72	and leave the default serail port free for other hardware
21:15:33	webguest72	so i'm just gathering informations for the moment
21:16:28	saratoga	we already have a serial port driver
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21:18:04	webguest72	and do you know if portal player has a second one?
21:18:45	saratoga	if by PP you mean the Ipod doc connector, I'm not sure but I doubt it
21:19:01	saratoga	you can find the pin out easily enough and check
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21:20:40	webguest72	actually i mean on pp chip
21:20:58	webguest72	maybe some pins unused?
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21:22:03	saratoga	if its not wired you can't use it anyway
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21:24:00	webguest72	well it's a bit of soldering, some skills and no coffee
21:24:22	saratoga	you can't solder to a BGA chip
21:25:02	webguest72	ow, forgot that...
21:26:21	webguest72	ok, thanks for help!
21:27:13	webguest72	bye!
21:27:33	saratoga	no problem
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21:31:07	archivator	I'm not that familiar with CORDIC - does the implementation in fsincos actually return a S.31 number or am I missing the point entirely? It's just that I can't think of another way to store a fractional number between -1 and 1 ..
21:32:59	saratoga	archivator: let me look, its been a while since i used it
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21:34:35	archivator	saratoga: It _is_ S.31 - eq.c gave me some hints :)
21:35:33	saratoga	wmadeci.c agrees
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21:45:12	archivator	Any particular reason why plugins/lib/fixedpoint.h doesn't have an include guard?
21:54:38	toffe82	look at the inside of the meg 50js there : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatMEGInfo
21:54:45	toffe82	more to come later...
21:58:35	rasher	http://pastebin.ca/1375115 looks like a LAME problem, doesn't it?
21:59:17	rasher	Err not lame, obviously
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22:00:05	LordBrain	Anyone have rockbox on an archos av700
22:00:09	rasher	But rbspeexenc. Or maybe it's something else.
22:00:18	LordBrain	?
22:00:53	rasher	LordBrain: The front page lists supported targets. Under that is a list to targets in development. The AV700 is not listed anywhere, so no.
22:01:45	LordBrain	oh. i only thought so due to some google search turning up rockbox when i mwas searching archos av700
22:02:01	rasher	Well it's right there on the front page
22:02:04	LordBrain	anyway, i would be afraid of feature loss
22:02:54	LordBrain	av700 is a portable dvr
22:03:15	LambdaCalculus37	toffe82: Should we post the firmware updater to the page?
22:03:17	LordBrain	ii dont think rockbox was designed for that kind of functionality
22:03:20	linuxstb	LordBrain: That's probably why no-one has considered porting Rockbox to it...
22:04:46	LordBrain	it would be nice to have vorbis audio and an unlocked open source os on it... i haven't found if anyone has done that with it tho.
22:07:22	LordBrain	anyway.. sorry to bother you all...
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22:30:33	rasher	Hey, I just realised. The host-side database tool might help us debug database creation problems
22:31:17	rasher	Ah, that's what's happening in FS #9508
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23:32:56	MT	Are there any mips based targets ? (not supported by rb)
23:33:21	gevaerts	there are some mips ports in progress
23:37:01	MT	gevaerts : like ? (sorry, too tired to look around in the wiki :(
23:37:54	MT	onda ?
23:38:06	gevaerts	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndaVX747 and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndaVX767
23:38:22	MT	gevaerts : Thanks a bunch :)
23:40:49	saratoga	MT: I looked through my pdfs but couldn't find what I wanted to send you
23:41:09	saratoga	i thought one of the mpeg docs had an intro to audio compresison in the front but maybe i'm mixed up
23:42:24	MT	saratoga : I talked to someone on ffmpeg (his name is kostya) about the rm demuxer, and the cook decoder..
23:42:33	saratoga	oh good
23:42:57	MT	He sent me a link to the g722.1 spec
23:43:05	saratoga	o h i thought you had that
23:43:08	*	MT looks for the link
23:43:10	saratoga	its in the wikipedia article
23:43:28	saratoga	did he say how similar they really were
23:43:37	MT	this http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-G.722.1/en
23:44:34	MT	no he didn't .. I just read on the wikipedia article that cook is based largely on g722
23:46:40	MT	saratoga : by the way, do you know the difference between "frame size" and "coded frame size" ?
23:47:06	saratoga	i'm not sure
23:47:17	saratoga	frame size is probably however big the largest IMDCT block size is
23:47:27	saratoga	i think 1024 samples for g722
23:48:07	saratoga	maybe coded frame size is how many bytes one frame occupies [similar to bitrate]?
23:48:56	MT	ah, so maybe one is in 'samples' units and the other in terms of bytes ?
23:49:17	saratoga	this is in cook.c?
23:49:45	MT	oh no, it's in 'rmdec.c'
23:50:15	MT	in audio stream info IIRC
23:51:18	MT	line 90 in rmdec.c is coded frame size
23:51:33	saratoga	since its in the file parser i'd guess its in bytes
23:51:37	MT	line 95 is frame size
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23:53:40	saratoga	the comment in rm.h isn't too helpful "Descrambling parameters from container"
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23:54:25	MT	and another thing, a packet contains several audio frames, which are referred to as sub-packets, am I correct ? (I'm a little confused by this)
23:54:49	saratoga	i don't know how rm works, but asf did something like that
23:54:56	saratoga	were each packet could have a bunch of sub packets
23:55:17	saratoga	file formats don't make much sense to me though
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23:56:56	MT	I see. So, when calling decode_frame() of cook decoder, I would send the decoder a sub-packet
23:57:20	saratoga	for asf what linuxstb did was make the parser grab all the subframes and put their contents sequentially in memory
23:57:54	saratoga	so we just pass it a pointer to the current position in the frame and the codec has no idea about packets and subframes
23:58:32	saratoga	though wma makes this easy since each frame of wma audio must be entirely within one asf packet, though i think they can span subpackets
23:59:00	MT	so it just grabs some bytes and decodes them ?

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