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| 01:03:24 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: was there anything specific i was supposed to be testing in your patch? i can play and skip, and nothing funny happened with a good amount of doing both |
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| 01:03:58 | JdGordon_ | just general use... switching between codecs was an issue before |
| 01:04:17 | JdGordon_ | gevaerts: have you tried the newest version of 9795 with your flacs? |
| 01:04:26 | gevaerts | JdGordon_: not yet |
| 01:04:50 | gevaerts | I'll make a new build tomorrow anyway. I'll include the new version then |
| 01:04:58 | JdGordon_ | cheers |
| 01:05:16 | Unhelpful | ah... i don't think i've played anything but vorbis. only other codec i *have* is mp3. |
| 01:05:30 | JdGordon_ | ok |
| 01:05:56 | JdGordon_ | I wonder if that flac thing was just a random wierdness which isnt going to be reprobable anyway |
| 01:06:30 | JdGordon_ | kugel: what skip length wierdness did you find? |
| 01:07:46 | kugel | JdGordon_: just weirdness. cannot really describe it. sometimes the song won't play, sometimes skipping by the amount doesn't work, sometimes skipping at the end (with prevent skipping = off) is massively delayed) |
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| 01:08:18 | kugel | I cannot reproduce it. I was using my patch. Everything else worked fine (and worked fine too if the track length is shorter than the skip length) |
| 01:09:39 | kugel | and by delayed/doesn't work I mean that not only the wps is failing to update, but also playback doesn't seem to get the "partial" skip |
| 01:10:38 | JdGordon_ | blah.. ok... thats something I've never used so wasnt checking for.. ok, ill have a look when I get a chance on the weekend |
| 01:10:45 | kugel | it *mostly* works though. |
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| 01:11:07 | JdGordon_ | is mostly good enough though? |
| 01:11:16 | kugel | I don't think so :( |
| 01:11:24 | * | kugel wants this patch in too asap |
| 01:12:33 | kugel | I only have this one file which is so long that it triggers the issues (1h). All my other music is basically working flawlessy |
| 01:12:48 | JdGordon_ | I wanted to put it in on sunday, because otherwise it probably wont go in for another 3 weeks |
| 01:13:12 | kugel | why? |
| 01:14:11 | kugel | I cannot see any logical flaw in the code, so I'm a bit out of answers too :( |
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| 01:14:27 | JdGordon_ | religious holidyas coming up... so my computer time is going to just about halve... |
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| 01:14:41 | kugel | I also debugf'd receiving the event. that's definitely not the problem |
| 01:15:03 | Llorean | Doesn't that kinda mean you also won't be around much if it breaks things over time? |
| 01:15:05 | kugel | s/definitely/unlikely/ |
| 01:15:42 | JdGordon_ | Llorean: thats an awefully pesimistic way to look at it :D |
| 01:16:07 | kugel | JdGordon_: I'm going to retest with your latest patch, to exclude my changes being a possible cause |
| 01:16:38 | JdGordon_ | ok, but if you just touched wps refreshing it shouldnt effect things |
| 01:16:54 | kugel | Llorean: He's not the only one able to fix things. And we have release to be able to have some slightly-experimental code around. I don't see a problem |
| 01:17:26 | Llorean | kugel: Well, it doesn't matter for the moment since there are still known issues. |
| 01:17:44 | kugel | nobody said it's going in with known issues |
| 01:17:55 | Llorean | I didn't say they did... geeze. |
| 01:18:09 | kugel | not even you said this. You said "*if* it breaks things" |
| 01:18:14 | Llorean | In fact, I think my statement suggested I didn't expect it to go in with known issues. |
| 01:18:17 | kugel | that's not a valid argument |
| 01:18:22 | Llorean | What argument? |
| 01:18:24 | Llorean | What are you on about? |
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| 01:18:43 | kugel | nevermidn |
| 01:18:50 | Llorean | I said it *doesn't matter* at the moment because there are still known issues. |
| 01:19:15 | * | kugel moves the asteriks around "at the moment" |
| 01:19:39 | * | BigBambi is failing to see what kugel is trying to say here |
| 01:19:40 | Llorean | That doesn't change the meaning of the sentence. |
| 01:19:56 | Llorean | As long as there are known issues, it doesn't matter. So since, at the moment, there are known issues, it doesn't matter. |
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| 01:20:13 | Llorean | Once there are no known issues, his availability to address new issues after it's committed becomes an issue. |
| 01:20:24 | Llorean | Since at that point it may be committable. |
| 01:20:25 | * | JdGordon_ loves how eaily arguments over sentance meaning get started here... especially when 50% (?) dont have english as their first language |
| 01:20:55 | Llorean | kugel: But it's really not good to commit a rework of *playback* and not be around in case it blows up. |
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| 01:21:38 | kugel | I am around, I understand most - if not all - of his changes. is that enough? |
| 01:21:40 | JdGordon_ | *my* point was that as it gets closer to me being afk it pushes the likely commit time out... i never suggested that I'd commit then go afk for 3 days immediatly |
| 01:21:55 | kugel | also, he never said he's entirely unavailable |
| 01:22:19 | Llorean | kugel: If he's not available enough to commit it, he's probably not available enough to look after it...\ |
| 01:22:45 | Llorean | I was just responding to his statement that he probably wouldn't be able to commit for some time after Sunday, that if he wouldn't be able to he probably shouldn't commit immediately before either. |
| 01:22:47 | JdGordon_ | MOVING RIGHT ALONG... |
| 01:23:28 | JdGordon_ | I'll be afk from wed night here... which is 3 days after sunday... which is why sunday is my cut off date... gezze give me *some* credit |
| 01:24:25 | Llorean | JdGordon_: Well, originally I just asked about your availability. |
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| 05:15:48 | yook | Ii tagged all my music with genre in itunes, but when i go to the rockbox database genre list, most of my music is in these bogus numeric genres like (7) and (35). What's going on? |
| 05:17:14 | Unhelpful | have you tried looking at the tags stored in the files with a dedicated tagging program? i'd imagine rockbox is merely displaying what itunes wrote. |
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| 05:17:54 | Bawitdaba | is it possible that a theme/wps can keep crashing my rockbox 3.2 ipod video 5.5g |
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| 05:18:28 | yook | good idea. |
| 05:18:39 | Bawitdaba | its only a few select songs but when i use the stock theme they play fine, when i use rayboradio_OB it crashes |
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| 05:19:00 | yook | cant use winamp though, when i tag them in winamp it causes all kinds of probs |
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| 05:19:56 | Unhelpful | here's what the standard says about genre tags: http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0#head-42b02d20fb8bf48e38ec5415e34909945dd849dc |
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| 05:22:32 | Unhelpful | v2.4.0 is a bit different, it seems that it basically says to just use the numeric id3v1 value by itself (without the parens) or use a string description of the genre. |
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| 05:27:50 | yook | oh |
| 05:28:03 | yook | i converted all my id3 tags to 2.4 in itunes =X |
| 05:28:09 | yook | hoping it would fix a different issue |
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| 05:29:29 | Unhelpful | i'm betting it just copied those strings as-is, and that rockbox probably interprets bare numerals in id3v2.4 tags, and (N) in id3v2.3 |
| 05:36:35 | yook | reconverting them all to 2.3 fixed some but not all.. i'll try a tagging prog |
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| 05:38:49 | SansaFan | What version of SVN is compatible with Cygwin??? |
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| 05:40:53 | yook | actually thats because i didnt convert them all, whoops |
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| 05:41:05 | yook | yea, that did it. thanks =D |
| 05:41:31 | yook | fuck v2.4! |
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| 05:46:10 | SansaFan | Can Cygwin compile a version of Rockbox without generating a bunch of **** No rule to make target *** 'rockbox/sim/apps/bitmaps/native/rockbox/simlogo.176x54x16.o' , needed by 'rockbox/sim/rockboxui.exe'. Stop. |
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| 06:09:40 | SansaFan | Can Cygwin compile a version of Rockbox without generating a bunch of **** No rule to make target *** 'rockbox/sim/apps/bitmaps/native/rockbox/simlogo.176x54x16.o' , needed by 'rockbox/sim/rockboxui.exe'. Stop. |
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| 07:29:04 | m0nik3r5 | hello all |
| 07:29:59 | BHSPitLappy | hello, one |
| 07:31:45 | m0nik3r5 | i trying to install ipodlinux right now *beating head against wall* |
| 07:32:13 | * | scorche wonders if m0nik3r5 is looking for #ipodlinux |
| 07:32:45 | m0nik3r5 | i am there |
| 07:33:19 | scorche | this is #rockbox...where we talk about...rockbox...#ipodlinux, for comparison if for talking about...ipodlinux |
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| 07:33:28 | scorche | s/if/is |
| 07:34:19 | m0nik3r5 | is there rockbox-offtopic .....lets check |
| 07:34:59 | Unhelpful | surely we'd not be *much* more able to help you with ipodlinux *there*? |
| 07:36:01 | m0nik3r5 | obviously , I so sorry to all of you for asking an offtopic question here . |
| 07:37:04 | Unhelpful | have you tried rockbox? you might find it *somewhat* more useful for actually playing music on your music player. :) |
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| 07:40:59 | m0nik3r5 | oh , I am going to install rockbox here in the coming hours actually |
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| 08:53:46 | ddalton | hey is the sansa e280 v2 supported? |
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| 08:54:33 | ddalton | sorry, did u see my question? |
| 08:56:12 | ddalton | am i here? |
| 08:56:21 | homielowe | Is pressing "play" from the quickscreen supposed to return to the playback screen. Not sure if this is target specific but I have a gigabeast, the build I am using is the latest. |
| 08:57:30 | homielowe | ddalton: The e280v2 is not currently supported, though there is ongoing development of that specific target. Supported targets are listed on the front page of rockbox.org |
| 08:58:03 | ddalton | i see that; but it doesn't specify v2 isn't supported, it says AMS... |
| 08:58:06 | ddalton | is ams v2? |
| 08:58:52 | ddalton | homielowe: i could check the key maps :p |
| 08:59:57 | homielowe | ddalton: Yes , I think the developers agreed to change the name (the wiki page) from V2 to AMS to reflect which the chipset inside them. And I think to make it less confusing. |
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| 09:00:20 | ddalton | ah damn |
| 09:00:49 | ddalton | u just shot down my excitement :( haha |
| 09:01:22 | ddalton | homielowe: but you believe there is work going on to support these targets? |
| 09:02:05 | homielowe | ddalton: As anyone who knows rockbox, ports take time, just be patient, I remember buying a Gigabeat S before there was even sound on it. |
| 09:02:57 | ddalton | homielowe: yes... I know, I did a bit of voice development on the project a while back, but |
| 09:03:38 | ddalton | have been patient for over 12th months :p, but thought i would check back... :-) |
| 09:03:43 | homielowe | Yes there is ongoing development, If you see http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html , there was a patch to introduce bank switching for the sansa AMS family :P |
| 09:04:10 | ddalton | lemme see |
| 09:04:49 | homielowe | bankswitching ( enable the player to access >2GB of the flash |
| 09:05:14 | ddalton | wait... to do that wouldn't rockbox have to be running some what on the target? |
| 09:05:40 | homielowe | I believe there is sound and some codecs do play on them, the problem (from what I understand) there is still something finiky with enableing the mmu. |
| 09:05:59 | ddalton | nnu? |
| 09:07:15 | homielowe | ddalton: see FS #10048 http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10048 |
| 09:07:47 | * | GodEater is amazed to learn it even *has* an mmu |
| 09:08:38 | ddalton | hahahaa i love that part about computer related channels, no one can just say the answer hahaa its k ill look at it |
| 09:12:04 | ddalton | wait, so i could technicley install it on my player? |
| 09:12:43 | scorche | ddalton: yes, but it is unsupported and currently should only really be used by developers...if you brick your device trying it, dont whine to us... |
| 09:19:34 | ddalton | haha ok |
| 09:19:45 | ddalton | ima go eat nandos |
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| 10:32:50 | amiconn | zxbox includes floating point stuff from libgcc on greyscale targets - just for calculating the fixed(!) greylevels from rgb... |
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| 11:25:47 | pixelma | looking into the c200 virtual keyboard map again and would like to enable morse mode. Thought it was possible to map morse "select" to either Left/Right or "Keyboard" Left/Right because atm both are moving the cursor on the input line in morse mode. But I can't figure out how to prevent "the other" action to be triggered when using one of them as morse "select" - there's only one switch in keyboard.c which doesn't check for context "beforehand". D |
| 11:25:47 | pixelma | anybody have a hint? |
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| 11:28:29 | pixelma | to be more precise - I could prevent it from being triggered but morse select still didn't work and I think that's because the other actions are still defined and somehow get in the way |
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| 11:57:42 | pixelma | so I would probably need a whole new context? Hrrmm :\ |
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| 12:45:13 | SansaFan | Can Cygwin compile a version of Rockbox without generating a bunch of **** No rule to make target *** 'rockbox/sim/apps/bitmaps/native/rockbox/simlogo.176x54x16.o' , needed by 'rockbox/sim/rockboxui.exe'. Stop. |
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| 12:49:52 | advcomp2019 | SansaFan, you do not need to repeat yourself.. people can read the logs |
| 12:54:08 | pixelma | SansaFan: are you building from clean SVN (or at least tried a patched version before)? |
| 12:54:52 | pixelma | cygwin builds sims just fine here, by the way |
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| 13:12:29 | SansaFan | I am starting with the instructions for using Cygwin:: svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 13:13:38 | SansaFan | There are no patches applied. I'm simply trying to generate a (N) or (S) build. |
| 13:14:28 | SansaFan | After creating a folder : in the rockbox folder (ie. mkdir sim) |
| 13:14:47 | SansaFan | and then opening that folder: cd sim |
| 13:15:10 | SansaFan | and executing the command: ../tools/configure |
| 13:15:52 | scorche | SansaFan: look...we know the process...please either put averything you are doing into a pastebin (pastebin.ca) or just report on the outcome after you start from scratch |
| 13:15:54 | SansaFan | generates a makefile which I start with: make |
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| 13:18:28 | SansaFan | Everything appears to be standard compile and build, except that I eventually stop on the bitmaps simlogo.o default_icons.c usblogo.c |
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| 13:21:14 | bertrik | SansaFan, what target are you trying to build? |
| 13:21:24 | SansaFan | e200 |
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| 13:24:31 | pixelma | I wonder where the "simlogo" name comes from, there's nothing in my buildtree called this way |
| 13:26:42 | bertrik | the e200 sim builds fine here (ubuntu) |
| 13:28:46 | SansaFan | It is looking at '/rockbox/sim/apps/bitmaps/native/rockbox/simlogo.176x54x16.o' |
| 13:29:30 | pixelma | it shouldn't |
| 13:29:35 | bertrik | SansaFan, maybe there's some remnants from a previous build attempt. Doing a 'make veryclean' may help |
| 13:31:04 | pixelma | did you build a target (N) and a sim (S) in the same directory, without a "make clean" between? |
| 13:31:34 | SansaFan | Is that before or after issuing the make command? |
| 13:32:09 | pixelma | though neither should look for something simlogo |
| 13:32:19 | SansaFan | The target was in the new folder |
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| 13:49:42 | linuxstb | SansaFan: pixelma is right - simlogo doesn't exist in a standard Rockbox build, so something very odd is happening.... It should be called rockboxlogo.176x54x16 |
| 13:49:50 | * | linuxstb wonders if some search/replace is going wrong |
| 13:51:04 | pixelma | would it help to investigate if he made a diff of his current tree? |
| 13:54:07 | linuxstb | SansaFan: Try renaming the top-level "/rockbox" to something else - e.g. "/sansafan" |
| 13:54:59 | linuxstb | SansaFan: And then delete your "sim" build directory, and recreate it, and run ../tools/configure again. |
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| 14:00:37 | Russel-Athletic | hiho |
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| 14:01:07 | Russel-Athletic | i have my own build of the rockbox software and i want to include in the make fullzip thing my own themes |
| 14:01:12 | Russel-Athletic | what do i have to do? |
| 14:01:42 | archivator | Anyone willing to help me trace the freeze bug in fs#10065? I have no idea how to even begin - I'm thinking, I should sprinkle logf here and there in my code and compile a logf over usb build. Any simpler ideas? |
| 14:02:02 | SansaFan | I posted the prior build in patchbin.ca |
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| 14:03:15 | SansaFan | I renamed /rockbox to /simbox |
| 14:05:29 | linuxstb | SansaFan: And... |
| 14:05:30 | domonoky | Russel-Athletic: put them into the wps dir like the other themes, and modify WPSLIST i think.. |
| 14:08:32 | domonoky | archivator: how does that freeze behave ? is the player completely dead ? |
| 14:09:30 | SansaFan | After issuing the 'make' command. The build finally succeeded. Success. Dunno why it would build from the native /rockbox folder. |
| 14:09:54 | archivator | domonoky: yes. Playback stops, the device is unresponsive. Only way out is to restart it. |
| 14:10:08 | SansaFan | Dunno why it wouldn't work from the native /rockbox folder. |
| 14:11:12 | Russel-Athletic | domonoky: ok i try it |
| 14:11:15 | linuxstb | SansaFan: Putting "/rockbox" at the top-level of your directory structure is weird - that's not normally where someone would put it. But you've exposed a bug in the Rockbox build system. |
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| 14:11:41 | linuxstb | SansaFan: It should really go in /home/[yourname]/ |
| 14:13:21 | * | linuxstb tries building Rockbox in /rockbox/ and it works fine, so maybe some cygwin strangeness... |
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| 14:16:11 | SansaFan | Thanks for the advice and assistance. I'll remember to avoid using a toplevel /rockbox folder. |
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| 14:29:26 | pixelma | Unhelpful: the pictureflow controls feel quite good now on all my 3 targets but just noticed something else (really minor cosmetic thing) when looking at the tracklist in greyscale. The gradient in the selector bar is currently darkest in the center and getting brighter at the borders, should be the other way round IMO |
| 14:30:32 | pixelma | linuxstb: I had no problems building an e200 sim in a "sim" directory inside "rockbox" with cygwin. Did I misunderstand? |
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| 15:51:49 | linuxstb | pixelma: SansFan's "rockbox" directory was in the root of his cygwin install - i.e. /rockbox/ |
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| 15:52:26 | linuxstb | So he had /rockbox/apps/, /rockbox/tools/, etc and was building in /rockbox/sim/ |
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| 17:20:21 | Bawitdaba | hrm the theme rayboradio_OB keeps crashing my ipod 5.5g with "data abort at 000098BC (0)" |
| 17:20:31 | Bawitdaba | very strange |
| 17:22:06 | gevaerts | Bawitdaba: which revision are you running? |
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| 17:22:25 | Bawitdaba | 1956 |
| 17:22:32 | Bawitdaba | 19569^ |
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| 17:23:16 | M4ndril | hi |
| 17:23:20 | gevaerts | That's the 3.1 release. Have you tried anything newer? (3.2 or a current build)? |
| 17:23:29 | Bawitdaba | is it |
| 17:23:37 | Bawitdaba | i swear i upgraded to 3.2 last night |
| 17:23:41 | Bawitdaba | hrm |
| 17:23:46 | Bawitdaba | lemme try again |
| 17:23:48 | M4ndril | i need some help...i installed rockbox on sansa e200 and run doom and it freeze.. cant shut it down.. no response!! |
| 17:24:07 | M4ndril | Data Abort error |
| 17:24:14 | Llorean | M4ndril: Hold down the power button longer. |
| 17:24:15 | gevaerts | M4ndril: try holding the power button for a long time (30 seconds or so). That should force it to shut down |
| 17:24:20 | M4ndril | i hold it down |
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| 17:24:25 | M4ndril | 20 sec? XD |
| 17:24:32 | M4ndril | ok |
| 17:24:42 | M4ndril | thnx :D |
| 17:24:54 | M4ndril | i cannt find the Music option the Sansa Firmware has :S |
| 17:25:16 | M4ndril | i instead have a Database option |
| 17:25:50 | Llorean | M4ndril: Have you read the manual? |
| 17:25:55 | Llorean | Music can be played from the file browser or database. |
| 17:26:06 | M4ndril | hmm but that way |
| 17:26:09 | M4ndril | is pretty ugly |
| 17:26:10 | M4ndril | xD |
| 17:27:06 | Llorean | Please don't split sentences across multiple lines. It makes things harder to read. |
| 17:27:20 | M4ndril | sorry :( |
| 17:27:26 | M4ndril | im new to rockbox... |
| 17:27:31 | Llorean | I don't know what you mean by "ugly". is there some actual feature you can't find? |
| 17:27:47 | M4ndril | yeah, my ipod-like features! |
| 17:28:10 | gevaerts | rockbox on sansa has exactly the same features as rockbox on ipod |
| 17:28:19 | M4ndril | i know |
| 17:28:25 | M4ndril | i wont install rockbox to my ipod :D |
| 17:28:30 | Llorean | M4ndril: I don't use the original firmware, so "ipod like" doesn't mean anything to me. |
| 17:28:56 | M4ndril | its useless to select the DATABASE menu and find all the folders and files |
| 17:29:01 | M4ndril | i just wanna play my music |
| 17:29:11 | gevaerts | the play it! |
| 17:29:16 | M4ndril | yeah |
| 17:29:22 | M4ndril | but its full of garbage folders |
| 17:29:33 | Llorean | The folders are your music, organized. |
| 17:29:47 | Llorean | They're only garbage if your tags are garbage. |
| 17:30:17 | M4ndril | omg.. and can i switch to name files instead of TAGS ? |
| 17:30:29 | Llorean | That's what the file browser is for. |
| 17:30:34 | kugel | M4ndril: use the file browser. i.e. select "files" |
| 17:31:04 | Bawitdaba | ah lol gevaerts my drive letter changed and rbutil extracted the new version to one of my hard disks instead of rockbox |
| 17:31:23 | rasher | Bawitdaba: oops |
| 17:31:34 | Bawitdaba | yeah i didnt even realise |
| 17:31:40 | M4ndril | ok i use the file browser.. i have a photos folder there and other one.. i cannot see the photos :S |
| 17:31:42 | gevaerts | Can't your hard disk play files then? :) |
| 17:31:49 | Bawitdaba | lol |
| 17:31:54 | Bawitdaba | a 1tb rockbox |
| 17:32:13 | Llorean | rasher: I wonder if it'd make sense to do a re-detect before install to verify match with what's being installed, and prompt if there's a mismatch. |
| 17:32:26 | Bawitdaba | 3.2-090323 |
| 17:32:30 | Llorean | M4ndril: Are they in a format Rockbox supports? |
| 17:32:37 | M4ndril | jpg |
| 17:32:38 | rasher | Llorean: Possibly |
| 17:32:54 | Llorean | M4ndril: And what's the Rockbox file view mode set to? |
| 17:33:38 | M4ndril | where can i check that ? |
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| 17:33:55 | Llorean | In the quickscreen if you haven't changed it, or in the normal location in the settings menu if you have. |
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| 17:34:41 | M4ndril | ok im now there |
| 17:34:46 | M4ndril | i have to put show files ? |
| 17:35:05 | Bawitdaba | yeah 3.2 is amazing |
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| 17:35:21 | Llorean | M4ndril: I don't understand the question. I asked what it's set to. It needs to be set to "Supported" |
| 17:35:36 | M4ndril | i set it to supported files |
| 17:35:45 | gevaerts | hm, is "photos" one of the OF-hidden things? |
| 17:35:48 | M4ndril | and then i browse the photo folder and i cannot display them |
| 17:35:55 | Llorean | What happens? |
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| 17:36:05 | M4ndril | nothing happends |
| 17:36:10 | Llorean | Do you see them listed? |
| 17:36:14 | M4ndril | thats the big deal |
| 17:36:17 | M4ndril | yeah i do |
| 17:36:20 | Llorean | Okay. |
| 17:36:25 | Llorean | Then what do you press? |
| 17:36:32 | M4ndril | the big button in the center ? :D |
| 17:36:55 | Llorean | And nothing at all happens? No error message? |
| 17:37:03 | Llorean | It's definitely a .jpg and not a .bmp? |
| 17:37:17 | M4ndril | maybe its a bmp :D |
| 17:37:19 | M4ndril | because |
| 17:37:24 | M4ndril | is the one that comes with sansa |
| 17:37:32 | M4ndril | i bought my sansa 20 minutes ago xD |
| 17:37:36 | M4ndril | lol |
| 17:37:50 | rasher | That's bmp. |
| 17:37:56 | Llorean | Again, please try to write whole sentences too. |
| 17:38:16 | M4ndril | im used to that msn way :( |
| 17:38:51 | M4ndril | well.. i have my options listed as a menu list.. i want an icon view like the sansa original firmware has... how can i get that ? :D |
| 17:39:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | M4ndril: Well, here we expect people to write properly. |
| 17:39:18 | Llorean | M4ndril: You'll always have text, but you can create a larger iconset if you want large icons |
| 17:39:46 | M4ndril | Llorean: i want to have the menu the way sansa's original was |
| 17:39:54 | M4ndril | Llorean: remember it ? :D |
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| 17:40:23 | Llorean | M4ndril: Then get programming. |
| 17:40:51 | M4ndril | Llorean: no thnx i have lots of programming for today i will stick to sansas firmware |
| 17:40:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | This is really odd... I'm trying to set up the Rockbox build environment on my new MacBook, but it's crapping out with this error when building the compilers: http://lambdacalculus379.pastebin.com/mcc6120b |
| 17:40:56 | gevaerts | M4ndril: if you want everything exactly like the sansa original firmware, you either have to write the code to make rockbox behave that way or use the original firmware |
| 17:41:22 | Llorean | M4ndril: One rule that is a _hard_ rule in here is that we ask you use real English words wherever possible. That means no things like "thnx". The reasoning for this should be explained in the channel guidelines linked in the topic. |
| 17:41:33 | M4ndril | gevaerts: i wont want things exactly.. just a pretty graphic menu.. a theme or something ? |
| 17:42:13 | M4ndril | Llorean: ok , sorry then |
| 17:42:17 | Llorean | M4ndril: There are themes available. You can look through them and see if you like any of them. |
| 17:42:37 | Bawitdaba | i still get some sound clipping when scrolling threw directory list that has tons of directories |
| 17:42:45 | Bawitdaba | but it is much better in 3.2 |
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| 17:43:13 | Bawitdaba | its like if you scroll down its not an issue but when u scroll back up it clips |
| 17:43:37 | M4ndril | Llorean: the themes that are on the website are crap .. i saw a PSP theme on youtube maybe i can finde good themes on another page, do you know any website ? |
| 17:43:46 | Llorean | Bawitdaba: "clipping" is a technical term for a specific type of sound problem. Do you just mean there are gaps in the audio? |
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| 17:43:58 | Bawitdaba | yes |
| 17:44:05 | Llorean | M4ndril: No. You're also free to make your own themes. |
| 17:44:06 | gevaerts | Bawitdaba: you could try turing on dircache |
| 17:44:07 | Bawitdaba | gap in playback |
| 17:44:10 | Bawitdaba | i am |
| 17:44:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | M4ndril: Google knows the website. |
| 17:44:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ask it. |
| 17:44:39 | M4ndril | Llorean: ok i will try to make my theme , im a designer :D |
| 17:45:00 | Bawitdaba | and 5s disk spindown dunno what that really means lol |
| 17:45:58 | Bawitdaba | ill just try to use the database more |
| 17:46:03 | Bawitdaba | i like it better anyway |
| 17:47:16 | M4ndril | i found pretty cool themes, but they are for the original firmware |
| 17:47:25 | Llorean | Bawitdaba: It's most likely related to the scrolling than the disk access if you have dircache on |
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| 17:47:49 | Bawitdaba | yeah dircache is on, cant imagine life without it lol |
| 17:48:08 | Bawitdaba | most of the scroll options are for wps tho? |
| 17:48:14 | Bawitdaba | text scrolling |
| 17:48:32 | martian67 | congrats on finally getting USB on portal player enabled guys :D |
| 17:48:42 | martian67 | not having to reboot into default firmware |
| 17:48:45 | martian67 | is nice :) |
| 17:48:47 | gevaerts | Thanks :) |
| 17:48:53 | Llorean | Bawitdaba: I didn't really say it's fixable. Do you have an iPod Video? |
| 17:49:07 | Bawitdaba | yes iPod Video 5.5g 80gb |
| 17:49:22 | Bawitdaba | its not really a big deal |
| 17:49:34 | martian67 | gevaerts, could use a better splash screen though ;) |
| 17:49:41 | Bawitdaba | i know 3.2 said something about improved scrolling |
| 17:49:45 | Bawitdaba | so i figured id mention it |
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| 17:50:22 | Bawitdaba | it prolly just eats so much cpu while scrolling that playback cant continue right away or something right? |
| 17:50:24 | archivator | gevaerts: did you hack together the change in orientation for fs#10065 or did you do it the proper way (graph_setting, keymap, new functions and all that) ? :) |
| 17:50:31 | gevaerts | Bawitdaba: you may want to try a current build. IIRC there is some more recent optimisation in dhe drawing code |
| 17:50:41 | martian67 | yes, i find that newer code |
| 17:50:48 | Bawitdaba | werd |
| 17:50:54 | martian67 | is much smoother as far as doing things while playback is occuring go |
| 17:50:57 | Bawitdaba | ill check out a svn build |
| 17:51:09 | martian67 | Bawitdaba, just use a daily |
| 17:51:12 | martian67 | off the mainpage |
| 17:51:14 | gevaerts | archivator: I just swapped x and y in some places. Nothing proper abiut it :) |
| 17:51:30 | Llorean | martian67: Why do you recommend "daily' builds instead of the even newer current builds we have for download? |
| 17:51:42 | M4ndril | martian67: dont write cut sentences :D:DD: |
| 17:51:49 | martian67 | well isnt that what current build is? |
| 17:51:52 | Llorean | No |
| 17:51:56 | martian67 | a daily build from SVN o.O |
| 17:51:58 | Llorean | Current builds are built every time SVN changes. |
| 17:52:03 | martian67 | oh nice :) |
| 17:52:03 | Llorean | They are not built daily. |
| 17:52:07 | archivator | gevaerts: right, cause I'm working on it right now and wanted to make sure I'm not duplicating effort. Btw, whatever happened to the usb indicators idea? |
| 17:52:32 | martian67 | Llorean, you guys are remarkibly bug-free for living on the edge like that ;) |
| 17:52:56 | M4ndril | archivator: here we dont use "btw" we use by the way :D |
| 17:53:04 | gevaerts | M4ndril: stop it |
| 17:53:09 | M4ndril | archivator: Llorean will explain you why |
| 17:53:34 | kugel | M4ndril: btw is fine, since it's explained in the abbreviation list |
| 17:53:48 | kugel | which is linked in the guidelines |
| 17:53:58 | M4ndril | kugel: you have an abbreviation list :O |
| 17:54:25 | gevaerts | archivator: it had issues last time I worked on it, which may have been solved by the latest portalplayer magic. I'd need to test again |
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| 17:54:49 | markun | archivator: if you are going to implement rotation in rockbox you would also make some gigabeat owners really happy :) |
| 17:55:13 | kugel | rotation is already implemented |
| 17:55:20 | archivator | gevaerts: I seem to remember a log entry about removing the usb events altogether, that's why I'm asking |
| 17:55:24 | gevaerts | markun: I think archivator is only talking about a specific plugin :) |
| 17:55:30 | kugel | mpegplayer rotates fonts |
| 17:55:32 | kugel | and icons |
| 17:55:35 | markun | kugel: man, I must have been away for a long time... |
| 17:55:52 | archivator | markun: just a single plugin, sorry - fs#10065 |
| 17:55:52 | gevaerts | archivator: yes. That's part of the "issues" bir |
| 17:55:56 | gevaerts | s/bir/bit/ |
| 17:55:57 | markun | kugel: I meant more general support in de widget code itself |
| 17:56:05 | markun | to make it easy to rotate the WPS |
| 17:56:10 | kugel | the rotation drawing can just copy&pasted into the core, then add a setting, and have rotation |
| 17:56:15 | archivator | gevaerts: ah, that kind of issues. Got it. |
| 17:57:49 | markun | some plugins use different bitmaps for 320x240 and 240x320, so we can't just rotate everything |
| 17:58:10 | kugel | markun: welll, I guess it would only make sense to rotate the entire wps. for this, a single tag would be needed (like %r|90). then just use the rotated functions instead of the normal ones |
| 17:58:19 | markun | kugel: and button the button driver would need to be adapted |
| 17:58:50 | martian67 | does anyone have any details about updating a 5.5 30gig hard-drive? |
| 17:59:04 | martian67 | *updating a harddrive on |
| 17:59:10 | kugel | they already are for 180 degree rotation, should be rather trivial to addapt it to 90/270 degree rotation |
| 17:59:42 | markun | martian67: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
| 17:59:51 | martian67 | ty |
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| 18:00:07 | markun | kugel: you want to put it on your todo list? ;) |
| 18:00:37 | kugel | the todo list is for things that are generally agreed on. 2 people don't count as general I think :) |
| 18:00:58 | gevaerts | kugel: *your* todo list :) |
| 18:01:08 | kugel | ah, well, no |
| 18:01:18 | kugel | my todo list is already unbearable long |
| 18:02:06 | markun | would we install 2 versions of the WPS' (if they exist) for 0, 180 and for 90, 270? |
| 18:03:34 | kugel | I don't think so |
| 18:03:51 | markun | why not? |
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| 18:04:08 | markun | cabbie for 320x240 doesn't work for 240x320 |
| 18:04:27 | kugel | why should we. Unless rotation is a key feature, we can keep it simple and default to "native" |
| 18:05:01 | kugel | if someone wants rotated wps, he can install it, add the imaginary %r tag and use it |
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| 18:05:32 | markun | or maybe the WPS can specify its resolution |
| 18:08:08 | kugel | in fact, I don't see anything serious to stop us from doing rotation, given that mpeg player already has it |
| 18:08:23 | kugel | jhMikeS too said, that this should be in core |
| 18:08:53 | archivator | Can't we do rotated/scaled viewports? |
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| 18:10:22 | kugel | scaled viewports? |
| 18:11:57 | archivator | Nah, ignore me. It'd be useless. |
| 18:12:44 | kugel | but rotation on viewports basis sounds like a good idea |
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| 18:16:35 | archivator | My idea was to turn the viewports into canvases. Say, you create a 300x200 "canvas" and then put it in a 100x150 square, rotated by 90 degrees. That way, the scaling/rotating functionality would be exposed to the entire rockbox codebase (plugins and all). Kinda like cairo, only simpler. |
| 18:17:09 | gevaerts | archivator: and while you're at it, ignore complaints about slow UI? ;) |
| 18:17:48 | archivator | We can always limit it to the more powerful targets.. |
| 18:18:00 | archivator | Besides, I warned you it's a bad idea :) |
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| 18:25:17 | kugel | archivator: viewports are just subscreens. there's nothing to it besides dimensions, and the font and colors |
| 18:25:52 | kugel | if you craete 300x200 canvas, you create a 300x200 viewport, and when you put a 100x150 scare in it, you just put another 100x150 viewport in it |
| 18:27:52 | kugel | and by subscreen, I don't mean that there's any sort if inheritance |
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| 18:31:33 | archivator | kugel: Right. That's where things are at now. The thing is, I don't really think there's much need for an advanced graphics library like the one I'm describing (with scaling, arbitrary rotation, etc). Hence, my "it'd be useless" comment :) |
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| 18:43:33 | Pabletto2k | hey guys I need some help with my rockbox |
| 18:44:27 | Pabletto2k | now that I have it running on my sansa I can't add music to the player |
| 18:46:31 | Pabletto2k | nobody is at home ? |
| 18:46:39 | Llorean | Pabletto2k: Please, have patience. |
| 18:46:46 | saratoga_home | explain your problem |
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| 18:47:30 | saratoga_home | Llorean: has there been much activity in the GSOC channel? |
| 18:48:44 | Llorean | saratoga_home: Some. Basically a general agreement on the fact that we need to decide what we're doing next to move things along. |
| 18:49:39 | Pabletto2k | Llorean: do i have to boot to the old firmware to add music to my sansa ? |
| 18:50:02 | Llorean | Pabletto2k: It depends on what revision of Rockbox you have installed, but it should be automatic if you do. |
| 18:50:44 | Pabletto2k | Llorean: I installed rockbox 3.2 |
| 18:51:08 | saratoga_home | then you have to boot the original firmware [see the release notes for that build] |
| 18:51:43 | Pabletto2k | Llorean: When i connect my device to the computer i only have 4 folders: temp, photo, record and video |
| 18:52:10 | Pabletto2k | saratoga_home: Can you tell me how do i boot to the old firmware ? |
| 18:52:25 | Llorean | Pabletto2k: So, what's the problem? You can see your device now. |
| 18:52:40 | Pabletto2k | Llorean: I can but not the music |
| 18:52:40 | Llorean | You're in the original firmware, and attached to your computer. |
| 18:52:54 | Pabletto2k | Llorean: No, im on the rockbox firmware |
| 18:52:59 | Llorean | Pabletto2k: The music is there. What you're seeing is the actual filesystem. Rockbox doesn't move anything. |
| 18:53:15 | Llorean | Pabletto2k: If you're in 3.2, then you're not in Rockbox. |
| 18:53:20 | Llorean | Rockbox 3.2 does not have any USB mode. |
| 18:53:32 | Pabletto2k | Llorean: Let me start again, i want to add music to my sansa |
| 18:53:33 | Llorean | You are attached to your computer, and viewing the filesystem on your player, in the Sandisk firmware. |
| 18:53:36 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 18:53:37 | Llorean | So add music |
| 18:53:41 | Llorean | You can put it wherever you'd like. |
| 18:54:02 | Pabletto2k | Llorean: Last month i add music with the Sansa Firmware in a folder i cannt remember i guess the music folder |
| 18:54:33 | Pabletto2k | Llorean: Yesterday i installed rockbox and i can play that music but when i plug my device to computer i see nothing.. no mp3 files |
| 18:54:50 | Llorean | Pabletto2k: You're in the sandisk firmware. Maybe you used MTP mode before. |
| 18:54:56 | Llorean | I can't say or know what you did before, but I'm not lying to you. |
| 18:54:57 | gevaerts | Pabletto2k: the sansa firmware likes to mark the music directory as hidden |
| 18:55:05 | Llorean | If you're using 3.2, you're using the Sandisk firmware for USB |
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| 18:55:30 | Pabletto2k | Llorean: I want to delete that music and add new one, but i cant see the files.. im in windows right now |
| 18:55:40 | Pabletto2k | im in rockbox |
| 18:55:42 | Llorean | Pabletto2k: I can't tell you where you put your music. |
| 18:55:52 | gevaerts | Pabletto2k: tell windows to show hidden files and directories |
| 18:55:54 | Llorean | You are not in Rockbox if you can see your player from Windows |
| 18:56:13 | Pabletto2k | Llorean: im in rockbox.. i know what rockbox is |
| 18:56:20 | Llorean | Pabletto2k: Then you aren't using 3.2 |
| 18:56:33 | Pabletto2k | i will plug my device to the computer.. hang on |
| 18:56:42 | Pabletto2k | and thanks for helping :) |
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| 18:57:29 | Pabletto2k | Ok when i plug it the device restart 2 times and goes back to the old firmware.. thats right? |
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| 18:58:17 | Llorean | Yes |
| 18:58:27 | Llorean | That's exactly what I told you was happening - USB connections are happening in the original firmware. |
| 18:58:31 | Pabletto2k | oh gevaerts was right |
| 18:58:41 | Pabletto2k | the sansa hide my folders |
| 18:58:52 | Pabletto2k | lol |
| 18:59:08 | gevaerts | it will keep rehiding them. You may be better off just making a folder with a different name |
| 18:59:24 | saratoga_home | or just update rockbox and not use the original firmware |
| 18:59:28 | Pabletto2k | thnx for the advice |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:31 | saratoga_home | gevaerts: i wanted to ask you about USB mode, when I turn off the computer it stays at the connected screen until i unplug |
| 19:00:43 | Pabletto2k | one more thing I installed the voice menu and now im hateing it |
| 19:01:06 | saratoga_home | i assume its because the computer is still providing charging power, but it seems a little odd |
| 19:01:07 | Pabletto2k | how can i disable that annoying thing ? |
| 19:01:16 | rasher | Pabletto2k: general settings > voice |
| 19:01:25 | Llorean | Pabletto2k: The options are described in the manual |
| 19:01:40 | Pabletto2k | ok thank you :) |
| 19:01:57 | gevaerts | saratoga_home: we don't do disconnect handling entirely correctly yet. You'll see the same thing if you're connected trough a hub and then disconnect the hub from the host |
| 19:02:36 | saratoga_home | ok as long as you're aware |
| 19:02:49 | Pabletto2k | A friend told me the battery of his sansa run out faster with rockbox than with the original firmware |
| 19:02:50 | Pabletto2k | is that true ? |
| 19:02:54 | saratoga_home | no |
| 19:03:16 | gevaerts | it was true until about a year ago |
| 19:03:35 | Pabletto2k | mmhhh i see |
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| 19:07:47 | Pabletto2k | im loving rockbox i guess i can modify things with c++ |
| 19:07:53 | Pabletto2k | is it built on c++ ? |
| 19:07:53 | Llorean | C, not C++ |
| 19:08:05 | Pabletto2k | nice :) |
| 19:08:13 | Russel-Athletic | another question: i have a svn version of rockbox (pulled the tag of 3.2), how can i enable the rockbox usb stack? (i know it is experimental and blabla :D) |
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| 19:08:44 | gibbon_ | hi there |
| 19:08:51 | gevaerts | Russel-Athletic: I think you'd be better off just using a current build then |
| 19:08:53 | Llorean | Russel-Athletic: The easiest solution would just be to use a current build instead |
| 19:09:31 | Russel-Athletic | now easy variable somewhere to set? |
| 19:09:34 | Russel-Athletic | or some include? |
| 19:09:49 | gevaerts | yes, but there's a more or less serious fix to the usb stack that's not in 3.2 |
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| 19:09:54 | Llorean | Why do you want to use 3.2 instead of more current code? |
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| 19:10:34 | Russel-Athletic | because i don't want to have the latex bleeding edge, so I revered to a sane version |
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| 19:10:52 | gibbon_ | i wanted to ask, if there is any chance to find out, if an iPod mini is a 1G or a 2G without using the inputs? (i have bought a mini with broken wheel and want to find out if i gain anything by exchanging the logic board with my G1s |
| 19:10:55 | gevaerts | Russel-Athletic: you need to define USE_ROCKBOX_USB in the config-yourplayer.h, but as I said, the usb code in 3.2 is not as solid as in trunk |
| 19:11:10 | BigBambi | why not? |
| 19:11:23 | BigBambi | @ Russel-Athletic |
| 19:11:56 | Russel-Athletic | BigBambi: i want something thats working :) |
| 19:12:07 | Llorean | The bleeding edge build works better than 3.2 |
| 19:12:16 | BigBambi | It does work |
| 19:12:24 | Llorean | That's not _always_ the case, but we try to keep it working as well as possible. |
| 19:12:30 | Russel-Athletic | well then i go with this |
| 19:12:33 | * | gevaerts is using extra bleeding edge right now |
| 19:14:11 | Llorean | Code you haven't committed yet? |
| 19:15:06 | krazykit | he cut his hand on the computer |
| 19:16:12 | gevaerts | Not mine, FS #9795 |
| 19:17:47 | gibbon_ | and another thing.. is there some generic-ness in the interface, the ipod remote uses for communication? i wondered what "bus" is going throught these 4 pins |
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| 19:30:39 | bluebrother | rasher: is there a reason you added an additional prefix to some of the release targets? That creates the same situation as for sansae200 vs e200 and similar |
| 19:30:55 | rasher | bluebrother: huh? what, where? |
| 19:31:20 | bluebrother | and I'd really like to have that consistent to minimize "translation" issues |
| 19:31:23 | * | kugel notices that skip length is broken on a 64bit sim |
| 19:32:02 | bluebrother | f.e. forzvm30gb −− it's createivezvw30gb in sims.pl |
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| 19:32:38 | rasher | bluebrother: a) I'm pretty sure that's how it is in configure b) afaik I'm the only one using sims.pl (for my windows sim site) |
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| 19:33:13 | bluebrother | it's not a real issue right now, but for rbutil we need to translate e200 -> sansae200 (and some others as well), and I'd really like that difference to be removed |
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| 19:33:43 | bluebrother | it could be quesioned if we should consider moving to <manufacturer>-<model> the same time |
| 19:34:09 | rasher | arguably, sansae200 is just the model. sandisk-sansae200 would be <manufacturer>-<model> |
| 19:34:38 | bluebrother | well, the model is e200 in configure. So the question is if configure should use that naming as well |
| 19:35:46 | rasher | I was thinking of in "real" terms, Sansa is just part of Sandisk's model name |
| 19:36:16 | rasher | But my commit should have no influence on this, since sims.pl isn't used for anything |
| 19:36:21 | bluebrother | another thing I'm wondering about every now at then is why we still have the numbers in configure. They are shorter, ok, but ... |
| 19:36:37 | rasher | bluebrother: easier to type |
| 19:36:58 | bluebrother | maybe. I tend to use the names (easier to recognize ;-) |
| 19:38:03 | * | gevaerts uses the numbers |
| 19:38:05 | bluebrother | hmm, for the zvm it's even creativezvm30 in configure |
| 19:38:07 | rasher | That's not so bad when you're building e200, but creativezvm60gb is a bitch to type, I imagine |
| 19:38:15 | bluebrother | so yet another name :( |
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| 19:38:23 | rasher | What do you mean? |
| 19:39:11 | rasher | Okay, I'm going to put up a page which lists what's used where |
| 19:39:29 | bluebrother | I'm just crying about those naming inconsistencies ;-) |
| 19:40:28 | bluebrother | it's m3 for iaudio m3 but meizu-m3 for the meizu m3 ... |
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| 19:46:47 | Unhelpful | pixelma: thanks. which targets did you test on? i'll try to go through the rest on sim, and if things seem to "work" generally i'll go ahead and commit it... unless i sholud fix the manual's keymaps at the same time? |
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| 19:52:40 | rasher | So is it Cowon? Iaudio? Is Iaudio a sub-brand of Cowon? What's going on there.. |
| 19:53:21 | rasher | It seems Iaudio is indeed a sub-brand of cowon |
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| 20:00:27 | Pabletto2k | hey guys where can i get the coverflow plugin? :D |
| 20:01:18 | Llorean | Pabletto2k: It's part of Rockbox. |
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| 20:01:54 | Llorean | It's even in the manual... |
| 20:02:38 | Pabletto2k | i seek for it in the application -> plugins |
| 20:02:47 | Pabletto2k | plugins -> application |
| 20:02:52 | Pabletto2k | when i add the cover flow |
| 20:02:55 | Pabletto2k | it loads that plugin ? |
| 20:03:00 | archivator | try plugins->demos |
| 20:03:12 | Pabletto2k | i know i can add covers to my music |
| 20:03:16 | Llorean | Pabletto2k: You really should look in the manual. |
| 20:03:41 | bluebrother | Pabletto2k: have you been directed to the manual already? ;-) |
| 20:03:58 | Pabletto2k | i ahve |
| 20:03:59 | Pabletto2k | i have |
| 20:04:03 | Pabletto2k | i read i need to add |
| 20:04:07 | Pabletto2k | the 100x100 covers |
| 20:04:10 | Pabletto2k | to my folders |
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| 20:05:21 | Pabletto2k | oh i need to ask, i bought my sansa and no wall charge came with it |
| 20:05:23 | Llorean | Pabletto2k: Please don't split sentences across multiple lines. |
| 20:05:45 | Pabletto2k | is not harmfull to use the usb to charge ? |
| 20:06:19 | Pabletto2k | because every time you connect the device it starts charging so the battery is not harming ? |
| 20:07:17 | Llorean | It only charges if it's not full. |
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| 20:07:28 | Pabletto2k | i know |
| 20:07:34 | Pabletto2k | but its always charging |
| 20:07:44 | Llorean | Only if it's not full. |
| 20:07:49 | Llorean | It's not always charging, only when needed. |
| 20:08:17 | Llorean | Small charges are not harmful. They actually heat the battery less. |
| 20:08:27 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: why don't the IMX31, TCC7X & TCC780X targets use the audio buffer in the USB storage driver? |
| 20:08:43 | Pabletto2k | ok i thought it was not good to charge every time i connect the device (and is not fully charged) |
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| 20:11:36 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: IMX31 because of MMU reasons. Most RAM is mapped differently from the point of view of the USB hardware than from the point of view of the software, so it would need a translation function. Ask jhMikeS for details. I don't know why the TCCs are different. They possibly just copied the IMX31 lines, but I actually have no idea |
| 20:12:30 | mcuelenaere | ok, then I suppose the ISP1583 shouldn't do that either |
| 20:12:57 | gevaerts | If you have the choice, use the audio buffer |
| 20:13:32 | rasher | bluebrother: where do we have the problem - normal build, manual and voice downloads? |
| 20:14:33 | bluebrother | rasher: all of them |
| 20:14:46 | bluebrother | it's consistently different :o |
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| 20:17:59 | kugel | gevaerts: normally, you still should be able to access the RAM using its physical address even if it's mapped. Also, the imx31 has a translation function |
| 20:18:36 | kugel | addr_virt_to_phys() and addr_phys_to_virt() |
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| 20:19:25 | gevaerts | kugel: I remember that we spent some time trying to get this to work, until jhMikeS suggested just using this bit of RAM that was lying around unused that happened to have a straight-through mapping. I think there's agreement that this should be cleaned up |
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| 20:22:06 | kugel | mcuelenaere: you left a LOGF_ENABLE #define uncommented |
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| 20:27:42 | * | domonoky is talking with bluebrother about autodetection in rbutil: if rbutil detects more then one device, should it show a menu to select a device, or stop wotking? |
| 20:27:59 | domonoky | s/woking/working, ie refuse to continue. |
| 20:28:31 | Llorean | Menu, I think |
| 20:28:39 | domonoky | i am for the menu, bluebrother wants no menu, because the patchers cant work with more then 1 ipod/sansa connected.. |
| 20:28:50 | gevaerts | all at once! |
| 20:29:02 | Llorean | Menu, with a red warning that says "bootloaders cannot be installed with multiple players attached"? |
| 20:29:15 | domonoky | if(user!=bluebrother) showmenu() :-) |
| 20:29:26 | bluebrother | well, that's a special case. |
| 20:29:38 | domonoky | Llorean: yes, that wht i suggested, just show a warning.. |
| 20:29:43 | bluebrother | rbutil should be able to install the bootloader if multiple ipods are connected to the correct one |
| 20:29:49 | rasher | bluebrother: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuildNames |
| 20:29:49 | Llorean | Would it be possible to, when installing a build, run the "detection" on the targeted player and pop up a warning if the selected build target doesn't match the detected player? |
| 20:30:00 | bluebrother | adding a warning is yet another special case. |
| 20:30:09 | Llorean | To avoid things like people installing 1g2g builds to Nanos, etc. |
| 20:30:27 | bluebrother | and I'm pretty sure we can make ipodpatcher use the correct ipod, i.e. work fine with multiple ipods |
| 20:30:34 | * | gevaerts thinks that MrSomeone should fix the patchers |
| 20:31:01 | Llorean | Well, then we fix *playerpatcher and then do a menu? |
| 20:31:01 | bluebrother | thing is, if a user selects one of two detected Ipods he *will* expect the bootloader install to work with that. |
| 20:31:24 | domonoky | Llorean: it already warns if the installed version doesn match the new one. but it doesnt check against a autodetection.. |
| 20:31:26 | bluebrother | well, I'm not against a menu if the patchers work with it (it's the same issue for sansapatcher) |
| 20:31:29 | Llorean | bluebrother: If the menu screen always says has red text saying "Bootloader install won't work with multiple players attached" so that every time they see that menu, they also see the warning... |
| 20:31:43 | Llorean | domonoky: I know, I was suggesting it check against autodetection since that's more reliable. |
| 20:31:58 | bluebrother | Llorean: that means you need to check that before installing the bootloader. Even more code ... |
| 20:32:02 | rasher | bluebrother: maybe it's enough to just refuse to do bootloader installation |
| 20:32:04 | domonoky | Llorean: at moment it isnt really more reliable.. |
| 20:32:11 | * | bluebrother goes looking into the patchers |
| 20:32:23 | bluebrother | rasher: sure, but it needs to get checked again |
| 20:32:28 | Llorean | domonoky: But it should be eventually |
| 20:32:29 | domonoky | rasher: the patchers already do this. |
| 20:32:56 | domonoky | Llorean: yes, i am working on this, thats why we have this discussion :-) |
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| 20:34:55 | * | bluebrother sees a possible way how to fix patcher integration |
| 20:35:39 | bluebrother | though it's a bit of work |
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| 20:40:34 | domonoky | early screenshot of such a menu: http://imagebin.ca/view/Fp0bLLl.html |
| 20:41:49 | archivator | Mountpoint is not exactly Windows terminology :) |
| 20:42:19 | domonoky | archivator: how do you call such thing, if its shown in Win/Lin/Mac ? :-) |
| 20:42:43 | archivator | Mount point on Linux, Drive on Windows, dunno about Mac. |
| 20:44:11 | bluebrother | you-don't-need-to-know-about on mac :P |
| 20:45:37 | bluebrother | domonoky: well, the device -> mountpoint resolving should be definite, thus I don't think the user should be able selecting it separately |
| 20:45:51 | bluebrother | also, I'd prefer a real list instead of a dropdown |
| 20:45:53 | domonoky | the empty line in this sceen shot, is again the different modelnames.. rockbox-info.txt uses modelnames from configure :-) |
| 20:46:30 | domonoky | bluebrother: the problem is: there can be multiple possible mountpoints for a device.. should we make this different devices ? |
| 20:46:56 | kugel | so, my sim crashes with an error I cannot explain (get_token_value returns assigned an illegal address, an address out of bounts), and it does not happen on my player. any idea? |
| 20:47:33 | bluebrother | domonoky: in what case is that possible? Mountpoint resolving is pretty solid these days |
| 20:48:12 | domonoky | the typical user problem: user installed to the wrong mountpoint before.. |
| 20:48:55 | domonoky | and of course the dev "problem": test installations in different mountpoints. |
| 20:49:10 | bluebrother | then make it two distinct devices. Heck, it's even possible a user has two identical players connected |
| 20:49:35 | domonoky | yes, the it finds this device at two possible locations... |
| 20:50:04 | bluebrother | well, that would mean there are two devices |
| 20:50:25 | domonoky | it was a list in the earlier attempt in the tracker.. it didnt look to nice. |
| 20:51:15 | domonoky | but the screenshot is ofcouse a early prototype, it needs more work.. |
| 20:52:32 | domonoky | new autodetection prevers to find too much devices, instead of too less, or the wrong one (as before). any comments against this ? |
| 20:53:42 | domonoky | the bad thing about this is: autodetection takes longer, because it uses all known detection methods, and the user has to choose a device if rbutil isnt sure.. |
| 20:54:31 | gevaerts | domonoky: what's the chance of rbutil not being sure for the typical user? |
| 20:54:59 | bluebrother | domonoky: why not do it in two steps? First implement handling of multiple devices at all. Indicate the user to remove all but one. |
| 20:55:17 | BigBambi | domonoky, archivator: I believe that Macs call it "Volume" |
| 20:55:21 | bluebrother | in the second step add selection functionality. Makes the diff also shorter and easier to understand :) |
| 20:55:52 | domonoky | bluebrother: because, if i do the detection of multiple devices, i already have a list... so its not much code to aktually show it.. |
| 20:55:58 | archivator | There, "Mount point" on Linux, Drive on Windows, Volume on Mac. Pretty consistent :) |
| 20:56:42 | rasher | And on BSD? |
| 20:56:47 | bluebrother | Rockbox Utility is consistent. It calls it mountpoint. |
| 20:56:57 | Pabletto2k | does anyone know if its posible to use the picture flow for selecting the music to play ? |
| 20:57:05 | bluebrother | Pabletto2k: no |
| 20:57:28 | Pabletto2k | and whats the funtion ? to show pictures ? xD |
| 20:57:29 | gevaerts | Pabletto2k: probably in some later release |
| 20:57:35 | Pabletto2k | :D |
| 20:57:37 | domonoky | gevaerts: the chance is low for the "normal" user, if nothing goes wrong.. But we could also use this for devices we cant detect now, ie ipod5.5 64MB is always detected as 32mb version 8which is safe) .. |
| 20:57:45 | Pabletto2k | maybe i can help with development |
| 20:57:57 | Pabletto2k | C/C++ programmingf |
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| 20:58:40 | wodz | hello - I have question what is the difference between suffle mode and repeat->shuffle? |
| 20:59:09 | BigBambi | Pabletto2k: C |
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| 21:00:28 | Pabletto2k | nice.. is it well documented ? |
| 21:01:01 | * | bluebrother goes downloading gimp just to make a screenshot on w32 :( |
| 21:01:19 | BigBambi | wodz: Repeat shuffle and shuffle are explained in the manual |
| 21:01:25 | domonoky | bluebrother: paint is enough for screenshots :-) |
| 21:01:32 | BigBambi | Pabletto2k: The source? |
| 21:01:55 | archivator | bluebrother: paint has png support |
| 21:02:09 | bluebrother | does paint support capturing? |
| 21:02:15 | kugel | and vista/win7 has a nice screenshot tool build in |
| 21:02:26 | archivator | alt+prtscn ? |
| 21:02:27 | wodz | BigBambi: yes it is and I dont catch difference |
| 21:02:29 | kugel | bluebrother: you can paste the screenshot into paint.. |
| 21:02:42 | bluebrother | archivator: ah, true. Almost forgot about that |
| 21:03:01 | BigBambi | wodz: Repeat shuffle will repeat a playlist and shuffle it differently each time |
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| 21:03:30 | BigBambi | wodz: Shuffle will just shuffle once, if you then turn repeat on the same shuffled playlist will repeat |
| 21:03:46 | wodz | BigBambi: I see |
| 21:03:52 | BigBambi | without reshuffling |
| 21:04:45 | wodz | BigBambi: Thanks |
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| 21:12:17 | bluebrother | domonoky: mockup here: http://imagebin.ca/view/i-YDbb4.html |
| 21:12:45 | * | bluebrother wonders who on earth considered it a good idea to always have an empty window open in gimp 2.6 |
| 21:12:59 | domonoky | looks nice... |
| 21:13:16 | bluebrother | that's how I imagined it |
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| 21:18:43 | wodz | I'm reading manual and I have another question - Is it possible to charge ipod mini form laptop's usb without getting into emergency disk mode? |
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| 21:20:49 | wodz | Manual in section 8.5.2 states I should set 'Charge During USB Connection' to No, so how I am supposed to charge ipod without wall charger? |
| 21:22:02 | bluebrother | it only recommends to turn that off if you're using an unpowered hub |
| 21:22:17 | bluebrother | it doesn't recommend simply turning it off. |
| 21:23:14 | wodz | "Turning it Off is recommended if the dap is connected through an unpowered USB hub or a laptop port." |
| 21:23:24 | bluebrother | I know, I can read that too |
| 21:23:40 | saratoga | do you have an unpowered port? |
| 21:23:50 | wodz | no I have laptop :-) |
| 21:24:03 | bluebrother | well, shouldn't that answer the question? |
| 21:24:30 | wodz | it states unpowerd hub OR laptop port |
| 21:24:39 | wodz | so I should turn this off |
| 21:24:45 | saratoga | no |
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| 21:25:12 | wodz | so I must have problems with understanding this statement |
| 21:25:13 | bluebrother | well, it depends if that port is capable of driving 500mA |
| 21:25:37 | wodz | Are there some easy way to check? |
| 21:25:46 | saratoga | basically they all are |
| 21:26:26 | bluebrother | rasher: nice table :) |
| 21:27:23 | rasher | bluebrother: I would guess we need to decide on how we want the targets named, and then just work our way through everything that doesn't match. The current situation is a mess |
| 21:27:23 | wodz | As far as I remember USB standard allows to take up to 500mA from single port |
| 21:27:40 | bluebrother | domonoky: do you remember a function in rbutil to resolve disk name -> mountpoint? I think to remmeber we had it somewhere (and it was even me who added it) but I can't find it :/ |
| 21:28:14 | domonoky | yes, one moment... |
| 21:28:22 | bluebrother | rasher: yes. Worst case is having rbutil downloads breaking for a short time but better do it now than later |
| 21:28:29 | domonoky | QString Autodetection::resolveMountPoint(QString device) |
| 21:28:42 | domonoky | in base/autodetection.c |
| 21:28:51 | * | bluebrother would like to scrap one of detect.cpp and autodetection.cpp |
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| 21:30:08 | bluebrother | domonoky: argh, I meant the other way round |
| 21:31:01 | bluebrother | but checking the lookup on w32 makes me believe we don't have the other way |
| 21:31:09 | domonoky | mountpoint-> device doesnt exist for now |
| 21:31:40 | domonoky | and please dont change autodetection.cpp heavily while i am working on it :-) |
| 21:31:58 | * | bluebrother slaps domonoky with rbsettings.{cpp,h} |
| 21:32:30 | domonoky | i didnt change much.. and you patch isnt in the tacker :-) |
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| 21:32:45 | * | domonoky misses keys... |
| 21:32:56 | bluebrother | well, it wasn't ready that time. Now it's heavily broken :( |
| 21:33:08 | bluebrother | I really need to merge that |
| 21:33:54 | domonoky | how can it be heavily broken, when i just changed two function names ? |
| 21:34:34 | bluebrother | that's rather simple: I changed that file completely and replaced a bunch of functions |
| 21:34:43 | bluebrother | so now that function isn't a separate function anymore |
| 21:34:56 | bluebrother | thus automatic merge doesn't work at all for this |
| 21:34:58 | domonoky | ah, but there is a way to do the same ? |
| 21:35:37 | bluebrother | yes. You remember the idea of list-based settings I mentioned at devcon? |
| 21:35:39 | domonoky | you should really put it on tracker.. nearly every rbutil change will break it.. settings are everywhere |
| 21:36:13 | bluebrother | well, it will only break if rbsettings.{cpp,h} changes. Settings getting used are easy to fix up |
| 21:36:38 | bluebrother | too bad you broke it like 2 days before I was finished enough to get posted to the tracker |
| 21:39:23 | domonoky | if you look at the change, i renamed two ini entrys, renamed the corresponding getter, and ofcourse corrected the use of this getters, that shouldnt be much to merge... |
| 21:40:01 | bluebrother | yes. It's still completely different (and nothing to be done easily after a long office day) |
| 21:40:03 | domonoky | and also should post early work on the tracker, even when it isnt finished, so others can see what you are working on.. |
| 21:42:22 | Nico_P | will this new dialog appear when the configured device isn't found? |
| 21:43:17 | domonoky | Nico_P: no it will shown, when it finds more then one device at autodetection |
| 21:43:43 | Nico_P | couldn't rbutil automatically attempt to find devices when the configured one isn't there? |
| 21:44:20 | Nico_P | I find it cumbersome to use with several targets |
| 21:44:55 | domonoky | Nico_P: and when should it notice, that the configured one isnt there ? |
| 21:45:09 | Nico_P | at startup, like it currently does |
| 21:45:33 | domonoky | rbutil doesnt do autodetection at startup at moment.. |
| 21:46:07 | bluebrother | domonoky: any problems with me changing resolveMountPoint()? |
| 21:46:14 | Nico_P | I know, but on my setup it complains if I start it up without the device being plugged in (because the mount point doesn't exist) |
| 21:46:34 | Nico_P | I get the dialog saying the configuration is invalid |
| 21:47:23 | bluebrother | well, it checks if the configuration is "vaild". It doesn't check for the correct player though |
| 21:48:14 | Nico_P | I'd guess that most often a config is invalid because the player isn't there anymore. also I assume it's not hard to make sure |
| 21:48:28 | * | Nico_P has to go |
| 21:48:50 | domonoky | check if a given path exists, is a lot easier then full autodetection.. |
| 21:49:20 | wodz | Strange - according to manual 8.5.2 there should be option General Settings->System->Battery->Charge During USB Connection and I don't see it in 3.2 nor current build |
| 21:50:31 | rasher | wodz: The manual is not infallible |
| 21:50:39 | rasher | Yet. |
| 21:50:55 | wodz | Ok. so I am supposed to look for this option |
| 21:51:09 | rasher | I'm not sure such an option exists anymore |
| 21:51:29 | rasher | Anyone.. gevaerts? |
| 21:51:49 | * | gevaerts again explains the difference between knowing about USB and knowing about charging :) |
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| 21:53:40 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: ping |
| 21:53:47 | wodz | Ok, so I ask again how can I charge ipod mini using USB cable? |
| 21:54:06 | wodz | emergency disk mode is the only solution? |
| 21:54:07 | archivator | AFAIK, it only exists for targets with HAVE_USB_CHARGING. I only know that because dreamlayers' patch to enable charging on iPods defines that. |
| 21:55:20 | archivator | wodz: if it's anything like the Video, it should charge, only extremely slowly. That is, don't do any file transfers and you should be fine :) Also, you can hold Menu to continue using Rockbox while it's charging from USB. |
| 21:55:53 | wodz | well it is not charging it is discharging this way |
| 21:56:06 | wodz | I tested this |
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| 21:56:42 | Davide-NYC | To the devs: My Gigabeat S with a recent single-boot bootloader has yet again resulted in the dreaded OF restore procedure. |
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| 21:57:10 | archivator | wodz: does it say discharging or charging in System->Debug->View battery? |
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| 21:57:59 | Davide-NYC | i do not know if it's the particular OF that I have on my beast or if there is some subtle hardware difference or if there may be an actual hardware problem. |
| 21:58:22 | Davide-NYC | All I can figure is that with the dual-boot bootloader I have no such problem. |
| 21:58:55 | Davide-NYC | More mystery than clarity but I thought I would report it regardless. |
| 21:59:48 | Davide-NYC | If any of the devs want the unit for testing I'd be glad to mail it to them (within the lower 48) |
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| 22:00:06 | Davide-NYC | cheers |
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| 22:00:12 | wodz | archivator: it says charger: absent |
| 22:00:47 | domonoky | bluebrother: new screenshot: http://imagebin.ca/view/MRSixYUb.html |
| 22:00:52 | wodz | but from the other hand it displays icon about being plugged |
| 22:02:58 | archivator | wodz: I don't have a Mini. On my Video, there is a second page with more data (USB pwr, charger pwr, battery : (dis)charging, etc). Do you have anything like that or is "Charger: absent" somewhere above/below the voltage graph? |
| 22:03:32 | bluebrother | domonoky: much nicer imo. |
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| 22:05:53 | wodz | archivator: below graph (the second page) I have: Power status: \nBattery: 4.054V\n\nCharger: absent |
| 22:06:10 | BigBambi | What does within the lower 48 mean? (w.r.t. Davide-NYC) |
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| 22:07:03 | archivator | wodz: that's quite different than what I have.The fact that you get an empty power status line is cause for concern, though. What build are you running? |
| 22:07:37 | BigBambi | domonoky: You have reversed / (\)s! :) |
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| 22:08:23 | wodz | archivator: r20609-090403 |
| 22:09:20 | bluebrother | BigBambi: no, he only forgot QDir::toNativeSeparators() ;-) |
| 22:09:45 | BigBambi | aha, that old chesnut! :) |
| 22:10:10 | bluebrother | Qt's internal representation of path delimiters is the / (fortunately) |
| 22:10:18 | domonoky | BigBambi: :-) |
| 22:10:34 | archivator | wodz: I'm out of ideas then. Leave it plugged for the night and see what happens. Also, is it connected directly to your PC or through a hub? It could be that you're trying to charge from an unpowered hub. Try changing the USB port.. |
| 22:10:49 | * | domonoky added a QDir::toNativeSeparators(..) for the gui :-) |
| 22:11:11 | BigBambi | hehe, good work :) |
| 22:12:34 | wodz | archivator: It is connected directly to usb port (laptop). I left it connected last night and it discharged completly. Anyway rebooting ipod into emergency disk mode makes charging work so this is rockbox problem |
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| 22:14:51 | archivator | wodz: it's a known bug that the iPods charge slowly from USB but I didn't know the Minis don't charge at all... i.e., FS #8802 |
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| 22:16:10 | Unhelpful | archivator: i still think the idea of registering a callback to process samples for visualization might be the best way to go in the long run. |
| 22:16:34 | bluebrother | my mini charges over usb |
| 22:17:23 | gevaerts | it may depend on how old the battery is I guess |
| 22:17:31 | archivator | Unhelpful: I agree. I just don't feel that confident tinkering with that part of rockbox. I prefer if someone else did it. |
| 22:18:17 | archivator | wodz: are you sure your laptop is giving power to the USB ports? Do other devices charge? |
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| 22:19:31 | wodz | archivator: I don't have other device to try but I am able to charge this Ipod but only in emergency disk mode/original firmware |
| 22:19:46 | archivator | Oh, right, forgot about that, sorry. |
| 22:20:20 | Nico_P | domonoky: I know that checking for the existence of a path is easier than autodetection, but couldn't rbutil attempt to autodetect if the configured path doesn't exist? |
| 22:20:56 | domonoky | Nico_P: yes thats possible.. |
| 22:21:19 | Nico_P | it would certainly be quite nice IMHO |
| 22:22:15 | archivator | wodz: Well, you *could* try the patch in FS #8802 (last time I tried it, it worked fairly well, though its long term effects are unknown) .. Nothing more we can do to help, I'm afraid. |
| 22:23:18 | wodz | archivator: thanks for the reference - I am just reading FS #8802 |
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| 22:25:33 | bluebrother | ho |
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| 22:34:53 | wodz | archivator: I glanced at patch You mentioned - it is for mini2G/nano/color/4g/video. I have mini1G so booting into emergency disko mode is probably the simplest solution |
| 22:35:31 | wodz | maybe this should be put into manual? |
| 22:35:58 | archivator | The way I see it, the manual is for features, not bugs :) |
| 22:37:22 | wodz | archivator: You can always say like M$ - it is not a bug - it is a feature :-) |
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| 23:05:21 | bluebrother | domonoky: ok, got it working. ipodpatcher now uses the disk number that is matching the mountpoint |
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| 23:05:47 | domonoky | nice :-) |
| 23:05:48 | bluebrother | w32 only for now but that's not the issue. Will add sansapatcher now |
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| 23:06:28 | domonoky | but we should really release a new version, before we commit all this changes :-) |
| 23:08:54 | bluebrother | of *course* it's working somewhat different for the sansa. hmpf |
| 23:09:19 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i had an idea for a (relatively) clean way that WPS-embedded plugins that want to do more than visualization might be able to handle some input... it's a *bit* hackish, i think, but probably of fairly small cost to core. the plugin API would have a new function that registers a hook to replace calls to get_action. a TSR plugin would register a button handler, WPS would call the hook instead of directly calling get_action, and t |
| 23:09:19 | Unhelpful | he hook function would put any actions that it decides to "steal" into an event queue for the plugin to read from. |
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| 23:10:31 | Unhelpful | it could even be used more generally to have *other* TSR plugins react to input, but i think that that would be a horrid mess (plugins having to have a keymap for each core context, and decide which keys they would override for their controls in each case) compared to just having WPS use the hook, and other parts of core ignore it. |
| 23:11:32 | * | amiconn wouldn't like that |
| 23:11:40 | amiconn | It breaks consistency |
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| 23:12:40 | Unhelpful | i don't think it's a huge break in consistency if the user is aware that the particular plugin steals some input events. the more general case, i don't think i'll even try to argue for - it's an awful mess to even think about. |
| 23:13:05 | Llorean | Unhelpful: Isn't that, in a way, TSR plugins *as* WPS? |
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| 23:14:47 | webguest95 | I am totally random. Nobody knows who I am except the people I talk to in real life. Don't bother thinking about why I'm here doing this, because there is no real reason. It's not like you haven't done this type of thing before. You're humans! It's common psychology. I'm off now. Take care, everyone! |
| 23:16:06 | Unhelpful | Llorean: it needn't be. a vis plugin with multiple modes might steal just one button, to switch them. something like the advanced play control plugin we talked about a few weeks ago might have a "vis mode" where it can embed in the WPS, and show data about the playlist, and what it's doing to it, and take input to modify playback without leaving WPS. it would probably be best to use a single hotkey there, too, and pass all input throug |
| 23:16:06 | Unhelpful | h until the hotkey is pressed. |
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| 23:18:01 | amiconn | Imo the plugin should have an ordinary config menu itself, which is invoked via the "quit plugin" |
| 23:18:18 | amiconn | ...calback. |
| 23:18:56 | amiconn | That would work without any additional button, which simply isn't available on several targets |
| 23:20:06 | Unhelpful | fair enough. probably best to tackle vis plugins before even talking about being able to manipulate them, anyway :) |
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| 23:23:20 | Unhelpful | a vis plugin would have to be TSR, since the WPS itself is running in the main thread, right? what exactly would we need... a tag that indicates a target for visualization, and a way for the TSR plugin's thread to know if the WPS is being displayed or not? |
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| 23:32:57 | domonoky | Unhelpful: if we really want visualisation/wps plugins, it would be perhaps better to create a seperate plugin system for this ? |
| 23:33:28 | amiconn | Imo that would be a waste |
| 23:34:01 | amiconn | A visualisation and an ordinary plugin never need to run at the same time |
| 23:34:13 | gevaerts | I think we need to make them able to coexist with battery_bench, but that's it |
| 23:34:33 | Llorean | gevaerts: i'm not sure that's really necessary |
| 23:34:41 | domonoky | they could use the same space in ram, but perhaps need a different api ? |
| 23:34:44 | Llorean | We can just say "you don't need to battery bench plugins", which we do already |
| 23:34:45 | amiconn | The only exception would be other tsr plugins - but those are rare, and imo it isn't necessary to support them together with visualisations |
| 23:35:35 | gevaerts | We could do it by changing the load address of tsr plugins. They tend to be tiny anyway, so we can push them to the back of the plugin buffer |
| 23:36:41 | amiconn | That would be very difficult |
| 23:37:00 | gevaerts | why? |
| 23:37:00 | amiconn | The plugin buffer is not only used by plugins |
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| 23:37:24 | * | gevaerts admits to be ignorant about most of this |
| 23:37:35 | amiconn | The playlist viewer also uses it - that's btw the reason why a tsr plugin *must* nut use plugin_get_buffer() |
| 23:37:35 | gevaerts | what else uses it? |
| 23:37:46 | amiconn | s/nut/not/ |
| 23:37:47 | gevaerts | ah ok |
| 23:39:20 | gevaerts | we could let the tsrs sit where they are currently, and put the wps plugins a bit further into the buffer. Those shouldn't ever interfere with the playlist viewer |
| 23:39:42 | gevaerts | They just get less room, but the current ones don't use all of it anyway |
| 23:40:16 | * | amiconn thinks that it would be too much effort for just a single plugin |
| 23:40:26 | * | Llorean thinks not pretending visualizations aren't plugins is the best way |
| 23:40:53 | Llorean | If we just keep it clear up front to users that visualizations conflict with plugins / TSR plugins, we're not going to run into problems later when they start getting bigger and people find out about the 'hidden' limits |
| 23:41:52 | gevaerts | They are different anyway. They aren't allowed to use the full screen, so they'd get a viewport on startup |
| 23:42:03 | amiconn | Sure? |
| 23:42:14 | amiconn | They could be dual plugins |
| 23:42:35 | amiconn | Fullscreen when started on their own, and confined to a viewport when started from the wps |
| 23:42:54 | gevaerts | with different entry points? |
| 23:43:00 | amiconn | no |
| 23:43:00 | gevaerts | that would work as well |
| 23:43:21 | amiconn | Same entry point, using the start parameter |
| 23:43:45 | * | amiconn thinks about oscilloscope as an example (which work on both hwcodec and swcodec) |
| 23:43:57 | amiconn | (except Player, but not for display reasons) |
| 23:44:38 | gevaerts | ok. So start would be a magic value meaning "call get_display_viewport() to find out where you're supposed to draw" ? |
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| 23:44:51 | gevaerts | s/start/the parameter/ |
| 23:45:48 | amiconn | Well, the start parameter is just a pointer. For viewers it points to the path to the file/dir it was invoked on, for normal plugins it's currently unised |
| 23:46:03 | amiconn | *unused even |
| 23:46:52 | gevaerts | ok. I guess the wps (or wherever it sits) code that decides to load this plugin startes a thread for it? |
| 23:47:24 | amiconn | The plugin would start the thread, same way as the tsr plugins |
| 23:48:45 | gevaerts | Then you have a plugin that sometimes runs in its own thread and sometimes doesn't. Wouldn't that make it too complicated? |
| 23:50:03 | amiconn | I don't think so, and it would keep the logic out of the core |
| 23:50:18 | Unhelpful | would get_display_viewport() work for "normal" plugin use as well? |
| 23:50:37 | Llorean | Shouldn't plugins always have a parent viewport anyway? Just, normally, it being the fullscreen one? |
| 23:50:50 | amiconn | The wps could pass a pointer to the viewport as the parameter |
| 23:51:07 | amiconn | NULL automagically means "default viewport" |
| 23:51:09 | Unhelpful | and it's NULL if you start the plugin via the menu? |
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| 23:52:06 | Unhelpful | ok, and if it's non-NULL, you start your plugin's draw code in a thread, and presumably there's some way to check whether or not the viewport it uses is currently visible? |
| 23:52:19 | amiconn | What's more difficult is the communication whether the wps is visible or not |
| 23:53:01 | amiconn | Maybe viewports could have a visibility flag |
| 23:53:28 | gevaerts | I think the plugin should exit when the wps is not visible. That keeps things simple |
| 23:53:44 | gevaerts | To know when that is, just register a callback |
| 23:53:49 | amiconn | Another problem may be if the user selects a new wps while the vis plugin is running |
| 23:53:59 | gevaerts | Same thing. Exit |
| 23:54:09 | amiconn | gevaerts: tsr plugins already do register a callback |
| 23:54:09 | Llorean | How do we track whether a viewport's visible to update it in the WPS? |
| 23:54:32 | Unhelpful | how exactly do you start the vis plugin, if it only runs while WPS is visible? is it specified in a WPS tag? |
| 23:54:32 | Llorean | Or is that not tracked as part of the viewport? |
| 23:55:01 | Unhelpful | i think working like TSR plugins do now might be easiest/best |
| 23:55:03 | gevaerts | hm, what about viewports that change size? |
| 23:55:03 | amiconn | ...which is called by the plugin loader when a new plugin is about to be loaded. Of course its functionality could be extended |
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| 23:56:01 | amiconn | gevaerts, Llorean: Exiting when the wps isn't visible might be easy, but it means reloading the plugin whenever the user returns from using the menu etc |
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| 23:56:42 | gevaerts | hm, true. I'd go for a callback that tells it about viewport updates then, including visibility |
| 23:57:22 | amiconn | Well, if viewports have a flag that indicates visibility, the whole communication could go through the viewport struct |
| 23:57:44 | amiconn | If a new wps is loaded, it would change the vis viewport's parameters |
| 23:58:06 | amiconn | Of course this would mean that the plugin would need to check viewport parameters for every update |
| 23:58:23 | amiconn | ...and using uncached ram on dualcore |
| 23:58:45 | Unhelpful | amiconn: do we really want to attach all that data to every viewport? wouldn't that make the struct larger - times however many viewports you use? perhaps a special global struct for the vis viewport's state would be better? |
| 23:58:49 | amiconn | But the latter also applies to structures used in callback communication |
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