| 00:00:15 | gevaerts | It happened on directory change (I use random folder advance), so I think that's at a full rebuffer |
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| 00:04:07 | Bagder | June 12-14 looks like the best devcon weekend right now |
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| 00:05:17 | gevaerts | yes, but I suspect that some people haven't updated the page yet since the july dates were added |
| 00:05:31 | archivator | Unhelpful: what if I just have a 512px-wide line and scale it down to LCD_WIDTH/HEIGHT using a reasonably fast resizing algorithm (even nearest neighbor would suffice) ? |
| 00:05:57 | Bagder | I would think so too, the July 3-5 is looking like an upcoming alternative |
| 00:06:13 | Bagder | only one less |
| 00:06:28 | * | gevaerts pings markun, pondlife and kugel |
| 00:07:03 | Unhelpful | archivator: skipping or repeating values is nearest neighbor. it should mostly work, since *most* columns will have values close to those of their neighbors. |
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| 00:08:39 | Unhelpful | this is going to be a downscaling operation on all *supported* targets. i think that resize.c's scale_h_area can be adapted to do the job nicely - it's an exact-coverage area scaler, so it can already handle things like 1.6 input columns per outptu. |
| 00:10:19 | Unhelpful | you'll need your own version of it, though. the one in resize.c is designed as part of a resizer for whole images, and also is intended for different input/output ranges than you're using. i'd say either chop values from one end, or skip as needed, and we can add a "nice" scaler later. |
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| 00:11:36 | archivator | It's a pity though, having to complicate it that way. I actually handled the other situation (512 points into 240px) rather nicely - 2 points per pixel + an extra point per pixel every 16 points. That's how I'm squeezing 480 points into 320 px now. Too bad the numbers are against me now :) |
| 00:12:41 | archivator | Right, I'm chopping at the end now. It works rather nicely, actually, 6.3% is not that big a part.. |
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| 00:19:23 | linuxstb | jhulst: I think the idea is to choose new components for everything, so you have a "blank" framework to fill in parts with. But I think gevaerts invented it, and he's just left for bed... |
| 00:20:42 | jhulst | linuxstb: Alright, I check with him if I have more questions. Thanks |
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| 00:35:27 | PSPdemon | if i may ask |
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| 00:35:41 | PSPdemon | when has usb msc mode on e200 worked? |
| 00:35:48 | PSPdemon | *since when |
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| 00:36:46 | krazykit | PSPdemon, read the MajorChanges wiki page |
| 00:36:47 | Unhelpful | at a guess, three or four weeks? you could look at the svn changes. :) |
| 00:37:01 | evilnick | PSPdemon: In the OF or in Rockbox? |
| 00:37:11 | PSPdemon | rockbox |
| 00:37:20 | PSPdemon | thanks krazykit and unhelpful |
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| 00:38:16 | PSPdemon | i just didnt realize i could use usb in rockbox |
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| 00:44:12 | Bawitdaba | hey the 3.2 release notes said something about a sleep mode for iPods? |
| 00:44:34 | Bawitdaba | that like the stock apple fw sleep mode? |
| 00:45:13 | krazykit | no. |
| 00:45:33 | Bawitdaba | ;( |
| 00:45:42 | krazykit | the only mention of "sleep" is putting the LCD to sleep to save battery |
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| 00:45:58 | evilnick | Which is very useful |
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| 00:47:12 | Bawitdaba | ah yeah i noticed that |
| 00:47:14 | Bawitdaba | ok |
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| 00:53:49 | * | evilnick would rather have an OFF mode that is genuinely off to save on battery power |
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| 00:57:27 | kugel | JdGordon|: what's mp3entry temp in audio_current_track needed for? |
| 00:59:14 | JdGordon| | thats the static one? |
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| 01:14:37 | * | Llorean has changed the "Installation" section of the forums |
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| 01:19:15 | kugel | JdGordon|: yea |
| 01:22:44 | kugel | JdGordon|: I'm wondering if that one is a) needed (couldn't the data being written to thistrack_id3 too) and b) if the whole part is dead code anyway (id3 is buffered first, so "not yet available" shouldn't be ever true) |
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| 01:36:32 | * | Unhelpful sees both \opt{ONDIO_PAD} and \opt{ondio} used... i'd imagine these are always defined together, but i guess i should use the _PAD versions when i'm dealing with keymaps? |
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| 01:44:16 | Unhelpful | pixelma: ok, maybe i do need a little bit of help here. the M3 uses the remote rew/ffwd buttons to scroll the album list... i'm not really sure how i refer to those? |
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| 01:48:13 | JdGordon| | kugel: that block is not dead code and is important |
| 01:48:40 | kugel | ok, but is that temp one needed? |
| 01:48:45 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 01:48:57 | kugel | why is the data not written into thistrack_id3? |
| 01:49:34 | JdGordon| | it possibly could be |
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| 01:51:22 | kugel | well I tried it, but got weird SIGFPEs in aac |
| 01:51:40 | JdGordon| | floating point exception? |
| 01:51:47 | * | JdGordon| guesses |
| 01:52:19 | * | JdGordon| tuerns out to be correct |
| 01:54:22 | kugel | yep |
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| 01:55:11 | JdGordon| | why are you looking in that area? the only thing that would give is a bit of a gren delta which isnt much to worry about |
| 01:56:46 | kugel | I was looking what could cause 10102 |
| 01:57:18 | kugel | (not that this would cause it, but that piece made me curious anyway) |
| 01:57:48 | dreamlayers | What about when switching tracks from the WPS? Could temp_id3 be needed then? |
| 01:57:59 | * | JdGordon| gets bitchslapped in email by dreamlayers :) |
| 01:58:03 | JdGordon| | ... and enjoys it! |
| 01:59:22 | JdGordon| | 10102 is just wierd... |
| 01:59:33 | dreamlayers | JdGordon|: I didn't mean to be rude, I was just communicating what I discovered. You enjoyed it, so I guess all is well. |
| 01:59:43 | JdGordon| | not at all |
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| 02:00:55 | JdGordon| | temp_id3 is needed when you are quickly skipping tracks and the info for the current track isnt ready yet. it does make sense that thistrack_id3 could be used... but I would leave that for a while because it might add more instability |
| 02:02:02 | dreamlayers | Does anyone have any hints on how to reproduce FS #10102 ? |
| 02:02:18 | kugel | seems to happen if you didn't play anything before |
| 02:02:34 | JdGordon| | yeah, it only happens the first track of a boot... |
| 02:02:42 | JdGordon| | and only on single screen targets |
| 02:02:51 | JdGordon| | codec shouldnt make a difference |
| 02:02:52 | kugel | really? |
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| 02:03:35 | JdGordon| | seems so |
| 02:03:49 | JdGordon| | I'm guessing an init isnt done correclty somewhere |
| 02:03:56 | JdGordon| | ill investigate tonight properly |
| 02:04:11 | JdGordon| | funny how noone picked it up during testing though :p |
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| 02:04:56 | dreamlayers | JdGordon|: I still can't reproduce it. Either it's extremely rare or I lack some necessary condition. |
| 02:05:07 | JdGordon| | which target? |
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| 02:06:00 | dreamlayers | 5G 30GB iPod. I also tried the 5G sim, the e200 sim, the V2 Recorder sim, and V2 Recorder. |
| 02:07:40 | JdGordon| | it really doesnt sound liekly... but.. which theme? |
| 02:07:55 | dreamlayers | Default themes on all. |
| 02:08:18 | dreamlayers | Sorry, I mean Cabbie v2, not the builtin. |
| 02:08:32 | JdGordon| | how are you starting playback? from the file browser choose the first track with shuffle off |
| 02:08:37 | JdGordon| | cabbiev2==default |
| 02:08:44 | JdGordon| | hardcoded is the real default |
| 02:11:08 | dreamlayers | Yeah, that's what I'm doing. I just tried with rockbox_default (hardcoded) theme, and the progress bar still works. |
| 02:13:27 | JdGordon| | maybe it really is a non issue then and the bandaid fix in the task is good enough |
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| 04:23:50 | Unhelpful | FS #10104 updates the manual for FS #9992. Pixelma has had good results on target with broken PF keys, I'm going to try to sim-test the other supported targets, and then commit the two. Should they go in as one change, so that the manual changes at the same time as the behavior? |
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| 04:27:19 | JdGordon_ | it doesnt really matter |
| 04:33:57 | Unhelpful | the manual update doesn't properly cover M3... i can't seem to find any way to get the remote buttons that it uses into the manual. |
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| 04:42:23 | JdGordon_ | the M3 doesnt have a screen... do pf would be pretty useless... no? |
| 04:43:07 | Llorean | Doesn't the remote have a screen? |
| 04:43:26 | Llorean | Unhelpful: IIUC the whole M3 manual is problematic mostly because of that. |
| 04:43:53 | Unhelpful | Llorean: *only* the remote has a screen. i couldn't find any other reference to remote buttons in the manual... |
| 04:44:39 | Unhelpful | the sim also has usability problems due to that - the M3 remote buttons aren't mapped in the sim, and PLA maps almost all actions to them :/ |
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| 05:04:27 | cornwall | Hello, Llorean, thanks for your help yesterday |
| 05:04:49 | cornwall | You said that multiple CDs were a different case entirely. Should Rockbox sort by CD automatically? |
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| 05:07:07 | AlHaz | Evening. Is #define BATTERY_CAPACITY_MIN the only place i need to touch to change the list of battery capacities listed in the ui? Yes I know it's only used to predict runtime. |
| 05:07:25 | AlHaz | It just irks me that the smallest mAh i can select on a gigabeat F is larger than the largest battery that fits |
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| 05:11:14 | dreamlayers | AlHaz: yes, just change BATTERY_CAPACITY_MIN |
| 05:11:39 | AlHaz | OK, thanks. I'll submit a patch. |
| 05:12:54 | saratoga | AlHaz: the correct size is 830mah? |
| 05:14:48 | AlHaz | saratoga: I think the stock battery is 700mah but it doesn't actually say on it what it is |
| 05:15:00 | saratoga | the wiki says 830mah |
| 05:15:05 | AlHaz | ah, that could be it then |
| 05:15:28 | saratoga | i'll just commit it now |
| 05:15:33 | AlHaz | cameron sino's replacement is 1000mAh and of course the 4g ipod battery is even bigger |
| 05:15:35 | AlHaz | ok |
| 05:16:13 | dreamlayers | JdGordon_: How's this: audio_play_start() ->Q_AUDIO_TRACK_CHANGED -> audio_finalise_track_change() -> PLAYBACK_EVENT_TRACK_CHANGE. This chain of events doesn't seem to depend on metadata being available, and so the event might happen too soon. |
| 05:16:20 | saratoga | AlHaz: does run time estimation work correctly right now? |
| 05:16:57 | JdGordon_ | dreamlayers: which is that for? |
| 05:16:58 | AlHaz | saratoga: Dunno actually. I only ran batterybench on one of them, and shortly afterward the battery started trying to become a sphere, so i replaced it |
| 05:17:15 | AlHaz | so I don't have enough data points to know for sure |
| 05:17:32 | AlHaz | and i don't know if it's expected to work on the gigabeat F |
| 05:17:32 | saratoga | i'll check |
| 05:18:12 | JdGordon_ | dreamlayers: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/audio_skip.pdf is nico's writeup of how track skip works |
| 05:18:25 | AlHaz | I just found it odd that i have the full range of options on the S and not on the F |
| 05:18:25 | dreamlayers | JdGordon_: That's a theoretical way to trigger the progress bar bug. In any case I think the event has to come too soon. |
| 05:18:54 | dreamlayers | JdGordon_: I'm talking about the start of playback. |
| 05:19:18 | saratoga | seems we do about 18 hours for a new battery, which gives us a draw of 46mA |
| 05:19:37 | * | JdGordon_ has been watching tv so is going to take a sec to get brain into gear :p |
| 05:19:40 | wangxiang | can anyone give some suggestion to my code? thanks |
| 05:19:45 | wangxiang | http://pastebin.com/m2a0b8498 |
| 05:20:16 | AlHaz | saratoga: makes sense to me. The one i ran batterybench on got about 16 and a half hours out of the stock battery, which was obviously kinda old |
| 05:20:26 | JdGordon_ | wangxiang: which task was this for? the fake codec? |
| 05:21:31 | AlHaz | While I'm here, anyone interested in having copies of the v1.1 v1.2 and v1.3 gigabeat S OF? |
| 05:22:27 | dreamlayers | wangxiang: I think pcm_get_more is called from an interrupt service routine, and so it should not call rb->read. |
| 05:23:12 | JdGordon_ | dreamlayers: you are correct... definetly being called too early there |
| 05:23:15 | wangxiang | no, play a sound, i wrote it yesterday |
| 05:23:30 | saratoga | anyone remember where the current constant is defined? |
| 05:25:14 | dreamlayers | saratoga: BATTERY_CAPACITY_MIN is in config-*.h for the target |
| 05:25:17 | wangxiang | can you give me some suggestion to improve? |
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| 05:28:33 | saratoga | dreamlayers: I mean the current [in mA] not the capacity [in mah] |
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| 05:33:06 | dreamlayers | wangxiang: The simplest solution is to read data into the buffer first and then play it. |
| 05:33:10 | saratoga | oh we don't actually define it for the gigabeat |
| 05:33:18 | saratoga | probably why i couldn't find it . . . |
| 05:35:23 | * | dreamlayers didn't realize the estimated runtime was actually based on a caluclation of how much current is being used. |
| 05:35:38 | saratoga | yeah thats why it doesn't work very well |
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| 05:35:52 | AlHaz | heh |
| 05:36:02 | AlHaz | The battery life on the F is actually pretty good |
| 05:36:09 | saratoga | theres no recording on the F right? |
| 05:36:26 | AlHaz | there's theoretical recording through the docking port |
| 05:36:30 | AlHaz | i don't think anyone has done it |
| 05:37:24 | wangxiang | yes, i wonder if the buffer is not big enough |
| 05:37:48 | wangxiang | as you know, memory is limited |
| 05:39:02 | wangxiang | for rockbox |
| 05:40:34 | wangxiang | my first code is to read data to a large buffer and play it |
| 05:42:25 | wangxiang | i tried to improve it using the plugin_api, though the improved code has some problems |
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| 05:55:39 | saratoga | AlHaz: be sure to let me know if I broke anything |
| 05:56:02 | AlHaz | saratoga: OK. I guess i'll re-up my svn and install new on my F40 |
| 05:56:45 | JdGordon_ | wangxiang: was that for the fake codec task? |
| 05:58:38 | AlHaz | Thanks |
| 05:59:32 | JdGordon_ | dreamlayers: sorry, was on the phone... any ideas how to fix the problem? |
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| 06:00:07 | wangxiang | no, for gsoc task |
| 06:00:33 | JdGordon_ | yeah, no sorry, I thought you had a different gsoc task... |
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| 06:05:32 | dreamlayers | JdGordon_: How about sending Q_AUDIO_TRACK_CHANGED in audio_finish_load_track, if start_play is true? |
| 06:06:26 | wangxiang | fine, i just want to improve the code |
| 06:08:21 | JdGordon_ | dreamlayers: that will send off the event twice on the firts track then? |
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| 06:13:52 | AlHaz | Doh? now 830mah is the only option |
| 06:14:52 | AlHaz | 1000mAh and 1200mAh batteries are available |
| 06:15:13 | dreamlayers | JdGordon_: audio_finish_load_track is only called when the ID3 handle is loaded, so start_play_g should only be true there once. Oh, and I meant move the queue_post, not copy it. |
| 06:16:53 | AlHaz | saratoga: BATTERY_CAPACITY_MAX should probably be 1200mAh |
| 06:18:53 | AlHaz | on most targets, the arbitrary limit seems to be 2500mAh. Which obviously won't generally fit in these, but i suppose someone could go nuts and shove a 2200mAh h120 battery and a 20gb drive into an F40. |
| 06:22:00 | dreamlayers | wangxiang: You can read data into the buffer in your main code and have pcm_get_more just submit data from the buffer. That way you could minimize memory use. I'm not sure if you have to minimize memory use in your qualification task; for that you need to ask someone else. |
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| 06:23:44 | wangxiang | ok thanks dreamlyaer |
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| 06:40:27 | dreamlayers | JdGordon_: Actually, the "TODO: Superfluos buffering call?" code in audio_load_track should finish loading the first track's metadata. |
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| 07:02:30 | dreamlayers | JdGordon_: I was wondering why I was getting totally blank information for the current track for a bit while skipping back at one place. That's because of the FIXME in audio_check_new_track, which overwrote the ID3 data with zeros. |
| 07:03:27 | JdGordon_ | thats probably expected... I still dont understand why its being writen back at all |
| 07:04:08 | dreamlayers | JdGordon_: I don't know if those "unbuffer callbacks" exist still. |
| 07:04:57 | JdGordon_ | I would guess they are still... but I cant see any reason to ever update the id3 info on the buffer |
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| 07:06:08 | JdGordon_ | hmm.. maybe not |
| 07:10:01 | dreamlayers | JdGordon_: Check out track_unbuffer_callback in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/playback.c?r1=16520&r2=16546 |
| 07:10:26 | JdGordon_ | just looking at that :) |
| 07:14:02 | dreamlayers | JdGordon_: tagtree.c used the unbuffer event, and now it's PLAYBACK_EVENT_TRACK_FINISH. That's sent in audio_check_new_track just before thistrack_id3 is cleared. |
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| 07:16:00 | dreamlayers | JdGordon_: That's for tagtree runtimedb gathering, eg. incrementing the playcount. Everything should work, and the FIXME block can be removed. |
| 07:16:56 | JdGordon_ | ok, good |
| 07:16:59 | JdGordon_ | wanna do it? |
| 07:17:16 | dreamlayers | ok |
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| 07:21:03 | JdGordon_ | anyway... even if the track_changed event gets shot too early, the wps should still update correctly *unless* the thistrack_id3 pointer is changed between the audio_current_Track() calls (which I dont tihnk it should) |
| 07:21:20 | JdGordon_ | which leads me to think it does get flipped before the first track starts |
| 07:21:53 | JdGordon_ | it *shouldnt* switch after the TRACK_CHANGED event is fired though untill the next track |
| 07:22:10 | JdGordon_ | (shouldnt here meaning what I tihnk... not what the code does) |
| 07:23:06 | * | JdGordon_ wants to print off playback.c so he can see the whole thing without scrolling up and down the whole time |
| 07:23:23 | dreamlayers | When id3 data is not available, temp_id3 would be returned. |
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| 07:26:02 | JdGordon_ | yes, but what happens is the moment the wps loads it calls audio_current_track() can gets temp_id3 (which is fine.. it shows the path with no tags)... then the TRACK_CHANGED event happens and thistrack_id3 gets (or shold get) returned |
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| 07:27:53 | dreamlayers | A problem could only occur if the event arrived early, before id3 data was available. |
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| 07:33:24 | * | JdGordon_ throws sharp pointy objects at the playback<->playlist interactions |
| 07:35:46 | dreamlayers | playback<->buffering interaction seems even more complex |
| 07:36:23 | JdGordon_ | yeah, but its cleaner at least |
| 07:36:48 | JdGordon_ | that interaction actually had some thought out desin done before coding |
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| 07:39:00 | JdGordon_ | I like this /* Officially playing*/ comment in audio_play_start... at this point we are not really near playing yet |
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| 07:40:08 | JdGordon_ | should Q_AUDIO_TRACK_CHANGED even be in audio_play_start()? (I think this is where you were 30min ago... I'm playing catch up) |
| 07:40:57 | dreamlayers | Right, I was saying that it should be moved later, to where you know for sure that id3 data for the first track is available. |
| 07:42:35 | JdGordon_ | i.e in the if(start_play) block around line 1751? |
| 07:44:34 | JdGordon_ | apparently no |
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| 07:46:43 | dreamlayers | It seems like that should work. On the first track, I expect track_widx == track_ridx, and the bufgetid3 above would ensure that the id3 data is available if possible. |
| 07:51:05 | JdGordon_ | hmm... no, even with it there (and removed from audio_play_start(), the event is getting fired off correctly but wps still doesnt get updated |
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| 07:51:43 | JdGordon_ | I think we need to add a yield in that supposedly superfluous buffering call.. |
| 07:51:52 | JdGordon_ | or more correctly, a blocking buffer call |
| 07:52:42 | JdGordon_ | or not :< |
| 07:53:01 | dreamlayers | It seems like bufgetid3 willl wait until data is available. |
| 07:53:39 | dreamlayers | It calls bufgetdata, and bufgetdata waits. |
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| 07:54:51 | dreamlayers | I need to go to sleep. I will continue working on this tomorrow. |
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| 07:55:38 | JdGordon_ | but.. but... |
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| 08:22:07 | pixelma | Unhelpful: there is no M3 manual at all yet |
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| 08:27:41 | pixelma | and the remotes also aren't covered in the manual - last DevCon we dedided on how it could look, I started but then couldn't find a good way how to "dynamically" give a button table a 3rd column (lacking a bit higher level LaTeX knowledge here) |
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| 08:37:59 | pixelma | Unhelpful: and yes, I also prefer *_PAD when dealing with keymaps and if possible avoid using the playername directly in an \opt. I prefer using a specific feature there because that could be nice if a future target has the same, so I would only use it for more or less unique things |
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| 08:41:28 | pixelma | I guess the same rule applies to the rest of the code, not only the manual |
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| 08:52:11 | m4ndril | hi |
| 08:52:39 | m4ndril | im creating a theme for the sansa.. and need to know something in the manual is not well documented |
| 08:53:18 | m4ndril | i have something like this on wps: %xl|V|vol.bmp|0|0|9| where vol.bmp is my composed image of all the volumes level |
| 08:53:47 | JdGordon_ | and the order is showing wrong? |
| 08:53:53 | m4ndril | no... |
| 08:53:57 | m4ndril | the position! |
| 08:54:07 | JdGordon_ | where were you expecting it? |
| 08:54:13 | m4ndril | according to the manual |
| 08:54:26 | m4ndril | the first 2 have to be x and y |
| 08:54:34 | m4ndril | and i use 0,0 |
| 08:54:36 | pixelma | do you have the %xd in viewport? |
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| 08:54:49 | m4ndril | and its showing on the center |
| 08:54:51 | m4ndril | xD |
| 08:54:54 | JdGordon_ | yes, they are relative to the viewport the image is drawn in |
| 08:55:02 | pixelma | and could you please put one thought on one line, not three? |
| 08:55:02 | m4ndril | hmm |
| 08:55:24 | m4ndril | sorry im used to IM on MSN =( |
| 08:55:43 | m4ndril | and where can i find the viewport specifications ? |
| 08:56:16 | JdGordon_ | pixelma: just looking at the manual now.. yeah, can you add a not to "b.13. images" saying the coordinates are relative to the viewport the image is displayed in? |
| 08:56:16 | m4ndril | im using the BlacknBlueGlass theme as a base... |
| 08:56:45 | JdGordon_ | viewports arent in the manual?! |
| 08:56:57 | pixelma | just wanted to check - it is explained on CustomWPS |
| 08:57:14 | m4ndril | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Viewports |
| 08:57:26 | m4ndril | im reading there :) |
| 08:57:40 | JdGordon_ | pixelma: yeah, but didnt we want to either have all the info in the wiki or manual? not both? |
| 08:58:20 | JdGordon_ | reverse the order there... IIRC we wanted to move static info out of the wiki and into the manual? |
| 08:58:29 | pixelma | yes, I'll try to put it in the manual, just wanted to tell wheere one could find the info right now |
| 08:59:29 | m4ndril | :D |
| 08:59:40 | m4ndril | i will share my theme when its done |
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| 09:00:48 | m4ndril | i have lots of viewports in my wps file |
| 09:01:06 | m4ndril | how do i know wich one corresponds to the volume image ? =( |
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| 09:01:58 | pixelma | JdGordon_: it was generaly agreed on putting static info in the manual. If I remember correctly the CustomWPS wiki page was deemed useful though as it is easier to change if WPS syntax changes. I'm not saying it can't be in both |
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| 09:03:56 | m4ndril | i found it trying XDDDDd |
| 09:03:57 | m4ndril | lol |
| 09:04:10 | pixelma | m4ndril: last note under the "images" headline on CustomWPS - it is important where the corrseponding %xd is |
| 09:05:00 | m4ndril | ty |
| 09:06:26 | m4ndril | the theme is getting very cool :D |
| 09:06:37 | m4ndril | i will let you know when is done |
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| 09:43:36 | m4ndril | need some help here with the view port on the wps configs |
| 09:44:03 | m4ndril | im fed up of the volume thing... i cant make it show the right piece of image |
| 09:45:49 | PaulJam | what exactly is the problem? could you post the WPS code somewhere (pastebin or something like that) |
| 09:46:24 | m4ndril | sure |
| 09:46:27 | m4ndril | i will... |
| 09:47:23 | m4ndril | http://pastebin.com/m3e3f2b03 |
| 09:48:38 | m4ndril | look the problem is with vol.bmp i have a image with multiple volume levels.. i can upload to imageshack if you want... and the thing is cant find were to specify the with of the part of the image that it has to show and the config thing for the amount of volume |
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| 09:50:15 | m4ndril | this is my vol but in bmp... http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7782/vol.png |
| 09:52:30 | m4ndril | PaulJam: are you there ? |
| 09:52:44 | PaulJam | according to the WPS code the image should consist of 9 "subimages", so it is split into 9 parts and not into 5. |
| 09:52:57 | m4ndril | i tryed 5 |
| 09:53:03 | m4ndril | and it throughs error |
| 09:53:17 | m4ndril | invalid token |
| 09:53:21 | m4ndril | or something like that |
| 09:53:35 | m4ndril | i want to know were to specify the height of the split !!! |
| 09:53:39 | PaulJam | you need to modyfy the %pv line also, because it tries to load more than 5 images |
| 09:53:40 | m4ndril | that should be the key |
| 09:54:35 | m4ndril | ohh i see |
| 09:54:49 | PaulJam | so if the image has only 5 subimages, then you can only use %xdVa to %xdVe and not %xdVd and up) |
| 09:55:11 | m4ndril | f xD |
| 09:55:18 | PaulJam | yes |
| 09:55:18 | m4ndril | i delete the others... |
| 09:55:26 | m4ndril | as you said |
| 09:55:35 | m4ndril | were is the specification |
| 09:55:38 | m4ndril | for the height |
| 09:55:40 | m4ndril | of the splits |
| 09:55:49 | m4ndril | do you know that ? |
| 09:56:17 | PaulJam | well it is calculated from the height of the bmp and the number of images in the bmp |
| 09:56:36 | GodEater | m4ndril, *please* try to keep to one line of text at a time |
| 09:57:00 | m4ndril | oh |
| 09:57:02 | m4ndril | i see |
| 09:57:06 | m4ndril | :) |
| 09:57:11 | GodEater | not funny |
| 09:57:27 | m4ndril | and how it maps the amount of volume to each image ? |
| 09:57:44 | m4ndril | GodEater: sorry dudde |
| 09:59:25 | PaulJam | here is the behaviour if the %pv tag explained: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Playlist_Song_Info |
| 09:59:56 | m4ndril | thank you paul :) |
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| 10:00:50 | PaulJam | between mute and 0dB the images should be equally disributed. |
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| 10:03:33 | m4ndril | its now working :D |
| 10:04:08 | m4ndril | the only thing is not.. is the volume response, for a lower volume.. it changes for a high and mid.. but not for low |
| 10:05:52 | m4ndril | its working fine now |
| 10:05:58 | m4ndril | i solve the problem |
| 10:06:02 | m4ndril | thank you so much |
| 10:06:06 | m4ndril | =) |
| 10:06:42 | PaulJam | you're welcome |
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| 10:17:44 | MT | linuxstb : quick note, I've finished the task - with seeking support. ;) |
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| 10:19:20 | MT | linuxstb : I've added a note to the app with the link. it deals with files with the extension .mtf |
| 10:19:45 | MT | s/note/comment |
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| 10:31:26 | linuxstb | MT: Your patch doesn't include mtf.c |
| 10:31:55 | linuxstb | Also, have you tested it on a real device? That can sometimes show bugs not visible in the sim. |
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| 10:34:57 | MT | linuxstb : what could be the reason for it not to contain mtf.c ? I used svn diff -u -r /rockbox/apps > patch |
| 10:35:16 | B4gder | didn't svn add the new file? |
| 10:36:02 | MT | no it's not in the patch.. I didn't notice that before linuxstb pointed. |
| 10:36:26 | B4gder | right, but svn diff only includes files it knows about, so if you didn't svn add it... |
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| 10:46:14 | MT | linuxstb : patch fixed, could you check again please ? |
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| 11:05:36 | linuxstb | MT: Yes, the patch seems complete now. |
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| 13:33:52 | BigBambi | jaykay: yo |
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| 13:36:43 | jaykay | BigBambi: may i refuse to split fs#9880? the chance that both parts get committed is smaller than the "big" one gets committed |
| 13:36:58 | jaykay | i can pastebin you a not-working patch of the non-whitespace changes |
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| 13:37:15 | jaykay | i'll show you what i changed, but as i said it doesnt work |
| 13:37:23 | jaykay | *it'll |
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| 13:39:58 | BigBambi | jaykay: I won't commit it as is, it is more work |
| 13:40:19 | BigBambi | jaykay: Smaller ones are much more likely to get committed as they are much easier to review |
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| 13:42:29 | BigBambi | jaykay: If you split out the actual content changes I'll have a look at it now. How's that for a promise! |
| 13:43:47 | jaykay | what does "Stripping trailing CRs from patch" mean? |
| 13:44:05 | B4gder | that it stripped trailing CRs from the patch! |
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| 13:44:32 | B4gder | CR == carriage return |
| 13:44:48 | BigBambi | jaykay: carriage return - look up dos vs windows line endings |
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| 13:45:17 | BigBambi | er, I mean unix vs windows of course :) |
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| 13:46:21 | jaykay | is there any easy way to split a patch? i copied some parts out of it and every single hunk fails |
| 13:47:08 | jaykay | wait |
| 13:47:26 | jaykay | it works! wow... |
| 13:49:30 | jaykay | only the "stripping trailing..." remains... i don't understand it, some hunks look exactly like the ones from the original patch, and the original patch doesn't give this message |
| 13:49:49 | BigBambi | What editor are you using? |
| 13:50:06 | BigBambi | As I say - windows vs unix line endings |
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| 13:50:32 | jaykay | notepad++ |
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| 13:51:33 | BigBambi | jaykay: And does it have an option somewhere for lin endings? |
| 13:52:08 | jaykay | it does have a option "convert to unix |
| 13:52:11 | jaykay | that worked |
| 13:52:38 | BigBambi | sounds good to me - you want unix line endings |
| 13:52:43 | jaykay | the last one: what does "hunk 2 succeded with fuzz 2" mean? |
| 13:53:16 | BigBambi | That the bit to be patched wasn't found exactly where the poatch said it would, but it was found and patched succesfully anyway |
| 13:57:37 | jaykay | BigBambi: http://pastebin.com/m2a67b842 |
| 13:57:50 | jaykay | i'll post it in the tracker when the second patch is ready |
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| 14:01:08 | BigBambi | jaykay: most of it looks fine - couple of questions though :) |
| 14:01:11 | xwang | hi markun i'm wangxiang. |
| 14:01:39 | markun | xwang: hi :) |
| 14:01:53 | markun | you will have your interview later today, right? |
| 14:02:03 | xwang | yes, UTC 15:00 |
| 14:02:28 | xwang | what should i do in the interview? |
| 14:02:36 | xwang | need mic? or speaking? |
| 14:02:41 | gevaerts | no. Just irc |
| 14:02:43 | markun | no, just chatting on IRC |
| 14:03:09 | xwang | just chatting? should i do some coding? |
| 14:03:18 | xwang | or testing? |
| 14:03:42 | BigBambi | line 44 - I think we should hqve q note qbout firewire sqying something like "Firewire is not directly supported in Rockbox. If you connect your \dap{} via firewire, it will automatically reboot to the original firmware." |
| 14:03:50 | BigBambi | xwang: just a few questions |
| 14:04:31 | xwang | hi |
| 14:04:59 | BigBambi | xwang: Hi :) |
| 14:05:15 | BigBambi | xwang: I meant it'll just be a few questions in the interview, not now :) |
| 14:05:31 | xwang | a few technique questions? three hours later? |
| 14:05:37 | BigBambi | the line 44 biut above was @ jaykay incidently |
| 14:06:19 | BigBambi | jaykay: also, line 137 I'd have a comma after the first damage |
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| 14:07:30 | BigBambi | jaykay: last one - around line 55-59, you have changed the position of a } - any reason? |
| 14:08:02 | jaykay | BigBambi: line 44 - but "before starting is the wrong place for that... |
| 14:08:08 | jaykay | line 137: i'll add that |
| 14:08:18 | gevaerts | xwang: we may ask some technical questions, but we're not planning on an exam or something like that :) No need to prepare lots of stuff |
| 14:09:03 | BigBambi | jaykay: Can you install Rockbox via firewire? |
| 14:09:49 | jaykay | line 55: before the warning was a note, so the warning is in the note - no need for that |
| 14:09:56 | BigBambi | I imqgine so qs don't the eqrly ipods only hqve firewire? |
| 14:10:40 | jaykay | BigBambi: i don't know... but it should be possible because its only copying files |
| 14:10:45 | xwang | ok thanks |
| 14:11:15 | BigBambi | jaykay: Is it? |
| 14:11:23 | BigBambi | jaykay: ipodpatcher requires raw disk access |
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| 14:15:30 | jaykay | ok a question to all here... is it possible to use ipodpatcher with firewire? |
| 14:16:12 | BigBambi | jaykay: I guess it must be, as you can install on early ipods and afaik early ipods only have firewire |
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| 14:30:12 | linuxstb | jaykay: Why bother changing "the buttons on the \dap{}" with "the \daps{} buttons" ? And why remove "If all has gone well, " in the ipod install chapter? |
| 14:30:49 | jaykay | i thought the fist one looks niver |
| 14:31:33 | jaykay | and the "if all has gone well" sound like "there is a chance of 20% that it worked. if it worked, continue, if not, please try again" |
| 14:31:50 | jaykay | but thats just my opinion... |
| 14:31:54 | BigBambi | not really, it is just an expression |
| 14:32:09 | linuxstb | It's meant to mean "If you have done what you've been told" |
| 14:32:51 | jaykay | well, "you should see some..." means the same |
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| 14:34:21 | * | linuxstb thinks he wrote that original text, so is biased |
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| 14:35:06 | BigBambi | I'm not particularly bothered, but I don't see the point in changing things for the sake of it |
| 14:35:48 | linuxstb | That's my feeling too - these changes don't seem to clarify anything that needs clarifying. |
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| 14:37:09 | jaykay | then leave that out... i just thought the "if all has gone well" means that the chance of success is pretty small |
| 14:37:25 | gevaerts | why would it mean that? |
| 14:37:29 | BigBambi | jaykay: No, it means the opposite |
| 14:37:36 | BigBambi | jaykay: It means it should go well |
| 14:37:57 | BigBambi | but there is the chance that someone could cock it up, i.e. it isn't foolproof |
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| 15:03:01 | funman | hello |
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| 15:19:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hey funman! |
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| 15:45:22 | pixelma | how important is it that bmp files don't have the executable flag set? |
| 15:45:52 | pixelma | just wondering if it's worth an own commit |
| 15:47:03 | linuxstb | pixelma: I don't think it's important, but it's nice to be tidy.... |
| 15:47:38 | pixelma | alright, maybe I'll find some more |
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| 15:51:35 | archivator | Almost all options have context menus, right? How hard would it be to steal a short description of the setting from the manual and add it in that context menu (under "View help" perhaps)? That should lower the learning curve significantly.. |
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| 15:55:39 | wangxiang | Hi Frank It will be 1 hour for the interview? |
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| 15:59:33 | markun | wangxiang: yes |
| 15:59:51 | markun | eh, wait, I thought you asked if it will be in 1 hour :) |
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| 16:00:09 | * | markun better lets gevaerts answer |
| 16:00:46 | wangxiang | i'll wait on the IRC |
| 16:00:48 | gevaerts | both actually :) It will be in about an hour, and it usually takes between half an hour and an hour |
| 16:06:47 | pyro_maniac | excuse my inquisitiveness but what is this interview for? |
| 16:07:11 | BigBambi | GSOC |
| 16:07:23 | Lss | http://www.mapleshaderecords.com/audioproducts/isobasecradle.php < can you say ridiculous? |
| 16:07:34 | Lss | oops wrong channel |
| 16:07:53 | pixelma | hmm, do property changes of bmp files don't trigger a rebuild? |
| 16:08:14 | pixelma | s/don't/not |
| 16:09:17 | pixelma | fine by me though :) |
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| 16:23:08 | pyro_maniac | its a bit offtopic but is there a list, which projects are accepted and maybe will start on GSOC? |
| 16:24:01 | linuxstb | pyro_maniac: Projects haven't been accepted yet - we don't even know how many students google will give us. |
| 16:24:40 | pyro_maniac | linuxstb: thanks |
| 16:24:42 | linuxstb | We need to rank the proposals, and then google tell us how many (starting from the top) we get. |
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| 16:27:43 | Hittudiv | i guess it will be in the ratio 1:3 ...around 3000 students applied and 1000 will be accepted |
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| 17:43:55 | celsin | heyo |
| 17:44:51 | celsin | got one questions to your ipod software |
| 17:45:28 | advcomp2019 | ask away.. someone will help |
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| 17:45:51 | celsin | there isn't any selection for the ipod 6th generation |
| 17:46:00 | BigBambi | ipod and many others! |
| 17:46:02 | celsin | so it means that it isnt compatible to the new ipods? |
| 17:46:20 | advcomp2019 | you are right there |
| 17:46:33 | celsin | sucks |
| 17:46:36 | celsin | :D |
| 17:46:36 | BigBambi | yes, as stated on www.rockbox.org |
| 17:47:09 | dionoea | does www.rockbox.org really state that 'it sucks' ? |
| 17:47:12 | celsin | will there be any update or coming version? |
| 17:47:31 | linuxstb | celsin: We would welcome a volunteer to make it work though - no-one has done that so far... |
| 17:47:39 | BigBambi | celsin: Sure, if interested owners work on it |
| 17:47:52 | BigBambi | celsin: See www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
| 17:48:38 | celsin | well im not really into those software things |
| 17:49:22 | BigBambi | celsin: And that's why there is no port - nobody that wants it is willing to do it |
| 17:49:40 | celsin | would do so if i would know how to :p |
| 17:49:51 | BigBambi | or even try in fact - given the encrypted firmware etc., ... |
| 17:50:18 | celsin | alright, thanks anyways |
| 17:50:26 | BigBambi | celsin: sure - I'm just saying that whilst nobody actually does the work and everyone just says it'd be nice, nothing will happen |
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| 17:51:21 | * | linuxstb thinks "would do so if i would know how to :p" sums up most peoples' opinions about porting to the new ipods... |
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| 18:04:03 | * | PSPdemon agrees with linuxstb |
| 18:04:09 | PSPdemon | but it just seems thats with anything :/ |
| 18:04:56 | PSPdemon | psp scene suffers from too many new people complaining about how emulation isnt perfect |
| 18:04:57 | PSPdemon | -_- |
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| 18:10:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | PSPdemon: Putting it mildly, there's no satisfying anyone. |
| 18:10:18 | PSPdemon | well im content! :D |
| 18:10:36 | PSPdemon | but then again ive been in the scene since the start....so i remember when things like N64 emulation were a dream ;) |
| 18:11:05 | * | evilnick_7 asks PSPdemon to step into #rockbox-community as he has a coupla questions on the PSP scene |
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| 18:11:16 | PSPdemon | ...lol... |
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| 18:15:02 | Hittudiv | /media/study/backup/rockbox-20598/tools/version.sh: 82: svnversion: not found this message comes whenever i try to compile from source.. is it some sort of error? |
| 18:15:11 | Hittudiv | what is svn version? |
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| 18:19:32 | linuxstb | Hittudiv: It's a tool that comes with "svn". |
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| 18:21:28 | rasher | Wait, does compile from tarball no longer work because of version.sh? |
| 18:21:43 | rasher | (and assuming you don't have subversion installed) |
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| 18:24:55 | PaulJam | maybe it works when you create a VERSION file containing the string that should be shown at boot in the docs folder as a workaround? |
| 18:25:31 | rasher | I'd say the tarball should include that file |
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| 18:31:27 | Hittudiv | yes, thanks, its working |
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| 18:32:13 | Hittudiv | can i know what is the number (2 in this case) in jpeg,viewers/jpeg,2 in the file viewers.config? |
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| 18:32:47 | PaulJam | i think it is the icon that should be displayed for this filetype |
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| 18:33:48 | Hittudiv | ooh k thanks..so it can be repeated for any number of viewers right? |
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| 18:46:06 | m4ndril | hi |
| 18:46:53 | m4ndril | im using the sansa simulator to test my theme... but im on a notebook , i dont have the numeric pad ... how can i activate the hold on ??? |
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| 18:47:16 | BryanJacobs | does your notebook have a set of blue numbers overlayed on the letter keys near the right? |
| 18:47:57 | PaulJam | hold is "h" for the main unit and "j" for the remote. |
| 18:48:15 | m4ndril | it has |
| 18:48:24 | m4ndril | but not all numbers |
| 18:48:43 | BryanJacobs | then you may use the 'h' key as PaulJam just said or you may hold the blue Fn button to use the fake numeric keypad |
| 18:49:02 | BryanJacobs | it's probably fn+7 for a numpad 7, fn+i for a numpad 5, etc etc |
| 18:49:23 | m4ndril | but is not with the Fn the pad |
| 18:49:39 | m4ndril | 'h' key in my notebook is just an 'h' |
| 18:49:59 | m4ndril | oh |
| 18:50:01 | m4ndril | its works |
| 18:50:03 | m4ndril | for hold on |
| 18:50:22 | m4ndril | thnks paul |
| 18:50:36 | BryanJacobs | if you don't have a fn button you probably have a 'numlock' somewhere |
| 18:50:46 | BryanJacobs | activating that will switch your keys to working as a numpad |
| 18:50:50 | m4ndril | i have a fn button |
| 18:50:56 | m4ndril | but.. its not for that xD |
| 18:50:59 | m4ndril | and im in linux |
| 18:51:03 | BryanJacobs | aww, sorry |
| 18:51:04 | m4ndril | it doesnt work =( |
| 18:51:24 | BryanJacobs | glad you got it working anyhow :-) |
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| 18:52:02 | BigBambi | m4ndril: Please try to put thoughts all on one line |
| 18:54:05 | m4ndril | yeah im sorry for that |
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| 19:36:45 | webguestington | After complete installation using rb utility on my 5.5g 80gb ipod, the original firmware boots everytime i hard reset. |
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| 19:37:21 | evilnick_7 | Do you have the Hold switch enabled? |
| 19:37:29 | webguestington | no. |
| 19:38:30 | webguestington | is there something else i need to do, like removing the original firmware maybe? |
| 19:38:49 | linuxstb | webguestington: Sounds like the Rockbox bootloader didn't get installed. |
| 19:38:55 | evilnick_7 | How are you hard resetting> |
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| 19:39:21 | webguestington | Menu + Select |
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| 19:40:36 | * | evilnick_7 agrees with linuxstb, unless you get a black screen with white writing then it sounds as if the bootloader wasn't installed. |
| 19:40:43 | webguestington | after resetting, i get the apple logo and then it jumps to the Select Language screen of the O.f. |
| 19:41:07 | advcomp2019 | webguestington, you sure it is not a 6th gen not a 5.5gen |
| 19:41:09 | linuxstb | webguestington: Try installing just the bootloader with Rockbox Utility |
| 19:41:11 | evilnick_7 | Is there a log produced by RBUtil that we could check? |
| 19:42:48 | webguestington | mm, i'll try the bootloader thing. as to the generation, i bought it off ebay, listed as 5.5, i'll be kinda pissed if it's not. |
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| 19:44:56 | webguestington | okay in rbutil the output is as follows: starting bootloader installation, searching for ipods, downloading file bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod, download finished, could not open ipod |
| 19:45:08 | webguestington | i'm betting that last line is part of the problem |
| 19:45:12 | domonoky | webguestington: on which OS did you use rbutil ? |
| 19:45:46 | webguestington | ubuntu |
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| 19:45:54 | domonoky | yes, if it cant open the ipod, it cant install the bootloader. did you run rbutil as root ? |
| 19:45:56 | webguestington | hardy herron |
| 19:46:15 | webguestington | no, how do i do that (stupid question, i know) |
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| 19:47:08 | domonoky | open console terminal, navigate to where you downloaded rbutil and run: sudo ./rbutil |
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| 19:55:52 | webguestington | man... how do i find it? i ran a search in the entire file system for "rockbox" and nothing came up. i know i have it installed, it is in the applications bar. |
| 19:56:38 | webguestington | i suck at linux. i apologize. |
| 19:56:59 | domonoky | if it is somewhere in the path "whereis rbutilqt" .-) |
| 19:57:25 | domonoky | or just download it again to a know location. (like your home dir) |
| 19:57:46 | BryanJacobs | domonoky: if it's in the path, webguestington could just "sudo rbutilqt" |
| 19:58:01 | domonoky | true |
| 19:58:45 | webguestington | sudo: rbutilqt: command not found. |
| 19:58:52 | webguestington | does that mean it's not "in the path" |
| 19:58:56 | BryanJacobs | webguestington: that's right |
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| 19:59:22 | BryanJacobs | you could run "find / -name rbutilqt" and that will find it, but will also take a long time to run |
| 19:59:40 | BryanJacobs | or you could take domonoky's suggestion of just keeping track of where it is this time |
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| 20:00:08 | webguestington | imma do both :) |
| 20:00:14 | BryanJacobs | ok, good luck to you :-) |
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| 20:01:47 | Hittudiv | sudo ./rbutilqt |
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| 20:02:06 | Hittudiv | issue this command in your home directory |
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| 20:03:41 | Hittudiv | rbutilqt is not in /usr/bin...so its not a command..and its a file... so we must use ./rbutilqt |
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| 20:04:08 | kugel | bertrik: how was the clip not included in #if LCD_HEIGHT <= 64? Also, doesn't this make the c200 a big screen? |
| 20:04:09 | BryanJacobs | Hittudiv: only works if rbutilqt is actually in the home directory - webguestington has forgotten where it was saved |
| 20:04:16 | kugel | re: chopper.c change |
| 20:04:40 | Hittudiv | well, he logged in as a guest...if he is still there...we can help him |
| 20:04:46 | kugel | was was it not included in LCD_HEIGHT <= 112, I mean |
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| 20:06:04 | pixelma | kugel: c200 was/is still a "big screen" in chopper terms. Also it was LCD_WIDTH <= 112 before which only applies to the Archos bitmap targets |
| 20:06:24 | bertrik | kugel, to be honest, I don't know, I trusted funman's judgement on this |
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| 20:06:30 | kugel | oh, I didn't read properly :S |
| 20:06:45 | kugel | pixelma: that explains all :) |
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| 20:07:02 | bertrik | chopper is at least playable now on clip |
| 20:07:11 | pixelma | there were some plans for a rewrite and I already made some graphics for it... |
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| 20:09:41 | * | kugel wonders if the dma and pcm changes have any visible effect |
| 20:10:55 | bertrik | yes, the pcm fix causes playback to really stop after the last song |
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| 20:11:30 | bertrik | the dma fix fixes something that usually doesn't go wrong, so it's less visible |
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| 20:22:51 | yash | Hi all, I'm a GSoC applicant, and have been told to login at 19:00 UTC for an interview. |
| 20:22:58 | bertrik | archivator, fft works on e200, but it causes playback to stutter |
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| 20:23:12 | yash | I apologize for the delay since I slept off unknowingly. |
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| 20:23:43 | gevaerts | yash: 19:00 UTC is in 37 minutes :) |
| 20:23:45 | archivator | bertrik: can the e200's CPU be boosted? |
| 20:23:51 | webguestington | so I downloaded ipodpatcher to try and install the bootloader. |
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| 20:24:15 | bertrik | archivator, yes, but even when artifically boosted it still stutters |
| 20:24:28 | BigBambi | yash: You aren't late :) |
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| 20:24:58 | webguestington | i get this−− error reading from disk: Bad device type. No ipods found, aborting. Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode (it is) |
| 20:25:04 | yash | oh oops, but I'm in CST and I thought it's a 6 hr gap between CST and UTC. |
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| 20:25:56 | archivator | bertrik: well, that's troublesome. I'm looking at the fire and plasma code right now and they seem to be keeping a buffer of their own and only blitting it. I'm drawing directly to the screen. Could that be the cause? |
| 20:26:05 | domonoky | webguestington: again, are you running it as root ? |
| 20:26:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:26:19 | archivator | bertrik: Also, try compiling with FFT_SIZE 512 (it's at the top). |
| 20:26:24 | webguestington | haha no. |
| 20:26:41 | webguestington | it's an exe file, can i still do that |
| 20:26:42 | webguestington | ? |
| 20:26:45 | bertrik | archivator, ok I'll try that (the sansa e200 screen is only 176 pixels wide IIRC) |
| 20:26:55 | BigBambi | yash: timeanddate.com |
| 20:27:03 | domonoky | webguestington: and on which OS are you now ? |
| 20:27:10 | webguestington | ubuntu |
| 20:27:21 | domonoky | running a exe in linux ? |
| 20:27:23 | yash | ok. sorry |
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| 20:27:39 | webguestington | i guess it's running on wine. i was confused too. |
| 20:28:05 | webguestington | yeah it is. in wine. |
| 20:28:07 | amiconn | archivator: What target are you testing/developing this on? |
| 20:28:07 | BryanJacobs | webguestington: no wonder it can't find the disk |
| 20:28:11 | domonoky | dont do such thing... there is a also a linux version of ipodpatcher available... |
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| 20:28:41 | archivator | Hmm, I guess I better ask - should I be drawing directly using lcd_drawline/pixel or should I be keeping a buffer of my own and only blitting it? |
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| 20:28:47 | archivator | amiconn: ipodvideo |
| 20:29:10 | amiconn | Hmm, and that doesn't cause playback to stutter? Interesting... |
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| 20:29:24 | amiconn | The e200 has the same CPU as the ipod video, and a smaller lcd... |
| 20:29:29 | webguestington | is it on the rbutility page? |
| 20:30:57 | webguestington | i realize i'm coming off as incredibly stupid, and i appreciate you guys an awful lot |
| 20:31:26 | archivator | webguestington: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility#Download |
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| 20:31:44 | amiconn | archivator: (unrelated to performance) You can leave out the button mappings for RECORDER_PAD and ONDIO_PAD. Recorders and Ondios are hwcodec targets - this plugin can't be made to work on them |
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| 20:32:19 | archivator | amiconn: will do. |
| 20:32:42 | amiconn | Oh, I see floating point usage... :\ |
| 20:33:22 | archivator | amiconn: it should only be in constants.. |
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| 20:34:25 | webguestington | okay, weird problem. when i try to open the file FOR LINUX, it tries to open in Wine. How is it supposed to run? Is it another program I could choose or what |
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| 20:36:38 | amiconn | What about flog()? |
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| 20:37:30 | archivator | Fixed-point natural log :) |
| 20:38:12 | Llorean | webguestington: What's the filename of the file WINE is opening? |
| 20:38:17 | archivator | amiconn: See plugins/lib/fixedpoint.[ch] |
| 20:38:31 | webguestington | rbutilqt-v1.2-64bit |
| 20:38:57 | amiconn | Ah, hmm. Btw, if you need plain horizontal or vertical lines, you should use rb->lcd_hline() resp. rb->lcd_vline() |
| 20:39:16 | amiconn | rb->lcd_drawline() does this optimisation internally, but you save a parameter |
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| 20:39:51 | archivator | amiconn: Ah! That's how I can get rid of the "drawline called for vertical line, optimizing" stuff the sim spits out! |
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| 20:40:09 | amiconn | Yes, that's the sim trying to give you that hint... |
| 20:40:35 | bluebrother | webguestington: do you have a terminal window open? |
| 20:40:51 | webguestington | i do now :) |
| 20:41:08 | bluebrother | have you succeeded in downloading the linux binary in the meanwhile? |
| 20:41:18 | archivator | amiconn: Well, playback now stutters on my ipod as well.. I guess I forgot to test it on target last night.. |
| 20:41:25 | webguestington | of rockbox utility? yes. |
| 20:42:01 | bluebrother | ok, and executing it worked too? |
| 20:42:19 | webguestington | no, it tries to open in wine. what other program should i use? |
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| 20:42:36 | amiconn | archivator: Btw, drawing directly to the framebuffer definitely isn't the problem. It means even less copying that rendering to an intermediate buffer |
| 20:42:42 | Llorean | webguestington: It is a program, you shouldn't be using some other program to run it. |
| 20:43:12 | bluebrother | have you extracted the tar.bz2? |
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| 20:43:35 | archivator | amiconn: I think I see where the problem is, compiling new build.. |
| 20:43:37 | amiconn | Since you are using text output as well, you'll probably want buffered greylib mode, as unbuffered mode doesn't support text or any kind of fancy drawing function |
| 20:43:49 | webguestington | yes. to the desktop. how can i run it terminal? sudo run -filename? |
| 20:43:50 | rasher | webguestington: bunzip2 rbutilqt-v1.2-64bit.bz2 |
| 20:43:53 | amiconn | And then handling will be very similar to the colour case |
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| 20:44:01 | rasher | bluebrother: I wanted to ask you that - why did you tar a single file? |
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| 20:45:01 | bluebrother | rasher: two reasons: (1) out of habit :), (2) to have something hash-check the download |
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| 20:45:25 | BryanJacobs | webguestington: after extraction, "cd Desktop; sudo ./rbutilqt" |
| 20:45:25 | rasher | bzip2 has some sort of integrity check |
| 20:45:26 | bluebrother | webguestington: so you have the folder rbutil-v1.2 on the desktop? |
| 20:45:53 | bluebrother | ah, you meant why I tarred it in addition to bz2-ing? |
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| 20:46:25 | bluebrother | webguestington: or have you moved the binary from that folder to the desktop? |
| 20:46:37 | webguestington | BryanJacobs: output looks like this in terminal−− sudo: ./rbutilqt: command not found |
| 20:47:02 | webguestington | no i redownloaded it directly to the desktop |
| 20:47:04 | rasher | webguestington: sudo ./rbutilqt-v1.2-64bit |
| 20:47:35 | domonoky | sudo ./rbut<TAB> is usefull :-) |
| 20:47:37 | webguestington | command not found. what am i doing wrong?? |
| 20:47:55 | bluebrother | well, it's hard to say as we don't see your machine |
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| 20:48:25 | bluebrother | can you pastebin the output of "ls" in that folder? |
| 20:48:31 | bluebrother | "ls -l" even |
| 20:49:13 | webguestington | -r−−−−−−−− 1 steven steven 12019239 2009-04-07 13:01 rbutilqt-v1.2-64bit |
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| 20:49:30 | bluebrother | well, that's the problem. "chmod +x rbutilqt-v1.2-64bit" |
| 20:49:31 | webguestington | there it is! hi i'm steven by the way |
| 20:49:53 | bluebrother | rasher: does bz2 preserve file permissions? |
| 20:49:58 | | Quit intrados_ (SendQ exceeded) |
| 20:50:08 | BryanJacobs | bluebrother: "p" flag |
| 20:50:23 | rasher | bluebrother: Probably not I suppose |
| 20:50:25 | webguestington | chmod +x rbutilqt-v1.2-64bit . . . doesn't seem to do anything.. |
| 20:50:25 | bluebrother | p flag? to bz2? |
| 20:50:44 | rasher | webguestington: that means it worked |
| 20:50:47 | BryanJacobs | bluebrother: to tar |
| 20:50:51 | bluebrother | run ls -l again :) |
| 20:50:59 | webguestington | haha sweet. |
| 20:51:05 | webguestington | thank you guys so much |
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| 20:51:22 | bluebrother | I guess that's another reason to tar a single file ;-) |
| 20:51:42 | evilnick_7 | Shouldn't this be in the Wiki for RBUtil using Linux? |
| 20:51:51 | rasher | bluebrother: that's true |
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| 20:52:18 | bluebrother | I would expect a linux user having enough knowledge of his system to figure such things. Might not be true in all cases though ;-) |
| 20:52:25 | bluebrother | feel free to add it to the wiki page |
| 20:52:31 | webguestington | yeah, i'm an idiot. |
| 20:52:34 | * | evilnick_7 was waiting for that! |
| 20:53:00 | bluebrother | webguestington: I didn't say that. It's just that linux users are usually more familiar with the OS than windows users. |
| 20:53:04 | BigBambi | bluebrother: I don't think it is anymore |
| 20:53:10 | bluebrother | Speaking of the mass of users of course. |
| 20:53:18 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Nor do I think we should assume it is :) |
| 20:53:40 | bluebrother | BigBambi: that's what I'm trying to avoid to realize ;-) |
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| 20:54:08 | webguestington | right, i realize i'm in the minority there for sure.. well it looks like everything's gonna be awesome. thanks again |
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| 20:54:25 | yook | does anyone have a compiled snclrc.rock for ipod photo? |
| 20:54:33 | BigBambi | hehe :) |
| 20:54:52 | yook | or, is there a way to compile the snclrc.c without reinstalling rockbox? |
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| 20:55:11 | bluebrother | yook: sure. Compile it, then copy the .rock file |
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| 20:56:19 | yook | not sure how to. the instructions on http://yxz0123.yx.funpic.de/rockbox/src/snclrc.txt says to compile it with rockbox |
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| 20:56:56 | bluebrother | well, you need to compile Rockbox, but that really isn't much of an issue. |
| 20:57:06 | yook | oh, then ONLY copy the rock |
| 20:57:15 | yook | durr |
| 20:57:52 | m4ndril | i have my theme 90% done i need some feedback :) look here: http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7872/previewr.png |
| 20:58:53 | Llorean | yook: Just copying the rock may not work though, if the version numbers are too different. |
| 20:58:54 | bluebrother | m4ndril: looks nice so far. |
| 20:58:59 | Llorean | Why are you trying to avoid also updating your build? |
| 20:59:13 | evilnick_7 | m4ndril: Looks nice, I assume that the full yellow/orange battery indicates charging? Also, it'd be easier to judge having some sample text in there too |
| 20:59:29 | m4ndril | yeah |
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| 20:59:42 | m4ndril | you are write |
| 20:59:46 | m4ndril | :) |
| 20:59:54 | yook | oh, is it no biggie, i just didnt want to lose any settings or data or anything. |
| 20:59:58 | m4ndril | right* |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:06 | bluebrother | yook: you don't loose settings when updating |
| 21:00:15 | bluebrother | m4ndril: you are paint? ;-) |
| 21:00:37 | yook | what about files i have in my .rockbox folder, do i have to back them up? |
| 21:00:43 | yook | albumart and such |
| 21:00:48 | bluebrother | no |
| 21:00:50 | m4ndril | i use inkscape not paint |
| 21:00:54 | JdGordon | BryanJacobs: so continuing on... there is a 512KB static buffer that the codec is loaded into... other than that MoB manages the rest of the RAM |
| 21:00:54 | yook | neat |
| 21:00:55 | m4ndril | inkscape is a vector based |
| 21:01:07 | JdGordon | so there is not much room for the codec to do its own buffering |
| 21:01:11 | bluebrother | I know ... |
| 21:01:20 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: the codec can't buffer things into the main buffer space? |
| 21:01:36 | m4ndril | bluebrother: i dont undestand english very well lol |
| 21:01:36 | linuxstb | BryanJacobs: No, the codec can't access the disk. |
| 21:01:50 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: ick. |
| 21:02:05 | gevaerts | This is actually a problem with some other file formats |
| 21:02:08 | bluebrother | m4ndril: I was just playing with the "write" typo −− "write", then "paint" :) |
| 21:02:11 | gevaerts | s/with/for/ |
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| 21:02:18 | BryanJacobs | linuxstb: so couldn't a callback interface of some sort work? |
| 21:02:28 | Llorean | gevaerts: Tracker formats, for example? |
| 21:02:30 | gevaerts | yes |
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| 21:02:44 | Hittudiv | there is a problem with hellowworld plugin.. i did this from wiki.. its showing some error message..http://rockbox.pastebin.com/m7020dac1 can some1 help please? |
| 21:03:01 | BryanJacobs | Rockbox essentially has a VFS layer, correct? |
| 21:03:05 | m4ndril | i dont have a way to test the pause button |
| 21:03:12 | linuxstb | BryanJacobs: The core principle is that core Rockbox does buffering from disk to RAM, and then powers down the disk for as long as possible, until more data is needed. The codec just has access to that buffered data, which it processes from start to end (a FIFO) |
| 21:03:12 | m4ndril | because i dont have numeric keypad |
| 21:03:12 | saratoga | what is VFS |
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| 21:03:24 | m4ndril | im in linux and my notebook has a Fn key |
| 21:03:28 | m4ndril | thats not working |
| 21:03:31 | JdGordon | BryanJacobs: yeah :/ I had an idea that we could get MoB to release some RAM to the codec if needed which doesnt move (MoB can actually move the data around which can be dangerous)... but there is still the issue with disk access blocking the codec |
| 21:03:38 | JdGordon | which may be a problem, maybe not |
| 21:03:39 | m4ndril | is there a way to enable pause without the keypad ? |
| 21:03:57 | archivator | bertrik: does the playback stutter with a linear scaler? I have narrowed it down to using a logarithmic scale - flog, I think, is the culprit. |
| 21:04:00 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: I did not know that disk access blocks the codec |
| 21:04:10 | archivator | *scale |
| 21:04:10 | BryanJacobs | why should it on dual-core targets? |
| 21:04:26 | JdGordon | disk access is blocking in rockbox... so if the codec threads calls it, it will block |
| 21:04:37 | JdGordon | on dual core targets we could work around that |
| 21:04:46 | BryanJacobs | ... but that's a hack. |
| 21:04:48 | BryanJacobs | hmm. |
| 21:05:09 | bertrik | it stuttered only a few times with the smaller FFT |
| 21:05:17 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: would the right solution be nonblocking I/O? |
| 21:05:46 | saratoga | why do we want non-blocking IO? |
| 21:06:10 | m4ndril | can someone help me with the pause button of my theme ? |
| 21:06:12 | BryanJacobs | saratoga: we want to have a codec have access to two different files, meaning current buffering code isn't sufficient |
| 21:06:16 | m4ndril | i have no pause in the simulator |
| 21:06:23 | m4ndril | so i cant test |
| 21:06:24 | JdGordon | BryanJacobs: well thats basically what MoB tries to do... but the buffer tries to be full when the disk is spining so the only way to do it would be to force it to dump buffered tracks to fit the lossless file in |
| 21:06:28 | saratoga | codecs shouldn't have a diskio function at all |
| 21:06:29 | archivator | bertrik: the lower FFT_SIZE is, the more inaccurate the results get. I need to figure out how to scale the values logarithmically without calling that flog.. |
| 21:06:51 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: did you write the MoB code? |
| 21:06:57 | JdGordon | no |
| 21:07:27 | JdGordon | Nico_P knows that code better than anyone... but he hasnt been around much I think :/ |
| 21:07:39 | BryanJacobs | well, I should probably give it a read |
| 21:08:13 | BryanJacobs | saratoga: the idea was to keep ugliness out of buffer/playback.c |
| 21:08:19 | BryanJacobs | but it may be a bad idea |
| 21:08:27 | JdGordon | it *might* just work though |
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| 21:08:42 | * | BryanJacobs crosses fingers |
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| 21:09:12 | PaulJam | m4ndril: try the "home" button. |
| 21:09:26 | JdGordon | but you have to handle the almost definite problem of what to do when the lossy file (part of it anyway) is ready but the lossless part isnt |
| 21:09:52 | BryanJacobs | well, we've still got good quality audio :-D |
| 21:09:55 | m4ndril | PaulJam: i will try :D |
| 21:10:03 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: that might even help with performance |
| 21:10:16 | BryanJacobs | if the player is too slow, give 90% lossless audio :-P |
| 21:10:17 | m4ndril | PaulJam: did you see my theme ? :d |
| 21:10:17 | PaulJam | m4ndril: or "page up" |
| 21:10:59 | PaulJam | m4ndril: yes, it looks nice (but i don't have a sansa) |
| 21:11:41 | yook | snclrc can read lyrics from id3 tag right? |
| 21:12:00 | JdGordon | BryanJacobs: it might be worth emailing the dev mailing list and getting a bit of a discussion going on how to try doing it... I really dont want to see you waste 81/2 weeks on this part of the issue (of course this might be the only hard part of the project anyway) |
| 21:12:14 | m4ndril | PaulJam: home or page up is not working |
| 21:12:33 | m4ndril | PaulJam: pgdn , delete, insert or end are not working eithe |
| 21:12:57 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: not a bad idea. Will do. I kind of want to just HAVE the stuff in the buffer and do the work from there, but obviously this isn't too easy... |
| 21:13:26 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: I can always test the later parts with a pre-interleaved file anyhow |
| 21:13:46 | JdGordon | yeah, but that defeats the purpose of the whole thing anyway |
| 21:14:01 | BryanJacobs | no, it only lessens the convenience |
| 21:14:10 | JdGordon | what sort of file chunk sizes would be needed? |
| 21:14:21 | BryanJacobs | depends on the buffer size |
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| 21:14:36 | Hittudiv | when i try to compile hellow world plugin, i get "static declaration of ‘rb’ follows non-static declaration" error message on the line static const struct plugin_api* rb; what does that mean? |
| 21:14:39 | JdGordon | minimum to be workable? |
| 21:14:48 | BryanJacobs | the main advantage of interleaved hybrid is that adding and removing the lossless info is low O(n) |
| 21:15:00 | BryanJacobs | probably only a few K |
| 21:15:10 | BryanJacobs | let me check the spec |
| 21:15:13 | Llorean | Hittudiv: Isn't rb already declared in the plugin header? |
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| 21:16:15 | PaulJam | m4ndril: then i have no idea... (according to the source code PGUP should be the alternative button for Keypad9: http://rockbox.pastebin.com/m69ed5501) |
| 21:16:27 | Hittudiv | can someone please correect it in wiki?? it is given there..to declare rb in the helloworld plugin |
| 21:16:49 | m4ndril | :( |
| 21:17:43 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: no minimum http://pastebin.com/m372826a2 |
| 21:17:47 | JdGordon | BryanJacobs: a possible solution could be to steal the plugin buffer (512KB again) and use a 2nd thread in the codec to manage that which would be fine on dual core.. the downnside to that would be no plugins while its running, but thats not too bad |
| 21:17:50 | domonoky | BryanJacobs: maybe this interleaving could be done by loading time, and the codec provides a function to read from disk to a buffer.. |
| 21:18:07 | JdGordon | BryanJacobs: I cant look at any code or specs atm... I'm at work :) |
| 21:18:20 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: was just a 1-para snippet |
| 21:18:34 | * | JdGordon has to be careful with pastebins :) |
| 21:18:38 | BryanJacobs | domonoky: that doesn't sound bad |
| 21:18:44 | linuxstb | domonoky: The problem is that the codec isn't loaded at buffering time.... |
| 21:18:52 | m4ndril | PaulJam: can i recompile this changing the SDL var ? |
| 21:19:01 | linuxstb | domonoky: Or rather, may not be loaded. |
| 21:19:10 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: if we use the codec space, which is only 512k, then we'll probably get bad battery performance b/c the WVC is larger than the WV |
| 21:19:21 | domonoky | then this "codec provided loading function" have to sit somewhere else, maybe with the metadata code ? |
| 21:20:04 | BryanJacobs | domonoky: how about this: request_buffer takes an optional callback handle |
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| 21:20:33 | BryanJacobs | signature looks like callback(FILE* file, void* buf) |
| 21:20:36 | JdGordon | BryanJacobs: battery perf can be fixed later... I'm trying to come up with a workable solution so we have a working codec at the end :) |
| 21:20:41 | * | domonoky doesnt knows the details of this code. it was just a suggestion to explore :-) |
| 21:20:51 | JdGordon | no, callback into buffering isnt a good idea imo |
| 21:20:56 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: agreed, but I don't want to architect it wrong in a way that can't be fixed |
| 21:21:09 | JdGordon | nothing can't be fixed |
| 21:21:12 | PaulJam | m4ndril: i guess this could work. the code is in \uisimulator\sdl\button.c |
| 21:21:33 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: technically true, but a total rewrite isn't really a "fix" |
| 21:21:49 | BryanJacobs | wait, I suppose the code for correcting blocks would still be useful |
| 21:21:54 | BryanJacobs | <shrug> |
| 21:22:20 | m4ndril | ok.. i have gcc here in linux :D |
| 21:22:39 | JdGordon | btw, I said plugin buffer before which is a seperate 512KB block than the codec... if that worked we could move that to a larger block inside the real buffer/MoB... |
| 21:22:55 | BryanJacobs | ooh, now that sounds good |
| 21:23:01 | JdGordon | it would limit wv hybrid to dual core though, but thats probably fine anyway |
| 21:23:07 | BryanJacobs | we get a whole 512k to ourself... |
| 21:23:22 | BryanJacobs | and if there ever were an async I/O function we could use it |
| 21:23:26 | Llorean | JdGordon: You should at least *try* to find a solution that doesn't require dual core |
| 21:23:46 | Llorean | That's a decreasing subset of our targets, at the moment. |
| 21:23:56 | JdGordon | Llorean: sure, but I wuld rather it working on some targets than none... |
| 21:24:09 | JdGordon | are all the arm targets dual core? |
| 21:24:15 | Llorean | No. |
| 21:24:17 | * | linuxstb thinks a way forward would be to pre-process the files to a combined format, and let the Rockbox buffering code handle that as a normal single file. The next step would be to make the Rockbox buffering code do that combining. |
| 21:24:20 | Llorean | Just the iPods, Sansas, and H10. |
| 21:24:25 | Llorean | And M:Robe 100 I guess. |
| 21:24:42 | JdGordon | PP only then... nuts, I thought the beast was also |
| 21:24:43 | Llorean | linuxstb: That was the one that sounded most interesting to me too |
| 21:24:46 | linuxstb | Not the Gigabeats, Telechips, AMS, .... |
| 21:24:48 | * | BryanJacobs agrees with linuxstb - all code that works with combined format would work with any dual-file-buffering result |
| 21:25:26 | * | BryanJacobs will post to dev list to allow debate to rage, burning all who stand in its way |
| 21:25:42 | PaulJam | m4ndril: you probably don even have to change the sourcecode. the alternative buttons were added only two days ago, so you uisim is probably built from an older source. http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=20628 |
| 21:25:47 | linuxstb | BryanJacobs: Exactly. And you would be able progress the project a long way without touching the core buffering code. |
| 21:26:02 | BryanJacobs | linuxstb: should I revise the proposal milestones? |
| 21:26:41 | shotofadds | linuxstb: TCC78x is dual-core, we just don't utilise it yet |
| 21:27:00 | linuxstb | shotofadds: Sshhh. |
| 21:27:02 | JdGordon | hmm... a second thread in the codec would work on a single core target anyway... just more likely to slow things down |
| 21:28:42 | m4ndril | PaulJam: so what do you suggest ? |
| 21:28:56 | m4ndril | PaulJam: to download a new build of the simulator ? |
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| 21:31:39 | PaulJam | m4ndril: if you use windows, then you can grab one from here: rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ this one should include the alternative buttons. |
| 21:32:01 | Hittudiv | i am currently trying to compile my own plugins.. is there a way to stop building all the plugins by the make file? |
| 21:32:06 | m4ndril | i download it from there |
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| 21:32:13 | m4ndril | i use linux.. i use wine to run it :d |
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| 21:33:42 | Hittudiv | i just need to test my plugin.. |
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| 21:35:11 | m4ndril | PaulJam: its now working thank you so much for everything :D |
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| 21:35:30 | m4ndril | PaulJam: i can now finish my theme xD |
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| 21:48:20 | Ubuntuxer | I don't understand viewport. The functions aren't well documented. Not even in PLUGIN_API.new. The wiki isn't very useful. Does a plugin use viewport yet? |
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| 21:53:48 | PaulJam | i would guess the test_viewports plugin uses them. |
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| 21:58:04 | Ubuntuxer | I donkey, sorry |
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| 21:59:02 | robin0800 | Someone should change the front page that still sayes yesterday was April !st |
| 21:59:21 | robin0800 | 1st |
| 21:59:45 | gevaerts | robin0800: that statement is dated :) |
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| 22:00:54 | robin0800 | gevaerts: its in the project news |
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| 22:01:27 | gevaerts | robin0800: yes. And it's clearly marked that on April 2nd, yesterday was April 1st :) |
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| 22:03:15 | robin0800 | gevaerts: But it was usefull on 2nd for people that didn't get the apple joke hardly relevent now |
| 22:03:38 | BigBambi | does it really matter? |
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| 22:04:10 | bluebrother | it implicitly tells that there was an aprils fools joke on the first. |
| 22:04:17 | bluebrother | that's still valid |
| 22:04:54 | robin0800 | BigBambi: well how do you find out what happened on the 1st? |
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| 22:05:46 | Llorean | You can ask. |
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| 22:06:19 | bluebrother | the mailing list has it ... |
| 22:06:21 | BigBambi | robin0800: I agree it is somewhat superfluous, I just don't get why it actually matteras |
| 22:06:57 | robin0800 | Llorean: don't new people ask enough questions already? |
| 22:07:20 | SageSeeker | I'm having some trouble installing Rockbox to my Sansa e260v2. I'm using Vista, I cant get the autoinstaller to detect the device, and I cant figure out how to manually direct it to the device. |
| 22:07:20 | gevaerts | robin0800: you're the first one to ask about this, and you're not new |
| 22:07:58 | Llorean | SageSeeker: We don't provide builds for the e200v2, the port is incomplete. |
| 22:08:05 | evilnick_7 | SageSeeker: AMS Sansa's aren't yet supported by RBUtil |
| 22:08:13 | SageSeeker | That explains it. |
| 22:08:27 | bluebrother | SageSeeker: the AMS sansas aren't supported at all yet |
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| 22:09:11 | SageSeeker | Okay. thanks anyways. |
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| 22:40:00 | webguest65 | Hey i need some help with my sansa can anyone help me |
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| 22:40:18 | webguest65 | Hey i need some help with my sansa can anyone help me |
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| 22:40:19 | webguest65 | Hey i need some help with my sansa can anyone help me |
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| 22:40:44 | webguest65 | does anyone have a yahoo ID so i can im you |
| 22:40:49 | krazykit | webguest65, not if you don't ask a more specific question |
| 22:40:53 | evilnick_7 | webguest65: Just ask the question and anyone who can help will |
| 22:41:00 | webguest65 | i have a brinked sansa |
| 22:41:02 | webguest65 | and |
| 22:41:17 | webguest65 | simmilar problem |
| 22:41:18 | webguest65 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18197.0 |
| 22:41:19 | krazykit | if it's a v1 sansa, it isn't bricked and is recoverable |
| 22:41:29 | webguest65 | yes its a V1 |
| 22:41:34 | webguest65 | well i deleted everthing |
| 22:41:39 | webguest65 | off and now i cant do anything |
| 22:41:40 | webguest65 | with |
| 22:41:41 | webguest65 | it |
| 22:41:57 | krazykit | webguest65, the enter key is not a space bar. please try to keep whole thoughts to one line |
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| 22:42:07 | * | evilnick_7 suggests calming down a little |
| 22:42:12 | webguest65 | sorry okay |
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| 22:42:52 | evilnick_7 | What happens when you turn the Sansa on? |
| 22:43:04 | webguest65 | it stays on the welcome screen |
| 22:43:29 | webguest65 | i have tried to paste the files to sansa mi4 files but nothing happenes |
| 22:43:30 | lucent | webguest65: you need to remove the SD card |
| 22:43:39 | lucent | webguest65: unless I am mistaken? |
| 22:43:41 | webguest65 | i dont have a sd card |
| 22:43:59 | evilnick_7 | OK, how much of this have you tried: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 22:44:03 | lucent | oh, then maybe it is the case that you dropped your player ;P |
| 22:44:25 | webguest65 | ive tried all of that |
| 22:44:27 | evilnick_7 | lucent: If it was dropped then it wouldn't make it to the welcome screen |
| 22:44:40 | webguest65 | and still dosnt work |
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| 22:45:24 | webguest65 | sansa firmware updater still recognises that its a sansa but gives me a error message if that helps |
| 22:45:59 | evilnick_7 | Can you get to the Recovery Mode? |
| 22:46:02 | webguest65 | yes |
| 22:46:05 | lucent | evilnick_7: okay I will be quiet then, I don't know anything about his Sansa :( |
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| 22:47:45 | evilnick_7 | webguest65: And were you able to copy the correct .mi4 file to it? |
| 22:48:11 | webguest65 | yes but it wont restart or like do anything just stays at the recovery mode |
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| 22:49:16 | evilnick_7 | What is the exact Sansa model, and what is the name of the .mi4 file that you copied over? |
| 22:49:29 | webguest65 | lemme check |
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| 22:50:06 | webguest65 | sansa e260 and PP5022.mi4 |
| 22:50:21 | gevaerts | Also, what do you mean by "just stays at the recovery mode"? |
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| 22:51:21 | webguest65 | After that i unplug the usb cable and the player is just stuck in this mode forever, until i hold the power button down for 15 secs to shut it down. On restart, i am back to the same old problem. NO CHANGE. |
| 22:51:59 | gevaerts | did you safely eject it? |
| 22:52:07 | webguest65 | yes |
| 22:52:49 | evilnick_7 | Can you describe the "welcome screen" that you see when you turn it on? |
| 22:53:27 | webguest65 | just says SanDisk |
| 22:53:28 | webguest65 | thats all |
| 22:54:14 | gevaerts | have you tried sansa.fmt? |
| 22:54:19 | webguest65 | yes |
| 22:54:35 | webguest65 | still dosnt work at all so i dont know what to do now |
| 22:54:44 | gevaerts | What appears on the screen while you are in recovery mode? |
| 22:55:04 | webguest65 | ********************** |
| 22:55:04 | webguest65 | Welcome to Recovery Mode |
| 22:55:04 | webguest65 | ********************** |
| 22:55:04 | webguest65 | Usb cable connected |
| 22:55:04 | webguest65 | Enter USB2.0 MSD mode |
| 22:55:14 | webguest65 | Safe to Disconnect USB |
| 22:55:14 | webguest65 | Exit USB2.0 MSD mode |
| 22:55:35 | webguest65 | then it stays at the last 2 lines and just nothing happens |
| 22:57:12 | gevaerts | hm, the c200 also shows things like "LUN locked". I'm not sure about the e200 |
| 22:57:30 | webguest65 | nope |
| 22:57:32 | * | gevaerts looks around to see if someone knows |
| 22:57:56 | Llorean | I'm pretty sure it's also showed those on my e200 |
| 22:58:00 | Llorean | Can't say for 100% certain though |
| 22:58:50 | * | evilnick_7 is checking as we speak/type |
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| 22:59:22 | advcomp2019 | webguest65, have you tried reinstalling the sansa bootloader? |
| 22:59:28 | webguest65 | how |
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| 22:59:54 | evilnick_7 | I get the same first 3 lines then Please connect USB cable |
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| 23:00:01 | advcomp2019 | there is bootloader file that you put in recovery mode |
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| 23:00:17 | webguest65 | umm just the bootloader? |
| 23:00:24 | webguest65 | is it a ROM file |
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| 23:00:36 | advcomp2019 | yea it is the rom file |
| 23:00:42 | webguest65 | so just that |
| 23:00:45 | webguest65 | nothing else?? |
| 23:01:19 | webguest65 | copy and paste correct? |
| 23:01:24 | advcomp2019 | you need to put the firmware on the sansa.fmt file on it.. it will delete the sansa too |
| 23:01:40 | webguest65 | ya i have tried that |
| 23:01:51 | evilnick_7 | webguest65: It looks from your output that your USB cable was connected when you entered Recovery Mode, is that right? |
| 23:02:16 | webguest65 | no i connected it when it told me to |
| 23:02:40 | evilnick_7 | What did you do immediately before "Safe to Disconnect USB" then? |
| 23:02:49 | gevaerts | webguest65: try finding a different cable and try with that. |
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| 23:03:19 | webguest65 | no its definatly not the cable |
| 23:03:23 | webguest65 | 100% |
| 23:03:56 | webguest65 | if you guys dont know then thats okay i really do need the help thougj |
| 23:03:58 | webguest65 | though |
| 23:04:12 | advcomp2019 | webguest65, so you copied the rom file, the firmware, and sansa.fmt to recovery mode and that did not work? i remember you saying only the firmware and sansa.fmt |
| 23:04:14 | gevaerts | How do you know the cable isn't bad? |
| 23:04:32 | webguest65 | well it works with my other sansa |
| 23:04:45 | webguest65 | rom file, the firmware, and sansa.fmt to recovery yes all 3 files |
| 23:04:48 | gevaerts | it could also be the connector on the sansa |
| 23:05:06 | webguest65 | how about the version file |
| 23:05:14 | webguest65 | could that be it |
| 23:05:23 | gevaerts | it shouldn't |
| 23:05:35 | webguest65 | that pops up with the 16 mg |
| 23:05:45 | evilnick_7 | What did you do immediately before "Safe to Disconnect USB" then? |
| 23:05:46 | webguest65 | yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy thats what it says |
| 23:06:07 | gevaerts | webguest65: you say you connected when it told you to. The output you showed didn't tell to connect |
| 23:06:09 | webguest65 | pasted the 3 files then safly disconeccted and the |
| 23:06:41 | advcomp2019 | webguest65, so your version.txt is corrupt.. you might have to use the e200tool in linux but i will not got that far yet |
| 23:06:55 | webguest65 | i dont have linux |
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| 23:08:33 | webguest65 | so theres the problem the file is corrupt |
| 23:08:44 | gevaerts | yes, so you need e200tool |
| 23:08:47 | webguest65 | but i dont know relly how to do the tecy stuff |
| 23:08:49 | webguest65 | okay |
| 23:09:12 | webguest65 | how do i use it |
| 23:09:17 | webguest65 | download from where? |
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| 23:09:33 | evilnick_7 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick#Manufacturing_Mode |
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| 23:10:13 | webguest65 | i dont understand like its complicatted |
| 23:10:44 | webguest65 | oh ya it asks me to install tango media platform |
| 23:10:51 | webguest65 | but my computer cant find it |
| 23:11:36 | webguest65 | tango digital media platform |
| 23:11:43 | gevaerts | what? |
| 23:11:51 | webguest65 | asks me to install tango media platform |
| 23:11:58 | gevaerts | when? |
| 23:12:01 | webguest65 | but there is no software |
| 23:12:10 | webguest65 | when i am in manufactoring mode |
| 23:12:33 | webguest65 | found new hardware needs driver files |
| 23:12:49 | advcomp2019 | are you in linux? you need to use linux even a linux livecd will work too |
| 23:12:58 | webguest65 | i dont have linx |
| 23:13:13 | gevaerts | well, e200tool works well in linux or macosx. Unfortunately, it's extremely hard to get to even half-work in windows |
| 23:13:26 | webguest65 | i am using windows! |
| 23:13:36 | gevaerts | then find someone who isn't |
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| 23:14:02 | webguest65 | anyone who could do this for me and send me the files ? |
| 23:14:22 | evilnick_7 | webguest65: It seems at this point that the only way to recover your Sansa is by using Linux/MacOS. |
| 23:14:23 | gevaerts | no. The player needs to be connected to a computer running linux or OS X |
| 23:14:35 | webguest65 | OS X? |
| 23:14:37 | webguest65 | whats tthat |
| 23:14:47 | webguest65 | XP |
| 23:14:51 | webguest65 | oh okay i can do tha t |
| 23:14:53 | webguest65 | that |
| 23:15:05 | evilnick_7 | Mac OSX not Windows XP |
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| 23:15:26 | webguest65 | oh ugh so im screwed |
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| 23:16:02 | advcomp2019 | if you know someone with mac os x or linux, you can get it fixed |
| 23:16:15 | webguest65 | nope dont know anyone with linz |
| 23:16:22 | evilnick_7 | webguest65: Your Sansa is not working. You need to get it working. The only way to get it working is by using an Operating System which is NOT Windows and then the e200tool. It's your choice. |
| 23:16:32 | * | gevaerts also doesn't know anyone with linz |
| 23:17:01 | advcomp2019 | do you know anyone with a mac? |
| 23:17:12 | webguest65 | nope |
| 23:17:42 | webguest65 | im screwed |
| 23:17:48 | gevaerts | How did you install rockbox? |
| 23:18:01 | webguest65 | i didnt install rockbox |
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| 23:19:10 | advcomp2019 | you are not screwed.. you just need to find someone with mac os x or linux or you can download a linux livecd and boot to it and fix it yourself |
| 23:19:19 | gevaerts | either that or contact sandisk |
| 23:19:32 | gevaerts | or whoever sold you the sansa |
| 23:19:44 | webguest65 | ive contacted sandisk they told me to add the firmware files but ya |
| 23:19:52 | webguest65 | still nothing |
| 23:20:10 | webguest65 | okay so well im screwed anyways thanks so much for your help |
| 23:20:52 | gevaerts | well, there's nothing much we can do about it then... |
| 23:21:06 | webguest65 | thanks anyway |
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| 23:22:13 | mcuelenaere | is there a way to generate the sample set from CodecPerformanceComparison from within Linux? |
| 23:24:00 | gevaerts | most of the encoders should be available. Not sure if you'll find exactly the same versions though |
| 23:24:15 | * | Llorean wonders how many of the sample formats we can just use ffmpeg to get. |
| 23:24:38 | * | mcuelenaere wonders why no one uploaded the samples somewhere and placed a link in the wiki |
| 23:24:54 | gevaerts | if you want comparable results you have to use the same encoder |
| 23:25:12 | * | mcuelenaere notices the TODO note |
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| 23:27:40 | mcuelenaere | hmm the encoder pack isn't available anymore |
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| 23:51:33 | archivator | Anyone with a PP player willing to test a newer version of fs#10065? Hopefully, playback won't skip now.. |
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| 23:53:27 | rasher | archivator: I'm on it (sansa e200) |
| 23:54:12 | archivator | rasher: I haven't posted the patch in FS, I'll give you a link in a minute. |
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| 23:54:49 | rasher | Ah okay |
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| 23:58:59 | archivator | rasher: try this one: http://pastebin.ca/1385391 |
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