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#rockbox log for 2009-04-08

00:00:09rashereh.. is there no way to get the contents and nothing else?
00:01:28archivatorThere's a textbox at the bottom of the page.
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00:02:33rasherThat works, I guess
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00:09:02PaulJamarchivator: btw, in your fft patch you should probably increase the plugin api version.
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00:10:08archivatorPaulJam: I *had* increased it, it was probably bumped in upstream and I didn't notice..
00:10:25JdGordondont you just hate when that happens :)
00:11:18archivatorHuh, *you*'re the one responsible! Oh, well, it's git's fault - it should've warned me or something!
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00:14:47gevaertsarchivator: any chance of also putting a log scale on the colours?
00:14:50archivatorJdGordon: I've been having some playback issues since your commit. In particular, I sometimes get random characters in the artist/album/track fields right after I start the player. Scrolling random characters nonetheless. Also, the info displayed can easily go out of sync with the track playing by simply skipping a bunch of songs (I had shuffle and repeat shuffle on when that happened).. Just letting you know..
00:15:27archivatorgevaerts: uhm, I have nowhere to steal the actual colors from :)
00:16:00JdGordonarchivator: the first bit is possibly related to the progressbar not being updated on the first track which we are hunting down
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00:17:32kugelrasher: what if I want to update a theme?
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00:18:28rasherkugel: get it deleted by an admin
00:18:56rasherOr become an admin and do it yourself :)
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00:19:22kugelbut why can't everyone update?
00:19:51rasherBecause no one has coded it yet
00:20:01*kugel would prefer that, it was possible in the wiki too
00:22:05Unhelpfulgevaerts: couldn't you just invlog the values before looking up the colors, to do that?
00:22:27gevaertsUnhelpful: I've actually discovered in the meantime that I was talking nonsense
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00:31:43amiconnarchivator: If your new get_log_value() is really faster than the previous one, something is seriously fishy
00:32:20amiconnThe new implementation uses 2 64-bit divisions (meaning thousands of CPU cycles), while flog() in fixedpoint.c uses none
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00:32:49archivatoramiconn: the new one also uses a LUT
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00:35:27amiconnI'm referring to the two Q16_DIV macro calls, which resolve to a division involving int64_t
00:35:29archivatoramiconn: flog seemed to be the bottleneck, not the operations in get_log_value. The new log function (ilog2) uses a LUT and is significantly faster (on my unscientific benchmarks). Also, one of those division can safely be removed (it just scales the value down)...
00:36:03amiconnAnd a division involving int64_t is a longish subroutine in libgcc
00:36:41amiconnflog() doesn't use any division; it's just a chain of comparisons and additions
00:37:01amiconnThe whole flog() should be faster than a single Q16_DIV
00:38:50archivatoramiconn: from what I can tell, ilog2 is working fine. Also, the playback hiccups have disappeared. Only thing is, I'm afraid my way of using ilog2 might be wrong but I need someone else to be the judge there..
00:39:48amiconnHmm, actually those two macro calls *might* be optimized by gcc, but then I wouldn't use the macros, and write the faster code directly, both to help gcc (it may not be equally clever on all platforms) and other devs when reading the code
00:41:03amiconnLine 427 collapses to just result >>= 11; if I don't overlook something
00:41:17archivatoramiconn: correct.
00:41:30amiconnThen I would just write it like that....
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00:43:09archivatoramiconn: wait. No, it doesn't collapse to that. This is the macro expanded: ( (((long long) (result << 16)) << (16)) / (2048 << 16) ) Note the second << 16
00:43:46amiconnThe Q16_DIV in line 422 and 424 divides by a constant. On arm gcc probably uses a 64 bit multiplication involving the S31.32 inverse, which is quite fast. MIPS and coldfire performance will suffer almost for sure....
00:44:21amiconnarchivator: Then it's result <<= 5;
00:44:49pixelmajust wondering, should I bother taking down the links in the wiki to themes now on the theme site? (since I believe only admins can really delete files, the only thing I could do is just not reference them anymore)
00:45:23pixelmamy own themes, of course
00:45:25rasherpixelma: In theory, I guess. Maybe we should just go through them all at some point
00:45:56archivatoramiconn: Still, I find it more readable as is. The intention is clear and the math is simple enough for the compiler to catch and optimize.
00:46:43amiconnYou clearly didn't look at too many disassemblies of gcc-produced code.... (on embedded architectures that is - x86 might be okay)
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00:47:29*amiconn has seen too many gcc goofs to still rely on gcc catching such things
00:48:59archivatorClearly. I'm willing to comment out the current code and have the bitshift version of the second division. What about the first one though? I need to scale the value to the 1-30720 range, what's a quicker way to do that?
00:49:08pixelmahmm, those themes were outdated a bit anyway (due to the font renaming)...
00:51:36amiconnI've not checked the whole math of this. There might be a way involving manual constant folding, which should leave just a multiplication and probably a shift
00:52:55amiconnThis plugin probably should be tested on non-arm targets as well (ideally comparing both versions of logarithm calculation)
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00:57:44archivatoramiconn: If the math proves right, that is :) Most of the code could be significantly simplified (removing all s16.15 code, for one) so I wouldn't start working on optimizations just yet.. Premature optimizations and all that :)
00:58:44mcuelenaereI have ' *** No rule to make target `/home/mcuelenaere/rockbox/build2/pluginbitmaps/brickmania_menu_bg.h', ..' when trying to build plugins for the Onda VX747, any ideas?
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01:00:52*mcuelenaere spots plugins/bitmaps/native/SOURCES
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01:04:50amiconnarchivator: I already spotted one. You calculate the abs value from real and imag as v = fsqrt(r * r + i * i) - but for the logarithmic case it is unecessary to use fsqrt()
01:05:14amiconnYou can just use the fact that log(x*x) == 2*log(x)
01:05:41amiconnFor the linear case this won't work, of course
01:12:55pixelmamcuelenaere: is there a brickmania background picture - (bmp present and referenced in apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/SOURCES)?
01:13:12pixelmathe Onda has a "new" screen size, right?
01:13:24mcuelenaere400x240 (or 240x400)
01:13:33mcuelenaereI currently use the Gigabeat images
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01:15:55pixelmathe check in the sources file tests for LCD_HEIGHT
01:16:50mcuelenaereyes, that's what I did
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01:18:29webguest00hey need some help with my sansa
01:18:32webguest00its briked
01:18:52webguest00the version file is corrupt and i cant put any files while in recovery mode
01:19:17saratogahave you looked at the unbrick guide?
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01:19:49webguest00i dont have linx though
01:20:04saratogaget it and then follow the guide
01:20:04webguest00so does anyone have a yahoo ID where i can IM you
01:20:28Lloreanwebguest00: It's "Linux", and it's necessary in the state you're in. The situation hasn't changed since the last time you were in here.
01:20:57webguest00well mabye there is another soulution to this
01:21:08LloreanNot in the state your player is in.
01:21:24webguest00nothing else
01:21:34webguest00how do i kno for sure that thats the problem?
01:21:54LloreanIf you don't believe us, feel free to go somewhere else and see if they have other answers for you.
01:22:00saratogais the problem "recovery mode doesn't work"
01:22:04LloreanBut unless you've told us things wrong, it's true.
01:22:09webguest00do you kno any sansa tech service?
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01:22:16LloreanThis isn't a Sansa channel
01:22:21Lloreanthis is a channel for the Rockbox software.
01:22:23webguest00live chat
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01:22:35webguest00i know but theres no other solutoion
01:22:38Lloreanwebguest00: Your further questions really don't belong here.
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01:23:05LloreanYou can do what we've told you to do. You're choosing not to, and that's your choice, but we can't help you further.
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01:31:43pixelmamcuelenaere: I'm not sure exactly what you did and what not...
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01:37:07pixelmaI wonder whether you changed the brickmania one after a first compile (and/or tried a make clean)
01:38:25mcuelenaereI didn't do make clean, just changed SOURCES
01:38:50pixelmathough I'm a bit guessing here... there could be a difference to other plugins as brickmania gets the dimensions from the bitmap
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01:39:54mcuelenaereare you talking about the 320x240 <-> 400x240 difference?
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01:41:03pixelmano, I'm talking about the #include of the bitmap.h in brickmania.c - which is used for drawing the bitmap later
01:42:05pixelmajust guessing that it's possible that it doesn't "know" of the existence if you changed it later and something wasn't compiled again
01:42:35*pixelma lacking some vocabulary here :/
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01:43:35mcuelenaerepixelma: I was getting that make error when I didn't yet knew about plugins/bitmaps/SOURCES
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01:45:14pixelmaso it works now?
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01:45:39mcuelenaereat least, it compiles fine
01:45:53mcuelenaerethe output looks a bit weird in some games
01:46:17pixelmachasing non-existent errors then... :)
01:46:30mcuelenaerea bit yes :)
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01:51:29m4ndrilhey sansa guys.. i uploaded my theme to the official website, they have to approve it but here is a preview :
01:51:46m4ndrilif someone wants it NOW i can send it via email or something :)
01:51:47krazykitr: i are in yur irc, ruining yur backgroundz
01:51:57krazykitsorry, pastebuffer annoyance
01:52:33rasherm4ndril: it's on the theme site. Did it say anywhere that it needs approval?
01:53:16m4ndrilyeah they send me a message
01:53:18m4ndrillet me check
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01:53:56m4ndriloh its now on the official page :D
01:54:10rasherIt was at the moment you clicked the verify link. We don't approve themes
01:54:51m4ndrilohh mkay
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01:55:11m4ndrilcan you load it on your sansa and tell me if its ok ? :D
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01:55:40pixelmarasher: is the mp11 theme on that page using WMP graphics?
01:56:05m4ndrilit is...
01:56:09rasherpixelma: No idea... it says they were taken from a Winamp skin though...
01:56:50m4ndrilthey are the exact wmp11 icons :S
01:56:53*mcuelenaere wonders whether the 'Works with X' shouldn't be replaced with (little) icons
01:57:37pixelmathe S.o.Ap. ? ;)
01:57:50m4ndrilmy preview image of darkBox theme says: Fade Cross lol in the theme is well written
01:58:55m4ndrilplease download and send feedback!!! tomorrow i will start de v2 with MUCH BETTER graphic design =)
01:59:08m4ndrilbut i need testing for v1 first
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02:04:01hillshumI've not been able to get to work
02:04:47scorchewhy not?
02:05:44hillshumnot sure
02:06:16hillshumI am on mint felicia fluxbox rc
02:06:52saratogawhat gcc version is that?
02:06:56lucenthillshum: is broken
02:07:08lucenthillshum: work-around is to build 1 arch at a time
02:07:14mcuelenaerelucent: this doesn't seem to be related to
02:07:32Llor_Phonelucent: causing segfaults? Or did you look at the paste?
02:07:38mcuelenaerewell, not its fault
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02:08:12rasherhillshum: gcc −−version |head -n 1
02:08:18lucenthillshum: are you building only arm toolchain?
02:09:11lucentfirst thing I would do is run memtest
02:09:22lucentcompiles expose memory problems in my experience
02:09:27hillshumgcc (Ubuntu 4.3.2-1ubuntu12) 4.3.2
02:09:40lucentif you verify that the hardware is okay, then it's simply a compiler bug
02:09:47*hillshum does not want to reboot
02:10:08lucentwell, it very well could be faulty memory
02:10:42saratogaif you can't build gcc on ubuntu, its probably a bad install or a bad pc
02:11:20lucenthillshum: do you have your $HOME on a proven filesystem like ext3?
02:11:24lucentno ecryptfs
02:11:57hillshumHow do I check?
02:12:17lucentum... if you had something non-standard I can only assume you would know
02:12:29lucentgo reboot and run memtest
02:12:47hillshumit's the default
02:14:44*hillshum reboots
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02:43:52Unhelpfulhrm, which target do i select for the archos jukebox 5000/6000 listed as supported? is that covered by the player/studio as well?
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02:44:44LloreanUnhelpful: I think so
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02:45:23Unhelpfulok, i guess i can skip them then, no pictureflow.
02:45:32m4ndrilLlorean: how are you ? do you have a sansa e200 ? =D
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02:47:17Lloreanm4ndril: Yes.
02:47:37m4ndrilLlorean: i uploaded my theme today.. could you try it and send me feedback please ?
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02:47:54LloreanPlease don't use this channel to continually advertise your theme.
02:48:04m4ndrilLlorean: im not advertising
02:48:09m4ndrili want to improve it
02:48:34LloreanYou can ask for feedback in a more persistent manner in the forums or on the user mailing list.
02:48:39spyderi did a manual install, everything seemed to go smoothly, but when i try to boot rockbox it gives me a bad checksum error
02:48:58spyderany idea what i did incorrectly?
02:49:09m4ndrilLlorean: ok sorry i wont ask for feedback anymore because you think im advertising lol
02:49:56ufomanspyder: your download may be corrupted, usb cable/flash/hdd in player may be broken...
02:50:37spyderufoman: i'll try to redownload and unzip it again then, thanks
02:50:42Lloreanspyder: bad checksum errors often come from accidentally installing a build for the wrong player
02:50:48LloreanWhat player do you have?
02:50:57spyderi have a second gen ipod
02:51:22LloreanAnd on the bad checksum screen what does it say after Model: ?
02:51:55spyderfirst and second, correct?
02:52:35LloreanAnd your player is white with buttons located in a circle around the wheel?
02:53:11spyderit has a silver shell, tho
02:53:17LloreanI said "white"
02:53:28LloreanIf it's silver, you probably have an iPod Mini 2G
02:53:41*spyder nods
02:53:51spyderguy who sold it to me told me wrong then
02:53:51Llorean or ?
02:54:20spydersecond one, yea
02:54:24LloreanThat's a Mini
02:54:28spyderthat explains it
02:54:33LloreanIf you'd used the automated install, you wouldn't have run into this problem. :-P
02:55:02spyderi like to understand what is happening, however
02:55:09ufomanspyder: you have been scammed anyways
02:55:23spyderufoman: why's that?
02:55:41ufomandid you intend to but 2nd gen Ipod or Mini specifically?
02:55:54spyderi just wanted a cheap ipod
02:56:02spyderand that's what i bought
02:56:28ufomanah, ok... never mind then
02:56:39spyderhence why i asked why i was scammed
02:56:48ufomanat least you got 2gen mini
02:56:58spyderLlorean: thanks again for your help on identifying it
02:58:17spyderufoman: yeah, for what i paid, it's great
02:58:56ufomanspyder: and if the microdrive fails, you can put there 16GB CF card...
02:59:26spyderufoman: didn't know that, thanks for the tip
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02:59:53*ufoman thinks that the mini users have it easy ;)
03:00:30spyderi hope so
03:01:07spyderwith rockbox on this, i should have exactly what i need, a decent music player that plays .ogg
03:02:26ufomanI used rockbox on my nano 1gen primarily because I can't stand Apple's interface
03:02:55spyderyeah, i played a bit with my buddy's ipod and that was one thing i couldn't stand either
03:03:18spyderhe has a nano as well
03:04:52ufomanon my X5 rockbox is extremely handy for getting rid of extraneous bass
03:07:47spyderthe x5 has bass issues?
03:08:19spyderthat would bother me as well
03:08:40spydertoo much bass gives me a headache
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03:11:06spydermini firmware booted correctly, i'm happy
03:11:16m4ndrilis rockbox planning to support the sansa fuze ??
03:11:48scorchewe dont make plans to support units...people come forward to make the port happen...that said, there is a port in progress
03:13:12ufomanspyder: well maybe not issues... but my headphones produce a lot of neat bass by themselves
03:13:56ufomanspyder: I set bass control in RB to -2dB and it's all ok than
03:15:00ufomanI've heard and opinion that Fuze can make even a band as energetic as AC/DC sound dull...
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04:44:38krcm0209When I try to install rockbox using the installer on my 30GB iPod Video, I get an unknown error when it goes to download and install the themes. Then the installation quits and I don't know what to do.
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04:46:03Strife89krcm0209: The themes site integration isn't quite working yet AFAIK.
04:47:14krcm0209Oh, so is the installation finished then, or do I have to perform something to finalize the installation?
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04:52:48Strife89krcm0209: Should be finished, I think.
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05:32:04Unhelpfulany reason some of the pictureflow screenshots in the manual appear to have been badly (nearest-neighbor) scaled? or is the PDF just giving a display size different from the actual size of the embedded image, and my viewer is scaling badly?
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05:40:41dreamlayersUnhelpful: It seems like the same thing is happening all screenshots in the manual. It seems like Adobe Reader can't resize nicely.
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05:41:25Unhelpfuli'm using okular, but really, why are they resized at all? i don't see a great benifit in scaling up a tiny bitmap, it doesn't make it more readable.
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05:42:18dreamlayersUnhelpful: I can right click on an image, "Copy Image" and paste it elsewhere. The actual image in the PDF is perfect and unresized. The problem is the resizing which happens when the entire page is scaled.
05:43:46Unhelpfuldreamlayers: i see what you mean, but it's rather odd, because in okular i've not changed the page scaling, and the gigabeat screenshot looked fine, which the c200 and e200 ones appeared to have been scaled up.
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05:53:36dreamlayersUnhelpful: With Adobe Reader 9.1.0, The e200 images just show a few horizontal lines of resizing, and the iPod images show a lot more of it.
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08:38:49chrisjs169B4gder, around?
08:39:07chrisjs169remember me?
08:40:07chrisjs169even if you don't, that's fine - haven't been in here in ages
08:40:14Zagorchrippa: haha, that's cruel
08:40:31Zagorchrisjs169 even
08:40:47chrisjs169reason i'm here is i own, which i haven't updated in ages, and it expires in about two days - was wondering if the Rockbox team wanted it
08:40:56chrisjs169hey Zagor - i remember you
08:41:42B4gderchrisjs169: I don't think we want that honestly, the current one under seems "better" to me
08:42:00chrisjs169B4gder, I wasn't necessarily referring to the code, just the domain name
08:42:11B4gderI meant the domain
08:42:17chrisjs169ah, k
08:42:43chrisjs169That's fine - just wanted to ask if you wanted it first, since I'll probably be letting it expire
08:42:57B4gderright, thanks for the consideration
08:46:55chrisjs169I'll probably idle in here for a bit, but if you change your mind, just highlight me
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08:54:52amiconnrasher: It looks like there's something wrong with the theme site. The iAudio M5 and Iriver H1xx show the 'Simple Green' theme - with a colour screenshot...
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09:11:57KeripoIt cross compiles! \o/
09:12:36Keripomodule loading is dummied though of course (no libld for the PSP - I'll have to implement it through PRXs)
09:13:07Keripoand I haven't modified the Makefile so it compiles as a bootable EBOOT so can't test it (PSP still charging anyway)
09:13:24Keripo3 am in the morning right now so sleep time ; /
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09:15:17Keripothe patch adds a PSP target which is just a cross-compiled version of the UISim (simulating an iPod Video) with a few changes/fixes/dummies here and there to allow for compiling without errors
09:15:32Keripoa start at least ; )
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09:31:43pixelmaamiconn, rasher: it looks like the "Simple Green" theme will work on the greyscale targets too and people only upload the screenshot of "their" target I guess. In the other way round, greyscale screenshots will look slightly off on the colour target theme page because of the defined backlight colour. To be perfect the theme site would have to do screenshots of the missing colour depths itself...
09:34:14linuxstbI guess it could at least convert from colour to greyscale, using the same algorithm as Rockbox...
09:35:57pixelmaone of the greyscale ones works on the M:Robe100 too, so that screenshot looks wrong too
09:37:16pixelmarasher: the "Simple Green" zip includes an SVN font though
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09:41:15MTlinuxstb : I fixed a couple of bugs in my codec, but there are still 2 weird ones : it returns an error if the next track is of a different codec (I tried ogg only as a next track), the second is that in the code, the elapsed time = 13 seconds for an actual elapsed time of 10 seconds on either a sim or a real target.
09:41:24Keripocleaned up a bit and use #ifdefs
09:41:56B4gderKeripo: post it in the patch tracker when you feel like getting some proper attention to it
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09:50:26Unhelpfulmaybe it should just display a placeholder image if the theme was uploaded for a different target, and an "Upload a screenshot of this theme!" link?
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09:55:02pixelmaI don't think it would be nice to ask the people to get a sim of another target just to do the screenshot - and maybe they don't even see the hint if they aren't notified in another way when just looking for the subpage of their target
09:57:50Unhelpfulpixelma: so we need an environment somewhere that has tracks and album art, or at least placeholders for them, and sims for all target... and some way to automatically go to WPS and dump a screenshot. that sounds like an awful mess. :/
09:58:21Unhelpfulmy suggestion with the "upload a screenshot" link is that anybody *else* who tries the theme could elect to send a screenshot for it
09:58:48pixelmamaybe linuxstb's suggestion could work, "parsing" the uploaded screenshot
09:59:47pixelmaUnhelpful: aha, didn't understand your intention
10:00:22Unhelpfulthe dithering would be misaligned... but people would likely not notice ;)
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10:02:49pixelmaa related question is whether the theme site's database is prepared to handle multiple screenshots for the different colour depths?
10:04:18Unhelpfuldo we want screenshots per depth or per target? the 2bpp greyscale displays really don't all look alike...
10:06:33pixelmathat complicated matters even more but until recently the screenshot function didn't make differences between e.g. the M5 and the H100 display ("colour wise"). I think it does now
10:07:23pixelmaper depth would be a start, I guess ;)
10:12:48pixelmaif you want to be accurate you would probably need different screenshot for both (to stay with the example) if the WPS shows RTC info...
10:17:42Unhelpfulthe database itself should probably define which targets are "the same"... and just keep a screenshot per target group, or perhaps several to show themes that use conditionals, like the ones that show more info when there's no AA
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11:44:09Unhelpfulpixelma: it's a harder question for the manual... as the screenshots need to be of different specific screens :/
12:00:07kugelUnhelpful: seems r20651 removed some unrelated code (i.e. a greyscale optimisation amiconn did some time ago)
12:02:32pixelmaand I just started wondering if my mind is playing tricks on me thinking fps were already a bit higher than now
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12:07:26Unhelpfulugh... i'm seeing it in the diff.
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12:11:32rasheramiconn: I don't see what's wrong. It's a colour theme which will load on those targets, but will probably look wrong.
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12:14:03Unhelpfulpixelma: the optimization that was reverted should only impact tracklist... i'll committing an un-revert for it shortly.
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12:33:22pixelmaUnhelpful: you reverted r20653 too
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12:35:54Unhelpfulpixelma: ... yes, i see. :/ i took the r20651 diff and edited out the unwanted changes, and applied it to the r20650 version of the file... and completely forgot the fact that the patch had an error in it :/
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12:48:04pixelmawhat would people prefer: only mention those WPS tagactually working on the target in its manual (appendix) and pointing to the CustomWPS in the wiki - or mention all tags and mark them if they are/aren't working on that target?
12:48:35pixelmaI would like to give this info somehow so that they know what to look out for when porting to a different screen (especially thinking about those 160x128 ones in different depth, RTC info, virtual LED etc.), understanding one that inspires them
12:49:20*pixelma adds an "or"
12:59:25PaulJamhmm, i got a "*PANIC* event line full" on my h300.
13:00:11UbuntuxerPlease, have a look: FS #10099
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13:24:06robin0800Problem with wps if I set a backdrop in the theme file all viewport colours are ignored until I use clear backdrop is this right?
13:28:51PaulJamthe foregroundcolour of the viewport should still work, but yes, when a backdrop is shown then the backgroundcolour has no effect.
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13:33:49PaulJamJdgordon: ping
13:36:29robin0800PaulJam: yes well I'm confused then if I don't use a backdrop it still won't work because it will use the previouse backdop useually cabbiev2 so I still have to use clear backdrop can you use this as a command?
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13:41:22PaulJamdo you mean in the theme.cfg file? there it should be possible by using the line 'backdrop: -'
13:43:49robin0800PaulJam: yes can I call clear backdrop?
13:46:58PaulJamI'm not sure what you mean
13:52:51robin0800PaulJam: yes if I use either - or "" both work, though the debug sayes can't open bmp rc1
13:53:56PaulJamwhat debug?
13:56:36robin0800PaulJam: the wps debug
13:57:40PaulJamif you just use 'backdrop:' this seems to work as well, but without the error message
14:00:20amiconnThat's what you should use
14:00:55robin0800PaulJam: yes it works great many thanks
14:02:10robin0800Another two hours and this may be ready for the new theme site
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15:03:11hittudivi am testing some small plugins for can i avoid building all other plugins, when i compile?
15:03:26hittudivi just want to compile hellowworld.c
15:03:55hittudivremoving from CATERORIES and SOURCES files will do?
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15:04:19Tuplanollayou can select which build to compile
15:05:22gevaertshittudiv: SOURCES is enough
15:05:46hittudivk. thanks
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15:19:42peerlesshas anyone got a datasheet for m5661r chip?
15:28:14MTpeerless : I found datasheets for EM566168 (pseudo SRAM) , is that what you're looking for ?
15:29:01peerlessMT: No I am searching for M5661r which seems to be a SOC in transcend player
15:29:40MTpeerless : ah ok ..
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15:42:16MTin the fake codec that I'm writing, the codec never requests a new track, unless I explicitly set ci->new_track = 1, could someone help me with that ?
15:42:25MTlinuxstb ^^ ?
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16:38:55courtcrwcr: Hey. I'd like to throw some questions at you, when you have some time.
16:39:59dionoeakugel: did you get your ffmpeg application to work?
16:40:23kugeldionoea: yea. I really needed to link libavutil twice
16:41:20dionoeahum ... ok :) Are you integrating conversion stuff into rbutil? or was that not rockbox related?
16:41:39kugelno, not really :)
16:43:03linuxstbMT: Still around?
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16:53:30archivatorEver since the playback patch (fs#9795) I keep getting *PANIC*s - "event line full". It happens when I change the current song (causing rb to generate a new dynamic playlist), sometimes when I pause playback, and very occasionally when skipping songs.. I've reconf'd, made a clean non-ccache build, no change.
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16:58:15MTlinuxstb : hello
16:59:12linuxstbMT: I saw your question about "new_track" - I think that's just set by the Rockbox playback code when the codec needs to abort playing the current track and start again with a new one.
17:00:23MTlinuxstb : yes I know that's how it's supposed to go, in my codec however I have to set it (unless the next track is .mtf too) ..
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17:01:21linuxstbMT: What is the problem? Does something not work?
17:02:41MTlinuxstb : The problem is that, I have to write in my codec the following line : "ci->new_track=1" so that it requests the next track, this way it works fine, otherwise it doesn't request the next track.
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17:04:38MTlinuxstb : when I don't add that line, it throws a "segmentation fault" and crashes.
17:04:51MTthat's after the first track ends
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17:06:47MTlinuxstb : here's the current code -
17:07:50MTlinuxstb : line 69 summarizes all my problems :)
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17:09:17linuxstbMT: You get the segmentation fault if you change that line to: if (...) goto done;
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17:09:44MTlinuxstb : exactly
17:10:07binraptHello, I am interested in finding about how to write custom firmware for Sansa devices. I have a Sansa Fuze, I understand that Rockbox does not support this yet?
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17:10:19binraptWhat kind of executable formats do these devices execute?
17:10:38binrapt*finding out even
17:10:41linuxstbNo kind of executable format.
17:11:10binraptWell, how does the firmware work then?
17:11:14linuxstbMT: Then I think the problem may be elsewhere - that part of the code looks correct. You could try debugging with gdb.
17:11:23MTif .. goto done, or break or endofstream .. basically anything that will exit the loop will lead to ci->new_track not being set
17:13:08MTok, another problem, also on line 69 .. (if n > 1300 ) .. if I write the condition like this ( n > 1000 /*for 10 seconds */), the playback stops at 7 seconds, so I have to add 3 more seconds, (hence n >1300)
17:16:39MTlinuxstb : I've been trying for sometime with those 2 bugs, but still can't figure out a solution yet ..
17:17:13domonokybinrapt: take a look at our Wiki, under SansaAMS to see the current state of rockbox on fuze.
17:18:32binrapt ah Austria Microsystems
17:18:33MTlinuxstb : I want to make sure I'm correct, when I send the pcm buffer 441 samples each of 16-bit depth .. then the size of the buffer I need would be (441*16/8) and also since the frquency is 44100, then sending 441 samples = 10 milliseconds .. am I correct ?
17:19:17*kugel wonders about MT's way of doing char arrays
17:19:49domonokyMT: if you are doing stereo, 441 samples are only 5ms, i think.
17:20:56domonokyand so i would think the buffer should be 441*2*2 bytes (16bit samples in stereo)
17:21:11MTdomonoky : I'm setting it to STEREO_MONO
17:21:16domonokyoh.. :-)
17:21:23MTso it should be 10 ms for 441 samples, right ?
17:22:08MTI wonder why then do I have to add extra 3 seconds for the playback to actually run for 10 seconds
17:22:34MTkugel : suggestions ? :)
17:22:55domonokybut i am also wondering why you do need to set ci->newtrack, shouldnt that be done by the playback thread, if you setup the metadata correctly ?
17:22:55kugelartist[] = "MT"?
17:24:13domonokyand filling in the artist and title strings, probably also should be done in the metadata code, and not in the codec... (the strings get invalid, if the codec is unloaded)
17:24:15MTkugel : well I tried (char *artist = "MT" ) then, ci->id3->artist = artist .. segmentation fault.
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17:24:53kugelwell, *artist != artist[] in this case
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17:25:09binraptAh, they're already working on Fuze and such I see
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17:26:08MTkugel : I'll modify it then .. (don't know why didn't I try that :/ )
17:26:50kugelMT: but assigning strings doesn't work like that in C anyway. use strcpy
17:27:44domonokykugel: just strcpy into the id3->artist ptr also wont work.. see how other codecs metadata code does it...
17:28:04MTkugel, I'm sending the address of an array to a char pointer so it should be correct
17:28:21domonokythey normally use some id3buffer to store the strings, and let id3->artist and else point to the correct location.
17:28:45MTkugel : I'm not copying a string I'm just making the id3 char pointer share the same address
17:28:45kugelI see
17:28:51MTwhat domonoky said :)
17:29:30kugeland I didn't say it wouldn't work :) initially, I just found the "{'M','T','\0'}" weird
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17:29:41domonokyonly that MTs strings are only valid, while the codec is loaded. if it gets unloaded at the end of playback, the pointers get invalid, and may cause a segementantion fault :-)
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17:30:29MTkugel : it's weird indeed, I fixed it :)
17:31:19kugeldomonoky is right, I think. sounds dangerous
17:32:03MTdomonoky : that might be the reason why I'm getting segmentation faults when the next track isn't (mtf)
17:32:24domonokyMT: thats exactly the case for this :-)
17:32:51domonokyso put the metadata int the right place, and dont mess with id3->new_track, and all should work fine :-)
17:33:34MTdomonoky : but I believe the other codecs get the title and the artist from the codec's code itself ?
17:33:39domonokyfor a example see: metadata/asap.c :-)
17:34:08gevaertskugel: initialising strings works just fine like this :)
17:34:25domonokynope, parsing metadata is in another place, its all under metadata/ so its available when the codec isnt loaded..
17:34:29kugel0'ing the id3 pointer might help too (unless our other code is not id3=NULL aware enough)
17:34:30linuxstbMT: No, the codecs themselves should ignore the metadata.
17:35:03linuxstbMT: metadata parsing is done by the core code (in the get_metadata() function). This happens before the track is buffered, and before the actual codec is loaded run.
17:35:08linuxstb^loaded and run.
17:36:19MTlinuxstb : ok I'll try again .. it's just that I was getting the scary segmentation faults when putting them in get_metadata() :( .. but I'll find a solution for that.
17:36:32linuxstbMT: Then you were doing it wrongly!
17:37:04linuxstbThe "id3v2buf" part of the metadata struct can be used to store strings. The artist/title etc pointers point into that.
17:37:27MTah ok, thanks :)
17:37:53linuxstbAnd remember that locally defined variables are allocated on the stack, so when the function exits, they disappear.
17:40:06MTlinuxstb : about the other porblem, that is having to code 13 seconds of playback for an actual run of 10 seconds ?
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17:41:22linuxstbMT: I'm not sure. Fix other things first, and then see if it is still an issue.
17:50:07MTall fixed \o/
17:50:48MTdomonoky, linuxstb : thanks :)
17:52:33hittudiv\o/ my first plugin.. :) thanks all...
17:52:36MTso the added seconds were actually an overhead for initializing the strings inside the codec ?
17:56:45domonokyno, more likely some confusion in playback as you changed ci->new_track yourself.. initing a few strings doesnt take 3 seconds :-)
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18:01:21MTdomonoky : but this was happening even before I was setting new_track myself
18:01:50domonokydid you set the play time in the metadata code correctly before ?
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18:07:17kugelpetur: ping
18:07:21domonokyhm, then i dont know. maybe there was something else strange in your earlier code...
18:07:32peturkugel: yes?
18:07:56kugelpetur: I have the disable-wps-updates patch nearly done, are you free for a final test?
18:08:12peturmaybe tonight...
18:08:16kugelJdGordon's rework eased it quite a bit
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18:09:24hittudiv rb->lcd_set_foreground(LCD_RGBPACK(0,0,255)); what exactly is the foreground colour?
18:09:34hittudivi cant see redcolour anywhere when i compile
18:09:37kugelpetur: thanks, I'll upload to the tracker
18:10:00peturhittudiv: RGB 0,0,255 would be blue
18:10:23hittudiveither blue is not there..
18:10:35peturit is for text iirc
18:10:39hittudivi set a backgrond, fore ground and then rb->splash(HZ*2, "Hello world!");
18:10:56petursplash uses its own colors
18:11:34hittudivooh k lcd_putsxy() uses the specified colours?
18:12:06*petur now really away again
18:12:13hittudiv:) thanks
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18:25:06hillshumIf the AMS Sansas, the beast, and the Ondas are ready for a release at once, would we go to 4.0?
18:25:50UbuntuxerIs there the ability of optional parameter in rockbox?
18:25:54domonokyhillshum: but only if they get ready at the exact same time :-)
18:26:12linuxstbUbuntuxer: optional parameter to what?
18:26:21Ubuntuxera function
18:26:21linuxstbdomonoky: Or within the same 3 month period...
18:26:41linuxstbUbuntuxer: You're just asking if you can have optional parameters in C?
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18:27:02hillshumso that would bump to 4.0?
18:27:15Ubuntuxerno, I know it isn't possible, but there is a lib named stdarg.h
18:27:37linuxstbYes, Rockbox has that. It needs it for snprintf and friends.
18:28:04Ubuntuxerhow do I use it?
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18:29:42Ubuntuxersimiliary to stdarg.h?
18:30:15linuxstbUbuntuxer: Look at apps/misc.c:parse_list() for an example.
18:30:31linuxstbBut yes, I expect it's identical to stdarg.h
18:33:08hittudiveverytime i made a silly mistake, i have to compile everything.
18:33:15hittudivis there a less time taking process? rather than ../tools/configure and make?
18:33:26gevaertswhy don't you just rerun make?
18:33:49hillshumthere's some way to just do some plugins right?
18:34:15hillshumhittudiv: what OS are you on?
18:34:48linuxstbhittudiv: Just typing "make rocks" will just compile your plugins. But it shouldn't take that long if you've only changed a single plugin file.
18:34:57hillshumdo you have ccache?
18:35:22hittudivi removed all other plugins from SOURCES file.
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18:36:28hittudivmake rocks returns error
18:36:35hittudiv"make rocks"
18:36:39hittudivmake: Nothing to be done for `rocks'.
18:37:04linuxstbWhat is the error?
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18:37:50hittudivlinuxstb, make: Nothing to be done for `rocks'.
18:38:15linuxstbThat's not an error message. It's just tellign you nothing has changed.
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18:38:39hittudivooh sry
18:39:53hittudivrb->lcd_putsxy(10,10, "ubuntu"); the rock file gets executed, but i cant see the text
18:40:40hittudivis there a tiime parameter somewhere?
18:41:01hillshumtime maybe
18:41:20linuxstbYou need to call rb->lcd_update() to actually update the LCD with what you've written to the framebuffer.
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18:44:46JdGordonarchivator: which target?
18:45:08JdGordonre: event line being full
18:46:05UbuntuxerCan a optional parameter also be a struct?
18:46:38UbuntuxerWell, should it also works with a struct?
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18:47:01pixelmaJdGordon: PaulJam reported it too earlier today (he has an H300 if I remember correctly)
18:47:34pixelma12:59 in the logs
18:47:43PaulJamJdgordon: see also FS #10105
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18:48:53JdGordoncan someone do a search in the whole tree for event_add( ?
18:48:58JdGordonhow many come up?
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18:49:43JdGordonmight just be neough to bump MAX_SYS_EVENTS up to the next reasonable number? I tinhk its 12 now? someone push it to 16?
18:50:01*JdGordon uses the excuse he is at work to pass the buck
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18:50:35PaulJamit is already at 16 afaik
18:50:54JdGordonup to 20 or 24 then :)
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18:51:17JdGordonthey arn't really big so its not an issue having a few too many
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18:52:00hillshumHow do I do a search?
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18:54:20archivatorJdGordon: ipodvideo. The only patches I have right now are dreamlayers' patch to enable usb charging and the timestretch one. Timestretch is disabled, though, so that's out of the equation.
18:55:13*kugel got the wps showing up more instantly when coming from the menu
18:55:16JdGordonyeah, it looks like it could be I added one too many event users, and because I had database gathering disabled i didnt go over the limit
18:55:36JdGordonsomeone bump MAX_SYS_EVENTS and close 10105 please....
18:56:13archivatorJdGordon: I found 17 occurrences...
18:56:14kugelhow many do you want?
18:56:38JdGordonarchivator: that makes sense if its set to 16 already :p
18:56:42JdGordonkugel: 20?
18:56:56*kugel was about to suggest that too
18:57:08archivatorJdGordon: 16, 1 is the prototype :) But yeah, it explains it.
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18:57:40JdGordonbounds checking logic is broken then?
18:58:51kugelfor (i = 0; i < MAX_SYS_EVENTS; i++) doesn't look broken
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18:59:36JdGordonwell... if its 16 now, and there are only 16 calls it is, it shuold work
18:59:55archivatorGets weirder. 14 calls, 1 is the prototype, 1 is the actual function, 1 was in a .rej file. I'm checking out a fresh copy, something is seriously fishy.
19:00:15JdGordonoh, there could be one or two in the target tree
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19:00:59archivatorJdGordon: I searched in apps/ and firmware/, anywhere else I should look?
19:01:29JdGordonmeh, wierd :p
19:05:54kugelweeh, nice
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19:09:16hittudiv rb->lcd_putsxy(60, 60, "ubuntu"); is showing the message for less than a second.. how can i set the time parameter?
19:09:16robin0800Is there anywere the theme configuration file is shown like what can be included or should be included etc?
19:10:26hittudivis there a time parameter for lcd_putxy()
19:10:28linuxstbkugel: Did you test that raising MAX_SYS_EVENTS fixed the bug? Or do you know why it needed raising if there are only 14 calls to add_event() ?
19:10:37hittudivis there a list of functions in wiki?
19:10:38*linuxstb is confused by the last 30 minutes of log...
19:10:49archivatorhittudiv: There isn't a time parameter. It just draws to the screen and apparently your plugin quits shortly after. You need a main loop.
19:11:34linuxstbhittudiv: Easiest thing is to sleep - e.g. "rb->sleep(HZ*3)" will sleep for three seconds.
19:12:48hittudivok..i just put the display function and nothing else..anyway..sleep works :) thanks
19:13:14PaulJamrobin0800: in settings => manage settings you can export the theme settings. so i guess those settings that get exported should be in the theme.cfg
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19:15:00*kugel counts 16
19:15:31kugel14 :(
19:16:05linuxstbkugel: But it fixed the bug?
19:16:17kugelwell, the problem is probably that evens are added more than one then
19:16:32kugellinuxstb: temporarily, probably
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19:16:47linuxstbNo, they shouldn't be. events with the same ID and callback are not added more than once.
19:17:06linuxstbUnless that part isn't working...
19:18:02kugelah right
19:18:24*bertrik is surprised to see we are running out of MAX_SYS_EVENTS again
19:18:37linuxstbbertrik: We weren't (afaics)
19:19:00hillshumpeople just can't count
19:19:23linuxstbs/people/archivator/ ;)
19:19:39archivatorIt used to pretty consistently crash when skipping a bunch of songs, now it doesn't.
19:20:27archivatorlinuxstb: I did correct myself, I was just too late.
19:21:19binraptHeh even the normal Sansa Fuze firmware is broken, it says that all WAVs are 2 h 52 m in length
19:21:45binraptHmm maybe I have some meta data in these files from Cool Edit Pro and it can't handle it or so
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19:21:58binraptI can't remember how the header worked and how meta data is stored
19:24:03bertrikthere can be more than one task registered with different callbacks through register_storage_idle_func
19:24:19domonokybinrapt: please stay on topic. only rockbox related things allowed here
19:24:32kugelthe events call backs aren't initialized with NULL, are they?
19:25:07bertrikno they are not
19:25:27linuxstbbertrik: Ah...
19:25:53kugelthat's probably the issue
19:26:11kugelit checks for cb == NULL, but it's not null'd before
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19:26:36binraptIs there any reasonable ETA on the Rockbox implementation for the Fuze? How long does this usually take? 6-12 months per embedded system, longer if it's a new architecture?
19:26:40PaulJambtw, with 20661 i cant reproduce the PANIC anymore.
19:26:47saratogano ETA
19:27:18kugelPaulJam: can I you test a patch which contains a better fix?
19:27:38archivatorPaulJam: Same here.
19:27:48PaulJamkugel: sure
19:28:07linuxstbkugel: IIUC, the array is in BSS, so they should be NULL.
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19:28:23kugelthen I can't explain
19:28:35linuxstbkugel: bertrik explained...
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19:28:45*LambdaCalculus37 may have a possible solution to this: thanks to linuxstb
19:29:00pixelmakugel: also yellow
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19:32:02kugelbertrik: ah, I see
19:32:14kugelgood catch
19:32:16LambdaCalculus37linuxstb had suggested to me that I should try adding the -r option to make in, as the $make variable is initialised to "gmake" or "make" at the start. So all calls to make in should be changed to make -r.
19:33:04LambdaCalculus37It disables the use of built-in rules, and uses those only explicitly added to the Makefile.
19:33:07*linuxstb mentions that Apple have patched gmake to have a built-in rule for .m files (used by Objective C), and using -r disables all built-ins
19:33:29linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: So it worked?
19:33:50LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: I haven't tried it yet; no wireless at work, and no chance to try during lunch break.
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19:36:52kugelJdGordon: Is the first restore quick enough now to put the add_event into the restore part?
19:37:39MTlinuxstb : final patch [ I hope :) ] -
19:37:43kugelvery first timeout is 1 tick
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19:38:54linuxstbMT: Does it compile without any compiler warnings?
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19:39:35MTlinuxstb : yes.
19:39:58kugelMT: just a style note, if the done: label is directly after the while loop, you could also just do break;
19:40:06kugel(some people consider goto harmful, so)
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19:41:28MTkugel : I just wanted to follow the style of the codecs, most of them do that .. (btw, the "goto-is-harmful" rule is bendable :) )
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19:41:37MTI have to go
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19:51:53kugelyay, the recent wps updates and reworks made scrolling lines more smooth again
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19:56:01JdGordonbertrik: its not that we were getting low again... my commit on sunday added a few events
19:56:33JdGordonkugel: I still dont see the need to remove the event
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20:25:41kugelJdGordon; hehe, the wps feels as good again as pre-viewports :)
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20:40:48bertrikJdGordon, what do you mean by "I still dont see the need to remove the event"?
20:41:09bertrikyou mean to say we need to be prepared for the maximum number of registered events possible?
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20:42:41kugelbertrik: He means that it's not worth to remove the events used by the wps once you left the wps (in which case the events are useless)
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20:47:15jaykay_why does the 5.0 link lead to the same folder again in
20:47:36jaykay_ (as example)
20:47:55jaykay_well actually i should ask whether this can be fixed.
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20:53:14JdGordonbertrik: yes, we have to make sure that there is room for as many as might want to register at any one time
20:53:47JdGordonthe disk idle notify event is a wrapper for event_add which is why it didnt cmoe up in the count :)
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20:59:01kugelJdGordon: can you still repro FS #10102 after my changes? I can't somehow
20:59:15JdGordonim at work so i have no way of knowing
20:59:43JdGordonI bet your change just hid the problem like the fix i posted in that task anyway
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21:00:43ballI seem to be suddenly unable to play anything
21:01:46*JdGordon points at kugel
21:01:58ballI choose a song or a podcast and nothing happens. RockBox seems to be saying that each song is 0:00 in length
21:02:07ball...but doessn't skip on to the next song.
21:02:37gevaertsball: what do you mean by "suddenly"?
21:02:43archivatorball: what was the last thing you did before playback broke? An unsuccessful update perhaps?
21:03:12ballarchivator: tried adding a few podcasts to the thing, from my wife's Windows box
21:03:47archivatorball: did you "safely remove"?
21:03:51ballI'm going to try mounting it from my NetBSD box, to see what it says about the files
21:04:09ballarchivator: I ejected it, forgot about the windows system tray thing
21:04:18ball(can you tell I don't use Windows often? ;-)
21:05:00archivatorball: sounds like a corrupted file system.. try running chkdsk on windows and if needed, reinstall rockbox.
21:05:55ballMight be an opportunity for me to update my Rockbox anyway
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21:06:11ballIs there a version that scrolls more slowly? I can't read song titles and things that are scrolling
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21:06:17ball...because my LCD is too slow
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21:06:59gevaertsscroll speed is configurable
21:07:05ballLost cluster chain at cluster 246421
21:07:16ballLooks like you were right about the corrupt filesystem
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21:07:37ballCan I just newfs this, or does the firmware need specific things on the disk?
21:07:52gevaertsas long as it's FAT, you're fine
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21:08:05gevaertswhich player is this?
21:08:17balliPod Mini
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21:08:37ballAh, looks like I repaired the filesystem
21:08:46ball(fsck -t msdos /dev/sd0e)
21:08:56gevaertsok. Formatting should be fine then, as long as you don't touch the firmware partition. You'll need to reinstall rockbox of course, but the bootloader will still be there
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21:09:38ballgevaerts: I don't see the firmware partition
21:09:52gevaertsit's there :)
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21:10:10gevaertsit's of type 0, so maybe it gets ignored?
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21:11:04ball_gevaerts: I should see it in disklabel though
21:11:10ball_hang on
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21:11:55ballAh, my partition starts at sector 80325 there's a secret partition before that.
21:12:12ball...with Apple code in it?
21:12:21gevaertsyes. Also the rockbox bootloader
21:12:45gevaertslinux sees it just fine :)
21:13:04ballI'm tempted to newfs this anyway
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21:13:21ball(not the firmware partition, just the msdos part)
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21:14:35ballgevaerts: NetBSD interprets type 0 as "UNUSED"
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21:19:49ballOh well, at some point I'll update my Rockbox
21:20:03ball...does that have to be done on a specific OS?
21:20:26gevaertsone that can unzip files :)
21:20:33*ball grins
21:21:03hillshumhow'd you get it to begin with?
21:21:23ballhillshum: some years ago I probably downloaded it from somewhere
21:21:42gevaertshm, if it's a long time ago, you may need a new bootloader as well
21:21:45ballIt's too reliable though I've not messed with it.
21:22:51ballI wonder if I have 1st or 2nd gen iPod Mini
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21:23:00ballI'll try 2nd
21:23:16kako holy sh*.. there's a lot of people here!
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21:24:33ballHmm... pity the manual's a PDF
21:24:47hillshumthere's an html online
21:24:51gevaertsthere's also a html version, and of course the latex source
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21:25:09*hillshum wouldn't recommend the latex to anyone though
21:25:33archivatorgevaerts: do you think fft should find the highest frequency expressed and zoom in only the part below it? And perhaps pop up a message about being zoomed in and such?
21:25:37ballPerhaps I'll just unzip it, see what's inside
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21:26:28jaykay_kugel: is the last patch in FS #8523 complete?
21:26:50hillshumball: here
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21:27:21kugeljaykay_: should be
21:27:30ballUgh... I don't have unzip installed
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21:27:56jaykay_kugel: i'm just wondering about the 26 vs 83 insertions
21:29:42hillshumWhat is the output of a manual build supposed to look like?
21:30:17pixelmalong ;)
21:30:29bertrik100 pages of stuff scrolling by
21:30:37hillshumlike what filename is it?
21:30:41balloooh, I hope this works :-)
21:30:54hillshumI have no manual.pdf or anything
21:31:03bertrikif it asks for a filename, then something went wrong
21:31:28hillshumit didn't, but where is the finished product?
21:31:46gevaertsarchivator: that could be a nice idea, yes
21:31:50ballThe dishes are waiting for me to get this installed ;-)
21:32:04pixelmahillshum: did you do "make manual" or just "make" in a manual configured dir?
21:32:30pixelmatry the former
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21:32:45hillshumokay. I think it built the bin
21:33:54archivatorgevaerts: I'm trying to figure out what to do with spectrogram mode in that case. Half the spectrogram could be expressing one range and the rest - a wider range. That could be confusing..
21:34:28gevaertsarchivator: good point. Maybe provide manual zooming?
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21:34:47pixelmahillshum: ManualHowto in the wiki should tell you
21:34:51hillshumShould the error I got be due to the fact that I built an e200v2 manual?
21:35:13BigBambiSo are there any other offers for a better DevCon date that 19-21 June? I'd really like to buy some train tickets if not
21:35:48ballI have a .rockbox directory in the root of my iPod
21:35:56ball...I wonder what it will do :-)
21:35:58*domonoky wants to buy plane tickets, so i also want to know the devcon day
21:36:26hillshumball: that is where rockbox lives
21:36:45BigBambiFrom the table, the only person that can't make that weekend is mcuelenaere
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21:37:02BigBambiWhich is a shame, but I think we need a decision
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21:37:44ballokay, trying a reset now
21:37:53archivatorgevaerts: the keymap is already kind of large. I'd hate to add two more keys.. Besides, manual zooming doesn't solve the problem. The user would know that the range has changed but that doesn't make the spectrogram any less confusing. A pop up serves the same purpose.. I'm thinking of adding a border between the two parts but I'm not sure that'll help either.
21:38:27ball"Bad checksum"
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21:39:04ballI bricked it.
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21:40:06hillshumyou need to get into disk mode
21:40:17archivatorball: you can reset it with menu+select, then select+play to enter disk mode
21:40:45CtcpPing from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts
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21:40:48ballSelect+play isn't entering disk mode
21:41:22Lloreanball: Are you holding it from the instant the screen clears?
21:41:41ballLlorean: should I?
21:42:04ballAh good, that helped.
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21:42:20LloreanWhy aren't you using the utility, exactly?
21:42:32LloreanIf should be able to autodetect your player and install the right build for you.
21:42:35ballLlorean: Is the utility available for NetBSD?
21:43:23ballAnyone happen to have a cksum for ?
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21:43:42LloreanIt shouldn't extract if the .zip is bad
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21:43:48ball1572719508 1837539 /usr/home/ball/
21:43:48LloreanA bad checksum can also mean you've installed the wrong build.
21:44:01ballOkay, I'll try the 1st gen version
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21:44:22ball(learning about my iPod ;-)
21:44:52Lloreanball: The apple site has instructions for identifying generations of iPods. It's really best to take the time to learn first. You'd be kicking yourself if you'd really bricked it.
21:45:36ballIs it really only 1.8 Mbytes?
21:46:13ballLlorean: I have dishes to wash ;-)
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21:47:28ballAh, that looks promising
21:47:39ballVersion: 3.2-030323
21:47:48balloops -090323
21:48:13ballit's playing now
21:48:17ballThanks a lot for your help.
21:48:50ballI shall return once the dishes are done.
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21:56:25archivatorHmmm, when entering a plugin foreground and background colors are not reset to LCD_DEFAULT_[BF]G but are instead set to the theme's settings. Is that by design?
21:57:53rwcrcourtc: Sure, fire away.
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22:00:44BigBambiWould it be futile me sending another e-mail about DevCon to the dev list? Nobody replied to the first one, but I think it fairly important now that we decide on a date once and for all
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22:01:05courtcrwcr: pm alright? They aren't particularly rockbox oriented ;D
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22:01:40courtcrwcr: /msg rwcr Howdy. It's been a while.
22:01:44courtcdamn it.
22:01:57kugeljaykay_: all fine
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22:52:16MTlinuxstb : how was the patch ?
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23:13:01*LambdaCalculus37 tries linuxstb's suggestion of changing the $make variables in to "make -r" and "gmake -r"
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23:20:30LambdaCalculus37I think it's working. :)
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23:27:15LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Ping, your solution works! I can build the development environment now!
23:30:55*LambdaCalculus37 wonders if he should commit it or just post a patch to Flyspray for evaluation first
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23:32:13LambdaCalculus37 <−− Here's my change.
23:32:29LambdaCalculus37(and linuxstb's idea!)
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23:47:57linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: That's good news.
23:48:45rasherI'm guessing that this shouldn't break anything on other platforms?
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23:49:57MTlinuxstb : the patch ? :)
23:50:02LambdaCalculus37rasher: Hopefully not. But I'll create a patch, anyway.
23:50:16LambdaCalculus37And now I ran into another problem −−>
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23:51:00linuxstbMT: Hi ;) I've taken a quick look, and it's looking good.
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23:52:03MTlinuxstb : sweet , thanks! :)
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23:54:04linuxstbMT: One minor comment - your patch contains unrelated whitespace changes (adding/deleting blank lines, adding space characters to the end of lines etc). It would be nice if you could clean that.
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23:54:21linuxstbMT: Any patch you submit for Rockbox will be criticised for that problem as well.
23:55:15LambdaCalculus37I wonder if I should just build them one at a time.
23:55:28*LambdaCalculus37 can build for SH1 targets, at least...
23:55:43peturkugel, your last patch is 3 times smaller, is that because you have been committing parts of it?
23:56:19*petur finds his iriver remote under a pile of cables
23:56:58archivatorpetur: I believe it has to do with the fact that fs#9795 is now committed. (I remember him saying something along those lines)
23:57:13MTlinuxstb : oh ! I didn't watch out for that while editing the files .. I'll try to clean it up, ( noted for later editing too of course ) .. I could just remove those from the diff file, right ?
23:57:31JdGordon|as long as you remove it in chunks..
23:57:37linuxstbMaybe, although editing diff files can be tricky.
23:58:49peturbah, kugel uses the same name (-v8) for two patches...

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