#rockbox 2009-04-09

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#rockbox log for 2009-04-09

00:00:08	kugel	petur: huh? sorry, the latest one should be v9 then
00:00:18	JdGordon\|	or 8a
00:00:22	JdGordon\|	or.. :D
00:00:23	petur	heh
00:00:38	petur	and the size?
00:01:38	kugel	petur: I do it in another way now
00:01:47	kugel	9795 made it easier too
00:02:41	petur	ok, building now
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00:05:58	kugel	thanks
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00:09:33	LambdaCalculus37	My patch is up as FS #10108.
00:12:06	petur	kugel: looking ok...
00:13:05	kugel	cool
00:13:28	LambdaCalculus37	Test to heart's content. :)
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00:13:57	kugel	so this can finally go in (tomorrow) :)
00:14:02	kugel	petur: thanks for testing
00:14:33	petur	kugel: the issue I found last time was starting the playback via the remote, right?
00:14:57	kugel	yep
00:15:23	petur	that's ok now
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00:15:49	petur	for the rest I did a short check of some things and all appears to work as it should
00:16:19	kugel	the issue with the remote was actually in svn
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00:18:00	LambdaCalculus37	Any ideas to my second problem?
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00:20:14	rasher	LambdaCalculus37: build for one target at a time. kugel broke building multiple compilers at once, iirc
00:20:52	kugel	y :(, tried to fix it, but not fit enough in sh. maybe I should just revert the whole thing
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00:21:35	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Revert it or no more beer for you, young man. :)
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00:21:51	kugel	hehe
00:21:53	rasher	LambdaCalculus37: I'm pretty sure that's the issue you're seeing there
00:22:03	LambdaCalculus37	rasher: I believe it is.
00:22:04	kugel	gives fixing one more time, reverting is a shame :(
00:22:19	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: It's also a pain in the ass to have to build one arch at a time.
00:23:09	LambdaCalculus37	Oh!
00:23:29	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Can you try FS #10108 out?
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00:23:44	kugel	sure, but not today anymore
00:24:07	LambdaCalculus37	When you can, then.
00:24:21	*	LambdaCalculus37 wants to make absolutely sure it doesn't break anything
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00:29:27	Bagder	channels. Did you see
00:29:58	Hillshum	d
00:30:11	linuxstb	I have
00:30:57	*	gevaerts
00:35:00	Hillshum	Should the e200v2 manual build?
00:35:53	rasher	Don't think so
00:37:18	Bagder	so Lyre seems to change quite a bit for the next proto
00:37:45	scorche	good
00:37:48	Bagder	"LPC ARM9 + color LCD (16 bit colors + 240x ??) + Lion battery chaged by USB + SD Card + wheel and buttons" ...
00:38:05	*	Llorean still thinks wheels are a poor interface choice.
00:38:09	linuxstb	Sounds like a Sansa...
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00:38:22	scorche	linuxstb: a much more expensive sansa...
00:38:23	gevaerts	Llorean: tell that to the car industry :)
00:38:24	Bagder	an expensive sansa, yes
00:38:35	*	scorche wins
00:38:42	*	linuxstb thinks we should just send Casainho a Sansa...
00:38:48	Llorean	gevaerts: For MP3 players.
00:38:53	*	Hillshum likes tactile wheels
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00:41:18	Bagder	possibly this LPC then => http://www.standardics.nxp.com/products/lpc3000/datasheet/lpc3130.lpc3131.pdf
00:41:27	Llorean	I find buttons are more usable in my pocket than wheels.
00:41:39	Llorean	Bagder: is this the next generation Lyre, or is it a parallel effort?
00:41:43	Bagder	"Low-cost, low-power ARM926EJ microcontrollers with USB High-speed OTG, SD/MMC, and NAND flash controller"
00:42:02	Bagder	Llorean: hard to tell, but it sounds like this is the next prototype
00:42:26	Bagder	or could be at least
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00:42:59	Llorean	A target price of 120 Euro seems really expensive to me.
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00:43:19	Hillshum	how much storage?
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00:43:41	Hillshum	SD card only?
00:44:12	Llorean	There needs to be enough internal storage for a build of Rockbox, or you negate most of the value of having swappable storage.
00:44:19	Bagder	the LPC I linked to has a nand interface too, so it could have "native" nand too
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00:44:40	Hillshum	about a gig inside?
00:44:43	linuxstb	Or at least for the cfg file - Rockbox itself could be in (flash) ROM
00:45:03	Llorean	linuxstb: Codecs, plugins, fonts, and currently in-use theme should all probably reside wherever the binary is.
00:45:25	linuxstb	Llorean: Yes, in ROM... Although themes are trickier...
00:45:25	Bagder	Hillshum: there's nothing said about it so we're just guessing
00:45:27	Llorean	Otherwise you still have to manage keeping several cards in sync if you want to take advantage of the swappable aspect.
00:46:15	Llorean	I don't think you'd need to get above even 64MB of internal storage though, and that's assuming Rockbox grows a considerable amount.
00:47:42	Bagder	but no LPC seems to have internal flash anyway
00:47:59	Bagder	http://www.standardics.nxp.com/products/mcus/arm9/parametric/~LPC3131/?sub=03&family=26#LPC3131
00:49:29	Llorean	It sounds like it basically still has the shortcomings of previous designs then, just with a bigger screen and a wheel?
00:50:05	Bagder	pretty much my understanding too
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00:52:29	Llorean	But these are changes being made by the person who actually intends to sell it himself. In that case, I guess he knows what groups he wants to target with it.
00:53:22	Bagder	yes. Or he's just guessing...
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00:54:14	Llorean	Well yes. I mean though that he's making the change for his own sales, rather than trying to design a board that he's then going to try to convince someone else to sell.
00:55:18	*	Llorean still holds a small hope for a large HD "open" player.
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01:13:18	kugel	Bagder: do you know why rockboxdev complains if rbdev-build already exists?
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03:04:41	dreamlayers	kugel: FS #10020 allows resuming of rockboxdev.sh
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03:06:58	kugel	dreamlayers: that probably involves not deleting rbdev-build
03:07:28	kugel	I could fix it not doing this too, but I don't know why the current does just die if it already exists, maybe there's a reason
03:08:22	pixelma	dreamlayers: I saw your forum post about the backlight on v2 recorders issue. Maybe you could talk to amiconn (he's the still most active dev of Archos related things and has a v1 recorder too). Guess he'll only be available in a few hours though (it's 3AM here)
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03:09:22	dreamlayers	pixelma: Thanks, I'll talk to amiconn.
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05:26:04	webguest36	hey
05:26:06	webguest36	i need help with my sansa
05:26:16	webguest36	my version file seems to be corrupt?
05:26:23	webguest36	can anyone fix this for me?
05:26:32	advcomp2019	you need to use the e200tool
05:26:33	webguest36	and if i install rockbox will the fix my sansa
05:26:40	webguest36	i dont have linux though
05:27:46	webguest36	can someone help me
05:27:49	advcomp2019	there was an e200tool for windows but it was just buggy and out of date unlike the linux one
05:28:06	advcomp2019	you can download and burn a livecd
05:28:15	webguest36	where can i download the e200 tool for windows
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05:28:28	advcomp2019	you cant
05:28:55	webguest36	?
05:29:30	webguest36	so what im screwed
05:29:33	advcomp2019	you can not get the the e200tool for windows
05:29:47	webguest36	can someone do tht for me and send me the files?
05:29:50	advcomp2019	you can download and use a livecd
05:30:05	webguest36	the live cd i dont have lots of memory thats y
05:30:26	scorche	so?
05:30:26	webguest36	what is tango media digital platform? when i boot
05:30:32	webguest36	in manufactoring mode
05:30:59	advcomp2019	yes that is manufacturer mode.. windows does not have the driver tho
05:31:09	webguest36	would it fix the problem if i install rockbox?
05:31:13	webguest36	oh okay
05:31:41	webguest36	?
05:31:50	advcomp2019	you need a working sansa to install rockbox
05:31:57	webguest36	aw oh
05:32:05	webguest36	umm so m screwes
05:32:09	webguest36	screwed
05:32:23	webguest36	okay thanks
05:32:29	advcomp2019	you can download and use a livecd.. a livecd is free
05:33:03	scorche	webguest36: you arent screwed...once again, we have a nice guide on how to fix this on our wiki...you just need to use a livecd
05:33:07	webguest36	can someone do that for me and send me the files so i dont have to install linux
05:33:21	scorche	you dont have to install linux...use a livecd
05:33:31	webguest36	k lemme try
05:34:21	webguest36	where do i download the cd
05:34:50	advcomp2019	you can get ubuntu and it is a livecd
05:34:58	webguest36	okay
05:35:01	webguest36	live cd means?
05:35:08	scorche	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_CD
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05:36:37	Llorean	webguest36: There is nothing someone can do for you. It's something that has to be done with the broken player connected, so it can't be done by anyone else but you.
05:36:48	Llorean	You've been in here asking about it multiple times, and gotten the same answer each time.
05:36:54	webguest36	3 hrs download
05:37:05	webguest36	this is my first time here?
05:37:18	Llorean	No, it's not.
05:37:31	webguest36	um yes it is how are you gunna tel me
05:38:52	webguest36	now 6 hours
05:38:59	Llorean	webguest36: We don't need to know how long it's going to take you
05:39:48	webguest36	does it really take 6 hrs
05:41:28	Llorean	It depends on your connection speed. Very possibly.
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05:42:18	webguest36	thanks
05:52:17	webguest36	how about http://www.slax.org/get_slax.php
05:52:48	Llorean	Most linux liveCDs ought to work
05:53:13	webguest36	so no on the slax
05:54:03	Unhelpful	...he didn't say that at all
05:54:16	webguest36	?
05:54:17	webguest36	?
05:54:26	Unhelpful	that slax would not work.
05:54:41	webguest36	okay
05:55:07	advcomp2019	webguest36, any livecd will work.. it is all up to you
05:55:12	webguest36	okay
05:55:26	webguest36	its taking a long time thats why but i guess ill have to wait
05:55:46	webguest36	now this live cd wont hurt my computer correct?
05:56:24	Llorean	webguest36: It will not.
05:56:27	webguest36	k
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05:56:32	webguest36	thanks
05:56:33	Llorean	If you want to learn more about LiveCDs, please use google
05:56:39	Llorean	This channel is for questions about Rockbox.
05:59:22	webguest36	http://fixmysansa.blogspot.com/
05:59:54	Llorean	Please don't paste links unrelated to the channel topic.
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06:21:27	webguest36	whats the sever edition
06:21:28	webguest36	?
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06:28:18	scorche\|sh	20:56 < Llorean> If you want to learn more about LiveCDs, please use google
06:28:21	scorche\|sh	bah
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06:50:21	Linda	is there another more quicker way to download a live cd?
06:51:02	scorche\|sh	sure...get a faster internet connection
06:51:09	Linda	besides that
06:51:17	scorche\|sh	now please stop bringing up non-rockbox related topics here
06:51:31	Linda	kbjbjbn
06:51:32	Linda	jkmbklm
06:51:35	scorche\|sh	...
06:51:46	scorche\|sh	do you really want to go there?
06:51:53	Linda	no
06:51:57	scorche\|sh	then cut it out
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09:11:03	Ark74	can some one help me?, i'm trying Rockbox to display Album artwork
09:11:28	Ark74	but, so far not much information about it
09:12:12	Unhelpful	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt should cover pretty much everything you need
09:13:42	Ark74	thanks!
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09:44:48	pixelma	Bagder: could the daily manual page also state the current revision? It would be an indicator whether they are broken or not. Currently I'm looking at some pdfs as they state the build date in the beginning and are not replaced if the daily build failed, that's a bit tedious)
09:45:25	B4gder	a good idea!
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09:51:02	pixelma	for each target on its own, much like the build pages do
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09:59:09	nls_web	B4gder: can we get a big red "BROKEN!" printed under broken manuals too? :)
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10:00:49	pixelma	manual too
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12:38:06	robin0800	how can I correct this error configure didn't find sdl-config, which indicates that you
12:38:06	robin0800	don't have SDL (properly) installed. Please correct and
12:38:06	robin0800	re-run configure!
12:38:49	kugel	robin0800: get sdl1.2 developement packages
12:39:10	kugel	apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev on debian/ubuntu
12:43:03	robin0800	kugel: Thanks that fixed it
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14:44:22	spdif	H140, optical out, is Replay Gain applied to the optical signal ?.
14:45:11	spdif	or is all sound processing bypassed ?
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14:48:18	spdif	that was poorly phrased, is all sound processing bypassed with optical out ?.
14:50:57	rasher	spdif: Looks like you've caught us at a bad time.
14:52:07	spdif	yep, seems slow today, that's ok
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15:14:15	Bagder	LambdaCalculus37: I would expect the "expensive" part with a separate nand is the design of it
15:14:31	Bagder	not the cost of the physical circuit
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15:20:23	LambdaCalculus37	Bagder: Point taken. :)
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15:25:27	rasher	Bagder: that snippet you posted makes it seem like it's the entity manufacturing the adapter who has to pay, not someone reselling the thing
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16:41:27	IuDeX	Hi, so now playing is end on Sansa AMS? (end of work :) )
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16:46:46	LambdaCalculus37	IuDeX: Hardly. There are a lot of bugs and kinks to iron out. The Sansa AMS is not what I would call "ready for daily use".
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16:52:35	IuDeX	LambdacCalculus37: Thanks for reply. Now I'm using Rockbox "daily". I'm converting MP3's to 160kbit/s CBR. Maybe medium quality, but good "firmware" ;]
16:53:50	saratoga	very nice work funman
16:54:17	IuDeX	aa - 160kbit/s CBR My sansa plays without skips etc.
16:54:32	rasher	IuDeX: The daily build is from last night
16:55:45	Ubuntuxer	I added viewport support to my lib, which display formated text. FS #10099
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16:57:56	IuDeX	rasher: I know :)
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17:00:30	naisho2	Hello everyone.
17:01:45	naisho2	Woot has the 4th generation iPod nano (8gb) on sale today for $100.
17:02:05	naisho2	The problem is, I've been running Rockbox on my stuff since I got my 1st gen Nano.
17:03:06	naisho2	I don't want to be pushy but is there any chance that Rockbox will work on this new Nano within a reasonable timeframe? Currently I'm using an iPod Video 30Gb and everything is working great but I like the responsiveness of the flash based hardware.
17:03:51	naisho2	Also, since I'm running Linux I'd really rather not have to install Apple's proprietary software to get my own music on my own hardware.
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17:04:54	naisho2	Thanks for your work so far, Rockbox is great and I recommend it to anyone who has the hardware to run it.
17:05:33	gevaerts	naisho2: the newer ipods have encrypted firmware. It's very doubtful if rockbox will ever run on them I think
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17:10:23	funman	hi!
17:11:02	DarkSpectrum-	wonder why apple did that, you would think with a more functional firmware "rockbox" they would sell even more units
17:11:07	naisho2	gevaerts: thanks for the response. I was wondering why new models hadn't been added in such a long time.
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17:11:31	naisho2	But Rockbox negates iTunes :)
17:11:52	gevaerts	you know there are other brands out there, right?
17:12:01	DarkSpectrum	you can still buy from itunes without connecting the ipod
17:12:04	DarkSpectrum	cant you?
17:12:25	funman	i need some info about recording : can the simulator emulate recording ? the simulator stubs appear to be here just to enable compilation
17:12:53	DarkSpectrum	naiso: i just picked up another Sansa c240 yesterday from microcenter for $20, consider that if you want a cheap rockboxable player
17:13:02	naisho2	gevaerts: yes, but I had a bad Zune experience. I know there's the iRiver and others but iPod's are fairly well constructed, even though the audio quality is so-so
17:13:06	DarkSpectrum	naisho2*
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17:13:44	gevaerts	funman: congratulations :)
17:14:21	funman	gevaerts: well i found my own mistakes :o
17:14:31	naisho2	DarkSpectrum: Can't go wrong with microcenter, eh? I love that place.
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17:15:10	funman	now perhaps we can get some Sansa AMS in rockbox 3.3 !
17:15:40	DarkSpectrum	if i knew how to code i'd help with that, i want rockbox on my clip badly
17:16:39	funman	DarkSpectrum: perhaps you can work on keymaps for plugins, it's quite easy : you only have to modify a (simple) source file
17:16:59	DarkSpectrum	i wouldnt even know where to start
17:17:15	gevaerts	funman: it's hard to find bugs in other people's code if you've done most of the work yourself :)
17:17:22	DarkSpectrum	my only programing experiance is with gwbasic and qbasic over a decade ago
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17:18:50	funman	DarkSpectrum: look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide
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17:19:46	funman	Bagder: did you reply to AMS yet ?
17:19:53	DarkSpectrum	lol i allready have the build enviroment setup
17:20:11	funman	DarkSpectrum: then just look at apps/keymaps/keymap-clip.c ^^
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17:20:44	funman	and also every individual .c file in apps/plugins (search for "CLIP_PAD" to find the keys mapping)
17:20:45	saratoga	funman: trying out your patches now
17:20:48	DarkSpectrum	you know anything object oriantated just confuses the hell outta me
17:21:10	funman	saratoga: cool! if you have an idea to speed up unaligned transfers just tell :)
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17:22:15	DarkSpectrum	what exactly needs to be done to the key maps?
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17:23:02	DarkSpectrum	heya kugel
17:23:55	DarkSpectrum	i seen your reply to my bug report, why does normal setting disable the backlight on hold when "off" does the same thing?
17:23:57	kugel	funman: I haven't tried the patches yet, but I find it unbelievable that the ATTR_ICODE etc one didn't work when I tried to implement it
17:24:02	kugel	anyway, great job
17:24:25	funman	kugel: the problem was especially on iram size/origin overwriting in app & plugin
17:24:31	wpyh	funman: with your patches, the backdrop corruption is gone
17:24:44	wpyh	however, ogg and mp3 playback are broken now...
17:24:52	funman	but this brings another problem : why some codecs don't use ATTR_ICODE etc, but directly .icode section ?
17:25:02	funman	wpyh: hum .. on e200v2 ?
17:25:25	wpyh	ogg files can't play (they just skip), mp3 files either get "codec failure" or "Undefined instruction at 00010C64"
17:25:26	DarkSpectrum	funman: i'm tryin to do a SVN update, any reason it's running super slow?
17:25:27	kugel	funman: well, I tried giving the core 0x10000 and codecs&plugins 0x40000. It booted, but codecs just skipped tracks
17:25:31	funman	did you update the codecs as well ? (make clean sometimes help)
17:25:35	wpyh	ah, sorry: it's on a 8GB Fuze
17:25:59	kugel	funman: yes
17:26:17	saratoga	funman: did you ever get a datasheet for the as353x?
17:26:36	saratoga	i wouldn't worry too much about transfer speeds right now, without USB they're basically irrelevent anyway
17:26:42	wpyh	I didn't do a make clean, but I see that the codecs are updated (the time stamps are new)
17:26:42	funman	saratoga: no, I put Bagder and my AMS contact in relation, but i don't know if Bagder answered
17:26:44	kugel	well, I didn't always do make clean, but they've always been re-LD'd
17:27:09	saratoga	ok i hope we get that soon
17:27:15	saratoga	i'm very curious to find out whats changed
17:27:19	funman	wpyh: i think the iram copy routine isn't written if you don't use make clean
17:27:31	saratoga	i reran configure to be safe
17:27:32	funman	some dependancies problem :/
17:27:34	wpyh	funman: hmm... ok, I'll try again
17:27:43	kugel	funman: so, if that works, I'd like to give the codecs the same as they get from PP's iram (128k), and use the rest for drivers
17:27:45	funman	i've been listening mp3 all night long !
17:28:03	funman	kugel: sure, and perhaps put the big lcd framebuffer in iram
17:28:13	funman	and also the buffer we use for unaligned ata dma transfers
17:28:21	DarkSpectrum	vim ~/rockbox-20666/apps/keymaps/keymap-clip.c
17:28:28	DarkSpectrum	whoops sorry
17:28:55	kugel	funman: yup, that all worked when I tried it, scrollwheel was noticeably smoother with button driver in iram.
17:29:01	kugel	it was just the codecs that didn't work
17:29:24	saratoga	kugel: I'd like to give drivers the same as they got on PP, and use the rest for codecs
17:29:43	kugel	saratoga: how many has PP in general?
17:29:50	funman	perhaps you noticed that : sometimes there is a scrollwheel when i just use one of the 4 directions buttons
17:29:59	kugel	there's nothing giving mroe than PP to codecs, so anything more is wasted
17:29:59	saratoga	96/128kb total with 48kb for core
17:30:03	funman	this is especially boring in minesweeper, doom and pegbox :/
17:30:07	saratoga	i can fix that
17:30:17	saratoga	do you have some use for the IRAM in mind?
17:30:32	funman	world domination !
17:30:38	DarkSpectrum	funman: ok what am i lookin at here? what do i need to do?
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17:30:49	saratoga	codecs use 90%+ of the CPU time so they seem the obvious place to use fast memory
17:31:03	funman	DarkSpectrum: modify the file until you find button navigation intuitive and consistent
17:31:17	DarkSpectrum	ummmm ok
17:31:22	kugel	funman: that could be fixed I think. reset the internal counter if there's 1 or 2 ticks of "silence"
17:32:18	funman	kugel: i didn't want to look at this since you know well that part, but i wondered if i was the only one to see this problem
17:32:31	kugel	saratoga: no, not yet. However, I put most drivers into IRAM (buttons, lcd, framebuffer), it already used upto 0x20000. if you can find use for the other 0x30000, go ahead :)
17:32:51	DarkSpectrum	wow ok from a quick skim, i guess you are right it is messed up... how do you sugest i test my changes? with the clip simulator?
17:32:54	kugel	funman: no, I have that too, but didn't find it annoying enough yet
17:33:06	DarkSpectrum	hey kugel......
17:33:10	DarkSpectrum	i seen your reply to my bug report, why does normal setting disable the backlight on hold when "off" does the same thing?
17:33:11	kugel	hi...
17:33:14	saratoga	music is working!
17:33:15	funman	DarkSpectrum: on the simulator or on the clip, as you like
17:33:31	funman	gevaerts: so, are you volunteering to write usb driver for sansa ams ?
17:33:39	DarkSpectrum	funman: i have a v2 clip and i'm not comfortable tryin to load it on there yet
17:33:50	saratoga	kugel: is there any sense in putting button drivers into IRAM? they're probably not CPU intensive
17:33:56	funman	DarkSpectrum: ok, so on the simulator then (clipv2 doesn't work at all)
17:33:57	saratoga	or rather memory intensive
17:34:13	FlynDice	funman: patching right now, you da man!!
17:34:14	DarkSpectrum	also hae 1xe260, 3xc240 :)
17:34:27	DarkSpectrum	have*
17:35:19	funman	FlynDice: i tried your patch applied on top of these, but didn't see much difference :/ now at least we removed some unrelated problems!
17:35:39	gevaerts	funman: I'll thinks about it :)
17:35:40	saratoga	I was thinking we could put the entire MP3, WMA, FLAC, MPC codecs in IRAM, and maybe have enough left over to put some of the playback/DSP stuff there as well
17:35:46	DarkSpectrum	OMG!! compile is gonna take forever!!
17:35:52	funman	see you, and keep on rocking : Sansa AMS in rockbox 3.3 !
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17:36:12	DarkSpectrum	argh i need a new system
17:36:18	kugel	saratoga: but they should be accessed as fast as possible
17:36:42	kugel	e.g. the button driver is polled every 10ms
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17:37:01	saratoga	yeah but it likely accesses memory very little, so what good is IRAM?
17:37:06	kugel	we have really enough iram. I don't think we need to fight about what gets how much
17:37:06	*	wpyh wonders where funman went
17:37:28	kugel	saratoga: the code can also be in iram, not only data
17:37:38	saratoga	145MHz for MP3 decoding
17:37:43	DarkSpectrum	hey anyone know where to get a super cheap mobo and chip?
17:37:55	saratoga	i'm guessing the cache is not on?
17:38:01	kugel	in svn not, no
17:38:26	saratoga	the mp3 codec is probably 90% in IRAM already though
17:38:38	kugel	DarkSpectrum: did you want to tell me anything?
17:38:45	DarkSpectrum	i seen your reply to my bug report, why does normal setting disable the backlight on hold when "off" does the same thing?
17:38:52	DarkSpectrum	just that :)
17:39:26	kugel	normal is probably a bad name. the only difference to off is that off turns it off on switching, while normal lets the normal timeout turn it off
17:39:50	*	wpyh hears sound on his Fuze!
17:39:58	kugel	the buttons aren't even read in the drivers while hold is on so they couldn't even switch the light on
17:40:14	DarkSpectrum	yeah thats kinda deceptive, by it's name i thought it would act as it does on the OF, letting it turn back on with a keypress while hold is on
17:40:21	DarkSpectrum	my bad then
17:41:16	kugel	DarkSpectrum: toggling hold off with turn the light on too, if you only want the light on shortly
17:41:30	DarkSpectrum	yeah thats basically what i wanted
17:41:53	DarkSpectrum	is it possible to change the drivers, if so maybe i'll learn some coding and look into it
17:42:21	*	DarkSpectrum wants to contribute more to rockbox then just themes anyway
17:42:39	wpyh	mp3 playback works on the Fuze after I removed the whole build directory and made a new fresh build
17:42:47	kugel	it should be possible yes, but we don't want that
17:42:53	DarkSpectrum	oh
17:42:55	kugel	hold handling is mostly software
17:43:09	kugel	well, I can't speak for everyone, but I wouldn't want that
17:43:26	DarkSpectrum	what needs work then on either the Sansa E's or C's ?
17:43:38	kugel	backlight is the most power consuming part. using hold is not only a matter of not pressung buttons accidentally, but also to save battery
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17:44:00	kugel	one of the most*
17:44:03	midijunkie	mp3 + wma playback works on my fuze, nice :>
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17:44:30	DarkSpectrum	yeah but the 3 settings for backlight would at least allow the option if someone wanted that functionality without haveing to constantly flip the hold switch
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17:45:16	kugel	well, I have set it to off, I could probably live with it when normal let's the backlight go on
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17:46:04	DarkSpectrum	i just really miss that functionality from the OF, i light keypress turning the backlight on while on hold
17:48:08	DarkSpectrum	anyway, i'm lookin to get into something here... what needs to be done for either the sasna e's or c's ?
17:48:25	saratoga	hmm had test disk crash and dump me back at the menu
17:48:41	saratoga	though its working now
17:51:15	scorche\|sh	DarkSpectrum: this is why we have flyspray ;)
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17:52:10	DarkSpectrum	how do i tell from that what is or is not being worked on?
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17:52:47	DarkSpectrum	wb
17:55:40	saratoga	i'm testing on a fuze 4gb
17:56:01	kugel	since when do you have another fuze, btw?
17:57:37	saratoga	i bought one a week ago
17:57:50	wpyh	ok
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17:58:59	wpyh	well, I get a weird behaviour: I was playing an mp3, then when it finishes playing, playback stops (I set Repeat:All, Shuffle:Yes). then when I resume playback, it starts in the middle of another song
17:59:04	wpyh	couldn't reproduce it though...
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18:01:08	saratoga	theres definately still some bugs, i'm getting periodic crashes in test_codec
18:03:07	wpyh	well... ok. at least it's very usable now. are the crashes in test_codec reproducible everytime?
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18:27:53	gartral	i have something to point out with the Lyre project and the SD Royalties issue, which is: what not use MMC over SD?
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18:29:22	gevaerts	gartral: because you can't get MMC cards in decent sizes?
18:29:25	rasher	gartral: Because MMC is old?
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18:31:59	rasher	Also expensive
18:32:25	pixelma	4GB is already ok but of course sizes you can get with SDHC are better (and the announced 8GB cards were never available for end users)
18:32:38	pixelma	s/cards/MMCs
18:32:43	rasher	pixelma: I can't even find a 4GB MMC here.
18:33:47	pixelma	those exist for quite some time already
18:33:58	pixelma	often called "MMC plus" or so
18:34:31	rasher	Not available in any web shop in Denmark.
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18:34:53	rasher	There are 2GB MMC+ cards..
18:35:09	amiconn	4GB should basically always be MMC plus
18:35:31	amiconn	2GB come as either MMC plus or plain MMC
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18:38:28	rasher	Basically impossible to find a 4GB card it seems. Whereas 16GB SD cards are plentiful
18:38:56	rasher	And MMC cards are generally rather scarce (and thus expensive)
18:39:11	amiconn	Menawhile they are, unfortunately :/
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18:41:15	*	amiconn can find several offer for 4GB MMCs (although Trancend - the slightly probelmatic ones for Odnio use)
18:41:32	amiconn	Prices starting at €12.47
18:42:06	gartral	too bad the Super Digital creators didn't make a host, only media... not like we'll ever use the DRM features of SD :/
18:42:22	rasher	But anyway, I believe my point is made about MMC being expensive and hard to find compared to SD
18:42:36	gartral	rasher: yes
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18:51:01	gartral	hmm. rbutil says "Problem detected: Target mismatch detected, Installed target: <blank>, Selected Target Sansa E200" this is on ubuntu 8.10, but if i continue, rockbox is installed properly :/
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19:00:59	LambdaCalculus37	gartral: That problem's been fixed and is in SVN, but we just have to roll a new rbutil.
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19:17:46	bertrik	are there any plans to commit the work by funman soon?
19:18:01	snizwickit	what did funman do?
19:18:11	gevaerts	he wrote code :)
19:18:28	snizwickit	i mean what did he add?
19:18:30	bertrik	FS #10113 and FS #10114
19:18:55	gevaerts	bertrik: I think it should be committed, preferably by someone who has tested it :)
19:19:30	bertrik	gevaerts, what are you waiting for :) ?
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19:20:32	bertrik	ok, I'll test and commit then
19:21:02	webguest24	Is MP3 playback on the Clip stable with the new patch? Or is it for Fuze only?
19:21:38	bertrik	I don't quite understand fully why funman can't commit himself
19:23:07	bertrik	maybe I should wait
19:23:36	BigBambi	bertrik: Not much net access if I recall
19:23:43	gevaerts	bertrik: I understand that he doesn't have internet access on his development PC
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19:31:01	saratoga	putting a bunch of stuff in IRAM decreases the CPU clock by 10MHz to 135MHz
19:31:03	moos	funman shoote again. A nice hope from him to have AMS targets on the next release
19:31:05	saratoga	for MP3
19:31:40	saratoga	i think pretty much the whole codec is in IRAM at this point so I'm not sure why its still so slow, unless theres a lot of variables that don't show up in the .map in DRAM
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19:32:21	gevaerts	what does objdump say?
19:32:37	saratoga	i didn't realize it could check this
19:32:39	bertrik	it still glitches and crashes with FS #10114
19:32:42	bertrik	on my clip
19:33:08	gevaerts	try objdump −−syms
19:34:11	bertrik	I think we should have another critical look at the AMS sansa clocking, it has two PLLs and various dividers and I think we're not using them optimally yet
19:37:40	saratoga	looks like some of the imdct stuff is in dram
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19:52:40	saratoga	now i'm sure everything is in IRAM, but its still quite slow
19:53:09	saratoga	also test_codec doesn't crash, it just stops updating the screen sometimes, I'm not sure why
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20:02:48	*	freqmod_qu has added a problem report
20:02:55	freqmod_qu	to the forum thread
20:04:34	bertrik	I think problem reports for a specific patch should go to the tracker to leave the forum thread for reporting progress
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20:11:56	freqmod_qu	i don't think the patch is the reason for the problem
20:12:26	freqmod_qu	more that it was not possible to find the problem before the patch as playback was too flaky
20:12:58	saratoga	i wonder if the test_codec weirdness is related to the LCD update patch
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20:37:14	spdif	H140, when using optical out are all the sound settings and replay gain bypassed ?
20:39:55	saratoga	no
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20:42:35	spdif	thanks
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20:49:52	bertrik	saratoga, commit funman's patches?
20:50:45	bertrik	I got a few playback stops, but at least mp3 playback is an order of magnitude more stable now on my clip
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20:55:37	Slasheri	watchin machinae supremacy live :)
20:55:56	gevaerts	You ported rockbox to a concert venue?
20:56:18	Slasheri	=)
20:59:35	wincent	Ready for the interview.
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21:00:33	wincent	BigBambi: ping
21:00:46	BigBambi	wincent: stand by :)
21:01:42	pixelma	Slasheri: did you see the attached fix in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9093 and/or could you have a look at it? Admittedly I also only discovered it yesterday and haven't tried yet but wouldn't dare committing it anyways
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21:07:02	BigBambi	wincent: check your PMs
21:07:10	wincent	I'm there.
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21:28:02	webguest2009	Hello, this is rkoch70, is this a place to find out how to resolve issues like video not playing in rockbox for Sansa e200 and proper video encoding settings?
21:28:55	BigBambi	webguest2009: read www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
21:29:48	webguest2009	What about finding the files for the games titles that appear to be loaded in the initial install but when you go to play it, it says missing file?
21:30:00	webguest2009	Big Bambi, thanks, i'll check it out.
21:31:13	evilnick	webguest2009: Which games?
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21:33:52	webguest2009	pretty much all but the doom one. Things like PaxBox, etc don't have the files with them so I don't know why it would be included.
21:34:38	evilnick	webguest2009: Reading the manual would probably be a good idea
21:34:57	evilnick	But for the pacbox plugin: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox
21:35:05	webguest2009	I have but it doesn't give me the location to download the files.
21:35:23	evilnick	"To play Pacman, you'll need a copy of the Pacman ROMs from a Midway Pacman or Puckman arcade board."
21:35:56	BigBambi	webguest2009: That's because it is illegal to download them, you need to rip the ROMs from the arcade machine
21:35:58	BigBambi	that you own
21:36:09	*	_Auron_ has pacman on his G1, heh
21:36:29	webguest2009	Thanks all. Have a good day.
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21:59:31	BigBambi	talex: excellent
21:59:42	BigBambi	talex: one mo, I'll PM you
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23:23:25	saratoga	how do I get svn to spit out the history of a file?
23:23:58	dionoea	svn log thefile
23:24:09	Ubuntuxer	I wrote a lib, which display formated texts and fits it to the screensize. I seized a suggestion from JdGordon to add viewport support. Please test it and give me feedback. FS #10099
23:24:20	*	LambdaCalculus37 was too slow :)
23:24:28	dionoea	:)
23:27:10	saratoga	so if i want to look at earlier revisions i actually have to check them out?
23:27:59	gevaerts	saratoga: svn cat
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23:30:25	pixelma	you could also try viewvc
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23:42:18	MT	linuxstb : ping
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23:46:02	DarkSpectrum	i think i've found a bug but i'm not sure if it's intended function or not, Sansa C240 while pluged into USB power and playing a song the virtual led keeps flashing
23:46:05	MT	linuxstb : just something that I've been thinking about, I believe the standalone converter can, and should, be finished and mature by 13th of july (midterm evaluation), that leaves the rest of the time for fixed-point conversion and adapting the codec to rockbox
23:48:05	MT	linuxstb : I'm really sorry, but the timeline was somewhat blurry in my head when I said that the demuxer (only) should be working by that date, but considering my state back then, I hope it's tolerable. :)
23:48:47	MT	BigBambi , gevaerts, domonoky : ^^
23:49:48	BigBambi	MT: Could you add that as a comment?
23:50:12	MT	BigBambi : Sure. I just hope I'm not too late ?
23:50:28	BigBambi	Nope :)
23:50:52	MT	Thank you. :)
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