00:00:17 | Hillshum | I'll do it once I have your name |
00:00:41 | arez-l | i cannot make a (at) on this vm O.o ... gonna google it and copy/paste xD |
00:01:11 | Hillshum | at? |
00:01:56 | arez-l | @ |
00:02:36 | arez-l | done installing the compiler |
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00:04:42 | arez-l | the wiki refers to the stable rockbox ,what files should i get for testing? |
00:05:05 | Hillshum | what patches? |
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00:05:45 | arez-l | what do you mean? |
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00:06:11 | Hillshum | where does it refer to stable rockbox? |
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00:06:30 | arez-l | i think so at least |
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00:06:48 | arez-l | what files do i need if i want to get your latest work for testing ? |
00:07:18 | Hillshum | first try compiling an unchanged build to make sure it all works |
00:07:43 | Hillshum | and get shared folders up in Vbox |
00:08:40 | arez-l | now iam doing svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
00:08:54 | Hillshum | did you do that already? |
00:09:28 | arez-l | not done so far |
00:09:43 | arez-l | now |
00:10:03 | arez-l | sorry for asking so much but i never compiled before and iam not quite sure about what the wiki says |
00:10:27 | arez-l | now i got /rockbox in my home dir containing several folders |
00:10:59 | Hillshum | Have you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling ? |
00:11:23 | arez-l | :D there is a simple version? thank god! |
00:11:32 | arez-l | gonna work trough it |
00:14:39 | Hillshum | Arez-l you can skip to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling#Compiling |
00:16:26 | Hillshum | also, before you can get Rockbox to work you'll need the bootloader http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaAMS#Bootloader_Installation |
00:18:05 | arez-l | sry, didnt see your msg, i followed the guide already up to compiling but i get some errors (http://pastie.org/443290) |
00:19:40 | BigBambi | arez-l: after you ran rockboxdev.sh did you put the cross compilers into your PATH as instructed? |
00:20:04 | Hillshum | copy "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" to your $HOME/.bashrc file and relogin |
00:20:25 | arez-l | i copied it but i didnt relog |
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00:21:18 | arez-l | O.O ... its already 0:20 here... i need to get some sleep now |
00:21:31 | arez-l | tomottow i will try to get a working bootloader |
00:21:34 | arez-l | tomorrow* |
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00:21:59 | arez-l | if i use a patched firmware, is it still possible to update the OF of the player? |
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00:22:40 | Hillshum | you will need to repatch it |
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00:23:16 | arez-l | okay |
00:23:44 | arez-l | good night, and thanks for your help |
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00:24:29 | Hillshum | But 3.01.16 will be the last so I wouldn't worry |
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01:03:53 | Unhelpfu- | amiconn: actually, looking at the idct routines in our decoder, they seem to have been adapted from the IJG ones, or at least many of the macros are the same in their names and implementations. perhaps the best way to go is to adapt our existing decoder to process the file in by rows, and then port more idct routines if we want more scaling options. |
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01:12:48 | kugel | Unhelpful: I have audio drop outs in pictureflow on my fuze |
01:13:03 | kugel | is pictureflow yield()ing enough? |
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01:16:28 | Unhelpful | per slide rendered... you could try moving the yield() in render_slide up a bit. i'd try first moving it up to the top, before any cases where it returns early - this will make it yield per slide even if none of the slide is actually drawn. that will only matter if you've got the number of slides set high enough that it's trying to draw many slides that are not on screen. |
01:17:01 | Unhelpful | you could move it inside the column render loop, which will make it yield per column, but i really think that might be excessive. |
01:17:39 | Unhelpful | it could also be that it's the load thread that's not yielding enough, but that yields per slide loaded, and i rather doubt that we really need to yield in between reads while loading a slide. |
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01:18:33 | * | Llorean adds a "Third Party" section to the forums. |
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01:19:44 | BigBambi | Looks good |
01:20:29 | kugel | Unhelpful: only drop outs while drawing |
01:20:40 | BigBambi | I also like the Getting Started change to Starting Development |
01:20:45 | Llorean | If the Third Party one gets particularly busy, I'll add sub-boards like in Manual Installation for categories of tools, like "Video Conversion" etc. |
01:20:54 | Unhelpful | you mean while scrolling? |
01:21:36 | Llorean | BigBambi: Yeah, I decided "Getting Started" was too ambiguous and inclined people to ask "How do I run this program?" questions there occasionally |
01:21:56 | BigBambi | yes, I agree |
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01:22:46 | Llorean | Should "feature ideas" be moved to development maybe? |
01:24:14 | BigBambi | not sure |
01:24:36 | BigBambi | Trouble with Feature Ideas is that there is arse all development talk in there normally |
01:24:41 | Llorean | Indeed. |
01:24:54 | BigBambi | It is just people saying this'd be cool |
01:25:03 | Llorean | If it were under "Development" maybe that'd be a clue what it's actually _for_ in a way. |
01:25:09 | Llorean | But I also just think the board is a bit imbalanced right now. |
01:25:27 | BigBambi | Llorean: You have faith in humanity :) |
01:26:06 | Llorean | I also kinda want to put hardware somewhere else |
01:26:10 | Llorean | But there's nowhere to put it. |
01:26:14 | Llorean | I'd like to split up general, basically |
01:26:36 | BigBambi | Ye, it looks too big right now |
01:26:52 | Llorean | Into something representing the project itself (webpage, community, etc), something for using the program (most of the existing categories), etc. |
01:28:02 | BigBambi | That's be good |
01:29:53 | BigBambi | I think feature ideas could probably move |
01:31:48 | Llorean | BigBambi: Okay, how's the new layout? |
01:32:02 | * | Llorean thinks this also, slightly, clarifies that Plugins is for discussion of the included ones, not development of them. |
01:32:59 | BigBambi | Llorean: I like it |
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01:42:02 | kugel | Unhelpful: yes |
01:46:20 | Unhelpful | kugel: the loading thread generally only does work during scrolling... perhaps you'd best start there. i can't imagine i/o is *slow* on fuze, though... |
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01:53:21 | kugel | Unhelpful: *i*? :) |
01:54:57 | Unhelpful | kugel: the thread that loads cache items into memory. it's basically constantly busy while scrolling. the render (main) thread doesn't do any more work at once while scrolling than while not - every screen update == draw the whole screen again. |
01:56:00 | * | amiconn still wants to know what's the cause of the missing slide bug in PF on the beast |
01:56:10 | Unhelpful | amiconn: the what? |
01:57:13 | amiconn | I've put album .bmps on all my targets which support PF. On the beast, two albums show the ? slide which do have a bmp |
01:57:54 | Unhelpful | amiconn: even when they're centered? :/ |
01:58:30 | amiconn | One of the non-working BMPs is even bitwise identical to another one in a different folder, which does work |
01:58:59 | amiconn | (it's a two-disc album, and I store two-disc albums in subfolders 'CD1' and 'CD2') |
01:59:25 | Unhelpful | are all of yours simply cover.bmp? |
01:59:29 | amiconn | yes |
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02:00:13 | rasher | Did you ever tell us if it worked in the WPS or not? |
02:00:25 | Unhelpful | weird... i had hoped it might be a funky case issue, but if you're not using <album>.bmp, that seems less likely |
02:00:39 | amiconn | And I'm using the same directory structure and the same BMP files on all the targets, except the archoses and the c200 |
02:01:12 | Unhelpful | (to clarify, the "file not found" issue i suspect is somehow case-related - even the rockbox.tar trick doesn't work on my beast if i create the /content dir with the wrong case) |
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02:01:34 | rasher | amiconn: Does the missing cover work in the WPS? |
02:01:45 | * | amiconn still needs to try |
02:02:31 | Unhelpful | amiconn: by the way, have you tried the M3 at all during or since the PF keymap rework? it's never worked in sim, because of remote buttons, so it's basically the only supported target i've not verified... |
02:05:07 | amiconn | rasher: Yes, the two missing covers do work in an AA WPS |
02:05:34 | * | rasher washes his hands |
02:05:41 | Unhelpful | amiconn: that's bizarre in the extreme, because the same search function is used :/ |
02:06:01 | rasher | It must be the loading that fails, then? |
02:06:05 | Unhelpful | perhaps adding a logf on cover not found might be a *start* at debugging it? |
02:06:57 | Unhelpful | rasher: i don't really see how... loading can fail for EOM (pretty much impossible) or for file not found (but then a cover shouldn't have been located?) |
02:07:38 | Unhelpful | EOM is very unlikely, as the scaler only needs the output buffer to be as large as the desired output slide, + 12 rows, and it has the entire plugin buffer |
02:07:42 | rasher | Yeah, really no idea.. |
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02:11:53 | Unhelpful | hrm, that's <256KB even for a full-screen load on beast |
02:13:35 | amiconn | I've checked the .pfraw files, as the numbering matches the order in PF itself. The .pfraw files are indeed missing, so it's the cache building that fails |
02:16:05 | Llorean | soap: Removed your post, added a bit to mine. Need more category names though. |
02:19:09 | Unhelpful | amiconn: it also splashes on failing to load the bmp, or failing to write the pfraw. so maybe get_albumart_for_index_from_db fails? |
02:20:54 | Llorean | soap: Oh, and updated all the subjects (so that your post became irrelevant) |
02:21:19 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Yes, that it what fails |
02:21:44 | * | amiconn just added a splash that tells me the index of a failing lookup |
02:21:54 | amiconn | s/me/him/ |
02:24:13 | Unhelpful | so it's either failing to get a track for the album from the DB, which seems unlikely, or the id3 entry is somehow populated differently than when core loads AA, or core's search_albumart_files is somehow failing when PF calls it, but not when the core buffer thread calls it... |
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02:28:35 | soap | I just moved over the ones which came up on some simple searches. Didn't dig deep. |
02:28:44 | * | rasher senses he's not off the hook yet |
02:29:33 | amiconn | One step deeper in the call chain: search_albumart_files() is what fails (like it does for those covers which are actually missing) |
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02:31:21 | rasher | This does not make sense. Especially since you just use cover.bmp?! |
02:31:41 | rasher | Mad |
02:31:48 | amiconn | It's a mystery, but it's also a fact |
02:31:59 | amiconn | I know that the core uses the very same function |
02:32:09 | rasher | I guess it's not looking in the right dir when looking for cover.bmp? |
02:32:23 | rasher | Somehow.. |
02:32:59 | Unhelpful | perhaps the struct mp3entry (somehow) has different contents? how is it filled by core? |
02:33:49 | rasher | Can codepage stuff be involved? Does it use non-ascii characters? |
02:33:59 | rasher | The path |
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02:40:53 | amiconn | No it doesn't. And if it would be a path issue - why does it only happen on the beast, but neither on H340 nor ipod color nor H180 nor X5 nor... |
02:41:35 | amiconn | Actually, one of the paths does involve non-ascii, but the other doesn't |
02:42:56 | rasher | Well it's not like we have any *obvious* guesses left |
02:43:18 | amiconn | Ahem.... |
02:44:07 | amiconn | Really weird issue: The two albums in question do exist twice on my beast - once in mp3 format, and a second time in ape format |
02:44:20 | amiconn | Guess where PF looks... |
02:44:52 | amiconn | The ape version is in my test folder - without cover bitmaps... |
02:45:21 | Unhelpful | does your test folder have a database.ignore? |
02:45:26 | amiconn | nope |
02:45:41 | Llorean | And the WPS was showing them when played from filetree, rather than database, I assume? |
02:46:01 | rasher | Llorean: won't matter, unless amiconn specifically plays the APE |
02:46:15 | amiconn | Llorean: yes |
02:46:24 | rasher | I'm not sure we can blame this on anything but user error |
02:46:28 | amiconn | But that shows something - if an album exists more than once in the db, PF only checks the first occurence for cover bitmaps |
02:46:31 | Llorean | rasher: that's what I mean though. They showed in the WPS, which would happen if you directly selected the MP3, but I assume the copy visible in the database is probably also the .ape. |
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02:47:09 | rasher | Llorean: won't it appear in the db twice? |
02:47:14 | * | Llorean thinks "Duplicate Album Support in multiple formats" isn't really something that's even been attempted. |
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02:47:23 | amiconn | The database shows the album once - with all tracks duplicated... |
02:47:25 | Llorean | rasher: I don't know. |
02:47:36 | Unhelpful | amiconn: and PF fetches the first track only from the DB. |
02:47:43 | amiconn | I know |
02:47:45 | rasher | amiconn: that would be as expected.. |
02:47:49 | Unhelpful | if that's the APE... |
02:48:10 | amiconn | Llorean: It's not necessarily multiple formats - having the same files in two different folders is enough |
02:48:25 | * | rasher suggests keeping albumart in /.rockbox/albumart :) |
02:48:38 | amiconn | rasher: I can't |
02:48:42 | * | Llorean thinks doing that is the proper solution if you'll have multiple copies of one album. |
02:48:54 | rasher | amiconn: Uhm. |
02:48:59 | amiconn | Several album titles contain characters which are illegal on vfat |
02:49:12 | rasher | amiconn: It seems you haven't read the manual |
02:49:20 | amiconn | And I rather not mangle my tags - it's enough that I had to mangle the folder names |
02:49:42 | amiconn | Besides, I don't want the albumart separate from the tree |
02:50:10 | rasher | Then this will happen as long as you don't put albumart in both folders.. |
02:50:38 | * | amiconn will put a database.ignore file insteas |
02:50:48 | amiconn | s/s$/d/ |
02:51:09 | Unhelpful | surely the tags are mangled in memory before generating paths from them? |
02:51:28 | * | amiconn once read the manual.... |
02:51:39 | amiconn | That was long before album art... even before swcodec |
02:51:47 | rasher | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildap3.html#x17-313000C.3 |
02:51:58 | amiconn | Iirc it was the manual for rockbox 2.0 |
02:53:08 | rasher | But yes, you can. You chose not to. |
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02:56:25 | amiconn | Rebuilt db and pf cache - now the covers are there... |
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02:59:55 | kugel | illegal chars are replaced by a "-", and AFAIK rockbox will still recognize the covers |
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03:00:18 | rasher | kugel: Wrong |
03:00:27 | rasher | Apparently you haven't read the manual either! |
03:00:28 | Unhelpful | kugel: it's an underscore, except for ", which is replaced with ' |
03:00:45 | rasher | (within the last month) |
03:01:12 | * | amiconn wonders whether it would make sense to check more tracks entries from the db if the first one doesn't yield a cover bitmap |
03:01:37 | amiconn | Maybe limited to a track index of 1 (that's part of struct mp3entry id3) |
03:02:18 | Unhelpful | they'll be sorted by track index, right? |
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03:03:11 | rasher | Seems quite unlikely, but it's just PF, so it can't hurt if someone bothers I guess |
03:03:37 | kugel | rasher: "within the last month"? |
03:04:06 | rasher | kugel: The album art chapter was added to the manual a month ago or so. It's been on the AlbumArt page for a |
03:04:11 | rasher | year |
03:04:23 | kugel | ah yea |
03:04:43 | kugel | I was fairly sure about the "-" though, I'm wondering where I picked that up :/ |
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03:24:36 | kugel | Any idea why putting the lcd framebuffer into iram let's the binsize raise so much? |
03:26:19 | kkurbjun | kugel, are you using the (NOLOAD) setting, and is it being put in the .ibss? |
03:26:34 | kugel | uhm, good question |
03:28:16 | kugel | kkurbjun: no, not in ibss. let me try that |
03:28:54 | kugel | our ibss uses no load, iram doesn't |
03:29:22 | kkurbjun | yeah, the bss section is for uninitialized values |
03:29:38 | kkurbjun | so you don't have to store a copy in the image |
03:29:55 | kkurbjun | well bss and ibss |
03:30:07 | kugel | indeed, that did it |
03:30:21 | kugel | thank you! |
03:30:27 | kkurbjun | no problem |
03:31:10 | kkurbjun | kugel, about the mmu problems you were having.. I was running into a large slowdown when my screen routines in the m:robe were not staying within the screen boundary |
03:31:26 | kkurbjun | so I was accidentally overwriting the ttb with the screen updates |
03:31:50 | kugel | we don't have the framebuffer in an extra section |
03:32:18 | kkurbjun | yeah, but how do you calculate the FRAME address? |
03:32:21 | kugel | (i.e. the ttb shouldn't be touched by it) |
03:32:36 | kkurbjun | it was still a problem without giving it a section |
03:33:19 | kkurbjun | I guess now that it's in iram it should be safer anyway |
03:33:32 | kkurbjun | is your lcd not memory mapped? |
03:33:41 | kugel | no |
03:33:46 | kkurbjun | oh, gotcha |
03:33:52 | kkurbjun | nevermind on that then |
03:35:12 | kugel | kkurbjun: there's no caching at all in that patch, that may explain the slowness |
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03:35:52 | kugel | I had similar slowness when I deactivated the icache |
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04:01:30 | froggyman | could i get the wiki wrire oermissions from someone? |
04:01:36 | froggyman | *write |
04:03:51 | kkurbjun | froggyman: what's your registered name? |
04:03:58 | froggyman | SethOpgenorth |
04:07:10 | kkurbjun | I think I added you, but I'm not positive |
04:07:56 | froggyman | ok |
04:08:50 | froggyman | thanks |
04:09:04 | kkurbjun | If you still can't write ask back and someone who is more familiar with the process might be around, no problem |
04:09:37 | froggyman | ok i will |
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04:18:02 | froggyman | it appears that i do have the write permissions now |
04:24:58 | dreamlayers | What's the status of FS #8806 - MikMod MOD, S3M, IT, XM player? It seems like such a great addition to Rockbox. |
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04:26:21 | kkurbjun | Llorean: I tried adding froggyman to the wiki users group, but it doesn't seem like he has permissions to write, is there something else that needs to be done? |
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04:29:11 | froggyman | are you sure, because i just checked the main page and it says that i edited something |
04:29:26 | kkurbjun | :), I misread what you wrote |
04:29:35 | kkurbjun | nevermind, Llorean |
04:29:48 | kkurbjun | great, glad to hear it works |
04:30:04 | froggyman | yep |
04:38:09 | Strife89 | dreamlayers: I agree; good question. |
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04:39:12 | * | kugel has a little hackish way to make the scrollwheel like perfect on the fuze |
04:39:20 | Nordheim | I can't seem to get the Rockbox automated install to load correctly |
04:39:42 | Nordheim | it autodetects my device fine, but says the mount point is not writeable, whether run in root or not |
04:40:26 | Nordheim | device [a Sansa E260] is in MSC mode already |
04:44:22 | Nordheim | should it be pointed to the mount point or actual device ? |
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05:05:38 | kugel | huh, with this hack, the scrollwheel is almost better than on e200v1 |
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05:18:55 | re-peat | what does mount say about it? |
05:19:04 | re-peat | read-only? |
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05:24:43 | Nordheim | yeh, it is showing as read-only |
05:24:54 | Nordheim | I have since gotten rockbox installed, but now I can't add/remove any files |
05:26:01 | saratoga | on linux that usually means youv'e corrupted the file system |
05:26:23 | Nordheim | yes, it does seem to be that |
05:26:29 | Nordheim | that's the main reason I'm trying rockbox |
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05:26:57 | Nordheim | I start getting lots of 'bad track' errors in the default |
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05:38:01 | Nordheim | post-format seems to be working fine |
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10:43:49 | arez-l | could anyone help me out compiling the bootloader for a sansa e200v2 ? finished tools/configure and also tried make but i cannot find the created file |
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10:45:38 | bertrik | the bootloader image is called bootloader-clip.sansa |
10:46:10 | arez-l | its not there |
10:46:42 | arez-l | so doing tools/configure and then using make is right? |
10:47:28 | bertrik | no, you should build it in a separate build directory |
10:49:38 | arez-l | iam quite new to compiling.. is there a quick guide for this? the wiki requires some compiling knowledge as it seems |
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10:51:46 | arez-l | or could you give me some short instructions? |
10:58:34 | bertrik | there are several guides on the wiki, but I'm not really familiar with them |
10:58:57 | arez-l | i just followed one but it only says that i need to create the bootloader with tools/configure |
10:59:43 | arez-l | how to tell it to use a seperate build folder? |
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11:01:35 | bertrik | what I usually do (from the main rockbox source folder): mkdir build-clip-boot; cd build-clip-boot; ../tools/configure; (select 55-clip, B for bootloader); make |
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11:02:01 | arez-l | gonna try that now, thank you |
11:03:18 | bertrik | actually, this is just the easy first part of installing rockbox on an ams sansa ... |
11:03:24 | arez-l | getting some errors but idk what they mean |
11:03:25 | arez-l | http://pastie.org/443598 |
11:05:40 | bertrik | building the bootloader should be done in a different directory than building the main rockbox software, your build directory is simply called build so I think you're mixing the two. A make clean and another make may help if you get weird compilation errors. |
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11:06:33 | arez-l | so i sgould use a build bootloader folder for this and try again after using make clean |
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11:09:50 | bertrik | yes, use something like 'build' for the main firmware and something like 'build-boot' for the bootloader. A make clean simply cleans up old build results that may confuse the build process. |
11:10:49 | arez-l | got it now :) |
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11:13:32 | Adam917 | Anyone here know if the instructions found on the 'BigDisk' page apply to the iriver units as well? As in would I need to compile a multi-partition variant of Rockbox and have to manually copy files to a second partition after 128 GiB? What about USB support? |
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11:23:12 | arez-l | how do i solve "command not found" when i try to use mkamsboot for patching the firmware? |
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11:24:20 | bertrik | 'make' sure that the command is present? what command could not be found? |
11:25:16 | arez-l | mkamsboot |
11:25:33 | arez-l | already tried "make" in the mkamsboot folder |
11:27:32 | arez-l | nvm ; worked after make clean and another make |
11:27:38 | bertrik | you should type ./mkamsboot |
11:28:53 | arez-l | how do i know if the bootloader works ? i dont have compiled a rb build so far |
11:31:04 | bertrik | it briefly shows a rockbox logo (and probably an error about not finding the .rockbox directory if you haven't installed the main firmware yet) |
11:31:24 | arez-l | okay |
11:31:29 | arez-l | ty |
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11:33:19 | bertrik | IIRC, holding the home button during boot or booting by plugging in USB from the power-off state makes it boot into the original firmware again. In case of hangs, hold the power button for up to 20 seconds. |
11:34:12 | arez-l | that might be useful :) |
11:34:33 | arez-l | gotta reboot the vm here ; brb |
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14:34:51 | * | Adam917 wishes Rockbox were on phones as their audio player |
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14:37:46 | pixelma | I just noticed that the volume level shown in an Ondio sim is off compared to the target (ranging from -40dB to +60dB, whereas it's -100dB to +12dB in reality) |
14:38:50 | pixelma | hwcodec sims don't actually play music but I thought volume range could at least show the same |
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14:58:22 | tomers | Hello, I've added USB_SERIAL to my iPod. What device should I use to view serial traffic? I have /dev/usbdev1.1_ep00, /dev/usbdev1.1_ep81, /dev/usbdev2.1_ep00, /dev/usbdev2.1_ep81. Is it one of those? |
14:59:49 | gevaerts | hm, that's weird... You should have /dev/ttyUSB0. Did you load usb_serial as described on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb#logf_over_USB_Serial ? |
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15:03:12 | tomers | No, I did not consulted that page. Thanks a million. I added it in frimware/export/config-XXX.cfg... I'll fix it, and update in case it doesn't work. |
15:04:26 | gevaerts | Actually, the usb_serial implementation isn't very complete yet. It's good enough for linux to talk to, but it doesn't fully implement the CDC spec so windows doesn't like it at all. |
15:05:21 | gevaerts | Also, thanks for spotting my unintentional advanced C feature knowledge test ;) |
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15:09:52 | tomers | Thanks! I'll update the cosmetic patch to fit the current code convention of these files (It's not the important currently, and it takes too much time to do...) |
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15:16:11 | gevaerts | Don't worry too much about cosmetics :) Working right wins against looking right every time! |
15:21:48 | * | gevaerts formally denies allegations that he broke the build |
15:22:32 | gevaerts | Why wasn't r20684 autobuilt? |
15:25:08 | pixelma | sometimes builds aren't picked up for unknow reasons |
15:25:17 | pixelma | unknown too |
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15:29:47 | pixelma | seeing that there are also main display this size - could the theme site have subpages for 128x96x2 (Iaudio M3/remotes) and/or 128x64x1 (Clip, m200, other new ports, Iriver remotes) displays? |
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15:35:04 | gevaerts | Any reason why the Official Test Builds forum isn't just restricted to only allow staff to start new threads? |
15:35:08 | gevaerts | Or is it? |
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15:54:46 | tomers | I have some more USB questions. I can in wiki (/PortalPlayerUsb#logf_over_USB_Serial) see that USB_SERIAL should be defined in usb_core.h - it is actually there, commented out. But I also see it is in config-iaudio7.h (commented out also). is this some kind of redundancy, or should I set this config both in usb_core.h and the config file (config-ipodcolor.h)? If I should set it in config-ipodcolor |
15:54:48 | tomers | .h, can I just rebuild it using 'make', or should I remove and re-create the build directory? |
15:55:50 | motionman95 | Could someone explain to me how to use the read_line() function it's perplexing me, and is not used often enough in plugins for me to understand exactly how I should use it. |
15:56:34 | rasher | motionman95: docs/PLUGIN_API hopefully explains a bit |
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15:57:00 | motionman95 | Okay, I'll read it and be right back... |
15:57:53 | gevaerts | tomers: I originally put it in usb_core.h, and described that on the wiki. I guess vitja either didn't see that or disagreed with it and put it in config-iaudio7.h. Right now I'm not sure which is best :) |
15:57:53 | rasher | That file isn't updated much, but many functions are there |
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15:59:30 | gevaerts | tomers: I don't know if the build system will pick it up correctly either way, so probably starting with a clean build dir is safest |
15:59:44 | motionman95 | @rasher: Okay, so based on what I read, read_line() works like this: the first time it's called, it will read up to the first LF, the second time, it will read up to the second LF, and so on, until it returns -1? |
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16:00:10 | rasher | motionman95: Pretty much |
16:00:43 | motionman95 | Cool~! |
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16:01:18 | motionman95 | Thanks. Now, instead of bugging the people on the Rockbox forums, I guess I'll just post here. |
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16:03:16 | tomers | gevaerts: OK. I'll start with a clean build. But can I just replace the .ipod file, and reboot the DAP? |
16:03:51 | gevaerts | tomers: either that, or put the new .ipod file somewhere else and "play" it |
16:04:40 | tomers | gevaerts: Can I replace the the existing .ipod file while rockbox is connected (in charging mode) ? |
16:06:12 | tomers | gevaerts: It seems the answer is yes :-) |
16:06:28 | gevaerts | Once the bootloader (or rolo) has loaded it, nothing touches that file anymore |
16:06:38 | gevaerts | Except you of course :) |
16:07:49 | tomers | gevaerts: Damn. The iPod battery is a bit drained. It doesn't charges well, and I have to wait too long before the bootloader loads rockbox (several minutes) each time |
16:08:19 | gevaerts | Try charging in the OF (or in disk mode). That may work better |
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16:19:35 | motionman95 | Peace out. :) |
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16:57:23 | Pepsi1x1 | hi, i have an ipod mini generation 2, and I would like to install rockbox, although when i am trying to use the rockbox utility, I have an error first from autodetect saying it is an incompatible version, but it is in the list of players. Also if I try to manually select it, when I click complete install it errors straight away saying Ipod not detected. I have looked through the manual, and faq's and |
16:57:41 | Pepsi1x1 | a google search returned only poor youtube videos |
16:57:53 | gevaerts | Are you sure it's a mini and not a nano? |
16:57:59 | * | kugel has a little make install hack for normal builds |
16:58:10 | Pepsi1x1 | yes the model number is ma447 |
16:58:21 | Pepsi1x1 | let me double check the numbers |
16:58:33 | tomers | I added info on how to enable logf (using advanced build) in Wiki page PortalPlayerUsb |
16:58:52 | Pepsi1x1 | 477ma |
16:58:57 | Pepsi1x1 | hah typos |
16:59:04 | Pepsi1x1 | ma477 |
16:59:34 | gevaerts | google tells me that that's a nano |
16:59:48 | Pepsi1x1 | really it told me it was a mini |
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17:00:05 | gevaerts | Have a look at http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 to make sure |
17:00:39 | Pepsi1x1 | oh dear |
17:00:44 | Pepsi1x1 | yes its a nano |
17:00:55 | Pepsi1x1 | how foolish was that |
17:01:20 | Pepsi1x1 | nano 2nd gen is unsupported then, if im not mistaken? |
17:01:35 | gevaerts | unfortunately, yes |
17:01:43 | Pepsi1x1 | ok thanks for your help |
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17:21:00 | Pepsi1x1 | so is there any good alternative to rockbox which is compatible with the 2nd gen nano? |
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17:42:21 | kugel | is this too hackish? http://pastie.org/443735 |
17:44:01 | kugel | that's make install for a normal build to install directly (well, indirectly using tar and extracting then) on the target (path specified by PREFIX) |
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17:56:19 | xt3 | hi |
17:57:21 | xt3 | can anyone help me with firmware for an onda vx747. i compiled it and tried to put it on the player but whenever i tried it the player stuck with a message "ata-18 panic" |
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18:06:15 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I did that because rockbox was freezing, I think something is overflowing the lcd |
18:06:18 | kkurbjun | update |
18:06:32 | kkurbjun | so I gave it more room to keep it from crashing for now |
18:07:56 | kkurbjun | the remote LCD on the m:robe is much smaller than any of the others 79x16, so I was going to try searching for anything that had hard-coded or calculated offsets/width/heights that could cause an overflow |
18:11:57 | kkurbjun | amiconn, if you have any ideas on where to start looking it would be much appreciated. Otherwise I might talk to cat and see if he can connect his JTAG setup so I can do some remote debugging again (or solder my own) |
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18:42:30 | stealthboy | How dificult would X and Y be to implement for drawing pictures to the screen? Say, instead of having to constantly redraw to the LCD, simply assign what was drawn to the screen a new X and Y? |
18:43:50 | stealthboy | ... |
18:43:57 | kkurbjun | stealthboy: most targets implement lcd_update_rect |
18:44:12 | kkurbjun | where you give it an x, y, width, height |
18:44:25 | kkurbjun | and it only copies the section that needs to be updated |
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18:47:43 | kugel | eh, builzip.pl is broken, somehow |
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18:52:23 | dreamlayers | kugel: buildzip.pl works for me when building 5G firmware zip, and it was last modified 2 months ago. Which target causes it to break? |
18:52:50 | kkurbjun | amiconn, looks like I can get it to freez in the simulator too |
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19:07:42 | kugel | dreamlayers: nevermind, I blame perl |
19:08:34 | kugel | using @ARGV for essential parameter seems fragile |
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19:14:05 | dreamlayers | How concerned should I be with code size? When I was working on a patch with some fixes and improvements of 5G iPod LCD sleep, I spent too much time wondering about this. For example, when waiting for the LCD to finish initializing, do I use a wakeup struct, or do I go for smaller code size and use a polling loop which yields? |
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19:23:45 | kugel | dreamlayers: well, code size isn't as much of an issue on a target with 32/64MB RAM. but every increase slightly decreases the battery runtime |
19:24:06 | kugel | (particularly on HDD targets) |
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19:54:50 | paulk | Hello ! When i connect my sansa e250 to my computer, the original firmware is launched by rockbox. How to connect the player without using the original firmware please ??? |
19:57:11 | motionman | paulk: You can do this by using the current build, or applying the bootloaders found in the flyspray. |
19:57:31 | paulk | I'm using the current build |
19:58:30 | saratoga | what revision number? |
19:59:00 | paulk | I've got rockbox 3.2 |
19:59:42 | saratoga | thats not the current build |
19:59:48 | saratoga | update and you'll get USB |
19:59:56 | paulk | where can i found a bootloader able to do it ? |
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20:00:24 | saratoga | you don't need a bootloader, just update rockbox |
20:00:52 | paulk | ? I've got the lastest version |
20:01:14 | gevaerts | if you want the bootloader to load rockbox on plugin, you need a new bootloader as well |
20:01:16 | dreamlayers | paulk: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9955 |
20:01:24 | gevaerts | paulk: 3.2 is the latest *release* |
20:01:36 | paulk | ok, it's the lastest build |
20:01:46 | paulk | it's not the lastest build * |
20:02:23 | paulk | ok, where do i put the pp5022.mi4 file ? |
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20:03:38 | kugel | paulk: use it with sansapatcher |
20:03:46 | paulk | ok |
20:03:49 | kugel | dont put the file directly anywhere on your dap |
20:04:03 | kugel | (unless you want to screw up the OF) |
20:04:50 | paulk | I've done it with sansapatcher I'll do a test |
20:05:40 | kugel | what command did you use? |
20:05:42 | paulk | it does not work... |
20:05:47 | paulk | ./sansapatcher -a firmware.mi4 |
20:05:52 | paulk | as root |
20:06:16 | paulk | is it right ? |
20:06:20 | kugel | not sure |
20:06:23 | saratoga | i think you should just wait for an official bootloader |
20:06:29 | saratoga | you don't need to install this thing to get USB |
20:06:30 | kugel | ./sansapatcher −−help should tell |
20:07:07 | saratoga | and that didn't work because you don't have a fimrware.mi4 file |
20:07:22 | paulk | it's called PP5022.mi4 |
20:07:30 | paulk | is it important ? |
20:07:48 | saratoga | its the bootloader you're trying to install |
20:07:55 | gevaerts | really, if you ask that sort of questions, stay with the stable build... |
20:08:02 | paulk | ok |
20:08:16 | kugel | paulk: what exactly did you mean by "does not work" btw? the bootloader doesn't feature usb as is. It just doesn't boot the OF if you insert the cable in the OFF state |
20:08:16 | saratoga | so its not important in the sense that what you're doing doesn't matter, but its important in the sense that if you do the wrong thing now you'll break your player |
20:08:59 | kugel | saratoga: can you try FS #10120? |
20:09:03 | paulk | yes, but it boot the OF |
20:09:22 | kugel | the version should tell you whether the update worked |
20:09:52 | dreamlayers | paulk: If you don't install the bootloader and you want to use Rockbox USB, just make sure that you turn on your e250 before you plug in USB. |
20:10:18 | paulk | I do |
20:10:31 | saratoga | did you update your build like i told you to 10 minutes ago? |
20:10:42 | saratoga | because that step is important |
20:11:08 | paulk | oh no ! |
20:11:16 | paulk | where can i get the lastest build ? |
20:11:26 | saratoga | the front page of this website |
20:11:40 | paulk | http://build.rockbox.org/ |
20:11:43 | paulk | ? |
20:11:48 | saratoga | yes |
20:12:37 | saratoga | kugel: i'll take a look at it when i get my fuze from work this afternoon |
20:12:49 | saratoga | but that approach seems sensible |
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20:14:26 | saratoga | how difficult is it going to be to get the AMS sansas to work with rbutil? |
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20:15:07 | gevaerts | saratoga: they seem to need approximately the same steps as h100 and h300 |
20:15:51 | saratoga | wget an OF file, run the merge program on it, and then copy to the player? |
20:15:57 | gevaerts | yes |
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20:16:12 | saratoga | so relatively easy then |
20:16:22 | gevaerts | Although I think rbutil asks you to get the OF file |
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20:16:45 | saratoga | sandisk provides http links to the raw OF image, so downloading it should be easy enough |
20:17:15 | kugel | gevaerts: what will happen about the version then? |
20:17:21 | kugel | I mean the OF version |
20:17:35 | kugel | do we pick a random OF version and always use that or do we try to keep the version installed? |
20:17:39 | saratoga | they'll get whatever one is hard coded unless we put an option or they use the manual install |
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20:18:04 | saratoga | the ams patcher program has to be updated for each OF version anyway |
20:18:05 | kugel | maybe there's a way to read the installed OF version |
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20:18:25 | paulk | yeah ! It works ! |
20:18:28 | paulk | Thank-u |
20:18:31 | kugel | which reminds me, I wanted to update mksamsboot for 1.02.26 |
20:18:33 | gevaerts | kugel: IIRC rbutil just asks you to tell it where you put the hex file for irivers, so it uses whatever version you give it |
20:18:41 | bertrik | can't we just put on a pre-patched firmware? |
20:19:00 | gevaerts | We can't distribute the OF |
20:19:13 | kugel | we can't? |
20:19:19 | kugel | Bagder does that |
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20:20:15 | kugel | saratoga: Well, the approach might seem sensible, but I nevertheless feel that it's a bit hackish :/ |
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20:20:44 | kugel | but it apparently just works, even nicely |
20:20:50 | saratoga2 | polling a wheel is a big hack but unless we find a way to do interrupts we have no choice |
20:21:05 | kugel | indeed |
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20:21:45 | kugel | the button driver is full of hacks anyway :p |
20:21:47 | saratoga2 | i'm hoping that if we ever get the AS353x datasheet, it will have a way to do dbop interrupts we can use but i'm not counting on it |
20:22:33 | kugel | well, dbop has interrupts. but being rather a bus than a IO thing, it only has interrupts for FIFO etc |
20:22:48 | saratoga2 | yeah i vaguely remember that |
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20:23:01 | kugel | I hoped we can get interrupts on GPIOB, then switch to DBOP and read, but that doesn't seem possible |
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20:23:27 | saratoga2 | the physical pins aren't the same IIRC, so its probably not |
20:23:37 | * | kugel managed to read power by using an interrupt, but no success for the wheel |
20:23:55 | kugel | now we read power on dbop |
20:23:58 | saratoga2 | haha good thing sandisk let us get power on interrupts |
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20:24:42 | kugel | but actually, sandisk seems to do the same |
20:24:57 | saratoga2 | are there any ams developers who know rbutil or even c++? |
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20:25:08 | kugel | looking at the disassembly, it seems to call lcd_button_support (to write the red pixel) too. |
20:25:36 | saratoga2 | red pixel? |
20:26:04 | kugel | we need to write a red pixel into the dbop fifo in order to read the buttons correctly |
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20:27:03 | kugel | using a output bus for buttons is fundamentally flawed anyway. thank you sandisk |
20:27:31 | kugel | but, well, there's only 32 gpio lines, which is just too few, they probably didn't have a choice :( |
20:27:43 | kugel | PP has like 100? |
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20:28:26 | saratoga2 | still you'd think they'd put the hold button or something like that on DBOP, not the most time critical buttons |
20:28:58 | kugel | yea |
20:29:35 | dreamlayers | kugel: It seems like PP allows most pins to be used as GPIO, including ones assigned to other functions like IDE. So for example a device which doesn't use IDE can use some those pins for GPIO, but if you want to use IDE, they have to be used for IDE. |
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20:31:22 | kugel | dreamlayers: that's on the as3525 too |
20:31:39 | saratoga2 | AMS sort of does that, where some DBOP pins are GPIO [iirc] but they have just 32 GPIO logical pins, and more physical pins so some are unmapped |
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20:31:54 | kugel | like GPIOD is almost exclusively used for xpd (SD interface) |
20:32:05 | saratoga2 | which is kind of baffling, physical pins are expensive, logical ones are not |
20:32:13 | kugel | We basically cannot control the buttonlight correctly, because we cannot use it as GPIO |
20:32:35 | Traveler | did the repository get rid of the text viewer? |
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20:38:04 | linuxstb | Traveler: apps/plugins/viewer.c ? |
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20:38:19 | kugel | is the codec_pack.zip for CodecPerformanceComparison available anywhere? |
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20:39:38 | Traveler | ah, thanks; was looking for text_viewer.c |
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20:40:17 | Dhraakellian | so is the Fuze (and AMS sansa general) port approaching usability now, if not efficiency? |
20:40:45 | franky | ./rs moni |
20:41:04 | franky | oops, sorry. |
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20:47:39 | * | dreamlayers found some non-critical bugs in flash-recorderv2-v3 BootBox |
20:48:12 | kugel | saratoga2: how did you test mp3 performance? |
20:48:39 | kugel | just do "open with" on a sufficiently small file? |
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20:52:25 | kugel | ah, 4,1MB is too big already :/ |
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21:02:11 | saratoga2 | kugel: yeah I tested a 2MB mp3 |
21:02:33 | kugel | test_codec is broken :/ |
21:03:00 | saratoga2 | yeah it needs to be able to rebuffer tracks |
21:03:01 | kugel | it doesn't update the display anymore when finished. if the backlight was off at this point, you cannot get the result |
21:03:09 | saratoga2 | kugel: that too |
21:03:16 | saratoga2 | thats the lock up thing i was talking about the other day |
21:03:21 | saratoga2 | i didn't realize it wasn't frozen |
21:03:26 | kugel | heh |
21:03:36 | saratoga2 | if you turn off the backlight timeout the problem goes away |
21:03:43 | saratoga2 | or just keep hitting buttons so the back light never turns off |
21:04:01 | kugel | this also means you cannot test without constant lcd updates, which surely affects the result |
21:04:32 | saratoga2 | it only updates the text about once a second, so hopefully not too much |
21:05:11 | kugel | btw, have you seen my test_fps results? |
21:05:27 | saratoga2 | from yesterday? |
21:05:46 | kugel | yea |
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21:06:05 | kugel | they're pretty bad. only 50fps at max (boosted, full update) |
21:06:13 | saratoga2 | i saw but until we have MMU running they may not mean very much |
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21:06:55 | saratoga2 | err may not mean what we think they do |
21:06:59 | kugel | I'm not sure if that will influence it |
21:07:06 | saratoga2 | everything is slow right now for some reason |
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21:12:44 | kugel | saratoga2: got 140MHz with my file |
21:13:25 | kugel | 128kbit/ss cbr |
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21:17:02 | kugel | 132MHz for one of my oggs |
21:20:02 | saratoga2 | kugel: heres a neat idea: comment out the call to mad_synth_thread_ready in mpa.c |
21:20:21 | saratoga2 | that will prevent mad from running the synth filterbank, which uses 50% of the CPU time |
21:20:43 | saratoga2 | if decoding gets 2x faster, then the slowdown is in the codec, otherwise its some other part of rockbox |
21:22:28 | kugel | not today anymore :( |
21:23:19 | kugel | I'm clocking CGU_AUDIO a bit higher, it might get a little faster with it (it's at the lowest clock currently) |
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22:59:14 | saratoga_work | kugel: you need to disconnect one of the battery leads and run it through a multimeter then into the device |
22:59:19 | saratoga_work | unfortunately this is hard to do on the fuze |
22:59:48 | kugel | hm |
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23:00:01 | saratoga_work | you can also splice a USB cable and measure the 5v line on it |
23:00:01 | kugel | that means opening it again |
23:00:24 | saratoga_work | thats still pretty accurate since rockbox doesn't charge the battery on the fuze |
23:00:25 | kugel | hm, I could do that |
23:00:32 | kugel | my other cable is broken anyway |
23:00:38 | kugel | it doesn't? |
23:00:51 | saratoga_work | i don't think charging is enabled on the fuze yet |
23:01:10 | kugel | I thought it was just not calibrated |
23:01:30 | kugel | so, I might have the tools in my uni to go the cable way |
23:01:35 | saratoga_work | wiki says no |
23:01:47 | saratoga_work | MMs are really cheap if not |
23:02:05 | saratoga_work | what do you want to do? |
23:02:29 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Freezing where/ under what condition(s)? |
23:02:40 | kugel | get charging done, and messure savings with dbop turned off |
23:03:33 | saratoga_work | so measure how much power the OF uses charging and not charging and try to back out the charging current setting? |
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23:04:14 | kugel | something like that, yes :) |
23:04:39 | froggyman | Llorean i have a question for you |
23:04:51 | saratoga_work | that could be a bit tricky via the USB line, since you'll have to assume an efficiency for the charger's voltage converter |
23:05:04 | * | gevaerts steals froggyman's question and runs off with it |
23:05:23 | saratoga_work | i looked online and couldn't find the exact capacity of the fuze battery, but its very close to that of the e200 judging by its size |
23:05:25 | kkurbjun | amiconn, it looks like it's related to the font/font size. If the screen height is set to 16, and it loads a non-8x8 font, the player freezes |
23:05:36 | kkurbjun | it freezes right after boot |
23:05:37 | kugel | how would you do it? maybe I should talk to bertrik about the details |
23:05:39 | saratoga_work | so taking a value a little less then the e200 but a little more then the clip should be pretty safe |
23:05:41 | kkurbjun | and the simulator does it too |
23:05:50 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Sounds weird.... |
23:06:10 | * | amiconn is about to build an mr500 sim with the remote resolution set back to 79x16 |
23:06:20 | Llorean | froggyman: And that question is? |
23:06:26 | kkurbjun | run it first without doing make install and it will work |
23:06:35 | kkurbjun | then run it again after doing make install and it will freeze |
23:07:02 | kugel | saratoga_work: bertrik said the mAH aren't very interesting for charging as is anyway, only for estimation |
23:07:08 | kugel | (IIRC) |
23:07:13 | froggyman | how is it that you manage to always be on this IRC and on the rockbox support forums, do you even have a job? |
23:07:13 | saratoga_work | thats true |
23:07:31 | amiconn | kkurbjun: I bet it's a list problem or something like that |
23:07:35 | saratoga_work | its mainly just so that you know how much current to give them (you shouldn't charge them with more then 1/2 their capacity per hour) |
23:07:50 | Llorean | froggyman: There's 146 people in this room, do you honestly believe every single one of them is at the computer? |
23:07:53 | amiconn | With a font height > 8, th elist has no line to use when the statusbar is on |
23:08:05 | kkurbjun | yeah.. |
23:08:11 | amiconn | Statusbar should probably be permanently disabled on the olympus remote |
23:08:26 | kkurbjun | that's what I was thinking too |
23:08:46 | kkurbjun | but I would worry that fonts larger than 16x16 would cause problems too |
23:08:58 | kkurbjun | right now the screen is running at 1/4 resolution |
23:09:02 | Pepsi1x1 | i see, the reason the nano 2g isnt supported is due to crytpo, does anyone have a good resource for information on what has already been discovered in relation to that? |
23:09:12 | froggyman | well, i guess not... |
23:09:17 | kkurbjun | but if someone builds with a 640x480 build they will probably want to use larger fonts |
23:12:53 | amiconn | At least the list should degrade gracefully - either just stop showing up on the remote without freezing the rest of rockbox, or probably better, just clip the font |
23:13:15 | amiconn | We can't do more until at least basic multifont support will be added |
23:13:31 | amiconn | (basic multifont == one font per display) |
23:13:49 | kkurbjun | amiconn, don't we still build with the system font? |
23:13:58 | saratoga_work | Pepsi1x1: wiki, forum thread, and that linux for nano site all had some info, i'm sure you can search and dig it up |
23:14:04 | kkurbjun | I wonder if that could be forced on the remote |
23:14:07 | amiconn | Sure, but using that is worse |
23:14:28 | kkurbjun | why is that? |
23:14:30 | amiconn | The sysfont only covers iso8859-1 |
23:14:40 | kkurbjun | gotcha |
23:27:38 | amiconn | Hmph. 'make fullinstall' is b0rked |
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23:28:35 | kkurbjun | hmm, I can't see where this is failing, it looks like the code is still running, just that the screens are no longer updating, the backlights never change. It just sits in button.c uisdl.c, and kernel-sdl.c. |
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23:32:00 | amiconn | kkurbjun: I'm 99% sure this is a list problem |
23:32:28 | amiconn | I created a config.cfg manually, just setting the font |
23:32:58 | amiconn | Fonts <= 8 pixel (regardless which one) and the sim works. 9 pixels -> boom |
23:33:50 | kkurbjun | yeah.., I was just trying to run through gdb and see where it's failing.. I'm not too familiar with the list code yet |
23:34:21 | kkurbjun | it just freezes for you too, no segfaults or anything like that right? |
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23:35:29 | amiconn | Statusbar disabled -> 9 pixel font works |
23:37:00 | amiconn | 16 pixels work, 18 pixels -> freeze |
23:38:44 | amiconn | Unfortunately the statusbar can only be disabled for both displays at once. While I do think that it should be disabled permanently on the mrobe remote, it would probably make sense to have a separate setting for main & remote on other targets with remote lcd |
23:39:32 | kkurbjun | yeah, agreed, that's what I was thinking of doing eventually |
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23:52:16 | soap | Llorean: i just realized one of the other ideas we had discussed re:the forums, was to move "Hardware" and "Repairing Broken Players" to what has now become "Third Party" |
23:52:37 | saratoga_work | disabling the synth filter bank on the Fuze for Mp3 makes MP3 much faster, but still takes ~80MHz |
23:52:51 | soap | and while doing so to unnest "Repairing Broken Players" from its "hiding place" under hardware. |
23:54:08 | soap | Not because the Hardware forums have ever been "out of control" but because we strengthen the line between what is Rockbox (and we can support to the best of our abilities) and what is Not Rockbox and we mearly tolerate. ;) |
23:54:21 | Llorean | soap: Well "Hardware" shouldn't be third party |
23:54:34 | soap | It isn't Rockbox. ;) |
23:54:40 | Llorean | Its intent, at least when I originally organized things, was to be basically the "firmware" layer of Rockbox |
23:54:57 | Llorean | Questions about battery calibration, or other issues where it's Rockbox's support of the hardware. |
23:55:13 | soap | as in questions regarding support for hardware not discussion of replacing batteries and such? |
23:55:17 | saratoga_work | so it looks like the CPU is very slow (which is odd since I've got nearly everything in IRAM), but other things are probably also very slow (which makes more sense, maybe buffering is also very slow without cache) |
23:55:17 | Llorean | The repairing broken players on the other hand is a gray area, since arguably nothing there actually directly involves Rockbox |
23:55:26 | Llorean | soap: Exactly. Replacing batteries is "repairing" |
23:55:33 | saratoga_work | at least we know theres not one device driver busy waiting 90% of the cpu's time |
23:56:31 | Llorean | soap: I'll reorg Hardware and Repairing into the originally intended Hardware (under Rockbox) and "Repairing / Upgrading Players" |
23:56:42 | Llorean | With some new POSTING IN THIS FORUM and descriptions. |
23:56:56 | Llorean | Then hardware can stay under Rockbox, and Repairing/Upgrading can go to third party |
23:57:35 | soap | I'm thinking about that "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" - because I see what you're getting at in this context, I didn't see before, and I'm trying to figure out why I didn't grok it before. |