#rockbox 2009-04-12

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#rockbox log for 2009-04-12

00:01:17	Llorean	Arlight, split 'em
00:02:14	soap	Really need a board "Non-Rockbox issues with hardware" as "Hardware" is full of "How to recognize 1st or 2nd generation Nano?" which isn't a Rockbox's-Interaction-With-Hardware question, nor is it a repair issue.
00:02:42	Llorean	soap: That could go in General, really
00:02:54	soap	But it's not about rockbox! ;)
00:03:11	Llorean	It is if you're trying to install. It's a question about a step in the install process - "Determine what iPod you have"
00:03:20	Llorean	Of course, I guess it goes under "Manual Install" then.
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00:11:26	saratoga_work	rockbox and the fuze has become downright usable, aside from the poor battery life
00:12:07	Llorean	Is the clip still experiencing strange issues, or is this a general "AMS is better" situation?
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00:12:26	saratoga_work	i haven't tried the clip recently, but it should be the same as the Fuze
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00:13:39	saratoga_work	once the MMU is enabled and rbutil supports it, it'll basically be ready for normal users
00:13:59	halmi	Hello!
00:14:17	Llorean	saratoga_work: Well, RBUtil support would still be really nice.
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00:14:47	halmi	I just wanted to compile Rockbox with the current svn (r20689) and got an issue when doing "make zip"
00:15:32	halmi	It stops with an error saying that PREFIX isnt set or so.
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00:16:06	Llorean	Could you put the whole error in a pastebin somewhere?
00:16:25	halmi	As far as I have recognized, this trouble started with the changes in r20687
00:17:18	halmi	I think that thing with the pastebin isn't necessary, as I think I have found out the reason.
00:17:32	kkurbjun	amiconn, I found the problem
00:17:44	kkurbjun	it was in the scrollbar drawing code
00:18:31	kkurbjun	gui_scrollbar_draw is called with a height of 0 which comes out to be a negative number once the inner ht and inner wd is calculated
00:18:42	kkurbjun	well, more the inner_ht
00:19:33	halmi	in r20687 there was a change in the buildzip.pl where - among some other changes - $sim was replaced by $install
00:20:32	halmi	And in lines 441 and following there is checked if that variable is set, and if it is set to /dev/null, ...
00:21:44	freqmod_qu	have nobody else experienced that the songs on the clip stops half way?
00:22:18	halmi	I'm not very familiar with perl, but thats my assumption: On line 24 the code now says my $install="/dev/null"; - before the change it was only my $sim
00:23:00	bertrik	freqmod_qu, yes I've seen that. The glitching seems to have disappeared with the recent AMS checkins, but I also get reproduceable stops on some tracks
00:23:10	freqmod_qu	ok
00:23:16	freqmod_qu	then it is not only me
00:23:35	freqmod_qu	:)
00:23:42	halmi	I don't know how perl handles this, but it would be logical that when theres only a name of a variable, its only kind of initialized, whereas if there is also a value for it, it is set.
00:25:03	halmi	And I think on line 441ff the script checks if $install is set (in assumption that it is only set if the parameter -i was given), but it is set in any case.
00:25:40	halmi	And if the parameter is not given, then the value is still /dev/null which means, it dies with that special error
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00:27:04	halmi	I have changed line 24 to my $install; and it works for my case. I know that this doesn't solve the problem, but maybe it can help you to solve it.
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00:28:16	halmi	Obviously since r20687 no one tried to do a make zip...
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00:28:47	Llorean	halmi: zips should be made continually, it should be used to make the zips we distribute from our build servers.
00:29:22	Llorean	Every SVN commit should result in one.
00:30:16	bertrik	Llorean, apparently kugel broke it ...
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00:30:32	bertrik	the latest available zips are r20686
00:30:40	Llorean	It looks like only the latest SVN commit would trigger a build.
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00:31:48	Llorean	halmi: Have you tried your fix?
00:32:07	bertrik	ah ok, forgot about the build trigger being smart to trigger only on relevant source files
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00:32:32	Llorean	bertrik: It looks like amiconn's commit also triggered one though
00:32:37	saratoga_work	why doesn't a failed make zip trigger an error on the build table?
00:33:36	Llorean	Why is "make" and then "make zip" necessary? Shouldn't "make zip" perform a make, and then if successful, zip it up?
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00:34:15	saratoga_work	"Warning: couldn't get zip from rbclient@femlab.bme.duke.edu/build-ipodnano"
00:34:23	saratoga_work	yes the build table reports no problems
00:34:27	amiconn	Llorean: No it shouldn't, on purpose
00:34:27	saratoga_work	yet
00:34:28	bertrik	r20690 by kkurbjun should definitely have triggered a new zip
00:34:36	Llorean	amiconn: Why not?
00:34:47	saratoga_work	it did trigger a build
00:34:56	amiconn	How else would you 'make zip' if some plugins fail to build?
00:35:08	Llorean	Build without the plugins.
00:35:16	amiconn	That's not an option
00:35:34	Llorean	I've built without specific plugins dozens of times.
00:35:35	amiconn	When adapting plugins, you'll usually go one-by-one
00:35:56	amiconn	And then you surely want to test before finishing the whole bunch
00:36:09	rasher	So enable them one by one?
00:36:12	amiconn	It's also faster
00:36:24	halmi	My "fix" isn't really a fix
00:36:28	amiconn	...if 'make zip' limits itself to what it's meant for
00:36:56	halmi	It's just a workaround, so that make zip works.
00:37:00	rasher	make zip right will fail due to broken dependencies..
00:37:08	rasher	Unless you've run "make" first
00:37:10	Llorean	amiconn: But if you haven't yet done a make, how can "make zip" complete without making?
00:37:46	amiconn	The point is that I can run 'make zip' after 'make', even if 'make' fails somewhere inbetween
00:37:47	saratoga_work	Bagder: it seems to me that the build table doesn't notice if make zip fails, provided make itself succeeds (see r20687 through r20690)
00:38:03	rasher	amiconn: I'd say that's a bug
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00:38:29	amiconn	It's a feature. That discussion is old and was held several times. Check the irc logs
00:38:56	amiconn	kkurbjun: Suboptimal fix...
00:39:04	rasher	If you want to build a broken zip, you could call buildzip.pl
00:39:24	rasher	make zip should properly identify its dependencies which is a properly "made" build
00:39:30	Llorean	rasher: Or it could always build the zip even if the build returns errors.
00:39:39	Llorean	So that it compiles and zips, no matter what.
00:40:00	rasher	I doubt make will let you do that
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00:41:00	amiconn	There are several other scenarios where the current 'make zip' behaviour has advantages
00:41:12	kkurbjun	amiconn, I agree, it's not ideal, I would prefer it to display a portion of the screen, but I don't have the time to do it at the moment, the boundary check was needed there anyway
00:41:34	amiconn	If you want to check width and height directly, it would be better to do it before calculating all the inner_* values.
00:41:55	kkurbjun	true
00:41:58	amiconn	But if not, the comparison can be made more compact
00:41:59	bertrik	I think the current make zip is perhaps not perfect from a theoretical point of view, but very workable and I see no need to change the current behaviour
00:42:30	amiconn	How about this: if ((inner_wd \| inner_ht) < 0) return;
00:43:12	halmi	In my opinion the make zip problem is that buildzip.pl (since r20687always assumes that you want to install rockbox (not zipping). And if you don't install it, it dies with the error because $install is set to /dev/null
00:43:18	amiconn	(1) If I accidentally delete the .zip too early. Can happen if you have more than one target needing the same build (like I do for ipod G1 and G2)
00:43:50	amiconn	(2) If adapt a few plugins, it is faster to run make rocks && make zip instead of make && make zip
00:43:52	rasher	amiconn: wow, that's the best you can come up with?
00:44:01	Llorean	Maybe "configure" could ask for "archive format", and if you select something other than (n)one, it could by default zip at the end of a normal "make"?
00:44:24	Llorean	Then "make zip" could be reserved for its normal purpose, and we could simplify building so people don't ask me "how do I get a rockbox.zip to install after compiling?"
00:44:25	*	rasher isn't really terribly interested in changing the current behaviour, but it really is broken
00:44:40	kkurbjun	amiconn, sounds good, I have to run at the moment, but I'll tighten it up later
00:44:41	amiconn	Imo it's not broken at all
00:44:51	amiconn	Many *nix programs need make && make install
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00:45:39	amiconn	kkurbjun: Hmm, interesting: there's no delta?!
00:46:15	halmi	Hey, guys! I don't want to annoy you, but I think at the moment it is more important to get the zips running again than discussing about the general weaknesses of the make / make zip system...
00:47:34	rasher	halmi: I don't think anyone disagrees - probably just lack the willpower to fix buildzip.pl :\
00:47:40	bertrik	halmi, I agree, we should drag kugel back from wherever he is now (asleep?) and make him fix it :)
00:48:58	DarkSpectrum-	rasher: i have a request please, how about a download counter on the themes site so people can see which themes are more popular
00:49:47	amiconn	kkurbjun: I guess the missing delta has to do with the missing zips... the build system extracts the info text from there afaik
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00:50:18	rasher	DarkSpectrum-: Personally I think that's a bit silly, since you should pick what you like, rather than what other people like. This is also a perfect excuse to avoid having to parse the apache logs to extract this information
00:50:37	DarkSpectrum-	eh just thought it would be cool
00:50:39	rasher	DarkSpectrum-: But really, yes, it'd be sort of nice to have, but I'm not too eager on doing it
00:51:39	saratoga_work	that would be nice to have
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00:52:52	*	rasher doesn't get it
00:53:04	rasher	It's not like there are so many themes that you can't possibly go through them
00:53:36	DarkSpectrum-	no but it's nice info esp. for people designing themes, so they can see what styles people want the most
00:53:50	halmi	The buildzip.pl could be fixed just by changing line 24 from 'my $install="/dev/null";' to 'my $install;'.
00:54:15	MT	linuxstb : cook's been extracted ;) .. it compiles now without errors, except for some warnings of functions that are declared deprecated, will fix that later, tomorrow I'll archive it to a library and test it to see if it works correctly.
00:55:41	linuxstb	MT: Nice.
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00:58:39	halmi	Then make zip works and make install works if PREFIX=... is given. However, make install doesn't work without prefix despite showing no error.
00:59:46	DarkSpectrum-	wow it took 17 minutes to ping out
00:59:55	halmi	And as I have no clue about perl I don't know how to fix line 442, so that it works as it should.
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01:07:55	Fjss	I am using a 32gb cf card with an iflash adapter on my 5g ipod. With the stock apple firmware I get a restore error the first time turn on the ipod after it goes to sleep. Anyone know if this will happen with rockbox os?
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01:11:38	rasher	Maybe we should just revert the buildzip change
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01:13:24	soap	Fjss: When you say "goes to sleep" - do you mean that not-quite-off mode the iPods go into after only a few moments, or the fully off more they go into after a few days?
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01:14:37	Fjss	soap: The one they go into after a few days. Mine seems more like 8 hours
01:14:59	halmi606	Well maybe reverting the change is really the simpler option
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01:16:12	soap	Fjss: you get the silvery apple upon boot before this error?
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01:18:11	soap	Fjss: Is this an iPod displayed error or an iTunes displayed error?
01:19:17	Fjss	soap: This is an ipod displayed error. The first time I boot after it sleeps the apple logo is black. I get the error then reboot. The second time i get the silver apple
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01:20:13	*	rasher just reverted it
01:20:42	halmi	rasher: But there is maybe something more to consider...
01:21:21	rasher	halmi: oh?
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01:22:00	rayj	hello
01:22:07	halmi	Because in r20689 there was a fix in root.make which just removed some backslashes for fullinstall.
01:22:17	soap	Fjss: I've never seen such an error - trying to figure out if it is a hardware or Apple OS problem - else I can't say if Rockbox will "cure" it. As there is no harm in trying Rockbox I would... That said I would also run the iPod's diagnostic mode.
01:23:10	halmi	rasher: The backslashes were not there at install, but they are still there at zip, fullzip, ...
01:23:38	Llorean	soap: I'm pretty sure the "restore needed" error comes before the firmware image is loaded, so it'd be something in the Apple bootloader. I doubt Rockbox fill fix it unless our changed to the firmware partition make it more likeable somehow
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01:23:53	*	rasher thinks kugel should just have another go
01:24:20	rasher	It seems like a (semi)useful thing to add. It should just be less buggy
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01:25:18	Fjss	Is there any way to change the apple bootloader in the ipod?
01:26:39	saratoga_work	no
01:27:38	Llorean	Not yet at least.
01:28:10	halmi	rasher: Okay, you have reverted 20689 too. So that the backslash/no backslash stuff is "consistent" now again.
01:28:52	rasher	Ah yes, I reverted to before all this tomfoolery
01:29:59	soap	Fjss: If it is happening before the OS image is loaded - which makes sense, the problem (likely) isn't in the bootloader itself, so replacing that is the wrong ave. to be walking down.
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01:33:36	rayj	hoping i can get some help
01:33:52	rayj	i got sansa e260 cracked lcd
01:33:53	Fjss	soap: Thanks for the help. I still think I'm going to give rb a try, it looks better than the apple os.
01:33:59	rayj	trying to install voice
01:34:24	rayj	i rub linux & am using rbutilqt
01:34:42	hillshum	rayj: what issues do you have?
01:35:02	rayj	create voice file
01:35:07	kugel	:(
01:35:09	kugel	bad day for me
01:35:28	rayj	the downloaded file was empty
01:35:49	kugel	rasher: thanks for reverting, just read about the problem
01:36:32	kugel	somehow I didn't catch this while testing
01:37:48	halmi	kugel: It is kind of traceable that you didn't notice that.
01:38:00	halmi	You were working at make install
01:38:19	halmi	And probably never tried make zip
01:38:21	kugel	I tested make zip too, but apparently not in the later steps anymore
01:38:29	halmi	oh, okay
01:38:51	*	kugel doesn't quite understand the make fullinstall one though
01:40:37	kugel	this should've given a red in the build table imo :(
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01:41:38	rasher	The build server never sees the make zip step iiuc
01:42:10	kugel	not sure how to make it right then
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01:42:20	Unhelpful	fullinstall is core, codecs, plugins, and fonts, isn't it?
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01:44:08	kugel	yep
01:47:04	kugel	rasher: yes, I will have another go :)
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01:48:16	kugel	what were the backslashes for? It seemed to me they're not needed. But I don't understand why removing them at install breaks fullinstall
01:48:56	*	rasher hasn't looked at it
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01:55:30	halmi	kugel: So you have removed the backslashes at install, right?
01:55:37	kugel	yes
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01:58:22	halmi	and according to the r20689 make fullinstall was fixed by removing them there also...
01:58:44	kugel	yep..
01:59:16	halmi	Anyway, what are those backslashes for?
01:59:23	kugel	no idea
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02:00:16	kugel	oh, and the other thing why I have a bad day is: my fuze broken
02:00:53	halmi	How did that happen?
02:02:24	kugel	well, I was walking there, trying to pick a song. and then, suddenly some guys were running towards me and bumped into me
02:03:00	kugel	I lost the control of the fuze, it flew onto the street and a car came to drive over it :(
02:03:21	halmi	Uh, that's really bad.
02:03:37	halmi	And bad luck too...
02:03:49	Llorean	This isn't really on-topic for the channel, guys.
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02:05:31	Adam917	Kinda funny that the question I asked some hours ago wasn't answered at all but this other chatter seems to be popular.
02:05:32	halmi	Sorry. But I have a question about the Fuze anyway: What use has the home-button in Rockbox?
02:05:57	kugel	stopping playback and exiting plugins, mostly
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02:07:02	rasher	Adam917: "some hours ago" - that was more than half a day ago!
02:07:05	Llorean	Adam917: Well, your question requires very specific knowledge. There's not even a guarantee anyone even knows.
02:07:24	hillshum	what was the question?
02:07:58	rasher	I'm pretty sure the bigdisk thing is due to limitations in the usb bridge chip used in the Archoses. I wouldn't think the one in h100 has it, but I'm not going to give any guarantee
02:08:03	Adam917	OK. I basically asked if any mods were required to Rockbox to run a larger-than-128 GiB drive on an iriver device like H140 etc
02:08:36	Adam917	And if USB could access the whole drive / if any partitioning is required
02:08:52	*	hillshum didn't think he would know
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02:09:16	Adam917	60 GB isn't enough for me anymore & I'd like to upgrade someday before my phone catches up! LOL
02:09:57	hillshum	until the phone has RB it won't be a match
02:10:10	Adam917	I know that of course
02:10:16	Llorean	Adam917: Have you searched the forums?
02:10:20	Adam917	But my H140 is so bulky
02:10:34	*	soap will take it off your hands.
02:10:46	*	soap will even give you a nano or sansa in trade.
02:10:50	Adam917	The forums have not given me a clear answer to this question
02:11:03	Llorean	Adam917: But on the forums you can find threads of people who've actually done this, and ask there.
02:11:21	Llorean	Either way, it's clear it's possible to upgrade the HD, so you could always do it, and see if the custom build is needed, since it'd still be usable with a custom build
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02:16:43	amiconn	The bridge chip in the irivers does support lba48
02:18:17	amiconn	In order to use a hdd >137GB in an iriver running rockbox, you need to build with HAVE_LBA48
02:18:32	amiconn	This may be necessary for the bootloader as well
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02:19:12	Llorean	amiconn: Any reason not to build all bootloaders with it normally? Is it a RAM cost only, or is there a performance cost as well?
02:19:36	amiconn	It may be impossible to run the OF on such an iriver, which leads to the problem of flashing
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02:20:54	amiconn	Llorean: There is a tiny performance cost as well (an if() on every ata_*_sectors() call), which is probably unnoticeable
02:21:17	amiconn	But bootloader binsize is also important, especially on the irivers
02:21:42	Llorean	I thought we had plenty of space to fit the bootloader on the iRivers?
02:22:05	Adam917	OK so it seems the Rockbox-side has been covered (thanks - and I'll do more research on this). Has anyone already mentioned about USB support or has that been covered w/ your mention of the chip supporting 48-bit LBA?
02:22:09	amiconn	Not on the h1x0. The OF takes almost all ROM.
02:22:45	Llorean	Ah. So it's a case of "if it would fit, it might make sense to do so" then?
02:23:03	amiconn	Of course flashing rockbox is an option, but it's still not officially supported
02:24:07	amiconn	Llorean: certainly not for all targets. Maybe for those which do support lba-48 via usb as well (i.e. all hdd targets except the archoses)
02:24:28	amiconn	But then the main builds for those targets should also support lba-48
02:24:54	Adam917	Support may still want to be added if only due to the fact that replacement drives are getting big and soon it may be hard to find smaller drives
02:25:58	amiconn	You can always use a >137GB hdd without having lba-48 support, by limiting it to 137GB. Some drives even have a jumper for forcing the limit
02:26:13	Adam917	Common scenario might be: someone's 5-year-old DAP 'breaks' - turns out it was the HDD (most likely thing to go in these devices). Search for replacement drives? 100+ GB.
02:27:15	rasher	amiconn: that's not terribly satisfactory though
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02:28:52	Adam917	I wouldn't mind limiting say a 160GB drive to 128 GiB but with say a 200GB and of course you lose a lot of capacity
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02:40:41	soap	you can get 100+GB 50 pin ATA drives?
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02:49:38	Adam917	No but you can get ZIF ones and get or make an adapter. Maybe large 50-pin drives do exist nowdays.
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03:01:49	*	kugel thinks he got make install working
03:03:11	kugel	anyone wants to test?
03:03:19	hillshum	The svn trunk isn't a full 300MG is it?
03:04:39	rasher	hillshum: doesn't sound too far off
03:05:23	kugel	hillshum: should be ~150MB, but if you have built something in it, 300 sounds very possible
03:05:57	hillshum	but a plain checkout shouldn't be that much?
03:06:15	*	hillshum gets the tarball
03:06:54	kugel	not sure, actually
03:06:56	Llorean	A plain checkout should be twice the actual source size, since SVN keeps a second 'clean' copy of all files
03:07:00	Llorean	Right?
03:07:05	Llorean	For reversions without internet access
03:07:07	kugel	someone yesterday told about 147MB iirc
03:07:38	rasher	292MB
03:08:02	rasher	For a fresh checkout
03:08:16	hillshum	okay,
03:08:20	kugel	hm
03:08:36	kugel	arez was wrong then, he probably messued the svn compressed size
03:08:55	hillshum	or read something wrong
03:09:14	kugel	well, svn compresses before sending it to you when you checkout
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03:21:13	froggyman	are there anything on how rockbox got created or anything similar?
03:22:25	rasher	froggyman: http://www.rockbox.org/history.html goes pretty far back in short quips
03:22:33	hillshum	i think ther'res somthing on the wiki
03:23:49	froggyman	sweet, thanks
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03:28:23	froggyman	thats pretty cool, it would neat to have a bigger article about like how the orginal thought came into place and where it got started, atleast in My opinion
03:29:30	hillshum	i think there's something at Bagder's site, let me look
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03:36:49	Bernd	here
03:36:53	Bernd	http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/06/18/portably-yours/
03:40:12	hillshum	Bernd, Is that linked somewhere on the wiki?
03:40:54	Bernd	no idea - found that someday on his BLOG
03:41:48	hillshum	hmm
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03:45:05	froggyman	thats pretty awesome, i should write a paper on this someday for school
03:48:49	hillshum	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxOrgEmail "contributer" means committer right?
03:50:02	Llorean	hillshum: Mainly, yes.
03:50:47	hillshum	should that be better clarified? (not "someone who has contributed anything")
03:51:57	Llorean	Well, I don't believe anybody has one of those yet
03:52:11	Llorean	But it's not just committers, I think. As far as I know, people like our forum staff would also be granted one if asked.
03:52:45	Llorean	People can probably figure it out, and if they can't, they'll get told otherwise when they ask for one.
03:53:29	hillshum	Devs and up on the forum basically?
03:53:46	Llorean	There's no specific line.
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04:39:17	CGIIRC	hey hey
04:39:32	Strife89	Howdy.
04:40:15	CGIIRC	i need some help unbrinking my sansa here i get to step 4.5 and everything isnt very clear '
04:40:26	CGIIRC	http://fixmysansa.blogspot.com/
04:40:49	CGIIRC	can someone help me to either clarify or tell me what im doing wrong?
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04:42:08	soap	Two things (assuming you're using that blog and not Rockbox official documentation) - I don't see step 4.5 on that blog, and we can't support non rockbox docs.
04:42:17	scorche	CGIIRC: first off, dont ask us to help you with something that isnt written by us...secondly, there is no 4.5 there
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04:42:35	rasher	Did anyone tell him that there is no step 4.5?
04:42:36	CGIIRC	4rth step 2nd part
04:42:48	rasher	There is no step 4.
04:42:59	hillshum	it goes to three
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04:43:13	CGIIRC	You may now notice that the scroll wheel blinks once and then the logo appears. The player will be now mounted in recovery mode, with a 16 mg disk. The mounted “disk” should open automatically, if not search for it in File System/media/.
04:43:13	CGIIRC	that part
04:44:12	scorche	CGIIRC: did you forget about the second part of our concerns?....dont come here asking for help on something that isnt written by us...we will help with our steps listed in the wiki, but if you want help with those, ask whoever wrote it
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04:44:38	CGIIRC	okay can i get the site where yours is posted?
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04:44:44	scorche	www.rockbox.org
04:45:29	re-peat	wich device is it?
04:45:35	CGIIRC	Sansa e260
04:46:13	CGIIRC	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick -leads to same page?
04:46:33	soap	The same page as...?
04:46:47	CGIIRC	the 1st page link i posted it to
04:47:06	re-peat	lol
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04:48:06	CGIIRC	like i get everything but the last part? when i unplug it nothingg happends
04:48:12	scorche	i dont see a link to that page anywhere on that page, and if there was, i dont see it
04:48:21	scorche	er...if there was, it should be removed
04:49:09	re-peat	love to help but i only have a nano 1g ipod
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04:49:22	CGIIRC	okay thanks for trying
04:50:10	re-peat	but i've recovered it multiple times without issue its practicly impossible to irriversibly brick this ipod
04:50:37	CGIIRC	ya
04:50:45	Llorean	CGIIRC: I don't see any link to that blogspot article on the SansaE200Unbrick page. Either way, you shouldn't be following off-site instructions. If you need help with the blogspot article, write an email to its author
04:50:49	soap	A quick glance at that blog doesn't look like our wiki instructions, but I'll admit to not reading it in depth.
04:50:54	CGIIRC	mines dosnt do anything after it
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14:32:36	Dagni	i'm want to convert me entire media library to FLAC. is there any specific parameters or settings that must be used to make my file playable in rockbox?
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14:35:16	gevaerts	The only restriction that I'm aware of is that rockbox can't handle flac in an ogg container, so you need normal .flac files. I'd just try a few files with the settings you want though, that should show any problems right away (although I really don't expect any)
14:36:35	Dagni	ok thankyou
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15:11:23	soap	Dagni - No ID3 tags on your flac files, only vorbis comments (the standard)
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16:20:54	jenfield	I have a Sansa e280 v2 with a cracked screen. It no longer seems to work for me. However, I'm hoping the rockbox team can get some use from the hardware.
16:21:59	re-peat	i'll take it
16:22:04	Li_Syaoran	lol
16:22:17	jenfield	I'm willing to donate it - I'll even pay shipping.
16:22:41	Li_Syaoran	ship it to badger
16:23:22	linuxstb	jenfield: Does it still work? i.e. can you see what's on the LCD?
16:23:58	jenfield	I think it does still work. The screen is just an inky mess, when it is turned on.
16:24:49	jenfield	I know rockbox is not currently supported on v2 sansa hardware - so I though this might give someone a change to muck with the hardware.
16:25:31	gevaerts	jenfield: where in the world are you?
16:25:36	jenfield	Michigan
16:25:48	jenfield	(U.S.A)
16:26:17	linuxstb	jenfield: Maybe you could post in the development thread on the forums, offering the player? That's probably the best place to reach people actually working on it. It also seems very quiet in this channel today. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0
16:26:33	soap	Where in Michigan, jenfield?
16:26:34	gevaerts	Either that or have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DonatedHardware
16:28:00	jenfield	wow - missed that wiki page.
16:28:20	jenfield	I'll follow those instructions. Thank you gevaerts.
16:28:37	soap	I ask because I am often in the Toledo area and Detroit (even Ann Arbor) is not a hassle for me.
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16:30:07	re-peat	i went up to toledo ohio last week
16:30:16	jenfield	I'm north of Detroit.
16:30:19	*	re-peat is in cincinnati
16:30:54	re-peat	the drive is unbearable
16:30:58	re-peat	3+hrs
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17:13:29	yash	I'm a GSoC applicant, having been assigned a task, The deadline is mentioned as 13th april 12:00 UTC,
17:13:51	yash	I was wondering if it's 12:00 AM or PM.
17:14:11	linuxstb	12:00 noon - there is no 12:00 AM or PM
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17:16:56	yash	thanx, linuxstb, i understand.
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19:10:34	FlynDice	Is there any info stashed away somewhere on what needs to be accomplished by the bootloader or what should or should not be done by the bootloader. Or is it simply what you can make fit?
19:12:28	rasher	Which target?
19:12:52	FlynDice	ams sansa
19:12:54	bertrik	I don't know of any guidelines, but I think a bootloader should just do the minimal initialisation to get the main rockbox firmware running, so general system init, LCD to display bootloading progress, buttons perhaps and disk
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19:15:32	FlynDice	So does it really need to do anything more than prepare the sytem to jump to the main code?
19:15:56	kugel	no
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19:20:41	bertrik	FlynDice, I'm thinking of committing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9985 , have you been running with version 2 or 4 of that patch lately?
19:22:31	bertrik	I think it applies to all ams sansas, currently the clip still uses the date/time convention of the v1 sansas
19:24:03	rasher	FlynDice: It should also do enough to let the OF boot if at all possible
19:25:25	FlynDice	bertrik: sorry I really haven't used anything but mmu patches for the past 2 weeks flailing away with no luck
19:26:24	FlynDice	rasher: i think the dualboot code takes care of the of booting for the ams sansa so I'm ok there...
19:26:38	FlynDice	for the OF I mean
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19:42:37	kugel	FlynDice: right, the bootloader is as safe as as the main firmware wrt to breaking the of
19:43:49	kugel	the only two possibilities to break the OF are a) breakin dual boot b) making the bootloader bigger than the space we have after compressing the of (in which case mkamsboot should error out)
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19:51:02	bertrik	ouch, c200v2 doesn't compile
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20:06:31	froggyman	are their working stable models of the Lyre project yet?
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20:07:39	linuxstb	froggyman: No.
20:08:29	*	bluebrother doesn't understand FS #10124
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20:08:36	froggyman	do you think there will be stable builds of it in a year or so?
20:09:58	linuxstb	You are better off asking the people working on it - that isn't me.
20:12:22	froggyman	ok, I thought maybe there was someone that was working on it, on here and was just putting it out in the open
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20:24:31	kugel	Slasheri: ping
20:24:55	Slasheri	kugel: hi
20:25:22	kugel	Slasheri: any opinion regarding http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9371 ?
20:27:54	Slasheri	kugel: that looks really great
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20:29:42	kugel	Slasheri: Read the latest comment I added? Would you be fine with that?
20:30:14	kugel	I'm just wondering how endianess needs to be taken into account for creating a db for the target
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20:31:35	kugel	also, might getting problematic if run on a 64bit os
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20:34:47	pixelma	Slasheri: while you're at it - could you have a look at the patch at the end of FS #9093 ?
20:40:11	Slasheri	just a moment :)
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20:43:05	Slasheri	kugel: engianess doesn't matter, db can handle both
20:43:24	Slasheri	but native host endianess would be a little bit faster
20:47:00	Slasheri	only paths can be problematic, no idea if the tool has been adjusted to that. But anyway, it's great to see such a tool created using the tagcache core
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20:51:05	kugel	Slasheri:
20:51:11	kugel	Slasheri: I thought so too :)
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20:52:02	Slasheri	pixelma: that patch should be ok :)
20:53:28	Slasheri	pixelma: (the latest one of course)
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21:00:10	pixelma	Slasheri: nice, will keep it in mind though I still want to test before
21:00:20	pyro_maniac	kugel: ping
21:00:20	kugel	saratoga_work: shall I commit the polling patch?
21:00:33	kugel	pyro_maniac: pong
21:00:56	pyro_maniac	kugel: can I get some code of lowlight too?
21:01:47	kugel	sure, alternatively you could wait a few days, since I asked lowlight if shall commit it if he's lacking time atm
21:02:04	froggyman	I have a diretory on my iPod that is not deleting, it will delete for a little bit, but then comes back −−-and its not one the DOS commands
21:02:28	pyro_maniac	kugel: no testing needed?
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21:03:56	kugel	You want it now?
21:04:07	kugel	then wait a few minutes (and give me your email)
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21:05:34	pyro_maniac	I think there is testing needed because lowlights first bootloader didn't work at all
21:06:23	pyro_maniac	kugel: pyro_maniac at gulli dot com
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21:11:36	kugel	pyro_maniac: which player did you have?
21:11:45	kugel	820 or 929?
21:11:51	kugel	920*
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21:24:06	kugel	pyro_maniac: You got main :)
21:24:10	kugel	mail!
21:26:27	pyro_maniac	kugel: got it
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21:31:25	pyro_maniac	kugel: incomplete patch?
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21:32:40	lee321987	http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=20687 −−−−−− I'm using Cygwin. Can I make use of this? Does my DAP need to be connected when I run 'make fullinstall'?
21:33:03	kugel	pyro_maniac: the first one, yes
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21:33:51	kugel	lee321987: try something like /m/ (where m would correspond to M:, replace with the drive letter of your dap)
21:34:06	pyro_maniac	kugel: ok, because I had problems
21:35:15	kugel	pyro_maniac: get a fresh checkout now, svn revert won't help much (unless you svn add all created files)
21:35:17	lee321987	so I run 'make' first - right?
21:35:35	kugel	first you need 'PREFIX=/m/ ../tools/configure"
21:35:50	kugel	then make, then make install
21:36:05	lee321987	thanks....
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21:37:41	pyro_maniac	kugel: the result is still the same
21:37:53	kugel	pastebin the error pls
21:37:58	pyro_maniac	kugel: patch was not applyable
21:38:06	kugel	huh
21:38:30	kugel	pastebin the error please (and the command you used) anyway
21:40:43	pyro_maniac	ah sorry
21:41:01	pyro_maniac	my false, I expected a git patch
21:41:14	kugel	hehe, no, I'm not using git
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21:42:43	lee321987	it created a dir in the root of my Cygwin dir called "k" (D:\cywin\k), and installed there. Any ideas?
21:43:16	linuxstb	I think you need something like /cygdrive/k/ to access k:
21:43:31	linuxstb	Do "ls /cygdrive/k/" first to check
21:43:35	kugel	oh, possibly, my bad then
21:44:26	kugel	ah, msys was /<driveletter>/, not cygwin :S
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21:47:37	pyro_maniac	kugel: I have problems on compiling. ak4537.h seems to be a problem
21:47:46	pyro_maniac	kugel: did you missed the file?
21:47:52	kugel	I think so, yes :)
21:48:30	pyro_maniac	kugel: new patch? :-)
21:49:22	lee321987	"/cygdrive/k/" worked. Thanks guys.
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21:50:17	kugel	pyro_maniac: check your mail
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22:00:22	motionman95	Could some one explain the use of settings_parseline()? I know it returns the "name" and "value" but I'm not sure what params to feed it.
22:00:32	pyro_maniac	kugel: I still got the same problem at bookmark.o and powermgmt.
22:01:35	pyro_maniac	kugel: make said, that there is no rule for ak4537.h
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22:10:24	gevaerts	motionman95: you've never seen doom, metronome or the midi player? :)
22:11:41	motionman95	I'll search for it's usage and see if I get a better understanding.
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22:12:56	gevaerts	motionman95: anyway, the settings_parseline() prototype seems to indicate to me that you feed it a string (a line from a settings file?) and it gives you two strings (name and value)
22:12:56	gevaerts	I haven't used it myself though
22:13:29	fml	gevaerts: hello. Are those { and } in the switch statement there just to make sure that all variables are local in the respective case block?
22:13:48	gevaerts	fml: that's usually why I put them there, yes
22:14:23	fml	gevaerts: ok. Just testing my C knowledge :-) But it would also work without {}, right?
22:14:55	fml	gevaerts: provided that there's no variable clash of course
22:14:56	gevaerts	maybe. I'd have to look at it. You may get duplicate variable declarations if you take them away
22:15:13	motionman95	gevaerts: A question: in a switch statement is it possible to check for two cases in one case? Like this: switch(a){case 1 or 2: //do somthin}
22:15:35	fml	motionman95: just put those two cases one after the other
22:15:42	pyro_maniac	kugel: is there still something missing in the patch
22:15:49	pyro_maniac	kugel: ?
22:16:12	fml	motionman95: it's done often in the RB code, like this: case A: case B: my_code; blah; break;
22:16:31	motionman95	gevaerts: so you mean: "case 1 case 2: //do somethin"?
22:17:03	motionman95	Whoops, didn't see you post. My bad.
22:17:11	fml	motionman95: I don't know what gevaerts means, but yes, that would work. You missed a colon after 1 though
22:21:03	motionman95	Has anyone seen a plugin that can play sounds? On the forum, someone suggested that a piano plugin be made.
22:21:38	froggyman	yeah the metronome can, cant it?
22:22:01	fml	kugel, Llorean: has there been any discussion about the hop eature besides the couple of the mails on the list? I couldn't access the IRC a couple of days and am too lazy to read all the logs
22:22:39	motionman95	froggyman: Woah, I just got finished reading your forum post.
22:22:59	gevaerts	motionman95: lots of plugins play sound
22:23:51	motionman95	@ALL: BRB.
22:24:30	kugel	fml: not really
22:24:44	kugel	pyro_maniac: I don't think so, what's the error?
22:25:06	kugel	always apply it to a fresh source
22:26:30	fml	kugel: so nobod is really interested except pondlife who's against changing anything
22:27:49	pyro_maniac	kugel: as I said before no rule for ak4537.h
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22:34:56	gevaerts	froggyman: why wouldn't rockdoom and rockboy be plugins?
22:35:49	Keripo	I've gotten around to updating the tasks section for my GSoC proposal - see the latest comment I added
22:36:03	kugel	pyro_maniac: ok
22:36:30	kugel	now it should be there
22:37:20	Keripo	on a side note, got a small SDL demo running fine on my PSP using the Rockbox's makefiles, trying to get the UISim running bit by bit but will be extremely busy with midterms this coming week ; /
22:38:33	kugel	fml: that doesn't surprise me
22:39:13	kugel	pyro_maniac: I zipped v3 again, not v4 (you could've tell me that :p)
22:39:47	pyro_maniac	kugel: oh I don't mantioned that
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22:43:23	Llorean	gevaerts: I asked the same thing in-thread.
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22:51:59	obo	Do any GSoC people have any comments regarding the patch I posted for my assessment task? Is what I've done so far along the right lines, and does it need to go any further?
22:57:07	kugel	pyro_maniac: did you get the mail?
22:57:47	pyro_maniac	kugel: no I am still waiting.
22:58:02	kugel	omg
22:58:54	pyro_maniac	kugel: :-)
22:59:53	kugel	pyro_maniac: say something...
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23:00:07	kugel	"now it should be there" meant I sent another mail
23:01:00	kugel	pyro_maniac: the mails don't get through
23:01:24	pyro_maniac	kugel: I still got no mail
23:01:39	kugel	yes, the mails don't get through
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23:01:55	kugel	"Mail konnte nicht zugestellt werden / Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender"
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23:02:36	kugel	something is wrong with my clips radio
23:03:00	pyro_maniac	kugel: I sent a testmail to you
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23:03:53	kugel	rofl
23:03:55	kugel	again
23:04:03	kugel	ok, wait a second
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23:07:16	gevaerts	obo: I think it's fine
23:07:50	obo	gevaerts: okay, thanks!
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