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#rockbox log for 2009-04-12

00:01:17LloreanArlight, split 'em
00:02:14soapReally need a board "Non-Rockbox issues with hardware" as "Hardware" is full of "How to recognize 1st or 2nd generation Nano?" which isn't a Rockbox's-Interaction-With-Hardware question, nor is it a repair issue.
00:02:42Lloreansoap: That could go in General, really
00:02:54soapBut it's not about rockbox! ;)
00:03:11LloreanIt is if you're trying to install. It's a question about a step in the install process - "Determine what iPod you have"
00:03:20LloreanOf course, I guess it goes under "Manual Install" then.
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00:11:26saratoga_workrockbox and the fuze has become downright usable, aside from the poor battery life
00:12:07LloreanIs the clip still experiencing strange issues, or is this a general "AMS is better" situation?
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00:12:26saratoga_worki haven't tried the clip recently, but it should be the same as the Fuze
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00:13:39saratoga_workonce the MMU is enabled and rbutil supports it, it'll basically be ready for normal users
00:14:17Lloreansaratoga_work: Well, RBUtil support would still be really nice.
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00:14:47halmiI just wanted to compile Rockbox with the current svn (r20689) and got an issue when doing "make zip"
00:15:32halmiIt stops with an error saying that PREFIX isnt set or so.
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00:16:06LloreanCould you put the whole error in a pastebin somewhere?
00:16:25halmiAs far as I have recognized, this trouble started with the changes in r20687
00:17:18halmiI think that thing with the pastebin isn't necessary, as I think I have found out the reason.
00:17:32kkurbjunamiconn, I found the problem
00:17:44kkurbjunit was in the scrollbar drawing code
00:18:31kkurbjungui_scrollbar_draw is called with a height of 0 which comes out to be a negative number once the inner ht and inner wd is calculated
00:18:42kkurbjunwell, more the inner_ht
00:19:33halmiin r20687 there was a change in the where - among some other changes - $sim was replaced by $install
00:20:32halmiAnd in lines 441 and following there is checked if that variable is set, and if it is set to /dev/null, ...
00:21:44freqmod_quhave nobody else experienced that the songs on the clip stops half way?
00:22:18halmiI'm not very familiar with perl, but thats my assumption: On line 24 the code now says my $install="/dev/null"; - before the change it was only my $sim
00:23:00bertrikfreqmod_qu, yes I've seen that. The glitching seems to have disappeared with the recent AMS checkins, but I also get reproduceable stops on some tracks
00:23:16freqmod_quthen it is not only me
00:23:42halmiI don't know how perl handles this, but it would be logical that when theres only a name of a variable, its only kind of initialized, whereas if there is also a value for it, it is set.
00:25:03halmiAnd I think on line 441ff the script checks if $install is set (in assumption that it is only set if the parameter -i was given), but it is set in any case.
00:25:40halmiAnd if the parameter is not given, then the value is still /dev/null which means, it dies with that special error
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00:27:04halmiI have changed line 24 to my $install; and it works for my case. I know that this doesn't solve the problem, but maybe it can help you to solve it.
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00:28:16halmiObviously since r20687 no one tried to do a make zip...
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00:28:47Lloreanhalmi: zips should be made continually, it should be used to make the zips we distribute from our build servers.
00:29:22LloreanEvery SVN commit should result in one.
00:30:16bertrikLlorean, apparently kugel broke it ...
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00:30:32bertrikthe latest available zips are r20686
00:30:40LloreanIt looks like only the latest SVN commit would trigger a build.
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00:31:48Lloreanhalmi: Have you tried your fix?
00:32:07bertrikah ok, forgot about the build trigger being smart to trigger only on relevant source files
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00:32:32Lloreanbertrik: It *looks* like amiconn's commit also triggered one though
00:32:37saratoga_workwhy doesn't a failed make zip trigger an error on the build table?
00:33:36LloreanWhy is "make" and then "make zip" necessary? Shouldn't "make zip" perform a make, and then if successful, zip it up?
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00:34:15saratoga_work"Warning: couldn't get zip from"
00:34:23saratoga_workyes the build table reports no problems
00:34:27amiconnLlorean: No it shouldn't, on purpose
00:34:28bertrikr20690 by kkurbjun should definitely have triggered a new zip
00:34:36Lloreanamiconn: Why not?
00:34:47saratoga_workit did trigger a build
00:34:56amiconnHow else would you 'make zip' if some plugins fail to build?
00:35:08LloreanBuild without the plugins.
00:35:16amiconnThat's not an option
00:35:34LloreanI've built without specific plugins dozens of times.
00:35:35amiconnWhen adapting plugins, you'll usually go one-by-one
00:35:56amiconnAnd then you surely want to test before finishing the whole bunch
00:36:09rasherSo enable them one by one?
00:36:12amiconnIt's also faster
00:36:24halmiMy "fix" isn't really a fix
00:36:28amiconn...if 'make zip' limits itself to what it's meant for
00:36:56halmiIt's just a workaround, so that make zip works.
00:37:00rashermake zip right will fail due to broken dependencies..
00:37:08rasherUnless you've run "make" first
00:37:10Lloreanamiconn: But if you haven't yet done a make, how can "make zip" complete without making?
00:37:46amiconnThe point is that I can run 'make zip' after 'make', even if 'make' fails somewhere inbetween
00:37:47saratoga_workBagder: it seems to me that the build table doesn't notice if make zip fails, provided make itself succeeds (see r20687 through r20690)
00:38:03rasheramiconn: I'd say that's a bug
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00:38:29amiconnIt's a feature. That discussion is old and was held several times. Check the irc logs
00:38:56amiconnkkurbjun: Suboptimal fix...
00:39:04rasherIf you want to build a broken zip, you could call
00:39:24rashermake zip should properly identify its dependencies which *is* a properly "made" build
00:39:30Lloreanrasher: Or it could always build the zip even if the build returns errors.
00:39:39LloreanSo that it compiles *and* zips, no matter what.
00:40:00rasherI doubt make will let you do that
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00:41:00amiconnThere are several other scenarios where the current 'make zip' behaviour has advantages
00:41:12kkurbjunamiconn, I agree, it's not ideal, I would prefer it to display a portion of the screen, but I don't have the time to do it at the moment, the boundary check was needed there anyway
00:41:34amiconnIf you want to check width and height directly, it would be better to do it before calculating all the inner_* values.
00:41:58amiconnBut if not, the comparison can be made more compact
00:41:59bertrikI think the current make zip is perhaps not perfect from a theoretical point of view, but very workable and I see no need to change the current behaviour
00:42:30amiconnHow about this: if ((inner_wd | inner_ht) < 0) return;
00:43:12halmiIn my opinion the make zip problem is that (since r20687always assumes that you want to install rockbox (not zipping). And if you don't install it, it dies with the error because $install is set to /dev/null
00:43:18amiconn(1) If I accidentally delete the .zip too early. Can happen if you have more than one target needing the same build (like I do for ipod G1 and G2)
00:43:50amiconn(2) If adapt a few plugins, it is faster to run make rocks && make zip instead of make && make zip
00:43:52rasheramiconn: wow, that's the best you can come up with?
00:44:01LloreanMaybe "configure" could ask for "archive format", and if you select something other than (n)one, it could by default zip at the end of a normal "make"?
00:44:24LloreanThen "make zip" could be reserved for its normal purpose, and we could simplify building so people don't ask me "how do I get a to install after compiling?"
00:44:25*rasher isn't really terribly interested in changing the current behaviour, but it really is broken
00:44:40kkurbjunamiconn, sounds good, I have to run at the moment, but I'll tighten it up later
00:44:41amiconnImo it's not broken at all
00:44:51amiconnMany *nix programs need make && make install
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00:45:39amiconnkkurbjun: Hmm, interesting: there's no delta?!
00:46:15halmiHey, guys! I don't want to annoy you, but I think at the moment it is more important to get the zips running again than discussing about the general weaknesses of the make / make zip system...
00:47:34rasherhalmi: I don't think anyone disagrees - probably just lack the willpower to fix :\
00:47:40bertrikhalmi, I agree, we should drag kugel back from wherever he is now (asleep?) and make him fix it :)
00:48:58DarkSpectrum-rasher: i have a request please, how about a download counter on the themes site so people can see which themes are more popular
00:49:47amiconnkkurbjun: I guess the missing delta has to do with the missing zips... the build system extracts the info text from there afaik
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00:50:18rasherDarkSpectrum-: Personally I think that's a bit silly, since you should pick what *you* like, rather than what other people like. This is also a perfect excuse to avoid having to parse the apache logs to extract this information
00:50:37DarkSpectrum-eh just thought it would be cool
00:50:39rasherDarkSpectrum-: But really, yes, it'd be sort of nice to have, but I'm not too eager on doing it
00:51:39saratoga_workthat would be nice to have
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00:52:52*rasher doesn't get it
00:53:04rasherIt's not like there are so many themes that you can't possibly go through them
00:53:36DarkSpectrum-no but it's nice info esp. for people designing themes, so they can see what styles people want the most
00:53:50halmiThe could be fixed just by changing line 24 from 'my $install="/dev/null";' to 'my $install;'.
00:54:15MTlinuxstb : cook's been extracted ;) .. it compiles now without errors, except for some warnings of functions that are declared deprecated, will fix that later, tomorrow I'll archive it to a library and test it to see if it works correctly.
00:55:41linuxstbMT: Nice.
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00:58:39halmiThen make zip works and make install works if PREFIX=... is given. However, make install doesn't work without prefix despite showing no error.
00:59:46DarkSpectrum-wow it took 17 minutes to ping out
00:59:55halmiAnd as I have no clue about perl I don't know how to fix line 442, so that it works as it should.
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01:07:55FjssI am using a 32gb cf card with an iflash adapter on my 5g ipod. With the stock apple firmware I get a restore error the first time turn on the ipod after it goes to sleep. Anyone know if this will happen with rockbox os?
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01:11:38rasherMaybe we should just revert the buildzip change
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01:13:24soapFjss: When you say "goes to sleep" - do you mean that not-quite-off mode the iPods go into after only a few moments, or the fully off more they go into after a few days?
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01:14:37Fjsssoap: The one they go into after a few days. Mine seems more like 8 hours
01:14:59halmi606Well maybe reverting the change is really the simpler option
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01:16:12soapFjss: you get the silvery apple upon boot before this error?
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01:18:11soapFjss: Is this an iPod displayed error or an iTunes displayed error?
01:19:17Fjsssoap: This is an ipod displayed error. The first time I boot after it sleeps the apple logo is black. I get the error then reboot. The second time i get the silver apple
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01:20:13*rasher just reverted it
01:20:42halmirasher: But there is maybe something more to consider...
01:21:21rasherhalmi: oh?
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01:22:07halmiBecause in r20689 there was a fix in root.make which just removed some backslashes for fullinstall.
01:22:17soapFjss: I've never seen such an error - trying to figure out if it is a hardware or Apple OS problem - else I can't say if Rockbox will "cure" it. As there is no harm in trying Rockbox I would... That said I would also run the iPod's diagnostic mode.
01:23:10halmirasher: The backslashes were not there at install, but they are still there at zip, fullzip, ...
01:23:38Lloreansoap: I'm pretty sure the "restore needed" error comes before the firmware image is loaded, so it'd be something in the Apple bootloader. I doubt Rockbox fill fix it unless our changed to the firmware partition make it more likeable somehow
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01:23:53*rasher thinks kugel should just have another go
01:24:20rasherIt seems like a (semi)useful thing to add. It should just be less buggy
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01:25:18FjssIs there any way to change the apple bootloader in the ipod?
01:27:38LloreanNot yet at least.
01:28:10halmirasher: Okay, you have reverted 20689 too. So that the backslash/no backslash stuff is "consistent" now again.
01:28:52rasherAh yes, I reverted to before all this tomfoolery
01:29:59soapFjss: If it is happening before the OS image is loaded - which makes sense, the problem (likely) isn't in the bootloader itself, so replacing that is the wrong ave. to be walking down.
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01:33:36rayjhoping i can get some help
01:33:52rayji got sansa e260 cracked lcd
01:33:53Fjsssoap: Thanks for the help. I still think I'm going to give rb a try, it looks better than the apple os.
01:33:59rayjtrying to install voice
01:34:24rayji rub linux & am using rbutilqt
01:34:42hillshumrayj: what issues do you have?
01:35:02rayjcreate voice file
01:35:09kugelbad day for me
01:35:28rayjthe downloaded file was empty
01:35:49kugelrasher: thanks for reverting, just read about the problem
01:36:32kugelsomehow I didn't catch this while testing
01:37:48halmikugel: It is kind of traceable that you didn't notice that.
01:38:00halmiYou were working at make install
01:38:19halmiAnd probably never tried make zip
01:38:21kugelI tested make zip too, but apparently not in the later steps anymore
01:38:29halmioh, okay
01:38:51*kugel doesn't quite understand the make fullinstall one though
01:40:37kugelthis should've given a red in the build table imo :(
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01:41:38rasherThe build server never sees the make zip step iiuc
01:42:10kugelnot sure how to make it right then
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01:42:20Unhelpfulfullinstall is core, codecs, plugins, and fonts, isn't it?
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01:47:04kugelrasher: yes, I will have another go :)
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01:48:16kugelwhat were the backslashes for? It seemed to me they're not needed. But I don't understand why removing them at install breaks fullinstall
01:48:56*rasher hasn't looked at it
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01:55:30halmikugel: So you have removed the backslashes at install, right?
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01:58:22halmiand according to the r20689 make fullinstall was fixed by removing them there also...
01:59:16halmiAnyway, what are those backslashes for?
01:59:23kugelno idea
02:00:16kugeloh, and the other thing why I have a bad day is: my fuze broken
02:00:53halmiHow did that happen?
02:02:24kugelwell, I was walking there, trying to pick a song. and then, suddenly some guys were running towards me and bumped into me
02:03:00kugelI lost the control of the fuze, it flew onto the street and a car came to drive over it :(
02:03:21halmiUh, that's really bad.
02:03:37halmiAnd bad luck too...
02:03:49LloreanThis isn't really on-topic for the channel, guys.
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02:05:31Adam917Kinda funny that the question I asked some hours ago wasn't answered at all but this other chatter seems to be popular.
02:05:32halmiSorry. But I have a question about the Fuze anyway: What use has the home-button in Rockbox?
02:05:57kugelstopping playback and exiting plugins, mostly
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02:07:02rasherAdam917: "some hours ago" - that was more than half a day ago!
02:07:05LloreanAdam917: Well, your question requires very specific knowledge. There's not even a guarantee anyone even knows.
02:07:24hillshumwhat was the question?
02:07:58rasherI'm pretty sure the bigdisk thing is due to limitations in the usb bridge chip used in the Archoses. I wouldn't think the one in h100 has it, but I'm not going to give any guarantee
02:08:03Adam917OK. I basically asked if any mods were required to Rockbox to run a larger-than-128 GiB drive on an iriver device like H140 etc
02:08:36Adam917And if USB could access the whole drive / if any partitioning is required
02:08:52*hillshum didn't think he would know
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02:09:16Adam91760 GB isn't enough for me anymore & I'd like to upgrade someday before my phone catches up! LOL
02:09:57hillshumuntil the phone has RB it won't be a match
02:10:10Adam917I know that of course
02:10:16LloreanAdam917: Have you searched the forums?
02:10:20Adam917But my H140 is so bulky
02:10:34*soap will take it off your hands.
02:10:46*soap will even give you a nano or sansa in trade.
02:10:50Adam917The forums have not given me a clear answer to this question
02:11:03LloreanAdam917: But on the forums you can find threads of people who've actually *done* this, and ask there.
02:11:21LloreanEither way, it's clear it's *possible* to upgrade the HD, so you could always do it, and see if the custom build is needed, since it'd still be usable with a custom build
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02:16:43amiconnThe bridge chip in the irivers does support lba48
02:18:17amiconnIn order to use a hdd >137GB in an iriver running rockbox, you need to build with HAVE_LBA48
02:18:32amiconnThis may be necessary for the bootloader as well
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02:19:12Lloreanamiconn: Any reason not to build all bootloaders with it normally? Is it a RAM cost only, or is there a performance cost as well?
02:19:36amiconnIt *may* be impossible to run the OF on such an iriver, which leads to the problem of flashing
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02:20:54amiconnLlorean: There is a tiny performance cost as well (an if() on every ata_*_sectors() call), which is probably unnoticeable
02:21:17amiconnBut bootloader binsize is also important, especially on the irivers
02:21:42LloreanI thought we had plenty of space to fit the bootloader on the iRivers?
02:22:05Adam917OK so it seems the Rockbox-side has been covered (thanks - and I'll do more research on this). Has anyone already mentioned about USB support or has that been covered w/ your mention of the chip supporting 48-bit LBA?
02:22:09amiconnNot on the h1x0. The OF takes almost all ROM.
02:22:45LloreanAh. So it's a case of "if it would fit, it might make sense to do so" then?
02:23:03amiconnOf course flashing rockbox is an option, but it's still not officially supported
02:24:07amiconnLlorean: certainly not for all targets. Maybe for those which do support lba-48 via usb as well (i.e. all hdd targets except the archoses)
02:24:28amiconnBut then the main builds for those targets should also support lba-48
02:24:54Adam917Support may still want to be added if only due to the fact that replacement drives are getting big and soon it may be hard to find smaller drives
02:25:58amiconnYou can always use a >137GB hdd without having lba-48 support, by limiting it to 137GB. Some drives even have a jumper for forcing the limit
02:26:13Adam917Common scenario might be: someone's 5-year-old DAP 'breaks' - turns out it was the HDD (most likely thing to go in these devices). Search for replacement drives? 100+ GB.
02:27:15rasheramiconn: that's not terribly satisfactory though
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02:28:52Adam917I wouldn't mind limiting say a 160GB drive to 128 GiB but with say a 200GB and of course you lose a lot of capacity
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02:40:41soapyou can get 100+GB 50 pin ATA drives?
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02:49:38Adam917No but you can get ZIF ones and get or make an adapter. Maybe large 50-pin drives do exist nowdays.
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03:01:49*kugel thinks he got make install working
03:03:11kugelanyone wants to test?
03:03:19hillshumThe svn trunk isn't a full 300MG is it?
03:04:39rasherhillshum: doesn't sound too far off
03:05:23kugelhillshum: should be ~150MB, but if you have built something in it, 300 sounds very possible
03:05:57hillshumbut a plain checkout shouldn't be that much?
03:06:15*hillshum gets the tarball
03:06:54kugelnot sure, actually
03:06:56LloreanA plain checkout should be twice the actual source size, since SVN keeps a second 'clean' copy of all files
03:07:05LloreanFor reversions without internet access
03:07:07kugelsomeone yesterday told about 147MB iirc
03:08:02rasherFor a fresh checkout
03:08:36kugelarez was wrong then, he probably messued the svn compressed size
03:08:55hillshumor read something wrong
03:09:14kugelwell, svn compresses before sending it to you when you checkout
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03:21:13froggymanare there anything on how rockbox got created or anything similar?
03:22:25rasherfroggyman: goes pretty far back in short quips
03:22:33hillshumi think ther'res somthing on the wiki
03:23:49froggymansweet, thanks
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03:28:23froggymanthats pretty cool, it would neat to have a bigger article about like how the orginal thought came into place and where it got started, atleast in My opinion
03:29:30hillshumi think there's something at Bagder's site, let me look
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03:40:12hillshumBernd, Is that linked somewhere on the wiki?
03:40:54Berndno idea - found that someday on his BLOG
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03:45:05froggymanthats pretty awesome, i should write a paper on this someday for school
03:48:49hillshum "contributer" means committer right?
03:50:02Lloreanhillshum: Mainly, yes.
03:50:47hillshumshould that be better clarified? (not "someone who has contributed anything")
03:51:57LloreanWell, I don't believe anybody has one of those yet
03:52:11LloreanBut it's not just committers, I think. As far as I know, people like our forum staff would also be granted one if asked.
03:52:45LloreanPeople can probably figure it out, and if they can't, they'll get told otherwise when they ask for one.
03:53:29hillshumDevs and up on the forum basically?
03:53:46LloreanThere's no specific line.
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04:39:17CGIIRChey hey
04:40:15CGIIRCi need some help unbrinking my sansa here i get to step 4.5 and everything isnt very clear '
04:40:49CGIIRCcan someone help me to either clarify or tell me what im doing wrong?
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04:42:08soapTwo things (assuming you're using that blog and not Rockbox official documentation) - I don't see step 4.5 on that blog, and we can't support non rockbox docs.
04:42:17scorcheCGIIRC: first off, dont ask us to help you with something that isnt written by us...secondly, there is no 4.5 there
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04:42:35rasherDid anyone tell him that there is no step 4.5?
04:42:36CGIIRC4rth step 2nd part
04:42:48rasherThere is no step 4.
04:42:59hillshumit goes to three
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04:43:13CGIIRCYou may now notice that the scroll wheel blinks once and then the logo appears. The player will be now mounted in recovery mode, with a 16 mg disk. The mounted “disk” should open automatically, if not search for it in File System/media/.
04:43:13CGIIRCthat part
04:44:12scorcheCGIIRC: did you forget about the second part of our concerns?....dont come here asking for help on something that isnt written by us...we will help with *our* steps listed in the wiki, but if you want help with those, ask whoever wrote it
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04:44:38CGIIRCokay can i get the site where yours is posted?
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04:45:29re-peatwich device is it?
04:45:35CGIIRCSansa e260
04:46:13CGIIRC -leads to same page?
04:46:33soapThe same page as...?
04:46:47CGIIRCthe 1st page link i posted it to
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04:48:06CGIIRClike i get everything but the last part? when i unplug it nothingg happends
04:48:12scorchei dont see a link to that page anywhere on that page, and if there was, i dont see it
04:48:21scorcheer...if there was, it should be removed
04:49:09re-peatlove to help but i only have a nano 1g ipod
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04:49:22CGIIRCokay thanks for trying
04:50:10re-peatbut i've recovered it multiple times without issue its practicly impossible to irriversibly brick this ipod
04:50:45LloreanCGIIRC: I don't see any link to that blogspot article on the SansaE200Unbrick page. Either way, you shouldn't be following off-site instructions. If you need help with the blogspot article, write an email to its author
04:50:49soapA quick glance at that blog doesn't look like our wiki instructions, but I'll admit to not reading it in depth.
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14:32:36Dagnii'm want to convert me entire media library to FLAC. is there any specific parameters or settings that must be used to make my file playable in rockbox?
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14:35:16gevaertsThe only restriction that I'm aware of is that rockbox can't handle flac in an ogg container, so you need normal .flac files. I'd just try a few files with the settings you want though, that should show any problems right away (although I really don't expect any)
14:36:35Dagniok thankyou
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15:11:23soapDagni - No ID3 tags on your flac files, only vorbis comments (the standard)
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16:20:54jenfieldI have a Sansa e280 v2 with a cracked screen. It no longer seems to work for me. However, I'm hoping the rockbox team can get some use from the hardware.
16:21:59re-peati'll take it
16:22:17jenfieldI'm willing to donate it - I'll even pay shipping.
16:22:41Li_Syaoranship it to badger
16:23:22linuxstbjenfield: Does it still work? i.e. can you see what's on the LCD?
16:23:58jenfieldI think it does still work. The screen is just an inky mess, when it is turned on.
16:24:49jenfieldI know rockbox is not currently supported on v2 sansa hardware - so I though this might give someone a change to muck with the hardware.
16:25:31gevaertsjenfield: where in the world are you?
16:26:17linuxstbjenfield: Maybe you could post in the development thread on the forums, offering the player? That's probably the best place to reach people actually working on it. It also seems very quiet in this channel today.
16:26:33soapWhere in Michigan, jenfield?
16:26:34gevaertsEither that or have a look at
16:28:00jenfieldwow - missed that wiki page.
16:28:20jenfieldI'll follow those instructions. Thank you gevaerts.
16:28:37soapI ask because I am often in the Toledo area and Detroit (even Ann Arbor) is not a hassle for me.
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16:30:07re-peati went up to toledo ohio last week
16:30:16jenfieldI'm north of Detroit.
16:30:19*re-peat is in cincinnati
16:30:54re-peatthe drive is unbearable
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17:13:29yashI'm a GSoC applicant, having been assigned a task, The deadline is mentioned as 13th april 12:00 UTC,
17:13:51yashI was wondering if it's 12:00 AM or PM.
17:14:11linuxstb12:00 noon - there is no 12:00 AM or PM
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17:16:56yashthanx, linuxstb, i understand.
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18:34:03kugelthe samsung yh-925 code low_light gave me works
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19:10:34FlynDiceIs there any info stashed away somewhere on what needs to be accomplished by the bootloader or what should or should not be done by the bootloader. Or is it simply what you can make fit?
19:12:28rasherWhich target?
19:12:52FlynDiceams sansa
19:12:54bertrikI don't know of any guidelines, but I think a bootloader should just do the minimal initialisation to get the main rockbox firmware running, so general system init, LCD to display bootloading progress, buttons perhaps and disk
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19:15:32FlynDiceSo does it really need to do anything more than prepare the sytem to jump to the main code?
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19:20:41bertrikFlynDice, I'm thinking of committing , have you been running with version 2 or 4 of that patch lately?
19:22:31bertrikI think it applies to all ams sansas, currently the clip still uses the date/time convention of the v1 sansas
19:24:03rasherFlynDice: It should also do enough to let the OF boot if at all possible
19:25:25FlynDicebertrik: sorry I really haven't used anything but mmu patches for the past 2 weeks flailing away with no luck
19:26:24FlynDicerasher: i think the dualboot code takes care of the of booting for the ams sansa so I'm ok there...
19:26:38FlynDicefor the OF I mean
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19:42:37kugelFlynDice: right, the bootloader is as safe as as the main firmware wrt to breaking the of
19:43:49kugelthe only two possibilities to break the OF are a) breakin dual boot b) making the bootloader bigger than the space we have after compressing the of (in which case mkamsboot should error out)
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19:51:02bertrikouch, c200v2 doesn't compile
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20:06:31froggymanare their working stable models of the Lyre project yet?
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20:07:39linuxstbfroggyman: No.
20:08:29*bluebrother doesn't understand FS #10124
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20:08:36froggymando you think there will be stable builds of it in a year or so?
20:09:58linuxstbYou are better off asking the people working on it - that isn't me.
20:12:22froggymanok, I thought maybe there was someone that was working on it, on here and was just putting it out in the open
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20:24:31kugelSlasheri: ping
20:24:55Slasherikugel: hi
20:25:22kugelSlasheri: any opinion regarding ?
20:27:54Slasherikugel: that looks really great
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20:29:42kugelSlasheri: Read the latest comment I added? Would you be fine with that?
20:30:14kugelI'm just wondering how endianess needs to be taken into account for creating a db for the target
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20:31:35kugelalso, might getting problematic if run on a 64bit os
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20:34:47pixelmaSlasheri: while you're at it - could you have a look at the patch at the end of FS #9093 ?
20:40:11Slasherijust a moment :)
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20:43:05Slasherikugel: engianess doesn't matter, db can handle both
20:43:24Slasheribut native host endianess would be a little bit faster
20:47:00Slasherionly paths can be problematic, no idea if the tool has been adjusted to that. But anyway, it's great to see such a tool created using the tagcache core
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20:51:11kugelSlasheri: I thought so too :)
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20:52:02Slasheripixelma: that patch should be ok :)
20:53:28Slasheripixelma: (the latest one of course)
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21:00:10pixelmaSlasheri: nice, will keep it in mind though I still want to test before
21:00:20pyro_maniackugel: ping
21:00:20kugelsaratoga_work: shall I commit the polling patch?
21:00:33kugelpyro_maniac: pong
21:00:56pyro_maniackugel: can I get some code of lowlight too?
21:01:47kugelsure, alternatively you could wait a few days, since I asked lowlight if shall commit it if he's lacking time atm
21:02:04froggymanI have a diretory on my iPod that is not deleting, it will delete for a little bit, but then comes back −−-and its not one the DOS commands
21:02:28pyro_maniackugel: no testing needed?
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21:03:56kugelYou want it now?
21:04:07kugelthen wait a few minutes (and give me your email)
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21:05:34pyro_maniacI think there is testing needed because lowlights first bootloader didn't work at all
21:06:23pyro_maniackugel: pyro_maniac at gulli dot com
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21:11:36kugelpyro_maniac: which player did you have?
21:11:45kugel820 or 929?
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21:24:06kugelpyro_maniac: You got main :)
21:26:27pyro_maniackugel: got it
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21:31:25pyro_maniackugel: incomplete patch?
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21:32:40lee321987;revision=20687 −−−−−− I'm using Cygwin. Can I make use of this? Does my DAP need to be connected when I run 'make fullinstall'?
21:33:03kugelpyro_maniac: the first one, yes
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21:33:51kugellee321987: try something like /m/ (where m would correspond to M:, replace with the drive letter of your dap)
21:34:06pyro_maniackugel: ok, because I had problems
21:35:15kugelpyro_maniac: get a fresh checkout now, svn revert won't help much (unless you svn add all created files)
21:35:17lee321987so I run 'make' first - right?
21:35:35kugelfirst you need 'PREFIX=/m/ ../tools/configure"
21:35:50kugelthen make, then make install
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21:37:41pyro_maniackugel: the result is still the same
21:37:53kugelpastebin the error pls
21:37:58pyro_maniackugel: patch was not applyable
21:38:30kugelpastebin the error please (and the command you used) anyway
21:40:43pyro_maniacah sorry
21:41:01pyro_maniacmy false, I expected a git patch
21:41:14kugelhehe, no, I'm not using git
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21:42:43lee321987it created a dir in the root of my Cygwin dir called "k" (D:\cywin\k), and installed there. Any ideas?
21:43:16linuxstbI think you need something like /cygdrive/k/ to access k:
21:43:31linuxstbDo "ls /cygdrive/k/" first to check
21:43:35kugeloh, possibly, my bad then
21:44:26kugelah, msys was /<driveletter>/, not cygwin :S
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21:47:37pyro_maniackugel: I have problems on compiling. ak4537.h seems to be a problem
21:47:46pyro_maniackugel: did you missed the file?
21:47:52kugelI think so, yes :)
21:48:30pyro_maniackugel: new patch? :-)
21:49:22lee321987"/cygdrive/k/" worked. Thanks guys.
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21:50:17kugelpyro_maniac: check your mail
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22:00:22motionman95Could some one explain the use of settings_parseline()? I know it returns the "name" and "value" but I'm not sure what params to feed it.
22:00:32pyro_maniackugel: I still got the same problem at bookmark.o and powermgmt.
22:01:35pyro_maniackugel: make said, that there is no rule for ak4537.h
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22:10:24gevaertsmotionman95: you've never seen doom, metronome or the midi player? :)
22:11:41motionman95I'll search for it's usage and see if I get a better understanding.
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22:12:56gevaertsmotionman95: anyway, the settings_parseline() prototype seems to indicate to me that you feed it a string (a line from a settings file?) and it gives you two strings (name and value)
22:12:56gevaertsI haven't used it myself though
22:13:29fmlgevaerts: hello. Are those { and } in the switch statement there just to make sure that all variables are local in the respective case block?
22:13:48gevaertsfml: that's usually why I put them there, yes
22:14:23fmlgevaerts: ok. Just testing my C knowledge :-) But it would also work without {}, right?
22:14:55fmlgevaerts: provided that there's no variable clash of course
22:14:56gevaertsmaybe. I'd have to look at it. You may get duplicate variable declarations if you take them away
22:15:13motionman95gevaerts: A question: in a switch statement is it possible to check for two cases in one case? Like this: switch(a){case 1 or 2: //do somthin}
22:15:35fmlmotionman95: just put those two cases one after the other
22:15:42pyro_maniackugel: is there still something missing in the patch
22:15:49pyro_maniackugel: ?
22:16:12fmlmotionman95: it's done often in the RB code, like this: case A: case B: my_code; blah; break;
22:16:31motionman95gevaerts: so you mean: "case 1 case 2: //do somethin"?
22:17:03motionman95Whoops, didn't see you post. My bad.
22:17:11fmlmotionman95: I don't know what gevaerts means, but yes, that would work. You missed a colon after 1 though
22:21:03motionman95Has anyone seen a plugin that can play sounds? On the forum, someone suggested that a piano plugin be made.
22:21:38froggymanyeah the metronome can, cant it?
22:22:01fmlkugel, Llorean: has there been any discussion about the hop eature besides the couple of the mails on the list? I couldn't access the IRC a couple of days and am too lazy to read all the logs
22:22:39motionman95froggyman: Woah, I just got finished reading your forum post.
22:22:59gevaertsmotionman95: lots of plugins play sound
22:23:51motionman95@ALL: BRB.
22:24:30kugelfml: not really
22:24:44kugelpyro_maniac: I don't think so, what's the error?
22:25:06kugelalways apply it to a fresh source
22:26:30fmlkugel: so nobod is really interested except pondlife who's against changing anything
22:27:49pyro_maniackugel: as I said before no rule for ak4537.h
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22:34:56gevaertsfroggyman: why wouldn't rockdoom and rockboy be plugins?
22:35:49KeripoI've gotten around to updating the tasks section for my GSoC proposal - see the latest comment I added
22:36:03kugelpyro_maniac: ok
22:36:30kugelnow it should be there
22:37:20Keripoon a side note, got a small SDL demo running fine on my PSP using the Rockbox's makefiles, trying to get the UISim running bit by bit but will be extremely busy with midterms this coming week ; /
22:38:33kugelfml: that doesn't surprise me
22:39:13kugelpyro_maniac: I zipped v3 again, not v4 (you could've tell me that :p)
22:39:47pyro_maniackugel: oh I don't mantioned that
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22:43:23Lloreangevaerts: I asked the same thing in-thread.
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22:51:59oboDo any GSoC people have any comments regarding the patch I posted for my assessment task? Is what I've done so far along the right lines, and does it need to go any further?
22:57:07kugelpyro_maniac: did you get the mail?
22:57:47pyro_maniackugel: no I am still waiting.
22:58:54pyro_maniackugel: :-)
22:59:53kugelpyro_maniac: say something...
23:00:07kugel"now it should be there" meant I sent another mail
23:01:00kugelpyro_maniac: the mails don't get through
23:01:24pyro_maniackugel: I still got no mail
23:01:39kugelyes, the mails don't get through
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23:01:55kugel"Mail konnte nicht zugestellt werden / Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender"
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23:02:36kugelsomething is wrong with my clips radio
23:03:00pyro_maniackugel: I sent a testmail to you
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23:04:03kugelok, wait a second
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23:07:16gevaertsobo: I think it's fine
23:07:50obogevaerts: okay, thanks!
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