#rockbox 2009-04-16

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#rockbox log for 2009-04-16

00:04:52	MT	linuxstb : I also tried cook_decode_init() after real_parse_header() and kept getting "Tried to allocate past the end of a Huffman table".
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00:50:46	soap	Bagder / Zagor: What do you all think of the idea of a Rockbox Donation Raffle? I have one or two more Rockbox embroidered shirts. Size L. How about every dollar donated during the month of May counts as one ticket?
00:51:08	soap	Could that be done? Have a drawing at the end of the month and I will send the shirt to the winner?
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00:51:46	soap	If the donations top $200 I'll get the winner's name embroidered on the breast.
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00:52:29	soap	Perhaps a Glamour shot of Bagder wearing one to sex up the contest?
00:53:06	gevaerts	Why not you? ;)
00:53:15	soap	because I'm not sexy.
00:54:45	*	gevaerts has logs :)
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00:57:41	froggyman	where does the donated money go to exactly?
00:57:56	rasher	In a big pile.
00:58:03	soap	which Llorean sleeps on.
00:58:22	froggyman	ahh,,,, makes sense now
00:58:32	linuxstb	Don't we have a wiki page for that?
00:58:33	krazykit	he says it helps his back.
00:58:54	froggyman	I thought Llorean didnt sleep, doesnt he just get plugged in at night to recharge?
00:59:10	rasher	It's been used for covering a bit of travel expenses for developers attending devcon, for expenses at devcon, for buying a Hardware USB tracer, and occassionally (a few times) it's been used to buy developers a target for a port
00:59:11	*	linuxstb gives the sensible answer - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DonatedMoney
00:59:21	BigBambi	I don't know about Sweden (or the US) but in the UK you have to be careful legally about the difference between a raffle and a ottery
00:59:22	froggyman	because that would surely explain why is able to be so active with rockbox
00:59:34	BigBambi	*lottery
00:59:43	froggyman	rasher: thanks
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01:00:10	gevaerts	froggyman: he isn't active now :)
01:00:25	DerPapst	that is what he wants you to think
01:00:34	Llorean	It is what I want you to think.
01:00:46	DerPapst	hehe :)
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01:01:46	froggyman	Llorean is always active on rockbox(even if it seems like he isnt), infact if there were a god for rockbox it would look exactly like Llorean
01:01:55	gevaerts	seriously though, the money goes into a numbered account
01:02:12	froggyman	gevaerts: thanks
01:02:25	soap	BigBambi: I'm located currently in Cuba.
01:02:32	soap	and I will ship from Cuba.
01:02:39	soap	So no raffle / lottery issues.
01:02:46	gevaerts	froggyman: have a look around, lots of people here have their IRC client online all the time
01:02:56	BigBambi	soap: So nobody in the US needs enter then?
01:03:12	soap	I'll ship worldwide.
01:03:27	froggyman	gevaerts: i know cuz there is no possible way there is 140 active people on now
01:03:48	BigBambi	I was more thinking about this silly US embargo on Cuba
01:03:57	BigBambi	Or does that not apply for packages c
01:04:00	*	gevaerts points froggyman to the guidelines again
01:04:06	BigBambi	Cuba - USA?
01:04:13	BigBambi	Offtopic for here anyway
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01:19:32	motionman95	Some one think they could help me with my theme removal plugin? It's not working correctly. Specically, when using rb->write to write the info read from the .cfg file a text file, something wacky happens. http://mibbit.com/pb/2PadVN
01:22:54	Unhelpful	kugel: what exactly is the issue with version.sh? i tested removing my exclude list in my git repo, and it still labels a vanilla build correctly.
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01:33:19	saratoga	is FS #2653 - "added one-click-to-insert functionality in file tree" wanted?
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01:37:59	Llorean	saratoga: I think there needs to be some discussion (probably on -dev) as to whether it goes on "Right" or on "Select" (I think select makes most sense, otherwise it makes navigation into folders a bit weird) and it needs to be non-configurable (just one button inserts, one 'activates' or 'invokes' or whatever)
01:38:24	saratoga	sounds good
01:39:14	Llorean	But I've definitely been for removing the redundancy between "right" and "select" and making one of them an insertion function.
01:39:48	rasher	On targets without enough buttons, does this preserve behavior?
01:39:57	rasher	If so, I'm in Llorean's camp
01:40:02	rasher	But yes, -dev is probably best
01:41:55	soap	will it insert only selected track or will it insert selected track and all following tracks in the folder?
01:42:46	rasher	Only selected track seems most obvious to me
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01:58:19	kugel	Unhelpful: don't ask me..
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01:59:26	Unhelpful	well, i looked at what GodEater said as well, and it's not really clear what sort of problem there was, if any. :/
01:59:34	kugel	saratoga: I'm for it too, but not configurable. I have a patch which maps this to REC for e200, other targets could use select/right if they don't have REC or another free button
01:59:40	kugel	Unhelpful: M was appended
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02:00:00	Unhelpful	kugel: if there are local changes, it should be. ;)
02:00:11	kugel	without local changes, that is
02:00:29	kugel	if there was local changes nobody complained
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02:00:48	kugel	that guy had a fresh checkout
02:02:02	kugel	Llorean: we already had a lot discussion about that
02:02:42	Unhelpful	"pinguen", was it? hrm. i'll update mine and see if i can manage to reproduce.
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02:18:38	soap	why rec on the sansa E200? Its layout is so similar to the iPods I hate to see them diverge...
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02:21:49	rasher	REC on e200 is awfully inconvenient
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02:23:39	pixelma	especially seeing that one of the arguements for it is "get rid of the redundancy", I'd say if at all then the same for all targets this redundancy exist. Thinking of the Ondoi were it doesn't and which has Right as insert, I would hope that Right stays the same and Select would get a new function (although I'm not sure whether I like this at all at the moment would have to try=
02:24:09	pixelma	- typos
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02:35:13	kugel	whatever
02:35:26	kugel	we apparently want unused buttens
02:35:50	kugel	I'd love to see this on any button
02:35:53	rasher	Yeah, that's exactly what we said
02:36:27	rasher	No one's saying there's a need for unused buttons. It just makes sense to make this change in the same way across our targets
02:36:38	kugel	I find REC very convenient, btw
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02:36:44	*	rasher isn't convinced the rec button needs a short-press action
02:36:58	rasher	I find it impossible to press while holding the thing (except by accident)
02:37:57	kugel	quite opposite for me
02:38:31	Llorean	kugel: The discussion we had was about your patch though, using REC, rather than removing the redundancy between Select/Right
02:39:27	Llorean	pixelma: Right is "insert" on Ondio, or right is the 'select' function other targets have?
02:39:58	kugel	Llorean: same functionality. saratoga just asked about the functionality
02:40:46	Llorean	kugel: Actually, he just asked about a specific flyspray number...
02:41:09	kugel	and this one is configurable iirc.
02:41:24	Llorean	And I stated my opinion on the configurability when I responded.
02:41:30	kugel	asking for a FS# is also asking about what the FS# does
02:41:51	Llorean	kugel: Yes, but you said he just asked about the functionality.
02:42:29	Llorean	He asked about a task, I responded about the task including its functionality.
02:43:30	Llorean	rasher: If we made Select be 'insert' and Right be "navigate / invoke" (its current function) that would free up short-rec to display the playlist catalogue (another popular request for it, and I think the chief competition for it alongside insertion)
02:44:08	rasher	That makes a good amount of sense to me
02:44:22	Llorean	Of course, not changing targets that don't have the existing redundancy.
02:44:26	kugel	Llorean: OK I got it
02:45:08	rasher	Llorean: Or free buttons.
02:46:46	Llorean	rasher: Indeed.
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06:50:42	roomtemperature	so trying to install rockbox on my sansa e280 v2 - i've set up a build environment and compiled the firmware/bootloader file. how exactly do i go about patching the bootloader?
06:51:50	rasher	roomtemperature: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaAMS#Bootloader_Installation
06:53:24	roomtemperature	thanks much! ha ha if only i could find these pages to begin with...
06:53:58	rasher	I guess the trick is to know that we refer to them as AMS sansas
06:54:04	rasher	And then the search should be helpful
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07:09:08	Keripo	random question: how big of an interest is there in the Rockbox community for a GBA emulator and has anyone in the past tried working on one?
07:10:27	Keripo	cause I currently maintain the iPodLinux port of gpSP and have it running at max 80% speed and, knowing its source code pretty thoroughly and knowing how port-able it is, was wondering if the Rockbox community would want a port
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07:12:14	Keripo	will probably have to find Exophase again and ask for his permission, but technically since he did GPL it and I'm using the latest GPL'd source code...
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07:13:07	rasher	There's not really anything "technical" about it. That's how the GPL works
07:14:11	Keripo	well under GPL as long as I include the license and dont claim it as my own, its fine - I just usually notice in the open source community people tend to ask the original dev just out of respect/politeness
07:17:18	rasher	I don't really see what respect/politeness is involved. He wants his code to be free and ported/modified etc. Otherwise he'd have picked a different license
07:18:40	Keripo	well, actually thats the thing
07:19:05	Unhelpful	Keripo: chosing to license under gpl expresses an intent that you may fork a project or base other works on it - the license is the author's permission to do those things.
07:19:28	Keripo	due to a whole load of poorly moddified versions that were released in the PSP scene, there was a whole load of drama that I wont go into
07:19:48	Keripo	pretty much ended up with the dev (Exophase) becoming pissed off and deciding to no longer GPL future versions
07:20:32	Keripo	doesn't affect the version I have though, but having to deal with an angry programmer is... not in my best interest ; P
07:20:37	rasher	Doesn't really change the fact that he has given permission to use the code in question
07:21:02	Unhelpful	you don't have to "deal with" an angry programmer. you're basing your work on his GPL release.
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07:22:35	Keripo	well, either way, drama aside, is there any particular interest in a port or is it not practical to add a plugin that only works decently on some targets and very slowly on others
07:23:11	rasher	We already have a gameboy plugin that doesn't run very well on all targets
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07:23:41	Keripo	ahh, I was under the impressions that Rockboy was pretty much perfected and usable on most targets
07:24:09	rasher	Not on the 11/12MHz Archos targets..
07:24:29	*	Keripo not familiar with non-iPod targets, hence the original feasibility question
07:25:37	Unhelpful	well, really, the iPod targets aren't even the best for running an emulator on - although they might get a pretty decent speed boost out of using scan-and-execute techniques rather than "true" CPU emulation.
07:26:33	Unhelpful	the gigabeat models have quite a bit more computing power
07:28:16	Keripo	http://dvice.com/pics/gigabeat-S_w.jpg ?
07:30:43	Unhelpful	the gigabeat s has a 532MHz CPU (though we clock it lower, and don't support scaling on it yet). gigabeat f/x have 296MHz CPU. ipod video has the same screen dimensions (and so the same number of pixels to render), but only a dual 80MHz CPU
07:31:52	Keripo	expected price range for a used one?
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07:48:14	amiconn	kkurbjun: Weird lcd driver fix....
07:49:19	amiconn	(1) ((width \| height) <= 0) probably does not do what you intended. This trick only works for < 0, not <= 0
07:50:53	amiconn	(2) Doing the check before clipping makes it miss some cases. E.g. if lcd_update_rect() is called with x = LCD_WIDTH and width = 10, clipping will change 'width' to 0
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07:53:17	amiconn	(3) If width and height are checked properly, do {...} while() loops should work. They're a little faster and smaller than wile () {...} loops
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08:10:03	amiconn	kkurbjun: What sort of corruption did you observe? Do you have a photo?
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08:12:15	Llorean	Keripo: There's definitely a strong desire among _users_ for a GBA emulator. If you were to put one up on flyspray that worked on all software codec targets (independently of speed) I imagine it'd get accepted, and slowly improved over time.
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08:23:13	pixelma	Llorean: all sw codec target would be more than current rockboy (thinking of some Ipods) ;)
08:24:09	Llorean	pixelma: Are there iPods it still doesn't even launch on, or is it just too slow to be useful?
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08:24:24	amiconn	All greyscale ipods don't have rockboy
08:24:48	amiconn	That is because no one wrote the necessary blitting function for horizontal pixel packing
08:25:48	pixelma	it doesn't work on greyscale Ipods and with the current control mechanism on Ipods there would be problems on Ipods without the position aware wheel (don't remember Apple's name atm)
08:26:40	pixelma	amiconn: I believe there's a patch in the tracker (by midgey) for the lcd part
08:27:09	pixelma	maybe outdated
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08:35:47	pixelma	Llorean: and about the earlier question: Right on Ondio is what Right/Select does on other targets currently (selecting tracks to "play" etc.), long Right for the file context menu
08:37:31	Llorean	pixelma: So if this happens, it probably shouldn't change Ondio at all
08:37:59	pixelma	it can't
08:38:20	Llorean	Well, it always can, it would probably just make it unusable. :)
08:38:54	pixelma	like the forced horizontal scrolling did, in the beginning :\
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08:40:28	amiconn	I'd rather keep the redundancy between Right and Select. On several targets it's convenient to have both available
08:41:45	Llorean	I'm curious what use you have for two buttons doing the same thing.
08:42:24	ntfn	redumndancy?
08:43:27	amiconn	I'm mainly thinking about the joystick targets. On H1x0 the joystick can be pressed easily, but makes a loud clicking noise when used that way, so I often use Right instead
08:44:01	Llorean	amiconn: I'd expect "right" to keep its current function, and clicking the stick to be the "insert" function, honestly
08:44:02	amiconn	Same goes for iAudio X5 (and M5), where the joystick doesn't make much noise, but is quite hard to press
08:44:07	Llorean	So that you can still navigate into folders without inserting them.
08:45:40	amiconn	Maybe I don't understand what this discussion is about?
08:46:04	Llorean	amiconn: Making the center "select" button perform an "Insert" in the filetree instead of doing what it does currently, basically
08:46:17	pixelma	I could imagine that this change will cause quite some complaints of users who took the button that function will change and got used to it
08:46:28	Llorean	While the "right" button remains unchanged, and targets which don't have two identical buttons for that remain unchanged.
08:46:35	Unhelpful	both cases i've tried on our e200s make the L/R buttons (and the U/D as well) a bit difficult to press.
08:48:47	amiconn	Insert?
08:49:15	amiconn	What if you're clicking on a .cfg, or .fnt, or .wps, or ...?
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08:49:32	Unhelpful	then nothing happens, i'd think?
08:49:44	Llorean	Or it maintains its "select" function for non-playlistable files.
08:49:58	*	amiconn thinks that would be highly confusing, especially since the database behaves yet different
08:50:16	Llorean	The database could behave just fine with it.
08:51:03	amiconn	The database currently behaves different from the filebrowser in that it only inserts the current file instead of the whole folder
08:51:07	Llorean	But at the moment it's just a topic for discussion. An easier to use insert is one of the big roadblocks to quick playlist building (the other being the difficulty to save them)
08:51:38	amiconn	Hmm, or maybe that was fixed.... I'm really not a db user. I only have it inited for occasional dupe checking, and for pf to work
08:51:43	Llorean	amiconn: I don't understand that statement. "insert" only inserts a single file if a single file is selected. A folder is only inserted if you select it on a folder.
08:52:02	Llorean	Or do you mean, if you select a filter in the database you only get one file from within it?
08:52:08	amiconn	Llorean: Yeah, but the file browser iserts the whole folder if you click on a file
08:52:23	amiconn	...and starts playing right away
08:52:28	Llorean	Ah, as far as I know the database does that too.
08:52:38	Llorean	Unless that got broken at some point. I don't use it much.
08:52:43	amiconn	Then that must have been fixed at some point...
08:53:22	linuxstb	What did it use to do?
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14:41:26	pondlife	Anyone know how easy it would be to run the simulator without a console window? I guess that's a linker thing, but it would be ideal if it could be a run-time option.
14:42:14	n1s	I like the idea of select inserting tracks into a playlist too, maybe with a quick splash "Inserted N tracks" or something
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14:47:37	amiconn	pondlife: It's a build-time decision - build as console or gui application
14:48:05	amiconn	Problem with gui application is that you don't get to see any text output, not even when starting it from a console
14:48:56	pondlife	Could it not be built as a gui app, but have a −−console option which creates a console when needed for debugging?
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15:07:23	tmzt	oh, on windows?
15:07:31	ender`	that should work, gimp does something similar (it's a GUI application, but when you run it with eg. −−help, it'll open a console)
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15:09:31	amiconn	pondlife: Afaik that's not possible
15:09:56	ender`	amiconn: it is, but the console always opens in a new window
15:10:21	amiconn	nasty...
15:11:27	pondlife	Yes - I was hoping it could open any existing console, but not need to use a new one
15:11:53	pondlife	s/any/an/
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15:14:50	tmzt	raymanism: didyou get your bootloader built?
15:16:55	raymanism	tmzt: slowly getting there :) discussing it at rb-community
15:17:26	tmzt	okay
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16:48:12	kubzior	does foobar play modular files? :D
16:48:16	kubzior	I meant mod, xm, etc
16:48:34	BigBambi	This is #rockbox
16:49:09	kubzior	whoops
16:49:12	kubzior	sorry ;f
16:49:23	kubzior	I was thinking about rockbox, sorry
16:49:51	kubzior	I dunno why I wrote foobar ^^"
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16:50:27	BigBambi	In that case, yes - Rockbox plays some of those
16:50:34	BigBambi	I can't rememeber which exactly
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17:22:59	mcuelenaere	MT: I think there is
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17:23:25	mcuelenaere	MT: firmware/common/random.c
17:23:46	MT	mcuelenaere : Thank You. :)
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17:26:47	rasher	MT: I know it's not very helpful, but why does a codec need randomness?
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17:31:03	MT	rasher : I still don't really understand cook that much to answer your question, cook needs to test a random number against an upper bound (in noise coding).
17:31:34	rasher	Alright, that sounds pretty nutty
17:31:55	MT	I don't get it too really, will ask merbanan when he's here.
17:32:38	*	linuxstb doesn't understand either
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17:43:57	saratoga	MT: for the noise generator in wma, I just recorded a few thousand values from ffmpeg and reuse them
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17:45:59	MT	saratoga : ok thanks a lot. I will try that.
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21:11:19	linuxstb	No
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21:12:15	linuxstb	You're welcome.
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22:37:44	bluebrother	pyro_maniac: pong
22:38:29	pyro_maniac	bluebrother: its me again! ;-) and I found a "Bootloaderr" again in rbutil
22:38:58	pyro_maniac	its in the german translation for removing the bootloader
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22:51:08	froggyman	how do you add statuses
22:51:24	bluebrother	how do you ask questions
22:53:08	bluebrother	pyro_maniac: I can't find the location. What bootloader uninstall is affected?
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22:57:24	pyro_maniac	bluebrother: http://www.imagebam.com/image/f0506f32901721
22:59:35	bluebrother	this image has been marked as adult? wtf?
22:59:47	bluebrother	anyway, you've built from sources?
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23:00:04	pyro_maniac	no I downloaded the binary
23:02:35	bluebrother	well, that hasn't been updated since the change was made so it's not surprising the typo being present.
23:03:29	bluebrother	and from reading the diff that typo was fixed :)
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23:03:56	pyro_maniac	ok so you made a complete work last time but the binary isn't up to date. :-) good to know ;-)
23:05:14	bluebrother	I hope we can release new binaries in the next couple of days. Unless I missed something that issue should be gone then
23:05:47	pyro_maniac	ok and I keep my eyes open :-)
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23:08:28	froggyman	does anyone know of any good beginers guides to programming in C?
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23:10:13	krazykit	froggyman, the Getting Started and Compiling section of this forums has this same question a few dozen times. perhaps look there for what people have said
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23:37:14	Fjss	I have a 30gb ipod running rockbox. Is there any way to set it so that linux recognizes it as an ipod and not a removable hard drive?
23:38:51	BigBambi	boot to the apple firmware
23:44:21	Fjss	I'm sorry, thats not what I meant, let me rephrase my question. Is there a way to get linux to recognize my ipod as a generic media player? I want to use rhythmbox but I don't like how ipods organize the music database.
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23:46:00	BigBambi	That'd be a question for the rythmbox people
23:46:12	BigBambi	It is just an external hardrive
23:47:10	Fjss	Ok thx
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