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#rockbox log for 2009-04-21

00:00:30amiconnCurrently rockbox maxes out at 2GB, but that should be changed. Some OFs (I tested just one, but I guess many do) support the full FAT32 size range
00:00:58JdGordon|isnt 2GB the limit for fat32?
00:01:07amiconnNo, 4GB-1
00:01:19JdGordon|ah yes, ignore me :p
00:01:20amiconnFFAT32 file size is unsigned
00:01:33Lloreanamiconn: Oh, I thought the 596 hours was in regard to the variable limits.
00:01:33diskspinwill disk spin settings in a CF modded player somehow affect power consumption if used ? thanks.
00:01:41*Llorean didn't bother to actually do any math, and just leapt to conclusions.
00:01:54amiconnLlorean: It's a coincidence that it's also roughly the variable limit
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00:02:12amiconn(with your change, not Buschel's)
00:03:14*Llorean just glanced at buschel's change and saw it touched way more stuff than seemed necessary.
00:03:19evilnick_7diskspin: You could try that out using the batterybench plugin
00:03:23LloreanThough I mostly just assumed it was my lack of understanding of what's going on in there
00:03:35JdGordon|diskspin: it might have a very very tiny impact, but i doubt it would be noticable, or even measurable currently
00:03:55*mcuelenaere wonders about creating threads in plugins and having this setjmp/longjmp exit()-implementation
00:04:01diskspinso the settings are active with a CF modded player ?
00:04:23amiconnLlorean: He's converting milliseconds -> seconds and hence divides everything by 1000. Loses one more decimal digit of precision than the *100 -> /100 change
00:04:37diskspinaha, thanks
00:04:59LloreanThe *100 -> /100 already is pretty imprecise in my file just because it's VBR
00:05:10LloreanI'm lucky if I land within about 6 minutes of where I'm aiming, near the end.
00:05:17amiconnThe overflow limit is the same for both
00:06:20amiconnIf you want to get rid of the limit without losing precision, you'd need to go 64 bit for the intermediate(s)
00:07:14LloreanIs the precision lost significant though?
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00:08:15amiconnIt's hard to tell from the code... probably easier to try it out
00:08:17myndz\new question: anybody know off the top of their head if mod support has made any gains lately?
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00:08:36myndz\i swear i always have a hell of a time trying to find my way around the wiki :\
00:09:48linuxstbmyndz\: I don't believe so. Searching the svn changelog would be the best place (linked from the front page)
00:10:19Unhelpfulmcuelenaere: PLUGIN_STATUS_OK == 0... i'd suggest that exit() only be called with one of the defined plugin exit status values, and that exit() add one to the passed value (to make sure it's non-zero), and that the setjmp return value have a matching -1 and be used as the plugin status.
00:10:36amiconnLlorean: You could test it. Revert r20755 loally, then introduce an intermediate: int64_t h_newtime = (int64_t)newtime * 100; and use that in the two places newtime*100 was used before
00:10:53*domonoky has now booked a flight for DevCon.. :-)
00:11:18myndz\oh hey, it's searchable (now?)
00:11:25Lloreanamiconn: I'll do that when I test later then. My expectation though is that the inaccuracy will be bad enough either way that I won't be able to tell.
00:11:33mcuelenaereUnhelpful: haven't you got my reply?
00:11:56soapI've missed a few weeks of logs, am I correct in saying charging is still an issue on iPods? That booting into the OF is still the only way to charge "properly"? I haven't seen any charging related SVN commits.
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00:12:55myndz\(or is it? how do i searched logs?)
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00:13:11Lloreansoap: AFAIK, yes, the charging patch hasn't been committed.
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00:13:23amiconnWith an 21 hour file, the toc entries are ~12 minutes apart. Worst-case error is half than that. The code interpolates linearly between two toc entreis, so the error should be considerably lower than that unless bitrate (within the ~12 minutes between two toc entries) is very unbalanced.
00:13:34linuxstbmyndz\: I simply meant to search using your browser's search feature.
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00:13:51myndz\check back every four weeks ;)
00:14:03linuxstbOr the other logs...
00:14:28myndz\wish i was a reliable coder, i'd try and tackle it myself
00:14:31Lloreanamiconn: Hm, then perhaps there's something else broken.
00:15:16amiconnI think the first calculation is the most important one. A little deviation there and you might end in the wrong "segment"
00:15:46LloreanActually, yeah, there's something definitely wrong (with the build currently on my player, which is using the *100->/100)
00:16:18LloreanI can seek to point A, listen, seek to A+ 30 seconds, listen, and hear the same part of the file, while the seek bar and elapsed time show the new position.
00:17:07mcuelenaereUnhelpful: this seems to work:
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00:19:40Unhelpfulmcuelenaere: that should be ok, but you'd still need to fix up any exit(1) calls :/
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00:20:57mcuelenaereUnhelpful: hmm yes, I should probably use something like (1 << 31) etc, but still the possibility exists that there's an exit(1 << 31); call somewhere..
00:21:16Unhelpfulmcuelenaere: still much much less likely than exit(1)
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00:23:43mcuelenaereUnhelpful: I changed 1 & 2 to (1 << 30) & (2 << 30), which should work; but I'm going to bed now
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00:26:56froggymandoes anyone have a recommended compiler for Win x86?, because i just started learning C and am need of a compiler to make the exe from the code
00:27:31*JdGordon| tows the company line and says visual studio
00:27:37JdGordon|unless you're talking about rockbox
00:27:45LloreanWell, this is #rockbox, not -community
00:27:50LloreanSo, "gcc under cygwin"
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00:29:43hjkanyone know if the hdd6330 harddrive has a CF socket or if it's something non standard
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01:04:57BryanJacobs'lo all - I just got an acceptance for Summer of Code, and I'd love to know who my mentor(s) are...
01:06:54BryanJacobsah, thank you, didn't look there
01:08:05JdGordon|remeber that if you get stuck at all you should jump in here and just ask and not wait for the mentors to be around... unless its not a technical problem
01:08:06evilnick_7I'm sure I saw another version that had more than one mentor for some projects, but I can't find that now
01:08:33BryanJacobsevilnick_7: was probably the tentative projects page
01:08:46BryanJacobsJdGordon: thanks, I will
01:09:12evilnick_7BryanJacobs: Ah, it was the mail to the devlist: Bryan Jacobs (BryanJacobs) - Rockbox Support for Wavpack Hybrid Compression
01:09:24evilnick_7Mentors: Dave Chapman (linuxstb), Alex Parker (BigBambi)
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01:09:42BryanJacobsevilnick_7: ah, I get the devlist in a digest so that hasn't yet come
01:10:48JdGordon|you shold probably change that... user ml is a good one for digest, the dev not so much
01:11:04JdGordon|especially because its not very busy
01:11:09BryanJacobsJdGordon: it has been low traffic... I didn't know before I signed up
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01:42:18firebird619When trying to play music on a player with rockbox, I get a codec failure message. Is that more an issue with the audio file itself?
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01:44:11soapcan be an issue with the rockbox main file not matching the codec files, as in an improper overwrite during an upgrade.
01:44:50firebird619soap: I just reinstalled rockbox, I was having other issues earlier. Is there a way to test it to see what's going on?
01:46:15firebird619soap: Whoa, I still have issues, now I'm getting a rockbox.mi4 not found message again. I guess that's the problem.
01:46:26soapunzip a fresh current build over your existing one, making sure your zip program overwrites all "duplicate" files.
01:46:41soapOr use RBUtil.
01:47:17firebird619soap: Ok, will do. I'm on linux. RBUtil seems to cause problems for me. When I use it, I get "Read-only filesystem" messages.
01:49:26firebird619Hmm, well I guess I have that read-only issue again now anyway.
01:49:44firebird619The rockbox.mi4 file is there.
01:51:13soapIS your sansa mounted read only?
01:51:44firebird619soap: No, /dev/sdb1 on /media/Sansa c240 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=winnt,uid=1000)
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01:53:02soapsorry, firebird619, I gotta run - maybe someone else can jump in
01:53:38firebird619soap: Ok, thank you.
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01:57:40froggymanwhere would i find the bitmap images(in the rockbox sources) for the bubbles in bubbles? because i can seem to find them under plugins
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01:59:21froggymanor doesn't it use bitmaps?
02:00:29pixelmado you mean in the source or on the player?
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02:03:47froggymanin the source, because i am color blind, and wanted to add black dots to a few of them
02:04:19froggymanbecause i didnt think i could just change it through the compiled build
02:05:28tmztwhere is the cross compiler building script/tutorial? I only see links to downloads on CrossCompile
02:06:05tmztsorry, wrong section of the page
02:06:19pixelmafroggyman: it uses bitmaps - they are under apps/plugins/bitmaps/native , there are a few at different sizes (look into the SOURCES file there to find out how they are assigned)
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02:08:02pixelmayou can already find out by their name if you know the display size of your target
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02:08:58froggymanpixelma: yeah i saw that they were labeled by screen size,thanks
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02:22:55Dekkardhows the new daily?
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02:25:36sansaproblem123im having trouble putting music on and off my sansa e250 can anyone help?
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02:28:19sansaproblem123is there anybody out there?
02:29:20sansaproblem123haha well thats a start, do you know much about the firmware?
02:30:56sansaproblem123or is there anybody that does
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02:31:17froggymanwhat do you need help with?
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02:31:58sansaproblem123well, when i try to put music straight on my player or pull it off, it wont show up
02:32:31froggymanwhat file types are they?
02:32:52froggymanwhat player do you have
02:33:03sansaproblem123sansa sandisk e250
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02:33:41tmztis this missing sysfont.h message a problem when building for fuze? (current svn)
02:34:07froggymanso it is detected as a drive letter? are you putting them into a hidden folder?
02:34:27sansaproblem123it keeps hiding it when i eject it, but i keep unhiding it
02:36:05sansaproblem123like i pulled Echoes - Pink Floyd off, and put Wish you were here and the Wall on there, but it wont show the latter, yet the name for the Echoes file and all the songs still show up on the player
02:37:45froggymani dont know, try posting your problem in the forums
02:38:13sansaproblem123haha ok, well thanks for the help anyways, i was kinda hoping a developer or coder or someone would be on but its straight
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03:28:17tmztdoes anybody know what the sysfont.h issue is?
03:28:37tmzt/home/tmzt/src/rockbox/firmware/export/font.h:33:21: error: sysfont.h: No such file or directory
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03:29:06tmztis it a package I should have installed or something in the rockbox svn?
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03:32:05imadorkanyone available for a question about a 3rd gen ipod
03:33:13froggymanimadork: its not supported because of encyrptions on the firmware, and for future refrence DONT ASK IF YOU CAN ASK A QUESTION
03:34:30imadorki dont expect offical support im just wondering about m4b playback
03:36:40imadorki have rockbox working good, mp3 playback is fine but when i play a m4b audiobook i get an bookmark empty splash screen and then it locks up
03:36:55Unhelpfulfroggyman: the 3rd gen *nano* isn't supported... and he clearly doesn't have one of those.
03:37:22imadorkwow i didnt know i said 3rg nano, i thought i said 3rd gen
03:37:30imadorko right i didnt
03:37:49froggymansorry about that, misread what you said
03:38:00imadorkno worries sorry i snapped
03:38:11imadorkthe all caps threw mew
03:38:57Unhelpfulimadork: one of the devs had problems with a m4b file, which i don't think were ever resolved. his was in mp4 format, with apparently AAC audio inside, but just wouldn't play. any idea what your m4b is, exactly?
03:39:36imadorkthis was a track i got from itunes the was born again
03:39:51imadorkitunes store
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03:41:52imadorki used that program that sounds like humming
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03:43:49tmztUnhelpful: m4b is audio book
03:44:11tmztit should be unprotected and an mpeg4 container with bookmarks in some format
03:44:31Unhelpfultmzt: and the audio track is aac?
03:44:52tmztsome times iPod users will rename a file (.acc or .m4a) to .m4b to use the bookmark feature on iPod
03:44:55tmztI think so
03:45:08tmzt.aac I meant
03:45:35imadorkthis were always m4b but i have changed others to m4a before ans the also play
03:45:51tmztfree downloads from iTunes Store / Audible should be unprotected m4b's
03:46:20tmztaudiobook downloads I mean, if you need one to test
03:46:57tmztI assume iTunes Plus .m4a's are supposed to play in rockbox, right? but I'm on fuze so that could be the issue
03:47:04tmzttrying to update my installation now
03:48:32tmztwhich is where I run into the sysfont.h issue I pasted earlier
03:48:37tmztUnhelpful: any idea on that?
03:49:35imadorki tried changing the extension to m4a from m4b to see if there was any difference and i still the "Bookmark Empty" and a frozen screen
03:50:07tmztdo you have a program to dump the tags in the ISO file?
03:50:18imadorkno i dont
03:51:00Unhelpfuli would expect that RB is choking on some weird mp4 atom in the file... or something it *does* know about that's malformed.
03:51:11tmztthat's what I mean, atom
03:51:19tmztforgot the term they use
03:51:56tmztshould it ignore unknown atoms?
03:52:13imadorkthese were freed using jhymm so i dont know what atoms get changed
03:52:42tmztthey have to remove somethings so the iPod will accept them, not sure what
03:53:28imadorkits not that big of a deal to me since they are audiobook i can convert to mp3 and the loss in quality doesnt matter for spoken word
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03:53:58imadorki just thought id ask. thank you all for the help
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03:55:29robin0800_imadork: I always burn them to cdr/w and rip to mp3
03:56:15tmzthe left
03:56:52tmztUnhelpful: I'm getting a missing firmware message from rockbox bootloader
03:57:38Unhelpfultmzt: which target?
03:57:56tmztLoading firmware
03:57:58tmztFile not found
03:58:25Unhelpfuli know nothing of fuze, sorry.
03:58:36tmztit's a rockbox issue from what I can see
03:58:47tmztI can't build the bootloader because of missing sysfont.h
03:58:49tmzton linux
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03:59:05tmztI deleted .rockbox to replace it with the
03:59:14tmztor should I wait for kugel?
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04:11:17mindframe-is there any reason to update the bootloader on my ipod 5.5g if im running rockbox svn?
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04:12:07jmillikinAnybody with an e200 around that could help me figure out why kugel is experiencing problems with the patch in ? I can't reproduce the issue on an ipod video, or the e200 simulator.
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04:17:30muzikluvrim having some trouble and found this website can any1 try to help me?
04:19:12tmztyou need to ask your question
04:20:15muzikluvryes I have a sansa e250 and just bought an 8gb micro sd and I am having trouble getting the player to recognize the card is there any way to get it to do so?
04:21:59dreamlayersmuzikluvr: Is that in Rockbox or in the Sansa original firmware?
04:22:38muzikluvrsansa origianal...... will rockbox fix this issue?
04:24:29dreamlayersIf you have a v1 e250, then the original firmware can't read SDHC cards. Rockbox can read them.
04:24:36robin0800_muzikluvr: rockbox can see up to a 32gb card
04:25:00muzikluvrwow cool ......
04:25:45robin0800_muzikluvr: best to have a card reader though
04:25:50muzikluvri will try to install it hopefully it isnt too painful
04:26:16muzikluvrnot like when i had to find the firmware and reload it yicks
04:27:06muzikluvri have a card reader, as long as it will play and i can listen to it in the car
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04:32:06tmztyou can even copy files to/from the card with rockbox
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04:33:26muzikluvrhmmm it is telling my "mount point is wrong"
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04:33:34muzikluvri have it connected
04:37:44bubsywe need sound on Zen Vision:M
04:38:20kkurbjunbubsy: sound on the zen vision M is alot close now than when that was written
04:38:40muzikluvrwhat am I doing wrong?
04:39:55tmztmuzikluvr: what opereating system are you using?
04:40:03muzikluvrwindows xp
04:40:14muzikluvri downloaded the right one
04:40:50tmztmount point?
04:40:59tmztcan you give the full error?
04:41:44kkurbjunOffahnd I think the zvm uses the TI DM320 which is the same chip that's used in the M:Robe and we have sound working on that player so a good portion of the framework is done to get it going
04:42:17robin0800muzikluvr: You have the player in MSC usb mode?
04:42:32tmztsorry I need to go
04:42:42tmztplease don't leave if you still have questions
04:42:43muzikluvrlet me check
04:42:54muzikluvrthanks for the help
04:43:01muzikluvrmuch appreciated tmzt
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04:43:53bubsyso kkurbjun, is the port useable except for the sound?
04:43:58bubsywhat doesn't work yet?
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04:44:23muzikluvroh yes got it! its installing now
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04:44:51robin0800muzikluvr: What was wrong?
04:45:06kkurbjunbubsy: I can't say for sure on the zvm. I don't have that player, I would imagine that it is fairly functional based on the m:robe, but I am not really sure.
04:45:08muzikluvrthe msc mode thing
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04:45:40bubsyI see kkurbjun :)
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04:49:42muzikluvrawwww i wont be able to have themes.... oh well hopefullly the card will work
04:51:16robin0800muzikluvr: Why no themes?
04:52:00muzikluvrit told me a newer version is going to be released
04:53:58robin0800muzikluvr: Well you can download them from the new theme site
04:56:09muzikluvrthis is friggen sweeet!!!!!!!11
04:56:41bubsyaaw I want to run rockbox
04:56:45bubsyall I have is this shitty ipod touch
04:56:57bubsyand I like to play modules, ogg, flac etc
04:57:11bubsyit sucks to do it through vlc4iphone :(
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05:33:42CIA-43dreamlayers r20764 trunk/apps/playback.c: In audio_current_track(), don't overwrite thistrack_id3 when it is being used by the codec. This fixes divide by zero errors when selecting other ...
05:37:03*dreamlayers wonders if he should close the task or leave it open for a few more days in case anyone needs to report a problem.
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05:54:06JdGordondreamlayers: close it... worst case is it has to be reopened... if you dont close it you run the risk of forgetting about it
05:57:54dreamlayersJdGordon: ok, I just closed it.
05:58:10JdGordoni saw :)
05:58:28JdGordonnow to reopen it so it can be closed "3rd time lucky" :D
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06:01:01dreamlayersIf anyone has an iHP-120 or H320, I'd like to know if the playback pauses are fixed by r20747, so that FS #10115 can be closed.
06:01:26JdGordoni've got a h320.. ill have a look but i dont think i had the problem before
06:02:04JdGordonmine is cf modded... if that changes anything?
06:02:36dreamlayersYes, that would fix the problem because CF doesn't need to spin up.
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06:24:18CIA-43kkurbjun r20765 trunk/apps/plugins/ (31 files): Add initial plugin keymaps for M:robe 500
06:29:13CIA-43kkurbjun r20766 trunk/firmware/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add second buffer for YUV blitting, progressbar and FPS display in mpegplayer work correct now.
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06:36:49CIA-43kkurbjun r20768 trunk/bootloader/gigabeat.c: Gigabeat FX: Look for button A (rather than any button) in bootloader for verbose mode - needed for flashed bootloader
06:39:20CIA-43kkurbjun r20769 trunk/firmware/target/arm/s3c2440/crt0.S: Gigabeat FX: Use the bootsplash stored in flash when bootloader is started from flash
06:46:19JdGordonkkurbjun: clearing a bit of a backlog aye? :)
06:46:44kkurbjun:), yeah, I was tired of looking at my mess of a diff everytime I wanted to commit something
06:47:01kkurbjunI still have a few more things I need to get into the main tree
06:47:07kkurbjunlike the gigabeat flashwriter
06:47:22kkurbjunthat's definitely the majority of my diff
06:48:27kkurbjuntime to sleep now though
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07:24:27firebird619Is it possible for me to install rockbox to my microSD card and use that, will rockbox start from there?
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07:57:39amiconnkkurbjun: Did you notice the huge ZVM* deltas?
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09:04:07MTlinuxstb : Frames are properly constructed now ;)
09:04:19linuxstbMT: \o/
09:05:03linuxstbMT: How big is a frame? Does this mean you need to copy them in memory before passing to the decoder?
09:05:30*GodEater wonders what time it is where MT is
09:05:47MTthe current sample I'm working with (64Kbps) 1 frame = 186bytes
09:06:08linuxstbAnd these need to be assembled into "packets" ?
09:06:13MTGodEater : it's 9:05 now, I'm awake since 6.30 though :)
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09:06:50GodEaterearly riser!
09:07:01MTlinuxstb : in the encoded file they're packed into packets (each containing 5 frames)
09:08:30linuxstbMT: What needs to be passed to the cook decoder?
09:08:44MTlinuxstb : but for decoding, first a scrambling unit must be constructed, which contains sub_packet_h multiple of frames, and then send each frame one by one to the decoder.
09:09:43linuxstbWhat do you need to do with the frames before sending to the decoder?
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09:09:55linuxstbAnd do you know if there is a maximum value for sub_packet_h ?
09:11:12MTin the current sample 1 scrambling unit contains 16 frames, so first, 16 frames (sub_packets) are copied from the descriptor according to a crazy formula, then looping through this unit sending a unit of sub_packet_size to the decoder.
09:11:28MTI don't know yet if there's a maximum for sub_packet_h
09:11:50MTin the samples I have the maximum was ~32
09:12:07linuxstbIs there some kind of (simple, XOR) encryption used? Or am I remembering wrongly?
09:12:13GodEaterpixelma: I brought my c240 to work with me - remind me which patch you want testing again ?
09:12:40MTyes there's an XOR encryption, but this is handled by the decoder
09:13:18pixelmaGodEater: ah nice :) It's the last one in FS #8824 (keymap changes)
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09:15:02MTThe demuxer is finished when it's able to produce proper frames for decoding, which it does now :) .. still needs some cleaning though.
09:15:33BigBambipixelma: Sorry, I ran out of time last night - I'll try tonight
09:16:08MTtmzt : (if this is directed to me) yes
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09:17:41tmztwas following before, cool to have that possibly supported
09:40:37GodEaterthe rockbox site redesign thread has finally reaped a reward. Really liking what macku has come up with!
09:42:03ajbI keep seeing a lot of strncpy's that absolutly fill the destination rather than only copying the length of the string. Is this a deliberate policy?
09:42:15ajbe.g. strncpy(thistrack_id3->path, filename, sizeof(thistrack_id3->path)-1);
09:43:08B4gderajb: it's a subject of discussion at least
09:43:17B4gderstrlcpy vs strncpy for example
09:44:53*GodEater finds no man page for strlcpy
09:45:10B4gderno, it's not in glibc
09:45:24B4gderit's a bit controversial in various camps
09:45:30ajbIs the strlcpy patch likely to go in? For one thing blindly copying sizeof() lengths in the simulator makes Valgrind very noisy
09:45:34GodEaterI'm just reading the wiki page on it
09:45:44B4gderajb: what?
09:45:45ajbI would argue it's also pretty pointless
09:45:54B4gderblindly copying what?
09:46:08ajbB4gder: uninitialised data
09:46:18B4gderah yes
09:46:26B4gderbut why does it do that+
09:46:34B4gderstrncpy only copies the inited data
09:46:35Zagorajb: how does it do that? strncpy is not memcpy
09:46:38B4gderand then zeropads
09:47:01B4gderits the zeropad that is silly, it doesn't copy more than necessary
09:47:21*ajb looks
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09:48:40B4gderafact, valgrind shouldn't trigger on anything rockbox does
09:48:49ajbB4gder: hmmm, let me look more closely at what Valgrind doesn't like
09:48:59B4gder−−db-attach=yes ;-)
09:49:03Zagoryeah the padding looks a bit unnecessary, but I too don't see why valgrind would object
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09:52:16ajbB4gder: for example
09:52:37ajbAlthough SDL and are responsioble for a lot of noise at the start
09:53:14Bagderright, you could filter out all the stuff that isn't rockbox
09:53:15ajbAhh well
09:53:33Bagderbut yes, it does seem to point to flaws
09:53:33ajbstrncpy trips up Valgrind as it copys in longs
09:53:50Bagderno, that's not the reason
09:54:07Bagderstrncpy() works fine
09:54:10ajb while (count >= sizeof (long int) && !DETECTNULL(*aligned_src)
09:55:11ajbSo you never see valgrind fingure strncpy on your setup?
09:56:09Bagderif strncpy() would be bad, valgrind would barf on 90% of all the apps out there
09:56:21Bagderand it doesn't
09:57:01ajbline 661 onwards of the dump
09:57:37B4gderyes, that indicates a flaw in the playback code
09:57:45Zagorajb: are you debugging old code? the line numbers don't match up.
09:58:04ajbsvn as of yesterday, I'll update
09:59:46Zagorok, boris' commit did that
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10:02:38ajbI'm actually trying to track down why RB doesn't like the mp4 tags in a file I have. But the noise got in the way
10:03:50Zagorthis is good noise :-)
10:06:21ZagorI don't see how strncpy deals with src len being 3 bytes and count being 4? then line 103 will read a long from src, causing "depends on uninitialised value(s)"
10:06:59ajbWith svn 20769
10:09:00B4gder−−db-attach=yes is a good idea still, to see exactly what the problem is
10:09:35Zagoryeah, I'd like to see the filename length
10:09:42Zagorand count
10:09:49*ajb is doing it now
10:10:40ZagorB4gder: do you see what I mean? am I overlooking something?
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10:12:22B4gderI agree that 'filename' is a starting point for clues
10:13:08ajbgdb dump so far:
10:13:14ajbit seems filename is very broken
10:13:50ajbbut when I was running with gdb (and no valgrind) it seemed fine. I wonder if it was just lucky
10:14:02*ajb runs with just gdb
10:14:23Zagorafaik valgrind initializes the memory differently, casuing bugs to appear differently
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10:14:43B4gderyeah, and gdb is quite the opposite
10:14:55B4gderI mean, lots of bugs actually no longer happen when you gdb it
10:15:46ajbIn my experience with Valgrind it is correct to do so, it's usually right
10:16:01ajbI'll get it the gdb only up and running on the side
10:16:17B4gdervalgrind certainly is a rocking tool
10:21:00ajbgdb only, no valgrind and everything seems in order:
10:24:17Zagorajb: try starting the sim with valgrind, then attach gdb to it (using gdb <program> <pid>)
10:24:37ajbZagor: ok
10:25:13Zagorthat should let you debug valgrind-initialized code pre-valgrind warnings
10:25:34Zagorsuch as the tag reading
10:26:24ajbbut of course you can't do that
10:27:16ajbas valgrind doesn't "run" rockbox but is a fancy binary translator. The valgrinded process isn't a normal process
10:27:25Zagorahh, of course
10:27:37ajbI'll see if I can se db-attch before the bug and go from there
10:27:38kugel"$1 = 0x10090a380 <Address 0x10090a380 out of bounds>", that's an issue I have too sometimes
10:27:56kugelbut not in strncpy, but somewhere in the wps code
10:30:25kugelajb: doesn't that crash in gdb too?
10:30:50ajbkugel: Well the WPS get's corrupted (wierd glyphs) but I assume that's because of bogus id3 strings
10:31:25ajbit would in my build where it not for:
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10:35:47kugelthat should probably be part of the if(!str || !str[0]) line anyway (i.e. if(!str || !str[0] || !utf8length(str))
10:36:28ajbkugel: sure, it's just a quick hack ATM. And it's papering over corruption from somewhere else
10:36:46ajbAlthough routines should probably be as failsafe as possible
10:37:05B4gderbut utf8 can't have zeroes, can it?
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10:37:36B4gderI mean !str[0] should be enough for utf8 too
10:38:52ajbB4gder: the string it was trying to parse is in the pastebin, utf8length gave 0 (bad string?) which originally promptly triggered a div0
10:43:06kugellooking at utf8length should give a clue
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10:45:48ajbI assumed MASK meant the dud char wasn't counted and then utf8length imeadiatly exited with 0 length. However utf8decode was happy enough to return a width of 1 character
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10:46:26ajbTBH I have no idea how UTF8 is meant to be coded, as I say that patch was just a band aid. The string should have been something more sensible
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10:52:10ajbFWIW the strlcpy patch does remove one element of corruption in the WPS and remove the valgrind warnings in strncpy (obviously)
10:52:37B4gderbut the warnings is due to what is passed to strncpy(), not the function itself
10:52:53B4gderso you should still get the warnings with strlcpy
10:53:45ajbB4gder: Well I don't, who knows why? Maybe an earlier strncpy is responsible for scribling on something?
10:54:20B4gderif so, then it it gets bad input too...
10:54:26ajbIf anyone wants to check the file that is triggering all this privmsg me
10:55:41ajbB4gder: Well it only takes one bad sizeof() in a strncpy to scribble a pointer and break it.
10:56:25Zagorajb: the thing is valgrind is complaining about the source string, not the destination
10:57:40Zagorhowever I still don't see how strncpy handles short source strings 100% kosher
10:58:01ajbZagor: sure, but where does that source string come from? Is it a pointer direct in the m4a...
10:58:43Zagorajb: yes, but the point is that the sizeof has nothing to do with it. the sizeof only concerns the destination string
10:58:48ajbI suggest someone tries playing the file I have and seeing if they can replicate the Valgrind warning on their setup (maybe not a 64bit like mine).
10:59:57ajbZagor: I mean some other strncpy somewhere. The FS #10080 patch replaces them all.
11:00:24kugelajb: long is 8byte on 64bit. strncpy expects 4bit afaik (see DETECTNULL)
11:00:46Zagorkugel: no. #if LONG_MAX == 9223372036854775807L
11:02:36Zagoris anyone opposing FS #10080?
11:03:10*kugel is not
11:03:23kugelI'm in the pro-strlcpy-camp
11:04:49pixelmaI believe there was some discussion about it here around the day n1s posted it (don't remember details or the outcome)
11:07:44ajbI'm pro it from the point of view of reducing needless copying. The Valgrind result is just an interesting anecdote unless I figure out how it fixed things.
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11:10:14BagderI recall amiconn not being too positive
11:10:24BagderI am for strlcpy() in general
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11:12:01kugelwasn't his no based on a wrong assumption?
11:12:44Bagderwell, he claimed wrong facts but I don't think it mattered
11:13:03gevaertsHe thought there was a bug in the fat.c one, which wasn't the case
11:13:10gevaerts(I think...)
11:13:50Bagderit wasn't what I was referring to, but let's not repeat that
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15:43:39*apo just updated his rockbox to the current build (old build was over a year old...), and my wps is suddenly being ignored... any ideas?
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15:55:58GodEaterapo: go back through the WPS forum and read all the "my WPS is now broken" threads
15:55:59LambdaCalculus37apo: Old WPS syntax. You'll have to update it.
15:56:07GodEaterthey'll tell you what changed and what you need to fix
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16:06:35kugelFlynDice: is your patch so slow too?
16:08:23FlynDicekugel: no, my patch isfull speed but playback is not good. I trie your patch with same invalidate_dcache call that makes mine work and yours is still slow but functional
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16:10:28FlynDicewell not funtional but playback is off-onn in 1-2 sec increments
16:12:09kugelthat's what I'm having too
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16:12:36FlynDicekugel: sorry about the red yesterday, thanks for cleaning up my mess....
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16:13:27kugelFlynDice: no problem
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16:34:22apoGodEater, LambdaCalculus37: Thanks.
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16:48:13archivatorAs of 4.2, gcc supports OpenMP - any chance of making that usable on dual core targets?
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17:10:04mcuelenaerewpyh: ping
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17:25:15wpyhI wonder if mcuelenaere has something for me to test ;)
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17:25:24*mcuelenaere has
17:25:29mcuelenaerewpyh: do you still have your VX767?
17:25:41wpyhyes, I have it. with me :D
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17:25:49wpyhhaven't used it for some time though
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17:27:42mcuelenaerewpyh: do you have a MIPSel compiler at hand?
17:28:00*wpyh already forgot how to load a program onto the vx767... hm... time to look at the sources again
17:28:15wpyhmcuelenaere: yes, I have gcc
17:28:43wpyhI mean, mipsel-elf gcc
17:28:53wpyh(from the rbdev build)
17:29:53mcuelenaereok, then try compiling usbtool (I updated it)
17:30:04mcuelenaere(you'll need to compile for it, see README)
17:31:17wpyhdid you just update it?
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17:31:32mcuelenaereno, some time ago
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17:34:13mcuelenaere(I just mentioned it because it doesn't need any of those 1.bin etc files anymore)
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17:41:24CIA-43mcuelenaere r20770 trunk/utils/jz4740_tools/README: Update jz4740_tools README
17:47:42CIA-43mcuelenaere r20771 trunk/bootloader/ondavx747.c: Fix VX767 bootloader warning
17:48:21*Unhelpful is a bit confused by our jpeg decoder's search_restart - per spec, a restart marker is FF,D[0..7]. we check for either FF,XX or XX,00 and treat either as a valid restart.
17:49:03wpyhmcuelenaere: well, it shows me a garbled screen as usual, then the screen turns off after a while
17:49:05mcuelenaerewpyh: to load the bootloader to your DAP: usbool 10 bootloader.bin
17:49:20mcuelenaeredarn, so the LCD isn't fixed after all..
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17:49:28mcuelenaeredo you have a camera at hand?
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17:49:36wpyhmcuelenaere: uh, I did usbtool 10 rockboot.vx767 :(
17:49:46mcuelenaerethat's the same
17:49:58mcuelenaerecp bootloader.bin rockboot.vx767
17:49:58mcuelenaeregets done in the Makefile
17:50:06wpyhah, ok
17:50:24wpyhyes, I have a camera phone
17:50:40mcuelenaerecould you take a picture of the LCD?
17:51:47*mcuelenaere wonders where he got the VX767 LCD init routines..
17:51:51archivatorI am experiencing really weird behavior with FS #10065 - once the disk is spun down, playback experiences freezes every 3-5 seconds. I couldn't get it to freeze with the disk spinning ..
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17:55:37wpyhmcuelenaere: please wait, I'm trying to take a good picture
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18:13:02CIA-43dreamlayers r20772 trunk/tools/configure: FS #9973 by Yoshihisa Uchida: Fix simulator build failure when using advanced configure options on targets which build RomBox (Archos Player, Ondio SP)
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18:16:20dionoeaHum ... #rockbox has commit messages now?
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18:21:24dionoeaIn case anybody cares, the CIA bot can be configured to use nice colors (makes the different items in the notification stand out) of the few places where I actually approve of color usage on IRC :P
18:22:45dionoeasame here :)
18:27:38pixelmasomeone turned that off
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18:45:36scorcheso who controls the bot then?
18:45:57mcuelenaerescorche: the 'community'
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18:48:14scorcheok, who has a log in for the bot? ;)
18:48:50mcuelenaerescorche: I do, but anyone can access it
18:49:01mcuelenaerejust create a account
18:49:49agaffneyyou don't even need an account
18:50:23gevaertsagaffney: you do if you want to edit bot settings
18:50:37scorcheagaffney: and how is one supposed to control the bot without a log in from that page?
18:50:42agaffneyah, I misread
18:50:51agaffneyI misread "log in" for "log"
18:50:58agaffneyI thought someone just wanted to see the commit history :P
18:51:31gevaertswe have tools for that :)
18:51:53*mcuelenaere wonders why the Rockbox svn-connection is disabled
18:52:32mcuelenaereah, rasher disabled it
18:52:55gevaertsmcuelenaere: duplicates I guess
18:54:29scorchemcuelenaere: i assume it is so it stops polling SVN for updates and just relies on the much faster svn hook
18:54:55*mcuelenaere didn't know of the SVN hook
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19:01:42scorchewould anyone mind if i added some color/formatting into the string to make things easier to read then?
19:02:03*mcuelenaere wouldn't object
19:02:24*scorche already changed the formatting a slight bit
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19:02:51*amiconn disagrees about the niceness of colours in irc
19:02:52gevaertsGo ahead. That will also make it easier to identify them on sight, and therefore easier to ignore if you're involved in a discussion
19:03:23mcuelenaerescorche: the changes you just made: wouldn't that make the text longer? (it seems to get cut off already)
19:04:00scorchemcuelenaere: i would imagine it would be mainly the files portion that would get cut off typically...which i would be fine with
19:04:17scorchein fact, i would be fine with leaving them out of the message too, but...
19:04:30mcuelenaerethere seems to be a widthLimit tag
19:04:41rasherscorche: I am in favour of colours (for messages like this)
19:04:44mcuelenaereoh, I misread your message
19:05:35mcuelenaereyes, the files portion should probably be left out
19:05:48mcuelenaere(and perhaps the widthLimit should get removed?)
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19:06:47scorcheeh...we can change that later
19:09:31Mode"#rockbox -c " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
19:12:11BigBambiscorche: yes to colours :)
19:12:32scorchei added some basic formatting...we can change it if it doesnt sit well
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19:14:04pixelmaI also liked the colours more for the CIA bot, makes it easier to recognise in the usual chat lines (also one of the rare cases if not the only one I prefer that)
19:14:17kugelinteresting, this new sorting tag version
19:14:50*BigBambi supposes that he ought to go and find his c200 :)
19:15:25kugelBigBambi: why?
19:15:54pixelmawell, he said he would test something....
19:16:57kugelah, 10h ago :)
19:17:12*GodEater wills pondlife to appear
19:17:23kugelBigBambi still needs a rockbox icon in the logs!
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19:23:28BigBambikugel: heh, yeah - I never look at the logs on the site so didn't notice :)
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19:27:55*pixelma looks at the logs sometimes but wouldn't notice the icons
19:28:09pixelmabecause of reading the raw logs
19:30:06kugelraw logs are for machines :p
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19:35:36scorcheraw logs are the same way we read them...
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19:48:46jaykaywould it be possible with the hid-driver to use some players as a microphone?
19:49:49jaykayis this possible at all?
19:49:59gevaertsyes, with an audio driver...
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19:53:32jaykayso the hid only makes it possible to send events to e.g. windows?
19:53:59rasherIt makes it possible to act like a HID
19:54:27jaykaywhat really?
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19:57:06jaykaygevaerts: wouldn't the audio driver be a good project for gsoc?
19:57:30BigBambijaykay: there are many classes that would be good
19:57:55BigBambijaykay: HID has the advantage for instance of being able to be used to allow charging on Windows
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19:59:00jaykayi think i got that wrong... charging is possible on windows
20:00:29gevaertsjaykay: not without an MSC connection
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20:01:38bertrikhave we actually seen a machine that refused to charge a dap without a proper USB driver?
20:02:02jaykaygevaerts: and he disadvantage of this is that rockbox is unable to do something else
20:02:15gevaertsbertrik: it doesn't finish enumerating, so you don't get the 500mA allowance
20:02:28gevaertsjaykay: that's the main reason, yes
20:03:29evilnick_7gevaerts: What do you get if not 500mA?
20:03:43bertrikgevaerts, I mean has that really proved to be a problem in practice?
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20:04:07gevaertsbertrik: yes, if we follow the rules
20:04:08mcuelenaeregevaerts: so how do USB chargers work? do they just give out 500mA without confirming the DAP?
20:04:39jaykayer... if i hold select on my e200 and connect it to the computer, windows asks me to install drivers for "rockbox media player" with admin rights, but rockbox continues as normal and shows the charging icon
20:04:42bertrikgevaerts, I take that as a no
20:04:48jaykaydoes it charge then?
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20:05:27rasherjaykay: It does, but not at 500mA
20:05:42gevaertsjaykay: maybe. It should not use more than 100mA then. I'm not sure if this is implemented properly on e200 yet though
20:06:18jaykayok, thanks
20:06:47jaykayBigBambi: which other classes would be possible/useful?
20:07:10*gevaerts wonders if jaykay has looked at this year's gsoc page on the wiki yet
20:07:16gevaertsbertrik: it'
20:07:49gevaertsbertrik: it's not a problem if we ignore all rules, but then we don't get to feel smug for being better than the OF :)
20:08:14archivatorBy the way, nothing is stopping us from implementing MTP on all targets with the rockbox usb stack, right?
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20:08:41BigBambibertrik: The beast won't charge on Windows as it currently is
20:09:07jaykaygevaerts: Thanks, i really didn't read it
20:09:11bertrikgevaerts, ah ok that was the reason I was looking for :)
20:09:34gevaertsjaykay: it answers a lot of your questions :)
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20:09:57jaykayBigBambi: i'm reading that right now
20:10:09bertrikBigBambi, and the reason for not charging is in USB you think?
20:10:22BigBambibertrik: Yeah, as gevaerts said
20:10:35jaykay"HID requires interrupt transactions"
20:10:36BigBambibertrik: It charges if you connect with MSC
20:10:38jaykaywhat are interrupt transactions?
20:10:56BigBambibertrik: just not if you do the charging only connection
20:10:58gevaertsbertrik: yes. The beast code limits current to 100mA if there is a real USB bus, and there's no full enumeration
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20:11:28bluebrotheris down?
20:11:42bertrikwow. Is that the beast OF or does the beast rockbox do that?
20:11:55gevaertsbertrik: rockbox
20:12:47gevaertsbluebrother: I can't reach it
20:13:04bertrikso it's a self-imposed limitation
20:13:44gevaertsdepends on how you look at it
20:15:46evilnick_6Which explains why the beast will run out of power if you use it as a USB drive without AC power too.
20:16:21gevaertsno. It should use 500mA then
20:16:43tomersWill anyone take a quick look and tell me if it is going to be committed? (FS #10125 - Make the iPod bootloader screen more appealing) If no, let's close this one
20:17:03rasherI think it should
20:18:44evilnick_6I've tried leaving my beast connected to Windows (scandisk-ing) and it powers down eventually, so does that indicate 500mA or 100 or inconclusive?
20:19:20gevaertsit does indicate *something*. I'm not sure what
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20:59:15PrismI just installed rockbox and now the computer doesn't recognize the c250. The c250 and rockbox works fine otherwise. I have been trying to find more info online but I am not really sure of what I am doing to fix it. Does anyone have any advice?
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21:01:42gevaertsPrism: yes, give us more information :)
21:01:58PrismI wonder if I am lagging.
21:02:04linuxstbtomers_: I don't see anything wrong with the current ipod bootloader text - that's the order I've always seen the button combinations written (naming the top one first for each pair).
21:02:26linuxstbThe real problem is that people don't appear to understand it, and come here quoting that text, asking what to do...
21:03:51PrismWhen I plug it in, It doesn't show up. I followed the directions for intallation. rockbox booted. I plugged it in the usb icon popped up, but I don't see it on my computer
21:04:04gevaertswhat OS are you using?
21:04:08domonokyPrism: which version did you install ? release or latest build ?
21:04:28rasherlinuxstb: it looks horrible
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21:07:47linuxstbrasher: I've never thought that. And I haven't seen anyone else comment on it in the last 3 or 4 years...
21:08:00PrismI installed the release
21:08:40rasherlinuxstb: people don't generally complain about stuff like that, but making it less silly-looking will still be better
21:08:45linuxstbAnd it's the common way to write the combos, so can't see a reason to change it.
21:09:16evilnick_6Prism: It should reboot to the OF on USB insert then
21:09:18gevaertsPrism: what happens if you unplug the c250 again?
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21:09:31linuxstbrasher: What makes it silly? It's just words...
21:09:34rasherThe reason being that MENU+SELECT right above SELECT+PLAY looks stupid
21:09:59linuxstbWhy is it stupid? It's the physical locations of the buttons - top first, then the one underneath.
21:10:09*linuxstb _really_ doesn't understand what's wrong...
21:10:25gevaertslinuxstb: you're not poetic enough :)
21:10:49rasherIt looks very displeasing. Do you generally "read" button combos like that and expect the order to be top-to-bottom?
21:10:57rasherI've never *ever* heard of such a thing
21:11:05PrismHA! I ask for help then it works. -_- just my luck.
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21:11:36gevaertsPrism: what OS are you using on the computer?
21:11:36linuxstbI've _always_ seen the reset combo written "menu and select", and _always_ seen the disk mode combo as "select and play".
21:11:53rasherSo we can never change.
21:12:15linuxstbWhy change a convention?
21:12:45*linuxstb stops this argument now - if lots of people want to change, then go ahead...
21:13:16rasherI don't see how the order matters
21:13:32rasherIn which meaning it conveys, that is
21:14:08PrismI am using windows vista
21:15:02gevaertsok. Maybe your cable wasn't connected perfectly?
21:15:22gevaertsI don't see many other possible causes
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21:18:00*bluebrother is with linuxstb on the order issue
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21:19:35PrismThat could be it
21:21:58tomers_gevaerts: I enable USB_HID through the command in debug menu. I need to re-enable it before each attach. How do I set it to be enabled by default (like mass storage works)?
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21:32:53pixelmathanks for trying out and the comment BigBambi :) Do you have an opinion about "long Right" versus "VolUp" for resume (if you tried the first patch maybe)?
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21:35:47BigBambipixelma: I don't really mind - I think because it is such a long time since I tried the first one that I wasn't "used" to either, and both are as good/bad as each other
21:36:13BigBambiI think if anything I prefer long right, but it is very marginal
21:36:29pixelmaok, thanks again
21:36:58BigBambino problem, I'd very much like to see this go in
21:45:04gevaertstomers_: have a look at usb.c, look for the usb_core_enable_driver(USB_DRIVER_MASS_STORAGE, true); line
21:45:33pixelmaBigBambi: I should leave the WPS context menu one for Llorean ;)
21:45:58BigBambiGoing to long select?
21:46:12BigBambiI'll do it if you want, I've been advocating it for a long time :)
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21:48:46PrismI figured out what I did. I think I installed rockbox onto the micro sd card. It boots up normally without the card, but when I install the card into the c250. rockbox starts up normally
21:50:30DBUGEnqueued KICK CIA-43
21:50:30CIA-43New commit by bluebrother for r20773: Invalidate preview image cache when updating to prevent a resize event repainting the old image before the new image is downloaded.
21:51:01PrismI am not sure if it's suppose to work that way, but I guess it's all good. I just have to remember to remove the card when I want to load music.
21:51:15evilnick_6Prism: Hmmm, I wasn't aware that rockbox would look on the micro sd card for the files it needs to boot
21:52:10rasherscorche: can we get the "r" as part of the same text as the revision number? Also "for r20773" sounds weird
21:52:23gevaertsPrism: is that a sdhc card (i.e. more than 2GB)?
21:52:57scorcherasher: "for rXXXXX" sounded fine to me...what would you suggest?
21:53:10rasherscorche: (rXXXX)
21:53:12evilnick_6gevaerts: Would the bootloader also check the sd card on the c200 series?
21:53:24evilnick_6^ for .rockbox I meant
21:53:25scorcheand you mean you want the r bolded too?...i figured that the number was the important bit, so didnt bold that
21:53:45PrismYes it is
21:53:47rasherWell it messes with my script that linkifies revision numbers :(
21:54:03rasherIt's barely visible anyway
21:54:06BigBambi"for rxxxx" does sound slightly odd to me
21:54:36gevaertsPrism: at least on e200 the OF doesn't boot at all with sdhc cards. I'm not sure about the c200
21:54:49moos"as rXXXXX" maybe?
21:55:07BigBambijust "(rXXXX) would be best IMO
21:55:15scorcheyeah...i changed that
21:56:07evilnick_6gevaerts: Doesn't boot, or doesn't show the SD card?
21:56:11CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
21:56:11*scorche makes r bolded too.../shrug
21:56:14jaykaythe CIA-bot produces some "unknown-symbol"-symbols in the logs
21:56:20gevaertsevilnick_6: in my case, doesn't boot
21:56:29Prismok that is good to know.
21:57:04gevaertsAlso, the bootloader never loads rockbox from the sd card, so I'm pretty sure that this sdhc thing is your issue
21:57:11scorchejaykay: those are formatting, yeah...easily ignored though in the logs...
21:57:31evilnick_6gevaerts: Mine boots no problem with an 8GB sdhc card (280 v1)
21:57:56gevaertsmaybe it depends on the version?
21:58:22Prismwait let me test it to make sure I understand what is going on. right now. with the card not in the mp3 player it boots and my computer sees the mp3 player
21:59:01GodEatermy c200 refuses to boot with an sdhc card in it too
21:59:02*scorche wonders how it might look with the entire text (except the name) being green
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21:59:41Prismok now with the card in the mp3 player it doesn't show up on my computer
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22:02:08Prismmeh. I am just happy it works now.
22:02:50gevaertsthat's always the most important thing :)
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22:06:31froggymanWith Winamp, it keeps detecting my iPod as a well.... iPod, but i dont want this because then it uses the iTunes DB format, I am in rockboxes USB mode, and just want it to be detected as a Mass storage device
22:06:47froggymansorry if this is the wrong place, but it does deal with rockbox
22:07:10scorchefroggyman: no, it deals with winamp...go ask them how to change it...
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22:08:02gevaertstomers: did you get my PM?
22:08:04evilnick_6froggyman: There may be an option within Winamp to treat the iPod as a UMS hard drive
22:08:44froggymanevilnick_6: do you know where that might be or have a suggestion for a different program?
22:10:19bluebrotherdon't use winamp :)
22:11:29*evilnick_6 echoes bluebrother
22:12:32froggymanok, then may you suggest a program that i do use?
22:12:37evilnick_6froggyman: I'm pretty sure that this is possible within MediaMonkey, I use foobar2000 personally though, and use Windows Explorer to move files back and forward
22:15:26froggymani'll give media monkey a try; it would nice to see rockbox comeout with its own media manager... but that would take a lot of work to get it going,
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22:16:28bluebrotherthere's no point in a media manager for Rockbox. There are several other programs doing it better (plus, you have the choice to use the one you like best)
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22:26:05kugelrasher: you were interested in the sorting tag patch?
22:26:44kugelit seems a guy managed to do it properly without much ram cost. I fixed the memory allocation a bit. in case you're still interested
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22:37:29*Unhelpful wonders what exactly was done... have an index file containing "artist" strings but sorted by "sortartist"?
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23:13:23kugelUnhelpful: ye
23:15:23kugelwhat I didn't know: the tags are apparently sorted at initializing time (not at browsing time). That's why it would be too wasteful to just touch the compare function. But this guy just did it, and it turned out they're not sorted at browsing time
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23:16:08Unhelpfulkugel: i'm confused, then... is artist *always* sorted by artistsort?
23:16:47FlynDicekugel: I got your mmu patch going high speed... I'll upload a patch to FS #10048 shortly
23:17:02kugelFlynDice: high speed as in?
23:17:21kugellet's say high speed for "36mhz for mp3", and what we have now is full speed, ok?
23:18:01FlynDiceI mean I used your patch and the ui is not running sluggishly is all
23:18:09kugelUnhelpful: but artistsort == artist if the tag isn't filled. if the tag is filled, it's likely wanted behavior
23:18:33kugelFlynDice: so svn speed? that would already be an improvement I gess
23:18:57kugelif we reach svn speed at least, we can commit it, just to get rid of long calls.
23:19:23FlynDiceother problems, microsd won't work but he responsivenes is there at least.
23:20:25Unhelpfulkugel: nice... so it populates the artistsort index during build, and the artist index is sorted by artistsort? and same for album/albumartist? also, did you track down your data abort?
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23:21:35kugelUnhelpful: I think I did, yes. I prevented the sorting tag index files from loading into ram which makes the data abort issue not appear anyway.
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23:22:37Unhelpfulwhy would the sort tag index ever load on a query?
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23:23:14kugelUnhelpful: I'm fairly sure it was a buffer overflow. It tried to alloc 270k, while the max needed ram has only been 230k
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23:24:26kugelit was in ram, because it was added as normal tag (just C&P from my previous patches, which didn't work like the one now). Now, they don't need to be populated at all, except at initialization and updating, that's why I prevented them from being in ram
23:25:31Unhelpfulit looks like we also follow the Picard convention for TXXX:ALBUMARTISTSORT?
23:25:44kugelFlynDice: unfortunately, I cannot resolve the microsd issue, I only have a half-working clip at the moment
23:26:09kugelUnhelpful: not sure how we use TXXX
23:26:46Unhelpfulit looks like we add a test for ALBUMARTISTSORT for mp3 metadata, so i guess it's good.
23:27:33kugelUnhelpful: custom tags are used for id3v2.3 and earlier, TXXX doesn't seem to be touched by this patch though
23:27:59kugelhowever, the patch looks like it looks for ALBUMARTISTSORT
23:28:16UnhelpfulXSOA/XSOP/XSOT - are these IDv2.3 extension tags? the only X* tags i know is XRVA, which is the same format as RVA2, but apparently the tag you "should" use for volume adjustment, which wasn't in id3v2.3
23:28:53FlynDicekugel: I 've got a little more time to play with it so lets see where I can get...
23:29:04kugelUnhelpful: yes, they are custom
23:29:33kugelI actually don't know how this custom/extension tags in id3 work :(
23:30:00Unhelpfulkugel: easy, you make up a format, assign it a key, and pray. :)
23:30:02kugelI use id3v2.4 and TSO* works
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23:41:36MTI added a link to my project's page here : . I want to change the page's parent to SummerOfCode2009, but can't.
23:42:13*MT is fairly new to twiki so it might be something stupid :/
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23:43:11kugelMT: I think only the swedes can do this
23:43:50kugel(the swedes: Bagder, Zagor and LinusN)
23:45:15MTkugel : Then it's fine the way it is right now ? i.e, I just have to worry about editing the project's page later ?
23:45:35Bagderi fixed it now
23:45:51MTBagder : thanks :)
23:46:49MTany comments on the page by the way ?
23:47:06Bagderseems like a perfect start!
23:47:54kugelalmost :)
23:48:44kugelsome terms are missinterpreted as wiki-words, but that's not much of a problem (fixable by prepending ! on those words)
23:48:45MTBagder : Thanks ! didn't expect that :)
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23:49:15MTkugel : ah about the wiki words, some of them are intended there
23:49:34CIA-43New commit by dreamlayers (r20774): FS #10129 - Start LCD sleep timer after PWM fadeout is complete
23:49:59MTlike CookCodec, I intend to write a page later about the codec
23:50:15MTAV* are to be fixed though, thanks for pointing out that
23:50:48linuxstbMT: Perhaps just create empty pages for now - it makes the page look untidy ;)
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23:52:03pixelmathat yellow name of the committer is impossible to read (not everyone uses a black background...)
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23:52:20BagderI have a white bg and I can read it!
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23:52:45pixelmaI can too but it's really really hard
23:52:49Bagderthe problem with colors on irc...
23:52:57*linuxstb doesn't like the colours at all - it's too dependent on the user's own preferences... Couldn't it simply be made bold, if it needs highlighting at all?
23:53:03MTlinuxstb : okay, but will do it probably on thursday ? :) (dead tired now)
23:53:12dreamlayersI have a light blue background and I can read it. It's just not as easy to read as it should be, IMHO.
23:53:14*MT agrees with pixelma
23:53:15BagderI dislike colors in irc as well
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23:53:30evilnick_7It's green using Mibbit, so shows up fine on the white background
23:53:43rasherThis is why you also set a background colour.
23:53:59Bagderbut I figure most clients can actually change the colors
23:54:10Bagderat least non-text ones
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23:54:50pixelmayeah, maybe boldening might be enough (maybe only the beginning)
23:55:04rasherkugel: mostly intererested in the sense that I think it should be done in some way
23:55:31pixelmalots of maybes...
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23:56:14BagderI like the speed of the CIA bot at least, I mean it's always here before the mail appears
23:57:20rasherIt's often here before svn commit returns..
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