| 00:00:30 | amiconn | Currently rockbox maxes out at 2GB, but that should be changed. Some OFs (I tested just one, but I guess many do) support the full FAT32 size range |
| 00:00:58 | JdGordon| | isnt 2GB the limit for fat32? |
| 00:01:07 | amiconn | No, 4GB-1 |
| 00:01:19 | JdGordon| | ah yes, ignore me :p |
| 00:01:20 | amiconn | FFAT32 file size is unsigned |
| 00:01:33 | Llorean | amiconn: Oh, I thought the 596 hours was in regard to the variable limits. |
| 00:01:33 | diskspin | will disk spin settings in a CF modded player somehow affect power consumption if used ? thanks. |
| 00:01:41 | * | Llorean didn't bother to actually do any math, and just leapt to conclusions. |
| 00:01:54 | amiconn | Llorean: It's a coincidence that it's also roughly the variable limit |
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| 00:02:05 | Llorean | Aaaah |
| 00:02:12 | amiconn | (with your change, not Buschel's) |
| 00:03:14 | * | Llorean just glanced at buschel's change and saw it touched way more stuff than seemed necessary. |
| 00:03:19 | evilnick_7 | diskspin: You could try that out using the batterybench plugin |
| 00:03:23 | Llorean | Though I mostly just assumed it was my lack of understanding of what's going on in there |
| 00:03:35 | JdGordon| | diskspin: it might have a very very tiny impact, but i doubt it would be noticable, or even measurable currently |
| 00:03:55 | * | mcuelenaere wonders about creating threads in plugins and having this setjmp/longjmp exit()-implementation |
| 00:04:01 | diskspin | so the settings are active with a CF modded player ? |
| 00:04:13 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 00:04:23 | amiconn | Llorean: He's converting milliseconds -> seconds and hence divides everything by 1000. Loses one more decimal digit of precision than the *100 -> /100 change |
| 00:04:37 | diskspin | aha, thanks |
| 00:04:59 | Llorean | The *100 -> /100 already is pretty imprecise in my file just because it's VBR |
| 00:05:10 | Llorean | I'm lucky if I land within about 6 minutes of where I'm aiming, near the end. |
| 00:05:17 | amiconn | The overflow limit is the same for both |
| 00:06:20 | amiconn | If you want to get rid of the limit without losing precision, you'd need to go 64 bit for the intermediate(s) |
| 00:07:14 | Llorean | Is the precision lost significant though? |
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| 00:08:15 | amiconn | It's hard to tell from the code... probably easier to try it out |
| 00:08:17 | myndz\ | new question: anybody know off the top of their head if mod support has made any gains lately? |
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| 00:08:36 | myndz\ | i swear i always have a hell of a time trying to find my way around the wiki :\ |
| 00:09:48 | linuxstb | myndz\: I don't believe so. Searching the svn changelog would be the best place (linked from the front page) |
| 00:10:19 | Unhelpful | mcuelenaere: PLUGIN_STATUS_OK == 0... i'd suggest that exit() only be called with one of the defined plugin exit status values, and that exit() add one to the passed value (to make sure it's non-zero), and that the setjmp return value have a matching -1 and be used as the plugin status. |
| 00:10:36 | amiconn | Llorean: You could test it. Revert r20755 loally, then introduce an intermediate: int64_t h_newtime = (int64_t)newtime * 100; and use that in the two places newtime*100 was used before |
| 00:10:53 | * | domonoky has now booked a flight for DevCon.. :-) |
| 00:11:18 | myndz\ | oh hey, it's searchable (now?) |
| 00:11:21 | myndz\ | fun! |
| 00:11:25 | Llorean | amiconn: I'll do that when I test later then. My expectation though is that the inaccuracy will be bad enough either way that I won't be able to tell. |
| 00:11:33 | mcuelenaere | Unhelpful: haven't you got my reply? |
| 00:11:56 | soap | I've missed a few weeks of logs, am I correct in saying charging is still an issue on iPods? That booting into the OF is still the only way to charge "properly"? I haven't seen any charging related SVN commits. |
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| 00:12:55 | myndz\ | (or is it? how do i searched logs?) |
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| 00:13:11 | Llorean | soap: AFAIK, yes, the charging patch hasn't been committed. |
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| 00:13:23 | amiconn | With an 21 hour file, the toc entries are ~12 minutes apart. Worst-case error is half than that. The code interpolates linearly between two toc entreis, so the error should be considerably lower than that unless bitrate (within the ~12 minutes between two toc entries) is very unbalanced. |
| 00:13:34 | linuxstb | myndz\: I simply meant to search using your browser's search feature. |
| 00:13:40 | myndz\ | ah |
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| 00:13:51 | myndz\ | check back every four weeks ;) |
| 00:14:03 | linuxstb | Or the other logs... |
| 00:14:28 | myndz\ | wish i was a reliable coder, i'd try and tackle it myself |
| 00:14:31 | Llorean | amiconn: Hm, then perhaps there's something else broken. |
| 00:15:16 | amiconn | I think the first calculation is the most important one. A little deviation there and you might end in the wrong "segment" |
| 00:15:46 | Llorean | Actually, yeah, there's something definitely wrong (with the build currently on my player, which is using the *100->/100) |
| 00:16:18 | Llorean | I can seek to point A, listen, seek to A+ 30 seconds, listen, and hear the same part of the file, while the seek bar and elapsed time show the new position. |
| 00:17:07 | mcuelenaere | Unhelpful: this seems to work: http://pastebin.com/m565a2c6f |
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| 00:19:40 | Unhelpful | mcuelenaere: that should be ok, but you'd still need to fix up any exit(1) calls :/ |
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| 00:20:57 | mcuelenaere | Unhelpful: hmm yes, I should probably use something like (1 << 31) etc, but still the possibility exists that there's an exit(1 << 31); call somewhere.. |
| 00:21:16 | Unhelpful | mcuelenaere: still much much less likely than exit(1) |
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| 00:23:43 | mcuelenaere | Unhelpful: I changed 1 & 2 to (1 << 30) & (2 << 30), which should work; but I'm going to bed now |
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| 00:26:56 | froggyman | does anyone have a recommended compiler for Win x86?, because i just started learning C and am need of a compiler to make the exe from the code |
| 00:27:31 | * | JdGordon| tows the company line and says visual studio |
| 00:27:37 | JdGordon| | unless you're talking about rockbox |
| 00:27:45 | Llorean | Well, this is #rockbox, not -community |
| 00:27:47 | BigBambi | #rockbox |
| 00:27:50 | Llorean | So, "gcc under cygwin" |
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| 00:29:43 | hjk | anyone know if the hdd6330 harddrive has a CF socket or if it's something non standard |
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| 01:04:57 | BryanJacobs | 'lo all - I just got an acceptance for Summer of Code, and I'd love to know who my mentor(s) are... |
| 01:06:37 | evilnick_7 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode2009#Accepted_projects_for_GSoC_2009 |
| 01:06:54 | BryanJacobs | ah, thank you, didn't look there |
| 01:08:05 | JdGordon| | remeber that if you get stuck at all you should jump in here and just ask and not wait for the mentors to be around... unless its not a technical problem |
| 01:08:06 | evilnick_7 | I'm sure I saw another version that had more than one mentor for some projects, but I can't find that now |
| 01:08:33 | BryanJacobs | evilnick_7: was probably the tentative projects page |
| 01:08:46 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: thanks, I will |
| 01:09:12 | evilnick_7 | BryanJacobs: Ah, it was the mail to the devlist: Bryan Jacobs (BryanJacobs) - Rockbox Support for Wavpack Hybrid Compression |
| 01:09:24 | evilnick_7 | Mentors: Dave Chapman (linuxstb), Alex Parker (BigBambi) |
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| 01:09:42 | BryanJacobs | evilnick_7: ah, I get the devlist in a digest so that hasn't yet come |
| 01:10:48 | JdGordon| | you shold probably change that... user ml is a good one for digest, the dev not so much |
| 01:11:04 | JdGordon| | especially because its not very busy |
| 01:11:09 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon: it has been low traffic... I didn't know before I signed up |
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| 01:42:18 | firebird619 | When trying to play music on a player with rockbox, I get a codec failure message. Is that more an issue with the audio file itself? |
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| 01:44:11 | soap | can be an issue with the rockbox main file not matching the codec files, as in an improper overwrite during an upgrade. |
| 01:44:50 | firebird619 | soap: I just reinstalled rockbox, I was having other issues earlier. Is there a way to test it to see what's going on? |
| 01:46:15 | firebird619 | soap: Whoa, I still have issues, now I'm getting a rockbox.mi4 not found message again. I guess that's the problem. |
| 01:46:26 | soap | unzip a fresh current build over your existing one, making sure your zip program overwrites all "duplicate" files. |
| 01:46:41 | soap | Or use RBUtil. |
| 01:47:17 | firebird619 | soap: Ok, will do. I'm on linux. RBUtil seems to cause problems for me. When I use it, I get "Read-only filesystem" messages. |
| 01:49:26 | firebird619 | Hmm, well I guess I have that read-only issue again now anyway. |
| 01:49:44 | firebird619 | The rockbox.mi4 file is there. |
| 01:51:13 | soap | IS your sansa mounted read only? |
| 01:51:44 | firebird619 | soap: No, /dev/sdb1 on /media/Sansa c240 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=winnt,uid=1000) |
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| 01:53:02 | soap | sorry, firebird619, I gotta run - maybe someone else can jump in |
| 01:53:38 | firebird619 | soap: Ok, thank you. |
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| 01:57:40 | froggyman | where would i find the bitmap images(in the rockbox sources) for the bubbles in bubbles? because i can seem to find them under plugins |
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| 01:59:21 | froggyman | or doesn't it use bitmaps? |
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| 02:00:29 | pixelma | do you mean in the source or on the player? |
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| 02:03:47 | froggyman | in the source, because i am color blind, and wanted to add black dots to a few of them |
| 02:04:19 | froggyman | because i didnt think i could just change it through the compiled build |
| 02:05:28 | tmzt | where is the cross compiler building script/tutorial? I only see links to downloads on CrossCompile |
| 02:06:05 | tmzt | sorry, wrong section of the page |
| 02:06:19 | pixelma | froggyman: it uses bitmaps - they are under apps/plugins/bitmaps/native , there are a few at different sizes (look into the SOURCES file there to find out how they are assigned) |
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| 02:08:02 | pixelma | you can already find out by their name if you know the display size of your target |
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| 02:08:58 | froggyman | pixelma: yeah i saw that they were labeled by screen size,thanks |
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| 02:22:55 | Dekkard | hows the new daily? |
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| 02:25:36 | sansaproblem123 | im having trouble putting music on and off my sansa e250 can anyone help? |
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| 02:27:06 | sansaproblem123 | hello? |
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| 02:28:19 | sansaproblem123 | is there anybody out there? |
| 02:29:00 | froggyman | yep |
| 02:29:20 | sansaproblem123 | haha well thats a start, do you know much about the firmware? |
| 02:30:56 | sansaproblem123 | or is there anybody that does |
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| 02:31:17 | froggyman | what do you need help with? |
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| 02:31:58 | sansaproblem123 | well, when i try to put music straight on my player or pull it off, it wont show up |
| 02:32:31 | froggyman | what file types are they? |
| 02:32:39 | sansaproblem123 | .mp3 |
| 02:32:52 | froggyman | what player do you have |
| 02:33:03 | sansaproblem123 | sansa sandisk e250 |
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| 02:33:41 | tmzt | is this missing sysfont.h message a problem when building for fuze? (current svn) |
| 02:34:07 | froggyman | so it is detected as a drive letter? are you putting them into a hidden folder? |
| 02:34:27 | sansaproblem123 | it keeps hiding it when i eject it, but i keep unhiding it |
| 02:36:05 | sansaproblem123 | like i pulled Echoes - Pink Floyd off, and put Wish you were here and the Wall on there, but it wont show the latter, yet the name for the Echoes file and all the songs still show up on the player |
| 02:37:45 | froggyman | i dont know, try posting your problem in the forums |
| 02:38:13 | sansaproblem123 | haha ok, well thanks for the help anyways, i was kinda hoping a developer or coder or someone would be on but its straight |
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| 02:42:36 | * | Dekkard wonders if it has to do with usb mode... |
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| 03:28:17 | tmzt | does anybody know what the sysfont.h issue is? |
| 03:28:37 | tmzt | /home/tmzt/src/rockbox/firmware/export/font.h:33:21: error: sysfont.h: No such file or directory |
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| 03:29:06 | tmzt | is it a package I should have installed or something in the rockbox svn? |
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| 03:32:05 | imadork | anyone available for a question about a 3rd gen ipod |
| 03:33:13 | froggyman | imadork: its not supported because of encyrptions on the firmware, and for future refrence DONT ASK IF YOU CAN ASK A QUESTION |
| 03:34:30 | imadork | i dont expect offical support im just wondering about m4b playback |
| 03:36:40 | imadork | i have rockbox working good, mp3 playback is fine but when i play a m4b audiobook i get an bookmark empty splash screen and then it locks up |
| 03:36:55 | Unhelpful | froggyman: the 3rd gen *nano* isn't supported... and he clearly doesn't have one of those. |
| 03:37:22 | imadork | wow i didnt know i said 3rg nano, i thought i said 3rd gen |
| 03:37:24 | imadork | ipod |
| 03:37:30 | imadork | o right i didnt |
| 03:37:49 | froggyman | sorry about that, misread what you said |
| 03:38:00 | imadork | no worries sorry i snapped |
| 03:38:11 | imadork | the all caps threw mew |
| 03:38:13 | imadork | me |
| 03:38:57 | Unhelpful | imadork: one of the devs had problems with a m4b file, which i don't think were ever resolved. his was in mp4 format, with apparently AAC audio inside, but just wouldn't play. any idea what your m4b is, exactly? |
| 03:39:36 | imadork | this was a track i got from itunes the was born again |
| 03:39:51 | imadork | itunes store |
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| 03:41:52 | imadork | i used that program that sounds like humming |
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| 03:43:49 | tmzt | Unhelpful: m4b is audio book |
| 03:44:11 | tmzt | it should be unprotected and an mpeg4 container with bookmarks in some format |
| 03:44:31 | Unhelpful | tmzt: and the audio track is aac? |
| 03:44:52 | tmzt | some times iPod users will rename a file (.acc or .m4a) to .m4b to use the bookmark feature on iPod |
| 03:44:55 | tmzt | I think so |
| 03:45:08 | tmzt | .aac I meant |
| 03:45:35 | imadork | this were always m4b but i have changed others to m4a before ans the also play |
| 03:45:51 | tmzt | free downloads from iTunes Store / Audible should be unprotected m4b's |
| 03:46:20 | tmzt | audiobook downloads I mean, if you need one to test |
| 03:46:57 | tmzt | I assume iTunes Plus .m4a's are supposed to play in rockbox, right? but I'm on fuze so that could be the issue |
| 03:47:04 | tmzt | trying to update my installation now |
| 03:48:32 | tmzt | which is where I run into the sysfont.h issue I pasted earlier |
| 03:48:37 | tmzt | Unhelpful: any idea on that? |
| 03:49:35 | imadork | i tried changing the extension to m4a from m4b to see if there was any difference and i still the "Bookmark Empty" and a frozen screen |
| 03:50:07 | tmzt | do you have a program to dump the tags in the ISO file? |
| 03:50:18 | imadork | no i dont |
| 03:51:00 | Unhelpful | i would expect that RB is choking on some weird mp4 atom in the file... or something it *does* know about that's malformed. |
| 03:51:11 | tmzt | that's what I mean, atom |
| 03:51:19 | tmzt | forgot the term they use |
| 03:51:56 | tmzt | should it ignore unknown atoms? |
| 03:52:13 | imadork | these were freed using jhymm so i dont know what atoms get changed |
| 03:52:42 | tmzt | they have to remove somethings so the iPod will accept them, not sure what |
| 03:53:28 | imadork | its not that big of a deal to me since they are audiobook i can convert to mp3 and the loss in quality doesnt matter for spoken word |
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| 03:53:58 | imadork | i just thought id ask. thank you all for the help |
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| 03:55:29 | robin0800_ | imadork: I always burn them to cdr/w and rip to mp3 |
| 03:56:15 | tmzt | he left |
| 03:56:52 | tmzt | Unhelpful: I'm getting a missing firmware message from rockbox bootloader |
| 03:57:38 | Unhelpful | tmzt: which target? |
| 03:57:43 | tmzt | Fuze |
| 03:57:56 | tmzt | Loading firmware |
| 03:57:58 | tmzt | File not found |
| 03:58:25 | Unhelpful | i know nothing of fuze, sorry. |
| 03:58:36 | tmzt | it's a rockbox issue from what I can see |
| 03:58:47 | tmzt | I can't build the bootloader because of missing sysfont.h |
| 03:58:49 | tmzt | on linux |
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| 03:59:05 | tmzt | I deleted .rockbox to replace it with the rockbox.zip |
| 03:59:14 | tmzt | or should I wait for kugel? |
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| 04:11:17 | mindframe- | is there any reason to update the bootloader on my ipod 5.5g if im running rockbox svn? |
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| 04:12:07 | jmillikin | Anybody with an e200 around that could help me figure out why kugel is experiencing problems with the patch in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7287 ? I can't reproduce the issue on an ipod video, or the e200 simulator. |
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| 04:16:44 | muzikluvr | hi! |
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| 04:17:30 | muzikluvr | im having some trouble and found this website can any1 try to help me? |
| 04:19:12 | tmzt | you need to ask your question |
| 04:19:19 | muzikluvr | oh |
| 04:20:15 | muzikluvr | yes I have a sansa e250 and just bought an 8gb micro sd and I am having trouble getting the player to recognize the card is there any way to get it to do so? |
| 04:21:59 | dreamlayers | muzikluvr: Is that in Rockbox or in the Sansa original firmware? |
| 04:22:38 | muzikluvr | sansa origianal...... will rockbox fix this issue? |
| 04:24:29 | dreamlayers | If you have a v1 e250, then the original firmware can't read SDHC cards. Rockbox can read them. |
| 04:24:36 | robin0800_ | muzikluvr: rockbox can see up to a 32gb card |
| 04:25:00 | muzikluvr | wow cool ...... |
| 04:25:45 | robin0800_ | muzikluvr: best to have a card reader though |
| 04:25:50 | muzikluvr | i will try to install it hopefully it isnt too painful |
| 04:26:16 | muzikluvr | not like when i had to find the firmware and reload it yicks |
| 04:27:06 | muzikluvr | i have a card reader, as long as it will play and i can listen to it in the car |
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| 04:32:06 | tmzt | you can even copy files to/from the card with rockbox |
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| 04:33:26 | muzikluvr | hmmm it is telling my "mount point is wrong" |
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| 04:33:34 | muzikluvr | i have it connected |
| 04:37:37 | bubsy | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.675 |
| 04:37:38 | bubsy | cry |
| 04:37:44 | bubsy | we need sound on Zen Vision:M |
| 04:38:20 | kkurbjun | bubsy: sound on the zen vision M is alot close now than when that was written |
| 04:38:40 | muzikluvr | what am I doing wrong? |
| 04:39:55 | tmzt | muzikluvr: what opereating system are you using? |
| 04:40:03 | muzikluvr | windows xp |
| 04:40:14 | muzikluvr | i downloaded the right one |
| 04:40:50 | tmzt | mount point? |
| 04:40:59 | tmzt | can you give the full error? |
| 04:41:44 | kkurbjun | Offahnd I think the zvm uses the TI DM320 which is the same chip that's used in the M:Robe and we have sound working on that player so a good portion of the framework is done to get it going |
| 04:42:17 | robin0800 | muzikluvr: You have the player in MSC usb mode? |
| 04:42:32 | tmzt | sorry I need to go |
| 04:42:42 | tmzt | please don't leave if you still have questions |
| 04:42:43 | muzikluvr | let me check |
| 04:42:54 | muzikluvr | thanks for the help |
| 04:43:01 | muzikluvr | much appreciated tmzt |
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| 04:43:53 | bubsy | so kkurbjun, is the port useable except for the sound? |
| 04:43:58 | bubsy | what doesn't work yet? |
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| 04:44:23 | muzikluvr | oh yes got it! its installing now |
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| 04:44:51 | robin0800 | muzikluvr: What was wrong? |
| 04:45:06 | kkurbjun | bubsy: I can't say for sure on the zvm. I don't have that player, I would imagine that it is fairly functional based on the m:robe, but I am not really sure. |
| 04:45:08 | muzikluvr | the msc mode thing |
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| 04:45:40 | bubsy | I see kkurbjun :) |
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| 04:49:42 | muzikluvr | awwww i wont be able to have themes.... oh well hopefullly the card will work |
| 04:51:16 | robin0800 | muzikluvr: Why no themes? |
| 04:52:00 | muzikluvr | it told me a newer version is going to be released |
| 04:53:58 | robin0800 | muzikluvr: Well you can download them from the new theme site http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=e200 |
| 04:56:09 | muzikluvr | this is friggen sweeet!!!!!!!11 |
| 04:56:41 | bubsy | aaw I want to run rockbox |
| 04:56:45 | bubsy | all I have is this shitty ipod touch |
| 04:56:57 | bubsy | and I like to play modules, ogg, flac etc |
| 04:57:11 | bubsy | it sucks to do it through vlc4iphone :( |
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| 05:33:42 | CIA-43 | dreamlayers r20764 trunk/apps/playback.c: In audio_current_track(), don't overwrite thistrack_id3 when it is being used by the codec. This fixes divide by zero errors when selecting other ... |
| 05:37:03 | * | dreamlayers wonders if he should close the task or leave it open for a few more days in case anyone needs to report a problem. |
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| 05:54:06 | JdGordon | dreamlayers: close it... worst case is it has to be reopened... if you dont close it you run the risk of forgetting about it |
| 05:57:54 | dreamlayers | JdGordon: ok, I just closed it. |
| 05:58:10 | JdGordon | i saw :) |
| 05:58:28 | JdGordon | now to reopen it so it can be closed "3rd time lucky" :D |
| 05:59:07 | dreamlayers | LOL |
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| 06:01:01 | dreamlayers | If anyone has an iHP-120 or H320, I'd like to know if the playback pauses are fixed by r20747, so that FS #10115 can be closed. |
| 06:01:26 | JdGordon | i've got a h320.. ill have a look but i dont think i had the problem before |
| 06:02:04 | JdGordon | mine is cf modded... if that changes anything? |
| 06:02:36 | dreamlayers | Yes, that would fix the problem because CF doesn't need to spin up. |
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| 06:24:18 | CIA-43 | kkurbjun r20765 trunk/apps/plugins/ (31 files): Add initial plugin keymaps for M:robe 500 |
| 06:29:13 | CIA-43 | kkurbjun r20766 trunk/firmware/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add second buffer for YUV blitting, progressbar and FPS display in mpegplayer work correct now. |
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| 06:35:12 | CIA-43 | kkurbjun r20767 trunk/firmware/target/arm/s3c2440/gigabeat-fx/system-meg-fx.c: Gigabeat FX: Small comment format change to MMU setup code |
| 06:36:49 | CIA-43 | kkurbjun r20768 trunk/bootloader/gigabeat.c: Gigabeat FX: Look for button A (rather than any button) in bootloader for verbose mode - needed for flashed bootloader |
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| 06:46:19 | JdGordon | kkurbjun: clearing a bit of a backlog aye? :) |
| 06:46:44 | kkurbjun | :), yeah, I was tired of looking at my mess of a diff everytime I wanted to commit something |
| 06:47:01 | kkurbjun | I still have a few more things I need to get into the main tree |
| 06:47:07 | kkurbjun | like the gigabeat flashwriter |
| 06:47:22 | kkurbjun | that's definitely the majority of my diff |
| 06:48:27 | kkurbjun | time to sleep now though |
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| 07:57:39 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Did you notice the huge ZVM* deltas? |
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| 09:04:07 | MT | linuxstb : Frames are properly constructed now ;) |
| 09:04:19 | linuxstb | MT: \o/ |
| 09:05:03 | linuxstb | MT: How big is a frame? Does this mean you need to copy them in memory before passing to the decoder? |
| 09:05:30 | * | GodEater wonders what time it is where MT is |
| 09:05:47 | MT | the current sample I'm working with (64Kbps) 1 frame = 186bytes |
| 09:06:08 | linuxstb | And these need to be assembled into "packets" ? |
| 09:06:13 | MT | GodEater : it's 9:05 now, I'm awake since 6.30 though :) |
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| 09:06:50 | GodEater | early riser! |
| 09:07:01 | MT | linuxstb : in the encoded file they're packed into packets (each containing 5 frames) |
| 09:08:30 | linuxstb | MT: What needs to be passed to the cook decoder? |
| 09:08:44 | MT | linuxstb : but for decoding, first a scrambling unit must be constructed, which contains sub_packet_h multiple of frames, and then send each frame one by one to the decoder. |
| 09:09:43 | linuxstb | What do you need to do with the frames before sending to the decoder? |
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| 09:09:55 | linuxstb | And do you know if there is a maximum value for sub_packet_h ? |
| 09:11:12 | MT | in the current sample 1 scrambling unit contains 16 frames, so first, 16 frames (sub_packets) are copied from the descriptor according to a crazy formula, then looping through this unit sending a unit of sub_packet_size to the decoder. |
| 09:11:28 | MT | I don't know yet if there's a maximum for sub_packet_h |
| 09:11:50 | MT | in the samples I have the maximum was ~32 |
| 09:12:07 | linuxstb | Is there some kind of (simple, XOR) encryption used? Or am I remembering wrongly? |
| 09:12:13 | GodEater | pixelma: I brought my c240 to work with me - remind me which patch you want testing again ? |
| 09:12:40 | MT | yes there's an XOR encryption, but this is handled by the decoder |
| 09:13:18 | pixelma | GodEater: ah nice :) It's the last one in FS #8824 (keymap changes) |
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| 09:15:02 | MT | The demuxer is finished when it's able to produce proper frames for decoding, which it does now :) .. still needs some cleaning though. |
| 09:15:33 | BigBambi | pixelma: Sorry, I ran out of time last night - I'll try tonight |
| 09:15:42 | tmzt | rm? |
| 09:16:08 | MT | tmzt : (if this is directed to me) yes |
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| 09:17:41 | tmzt | was following before, cool to have that possibly supported |
| 09:40:37 | GodEater | the rockbox site redesign thread has finally reaped a reward. Really liking what macku has come up with! |
| 09:42:03 | ajb | I keep seeing a lot of strncpy's that absolutly fill the destination rather than only copying the length of the string. Is this a deliberate policy? |
| 09:42:15 | ajb | e.g. strncpy(thistrack_id3->path, filename, sizeof(thistrack_id3->path)-1); |
| 09:43:08 | B4gder | ajb: it's a subject of discussion at least |
| 09:43:17 | B4gder | strlcpy vs strncpy for example |
| 09:44:53 | * | GodEater finds no man page for strlcpy |
| 09:45:10 | B4gder | no, it's not in glibc |
| 09:45:24 | B4gder | it's a bit controversial in various camps |
| 09:45:30 | ajb | Is the strlcpy patch likely to go in? For one thing blindly copying sizeof() lengths in the simulator makes Valgrind very noisy |
| 09:45:34 | GodEater | I'm just reading the wiki page on it |
| 09:45:44 | B4gder | ajb: what? |
| 09:45:45 | ajb | I would argue it's also pretty pointless |
| 09:45:54 | B4gder | blindly copying what? |
| 09:46:08 | ajb | B4gder: uninitialised data |
| 09:46:18 | B4gder | ah yes |
| 09:46:26 | B4gder | but why does it do that+ |
| 09:46:27 | B4gder | ? |
| 09:46:34 | B4gder | strncpy only copies the inited data |
| 09:46:35 | Zagor | ajb: how does it do that? strncpy is not memcpy |
| 09:46:38 | B4gder | and then zeropads |
| 09:47:01 | B4gder | its the zeropad that is silly, it doesn't copy more than necessary |
| 09:47:21 | * | ajb looks |
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| 09:48:40 | B4gder | afact, valgrind shouldn't trigger on anything rockbox does |
| 09:48:49 | ajb | B4gder: hmmm, let me look more closely at what Valgrind doesn't like |
| 09:48:59 | B4gder | −−db-attach=yes ;-) |
| 09:49:03 | Zagor | yeah the padding looks a bit unnecessary, but I too don't see why valgrind would object |
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| 09:52:16 | ajb | B4gder: http://pastebin.com/d3cb652f0 for example |
| 09:52:37 | ajb | Although SDL and ld.so are responsioble for a lot of noise at the start |
| 09:53:14 | Bagder | right, you could filter out all the stuff that isn't rockbox |
| 09:53:15 | ajb | Ahh well |
| 09:53:33 | Bagder | but yes, it does seem to point to flaws |
| 09:53:33 | ajb | strncpy trips up Valgrind as it copys in longs |
| 09:53:50 | Bagder | no, that's not the reason |
| 09:54:07 | Bagder | strncpy() works fine |
| 09:54:10 | ajb | while (count >= sizeof (long int) && !DETECTNULL(*aligned_src) |
| 09:55:11 | ajb | So you never see valgrind fingure strncpy on your setup? |
| 09:56:09 | Bagder | if strncpy() would be bad, valgrind would barf on 90% of all the apps out there |
| 09:56:21 | Bagder | and it doesn't |
| 09:57:01 | ajb | line 661 onwards of the dump |
| 09:57:37 | B4gder | yes, that indicates a flaw in the playback code |
| 09:57:45 | Zagor | ajb: are you debugging old code? the line numbers don't match up. |
| 09:58:04 | ajb | svn as of yesterday, I'll update |
| 09:59:46 | Zagor | ok, boris' commit did that |
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| 10:02:38 | ajb | I'm actually trying to track down why RB doesn't like the mp4 tags in a file I have. But the noise got in the way |
| 10:03:50 | Zagor | this is good noise :-) |
| 10:06:21 | Zagor | I don't see how strncpy deals with src len being 3 bytes and count being 4? then line 103 will read a long from src, causing "depends on uninitialised value(s)" |
| 10:06:43 | ajb | http://pastebin.com/d4272b13e |
| 10:06:59 | ajb | With svn 20769 |
| 10:07:12 | Zagor | thanks |
| 10:09:00 | B4gder | −−db-attach=yes is a good idea still, to see exactly what the problem is |
| 10:09:35 | Zagor | yeah, I'd like to see the filename length |
| 10:09:42 | Zagor | and count |
| 10:09:49 | * | ajb is doing it now |
| 10:10:40 | Zagor | B4gder: do you see what I mean? am I overlooking something? |
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| 10:12:22 | B4gder | I agree that 'filename' is a starting point for clues |
| 10:13:08 | ajb | gdb dump so far: http://pastebin.com/d26d30598 |
| 10:13:14 | ajb | it seems filename is very broken |
| 10:13:24 | Zagor | indeed |
| 10:13:50 | ajb | but when I was running with gdb (and no valgrind) it seemed fine. I wonder if it was just lucky |
| 10:14:02 | * | ajb runs with just gdb |
| 10:14:23 | Zagor | afaik valgrind initializes the memory differently, casuing bugs to appear differently |
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| 10:14:43 | B4gder | yeah, and gdb is quite the opposite |
| 10:14:55 | B4gder | I mean, lots of bugs actually no longer happen when you gdb it |
| 10:15:46 | ajb | In my experience with Valgrind it is correct to do so, it's usually right |
| 10:16:01 | ajb | I'll get it the gdb only up and running on the side |
| 10:16:17 | B4gder | valgrind certainly is a rocking tool |
| 10:21:00 | ajb | gdb only, no valgrind and everything seems in order: |
| 10:21:02 | ajb | http://pastebin.com/d34c1bd0e |
| 10:24:17 | Zagor | ajb: try starting the sim with valgrind, then attach gdb to it (using gdb <program> <pid>) |
| 10:24:37 | ajb | Zagor: ok |
| 10:25:13 | Zagor | that should let you debug valgrind-initialized code pre-valgrind warnings |
| 10:25:34 | Zagor | such as the tag reading |
| 10:26:24 | ajb | but of course you can't do that |
| 10:26:31 | Zagor | no? |
| 10:27:16 | ajb | as valgrind doesn't "run" rockbox but is a fancy binary translator. The valgrinded process isn't a normal process |
| 10:27:25 | Zagor | ahh, of course |
| 10:27:37 | ajb | I'll see if I can se db-attch before the bug and go from there |
| 10:27:38 | kugel | "$1 = 0x10090a380 <Address 0x10090a380 out of bounds>", that's an issue I have too sometimes |
| 10:27:56 | kugel | but not in strncpy, but somewhere in the wps code |
| 10:30:25 | kugel | ajb: doesn't that crash in gdb too? |
| 10:30:50 | ajb | kugel: Well the WPS get's corrupted (wierd glyphs) but I assume that's because of bogus id3 strings |
| 10:31:25 | ajb | it would in my build where it not for: |
| 10:32:00 | ajb | http://pastebin.com/d5c0e0c87 |
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| 10:35:47 | kugel | that should probably be part of the if(!str || !str[0]) line anyway (i.e. if(!str || !str[0] || !utf8length(str)) |
| 10:36:28 | ajb | kugel: sure, it's just a quick hack ATM. And it's papering over corruption from somewhere else |
| 10:36:46 | ajb | Although routines should probably be as failsafe as possible |
| 10:37:05 | B4gder | but utf8 can't have zeroes, can it? |
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| 10:37:36 | B4gder | I mean !str[0] should be enough for utf8 too |
| 10:38:52 | ajb | B4gder: the string it was trying to parse is in the pastebin, utf8length gave 0 (bad string?) which originally promptly triggered a div0 |
| 10:43:06 | kugel | looking at utf8length should give a clue |
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| 10:45:48 | ajb | I assumed MASK meant the dud char wasn't counted and then utf8length imeadiatly exited with 0 length. However utf8decode was happy enough to return a width of 1 character |
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| 10:46:26 | ajb | TBH I have no idea how UTF8 is meant to be coded, as I say that patch was just a band aid. The string should have been something more sensible |
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| 10:52:10 | ajb | FWIW the strlcpy patch does remove one element of corruption in the WPS and remove the valgrind warnings in strncpy (obviously) |
| 10:52:37 | B4gder | but the warnings is due to what is passed to strncpy(), not the function itself |
| 10:52:49 | ajb | http://pastebin.com/d7edb5501 |
| 10:52:53 | B4gder | so you should still get the warnings with strlcpy |
| 10:53:45 | ajb | B4gder: Well I don't, who knows why? Maybe an earlier strncpy is responsible for scribling on something? |
| 10:54:20 | B4gder | if so, then it it gets bad input too... |
| 10:54:26 | ajb | If anyone wants to check the file that is triggering all this privmsg me |
| 10:55:41 | ajb | B4gder: Well it only takes one bad sizeof() in a strncpy to scribble a pointer and break it. |
| 10:56:25 | Zagor | ajb: the thing is valgrind is complaining about the source string, not the destination |
| 10:57:40 | Zagor | however I still don't see how strncpy handles short source strings 100% kosher |
| 10:58:01 | ajb | Zagor: sure, but where does that source string come from? Is it a pointer direct in the m4a... |
| 10:58:43 | Zagor | ajb: yes, but the point is that the sizeof has nothing to do with it. the sizeof only concerns the destination string |
| 10:58:48 | ajb | I suggest someone tries playing the file I have and seeing if they can replicate the Valgrind warning on their setup (maybe not a 64bit like mine). |
| 10:59:57 | ajb | Zagor: I mean some other strncpy somewhere. The FS #10080 patch replaces them all. |
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| 11:00:24 | kugel | ajb: long is 8byte on 64bit. strncpy expects 4bit afaik (see DETECTNULL) |
| 11:00:46 | Zagor | kugel: no. #if LONG_MAX == 9223372036854775807L |
| 11:01:20 | kugel | oh |
| 11:01:31 | ajb | ewww |
| 11:02:36 | Zagor | is anyone opposing FS #10080? |
| 11:03:10 | * | kugel is not |
| 11:03:23 | kugel | I'm in the pro-strlcpy-camp |
| 11:04:49 | pixelma | I believe there was some discussion about it here around the day n1s posted it (don't remember details or the outcome) |
| 11:07:44 | ajb | I'm pro it from the point of view of reducing needless copying. The Valgrind result is just an interesting anecdote unless I figure out how it fixed things. |
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| 11:10:24 | Bagder | I am for strlcpy() in general |
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| 11:13:03 | gevaerts | He thought there was a bug in the fat.c one, which wasn't the case |
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| 12:36:28 | _2M1R_ | rockbox supports sensa fuse or no yet? |
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| 14:50:29 | Zagor | ooh! |
| 14:53:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | I wanted to give a little something back. :) |
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| 15:27:10 | kugel | FlynDice: ping |
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| 15:43:14 | apo | Hi |
| 15:43:39 | * | apo just updated his rockbox to the current build (old build was over a year old...), and my wps is suddenly being ignored... any ideas? |
| 15:44:07 | FlynDice | kugel:pong |
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| 15:55:58 | GodEater | apo: go back through the WPS forum and read all the "my WPS is now broken" threads |
| 15:55:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | apo: Old WPS syntax. You'll have to update it. |
| 15:56:07 | GodEater | they'll tell you what changed and what you need to fix |
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| 16:06:35 | kugel | FlynDice: is your patch so slow too? |
| 16:08:23 | FlynDice | kugel: no, my patch isfull speed but playback is not good. I trie your patch with same invalidate_dcache call that makes mine work and yours is still slow but functional |
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| 16:10:28 | FlynDice | well not funtional but playback is off-onn in 1-2 sec increments |
| 16:12:02 | kugel | yep |
| 16:12:09 | kugel | that's what I'm having too |
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| 16:12:36 | FlynDice | kugel: sorry about the red yesterday, thanks for cleaning up my mess.... |
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| 16:13:27 | kugel | FlynDice: no problem |
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| 16:34:22 | apo | GodEater, LambdaCalculus37: Thanks. |
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| 17:10:04 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: ping |
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| 17:25:24 | * | mcuelenaere has |
| 17:25:29 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: do you still have your VX767? |
| 17:25:41 | wpyh | yes, I have it. with me :D |
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| 17:25:49 | wpyh | haven't used it for some time though |
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| 17:27:42 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: do you have a MIPSel compiler at hand? |
| 17:28:00 | * | wpyh already forgot how to load a program onto the vx767... hm... time to look at the sources again |
| 17:28:15 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: yes, I have gcc |
| 17:28:43 | wpyh | I mean, mipsel-elf gcc |
| 17:28:53 | wpyh | (from the rbdev build) |
| 17:29:53 | mcuelenaere | ok, then try compiling usbtool (I updated it) |
| 17:30:04 | mcuelenaere | (you'll need to compile http://repo.or.cz/w/jz_xloader.git for it, see README) |
| 17:31:17 | wpyh | did you just update it? |
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| 17:31:32 | mcuelenaere | no, some time ago |
| 17:31:55 | wpyh | ok |
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| 17:34:13 | mcuelenaere | (I just mentioned it because it doesn't need any of those 1.bin etc files anymore) |
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| 17:41:24 | CIA-43 | mcuelenaere r20770 trunk/utils/jz4740_tools/README: Update jz4740_tools README |
| 17:47:42 | CIA-43 | mcuelenaere r20771 trunk/bootloader/ondavx747.c: Fix VX767 bootloader warning |
| 17:48:21 | * | Unhelpful is a bit confused by our jpeg decoder's search_restart - per spec, a restart marker is FF,D[0..7]. we check for either FF,XX or XX,00 and treat either as a valid restart. |
| 17:49:03 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: well, it shows me a garbled screen as usual, then the screen turns off after a while |
| 17:49:05 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: to load the bootloader to your DAP: usbool 10 bootloader.bin |
| 17:49:20 | mcuelenaere | darn, so the LCD isn't fixed after all.. |
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| 17:49:28 | mcuelenaere | do you have a camera at hand? |
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| 17:49:36 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: uh, I did usbtool 10 rockboot.vx767 :( |
| 17:49:46 | mcuelenaere | that's the same |
| 17:49:58 | mcuelenaere | cp bootloader.bin rockboot.vx767 |
| 17:49:58 | mcuelenaere | gets done in the Makefile |
| 17:50:06 | wpyh | ah, ok |
| 17:50:24 | wpyh | yes, I have a camera phone |
| 17:50:40 | mcuelenaere | could you take a picture of the LCD? |
| 17:51:47 | * | mcuelenaere wonders where he got the VX767 LCD init routines.. |
| 17:51:51 | archivator | I am experiencing really weird behavior with FS #10065 - once the disk is spun down, playback experiences freezes every 3-5 seconds. I couldn't get it to freeze with the disk spinning .. |
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| 17:55:37 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: please wait, I'm trying to take a good picture |
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| 18:13:02 | CIA-43 | dreamlayers r20772 trunk/tools/configure: FS #9973 by Yoshihisa Uchida: Fix simulator build failure when using advanced configure options on targets which build RomBox (Archos Player, Ondio SP) |
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| 18:16:20 | dionoea | Hum ... #rockbox has commit messages now? |
| 18:18:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yep. |
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| 18:21:24 | dionoea | In case anybody cares, the CIA bot can be configured to use nice colors (makes the different items in the notification stand out) |
| 18:22:23 | agaffney | indeed...one of the few places where I actually approve of color usage on IRC :P |
| 18:22:45 | dionoea | same here :) |
| 18:27:38 | pixelma | someone turned that off |
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| 18:45:36 | scorche | so who controls the bot then? |
| 18:45:57 | mcuelenaere | scorche: the 'community' |
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| 18:48:14 | scorche | ok, who has a log in for the bot? ;) |
| 18:48:50 | mcuelenaere | scorche: I do, but anyone can access it |
| 18:49:01 | mcuelenaere | just create a CIA.vc account |
| 18:49:49 | agaffney | you don't even need an account |
| 18:49:51 | agaffney | http://cia.vc/stats/project/rockbox |
| 18:50:23 | gevaerts | agaffney: you do if you want to edit bot settings |
| 18:50:37 | scorche | agaffney: and how is one supposed to control the bot without a log in from that page? |
| 18:50:42 | agaffney | ah, I misread |
| 18:50:51 | agaffney | I misread "log in" for "log" |
| 18:50:58 | agaffney | I thought someone just wanted to see the commit history :P |
| 18:51:31 | gevaerts | we have tools for that :) |
| 18:51:53 | * | mcuelenaere wonders why the Rockbox CIA.vc svn-connection is disabled |
| 18:52:32 | mcuelenaere | ah, rasher disabled it |
| 18:52:55 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: duplicates I guess |
| 18:54:29 | scorche | mcuelenaere: i assume it is so it stops polling SVN for updates and just relies on the much faster svn hook |
| 18:54:55 | * | mcuelenaere didn't know of the SVN hook |
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| 19:01:42 | scorche | would anyone mind if i added some color/formatting into the string to make things easier to read then? |
| 19:02:03 | * | mcuelenaere wouldn't object |
| 19:02:24 | * | scorche already changed the formatting a slight bit |
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| 19:02:51 | * | amiconn disagrees about the niceness of colours in irc |
| 19:02:52 | gevaerts | Go ahead. That will also make it easier to identify them on sight, and therefore easier to ignore if you're involved in a discussion |
| 19:03:23 | mcuelenaere | scorche: the changes you just made: wouldn't that make the text longer? (it seems to get cut off already) |
| 19:04:00 | scorche | mcuelenaere: i would imagine it would be mainly the files portion that would get cut off typically...which i would be fine with |
| 19:04:17 | scorche | in fact, i would be fine with leaving them out of the message too, but... |
| 19:04:30 | mcuelenaere | there seems to be a widthLimit tag |
| 19:04:41 | rasher | scorche: I am in favour of colours (for messages like this) |
| 19:04:44 | mcuelenaere | oh, I misread your message |
| 19:05:35 | mcuelenaere | yes, the files portion should probably be left out |
| 19:05:48 | mcuelenaere | (and perhaps the widthLimit should get removed?) |
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| 19:06:47 | scorche | eh...we can change that later |
| 19:09:31 | Mode | "#rockbox -c " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 19:12:11 | BigBambi | scorche: yes to colours :) |
| 19:12:32 | scorche | i added some basic formatting...we can change it if it doesnt sit well |
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| 19:14:04 | pixelma | I also liked the colours more for the CIA bot, makes it easier to recognise in the usual chat lines (also one of the rare cases if not the only one I prefer that) |
| 19:14:17 | kugel | interesting, this new sorting tag version |
| 19:14:50 | * | BigBambi supposes that he ought to go and find his c200 :) |
| 19:15:25 | kugel | BigBambi: why? |
| 19:15:54 | pixelma | well, he said he would test something.... |
| 19:16:57 | kugel | ah, 10h ago :) |
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| 19:17:23 | kugel | BigBambi still needs a rockbox icon in the logs! |
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| 19:23:28 | BigBambi | kugel: heh, yeah - I never look at the logs on the site so didn't notice :) |
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| 19:27:55 | * | pixelma looks at the logs sometimes but wouldn't notice the icons |
| 19:28:09 | pixelma | because of reading the raw logs |
| 19:30:06 | kugel | raw logs are for machines :p |
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| 19:35:36 | scorche | raw logs are the same way we read them... |
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| 19:48:46 | jaykay | would it be possible with the hid-driver to use some players as a microphone? |
| 19:49:15 | gevaerts | no |
| 19:49:49 | jaykay | is this possible at all? |
| 19:49:59 | gevaerts | yes, with an audio driver... |
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| 19:53:32 | jaykay | so the hid only makes it possible to send events to e.g. windows? |
| 19:53:59 | rasher | It makes it possible to act like a HID |
| 19:54:27 | jaykay | what really? |
| 19:54:29 | jaykay | wow |
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| 19:55:50 | rasher | jaykay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_interface_device |
| 19:56:44 | wodz | hello, what is the meaning of pea ($1D).w in m68k assembly? Does it mean push word from address 0x1D on stack? |
| 19:57:06 | jaykay | gevaerts: wouldn't the audio driver be a good project for gsoc? |
| 19:57:30 | BigBambi | jaykay: there are many classes that would be good |
| 19:57:55 | BigBambi | jaykay: HID has the advantage for instance of being able to be used to allow charging on Windows |
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| 19:59:00 | jaykay | i think i got that wrong... charging is possible on windows |
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| 20:00:29 | gevaerts | jaykay: not without an MSC connection |
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| 20:01:38 | bertrik | have we actually seen a machine that refused to charge a dap without a proper USB driver? |
| 20:02:02 | jaykay | gevaerts: and he disadvantage of this is that rockbox is unable to do something else |
| 20:02:04 | jaykay | right? |
| 20:02:15 | gevaerts | bertrik: it doesn't finish enumerating, so you don't get the 500mA allowance |
| 20:02:28 | gevaerts | jaykay: that's the main reason, yes |
| 20:03:29 | evilnick_7 | gevaerts: What do you get if not 500mA? |
| 20:03:43 | bertrik | gevaerts, I mean has that really proved to be a problem in practice? |
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| 20:04:07 | gevaerts | bertrik: yes, if we follow the rules |
| 20:04:08 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: so how do USB chargers work? do they just give out 500mA without confirming the DAP? |
| 20:04:39 | jaykay | er... if i hold select on my e200 and connect it to the computer, windows asks me to install drivers for "rockbox media player" with admin rights, but rockbox continues as normal and shows the charging icon |
| 20:04:42 | bertrik | gevaerts, I take that as a no |
| 20:04:48 | jaykay | does it charge then? |
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| 20:05:27 | rasher | jaykay: It does, but not at 500mA |
| 20:05:42 | gevaerts | jaykay: maybe. It should not use more than 100mA then. I'm not sure if this is implemented properly on e200 yet though |
| 20:06:18 | jaykay | ok, thanks |
| 20:06:47 | jaykay | BigBambi: which other classes would be possible/useful? |
| 20:07:10 | * | gevaerts wonders if jaykay has looked at this year's gsoc page on the wiki yet |
| 20:07:16 | gevaerts | bertrik: it' |
| 20:07:49 | gevaerts | bertrik: it's not a problem if we ignore all rules, but then we don't get to feel smug for being better than the OF :) |
| 20:08:14 | archivator | By the way, nothing is stopping us from implementing MTP on all targets with the rockbox usb stack, right? |
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| 20:08:41 | BigBambi | bertrik: The beast won't charge on Windows as it currently is |
| 20:09:07 | jaykay | gevaerts: Thanks, i really didn't read it |
| 20:09:11 | bertrik | gevaerts, ah ok that was the reason I was looking for :) |
| 20:09:34 | gevaerts | jaykay: it answers a lot of your questions :) |
| 20:09:41 | BigBambi | jaykay: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode2009#USB |
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| 20:09:57 | jaykay | BigBambi: i'm reading that right now |
| 20:10:09 | bertrik | BigBambi, and the reason for not charging is in USB you think? |
| 20:10:22 | BigBambi | bertrik: Yeah, as gevaerts said |
| 20:10:35 | jaykay | "HID requires interrupt transactions" |
| 20:10:36 | BigBambi | bertrik: It charges if you connect with MSC |
| 20:10:38 | jaykay | what are interrupt transactions? |
| 20:10:56 | BigBambi | bertrik: just not if you do the charging only connection |
| 20:10:58 | gevaerts | bertrik: yes. The beast code limits current to 100mA if there is a real USB bus, and there's no full enumeration |
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| 20:11:28 | bluebrother | is svn.rockbox.org down? |
| 20:11:42 | bertrik | wow. Is that the beast OF or does the beast rockbox do that? |
| 20:11:55 | gevaerts | bertrik: rockbox |
| 20:12:47 | gevaerts | bluebrother: I can't reach it |
| 20:13:04 | bertrik | so it's a self-imposed limitation |
| 20:13:44 | gevaerts | depends on how you look at it |
| 20:15:46 | evilnick_6 | Which explains why the beast will run out of power if you use it as a USB drive without AC power too. |
| 20:16:21 | gevaerts | no. It should use 500mA then |
| 20:16:43 | tomers | Will anyone take a quick look and tell me if it is going to be committed? (FS #10125 - Make the iPod bootloader screen more appealing) If no, let's close this one |
| 20:17:03 | rasher | I think it should |
| 20:18:44 | evilnick_6 | I've tried leaving my beast connected to Windows (scandisk-ing) and it powers down eventually, so does that indicate 500mA or 100 or inconclusive? |
| 20:19:20 | gevaerts | it does indicate *something*. I'm not sure what |
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| 20:59:15 | Prism | I just installed rockbox and now the computer doesn't recognize the c250. The c250 and rockbox works fine otherwise. I have been trying to find more info online but I am not really sure of what I am doing to fix it. Does anyone have any advice? |
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| 21:01:42 | gevaerts | Prism: yes, give us more information :) |
| 21:01:58 | Prism | I wonder if I am lagging. |
| 21:02:04 | linuxstb | tomers_: I don't see anything wrong with the current ipod bootloader text - that's the order I've always seen the button combinations written (naming the top one first for each pair). |
| 21:02:26 | linuxstb | The real problem is that people don't appear to understand it, and come here quoting that text, asking what to do... |
| 21:03:51 | Prism | When I plug it in, It doesn't show up. I followed the directions for intallation. rockbox booted. I plugged it in the usb icon popped up, but I don't see it on my computer |
| 21:04:04 | gevaerts | what OS are you using? |
| 21:04:08 | domonoky | Prism: which version did you install ? release or latest build ? |
| 21:04:28 | rasher | linuxstb: it looks horrible |
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| 21:07:47 | linuxstb | rasher: I've never thought that. And I haven't seen anyone else comment on it in the last 3 or 4 years... |
| 21:08:00 | Prism | I installed the release |
| 21:08:40 | rasher | linuxstb: people don't generally complain about stuff like that, but making it less silly-looking will still be better |
| 21:08:45 | linuxstb | And it's the common way to write the combos, so can't see a reason to change it. |
| 21:09:16 | evilnick_6 | Prism: It should reboot to the OF on USB insert then |
| 21:09:18 | gevaerts | Prism: what happens if you unplug the c250 again? |
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| 21:09:31 | linuxstb | rasher: What makes it silly? It's just words... |
| 21:09:34 | rasher | The reason being that MENU+SELECT right above SELECT+PLAY looks stupid |
| 21:09:59 | linuxstb | Why is it stupid? It's the physical locations of the buttons - top first, then the one underneath. |
| 21:10:09 | * | linuxstb _really_ doesn't understand what's wrong... |
| 21:10:25 | gevaerts | linuxstb: you're not poetic enough :) |
| 21:10:49 | rasher | It looks very displeasing. Do you generally "read" button combos like that and expect the order to be top-to-bottom? |
| 21:10:57 | rasher | I've never *ever* heard of such a thing |
| 21:11:05 | Prism | HA! I ask for help then it works. -_- just my luck. |
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| 21:11:36 | gevaerts | Prism: what OS are you using on the computer? |
| 21:11:36 | linuxstb | I've _always_ seen the reset combo written "menu and select", and _always_ seen the disk mode combo as "select and play". |
| 21:11:53 | rasher | So we can never change. |
| 21:12:15 | linuxstb | Why change a convention? |
| 21:12:45 | * | linuxstb stops this argument now - if lots of people want to change, then go ahead... |
| 21:13:16 | rasher | I don't see how the order matters |
| 21:13:32 | rasher | In which meaning it conveys, that is |
| 21:14:08 | Prism | I am using windows vista |
| 21:15:02 | gevaerts | ok. Maybe your cable wasn't connected perfectly? |
| 21:15:22 | gevaerts | I don't see many other possible causes |
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| 21:18:00 | * | bluebrother is with linuxstb on the order issue |
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| 21:19:35 | Prism | That could be it |
| 21:21:58 | tomers_ | gevaerts: I enable USB_HID through the command in debug menu. I need to re-enable it before each attach. How do I set it to be enabled by default (like mass storage works)? |
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| 21:32:53 | pixelma | thanks for trying out and the comment BigBambi :) Do you have an opinion about "long Right" versus "VolUp" for resume (if you tried the first patch maybe)? |
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| 21:35:47 | BigBambi | pixelma: I don't really mind - I think because it is such a long time since I tried the first one that I wasn't "used" to either, and both are as good/bad as each other |
| 21:36:13 | BigBambi | I think if anything I prefer long right, but it is very marginal |
| 21:36:29 | pixelma | ok, thanks again |
| 21:36:58 | BigBambi | no problem, I'd very much like to see this go in |
| 21:45:04 | gevaerts | tomers_: have a look at usb.c, look for the usb_core_enable_driver(USB_DRIVER_MASS_STORAGE, true); line |
| 21:45:33 | pixelma | BigBambi: I should leave the WPS context menu one for Llorean ;) |
| 21:45:58 | BigBambi | Going to long select? |
| 21:46:11 | pixelma | yes |
| 21:46:12 | BigBambi | I'll do it if you want, I've been advocating it for a long time :) |
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| 21:48:46 | Prism | I figured out what I did. I think I installed rockbox onto the micro sd card. It boots up normally without the card, but when I install the card into the c250. rockbox starts up normally |
| 21:50:30 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK CIA-43 |
| 21:50:30 | CIA-43 | New commit by bluebrother for r20773: Invalidate preview image cache when updating to prevent a resize event repainting the old image before the new image is downloaded. |
| 21:51:01 | Prism | I am not sure if it's suppose to work that way, but I guess it's all good. I just have to remember to remove the card when I want to load music. |
| 21:51:15 | evilnick_6 | Prism: Hmmm, I wasn't aware that rockbox would look on the micro sd card for the files it needs to boot |
| 21:52:10 | rasher | scorche: can we get the "r" as part of the same text as the revision number? Also "for r20773" sounds weird |
| 21:52:23 | gevaerts | Prism: is that a sdhc card (i.e. more than 2GB)? |
| 21:52:57 | scorche | rasher: "for rXXXXX" sounded fine to me...what would you suggest? |
| 21:53:10 | rasher | scorche: (rXXXX) |
| 21:53:12 | evilnick_6 | gevaerts: Would the bootloader also check the sd card on the c200 series? |
| 21:53:24 | evilnick_6 | ^ for .rockbox I meant |
| 21:53:25 | scorche | and you mean you want the r bolded too?...i figured that the number was the important bit, so didnt bold that |
| 21:53:45 | Prism | Yes it is |
| 21:53:47 | rasher | Well it messes with my script that linkifies revision numbers :( |
| 21:54:03 | rasher | It's barely visible anyway |
| 21:54:06 | BigBambi | "for rxxxx" does sound slightly odd to me |
| 21:54:36 | gevaerts | Prism: at least on e200 the OF doesn't boot at all with sdhc cards. I'm not sure about the c200 |
| 21:54:49 | moos | "as rXXXXX" maybe? |
| 21:55:07 | BigBambi | just "(rXXXX) would be best IMO |
| 21:55:15 | scorche | yeah...i changed that |
| 21:55:42 | BigBambi | coolio |
| 21:56:07 | evilnick_6 | gevaerts: Doesn't boot, or doesn't show the SD card? |
| 21:56:11 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:56:11 | * | scorche makes r bolded too.../shrug |
| 21:56:14 | jaykay | the CIA-bot produces some "unknown-symbol"-symbols in the logs |
| 21:56:20 | gevaerts | evilnick_6: in my case, doesn't boot |
| 21:56:29 | Prism | ok that is good to know. |
| 21:57:04 | gevaerts | Also, the bootloader never loads rockbox from the sd card, so I'm pretty sure that this sdhc thing is your issue |
| 21:57:11 | scorche | jaykay: those are formatting, yeah...easily ignored though in the logs... |
| 21:57:31 | evilnick_6 | gevaerts: Mine boots no problem with an 8GB sdhc card (280 v1) |
| 21:57:56 | gevaerts | maybe it depends on the version? |
| 21:58:22 | Prism | wait let me test it to make sure I understand what is going on. right now. with the card not in the mp3 player it boots and my computer sees the mp3 player |
| 21:59:01 | GodEater | my c200 refuses to boot with an sdhc card in it too |
| 21:59:02 | * | scorche wonders how it might look with the entire text (except the name) being green |
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| 21:59:41 | Prism | ok now with the card in the mp3 player it doesn't show up on my computer |
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| 22:02:08 | Prism | meh. I am just happy it works now. |
| 22:02:50 | gevaerts | that's always the most important thing :) |
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| 22:06:31 | froggyman | With Winamp, it keeps detecting my iPod as a well.... iPod, but i dont want this because then it uses the iTunes DB format, I am in rockboxes USB mode, and just want it to be detected as a Mass storage device |
| 22:06:47 | froggyman | sorry if this is the wrong place, but it does deal with rockbox |
| 22:07:10 | scorche | froggyman: no, it deals with winamp...go ask them how to change it... |
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| 22:08:02 | gevaerts | tomers: did you get my PM? |
| 22:08:04 | evilnick_6 | froggyman: There may be an option within Winamp to treat the iPod as a UMS hard drive |
| 22:08:44 | froggyman | evilnick_6: do you know where that might be or have a suggestion for a different program? |
| 22:10:19 | bluebrother | don't use winamp :) |
| 22:11:29 | * | evilnick_6 echoes bluebrother |
| 22:12:32 | froggyman | ok, then may you suggest a program that i do use? |
| 22:12:37 | evilnick_6 | froggyman: I'm pretty sure that this is possible within MediaMonkey, I use foobar2000 personally though, and use Windows Explorer to move files back and forward |
| 22:15:26 | froggyman | i'll give media monkey a try; it would nice to see rockbox comeout with its own media manager... but that would take a lot of work to get it going, |
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| 22:16:28 | bluebrother | there's no point in a media manager for Rockbox. There are several other programs doing it better (plus, you have the choice to use the one you like best) |
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| 22:26:05 | kugel | rasher: you were interested in the sorting tag patch? |
| 22:26:44 | kugel | it seems a guy managed to do it properly without much ram cost. I fixed the memory allocation a bit. in case you're still interested |
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| 22:37:29 | * | Unhelpful wonders what exactly was done... have an index file containing "artist" strings but sorted by "sortartist"? |
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| 23:13:23 | kugel | Unhelpful: ye |
| 23:15:23 | kugel | what I didn't know: the tags are apparently sorted at initializing time (not at browsing time). That's why it would be too wasteful to just touch the compare function. But this guy just did it, and it turned out they're not sorted at browsing time |
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| 23:16:08 | Unhelpful | kugel: i'm confused, then... is artist *always* sorted by artistsort? |
| 23:16:47 | kugel | yes |
| 23:16:47 | FlynDice | kugel: I got your mmu patch going high speed... I'll upload a patch to FS #10048 shortly |
| 23:17:02 | kugel | FlynDice: high speed as in? |
| 23:17:21 | kugel | let's say high speed for "36mhz for mp3", and what we have now is full speed, ok? |
| 23:18:01 | FlynDice | I mean I used your patch and the ui is not running sluggishly is all |
| 23:18:09 | kugel | Unhelpful: but artistsort == artist if the tag isn't filled. if the tag is filled, it's likely wanted behavior |
| 23:18:33 | kugel | FlynDice: so svn speed? that would already be an improvement I gess |
| 23:18:57 | kugel | if we reach svn speed at least, we can commit it, just to get rid of long calls. |
| 23:19:23 | FlynDice | other problems, microsd won't work but he responsivenes is there at least. |
| 23:19:32 | kugel | uhh |
| 23:20:25 | Unhelpful | kugel: nice... so it populates the artistsort index during build, and the artist index is sorted by artistsort? and same for album/albumartist? also, did you track down your data abort? |
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| 23:21:35 | kugel | Unhelpful: I think I did, yes. I prevented the sorting tag index files from loading into ram which makes the data abort issue not appear anyway. |
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| 23:22:37 | Unhelpful | why would the sort tag index ever load on a query? |
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| 23:23:14 | kugel | Unhelpful: I'm fairly sure it was a buffer overflow. It tried to alloc 270k, while the max needed ram has only been 230k |
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| 23:24:26 | kugel | it was in ram, because it was added as normal tag (just C&P from my previous patches, which didn't work like the one now). Now, they don't need to be populated at all, except at initialization and updating, that's why I prevented them from being in ram |
| 23:25:31 | Unhelpful | it looks like we also follow the Picard convention for TXXX:ALBUMARTISTSORT? |
| 23:25:44 | kugel | FlynDice: unfortunately, I cannot resolve the microsd issue, I only have a half-working clip at the moment |
| 23:26:09 | kugel | Unhelpful: not sure how we use TXXX |
| 23:26:46 | Unhelpful | it looks like we add a test for ALBUMARTISTSORT for mp3 metadata, so i guess it's good. |
| 23:27:33 | kugel | Unhelpful: custom tags are used for id3v2.3 and earlier, TXXX doesn't seem to be touched by this patch though |
| 23:27:59 | kugel | however, the patch looks like it looks for ALBUMARTISTSORT |
| 23:28:16 | Unhelpful | XSOA/XSOP/XSOT - are these IDv2.3 extension tags? the only X* tags i know is XRVA, which is the same format as RVA2, but apparently the tag you "should" use for volume adjustment, which wasn't in id3v2.3 |
| 23:28:53 | FlynDice | kugel: I 've got a little more time to play with it so lets see where I can get... |
| 23:29:04 | kugel | Unhelpful: yes, they are custom |
| 23:29:33 | kugel | I actually don't know how this custom/extension tags in id3 work :( |
| 23:30:00 | Unhelpful | kugel: easy, you make up a format, assign it a key, and pray. :) |
| 23:30:02 | kugel | I use id3v2.4 and TSO* works |
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| 23:41:36 | MT | I added a link to my project's page here : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode2009 . I want to change the page's parent to SummerOfCode2009, but can't. |
| 23:42:13 | * | MT is fairly new to twiki so it might be something stupid :/ |
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| 23:43:11 | kugel | MT: I think only the swedes can do this |
| 23:43:50 | kugel | (the swedes: Bagder, Zagor and LinusN) |
| 23:45:15 | MT | kugel : Then it's fine the way it is right now ? i.e, I just have to worry about editing the project's page later ? |
| 23:45:35 | Bagder | i fixed it now |
| 23:45:51 | MT | Bagder : thanks :) |
| 23:46:49 | MT | any comments on the page by the way ? |
| 23:47:06 | Bagder | seems like a perfect start! |
| 23:47:54 | kugel | almost :) |
| 23:48:44 | kugel | some terms are missinterpreted as wiki-words, but that's not much of a problem (fixable by prepending ! on those words) |
| 23:48:45 | MT | Bagder : Thanks ! didn't expect that :) |
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| 23:49:15 | MT | kugel : ah about the wiki words, some of them are intended there |
| 23:49:34 | CIA-43 | New commit by dreamlayers (r20774): FS #10129 - Start LCD sleep timer after PWM fadeout is complete |
| 23:49:39 | kugel | EUUWWW |
| 23:49:59 | MT | like CookCodec, I intend to write a page later about the codec |
| 23:50:15 | MT | AV* are to be fixed though, thanks for pointing out that |
| 23:50:48 | linuxstb | MT: Perhaps just create empty pages for now - it makes the page look untidy ;) |
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| 23:52:03 | pixelma | that yellow name of the committer is impossible to read (not everyone uses a black background...) |
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| 23:52:20 | Bagder | I have a white bg and I can read it! |
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| 23:52:45 | pixelma | I can too but it's really really hard |
| 23:52:49 | Bagder | the problem with colors on irc... |
| 23:52:57 | * | linuxstb doesn't like the colours at all - it's too dependent on the user's own preferences... Couldn't it simply be made bold, if it needs highlighting at all? |
| 23:53:03 | MT | linuxstb : okay, but will do it probably on thursday ? :) (dead tired now) |
| 23:53:12 | dreamlayers | I have a light blue background and I can read it. It's just not as easy to read as it should be, IMHO. |
| 23:53:14 | * | MT agrees with pixelma |
| 23:53:15 | Bagder | I dislike colors in irc as well |
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| 23:53:30 | evilnick_7 | It's green using Mibbit, so shows up fine on the white background |
| 23:53:43 | rasher | This is why you also set a background colour. |
| 23:53:59 | Bagder | but I figure most clients can actually change the colors |
| 23:54:10 | Bagder | at least non-text ones |
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| 23:54:50 | pixelma | yeah, maybe boldening might be enough (maybe only the beginning) |
| 23:55:04 | rasher | kugel: mostly intererested in the sense that I think it should be done in some way |
| 23:55:31 | pixelma | lots of maybes... |
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| 23:56:14 | Bagder | I like the speed of the CIA bot at least, I mean it's always here before the mail appears |
| 23:57:20 | rasher | It's often here before svn commit returns.. |
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