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#rockbox log for 2009-04-25

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00:35:29Traveler1my plugin is able to read through a file, and is supposed to return the plugin when the nextline returns -1, but just hangs after the last line
00:35:34***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:36:14motionman95Could someone help me with the flyspray? I sign up, but I never get the email. :(
00:37:02linuxstbThe people that can help (Bagder, LinusN, Zagor) aren't around.
00:37:29motionman95With my problem or his?
00:37:40linuxstbmotionman95: Yours.
00:38:09 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.")
00:39:00motionman95So your saying that even tough it says Badger is online, he's not? How can you tell?
00:39:40JdGordon|his a is a 4 when he's here
00:40:13robin0800motionman95: Because he's greyed out on my irc client
00:40:13froggymanplus do you think that there is actually 143 people on right now?
00:40:23motionman95Well, no...
00:40:29JdGordon|motionman95: it might just be stuck in the email servers backlog... how long ago should you have got the reply?
00:40:55motionman95A few weeks...
00:41:01JdGordon|thats fucked then :D
00:41:07JdGordon|register again...
00:41:35motionman95Trying now...
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00:45:29Traveler1so what about my hanging fileread? any solutions aside from adding a file end line?
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00:45:53linuxstbTraveler1: It's hard to say what's wrong without seeing your code.
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00:47:58Traveler1well essentially it is while(nextline() >-1){pring line} return plugin
00:48:45Traveler1of course the method name is different and parameters are entered into the nextline method
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00:50:51JdGordon|is that the correct return value check?
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00:51:42Traveler1I was told that it returns -1 if there is no next line, but I'm unaware of where rockbox's plugin api is
00:52:22JdGordon|do a search for it and see how other plugins do it
00:53:45motionman95i mean where's the documentation for nextline()
00:54:06JdGordon|documentation?? apps/sources/misc.c
00:54:17JdGordon|the source is its own docs :D
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00:56:27*linuxstb didn't know we had a function called "nextline()"
00:57:07motionman95then what is traveler1 talking about?
00:57:57Traveler1so if the next line is too big next_line returns 0, and if it is beyond the size it returns -1?
00:58:52JdGordon|you might prefer to use read_line_fast() (i tinhk thats what its called)
00:59:21motionman95that's not funny
01:00:19*JdGordon| dodges the tomatoes?
01:01:03Traveler1I may try read_line_fast(), but both should return an int greater than 0 if there is another line, right?
01:01:08saratogayeah i don't think we have a nextline()
01:01:57Traveler1no, but there is a read_line()
01:02:26linuxstbSo? You've been talking about problems with "nextline()" and "next_line"
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01:03:57Traveler1alright, so I made a mistake, either way, read_line() and read_line_fast() returns an integer above 0, correct?
01:04:32JdGordon|you tell me... apps/misc.c
01:04:52JdGordon|or search for its current sues
01:05:22*JdGordon| sees he gave the wrong location before and appologises
01:05:48motionman95How do you do that????
01:06:02linuxstb"grep" ?
01:06:08linuxstbOr any file search tool
01:06:49motionman95motionman95 tries to do what JdGordan did
01:07:13*JdGordon| teaches motionman95 the wonders of the /me command
01:07:21*motionman95 rocks!
01:07:38*JdGordon| scissors
01:07:40*motionman95 thanks jdgordan 4++
01:07:52JdGordon|i guess tab is the next lesson then?
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01:08:43motionman95JdGordon|: THanks!
01:09:46Traveler1yea, thanks jdGordon, I'll try the read_line_fast() and quadrouple check if there are any errors in my code
01:10:21motionman95@jdgordon: Well, I signed up to the flyspray and still haven't gotten my email. :(
01:12:01Bensawsomedang i dont think my e200r is loading the bootloader :(
01:12:09Bensawsomeit keeps booting to the OF
01:12:18Bensawsomewhen i plug it in when off that is
01:12:33Traveler1into a pc usb?
01:12:39motionman95Also, is someone willing to colab with me on a WPS? I suck a WPS making. Here's what I have in mind:
01:12:55Bensawsomenice theme motionman95
01:13:10Bensawsomeor atleast what i can see xP
01:13:28JdGordon|motionman95: if you're artsy... there is a thread in the wps forum for help with some icons if you want to help out...
01:13:35Traveler1usb isn't supported on e200r, so it'll automatically go to of to communicate with the pc
01:13:56motionman95jdgordon why not?
01:14:04BensawsomeTraveler1 unless you boot into the rockbox firmware first
01:14:10Bensawsomethen it uses rockbox for the usb :D
01:14:20Bensawsomei guess ill have to wait for the bootloader :/
01:14:26saratogaUSB is supported on the e200r if you use a recent build
01:14:27BigBambion a current build it does, not the release
01:14:38Traveler1hmmm, in all my experience even in rockbox it reboots when plugged into a pc
01:14:38*JdGordon| reminds motionman95 hat inflection and sarcasm DONT WORK in irc...
01:14:58BigBambiand what version are you using?
01:15:02saratogawell you're wrong or not running a current build
01:15:05Bensawsomewell the e200r firmware now has usb support
01:15:06saratogafigure out which and then come back
01:15:11Traveler1an older one apparently :D
01:15:30*motionman95 wonders what the heck jdgordon is talking about =?
01:15:35Bensawsomethe bootloader is older, the firmware version is the current biuld
01:15:45Bensawsomei first added rockbox a few years ago
01:16:02saratogathen you're wrong I guess
01:16:07JdGordon|you probably need a new bootloader, which im not sure has been done to support usb
01:16:16BigBambiNot from within Rockbox
01:16:22motionman95I signed up to the flyspray and still haven't gotten my email...any tips? Or should I wait?
01:16:29BigBambiThere are new bootloaders on flyspray that donj't boot the OF
01:16:29Bensawsomelook at usb :P
01:16:45saratogafeel free to fix the wiki
01:16:47BigBambiBut a current build will use Rockbox USB regardless of the bootloader
01:16:50BensawsomejdGordon i knw i need a new one.... im trying to reflash it.....
01:17:00Lloreanmotionman95: You've been told who could help you already.
01:17:04LloreanYou don't need to keep repeating the question.
01:17:10BigBambiThe new bootloader is only needed for when you turn on with USB attached
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01:17:42BigBambimotionman95: It is 01:20 in Europe, the people that can help you are likely asleep
01:17:47*motionman95 sucks wound. Okay, Llorean.
01:17:59BigBambiAs should I be
01:18:18motionman95Well, I live in the US.
01:18:27JdGordon|that explains alot
01:18:32Bensawsomewell all i know is that when i plug it in with rockbox booted it uses the rockbox firmware and there is a pic of a usb cable on it and i see the drive on my computer.... and it does not boot into the OF
01:18:39BigBambiI'm *trying* to explain to you why the people you need are not here
01:19:00saratogaBensawsome: ok?
01:19:06BigBambimotionman95: You being in the US doesn't make it not be the middle of the night here, or the people that live here not asleep
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01:19:49motionman95I understand completely what you were trying to do. I was just mentioning that I lived in the US, which is why I didn't know they were asleep. :(
01:19:50BigBambiBensawsome: good
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01:20:13Traveler1oh cool, I can actually access my microsd that's over 2 gigs while its in the sansa now :-D updating is awesome
01:20:50LloreanTraveler1: Generally, you shouldn't give advice about what features work without being up to date.
01:21:25Bensawsomeyes but when i plug it into my computer with the mp3 player completely off it boots into the OF and i see the drive. evilnick pointed me out an updated bootloader which fixes it. but im saying i cant get it to use the new one...
01:21:43saratogayes I know you told us like 3 or 4 times
01:22:24Bensawsomeok and dont i have to be in recovery mode or something to get it to flash the m14 files?
01:22:30Bensawsomeerr mi4
01:22:55Bensawsomei havent done this in 3 years so... i forgot how i did it :/
01:22:56LloreanBensawsome: Did you use the one in the .zip, or did you scroll down and actually download the one for the e200R?
01:23:08*motionman95 says bye!
01:23:09BensawsomeLlorean scrolled down ;)
01:23:15LloreanAnd there's still documentation for installing the bootloader on the wiki
01:23:29*motionman95 exits the IRC
01:23:30BensawsomeLlorean here right?
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01:23:51LloreanThat's one place, yes.
01:24:14Bensawsomeand i downloaded the updated bootload from here Llorean:
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01:24:42Bensawsomeas it said that there wasnt one in the zip file for the e200r in the main post
01:24:52Bensawsomewhich there wasnt
01:27:15Bensawsomei did exactly what this post said and it came up on boot saying "bootloader changed" and i rebooted again, turned it off, and when i pluggged the usb cable in it went into the OF :(
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01:28:23LloreanWhat version does your bootloader report?
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01:28:41BensawsomeLlorean where do i check ;)
01:28:56Bensawsomeone sec i think i know wherte
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01:29:28Bensawsomeor not :/
01:30:32Bensawsomeoh wait Llorean is this it? "Version Info: Product Rev.: PP5022AF-05.51-S301-01.01-RN01.02.031-D"
01:30:42Bensawsomeits from the version.txt in the root of my mp3 player
01:30:56LloreanThat's a sandisk file.
01:31:03Bensawsomeok lol
01:31:08LloreanWhen booting, hold Right, and your Rockbox bootloader should display some text very quickly
01:31:12LloreanYou'll probably need to do this several times
01:31:16LloreanIn there will be the revision number.
01:31:39Bensawsomeah ok
01:31:44Bensawsomeya i remember that
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01:39:45BensawsomeLlorean it shows "Version: 4.0"
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01:42:26LloreanThen you didn't manage to update it.
01:43:17Bensawsomewell i followed those directions exactly (except for needing the e200R only bootloader)
01:43:20Bensawsomeso i dunno :(
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01:44:32LloreanWhat do you mean "except for needing the e200R only bootloader"?
01:44:42Bensawsomeoh one sec
01:45:00Bensawsomebased on this comment i downloaded the one in the comment below it Llorean:
01:45:25LloreanYes, you already told me that
01:45:39Bensawsomethats what i mean buy "except for needing the e200R only bootloader"
01:45:46LloreanAs compared to what?
01:45:58LloreanThe instructions you were supposed to follow also needed an e200R-specific bootloader.
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01:46:45Bensawsomegrrr where did the page go :/
01:47:47BensawsomeLlorean compared to using the one from here
01:47:59Bensawsomei think evilnick pointed out the flyspray bootloader post
01:48:18LloreanThose are both e200R bootloaders
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01:48:23LloreanThe one in the flyspray post is just a newer one.
01:48:42saratogaBensawsome: just to be clear since I don't know how this works, the step is to copy the bootloader file to the root of the player?
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01:48:51Bensawsomesaratoga: yes
01:48:57motionman95I'm baaack!
01:48:59Bensawsomeill try the way you did it Llorean
01:49:04Bensawsomeerr told me to
01:49:06LloreanWhat way?
01:49:08saratogamotionman95: go away
01:49:15LloreanBensawsome: I didn't tell you to do anything.
01:49:17Bensawsomeerr i meant ill use the one from the wiki
01:49:22LloreanYou're not supposed to use the one from the wiki
01:49:27LloreanYou're supposed to use the newer one.
01:49:28motionman95saratoga: whaa?
01:49:30Bensawsomeok :/
01:49:38Bensawsomesaratoga thats mean :P
01:49:44LloreanBensawsome: Did you boot the original firmware with the file, named that way, in the root of your device?
01:49:44saratogaBensawsome: so you copied the new bootloader over, rebooted, and then what?
01:50:37BensawsomeLlorean not the original firmware....
01:50:49Bensawsomeit didnt say to boot into the original..
01:51:00LloreanDuring that installation, Rockbox isn't installed yet
01:51:03LloreanYou can ONLY boot the original
01:51:04motionman95you guys are so nice to help Bensawsome
01:51:13*Bensawsome headdesks
01:51:16Bensawsomeok thanks
01:51:24Bensawsomei be doin it wrong
01:51:36saratogawhy can't he do it from rockbox?
01:51:50Bensawsomesaratoga i guess only the OF can flash it :/
01:51:57Lloreansaratoga: Rockbox doesn't spot a PP5022.MI4 file in the root, and then copy it to the firmware partition.
01:52:04LloreanNobody's made a plugin for this yet, I guess.
01:52:17saratogawhn you reboot doesn't the OF bootloader notice it and update?
01:52:29LloreanI think only Recovery Mode and the _actual_ OF do it.
01:52:29saratogaor does it actually need the OF to run first
01:52:29Bensawsomesaratoga aparently not :/
01:53:03Lloreansaratoga: The wiki page says it happens after the database refresh, so definitely 'real' OF
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01:54:41saratogaonce the R is patched, can you just copy over the non-R OF if you want?
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01:56:25Lloreansaratoga: The fact that we need different bootloaders even though the Rockbox builds are the same (IIRC) suggests they still need to be signed (or whatever) differently, I guess.
01:56:51LloreanI would assume that means we can load e200 normal OF by way of the OF.MI4 file, since we don't actually create a merged bootloader/OF for the e200R
01:57:12saratogaLlorean: i guess replacing the bootloader on the R isn't possible like the non-R?
01:57:25LloreanAFAIK conversion from -R to non-R is completely possible.
01:57:34Bensawsomeno its possible
01:57:52Bensawsomeor atleast people say it is at the anythingbutipod forums
01:58:01saratogayes its possible
01:58:04Lloreansaratoga: Which bootloader? I believe the e200Rpatcher actually patches the signature check out of their bootloader, and that's a necessary step in our Rockbox install
01:58:05BigBambiah, well they'd know
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01:58:40saratogaso the difference is likely that the R firmware requires an R bootloader, so we can't just put a normal bootloader on there unless we also switch to a non-R OF?
01:58:54LloreanI think so, yes.
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01:59:00saratogathat makes sense then
01:59:06LloreanBut I'm not wholly sure.
01:59:16LloreanThe -R development period was a bit messy with people just trying absolutely random things.
01:59:17BensawsomeYES its refrteshing the db! which means it should reflash next :D
01:59:31saratogayeah i didn't really follow it
01:59:36scorche<saratoga> so the difference is likely that the R firmware requires an R bootloader, so we can't just put a normal bootloader on there unless we also switch to a non-R OF?
01:59:48Bensawsomescorche you has a e200r? :D
02:00:19scorcheBensawsome: yes...i was the first one to have an R running rockbox...
02:00:24saratogait would be nice to get USB working in the bootloader and then drop the OF's bootloader altogether, then we wouldn't need to care about any of this
02:00:28Bensawsomewow cool scorche :)
02:00:41Bensawsometoo bad you werent here before you could have helped me ;)
02:00:56Bensawsomebut i think i got it thanks to Llorean and saratoga :)
02:00:57scorcheyeah, thats a shame ;)
02:01:03Lloreansaratoga: Well the main problem is just updating the bootloader. If we just had a viewer you could "Open With" on a .mi4 file that'd update it, we also wouldn't need to mess with any of this after initial install.
02:02:20BensawsomeWIN! its 5.0 now! :D
02:02:31saratogathats good but stop telling us
02:03:02Bensawsomeand its still boots to the of when the usb cable is plugged in when off -_-
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02:03:42motionman95When was the last time the flyspray was updated?
02:04:04Lloreanmotionman95: Do you mean what version of Flyspray are we running?
02:05:09Bensawsomewel... i give up for now -_-
02:05:43BigBambimotionman95: The people that administer flyspray are still asleep
02:05:56LloreanBensawsome: 5.0 is an older version (unless the version number isn't updated in the one on flyspray). Are you sure you used the right file?
02:06:19LloreanBensawsome: You could always just compile one with the proper behaviour.
02:06:22Bensawsomei used the pp5022.mi4 from here:
02:06:28LloreanI told you NOT to use that one
02:06:32motionman95[^_^] funny joke, BigBambi, right? Just kiddin'
02:06:39BigBambimotionman95: what?
02:06:57Lloreanmotionman95: This is a technical channel. Please, limit yourself to saying what you really mean, and do so clearly.
02:06:57BigBambiBensawsome: Why didn't you use the new, updated one from flyspray
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02:07:20BensawsomeBigBambi: this one?
02:07:31LloreanThat's the one you were told to use in the beginning
02:07:39LloreanThe one you've been told to use every single time you've asked.
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02:07:42Bensawsomecause the zip prodiveded in the main post doesnt contain a e200R one
02:08:03BigBambiBensawsome: You have been told to use that one repeatedly
02:08:10BigBambiWhat is the problem here?
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02:09:36UnhelpfulBensawsome: the main post is the *oldest* thing in a thread on flyspray. surely you scrolled down?
02:10:19BigBambiUnhelpful: Even if that was a bit unclear, he has been told multiple times
02:10:23Bensawsomeyes. and i just tried the one in this comment:
02:10:28Bensawsomeand it doesnt wanna flash it
02:10:36LloreanWhen is "Just"?
02:10:44LloreanA few minutes ago you told us you installed the one from the wiki page.
02:10:48saratogaBensawsome: maybe you should leave this channel, load the logs, and then read them until you understand what you have set out to do
02:11:00saratogathis whole chatting thing doesn't seem to be working for you
02:11:17Bensawsomejust as in just tried it. the latest one i tried.
02:11:36BigBambibefore or after the one on the wiki page?
02:11:40LloreanBensawsome: And what does "doesnt wanna flash" mean?
02:11:51BigBambiand what was the error?
02:11:53BensawsomeLlorean copy to the firmware partition
02:12:02BigBambiYou did exactly the same thing as before?
02:12:08saratogai really think you guys are just confusing him more
02:12:09LloreanI'm certain the original firmware doesn't say "I don't wanna"
02:12:18BigBambisaratoga: I don't think that is possible
02:12:20Bensawsomesaratoga: i chat every single day in a support channel providing support. im fin e
02:12:27LloreanBensawsome: So why not try telling us _exactly_ what happens?
02:12:28BigBambigood god
02:12:32saratogai wouldn't call this fine
02:12:42saratogayou're drowning in words
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02:16:30froggymanit might be easier for someone here in Europe to swin across the atlantic go to his house and do it for him
02:16:43froggymanjust a thought
02:17:20Lloreanfroggyman: The whole "this is a technical channel" thing still applies. Please, try to keep your comments relevant.
02:19:39BensawsomeLlorean: ok so i went here and followed the directions exactly and was able to flash the 5.0 bootloader. Then I did the same thing except in step 5 i used the bootloader from this comment And I rebooted my mp3 player and went into the original sansa firmware but it didnt refresh the databse or copy the mi4 file
02:19:39Bensawsome into the firmware partition.
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02:20:07LloreanIs the PP5022.MI4 file still in the root of your player?
02:20:16Bensawsomei will check
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02:20:51Bensawsomeno it isnt
02:21:04Bensawsomeso i guess it copied it?
02:21:16Bensawsomebut the steps said it would also refresh the db.....
02:21:39LloreanThe database refresh still follows the OF's normal rules for it.
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02:21:54Lloreanhave you tried booting with a USB cable now, then?
02:22:23Bensawsomeyou mean when the mp3 player is off? yes and it boots to the original firmware :(
02:22:40LloreanYou can't really boot when the player is on, so yes, when it's off.
02:23:05LloreanWhat bootloader version is reported?
02:24:16LloreanAnd is this shown on a screen with lots of text, or a screen with the Rockbox logo?
02:26:37Bensawsomethe rockbox logo. should i hold the right button again while booting to get the text one?
02:27:08LloreanI told you to use that screen before. I didn't change that instruction at any point.
02:27:29Bensawsomesays 5.0 on the text one too
02:28:19LloreanAre you 100% sure then that you copied the right MI4 file to the player?
02:28:44Bensawsomeyes. i used the one from the comment on that flyspray post
02:29:15LloreanWell, that one's been confirmed to work for other people.
02:29:26LloreanSo, I can't tell what you've done wrong. Good luck.
02:29:49Bensawsomeok. well thanks. atleast i got it somewhat updated :/
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02:48:20LogWatchI have been watching the logs. Please be more polite to the people coming to #rockbox for support. This is just an idea from an anonymous source. If you want people to continue to use the rockbox software, as opposed to the proprietary included software, then politeness is almost required. Keep snide comments to another channel. Thank you.
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02:51:28scorcheLogWatch: if you are still "watching the logs", feel free to come in here and provide polite support...i am sure it would be welcomed
02:51:40raymanismhaving a problem with volume on my e200... not sure if this is a e200 bug, or a bug in rockbox 3.2....
02:51:48LloreanLogWatch: Remember, this is a volunteer effort. If you'd like to effect change, act rather than stating how you think others should act.
02:51:54BigBambiraymanism: What sort of problem?
02:51:56daBomb69lol, scorche LogWatch can read ur mind
02:52:06LloreandaBomb69: Please use real English,a s per the channel guidelines.
02:52:15raymanismwhen I change the volume, it doesn't actually change, untill the LCD backlight turns off
02:52:18LogWatchLlorean: I will, or maybe I am. As far as you know I already am.
02:52:47BigBambiraymanism: Weird. What about in the OF?
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02:53:00BigBambioooh, mystic
02:53:02raymanismnever happened with the OF
02:53:04BigBambiIs he, isn't he
02:53:17Lloreanraymanism: Nobody else has reported this problem.
02:53:52raymanismLlorean: should I report this as a bug, or should we see if other e200 users face something similar?
02:53:56BigBambiraymanism: Has it just started?
02:55:00raymanismBigBambi: actually, I think I have 3.1, so I should try 3.2 and see if the problem still exists...
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02:55:09BigBambiraymanism: Worth a go
02:55:25Lloreanraymanism: You should try the current build too, and only report it if it's happening in the newest official (as in, downloaded from our servers) build.
02:55:25raymanismit doesn't happen all the time though... mostly when I increase the volume to the max
02:56:01raymanismLlorean: I'll give the current build a go too. and I only use official builds
02:56:34Lloreanraymanism: I have to say that because some people consider "well, I built it myself from unchanged source" to be an official build, etc.
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02:58:34raymanismI'm sure it's mentioned in the manual/wiki... but what's a quick way to find out what version is installed on the player?
02:58:54raymanismLlorean: don't worry... I didn't apply any patches or build from source...
02:59:24Lloreanraymanism: There's an option under System I believe
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03:00:21raymanismLlorean: thanks... I remeber at boot-up the bootloader version is showed, followed by another version number (not sure for what)
03:00:38raymanismor in the opposite order
03:00:55raymanismI will try and report back later
03:03:10LloreanLogWatch: As a note, being anonymous does not in any way help your credibility. If you'd like to effect change, become a member of the active community, discuss specific problems you see with support given, and lead by example
03:03:54daBomb69Llorean, LogWatch isn't here anymore, he quit a while ago.
03:03:55LloreanTrying to maintain anonymity by dropping into the channel as some dramatic watcher makes you an object of humor and possibly even ridicule, rather than someone who seems to actually wish to improve things.
03:04:08LloreandaBomb69: And if he's watching the log, he still needs a way to identify which lines are for him.
03:04:08BigBambidaBomb69: he knows, it is for the logs
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03:04:16daBomb69And, he's not anonymous.
03:04:35daBomb69 /whois will show his ip, if he's still online
03:04:41scorcheRoamer: hi, logwatch
03:04:56Roamer:p Busted. lol
03:05:27Roamernice guess. the earthlink gave it away though.
03:05:38BigBambiyour IP did
03:05:40LloreanThat and your IP is still visible to us if you use the webclient.
03:05:44BigBambiand you have never been in here before
03:05:52RoamerThat too. :P
03:06:04daBomb69BigBambi, so. whats the point of someone never being here before?
03:06:06LloreanIt's not intended for anonymous access, it's intended to provide people without an IRC client a bare minimum access.
03:06:28BigBambidaBomb69: Have a look at the logs
03:06:42BigBambiThis is well off-topic now
03:08:58Roameri know mibbit showed my ip. I just didn't care.
03:09:13BigBambiCan we stay on topic please
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04:07:03saratogahow much memory is available on the clip for codecs?
04:07:57LloreanIt should be #defined in the config
04:08:46Lloreansaratoga: With the current #defines, the compressed audio buffer is 491088 bytes.
04:09:14LloreanSo assuming you're willing to shrink compressed, it can probably be the same size as it is on other targets.
04:09:17LloreanIf it's not, at least
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04:12:06saratogaah 288KB
04:12:25LloreanI assume that's preventing a few codecs from being build already (AAC?)
04:12:40LloreanOr is that number picked to be just big enough?
04:12:51*Llorean seems to recall AAC being in the about 400 range
04:13:02saratogawe've actually got a lot disabled
04:13:13saratogampc, wma, aac, ape, apc
04:13:26LloreanI don't see any reason why they should be.
04:14:12saratogai'll see if they fit right now
04:14:28LloreanWell, AAC probably won't at least
04:14:46LloreanBut I meant, I don't see why the codec buffer can't be enlarged to whatever size is the minimum necessary to fit all those.
04:15:43LloreanI mean at the very least it's an in-development target. All the codecs should be testable without modifying the build, and some can be stripped if the much smaller buffer radically harms performance at release time
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04:17:16saratogaLlorean: the codec buffer is in IRAM right now
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04:18:03saratogabut i think a few codecs will fit in the current buffer without too much effort
04:19:14Lloreansaratoga: Ah, it's all in IRAM?
04:19:18LloreanSo that's why there's so much RAM free.
04:19:42saratogai guess eventually we could introduce a define to put things in DRAM
04:19:55saratogamany codecs have enormous tables that are seldom accessed and could go in DRAM
04:22:46LloreanWell, ideally we want all the codecs working
04:23:06LloreanAnd it *is* flash
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04:37:41saratogadoes the OF work?
04:39:18saratogashouldn't the clip boot to the OF on USB plugin? its not working for me
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04:55:38Lloreansaratoga: Mine doesn't, at least.
04:55:41LloreanI have to manually reboot
04:56:19saratogaLlorean: do we have any targets with 2MB of RAM and SWCODEC except the clip?
04:56:27saratogawell AMS
04:56:37LloreanNot that I know of
04:56:48LloreanThe only other small RAM swcodec off the top of my head is the 1mb long-dead iFP port
04:58:04saratogaLlorean: could you try a WMA on your clip and tell me if you get an error, just using any recent svn build
04:59:09tmztwould that be the same as Fuze or are the AMS at different levels of progress in playback?
04:59:23Lloreansaratoga: Is 20753 new enough?
04:59:27saratogathe fuze has more memory
04:59:34saratogaLlorean: yeah just want to make sure i'm not crazy
05:00:00tmztwell, playback doesn't work at all (maybe wav)
05:00:06Lloreansaratoga: Know where I can get a sample WMA?
05:00:12tmztbut it also doesn't crash the device any more
05:00:24saratogaLlorean: don't worry, I'll just compile a stock svn build and try it myself
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05:03:33saratogahuh SPC doesn't build even though the codec memory usage page says its one of the smaller codecs
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05:05:15saratogaoh theres a different code path for the gigabeats
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05:19:22SjanoI was just wondering, how do the diffrent types of music files compare to eachother when thinking about battery lifetime on rockbox? or is there only a little to nothing in diffrence?
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05:22:29saratogaSjano: check out the CodecPerformanceComparison wiki page
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05:25:45SjanoThanks... (should have looked there first, hehe)
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05:28:33saratogai can get AAC building on the clip pretty easily, but i think the seek tables will render all but small files unplayable
05:28:54saratogashoudl I just disable seeking ?
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06:10:52CIA-63New commit by saratoga (r20782): Might as well enable SPC so that all codecs build on the Clip. Not yet real time.
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06:24:03saratogahmm those memory defines were set for the Sansa m200 and Logik DAX ports
06:26:25saratogalinuxstb: I probably broke those ports, you want to suggest the proper defines to check for them?
06:26:47saratogamaybe ifdef TCC773L or if CODEC_SIZE <= 0x38000?
06:27:14saratogathat way AMS isn't restricted
06:28:30saratogaon the upside, AAC should now fit on TCC
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06:38:40webguest72hey i have a quick question
06:39:09webguest72i recently downloaded ubuntu and do i really need virus/spyware protection?
06:39:34LloreanThis is #rockbox, maybe you were looking for #ubuntu?
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06:40:21webguest72heloo anyone there?
06:41:11webguest56can anyone help me?
06:41:23Unhelpfulwebguest72: this is also not a chat channel. if you have a question about rockbox, go ahead and ask. if you don't, you're probably in the wrong place.
06:41:23Lloreanwebguest56: Depends on your question.
06:41:51webguest72i recently downloaded ubuntu and do i really need virus/spyware protection
06:42:04Lloreanwebguest72: This is #Rockbox, that question has nothing to do with Rockbox.
06:42:17LloreanIf you wish to ask about Ubuntu, I suggest seeking help in #ubuntu instead.
06:42:20webguest72i know but someone might know
06:42:38webguest72the answer to my question
06:42:48LloreanThis channel is on-topic. Please do not ask questions about things other than Rockbox here.
06:42:56webguest56let her ask the question on ubuntu
06:43:09webguest56someone might be able to help him/her
06:43:24Lloreanwebguest56: 1) You have the same IP address. We're not likely to believe you're a different person since, at the very least, you're on the same network.
06:43:35Llorean2) This channel has rules. Follow them or you will be asked to leave.
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06:43:45LloreanThere are plenty of other places you can seek help for Ubuntu questions.
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07:21:05FlynDiceanyone have time to help me with a linking script for ams sansa?
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07:31:34saratoga_homeFlynDice: doubt i'll be much help but i'm interested to hear what you're working on
07:34:40FlynDicewell I think the empty space we reserve in iram in current svn to copy the vectors to is getting copied in front of tne main firmware we load at 0x0 with the mmu patch. Here's a link to the patched
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07:36:02saratoga_homeand this is why you can't start with MMU enabled?
07:36:20FlynDiceI haven't been able to work out how to remove it. It explains why I can get rockbox to boot if I jump to 0x44 but not to 0x0
07:37:36FlynDiceand would be consistent with this theory
07:40:31FlynDicetrial and error(my main tool....) has not served me well in figuring this one out ;)
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09:52:35hotdogIs there any development for the zune?
09:52:54hotdogor is the zune too locked up right now?
09:57:52_Auron_that or no one has pursued interest in development for it yet
09:59:47LloreanThe forum thread and wiki pages will be updated if anyone's ever working on it.
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10:06:08Urigeller23alright who want's to hear the story of how rockbox killed my ipod (well, not really)? I had the problem that after showing the apple logo my ipod went a) to the sad ipod icon or b) if tried to boot in disk mode to the folder icon with the warning sign
10:08:26Urigeller23after trying to access it via dd in disk mode (which failed, since no machine actually recognized it) I decided to simply open it in frustration
10:09:19Urigeller23guess what.. after disconnecting and reconnecting the harddisk cable it works again ^^
10:11:08Urigeller23definitely one of the stranger "bugs" I've encountered in the last time..
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10:14:13motionman95Are the people who manage FlySpray online?
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10:17:17bertrikI can edit / delete comments and close / open tasks, but I can't really manage it
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10:56:53MT linuxstb : Hi .. Do you know how I could make ffmpeg produce raw decoded frames to separate files ?
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12:51:26MTLadies and Gentlemen, We have sound ! \o/
12:51:47MTConverted RM -> wav
12:57:14CtcpIgnored 4 channel CTCP requests in 12 minutes and 16 seconds at the last flood
12:57:14*stripwax \o/
12:57:28stripwaxon target, right? :)
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12:59:43MTstripwax : that would make the soc project complete .. it's a "We have sound !" of a slightly different kind :P
13:00:14MTnow phase 1 of the project is *almost* complete
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13:07:47[Elvis]hello guys
13:08:16[Elvis]I was wondering...I'm trying to install rockbox on my the program compatible with the ipod nano 3rde I only see the 1ste generation as an option
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13:10:08pixelmawhat does the frontpage say?
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13:10:40[Elvis]ah i see
13:10:48[Elvis]is that because of the apple firmware lock?
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13:11:28pixelmayes + new undocumented hardware + noone seems to be willing to do the work
13:11:40BigBambiMT: Congratulations, excellent progress :)
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13:15:20motionman95Are the people who manage FlySpray online?
13:19:48BigBambimotionman95: they read the logs geberally, they will get back to you
13:20:04BigBambitry ping: Bagder
13:20:10BigBambithen he will see he was mentioned
13:21:08pixelma[Elvis]: out of curiosity: how did you find the documentation on how to install Rockbox? Asking because you seem to have overlooked the list of players it works on and it would be cool to know how we could improve that
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13:25:18CIA-63New commit by stripwax (r20783): Commit FS #9882 - make better use of iram at different quality encodings, remove redundant memsets, implement doublebuffer if it will fit in iram to ...
13:25:51thrasholdHello. The upgrade info says `The database format has changed since 3.1 so the rockbox database must be rebuilt to be usable after the upgrade. The manual has the detailed instructions for doing this. ' Where?
13:26:17*stripwax watches the build table ...
13:30:19pixelmathrashold: I guess the interesting bits are in the database chapter - initialisation and export/import modification (if you use something like rating or gather runtime data)
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13:31:30pixelmaunder Browsing and playing
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13:33:06thrasholdThank you :)
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13:37:42*stripwax breathes a sigh of relied
13:37:45stripwaxfirst commit!
13:38:35MTBigBambi : Thanks :) .. it still needs some cleaning though.
13:40:16MTstripwax : congrats :)
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14:08:08BigBambistripwax: second, surely
14:08:23stripwaxwell technically, true.
14:08:34BigBambithat's the best kind of true!
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16:22:54funmanflyndice is online on the forum but not here :(
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16:26:59bertrikoh hi funman, I think I read something about you getting very low CPU usage on ams sansa
16:27:13bertrikfor playback I mean
16:27:39funmanbertrik: yes, I commented on the forum thread; it was with caching & buffering enabled for IRAM only, and was still very unstable
16:28:37bertrikthere was also talk about making the ams sansa codec/i2c driver interrupt driven, this should be doable now I think
16:29:42funmanI didn't mesure the delays but i'm not sure if it's worth (delay might be shorter than a switch_thread()), and we miss the I2C registers description (error flags for example)
16:30:24bertrikthe delay that's currently used rather crude, I wouldn't be surprised if we could lower it by a factor of 10
16:31:08funmanI meant the "while i2c_busy() ;"
16:31:43bertrikoh I'm confused with the i2c for the radio
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16:32:38bertrikif we set the clocks right (400 kHz), then it should be about 75 us max
16:32:55funmanoh ok, FM isn't cpu intensive so it's less important
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16:36:44funmando you think we could use GPIO interrupts ?
16:38:19bertrikI have no idea
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16:42:43bertrikhm can't we enable charging for the fuze? we don't know the exact charging current used by the OF but we do know the battery capacity now
16:43:29funmanhow can you know the charging current used ? some as3514 register setting ?
16:45:24bertrikyes we could look in the OF, or simply measure it with a multimeter.
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17:15:29motionman95Are the people who manage FlySpray online?
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17:18:42gevaertsmotionman95: has information about who to talk to, including an emaul address :)
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17:53:50motionman95gevaerts: It doesn't really tell me who who talk to...
17:54:12BigBambi"If you have any problem with this, contact Zagor (Björn Stenberg), either in mail or on IRC"
17:54:38BigBambiand the word mail is a link to his e-mail address
17:55:23motionman95Whoops, didn't see that. Sorry! Anyway, I give him an email. Does he often reply?
17:55:30BigBambiWhy not try
17:56:19markunmotionman95: but Zagor also is here quite often
17:56:50motionman95Well, I'll check back...see if he's online...
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18:00:07motionman95Who's zarggg
18:00:22Zargggwell, zarggg's just zis guy, you see?
18:00:54BigBambion topic please
18:01:01motionman95Yeah...never mind... =}
18:01:32motionman95That email listed on the wiki is old, it doesn't work anymore. =(
18:02:15motionman95I guess I'll just wait for him to come to the IRC...
18:02:27BigBambiyo removed the NOSPAM and put a . in right?
18:02:41BigBambiin fact, the . is there
18:02:48BigBambiBut you did remove the NOSPAM?
18:03:08motionman95No, I didn't change the email at all, my bad.
18:04:56motionman95Well, now that I've got that email sent, I want to ask a question...
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18:06:43*BigBambi wonders if a question will be forthcoming or not
18:07:06*motionman95 says that he's typing!
18:08:46motionman95Are there any WPS gurus who would make my image (for sansa c250) into a WPS?
18:09:10*motionman95 says that it doesn't really take him that long to type...
18:11:18robin0800motionman95: Post image in WPS forum and ask for help
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18:42:13motionman95Well...for good measure, I'll post it here as well! (if that's okay)
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18:46:00krazykitmotionman95, that's actually quite a simple WPS. coding that yourself should be quite easy. should tell you all you need to know about it
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18:46:45*motionman95 backs away slowly...
18:47:06*motionman95 has tried to create a WPS, but failed miserably
18:50:08kugeljhMikeS: ping
18:51:00motionman95@kugel: Could you help me with my Flyspray problem, or should I wait for Zagor?
18:52:17kugelYou should wait for zagor
18:53:45kugelIIUC, only the Swedes (Bagder, LinusN, Zagor) have admin access to flyspray and the severs. At least I don't have, so I can't help you
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18:58:36robin0800motionman95: The easiest way is to take an existing one and modify in a sim
18:59:29soapmotionman95, I can't get your link to open
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19:00:40robin0800motionman95: nor me
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19:02:17saratoga_homeMT: have you looked through all the ffmpeg patches and figured out which were commited and which were not?
19:02:20kugelrobin0800, soap: it took a while for me to load, but it loaded
19:02:42MTsaratoga_home : no not yet.
19:03:16MTI saw the patches once marbanan posted the link and just had a quick look.
19:03:22kugelMT: just curious, what did you do to fix the broken output?
19:03:47saratoga_homei read through their email logs and it looks like some were accepted
19:04:06saratoga_homethey also took care to make sure the codec could work in fixed and floating point
19:04:51saratoga_homei hate to remove that, but if its a lot of work or it clutters the code you may want to just drop floating point
19:05:02saratoga_homewe don't need it at least
19:05:44MTkugel : stupid mistake , the decoder used extradata_size to determine the total number of sub-bands in the frequency domain, it read it from COOKContext and I, for some reason, forgot to initialize that
19:06:10kugelah, glad that it works now
19:06:23motionman95@robin0800 and soap: Try again:
19:06:31MTsaratoga_home : I was planning to drop the floating point part/
19:06:41saratoga_homethats fine
19:06:41MTkugel : Thanks :)
19:06:48*motionman95 waits for zagor
19:07:16motionman95@robin0800 and soap: Does it work?
19:08:12MTsaratoga_home : I suppose the first patch (the one by Ian) was accepted, right ?
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19:11:21motionman95** /me want to see if this works..
19:11:28*motionman95 cries.
19:11:54krazykitmotionman95, have some patience. you'll get a response at some point.
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19:15:46BigBambimotionman95: You've also been told multiple times the three people that can help you with flyspray. Either wait for a response to your mail, or wait until one of them are active here. Please now stop asking the channel at large, and other specific people
19:15:47*motionman95 agrees with krazykit.
19:16:07*motionman95 agrees with BigBambi.
19:16:45motionman95Yeah...I'm going to log out and come back later...see if they are here then...
19:16:54*motionman95 says bye!
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20:15:54CIA-63New commit by kugel (r20784): Rename _buttonlight_timeout and use a function call instead of extern'ing buttonlight_timeout to be more inline with backlight, and use a #define ...
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20:39:09CIA-63New commit by kugel (r20785): Fix red.
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20:42:09TomersI am a bit stuck on the USB HID issue. I managed (or at least I think I did) to implement interrupt mode for the e200, but still the host rejects the HID message sent by the DAP.
20:42:42fenugrecHID report must be borked !
20:42:55fenugrechave you tried on a win or linux machine ?
20:43:10fenugrecI've found linux is much less permissive on HID report errors...
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20:45:04gevaertsHave you looked with a tracer? If it looks OK there, I guess the interrupt transfers as such work
20:45:45bertrikTomers, it's been a long time since I looked at HID, but what confused me was that there were 1 (or a few more bytes) sent in front of the HID report
20:47:40Tomersbetrick: I'll check it out. What tool did you use for sniffing USB traffic? Did the HID device enumerated successfully?
20:48:02Tomersgevaerts: Can you commit "FS #10166 - USB arrangement - use constants and some cosmetics" ?
20:48:23Tomersgevaerts: I have some more work to be committed. I prefer doing it step-by-step
20:48:31gevaertsTomers: I added a comment to it
20:50:11gevaertsI don't really like too much whitespace changes. Fixing constants to use defines is fine, but I think adding spaces around = all over the place or changing indentation style isn't needed
20:50:54Tomersgecaerts: I agree. I also got some changes put into this patch that weren't supposed to be there yet. I'll post a new one soon.
20:51:14Tomersgevaerts: I'm wasting some time upgrading to Ubuntu 9.04, so it takes me some more time
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21:13:53kugelkkurbjun (for the logs): I'd like to commit a lcd_enable simulation for the sims, but it'll potentially break the targets which haven't been cleaned up w.r.t HAVE_LCD_ENABLE/HAVE_LCD_SLEEP (which is only the gigabeats and mrobe afaik)
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21:23:43CIA-63New commit by kugel (r20786): Setting do_full_update isn't actually needed, since the track changed event will set it if needed.
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21:43:12saratogamotionman95: this is an on topic channel, if you want to continue using it, stay on topic
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22:07:05TomersThe svn server is ssssslllllloooooooww
22:08:12*bluebrother hands Tomers an svn server using mod_dav_svn
22:10:16Tomersbluebrother: What is it exactly? Isn't it an Apache module? How can it help me in anyway?
22:10:51bluebrotherit doesn't help. It's a different way to access a svn repository, and using http for accessing an svn repo is _noticably_ slower than svnserve
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22:13:02TomersI was referring to having a very slow svn checkout, using the command svn co svn:// rockbox
22:13:17bluebrotherI know.
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22:13:48bluebrotherthe point is that svnserve is the fastest way to access a repo. If it's slow either the server is slow by itself or the network has issues
22:15:24bluebrotherjust tried a fresh checkout. Took ~59 seconds ...
22:16:29Tomerswhen you say svnserve did you mean browsing the code @ , or is there a way I can checkout faster? BTW I'm doing it from a virtual Ubuntu machine running under Vista host. That may explain this
22:17:12bluebrotherdepends on how fast your vm is. My vm (w2k) isn't much slower than a real one.
22:17:37bluebrotheran svn repo accessed via svn:// is using svnserve. If it uses http:// it uses apache.
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22:19:16TomersSo I'm using svnserve. And my VM's speed is OK...
22:20:31bluebrotherwhat I wanted to say with my initial comment: a checkout should be fast. If not something is wrong with your network (or your uplink or machine)
22:21:01bluebrotherare you checking out on a shared folder / samba share?
22:24:00TomersNo. It's a newly created VM with no special configuration. My internet connection is OK, and I can see videos from youtube etc, with no problems. I'll investigate. Let's leave this. I just wanted to make sure there's no issues with the server.
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22:30:12Bnakai067Can some one help me?
22:30:43*Bagder takes a guess at the problem and answers: 42
22:31:01Bnakai067I need help with that
22:32:08bluebrotherBnakai067: open your browser. Type that address. Press enter.
22:32:34Bnakai067My problem is in that forum
22:32:51Bnakai067I already psoted it up there
22:32:55bluebrotherwhat is "that forum" as a problem? It works
22:33:08Bnakai067 I need help with my sansa
22:33:25saratogaBnakai067: i tried to help you the last time you asked but you never answered me
22:34:12Bnakai067Srry...I had to go loast time
22:34:22bluebrotherthe next-to-last post kinda indicates me that you were the problem for the people that tried to help
22:35:28Bnakai067I tried giving them information....But I dont understand what they want
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22:36:27BigBambiAnswers and information
22:36:35BigBambisuch as Rockbox version for a start
22:36:44Bnakai067 I got the latest
22:36:56soapBnakai067, you never answered the questions Chronon asked 4 days ago.
22:36:59BigBambiRelease or current build
22:37:16Bnakai067Huh? Whats that?
22:37:23BigBambiBnakai067: Please just tell me the actual version
22:38:00bluebrotherhow did you install?
22:38:10Bnakai067Via Rockbox installer
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22:38:46BigBambiwhich version of Rockbox?
22:38:46 Join dmb [0] (n=dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) sansa isnt working anymore....its just blinking
22:39:12Bnakai067I cant tell which verion
22:39:27kugelcan someone figure out the onda red?
22:39:32kugelmcuelenaere: ping
22:39:44bluebrotherand how exactly? What button did you use? What did Rockbox Utility tell you?
22:40:00Bnakai067I got my rockbox a week ago
22:40:20bluebrotherthis doesn't help a bit
22:40:21Bnakai067Using the latest rockbox utility for my sansa 250
22:40:41BigBambiBnakai067: Seriously, if you want help you need to answer the questions
22:40:50Bnakai067I dont understand what you want from me
22:41:05BigBambiRead the questions you have been asked, and answer them
22:41:07bluebrother"latest" doesn't include any version number. It also doesn't tell *what* you installed. Rockbox Utility can do serveral things
22:41:08Bnakai067I have been giving you answers
22:41:20BigBambinot to the questions we asked
22:41:21Bnakai067Then I dont know
22:41:30bluebrotherBnakai067: no. Stop claiming to answer questions you didn't answer.
22:41:39BigBambiBnakai067: then it i very hard to help
22:41:42bluebrotherif you don't understand the question then ask about that.
22:42:09BigBambiBnakai067: We need to know either exactly how you intalled - what button you pressed etc., or the exact version number of Rockbox
22:42:10Bnakai067Rockbox 3.2
22:42:22bluebrotherfascinating. Now it worked.
22:42:25BigBambithank you
22:42:50BigBambiBnakai067: When you insert the USB cable with Rockbox running, it should reboot to the Sansa OF and then connect
22:42:54mcuelenaerekugel: pong
22:42:57Bnakai067On the blinking picture on my rockbox it says I Boot ver. .0
22:43:02kugelmcuelenaere: the onda red is weird
22:43:30*mcuelenaere looks
22:43:35BigBambiBnakai067: That is the bootloader version
22:43:54BigBambiBnakai067: When you plug in the USB cable from the Sansa firmware, does it work?
22:44:23BigBambithen there is some other problem
22:44:32BigBambiRockbox doesn't affect the Sansa firmware
22:44:44saratogahey you finally answered my question about if it worked in the original firmware!
22:44:53kugelthe parts which are red are covered by defined(BACKLIGHT_FULL_INIT). BACKLIGHT_FULL_INIT is not #defined in the bootloader. without this backlight_timeout is a #define (which is why it's red, but that part of the code shouldn't even be compiled)
22:44:55Bnakai067When my sansa was normal it would only connect and charge when it was on...when it was of it only charge but not connect
22:45:23BigBambiBnakai067: Let's try and keep this simple
22:45:28robin0800Bnakai067: Wrong Usb setting in sansa firmware?
22:45:39Bnakai067I tried both
22:45:42BigBambiBnakai067: do exactly what I tell you and then tell me exactly what happens
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22:46:05BigBambiSo boot into the Sansa firmware by holding left whilst turning your player on
22:46:33bertrikkugel, backlight_brightness is itself already a macro
22:46:36kugelit seems that gcc is wrong there :/ it's right in backlight.h (since it turns backlight_timeout into the #define), but not in backlight.c (it compiles the code which isn't to be compiled, but still uses the backlight_timeout #define)
22:46:37mcuelenaerekugel: target/mips/ingenic_jz47xx/onda_vx747/backlight-target.h seems to have BACKLIGHT_FULL_INIT defined, is that wrong?
22:46:50kugelyes it is :)
22:46:57Bnakai067SOZ... my sansa is not charged
22:47:00bertrikoh wait, let me look a bit closer
22:47:11mcuelenaerekugel: so just removing that should fix it,
22:47:36kugelprobably. or do you want full backlight support (including the backlight thread and stuff) in the bootloader?
22:47:49*mcuelenaere guesses not sansa is saying something
22:48:31mcuelenaerehmm, this is weird.. that BACKLIGHT_FULL_INIT #define is in a #ifdef BOOTLOADER ..
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22:49:33kugelwell, if it wasn't it would throw errors in the main build
22:50:09kugelbtw, backlight-target.h is the same file for all ondas, couldn't it be merged?
22:50:20kugel(and moved 1 dir up)
22:50:36mcuelenaereit probably could
22:53:17CIA-63New commit by kugel (r20787): Fix onda red. Unlike all other targets, it built the whole backlight driver in the bootloader.
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22:55:27CIA-63New commit by mcuelenaere (r20788): Merge Onda VX7?7 backlight-target.h
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22:57:31bluebrotherany thoughts on a new idea to have the rbutil main screen?
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22:58:02bluebrotheras we add more functionality the tabs are getting limiting somewhat. Not that I want to implement that right now, it's just an idea (well, for now ;-)
22:58:06BigBambiooooh nice
22:58:35BigBambiI like that it is much more clear which version you are installing#
23:00:14bluebrotherit should also address the issue that only the main build allows selecting anything different than the current build
23:01:18bluebrotherBigBambi: beware that it's just a mockup yet (no code −− just clicked it in designer and made a screenshot of the preview). But that's a really nice way to see how a UI would look like
23:02:20BigBambibluebrother: Customise!
23:02:46BigBambibut yes, I like the idea
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23:11:19CIA-63New commit by kugel (r20789): Restructure backlight timeout management a bit by factoring out the get_current_timeout code. No functional change.
23:11:34soapWhy 'Archived Build'?
23:12:56bluebrotherbecause we had them in the install dialog since the first version. Of course we could scrap that option the same time
23:13:02bluebrotheras said, it's only an idea right now.
23:13:27soapI like the layout and options. Was just curious.
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23:16:20_fmlbluebrother: I find the 'Installation' tab a bit disappointing. All the installation actions can be taken from the 'Quick start' (which I like!). What's the purpose of the 'Installation' tab then?
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23:18:54bluebrother_fml: the quick start tab doesn't do as much as the installation tab −− you can't install a current build for example
23:19:06bertrikkugel, I think some #include "backlight.h" instances can be removed, I think I'll commit the removal of some of those tonight
23:19:21bluebrotherapart from that (and I'm in favor of merging those two) the installation tab was first −− quick start was added later.
23:20:07domonokyyes, with this new the design the installation can be merged.
23:21:31bluebrothernew "during installation" mockup:
23:21:39domonokyor to be more correct all three tabs (quick start, install, extras) can be merged.
23:22:08bluebrotherwhich is a good thing :)
23:23:17bluebrotherwe really need to finish that other stuff so we can start doing this :)
23:23:53domonokyyes, currenty theme site is blocking things, correct ?
23:23:54bluebrotherrasher: around?
23:24:17bluebrotheror: we could release, but it might hit us as "bug"
23:25:09domonokyif we can fix this on the themesite we can "magically" fix this bug without releaseing a new rbutil.
23:25:32bluebrothertrue, but we need a new release anyway
23:26:15domonokyor else we could now release a rbutil with a "hotfix" (another list of targetnames) which we can removed, when the theme site is fixed.
23:27:10*bluebrother would prefer to hear rasher's opinion about the issue first
23:27:38domonokyis rasher the only one with access to the themesite db ?
23:27:47*scorche waves
23:28:01bluebrotherat least he made the php code
23:28:46domonokyfrom what i can read from the theme site code, we only need more target definitions in the theme db.
23:32:59CIA-63New commit by bertrik (r20790): Remove unnecessary #include "backlight.h"
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