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#rockbox log for 2009-04-26

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00:29:22telliottI've searched but how do I find instuctions to update the bootloader on my Archos V1
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01:17:55telliottok, I'm stumped. How do I update the bootloader on my Archos V1 recorder. I haven't done it in ages
01:19:22telliottThe .bin files I have are from flash-recorder-v3. Is this the correct version?
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01:24:22domonokythere is no bootloader for archos. you probably mean, you want to update the flashed rockbox binary ?
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01:27:41telliottI was about to flash the ucl but it said the bootloader was out of date. I'm running from flash
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01:29:09sandiske280rhi
01:29:11domonokyyou should rolo into the new build, before trying to run the ucl.
01:29:33telliottthe problem is that this is an old and (prtially) forgotten platform
01:29:39telliottI did that
01:29:42domonokyand if your flash version is very old, you may need to redo the initial flashin procedure (see manual)
01:30:01sandiske280rI'm looking for a bit of assistance with my sandisk 280r
01:30:30sandiske280rI just installed rockbox, via the OSX 'rbutilqt'
01:30:50sandiske280rand now, when booting, I get a file not found error
01:30:53telliottis the initial flash procedure in the main manual? I must have missed it
01:31:02domonokytelliott: yes.
01:31:25scorchesandiske280r: go into the installation tab in rbutil and his the button for installing the firmware
01:31:26sandiske280rand now I cannot get it to connect to my apple
01:31:51domonokysandiske280r: did you use the buttons from the quick start tab ?
01:32:04sandiske280ryes, the complete installation
01:32:06sandiske280rand the
01:32:09sandiske280rwait...
01:32:21sandiske280ralso the extras
01:32:23sandiske280rand the voice
01:32:29domonokysandiske280r: and you should be able to reboot into the of for usb, (see manual for howto)
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01:32:53sandiske280rdomonoky: eh?
01:33:51domonokysandiske280r: rbutil currently has a bug on osx, which causes that rockbox isnt installed correctly. (see rbutils wikipage)
01:33:53telliottI think I found it in the advanced settings.
01:34:45domonokyso you should boot into the sansa of, connect usb, and reinstall the main binary via the installation tab in rbutil.
01:34:47sandiske280roops! I will look into the rbutils wiki, I hope it will help me to get the sandisk volume to show up on osx ...
01:34:48telliottI've done the update a million times but not the initial installation
01:36:04domonokysandiske280r: hold left while booting, as it says in the manual.
01:36:12sandiske280rdomonoky: what is the 'sansa of' ?
01:36:22domonokyof= original firmware
01:36:25sandiske280ryes I do that, and it boots in the original sandisk os
01:36:32sandiske280rah thanks
01:37:17sandiske280rthank you, I will do it right now
01:40:44sandiske280rOK I have the Sandisk showing up in OSX again, I am in the 'installation' tab of rbutil.... and now I should choose the 'install the bootloader' button?
01:41:12domonokymake sure the mountpoint is configured correctly first.
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01:41:40domonokyand not the bootloader. that should already be installed.
01:42:11sandiske280rIt found the mountpoint automatically, being the 'SYSTEM' folder on the sandisk, is that correct?
01:42:32domonokyno it should point to the root of the device.
01:43:04domonokysomthing like: /Volumes/sansa or similar
01:43:17sandiske280rOK
01:43:28mc2739does rbutil support e200r now?
01:43:33sandiske280rI changed it into volumes/sansa e280
01:43:57sandiske280rperhaps that was what made it originally broken: that I installed it in the SYSTEM folder?
01:44:08sandiske280rlet see what happens when I restart the device
01:44:43sandiske280rnope
01:44:47sandiske280ragain file not found
01:45:03domonokysandiske280r: whats the exact error message ?
01:45:11sandiske280rehm
01:45:23sandiske280rbefore I can read it fully, it shuts down
01:45:38domonokyand check if there really is a .rockbox dir on the device.
01:45:48domonoky(it may be hidden on osx)
01:45:53sandiske280rbut let me see if I can get the message by repeatedly restarting.. one moment
01:46:24sandiske280rCan't load rockbox.mi4
01:46:43sandiske280rCan't load rockox.e200
01:46:53sandiske280rthere. those are the two errros
01:46:57mc2739sandiske280r: what version is your sandisk firmware?
01:47:11domonokyso the .rockbox dir is probably still not there. did you use the "install rockbox" button and safely eject the device ?
01:47:43sandiske280ryes, I used the 'install rockbox' AND I safely ejected
01:47:54domonokymc2739: from the error message, the bootloader work fine, so it really seems like the rbutil osx bug.
01:48:07sandiske280rfirmware is 01.02.15a
01:48:17domonokycheck if there isnt another sansa directory in /Volumes/
01:48:34mc2739ok - thats not an e280r then
01:49:08sandiske280rIt's a crime getting this thing to show up in OSX... I constantly change the USB mode, restart, try, etc etc
01:49:56*domonoky suspects there is a left-over sansa directory on /Volumes and the sansa is now mounted to another directory.
01:49:58sandiske280rmc2739: it says model: e280R on the backside of the unit
01:50:26sandiske280rlet me first get into the volume.. one moment
01:50:28mc2739that happens a lot with refurbished units
01:50:39sandiske280rah?
01:50:52sandiske280rso what type do I have then?
01:51:06mc2739it is just an e280
01:51:20sandiske280rah
01:51:58mc2739the hardware is identical to the e280r - the firmware was the difference between the two models
01:52:13sandiske280rhmkay
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01:58:01sandiske280rok, back in the unit via OSX... there is no .rockbox volume...
01:58:29sandiske280rand in the Volumes directory, I have:
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02:00:49sandiske280rehm
02:01:11sandiske280rstrange, I had two sansa's in the choose a volume window
02:01:18sandiske280rand I installed it in the second
02:01:22sandiske280rand now it works
02:02:29domonokythats what i meant. one of those two directorys is not the device, but a folder on your pc.
02:02:43sandiske280ryes
02:03:09sandiske280rbut when I installed it the first time, I did not choose a folder on my mac
02:04:06domonokyyes, but you used "complete install" which is buggy on mac at moment. this caused this trouble .. :-)
02:04:12sandiske280rbut the positive thing: it works
02:04:23sandiske280rheh
02:04:29domonokyyes, have fun with rockbox..
02:04:41sandiske280rwould you like me to try it again, when it is not so buggy anymore?
02:05:05domonokyno, only the installer has this bug. rockbox itself is fine :-)
02:06:13domonokyso dont worry, it works now.
02:07:45sandiske280ryes, thanks
02:07:52sandiske280rand goodbye
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05:05:54jbotalanSo I got a random data abort on my sansa; i was wondering if there's an effective way to debug what function caused it. I have the address.
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10:27:28bluebrotherjhulst: is jhulst.com your build server?
10:28:29*bluebrother smells upcoming issues with infozip 3.0
10:32:19bluebrotherUnhelpful: how did you create the UnhelpfulAA.zip theme available on t.r.o? Are you using zip 3.0?
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10:48:33linuxstbbluebrother: What's the problem? rbutil's unzip lib can't handle files created by infozip 3.0?
10:49:25bluebrotherI'm not sure. The current Gigabeat F build doesn't unzip (though the lib doesn't produce errors, only a notice on the debug output). Same happens for UnhelpfulAA.zip from the themes server
10:49:58bluebrothermy suspicion is that it's related to zip 3.0 showing up in newer distros
10:50:18bluebrotherwhich would be a really ugly thing (if it's zip 3.0 related)
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11:00:55*bluebrother goes building zip 3.0 to check the differences
11:03:06GrahackMaybe I found a (minor) documentation bug: on <a target="_blank" href="http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-820004.4.7">http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-820004.4.7a> (helpful hints section) Main Menu → Settings → Playlist → Recursively Insert Directories should be Main Menu → Settings → General Settings → Playlist → Recursively Insert Directories (added general settings). If someone tells me "go for it" I file a report on flyspray.
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11:04:27bluebrotherGrahack: what's the bug? Is the menu path wrong?
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11:05:57Grahackyes, you have to enter General Settings after entering Settings
11:06:22GrahackIn other words the Playlist menu is not under Settings but General Settings
11:06:23bluebrothergimme a few minutes and I'll fix that immediately
11:11:45bertrikis it possible to search in one thread only on the forum (I'm trying to find something in the sansa v2 thread)?
11:12:55*bertrik spots a 'topic id' box in the advanced search
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11:16:39linuxstbbertrik: The "print" button shows you the entire thread on one page. You can then search in your browser.
11:17:51CIA-63New commit by 03bluebrother (r20798): Fix wrong path to "Recursively Insert Directories" setting. Thanks to Grahack on IRC for pointing it out.
11:17:54bertriklinuxstb, thanks for the tip, I'm now using the topic id box, it works exactly as I expected
11:18:54bluebrotherheh, with CIA I don't need to state I fixed it :)
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11:21:07bluebrothercrap, the created archives are completely different between infozip 2 and 3 :/
11:22:52linuxstbHow so? My unzip (2.3) can unzip the Gigabeat F build (unless I downloaded the wrong one...)
11:26:45bluebrotherit's not unzip, it's the unzip class used
11:27:39bluebrotherI hoped the binary output of zip2 and zip3 isn't too different. Though I didn't expect that seriously.
11:29:27bluebrotherurgh. It _is_ zip 3.0 related.
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11:30:18bluebrotherI can extract a zip file created with zip 2.3 fine but not one created with 3.0
11:30:44bluebrotherunzip itself doesn't have any problem
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12:29:03Grahackcould someone point me to some info about .m3u8 ? what are the differences with .m3u ?
12:29:49BigBambiit is the same but utf-8
12:30:27GrahackBy the way, everytime the manuals says RockBox will create a .m3u, it creates a .m3u8. Maybe it should be fixed ?
12:30:49BigBambiprobably
12:31:04BigBambiI'll have a look in a bit
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12:40:12Grahackwhere should a wiki page about playlist formats belong ? something like <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PlaylistFormats">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PlaylistFormatsa> ?
12:42:47BigBambiGrahack: I only see two uses of m3u that need changing to m3u8 - in "From the main menu" in "Working With Playlists" (where the menu path is also wrong) and in "Playlist Viewer Menu" Did you see any others?
12:43:41n1sGrahack: what would you put in that page, we really only support one playlist format
12:44:03BigBambiOh, and the search plugin
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12:44:32BigBambiI need to check which one that uses first :)
12:46:06BigBambiah, the search plugin still gives the results as .m3u not .m3u8
12:46:52Grahackn1s: in that page I'd explain what .m3u is (simple text file, and how to create (FAQ tip)) and what .m3u8 is (utf8 convert only), maybe few player specific links or other links that I met
12:47:40Grahackn1s: I just wanted to find some info, even minimal, about m3u8. I'd be happy to find such a page
12:48:26n1sGrahack: if you find the info in the manual to be insufficient i think working on improving that is more usefull as people tend not to find those random documentation pages in the wiki
12:49:26BigBambiGrahack: Perhaps a quick note about m3u8 at the beginning of Working with Playlists?
12:50:12GrahackBigBambi: no other place so far, and a note about .m3u8 would be great where you say
12:50:43BigBambiDo you fancy having a go at writing something? I don't know what sort of info is needed
12:52:15GrahackI'll try to write some words about .m3u8, but what's wrong with a wiki page too ? This page could be a draft for us to elaborate the note at the beginning of Working with Playlists
12:53:19BigBambiIt is just that the wiki tends to get clogged up
12:53:20happosadeH'ray! My rockbox works
12:53:32happosadeBut it won't load battery full
12:53:45BigBambiIt is difficult to keep everything up-to-date, and there is lots of old or wroong info there etc.
12:53:50BigBambiIn the manual it is easier
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12:54:28GrahackI'm not fluent enough in English to understand fully what 'clogged up' means but I see
12:55:16BigBambiblocked or full up with
12:55:38BigBambii.e. there are so many pages there, that finding the useful ones is already difficult
12:56:40CIA-63New commit by 03alex (r20799): Change two occurences of m3u to m3u8, as this is what Rockbox saves in. Thanks to Grahack on IRC for pointing out.
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12:57:00BigBambigod, that bot is quick
12:57:22bertrikyeah, it posts the commit message before the commit command even returns on the client side
12:57:42BigBambiIt was about simultaneous here :)
12:58:11bertrikhapposade, what player are you talking about?
12:58:23happosadeiPod 30gigs
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13:03:03bertrikhapposade, I know nothing about that player, but maybe someone else here does
13:04:08bluebrotheris the player connected during this "doesn't load full"?
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13:04:21bluebrotherthe readout might be wrong if connected to power.
13:04:32happosadebluebrother: no
13:04:41happosadeIt load to about 60%
13:05:55CIA-63New commit by 03kugel (r20800): <a target="_blank" href="https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10158">FS #10158a> - e200v2 button delay revisited by Michael Chicoine to fix some weirdnesses with button reading.
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13:27:26CIA-63New commit by 03bluebrother (r20802): Update OSDaB Zip class to most current version from the projects svn repo (r7).
13:28:36bluebrotherwouldn't it be better to make the CIA bot message more compact? Of course it announces a new commit, or how can I create old commits?
13:28:58*bluebrother thinks of something like "r1234 by someone: foo"
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13:32:19Unhelpfulbluebrother: i do indeed currently have Zip 3.0... can't say if i did when i uploaded :/
13:35:47bluebrotherok. Well, I have a hack to make it work again. Unfortunately I don't know if that can cause any other breakage, but IMO we should at least for now go with that.
13:45:20BigBambibluebrother: anyone can fiddle with the bot IIRC
13:46:39scorcheindeed
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14:28:42peturwincent: you now have wiki write access
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15:23:16MTsaratoga : I took a quick look on the fixed point patches, The patches of interest would be cook_fixedpoint.h and your fixed point mdct, all functions are defined in the former file, correct ?
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15:46:19Grahackhi again, on <a target="_blank" href="http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-1030005.11.1">http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-1030005.11.1a> I read that setting up the alarm should shut off my iPod but it doesn't, and I can hear no alarm. I must manually shut it off, and then the alarm works.
15:49:18BigBambiGrahack: There is a comment in the manual source there saying "% TODO this isn't quite right for all targets, I think" :)
15:49:45BigBambiDoes anyone know which targets setting the alarm shuts down the player?
15:49:56BigBambi*for which targets
15:51:04Grahackgreat, if you want to know, my player is the iPod Video 80Go
15:51:32BigBambiOK, I'll just need to know for the other players with alarms and then I can fix it
15:52:52Grahackone question about your dev team: do you have a key-values of people to know what player they have, to do like polls ?
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15:53:22BigBambiwe have a list of people with a certain target so people know who to ask to test
15:53:34BigBambiBut there aren't really votes about anything
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15:53:58bluebrotherwasn't there a RockboxTesting page or something like that?
15:54:18Grahackwell, I said 'polls' but it wasn't about voting, just target specific questions
15:54:37BigBambiMost questions aren't specific to a specific target
15:55:03BigBambiRockbox tries to act the same (within hardware limitations) on all targets
15:55:46BigBambibluebrother: yeah, that's it - I couldn't remember the name
15:56:36Grahackabout targets: yeah I'm seeing this, and it's really great, both from a geeky-philosophical and a geeky-techy point of view :)
15:57:18BigBambiThere are two layers to Rockbox essentially - firmware which is target specific (drivers etc) and apps which is target independant
15:58:02moosGrahack: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KnowledgeMap">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KnowledgeMapa> and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting
15:58:07moosif that helps
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15:59:04GrahackI added myself to the list, the number of targets is impressive
15:59:51moosrockbox rules the DAP's world ;)
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16:01:37Grahackthanks moos
16:02:29moosyou are welcome
16:07:01Grahackabout the targets, I thought that since the team seems very well organized, there could be an automated way to retrieve target specific info, or maybe you just use the forums
16:07:29GrahackI found another minor doc issue: <a target="_blank" href="http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-910005.7">http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-910005.7a> Manage Settings section is at the end of the Settings menu on my player, after Recording Settings
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16:11:23BigBambiGrahack: yep, I'll fix
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16:20:30CIA-63New commit by 03alex (r20804): Fix order of Recording settings and Manage settings in the manual. Thanks to Grahack in IRC for pointing out.
16:20:54GrahackI was about to write: "ok guys, have fun, I'm not waiting for the CIA notice this time"
16:21:13BigBambihehe :)
16:21:17Grahackso have fun any way
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16:23:38BigBambiooops, I cocked that last one up
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17:38:17fenugrecMorning, is there anyone here working on USB for AS3525 targets ?
17:38:47fenugrec=> anyone tried registering on this site, <a target="_blank" href="http://synopsys.com/dw/ipdir.php?ds=dwc_usb_2_0_hs_otg">http://synopsys.com/dw/ipdir.php?ds=dwc_usb_2_0_hs_otga> , that would be the place to find documentation for the USB core
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17:40:46moosfenugrec: there is just one guy that recently began to work on it (funman), check forum or more informations/progresses
17:40:50moos<a target="_blank" href="http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.795">http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.795a>
17:41:19moos*or/for
17:42:48fenugrecI see
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19:00:33wincentpetur2: Thanks!
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19:12:15koolatronHi! I just installed RockBox on my ipod 5G. I like this a _lot_, just wanted to show up in here and tell you guys that I'm thankful for it.
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19:16:23happosadekoolatron: o/
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19:51:44fenugrecit seems no other easy-to-find SOC uses the same USB OTG core as the AS3525
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19:55:14fenugrec<a target="_blank" href="https://www.synopsys.com/dw/doc.php/ss/austriamicrosystems_ss.pdf">https://www.synopsys.com/dw/doc.php/ss/austriamicrosystems_ss.pdfa>
19:56:21Bagderhow can you know that from that pdf?
19:57:13fenugrecsorry, there was a missing piece of sentence : that pdf confirms that the 3525 has the HS USB 2.0 OTG core
19:57:36fenugrecI've tried looking for other SOCs that have the same USB core, but didn't find anything
19:57:44Bagderright, that's true
19:58:08fenugrecand as I was saying earlier, AMD's 5536 probably has an entirely different core (host only, no OTG)
19:58:15BagderI contacted synopsys...
19:58:27Bagderresponse:
19:58:33Bagder[that is nothing]
19:59:04fenugrechm, just no answer at all or "you're on your own, dudes"
19:59:20Bagderno answer at all
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20:01:25fenugrecI might try a document request using my university e-mail, without reference to Rockbox
20:01:39fenugrecunless that's against rockbox's principles ?
20:02:09Bagderif you get the docs for fine use, then we should be good.
20:02:29Bagderchances are very slim anyway, and if you get it you'll probably need to sign NDAs and stuff
20:02:35fenugrecI'll certainly give it a try
20:02:37fenugrecyeah, probably
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20:13:31fenugrecwell, I can download the two PDF files from <a target="_blank" href="http://www.synopsys.com/dw/ipdir.php?ds=dwc_usb_2_0_hs_otg">http://www.synopsys.com/dw/ipdir.php?ds=dwc_usb_2_0_hs_otga> but they're not really datasheets, more like detailed brochures
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20:21:50jhulstbluebrother: It is, problems?
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20:40:34bluebrotherjhulst: it seems you have zip version 3 running. I discovered issues with rbutil which are in fact related to zip 3 −− not an issue anymore, committed a workaround.
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20:49:28jhulstbluebrother: alright, It's just running Debian Testing, so sounds like that is the up and coming version...
20:51:19CIA-63New commit by 03dreamlayers (r20806): Remove workaround for <a target="_blank" href="https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10130">FS #10130a> from 5G iPod LCD sleep code
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21:49:49saratogahi MT
21:49:51MTsaratoga : Hi
21:50:04MTI discovered a bug in the converter
21:50:53MTall the samples that worked correctly had avg_packet_size = frame_size (using same parameter names of rm header)
21:51:40MThowever, today I tried a sample where packet size = 580 and frame_size = 564 and sub_packet_h = 14
21:52:38MTthe packet count was 1012, so the decoder should produce 1012 * (frame_size/sub_packet_size) frames
21:53:19MTsub_packet_size = 94 .. so we have 6 sub_packets (audio frames) within 1 packet (frame as called by rm)
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21:53:41saratogaMT: you're working out of the SVN repo at <a target="_blank" href="https://rm-wavconverter.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rm-wavconverter">https://rm-wavconverter.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rm-wavconvertera> right?
21:53:50MTyes
21:54:28MTI'm a bit sleepy right now, so stop me whenever you feel I'm talking gibberish :)
21:54:59saratogaso that code doesn't even use avg_packet_size right now except to print it?
21:55:17MTyes, and neither does ffmpeg's demuxer
21:55:56saratogaah so its probably just a hint for anyone trying to seek through a file
21:57:07MTwhen I tried converting this sample, I had to break the decoding loop whenever packet_count was < sub_packet_h
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21:58:29MTwhich would result in 4 extra undecoded packets ( and a 2-second difference between my output wav file and ffmpeg's)
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21:58:59MT1012 % 14 = 4 <−− extra packets
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21:59:50saratogai read through your wikipage and grepped the source code but i still don't really understand what sub_packet_h is used for
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22:00:01saratogaits just part of that weird scrambling formula?
22:00:37MTit also represents the number of _packets_ per one scrambling unit
22:01:21MTin this sample, h = 14 which would make 1 scrambling unit contain 14 packets == 14*6 sub_packets
22:02:20saratoga6 comes from which variable?
22:02:45MT6 is frame_size (564) / sub_packet_size (94)
22:03:52saratogaah ok
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22:04:17saratogawhen you get a chance could you put an example like this on the wiki? it'll help me in a week when I can't remember ewhat you just said
22:05:39MTsure
22:06:11saratogaso if I understand, then there are sub packets which are combined to form packets/frames (which are not always the same size?), and the packets are then scrambled together using that formula
22:06:25MTexactly
22:06:41saratogaframes are the MDCT transform blocks in cook.c right?
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22:08:09MTI believe yes
22:08:56MTbut frames here = sub_packets (again, some weird rm stuff)
22:09:30saratogaeach subpacket is about one frame?
22:09:38MTyes
22:10:06saratogahow confusing
22:10:18MTyes :/ ..
22:11:07MTthat's why input buffer always copies a block with size = sub_packet_size from the scrambling unit
22:11:19saratogawhats the point of having frames and packets as seperate units then? the decoder should work in untis of its "frame" variable, but if that corrisponds to a subpacket, whats the sense in having another frame variable?
22:12:01saratogado they have some sort of bit resivior where easily compressed frames can give bits to latter frames in the same packet?
22:12:59MTI'm not really following .. which frame variable are you referring to ?
22:13:17saratogasorry
22:13:54saratogaare subpackets always the same size?
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22:15:21MTyes, I'll ask merbanan to check, but I'm kind of sure they are
22:15:39saratoga(codec) frames aren't always the same size
22:16:02saratogaso probably what happens is that a subpacket contains no less then one (codec) frame, but can contain more then one
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22:16:24saratogaso the packet is probably made to contain a whole number of (codec) frames or something like that
22:17:32MTuhm, if this were true, wouldn't that result in a distorted output ?
22:19:18MTbecause every once in a while the decoder receives an 'incomplete' audio frame .. consequently it outputs an incorrectly decoded buffer ( correct me? )
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22:20:50MTthat wasn't the case with this sample however. The decoding was correct except that the duration of my output file was 2mins, 20seconds while that of ffmpeg's was longer by 2 seconds (which contained audio)
22:21:51saratogai haven't looked at cook, but I'd guess that the parser retrives whatever the smallest number of bytes that must contain an integer number of frames
22:22:06saratogaor else theres someway for the codec to give back bytes it didn't need to decode for a frame
22:22:50saratogathere has to be someway, since (codec) frames cann't all be the same size without wasting a lot of space
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22:25:47bertrikI think I found the FM i2c code for the c200v2
22:26:06bertrikit uses the same pins as the clip (B4=SCL, B5=SDA)
22:28:25MTsaratoga : I'll try converting the same sample with ffmpeg and see if there's any difference in the initialized parameters
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22:36:27CIA-63New commit by 03bluebrother (r20807): Bump rbutil version to 1.2.1.
22:38:16CIA-63New commit by 03bluebrother (r20808): Tag rbutil 1.2.1 release.
22:39:03bertrikfiguring out the display would be more useful for the c200v2, though
22:39:45MTsaratoga : just had an idea, maybe the few remaining packets are a fraction of a scrambling unit, so that I would construct another scrambling unit that would contain only the few remaining frames ?
22:40:09DjalalHi, i will like to know your opinion on Rockbox on iPhone... theoricaly is it possible to do it? i was thinking about an dualboot with the original OS
22:40:30BigBambiIt would make more sense as an app IMO
22:40:37scorcheDjalal: theoretical?...sure...but it would....what he said
22:40:54saratogaMT: sorry i need to run
22:42:08MTno problem, I'll try and inform you on any news
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22:45:10lucentrockbox as an iPhone app... neat idea anyways
22:45:39scorcheof course, it would have to be on a jailbroken iphone
22:46:38lucentsuch a thing is becoming the norm for some app designers
22:47:26lucentsad yet off-topic and true, most VoIP applications I looked at from commercial providers are requiring a jailbroken phone in the "How To" instructions
22:47:46scorcheif it is off-topic, then why say it here?
22:47:57lucentI'm done discussing it.
22:48:02scorche...
22:48:06lucentyou brought it up?
22:48:35scorchei brought up an on-topic discussion of how a rockbox iphone app would have to be
22:53:24lucenton-topic then, any clue why mp3 playback causes a reboot on sansa ams targets?
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22:54:57bertrikprobably a bug somewhere
22:56:23Lloreanlucent: The AMS players are still undergoing a lot of work.
22:57:04LloreanIf someone has a theory about what's wrong, they *should* post it in the forum to share with others working on it.
22:59:19lucentokay, forums are good to check then? thanks
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23:00:12LloreanPretty much all knowledge should either be in the AMS players forum thread in New Ports, or in the wiki pages specific to that port.
23:00:26LloreanUnless someone's not sharing yet (for whatever reason)
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23:02:21bertrikI haven't seen any spontaneous reboots on my sansa clip, I do occasionally see something that looks like a PCM hang
23:02:39bertrikthe m200v4 has a know bug where reboots occur when volume is high
23:02:48LloreanMy clip, with a build a few days old, froze on me about 30 seconds into the first song I played.
23:02:49saratogai've seen a neat pcm bug on the clip where a tone sweeps in volume as rockbox hangs
23:02:50LloreanNo reboot though.
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23:05:43lucentI've been able to play FLAC reliably on Sansa Fuze
23:06:44lucentshould it make any difference which MP3 encoder produces the file I am playing back?
23:07:15bertrikprobably not, I get occasional weirdness with other codecs too
23:07:39kugellucent: the mp3 reboot is resolved since some time
23:07:43bertrikmaybe VBR vs CBR makes a difference
23:07:59lucentkugel: I admit it has been weeks since I built and tested
23:08:25lucentkugel: any existing issue you want me to test on 8gb fuze?
23:08:39saratogadon't bother reported bugs in old software
23:08:43saratogaits very annoying
23:08:49kugelthen get up-to-date before chatting about in-development targets
23:08:53lucentokay
23:08:56lucentsorry about that!
23:08:59saratogasince people like I will assume you have the sense not to do it
23:09:39lucentwhen I tested the >1gb patch, it rebooted on an mp3 playback
23:09:51lucentso that's the last build I made and reported on
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23:10:00saratogayeah that was fixed ages ago
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23:13:00MTsaratoga : fixed ! \o/ .. I just have to correctly calculate filesize now which isn't a big deal.
23:13:26MTConstructing a partially filled scrambling unit worked
23:13:27saratogagreat!
23:14:04MTnow I can sleep ;)
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23:14:41bertriksaratoga, I think I've run into the sweep-like thing too , sounded quite weird :P
23:15:15bertrikby the way, thanks for enabling m4a's on the clip
23:15:22saratogakugel: is the SansaAMSHardwareMappings page up to date for the clip?
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23:15:26saratogasorry for the fuze?
23:15:41saratogabertrik: no problem, but i think only very short files will work
23:15:52kugelsaratoga: I think so, yes
23:16:20saratogaso it has way less port pins used then the clip?
23:16:45saratogadoesn't the wheel use several pins?
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23:17:08rasherbluebrother, domonoky: What's missing to fix the theme site?
23:17:35rasherbluebrother, domonoky: I gathered that you had fixed rbutil now?
23:17:39domonokyrasher: i added the missing targets, i hope i have done it right :-)
23:18:25rasherdomonoky: Ah, so it's just the text descriptions of the targets that need changing now?
23:18:27domonokybut now atleast the ipod mini1g needs to be renamed on the theme site.
23:18:39kugelsaratoga: up to date != comnplete :)
23:19:10kugelthe wheel doesn't use even 1 pin
23:19:10rasherdomonoky: Right, I haven't created a web interface for that yet, since it should happen relatively rarely.. I'll just fix them manually
23:19:19domonokythats fine.
23:19:48rasherI still think we should do a Big Target Renaming[tm] at some point, but we're good for now?
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23:22:03rasheruh oh, messed up
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23:25:01MTsaratoga : filesize is fixed too, now producing the same output with the same duration
23:25:38rasherdomonoky: should be good now.
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23:26:23domonokyrasher: then it should be fine now :-) did you check if i have done the m3 correctly ?
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23:28:03rasherdomonoky: Looks correct to me
23:28:37CIA-63New commit by 03bertrik (r20809): Enable FM radio on the sansa c200v2 (untested).
23:29:24fenugrecHas anyone tried the Fuze bootloader with version 1.02.26 of the OF ? or is the bootloader safe enough to not rely on OF versions..
23:29:54kugelfenugrec: yes, it worked for me
23:30:06fenugrecok thanks
23:30:31fenugrecI'm treading carefully here, as I'd rather not brick my nice fuze !
23:30:46bertrikfenugrec, I think mkamsboot will warn if you try a currently unknown version (but will allow you to proceed anyway IIRC)
23:30:53domonokyBagder: can you please move this: <a target="_blank" href="http://jdgordon.info/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.2.1.dmg">http://jdgordon.info/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.2.1.dmga> to the download server ?
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23:31:25bluebrotherBagder: w32 binary here (linux still building): <a target="_blank" href="http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/">http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/a>
23:32:31Bagderdone!
23:34:42lucentkugel: okay, today's SVN build works great on Fuze 8gb
23:35:05froggymandoes anyone think that support for the iPod videos Video decoder chip will ever be supported by rockbox? I know that there is missing documentation for it now, but could the OF video playback be reverse engineeded or isnt this possible?
23:37:55Bagderyes it can be RE'd
23:38:44fenugrecooh, got little pricklies in the neck here... forgot to copy .rockbox and got a "File not found" during boot
23:39:17froggymanBagder: so its just a matter of finding someone to take the time and do that then to figure out how the chip works at decoding?
23:39:27bluebrotherscripting on windows is a real PITA :(
23:40:02Bagderfroggyman: yes, that's the only little teeny thing left to do...
23:40:03lucenthm, can "Rockbox does NOT run on the AMS players, which the Fuze belongs to. " be updated on <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaFuze">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaFuzea> ?
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23:41:59bluebrotherlucent: it can be updated, but that is still correct −− it does not run from a users point of view. It does run once we provide builds
23:42:28rasherbluebrother: 64 bit linux build needed?
23:42:30bluebrotherit might be a good thing to be a bit more detailed on that statement though
23:42:44lucentokay, I'll let it be
23:42:46bluebrotherrasher: sure −− I only have 32 bit
23:42:56rasherI'll get on it.
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23:45:17bluebrotherBagder: linux binary uploaded
23:45:55Bagderdone
23:46:11bluebrother*gnah*
23:46:20*bluebrother spots that he forgot to strip the linux binary
23:46:30froggymanBagder:ok thanks, thats what i thought, would be cool to be able to play Mpeg4 videos on rockbox, hopefully it will happen someday
23:48:42bluebrotherBagder: updated linux binary to reduce file size ... can you move once more?
23:48:50Bagdersure
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23:49:43Bagdergetting that 3.8MB package to the download master takes 5 seconds
23:50:13scorchebluebrother: so does this release fix both the complete installation bug and the bit with the themes site?
23:52:15bluebrothercomplete installation bug? Which?
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