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#rockbox log for 2009-04-28

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00:03:58dfkti just converted two guinea pigs, err, friends to rockbox... they were so kind as to test my fuze compile :)
00:04:26dfktnow they can't believe what they missed with the OF
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00:07:45froggymanis it possible to install rockbox on an iPod 4th gen (not nano) without the administrator password?
00:10:03JdGordon|depends how much effort you want to put into it
00:10:46JdGordon|you could download a linux boot cd and run rbutil inside that, then you wont need the password
00:14:13froggymanthats what i thought, because i have a friend who isnt an admin on his computer and wants to give it a try, but i will just install it for him then. I thought about giving him one of my live CDs but he really isnt that great with computers and i didnt want to confuse hime
00:14:52evilnick_7Not an admin on his _own_ computer?
00:15:31froggymanwell, its his dads and well he isnt "trusted" as admin on it
00:24:38EternalRainscan you make an advanced custom livecd that will automatically do detection, rbutil, and all?
00:25:26evilnick_7EternalRains: How many people who want to use Rockbox wouldn't have admin rights on their own PC though?
00:26:13EternalRainsbut it would be awesome to have a crazy livecd that would do it all :)
00:26:20*EternalRains sets to work
00:26:27EternalRainsargh, windows
00:27:10evilnick_7Don't get me wrong, I like the idea but I'm not sure how useful it'd be
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00:58:47Lloreanevilnick_7: Honestly, it might be somewhat useful for Bootloader installs on some of our trickier targets.
00:58:57LloreanThere are a few installs that just don't work as well in Windows.
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01:01:36JdGordon|it shouldnt be too hard to do...
01:01:46JdGordon|the problem is having an outdated rbutil on it
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02:09:19jac0bI can't get ubuntu to notice my gigabeat. Can someone help me
02:11:44jac0bthis is all I get in dmesg
02:12:02jac0bIt comes up in windows but not in linux
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02:46:08jac0bcan anyone help with mounting my mp3 player
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02:46:36saratoga(looking at the logs) if its working in Windows but not in Linux something is wrong with your linux
02:47:03jac0bbut it mounted a couple days ago
02:47:07jac0band now it won't
02:47:51jac0band then my player is stuck on the USB screen and I have to manually reset it.
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03:00:57EternalRainsJdGordon: fetch dynamically?
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06:00:52*JdGordon grumbles... a/v reciver still says unsupported ipod
06:06:07LloreanYou sure it's compatible with older iPods? Maybe the protocol changed for the "Classic"?
06:08:40JdGordonit says its not... but we should be able to fake any protocol version
06:09:49JdGordonhave we got any way to log the commands as they come in?
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06:21:38LloreanJdGordon: Not yet, I don't think
06:22:43JdGordonwell, I mean, if our handling works for the newer ipods then we should be able to pretend to be a 5g instead of a mini
06:24:08LloreanWell, I don't know that we pretend to be anything yet, we just implement the parts of whatever version we know about
06:25:58JdGordonhmm.... my log file is empty so guess its time to fake the usb id's
06:28:10JdGordon:( so much for that then
06:30:05JdGordonnote to self.... fdprintf only works if you give it a fd :p
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07:07:29CIA-63New commit by kkurbjun (r20818): M:Robe 500: Rearrage TSC2100 reads to make touchscreen more reliable, add hack to get lcd_sleep working/called again, fix the panic handler so that it ...
07:07:44kkurbjunkugel, for the logs, it looks like the lcd_sleep functionality is broken, it doesn't work as is on the m:robe and I would guess that it is broken on the gigabeat as well (not sure about other players). If you could provide some insight on why it might not be working on the m:robe it would be appreciated.
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07:20:33CIA-63New commit by kkurbjun (r20819): M:Robe 500: Fix red, commit missing work, reduce lcd wakeup time.
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07:49:24mrkikoHi all!
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09:03:20kugelkkurbjun: how's it broken? It's clearly called on my e200
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09:06:35kugelhmm, I see
09:07:59amiconnkugel: The backlight handling change is a bit nasty. It takes away a lot of precision
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09:10:17kugelamiconn: no
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09:10:31kugelnot from what I've "messured"
09:10:58amiconnIt does. Simply subtracting n ticks after sleeping n ticks assumes that all threads always yield immediately
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09:11:49amiconnYou'll probably not notice when testing unless you cause heavy load (preferably by plugins not yielding often)
09:12:19kugelthen fix it there
09:13:26kugelthat's no reason to run code 100 times a second when it needs to be run per second only (not even that sometimes)
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09:14:09amiconnI didn't say that the timing can't be handled in a thread instead of a tick task. Just the way the calculation is done leads to loss of precision
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09:15:45kugelI've been testing with current_tick - last_tick, that didn't work any better (less actually, it happened to be 99 at times
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09:17:47kugeland this means (if it happens only once) that the timeout will be less than zero 1 second later
09:17:51amiconnI'd calculate the tick when backlight needs to shut off, and then use TIME_AFTER() to check for it
09:18:39amiconnThis may need special cases for always-on and always-off though
09:19:12kugelTIME_AFTER can't handle equality though
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09:20:37kugelalways-on and always-off are special cases already anyway
09:21:01amiconnWhy would it need to handle equality?
09:22:08RevengerI couldn't find anywhere on the rockbox site to add a feature request it is that the utility should check for a new version of itself on load and also in about there should be a check for update link
09:22:11kugelwhen the timeout is say 8 seconds, then you want backlight to go off in the 8th call (not in the 9th, since TIME_AFTER would be true in the 9th one, in the 8th one the difference is 0)
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09:23:58amiconnkugel: If you're really into *that* tiny difference, then calculate backlight_off_tick - 1. It wouöd still be more reliable than the current code
09:24:17amiconnThe current code might easily cause a set timeout of say, 10 seconds to become 15 or even more
09:24:29kugeland I've noticed that the timeout isn't always 100% precise (sometimes 99 ticks, sometimes 101) that's why I did substract the constant
09:24:53kugelthen fix the yielding of the code that doesn't do it on load
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09:25:06kugelthat should be done anyway
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09:26:56amiconnsleep(HZ) never guarantees that the thread wakes up after exactly HZ ticks. All it guarantees is that it sleeps for *at least* HZ ticks
09:27:07amiconnThe wakeup happens after the next yield-around
09:27:34amiconnAnd there is code that cannot yield for noticeable amounts of time, e.g. MAS i2c communication
09:28:06amiconn(well, actually it yields when waiting for the slowish ACK)
09:28:47amiconnAnyway, relying on behaviour that's not guaranteet is bad imo
09:29:19kugelI'll look into it
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09:37:41vpopeso i installed rockbox on my ipod video 30gb, and it works great except for constant and frequent connect/disconnects when connecting to a computer with the usb cable. i didn't see anything like this in the faq, manual, or known issues. i also tried uninstalling itunes (since it was bothering me every time about my ipod being formatted wrong), but haven't spotted anything. any hints?
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10:06:11Bagdercasainho's newly selected cpu is the exact same arm core as the previous one
10:06:19Bagderjust 10mhz slower clock
10:06:43Bagderbut larger caches
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10:57:41CIA-63New commit by kugel (r20820): Hopefully fix lcd_sleep() from not be being called for targets without fading at all and being and being called too early for backlight always of on ...
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10:59:30kugelkkurbjun: I think the lcd_sleep() hack can be removed again, but it would be nice if you double check
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13:43:55arpais there any progress in getting Rockbox to work on iPod Nano 2nd gen? i'd really like to get Rockbox running on it.
13:44:04Bagderno progress there, no
13:45:21arpaBagder: is it because there's no one working on decrypting/hacking the bootloader or does it just seem too difficult?
13:45:51Bagderthere's nobody working on it since the problem is hard as a steel wall
13:46:36arpai've been following lots of console hacking scene and i know PS3 isn't cracked because there's not much interest in that machine. Xbox360 (newer models) aren't hackable because they are built like undestroyable fortress (or steel wall like you said). :)
13:47:16arpai wonder how people jailbreak iPhone, but can't get 2nd gen Nano to work :(
13:47:46Bagderwell, quite simply because they have more people on the problem, and I believe they are also easier to poke on
13:49:34arpai just love Rockbox :) especially the .SID playing capabilities are nice.
13:50:06arpaare there any old C-64 sceners working on the Rockbox firmware?
13:50:12arpai remember hearing something like that.
13:50:32Bagderme, Zagor, LinusN were members of Horizon and did lots of C64 demos
13:50:41Bagderback in the late 80s
13:50:56arpahow about comeback?
13:51:47arpai'm in a Finnish C-64 group-.
13:52:21arpawe haven't released much though, but we have lots of stuff bubbling under as you might say.
13:53:42arpaHorizon is still active, but i guess you knew it.
13:54:14arpa ::
13:54:18arpavery nice releases
13:54:34Bagderwell, "still active" might be a bit too much to say
13:54:52Bagderbut yeah, some nuts never give in ;-)
13:56:37krazykit`arpa, i was under the impression new 360 drives would still take a firmware flash
13:57:22krazykit`er, sorry, clearly the wrong channel
13:57:41Bagderthey're so mixed up these days... :-)
13:58:05krazykit`i blame the people that talk about rockbox in the community channel :)
14:02:13arpakrazykit`: i mean running homebrew on Xbox360 *NOT* drive firmware hacks
14:02:58krazykit`seems like rockbox on the 360 would be overkill.
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14:03:06arpaKing Kong exploit was the only way to run homebrew/Linux etc, but Microsoft blocked it
14:03:13arpaeh. :)
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14:22:12arpaUser Comment
14:22:12arpaSubmitted by The Dark Judge on 9 October 2004
14:22:12arpaBagder himself send me this game a long time ago, asking me not to spread it. Well, I think 15 years of keeping my promise is not bad :) And hey, Jazzcat paid good money for it!
14:22:27BagderI know
14:22:42BagderI think it's a pretty lame excuse
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15:18:06webguest13hello, i just installed rockbox onto my iaudio x5. its working fine and i installed it with thro vista
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15:18:19webguest13just wated to say thanks
15:18:36evilnick_7Glad to hear that webguest13
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17:27:45gartralhey, anyone here running ubuntu 9.04 and cant get your dap to connect?
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17:30:36evilnick_7Which model do you have? ISTR that some Sansa c200 or e200 don't work consistently
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17:31:55gevaertsgartral: unfortunately ubuntu 9.04 has an interesting bug...
17:31:58gartralits an e250 v1 non R
17:32:16gartralgevaerts: heh.. ive noticed..
17:33:19gevaertsgartral: you may have luck with removing the sansa related chunks from /usr/share/hal/fdi/preprobe/10osvendor/20-libgphoto2.fdi
17:34:30gartralgevaerts: dmwsg keeps saying the sansa has bad internal memory...
17:34:45gartrals// dmswg/dmesg
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17:35:14evilnick_7gevaerts: Do you know if that affects all the Ubuntu versions (like Kubuntu, Edubuntu etc)?
17:35:49gevaertsevilnick_7: I'm pretty sure it does. It may also affect other distributions
17:38:05gartralgevaerts: thats all for mtp though, think it'll still work?
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17:40:10gevaertsgartral: ubuntu (or more precisely, hal and some versions of gphoto2) thinks that all sansas are mtp devices, even when they explicitely only are msc devices. There's not much we can do about that
17:43:17gartralgevaerts: ahh.. hal.. say no more, and thanks for the advice, ill try that
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18:03:25gartralgevaerts: thank you, worked beautifully!
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18:54:19saratogagevaerts: since gphoto2 apparently has fixed the bug upstream, would rebuilding it from svn fix it?
18:55:48gevaertsI'd expect so, yes
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19:33:50FlynDicebertrik: ping
19:34:07bertrikhi FlynDice
19:34:19FlynDicehey there
19:34:22FlynDiceyou seem to be the charging guru for ams sansa, any idea why I would get an empty battery icon and charging indication when I make dram cacheable?
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19:35:30bertrikFlynDice, maybe the communication with the codec is disturbed somehow
19:36:14bertrikthe codec part also handles a lot of other analog stuff besides audio
19:36:44FlynDicethat would make sense, playback won't work.
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19:37:41bertrikcodec communication does not depend on any specific delays, it simply polls a status bit IIRC
19:40:02FlynDicecan you suggest a start point for investigating, my excursions through the code have not really brought me through the codec mysteries yet... ;)
19:41:19bertrikthe codec communication is in ascodec-as3525.c
19:41:39bertrikmaybe you accidentally made some hardware register ranges cacheable?
19:42:16FlynDicewell I actually have looked there
19:43:13FlynDicewould there be registers outside the 0xc8000000 area shown in the datasheet?
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19:44:58bertrikyes, for example the VIC is at 0xc6010000
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19:46:33FlynDicewell yes, but nothing down around 0x30000000. I'm only caching 1-8 mb's from there
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19:49:26FlynDicethis is all with flat mapping also, I've left out the remapping activity for now
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19:58:49bodymindhei, i can't build the svn of sansa e200v2... anyone can help plz? :) tks in advance... the error is:
19:59:01bodymind/home/bodymind/devel/rockbox/rockbox/apps/filetypes.c:98: error: ‘LANG_FMR’ undeclared here (not in a function)
19:59:02bodymind/home/bodymind/devel/rockbox/rockbox/apps/filetypes.c:98: warning: missing initializer
19:59:02bodymind/home/bodymind/devel/rockbox/rockbox/apps/filetypes.c:98: warning: (near initialization for ‘inbuilt_filetypes[36].voiceclip’)
19:59:02DBUGEnqueued KICK bodymind
19:59:02bodymindmake: *** [/home/bodymind/devel/rockbox/rockbox/e200v2-firmware/apps/filetypes.o] Error 1
19:59:09bodymindsorry for the flood
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20:00:40FlynDicebodymind: I would try deleting everything in your build dir then start with configure again
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20:01:47bodymindi've made make clean... and rm * and ../tools/configure
20:01:49bodymindis it enough?
20:02:23FlynDicenope.. delete all the stuff in your build dir
20:02:42bodymindi had an old svn (like 2 or 3 months ago) ... just did a svn up.. is it a prob?
20:03:25bodymindyeah.. it build now... tks :)
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20:06:40BigBambibluebrother/domonoky: Are there are outstanding rbutil finds the e200 but not mountpoint issues? As it just did just that for me (linux 32 bit)
20:06:55BigBambiThe mountpoint has a space in the name if that makes any difference
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20:08:38JdGordon|bodymind: that looks like a missing #if CONFIG_TUNER somewhere
20:08:50BigBambiHmmm, and know "Extracting failed: Unable to create a directory.."
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20:11:21domonokyBigBambi: strange, is the moutpoint perhaps not writeable ? or try with a mountpoint without space in it. (it shouldnt be a problem, but who knows)
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20:11:38BigBambidomonoky: yeah, I'm just playing now
20:11:54BigBambiI'll let you know - probably something silly on my end :)
20:12:12bodymindJdGordon, nop, it was my fault... i didn't completely clean my build dir
20:12:23kugelbodymind: that's not your fault
20:12:32kugelthat's a flaw in the build system
20:12:41bodymindah right
20:12:56kugelFlynDice: have you tried marking only portions as cachable?
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20:14:42FlynDicekugel: yes, I've tried various amounts from 1-8mb, iram cacheable/not cacheable. Varying results but none very good.
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20:16:14kugelFlynDice: have you looked at a disassembly? maybe there's parts of the firmware/drivers that are in IRAM when other parts are in DRAM. I imagine that could cause problems with caching
20:16:25FlynDiceI noticed last night that when I cache any DRAM I get an empty battery icon and a charging indication, along with intermittant "codec failure" splashes
20:16:34kugel(parts that need each other that is)
20:17:21BigBambidomonoky: yes, mount only writable by root
20:17:25bluebrotherBigBambi: I use autodetection on my system with e200 all the time and it works fine.
20:17:28kugelFlynDice: are you always deleting your build dir? I was having problems with the iram activation patch (codec skipped songs), which where caused by build system issues
20:17:32BigBambifalse alarm!
20:17:36bluebrothermountpoint contains space.
20:18:18BigBambibluebrother: Any thoughts why it would have failed here? It was only writeable by root, but readable by everyone. Also, rbutil was run as root (or with sudo rather)
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20:18:46bluebrothersudo might indeed have been the issue ... have you tried running from a root shell?
20:18:57bluebrotherespecially root login shell
20:18:58BigBambino, but I can do
20:18:58kugelFlynDice: I'd think for the time being, you could also try deactivating the IRAM entirely which may make it easier to figure out the caching for DRAM
20:19:09BigBambiroot login is harder, I'd have to set it up :)
20:19:29bluebrothersudo su - :)
20:19:41BigBambioh right, I thought you meant actually login
20:19:49FlynDicehow would I deactivate the iram, size 0 in the *.lds?
20:19:52bluebrotheryou get a login shell via su -
20:19:59bluebrotherand scrap the sudo in that line ;-)
20:20:04gevaertsbluebrother: what's wrong with sudo -i?
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20:20:24BigBambiright, I misunderstood the terminology
20:20:26bluebrotheronly that (as I dislike sudo by itself) always forget about it :)
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20:20:53kugelFlynDice: setting the size 0 won't be enough (also codecs assume they're entirely in IRAM if IRAM is defined but with the size 0)
20:21:31kugelthis way I could make mp3 partly usable when it still rebooted
20:21:38BigBambiafter sudo -i trying to run rbutil gives "rbutilqt: cannot connect to X server :0.0
20:21:44bodymindnice new theme :)
20:22:41BigBambiAnyway, there is something else a bit funky up, as I can't change the owner of the mount point
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20:23:33kugelFlynDice: btw, I highly appreciate your effort. I wish I had more time to mess with it too
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20:25:03FlynDicekugel: who has time? this is OCD...;)
20:25:55FlynDiceobsessive-compulsive disorder for the english only police...;)))
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20:40:19BigBambibluebrother: domonoky: Not to worry, seems there was a filesystem problem at the route of it. After fsck.vfat it all works as expected.
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20:53:54archivatorI've been looking into fs#9292 and I can't seem to pinpoint what causes a really annoying bug. Every time I exit the plugin, rockbox would start playing noise .. Now, the plugin uses custom dsp processing (via DSP_MYDSP) and sets a different sampling frequency and number of channels, could the fact that it's not restoring the original settings be causing this behavior? In other words, what does DSP_MYDSP do?
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21:13:05domonokyarchivator: DSP_MYDSP means dsp_configure returns the internal dsp struct. and yes, not resetting the dsp settings could cause your bug..
21:14:38archivatordomonoky: What's the appropriate way to reset it? dsp_configure(dsp, DSP_RESET, 0) doesn't seem to cut it..
21:17:05domonokyi am not sure. in theory you should store the old settings before changing it. and reset it to those values at the end. but perhaps this should go into the plugin loader ?
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21:18:45domonokyDSP_RESET should reset the values to default. but perhaps rockbox expects other settings then this defaults ?
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21:19:18domonokyin apps\dsp.c around line 1300 ..
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21:24:19archivatorHmm, I'll try and do a memcpy of the old settings, that might do the trick
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21:27:54FlynDicekugel: Do you know if this is an error: in config-e200v2.h #define CPU_FREQ 75000000. For the clip and fuze this value is the more sensible 250000000.....
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21:33:45domonokyFlynDice: its wrong. but it should really hurt, a short grep tells me it isnt used for the ams targets
21:37:39FlynDicedomonoky: thanks, trying to check out everything that looks fishy but lack the expertise to know for sure
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21:52:04archivatordomonoky: I figured it out, I just had to *stop* (and not just pause) playback explicitly before doing any DSP reconfiguring.
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22:50:37CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:50:37*JdGordon| spots an active Bagder
22:50:44*Bagder hides
22:50:47JdGordon|my server is still on the wrong url
22:51:04JdGordon|its looking for use either or
22:51:08JdGordon|whichever you prefer :p
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22:55:27wincentQuestion to all knowledgeable people: Is there a comfortable way to supply additional compiler flags when compiling a plugin?
22:56:05BagderJdGordon: thanks, I've updated the info now
22:56:24JdGordon|which did you choose?
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22:59:57wincentNoone is knowledgeable? :-)
23:01:10JdGordon|my guess is to create a new subdir and have a Makefile in that? but I dont know the build system at all
23:01:25JdGordon|Zagor is who you want to tlak to for build voodoo
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23:40:20*moos think he have find how to pass this "File not found bug" for the beast installation \o/
23:40:32moosworking reliable
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