#rockbox 2009-04-29

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#rockbox log for 2009-04-29

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00:03:39	linuxstb	moos: ?
00:04:23	moos	Hi linuxstb, I get my beast back. Thanks to toffe82 here.
00:05:29	hillshum	Where in the tree is the database manual source?
00:05:54	JdGordon\|	manual/ *
00:06:39	hillshum	where?
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00:07:18	hillshum	(more specific?) it
00:07:22	moos	linuxstb: I encountered a lot of times and in various attempts, this "File not found bug" in the past. Like I encountered it a lot, I noticed that when it occured, the OF missed tocreate some OF files and dirs system, those "contents" dirs. Then if those files/dir are missings, impossible to boot rockbox, with this annoying "file not found"
00:07:31	hillshum	s in some subfolder
00:09:01	moos	linuxstb: it's reliable. Now I encountered it again and passed it when i copied the 3 .inf files generated by the inf-wizzard on the 2nd partition.
00:09:29	moos	And the bug vanish at each attempt, then I supose that fixe it :)
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00:12:11	moos	I buged jhMikeS a while ago to ask him if that could help him, and I tried the .tar method that failed too. Then to pass this, we did need to retry until magicly the OF recreates thos dir/files and then boot rockbox.
00:13:38	moos	linuxstb: don't know if that's comprehensible enough ;)
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00:15:03	moos	btw, I will try to find some time to help document the windows installation for the beast. Still not supported officially, the AMS will beat th beast support soon :(
00:15:56	hillshum	moos: you had plenty of time
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00:16:32	moos	hillshum: I whish I had, send me some if you have to share ;)
00:17:36	toffe82	you have two more players in the waiting list for official support : gogear 1630 and hdd6330
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00:18:04	moos	hehe :)
00:18:15	*	hillshum has only e200v2
00:19:50	*	moos will see what he can do to help the beast support, but now sleep :)
00:19:59	moos	merci again toffe82
00:19:59	hillshum	and really, where exactly in the latex source tree is the file for the database?
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00:22:17	linuxstb	hillshum: "grep" is your friend, e.g.: grep -ir "phrase to look for" manual/
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00:41:43	gman	Hello!
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00:42:46	gman	Wondering if anyone out there has any advice on how to increase the contrast on the videos I convert for my iriver H140 (ihp14). The videos are a tad washed out, and increasing the contrast on the device only darkens everything.
00:43:03	gman	I am using the ffmpeg script on the website.
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02:21:35	IrishFBall32	hey there all... i'm trying to wrap my head around the status page for the Creative ports... anyone around who knows enough about it to interpret?
02:24:35	scorche	sure: it doesnt work yet =)
02:25:22	IrishFBall32	lol
02:25:27	IrishFBall32	simple and to the point
02:26:01	IrishFBall32	if i'm to understand things correctly, the main development is happening for the ZVM, with the hope that the other players would follow closely?
02:27:56	scorche	i dont know...you would have to ask the people who are porting it...this may already be addressed in the forum thread about it though
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03:03:28	Unhelpful	moos: (whenever you get back) i've noted that the tar trick does not work if i have to create the /Content directory, unless i create it lower-case... i suspect some sort of weird case-related encoding issue, as the default vfat mount options on my system are iocharset=utf8
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03:28:58	saratoga	looks like merging the imdct into AAC did cause glitches, but they're so subtle I can't ABX them (matlab doesn't lie though)
03:32:18	froggyman	could someone help me with this topic: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21453.0
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03:34:17	linuxstb	froggyman: Does it work in Apple's USB mode?
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03:40:42	froggyman	linuxstb: it doesnt seem to work in either modes
03:41:07	froggyman	its actually very frustrating
03:42:12	saratoga	hmm seems i'm not using the correct window functions in FAAD
03:46:22	linuxstb	froggyman: I haven't read any of the pages, but it seems a common problem - http://www.google.com/search?q=songbird+doesn%27t+recognise+ipod
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03:53:03	froggyman	linuxstb: ok, then do you know of any other music managers, other than m. monkey or win amp that work well, and support itunes DB?
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03:59:13	FlynDice	should I be able to find as_mtx in rockbox.map. It is declared with this line in ascodec-as3525.c: static struct mutex as_mtx SHAREDBSS_ATTR;
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04:06:11	Llorean	froggyman: Questions for finding music managers that work for using the original firmware really aren't a Rockbox topic
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04:08:08	froggyman	Llorean: i meant the iTunes DB format, not the DB that it puts onto the iPod; you know that supports XML because thats how all my music is currently and dont want to switch over all the files; sorry for any confusion
04:08:24	Llorean	And again, the iTunes DB format has nothing to do with Rockbox either.
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04:10:32	froggyman	i guess you are right (like always); but do you have any other managers you might recommend
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04:25:55	martian67	froggyman, if you are using rockbox practially any media player with a media library works
04:26:01	martian67	its just a flat file
04:28:39	froggyman	martian67: i know, its just that i am having a hard time finding some of these programs, what are your favorites?
04:28:59	martian67	i use windows explorer
04:29:00	martian67	lol
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04:48:18	nixcamic	hey
04:48:30	nixcamic	im trying to get my ipod firmware from http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/
04:48:45	nixcamic	and i see two options
04:48:58	nixcamic	this is for a 60gb photo
04:49:09	nixcamic	11/1.2.1
04:49:21	nixcamic	and 5/1.2.1
04:49:32	nixcamic	what would be the difference between these two?
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05:00:24	nixcamic	i take it no one knows the difference between the different firmware revisions for the same ipods listed on http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ ?
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05:05:15	saratoga	nixcamic: this is a bad place to ask about things that aren't rockbox as well as links that aren't to rockbox
05:05:32	nixcamic	well
05:05:41	nixcamic	the link is mentioned in the wiki
05:05:49	nixcamic	and its needed
05:05:53	nixcamic	for me to install rockbox from a mac
05:06:00	nixcamic	and the person that runs the site is a rockbox dev
05:06:06	nixcamic	and is currently in this channel
05:06:27	nixcamic	so i figured this is a good a place as any
05:06:53	scorche	nixcamic: uh...no he isnt
05:07:03	nixcamic	ah
05:07:03	nixcamic	well
05:07:14	JdGordon	also.. it makes no difference at all if you're just going to install rockbox anyway
05:07:17	nixcamic	from reading the logs while searching for this problem
05:07:21	nixcamic	i got that impression
05:07:34	nixcamic	so if i flash my ipod with the wrong firmware
05:07:36	nixcamic	it doesnt matter?
05:07:47	scorche	and please stop substituting the enter key for punctuation...it makes it harder to unserstand you and is generally spammy
05:08:01	nixcamic	i was under the impression that that was kinda important :)
05:08:10	nixcamic	alright, I'll keep my stuff on one line
05:08:15	scorche	errr....understand ;)
05:09:28	nixcamic	well, perhaps I can phrase my question so that its more about rockbox then
05:10:10	Llorean	nixcamic: Worst case, picking the wrong one just means your iPod doesn't boot except in disk mode and you need to install the other one.
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05:10:43	nixcamic	So no matter how much I foobar my iPods firmware, disk mode will always work?
05:13:13	Llorean	The only way to screw up disk mode is to interrupt it while the iPod itself says it's updating and displays a progress bar.
05:13:20	nixcamic	ah
05:13:22	nixcamic	well
05:13:32	nixcamic	good to know, thanks
05:13:42	nixcamic	and sorry for putting stuff on multiple lines, bad habbit
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07:36:58	hupp3l	I get a failed to add bootloader error
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07:38:10	hupp3l	I don't really know where I am going wrong
07:40:38	hupp3l	[INFO] Reading original firmware... Error reading from disk: Data error (cyclic redundancy check). [ERR] Read failed
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11:19:05	MT_uni	saratoga : It seems like the only way to use this patch is to go through the diff file and just keep copying whatever we're interested in. I've just tried a quick go at this and it's not as complicated as I thought. It would be even better because then I know what has been added or deleted which would make debugging a little bit easier
11:19:59	MT_uni	so I think first would be to just change the type declarations in COOKContext, compile and run.
11:21:25	MT_uni	and will just keep modifying the codec with as small number of changes at a time as possible to make it compile and run correctly.
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11:28:33	linuxstb	MT_uni: Now might be a good time to prepare your first patch for Rockbox. It would add your code to SVN, but it wouldn't include it in an actual Rockbox build. There would just be a standalone test program to go with it (similar to "main.c" for the the FLAC decoder).
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11:29:09	linuxstb	IMO, it would be nice if the first version of the decoder you committed was as close as possible to ffmpeg's, so we can track the changes you make.
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11:29:30	linuxstb	Hmm...
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13:33:14	Topy44	long time no see :) (used to idle around here years ago)
13:33:42	Topy44	my iaudio x5l recently stopped working, and now i just got an iriver H340 pretty cheap on the fleamarket
13:34:14	Topy44	(at least i THINK it was pretty cheap. 28 euros together with a backpack that the guy was also selling...)
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13:34:28	Topy44	(with new battery put in 2 weeks ago)
13:34:51	Topy44	anyway, now i obviously need to install rockbox again :) and i see the installation process has come a long way since i've done it last...
13:35:02	BigBambi	the manual should cover ti
13:35:06	BigBambi	*it
13:35:07	Topy44	sure
13:35:21	BigBambi	and €28 is vert cheap
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13:35:24	BigBambi	*very
13:35:39	Topy44	good good :)
13:35:55	Topy44	its in pretty good condition - some minor scratches to the case, but not on the screen
13:36:07	Topy44	no accessories except for a usb cable and the crappy cable remote
13:36:10	Topy44	but who cares
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13:36:22	BigBambi	Have a look on ebay, they normally go for €150+
13:36:28	Topy44	oh, nice
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13:42:27	Strife89	What does one do if an image strip contains more than 26 images?
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13:42:37	Strife89	(For a WPS.)
13:45:04	BigBambi	two strips?
13:45:42	Strife89	The strip is for volume.
13:45:53	Strife89	Not sure how I'd do two strips for that.....
13:46:42	BigBambi	Why not?
13:47:19	BigBambi	%?pv<%xdMa\|%xdMb\|%xdMc\|%xdMd\|%xdMe\|%xdMf\|%xdMg\|%xdMh\|%xdMi\|%xdMj>
13:47:26	Topy44	yay! ok, i LIKE this little machine. it provides enough plugin power for my sp/audio technica mics that i use for live recording
13:47:30	BigBambi	er, that wasn' a full line :)
13:47:37	BigBambi	%?pv<%xdMa\|%xdMb\|%xdMc\|%xdMd\|%xdMe\|%xdMf\|%xdMg\|%xdMh\|%xdMi\|%xdMj>
13:47:40	BigBambi	dammit
13:47:46	Topy44	(which is the main use for the player, i dont really need an mp3 player, i mostly have it for recording concerts)
13:48:07	Topy44	one question, years ago rockbox had a "recording history" feature
13:48:19	Topy44	that displayed the stereo field and the volume levels over time
13:48:21	petur	Topy44: I assume you're not recording loud concerts?
13:48:32	Topy44	petur, i do, why?
13:48:41	petur	Topy44: that's the REP
13:48:47	Topy44	yeah, exactly
13:49:07	Topy44	was it ever updated? i remember when i checked last it hasnt worked for ages
13:49:10	BigBambi	Why not have e.g. %?pv<%xdMa\|...\|%xdMv\|%xdMw\|%xdMy\|%xdMx\|%xdMz\|%xdNa\|%xdNb\|%xdNc\|%xdNd\|%xdNe>
13:49:20	BigBambi	@ Strife89
13:49:26	petur	I'm still busy changing the REP to include in SVN
13:49:35	Topy44	i patched it into the then-current x5 build, worked surprisingly well, including AGC
13:49:36	Strife89	BigBambi: Ah, okay.
13:49:43	Strife89	I'll try that, then.
13:49:48	Topy44	petur, aah, you were the autor of the REP?
13:49:57	Topy44	back then i started working on it myself
13:50:04	BigBambi	Strife89: I haven't tried, but I don't see any reason it wouldn't work
13:50:11	Topy44	got it to a point where it worked for me and stopped :)
13:50:32	Strife89	BigBambi: Neither do I, now that you suggested it. :)
13:50:53	BigBambi	hehe :)
13:51:01	petur	Topy44: no, it is a combination of a bunch of patches from various people. My parts are already in SVN ;)
13:51:20	Topy44	anyway, i really liked that feature, as its unique, not even "professional" recorders have anything compareable, especially the stereo field display is GREAT for aligning the mics
13:51:48	Topy44	btw: is the gain setting hardware or software? so... if i reduce the gain enough, will keep the hardware from clipping?
13:51:48	petur	histogram is next and then maybe the recording timer...
13:51:57	Topy44	historgram, right, the word i was looking for :)
13:52:10	petur	gain = hardware
13:52:14	Topy44	great, thx
13:52:17	petur	part analog, part digital
13:52:54	Topy44	btw... would it be possible to have an external peak-LED, connected to one of the remote pins? since there is a function to blink the remote display, but the remote display is rare (?) and i dont need it anyway
13:53:10	Topy44	but i could just build a cable with a nice bright LED on it and stick it somewhere visible
13:53:15	petur	btw, for loud concerts I find the 3.7V plug power not enough, my mics are brickwalling. So I use an external mic amp (ST-9100 from church-audio)
13:54:17	Topy44	just 3.7v? hm... true, thats not really enough. i bought the soundprofessionals preamp together with the mics, but it stinks... batteries last long IN THEORY, but in real life it starts clipping when its not a brand new expensive brand name battery
13:55:05	Topy44	but since i never actually needed the preamp other then as a power supply i guess i could build a compact little power supply for them instead
13:55:06	Lss	what about those phantom power mics?
13:55:14	Topy44	what about them?
13:55:25	Lss	do they have a similar issue?
13:55:33	Lss	clipping
13:55:35	Topy44	you cannot use them with plugin power
13:55:38	Topy44	so its a non-issue :)
13:55:48	*	petur feels this is drifting off-topic and suggests the other channel...
13:55:51	Topy44	they need at least about 15V, 48V is the spec
13:55:54	Topy44	true
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14:00:31	Strife89	Okay, so I have this: http://pastebin.com/m5661f656 −−−−for this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21423.0 −−−− so far.
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14:06:42	webguest99	newbie lookin 4 rockbox help
14:06:46	webguest99	iRiver 340 here
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14:08:09	webguest83	hi petur
14:08:19	petur	what help do you need?
14:08:26	webguest83	need some rockbox help for my iriver 340
14:08:34	webguest83	can i msg u?
14:08:38	petur	no
14:08:44	webguest83	k
14:08:53	webguest83	installing 4 1st time
14:09:11	petur	you read the manual?
14:09:16	webguest83	updated firmware 1.29k to 1.31k
14:09:22	webguest83	yeah read manual
14:09:48	webguest83	when it asks for firmware file hex...what do i do
14:09:55	webguest83	i tried opening that file
14:09:57	webguest83	no joy
14:10:25	Topy44	[14:06] <webguest99> iRiver 340 here <== funny, bought one 1 hour ago :)
14:10:37	webguest83	they're gr8
14:10:38	petur	you give the patch program the hex file you normally put on the h340 to upgrade, and it will give you a new 'patched' one
14:10:53	Topy44	well, when i tried to load the 1.31 file it gave me an error too
14:10:56	Topy44	took the 1.30, works
14:11:06	webguest83	i'll do that
14:11:11	webguest83	just a sec
14:11:18	Topy44	i think the hash in the patcher for 1.31 may be wrong (or it doesnt support it at all?)
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14:11:46	webguest83	got greedy
14:11:47	webguest83	:)
14:12:19	*	petur consults the wiki
14:13:47	petur	hmmm could be that 1.31 doesn't work - use 1.29 or 1.30
14:17:11	petur	webguest83: is it working?
14:17:23	webguest83	had trouble with link
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14:17:27	webguest83	just a sec
14:17:57	webguest83	think its working now
14:18:07	webguest83	shouldn't have changed from 1.29
14:18:08	webguest83	:(
14:18:23	webguest83	thnx for ur help
14:18:25	webguest83	its worked
14:18:32	webguest83	(does dance of joy)
14:18:34	petur	good, have fun with it
14:18:40	webguest83	cheers
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15:30:05	LambdaCalculus37	libmtp-0.3.6 doesn't build in OS X... I can't build beastpatcher or mknkboot without it... :/
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15:49:04	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: Have you tried newer versions? 0.3.7 is now out.
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15:49:35	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Tried 0.3.7... same deal.
15:49:46	LambdaCalculus37	I've asked the libmtp mailing list for any ideas.
15:50:49	linuxstb	Have you seen the reply?
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15:51:48	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Yeah, he said to try this before I run configure: " export LDFLAGS=-framework\ CoreFoundation\ -framework\ IOKit\ -liconv"
15:51:49	linuxstb	Getting libusb building would seem to be the first step though, as libmtp relies on it.
15:52:07	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Can't even get libusb to build.
15:52:15	linuxstb	I'm sure that's built for rbutil...
15:52:41	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: I know, but if you can't build libusb, you'll never build libmtp...
15:53:19	linuxstb	e200rpatcher uses libusb as well.
15:53:43	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: And of course, e200rpatcher doesn't build here as well.
15:53:50	LambdaCalculus37	So I'd better get on the libusb ML and ask.
15:54:31	linuxstb	According to the e200rpatcher readme, you should just be able to do "./configure" and "make" to build libusb. But I'm assuming that no longer works?
15:56:01	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: ./configure craps out; I have to retrieve the error message it gives again.
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18:04:27	Strife89	So BdN3504 beat me to it, but I posted my code anyway in hopes I could be shown what I did wrong.
18:04:43	Strife89	For for future WPSes.
18:04:52	Strife89	s/For for/For
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18:27:03	Aforeffort	I formatted my 5G video iPod in MS-DOS (FAT32) and it has a mount point, but rockbox utility 1.2.1 comes up with error message "No Ipod detected / Permission for disc access denied!" when I try to install. How do I change the permissions on the disc, or other wise remedy this? Thanks.
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18:35:47	domonoky	Aforeffort: and you are running rbutil as root/admin ?
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19:01:09	preglow	has shotofadds been around lately?
19:06:12	LambdaCalculus37	preglow: Haven't seem him around.
19:06:56	LambdaCalculus37	preglow: Quick question while I have your attention... have you been able to get libusb and libmtp to build on OS X? I need them in order to build beastpatcher, mknkboot, sendfirm, and whatever else needs either library.
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19:10:48	*	LambdaCalculus37 wants to try and get beastpatcher and sendfirm working especially; he needs them to work on the Gigabeat T
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19:17:51	kugel	hm, I have a weird problem
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19:21:34	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: What's the problem?
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19:41:53	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: I have this function, and I can't explain why it is called
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19:44:07	CIA-63	New commit by saratoga (r20821): Fix FS #10174 by correcting an oversimplification of the AAC window switching code I introduced with the unified IMDCT library. Should significantly ...
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19:47:27	kugel	gdb doesn't really help too
19:52:52	bertrik	kugel, maybe it's disguised as a macro somewhere?
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19:53:34	saratoga	JdGordon: problem with your build server
19:54:17	JdGordon\|	arg
19:54:21	JdGordon\|	what sort of problem?
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19:54:57	kugel	bertrik: no, but it seems to be some inline weirdness
19:54:58	saratoga	check the build table
19:55:12	JdGordon\|	bah woops... forgot to reinstall libsdl-dev...
19:56:32	kugel	the trace shows that lcd_awake is called in _backlight_off (which is inlined) but it doesn't contain such a call
19:56:37	JdGordon\|	all fixed
19:56:40	JdGordon\|	someone do a commit :)
19:56:45	kugel	not inlining _backlight_off seems to help
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20:39:43	kugel	uhm, another problem
20:40:08	kugel	why doesn't this link
20:40:47	kugel	I created a new backlight-sim.c and added it to SOURCES. It compiles fine, but ld gives me many undefined references
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20:42:39	JdGordon\|	your funcs are lost in #ifdefs?
20:42:50	kugel	no
20:43:02	JdGordon\|	-?
20:43:25	kugel	as I said, it compiles fine. Like, I see CC backlight-sim.c and it creates a backlight-sim.o
20:43:52	kugel	adding a #warning within a function that is undefined referenced, it shows the warning too
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20:47:09	kugel	printing SIMOBJ, it shows up in the list of .o's that are AR'd to libuisimulator too
20:47:57	JdGordon\|	then you made a typo
20:48:38	kugel	where?
20:48:51	kugel	what kind of typo?
20:51:07	JdGordon\|	the type of typo where you make a typo somewhere that you typed
20:51:22	BigBambi	Listen to the master :)
20:51:33	JdGordon\|	that was so hard to type :)
20:51:45	*	JdGordon\| wore out the backspace key on that one
20:51:48	kugel	:'(
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20:53:37	kugel	moving some functions from another file into this (literally moving) the issue is away
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20:56:17	kugel	o.O this is weird
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20:58:04	bluebrother	domonoky: updated FS #10123. I'd really like to get that committed soon −− any comments?
20:59:44	sko	some e200v2 users around?
20:59:51	bodymind	i am
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21:00:22	bodymind	wassup?
21:01:16	sko	good... I updated FS #10151 few days ago, it would be good if someone can test it, I think it can be commited if no one finds any problems
21:01:36	bodymind	hm ok
21:01:43	sko	(it's about scrollwheel acceleration)
21:03:22	bodymind	which diff? 04b ?
21:04:08	sko	yes, the latest one please
21:05:50	kugel	why does moving lcd_active magically solve it???
21:06:49	gevaerts	order of files given to ld?
21:08:05	bodymind	sko, done... the scrollwheel is a bit faster?
21:08:43	sko	yes, it should jump over items if the wheel is turned faster
21:08:55	kugel	gevaerts: seems not to change anything
21:10:25	bodymind	sko, i think it's good
21:11:00	sko	bodymind: ok, thank you
21:16:36	Grahack	Hi guys, I'd like to talk about the picture in this section: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1260007.8. To me the moment when the crossfade starts is not well defined, except if you consider that (it's a guess) the track one ends when it's volume reaches zero. So to me, there should be the last horizontal blue line, since this track has stopped. What do you think ?
21:16:59	kugel	bodymind: the patch is nice?
21:17:36	bodymind	yes, i think the wheel is cool now
21:19:50	Llorean	Does the acceleration for v2 work similar to on v1 e200s (from a user perspective)?
21:19:55	*	Llorean doesn't recall if those skip items.
21:20:27	kugel	it does yes
21:21:01	kugel	however, on v2 the skipping is more obvious since the the wheel is polled and not interrupt driven
21:21:31	Llorean	kugel: Are the rates the same, at least?
21:21:37	kugel	(i.e. the v1 skips less items, but does that way more often) the effective speed is about the same
21:21:59	Llorean	I'd rather limit the maximum speed, and reduce the skipping. Jumping larger amounts can make it easier to miss things.
21:22:15	kugel	I can only tell about the fuze though, i don't know how it is/will be exactly on the e200v2
21:22:48	sko	unfortunately I can't compare it, because I have only a v2 and its my first rb-player
21:22:49	kugel	the speed isn't limited. on no scrollwheels
21:23:34	amiconn	Llorean: How would you limit the scrollwheel speed? Modding it with an electronically controlled brake? ;)
21:23:35	FlynDice	give me a couple of mins and I'll give you a third opinion on the e200v2.... nice break from mmu frustration
21:24:17	Llorean	amiconn: Limit the maximum number of entries it can skip?
21:24:56	kugel	limiting isn't an option anyway. skipping items and being less accurate if you turn it really fast is the price for needing only 4 turns for a 1k items list
21:25:07	amiconn	The only thing you can do against wheel readout hiccups when the wheel needs to be polled is polling faster
21:25:56	Llorean	kugel: Is it really necessary that you can go through a thousand items in four turns?
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21:26:04	JdGordon\|	sure
21:26:15	Llorean	Shouldn't you just scroll up once?
21:26:29	amiconn	The wheel acceleration in software is entirely unrelated
21:26:30	Llorean	Or divide your items up better?
21:26:36	JdGordon\|	and if you're in the tracks listing in the db and have way more than 1k?
21:26:51	kugel	yes. and why shouldn't we do it if we can? you need to be quick like a crazy for this. You couldn't be accurate at this rate even without acceleration at all
21:26:51	Llorean	If it's jumping 250 entries a turn by the end, it means you could have to spend as much time going back to the entry you missed as you spend going down there in the first place.
21:26:58	amiconn	Llorean: All tracks list in database? Nothing to divide there...
21:27:20	kugel	it's not skipping 250 items.....
21:27:24	Llorean	amiconn: Personally, I don't see a use for all tracks, I guess. I know what's on my player and how to get to it quickly without every having to see a list of everything and scroll through it.
21:27:43	Llorean	kugel: Sorry, 250 per turn.
21:27:46	Llorean	Moving 250 that is.
21:27:56	*	Llorean shrugs.
21:27:58	kugel	get a v1 and/or v2 and try it yourself before making any complains please
21:27:58	Llorean	Nevermind me.
21:28:02	Llorean	I have a v1
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21:28:24	Llorean	That's why I asked how it compares to the v1.
21:28:36	Llorean	You said it's more noticeable on the v2 than on the v1.
21:28:47	kugel	I have a v1 and fuze, they do about the same in the effective speed
21:28:59	kugel	had a fuze*
21:29:03	Llorean	It's the skipping I'm concerned about
21:29:12	Llorean	Notice I suggested making a change that would limit the effective speed to reduce the skipping...
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21:29:37	bodymind	do u want me to check the 250 items per turn? :o
21:29:45	kugel	you need 2 turn times per second or so to even start skipping.
21:30:00	kugel	the skipping isn't bad
21:30:03	kugel	not at all
21:30:18	amiconn	Llorean: Well I don't even use the database at all for selecting music. That was just an example for a long list which cannot be divided
21:30:33	sko	bodymind: i think its not possible, skipping rate is not that high at e200v2, or you must turn like crazy :D
21:31:16	bodymind	yeah.. :X LOL
21:31:40	kugel	sko: that's next to impossible. 250 items would mean repeat is 2000 or so
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21:31:43	Llorean	kugel: If you need such a hard to achieve rate of turning, why does skipping even need to be there?
21:32:10	kugel	yea, no need for scrollwheel acceleration
21:32:19	sko	kugel: the last patch uses the half of repeat, which gave the best results imo
21:32:39	Llorean	kugel: Okay, you said skipping only occurs at very rapid turn rates. Skipping != scrollwheel acceleration
21:32:51	kugel	Llorean: no, it's the same on v2s
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21:33:06	Llorean	kugel: But YOU said skipping only occurs at 2 wheel turns per second or faster.
21:33:16	Llorean	So which is it?
21:33:34	kugel	yes. if you are not so quick you're accurate. 1 item per "physical click"
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21:33:49	kugel	if you're faster it skipps and accelerates scrolling this way
21:34:00	Llorean	kugel: Okay, stop
21:34:07	kugel	or you just stop
21:34:14	Llorean	Does it require 2 whole rotations of the wheel per second to cause skipping to start, or not?
21:34:19	kugel	you have no idea about the internals
21:34:52	Llorean	Why don't you stop giving contradictory answers to questions then?
21:34:59	Llorean	Does it require 2 whole rotations of the wheel per second to cause skipping to start?
21:35:13	kugel	no.........
21:35:17	Llorean	Then why did you say it did?
21:35:18	kugel	read what I write please
21:35:29	Llorean	(2:29:26 PM) kugel: you need 2 turn times per second or so to even start skipping.
21:35:41	kugel	you can do 1 turn in half a second too
21:35:41	domonoky	bluebrother: one comment about your settings patch: you should prevent writing to a device setting.
21:35:59	Llorean	kugel: What do you mean by "turn" if not "a full rotation"?
21:36:10	kugel	I mean a full rotation
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21:36:35	Llorean	So you don't see "(2:29:26 PM) kugel: you need 2 turn times per second or so to even start skipping." as meaning "it requires 2 whole rotations of the wheel per second to cause skipping to start?"
21:36:45	kugel	whether you did a full rotation or not doesn't matter though
21:37:21	FlynDice	works ok for me, need a long list to notice the skipping and the action seems reasonable to me.
21:37:40	Llorean	kugel: "2 whole rotations per second" is a speed.
21:38:02	Llorean	It doesn't indicate that 720 degrees must actually be covered.
21:38:22	kugel	Can you come to the point?
21:38:37	kugel	I don't understand what you're trying to tell me
21:38:46	Llorean	I'm asking a question
21:39:28	Llorean	Which is the case? You've said "no" to something you yourself said.
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21:40:23	kugel	I still don't understand what you want from me
21:41:13	evilnick_230	kugel: I suspect that Llorean wants an idea of how much wheel movement causes the skipping in as much detail as possible
21:41:13	Llorean	Why did you say "(2:29:26 PM) kugel: you need 2 turn times per second or so to even start skipping." in response to my statement back then?
21:41:13	markun	kugel: don't you know Llorean by now? :)
21:41:53	Llorean	markun: Can you explain what he's saying to me then?
21:42:09	markun	Llorean: nope, haven't read what he wrote.
21:42:10	kugel	markun: apparently no
21:42:20	Llorean	markun: I'd suggest you do that before jumping in then...
21:42:26	bluebrother	domonoky: hmm, good point. Completely forgot about that :)
21:42:30	markun	thanks, but no thanks
21:42:50	Llorean	markun: Well, you shouldn't make jokes about a situation you don't have a knowledge of.
21:42:56	*	Jdgordon\|\| decides to butt in
21:42:58	markun	or else?
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21:43:11	Llorean	Fuck it. Good night all.
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21:43:20	Jdgordon\|\|	seriously why is there an argument... if it works then put it in
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21:43:51	kugel	Jdgordon\|\|: that's what I'm wondering too (hence I didn't understand what he wanted from me)
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21:56:28	Dreamglider	can i play avi files on rockbox ?
21:56:44	JdGordon\|	no
21:56:52	BigBambi	Dreamglider: MPEG1/2
21:56:55	Dreamglider	What video files can it play
21:57:02	Dreamglider	Ok
21:57:07	pixelma	see manual
21:57:09	BigBambi	Dreamglider: see www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
21:57:36	Dreamglider	and what audio format's can it play ?
21:57:41	markun	many!
21:57:55	Lss	what audio format do you want it to play
21:57:57	Dreamglider	ok
21:57:59	Lss	that would be faster
21:58:13	markun	Dreamglider: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status
21:58:16	Dreamglider	flac, ogg and mp3 mostly
21:58:23	pixelma	depends on your player... ;) and I might be repeating myself - see manual
21:58:39	Lss	pretty much covered
21:58:52	Lss	what device do you intend to use rockbox with anyway
21:59:15	Dreamglider	i installed it on my Ipod video 5th generation
21:59:36	Lss	i see
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22:26:38	Dreamglider	i just converted a file from avi to mpeg but it does not show up in rockbox, what am i dooing wrong ?
22:27:05	BigBambi	what is the show files setting set to?
22:27:42	Dreamglider	i dont know, where do i see/set it
22:28:05	bluebrother	are you using the database or the file browser?
22:28:25	Dreamglider	file browser
22:29:37	bluebrother	set Settings / General Settings / File View / Show Files to Supported
22:32:30	Dreamglider	it's at Supported by default
22:32:51	Dreamglider	the ext on the mpeg files is mpg
22:33:04	pixelma	where did you copy the file to?
22:33:46	Dreamglider	to the ipod /movies/
22:33:54	Dreamglider	i see the directory
22:34:12	bluebrother	and you have entered the directory I assume?
22:34:27	Dreamglider	im inside the dir
22:34:57	Dreamglider	i set the show files to All and now i see the files but when i klick on the nothing happends
22:35:10	bluebrother	ok, what player are you using?
22:35:14	bluebrother	and which build?
22:35:34	Dreamglider	Ipod Video 5th gen latest release of Rockbox
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22:38:37	bluebrother	latest release meaning 3.2?
22:39:22	Dreamglider	yes 3.2
22:40:33	BigBambi	How did you convert the video?
22:40:58	BigBambi	And you did convert it to MPEG 1 or 2 with the correct resolution and audio codec as detailed by the wiki page I mentioned?
22:41:11	Dreamglider	with FFmpeg
22:41:18	bluebrother	does "doesn't show up" mean its not playing or not showing in the file browser?
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22:41:39	Dreamglider	the file shows up, but when i klick it nothing happends
22:41:51	BigBambi	And what resolution is it?
22:42:05	bluebrother	ah. That means it's not a browser thing (or filesystem) but something different.
22:42:15	*	bluebrother thought of the former first
22:42:25	Dreamglider	i have no idea about the res
22:42:39	BigBambi	You should have input that when you encoded it
22:43:06	BigBambi	It needs to be at least as small as the LCD
22:43:15	Dreamglider	so it can only playback files with specified resolution ?
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22:43:20	pixelma	by the way, you will probably have more fun watching videos in the original firmware with the Ipod Video
22:43:27	BigBambi	Dreamglider: Did you read the page I linked?
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22:43:51	pixelma	although it should work of course
22:44:35	Dreamglider	BigBambi: No i didnt notice it
22:44:39	Dreamglider	ill have a look at it
22:44:52	BigBambi	Dreamglider: Cool, it has lots of information for you on it
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