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#rockbox log for 2009-05-04

00:01:01scorche|shmotionman95: please stop always announcing when you are gone and gets annoying...
00:01:55motionman95Sorry...I just was thinking that if I was talking to someone, and had to leave...but I guess that's a bad idea. :/
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00:12:14[1]froggymanwhy isnt the gigabeat S a supported target, currently?
00:13:07toffe82[1]froggyman: there is not a simple install and missing the manual
00:13:48[1]froggymanohh, ok
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00:20:41motionman95I think SVN may be down. I run "svn update" and I get the error "svn: Unknown hostname ''"
00:21:21Bagderworks fine here
00:21:32Bagderand that's a DNS problem, not really svn...
00:22:25gevaertsBoth dns servers work fine
00:23:46motionman95My mistake...
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00:25:12ChubbzHello, I'm having trouble getting the rbutil to work under Linux 64 bit
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01:20:41fizekuli need a little help with installation on gigabeat s30
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01:21:52fizekuli have compiled sendfirm in ubuntu, then when i try sendfirm nk.bin, i get the result: libmtp version: 0.3.0 No devices.
01:22:51fizekuldmesg just keeps on giving me this [ 3159.812021] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 4 , which i assume is the mp3 player
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01:55:21fizekulactually it appears that the dmesg is the what my wireless card is outputting. the gigabeat is actually not being recognized at all by ubuntu. does anyone know why this would be?
01:58:57kugelfizekul: 9.04?
01:59:24kugelubuntu seems sort of broken w.r.t to usb. Did you install the latest updates?
02:00:10fizekulyes it is 9.04
02:00:42fizekuli just installed ubuntu last night and downloaded the freshest updates this morning
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02:05:39fizekulnow i'm kind of worried for the gigabeat. i just connected it to a windows 7 computer that i'm running, and nothing happens there either. i also tried two different usb cables.
02:06:07fizekuli forgot, do i have to put it in some kind of "mode" so that it can be detected by the computer?
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02:16:14Unhelpfulamiconn: so, you think a YUV->RGB scaler output might be a good idea? it shouldn't be hard to do at that stage, i'll just have to add or overload a parameter for YUV output, and the more i think about it, the more i think the savings are worthwhile, since the scaler itself doesn't have *any* per-input-pixel multiplies
02:17:07fizekulthanks for the help. i think my problems are actually hardware related and not software. ill just have to take this thing apart now.
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02:32:58Lloreankugel: The 9.04 USB problem (as far as is known) only applies to UMS devices that Ubuntu expects to be using MTP
02:33:06Lloreankugel: The Gigabeat S OF would not be a category of thizs
02:34:55LloreanIt's not a general issue of Ubuntu being broken with regards to USB, but rather a very specific issue with how libgphoto decides when to try to use MTP
02:37:59saratogai'm checking out the latest libgphoto2 now to see if it goes away with an update
02:38:35Lloreansaratoga: Well, gevaerts went to their IRC channel, and they committed a change that was supposed to fix it.
02:39:11kkurbjunkugel, I saw your message about the backlight fading; thanks for putting together the wiki on it. I had a question though: what is the reason for differentiating BACKLIGHT_FADING_SW_HW_REG and BACKLIGHT_FADING_SW_SETTING? It seems like it would be less complex to have one define along with dummy functions for players that don't specifically need _backlight_on and _backlight_off
02:39:22saratogayeah just struggling now with their install directions
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02:40:10kkurbjunI might misunderstand how the two are used, but it would seem better to have the dummy functions there anyway in case someone decides to disable backlight fading in the config.h file
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02:42:00kugelkkurbjun: have you seen the 1 part where HW_REG is different? You can't dummy/stub _backlight_set_brightness() I think
02:43:44kkurbjundon't they both use _backlight_set_brightness?
02:45:07kkurbjunI'm looking at the sansa e200v2 vs. the cowon x5 and they generally seem to be the same setup
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02:45:41kugelkkurbjun: HW_REG needs an additional call
02:45:44saratogaany idea if libusb support is required in gphoto ? i'm guessing it is but the version ubuntu comes with is apparently too old so I'm not sure if they build with it
02:46:17kugelkkurbjun: you can't do that on SW_SETTING as it would turn the backlight on again
02:46:34motionman95Has anyone seen the patches I've added to the Flyspray? Thanks for the suggestion of setting it up myself, Llorean!
02:46:46kugelsaratoga: gphoto is fixed as of a few days ago iirc
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02:48:07kkurbjunkugel, on the x5 it looks like two different registers are written to
02:48:08saratogakugel: yeah i know but installing it is another thing enitrely given that ubuntu seems quite far behind libgphoto in terms of dependencies
02:48:13Lloreanmotionman95: You've admitted in both tasks that there's still a lot to do. I imagine a lot of people will be more interested in them once they're closer to being in a good condition.
02:48:47kkurbjunon the gigabeat also you can write to the brightness registers with the backlight turned off and it won't turn it back on
02:48:53motionman95Llorean: Good point...
02:50:02kkurbjunand on the targets that are set to "setting" it wouldn't be a problem either
02:50:12kkurbjunsince your setitng the brightness to 0 anyway
02:50:21kugelit will on as3514 though
02:51:20kugelthere's no seperate register for backlight on or off
02:51:26kkurbjunit's writing 0 in there too
02:51:44kkurbjunis your min brighness not set to 0?
02:51:44kugelno, as3514 (the codec used in the v1 sansas), that one is in the as3525 too though
02:51:54kugelbacklight is controlled over i2c on the codec
02:52:09kugelyes, but writing the lowest level will turn it on
02:52:26motionman95Llorean: I not sure what you mean by "both tasks" because I only said that in one...:/
02:53:22motionman95Whoops, I correct myself...I forgot what I had written...
02:53:25kkurbjunon the v1 it looks like it does the same thing
02:53:33Lloreanmotionman95: You said the key locking one lacks keymaps for any target but c200. While in the other one, you mentioned that it really doesn't do much yet since it requires the one theme config file to be in the same folder as it, etc, et.c
02:53:41kkurbjunwries a 0 into the brightness register
02:54:00motionman95see previous post...
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02:54:06kugelkkurbjun: It's not about turning off
02:54:28kugelit's about writing the lowest level into the register so that it starts with lowest brightness on the next fading up
02:54:48kugelbacklight.c line 464
02:54:56kkurbjunyeah, I'm looking at it
02:55:41kkurbjunon the hw reg version you call turn off, then write a 0 in there (which is still a turn off for "setting")
02:56:18kkurbjunthe only way I see it not working is if the MIN_BRIGHTNESS_LEVEL is set to something other than 0
02:56:19saratogachecking out libgphoto2 from svn and compiling from source fixed the sansa e200v1 mounting problem for me
02:56:24kugeland then you need to write 1 to it
02:56:34kugelfor the next fade up
02:56:47kugelMIN_BRIGHTNESS is always > 0
02:58:05kkurbjunok, that makes sense then
02:58:45kkurbjunwhat about using a MIN_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING and an OFF_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING instead of two defines for the hw_reg and setting?
02:59:33kkurbjununless 0 is not valid for all targets
02:59:48kugelwhat would that change?
03:00:01kugelthis: _backlight_set_brightness(MIN_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING); will be broken on e200
03:00:20Unhelpfulsaratoga: i believe you're one of us who has some understanding of DCT/IDCT?
03:00:26kkurbjunI was thinking of either hard setitng that to 0 instead of 1
03:00:35kkurbjununless you can't write 0 into all of the registers
03:01:02kkurbjunor hard setting that to off_brightness_setting as a define to eliminate some of the ifdef stuff in backlight.c
03:02:31saratogaUnhelpful: yeah some, why?
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03:04:51Unhelpfulsaratoga: it's related to the 16-point extended DCT that the JPEG decoder is using. it adds some extra blockiness, i believe because the DCT "thinks" of the endpoints of the block as continuous with each other. the best solution i've got so far is to only use it on chroma channels, so it will not be very obvious
03:04:59kugelkkurbjun: that won't work on HW_REG
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03:05:20kugelyou need to write the lowest level which is still backlight, not 0
03:05:26Unhelpfulthis woud mean the decoder can't upscale non-subsampled images x2, but that's not a big deal.
03:05:45kkurbjunhmm, why is that?
03:06:24kugelask the manufacturers :)
03:06:35saratogaUnhelpful: let me make sure i understand, doesn't jpeg use 8x8 blocks?
03:07:38kkurbjunwell, I guess I'm wondering what the effect would be, it looks like there are two separate registers for the x5 and h300 (h300 actually uses a gpio to turn off)
03:08:23Unhelpfulsaratoga: it does. the downscale-on-decode modes use 2x2 and 4x4 IDCT on the top-left portion of the file DCT data. *this* seems to work great. the upscale case is an optimized version of a 16-point IDCT, with the "missing" coefficients filled out with zeroes.
03:08:51kkurbjunkugel, that says to me that you could write a 0 in there since there is something else that is actually turning it off
03:08:55saratogai don't see why you'd use a DCT to upscale though
03:09:02saratogaisn't that very slow verses time domain interpolation?
03:09:35kugelkkurbjun: MIN_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING is also > 0 since it's used it the settings when you chose your brightness
03:10:20kkurbjunyep, that makes sense I suppose if you don't want the backlight to turn off on you
03:10:31kugelI'm not sure if 0 will work. I don't own such a target
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03:14:38kkurbjunkugel, looking at the pcf50606 datasheet it looks like you can write a 0 in there and the duty cycle will just be set at 0/16
03:14:54kkurbjunin efffect being off
03:14:57Unhelpfulsaratoga: the optimized 16-point IDCT is 28 multiplies. the 8-point IDCT is 12, with probably about 1 multiply per input and per output point to do linear scaling up.
03:16:14kkurbjunthat covers the h300 and x5 at least, I'm not sure what the d2 has
03:16:49saratoga28 multiplies to calculate a 256 point transform?
03:16:56saratogaor is this the 1D case?
03:17:23kugelthis would be done in _backlight_off() then though (making the call unecessary). I don't know what the d2 exactly has, but it looks very similar to the h300
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03:17:36saratogaso basically you take 8 points, pad to 16 points and do an inverse transform but it looks blocky
03:17:44saratogai wouldn't expect that but let me see what matlab thinks
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03:18:06kkurbjunkugel, it looks like backlight off for the x5 and h300 do some additional power saving measures
03:18:41kkurbjunbut it still looks like the two defines could be combined if that backlight brightness was hardcoded to 0 instead of MIN
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03:18:51xathulluIm having getting my computer to recognize my 80g viedo ipod. Ive tried a few diff OS. Anyone heard of this?
03:19:03kkurbjunlooks like the d2 is the pcf5606 also
03:19:38kugelkkurbjun: only if 0 for _backlight_set_brightness works. And then it should be done in _backlight_off which means we don't need MIN_BRIGHNTESS_SETTING to be 0
03:21:09kugelalso, h300 ORs the value with 0x01, i.e. it will always be at least 1 even if MIN_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING is 0
03:21:24kkurbjunkugel, that is setting a pwm on bit
03:21:28Unhelpfulsaratoga: keep in mind, that's not a "true" 16-point IDCT - it knows that 8 of its coefficients are 0 ;)
03:21:46saratogaUnhelpful: I tried doing this in matlab using an FFT and it actually looks quite bad like you expect, but I'm not grasping why
03:21:49kkurbjunso you could have the pwm on but with a duty cycle of 0 it won't be lit
03:22:48kkurbjunthe off is taken care of in a different register on the x5, and on the d2 and h300 it is a gpio
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03:24:18kugelso, take pcf50606_write(0x35, 0); into _backlight_off() and pcf50606_write(0x35, backlight_brightness | 0x1); into _backlight_on() might do it
03:24:20Unhelpfulsaratoga: i believe it has to do with the assumed continuity of the endpoints. it's very, very obvious if you put a simple 0->N ramp through the process, you can see that it flattens at both ends
03:24:45saratogaUnhelpful: yeah thats one problem, but I also see ringing about my ramp
03:24:51saratogawhich confuses me
03:25:39kkurbjunkugel, I think they are powering down more with the gpio to add to the savings when its fully turned off
03:26:02kugelyea, I meant adding, not replacing :)
03:26:34kkurbjunoh, I see what you mean
03:26:44kkurbjunyes, I think that could do it
03:27:13kkurbjunor just set the min brightness in the backlight-target.c file and then the define isn't needed
03:27:30kugelbtw, backlight_brightness is a global, you don't need a copy of it in the backlight driver (the mr500 has one)
03:28:44kkurbjunthe variable
03:29:08Unhelpfulhrm... ringing comes about when you're not messing with the transform size because of terms that have been changed by quanization (in the lossy compression case). i wonder how it would be showing up here, clearly half of the frequency components *can't* be there because they never existed :/
03:29:13kkurbjunthanks for the heads up, I'll take that out
03:29:58kugelwell, but you want to #ifdef the code in backlight_on out then
03:30:27kugel(see sansa c200/e200 backlight driver)
03:31:17saratogaUnhelpful: i guess in my case since I'm using the FFT and zero padding I'm breaking symetry and thus getting a non-real inverse transform, which is probably why I get the ringing
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03:32:55kkurbjunkugel, it's working fine now, but I guess that's a consequence of how backlight.c calls it
03:33:17kugelwhat did you do?
03:34:04kkurbjunso, to be clear do you agree that the hw_reg and setting defines could be combined into one, or am I still missing something?
03:34:19kkurbjunwell, it fades fine in and out
03:34:22kugelbacklight_brightness holds the value of the settings (the value passed to backlight_set_brightness), not the value that was written to the hardware at last (not the value passed to _backlight_set_brightness, which the fading calls)
03:34:24kkurbjunwithout an ifdef
03:34:41kugelyou should be noticing glitchy fading up :/
03:34:41kkurbjunyeah, I know
03:34:50kkurbjunit seems to be working ok
03:35:14kugelhm, on e200 without that #ifdef'd out, the brightness goes to the normal level before fading up
03:35:28kugeldue to the initial _backlight_on call
03:35:29Unhelpfulmm. i had hoped that using an inverse DCT-I might help, because of DCT-I's different assumptions about the extension of data outside the sampled region... didn't really make a big difference, just looking at the numbers, and other bad things happen, as well... i wonder what taking the middle 16 values of, say, an 18-point IDCT might do? probably better results on a ramp, but worse in many realistic cases...
03:36:08kkurbjunyeah, that makes sense, I wonder why it's not causing a problem on the m:robe, but I see your point, I'll throw it in there for good measure
03:36:11kugelyes, I of course agree to collapsing both fadings. this subtle difference always made me unhappy since it creates ugly #ifs
03:38:27saratogaUnhelpful: trying this with a real dct (just realized matlab could do them) actually looks quite good, just a bit of inflection on the last and first samples
03:38:31saratogais that really visible?
03:39:35Unhelpfulit is in luma... when only the chroma channel is upscaled this way, i don't find it terribly distracting.
03:41:14saratogathe 18 point truncated to 16 point actually looks very good
03:43:00Unhelpfulsaratoga: hrm... how about on things other than the ramp?
03:44:07saratogaUnhelpful: i think it should be fine for everything
03:44:14saratogawhich DCT is jpeg using?
03:44:52kugelkkurbjun: I'm wondering how the fading looks like on the mr500. 127 brightness levels, and a huge screen. sounds awesome :)
03:45:11UnhelpfulIJG's tools don't have expanding IDCT in 6b, only reducing. 7pre uses the same expanding IDCT i used, but it doesn't have an 18-point for me to steal :/
03:45:17kugeloh, and #define MIN_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING 0 should really be 1
03:45:34saratogaUnhelpful: libmad has an 18 point DCT type 4
03:46:13saratogashoot wrong flavor then
03:46:23Unhelpfuloh, you mean which type? JPEG is type 2, which has type 3 as an inverse
03:47:27saratogahmm sdctII in libmad sounds promising, if not for that s
03:48:36saratogaah "scaled DCT type 2"
03:48:40saratogasounds like what you want?
03:49:47Unhelpfulif it's inverse...
03:51:46saratogayeah its inverse
03:52:30*Unhelpful looks to see if he already has libmad sources...
03:53:49saratogaUnhelpful: they're included in rockbox
03:54:11Unhelpfuli wasn't sure how much we've messed with them.... i don't see any but i*m*dct?
03:54:30saratogaactually i'm not sure if I understand the DCT well enough, so maybe its not the inverse? I thought the DCT-II is the forward and the DCT-III is the backwards?
03:54:40saratogathey're in layer3.c
03:55:50Unhelpfulsaratoga: the DCT-III is the inverse of the DCT-II. they are commonly used, and DCT-II is sometimes referred to as "the" DCT, and DCT-III as "the" IDCT.
03:56:49saratogaso the jpeg decoder actually needs a type 3 DCT?
03:57:21Unhelpfuland this looks like one: void sdctII(mad_fixed_t const x[18], mad_fixed_t X[18])
03:57:51saratogayeah but thats the forward transform then, not the inverse
03:58:09saratogaoddly enough it seems you can compute the inverse DCT 4 via a forward DCT 2
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03:58:43saratogafor some reason I thought the decoder needed the forward transform, but that wouldn't make sense
03:58:58Unhelpfulwith post-processing, or are they each other's inverses like 2/3?
03:59:53UnhelpfulJPEG seems to use the variation given under "Some authors further..." here:
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04:33:30evilwombatHello. Where might one find the archos recorder schematics? I've got a unit that won't charge following wrong polarity and would like to fix the issue. Finally got the replacement charge controller chip, but I remember there being a BJT involved?
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05:23:20AidanSonodaApologies for resorting to IRC, but I'm having some trouble creating voicefiles (particularly for archos recorder, but also tried iPod 4G) with the utility (rbutilqt.exe on winxp). I was able to do this on the iPod last week, but when I attempt it now I get "The downloaded file was empty" in the pop-up dialogue. Google turned up a pair of mailling archive entries from march but no answers.
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05:37:09AidanSonoda−− incidently, I can generate .talk clips (for directories & files) with the same settings. So I assume this has something to do with the file containing the list of menu entries to be voiced.
05:44:47cool_walking_I'm trying to get a 240GB HDD working in a Gigabeat S, and I get the "file not found" bootloader error. As suggested on GigabeatSInstallation, I tried using a tarred build, but when the bootloader attempted to extract it, all the files had (can't remember exact wording now) "can't create file"-type errors.
05:44:50cool_walking_I have compiled both the bootloader and build with "#define HAVE_LBA48" in config-gigabeat-s.h, but in bootloader USB mode, the second partition shows up as only ~128GiB.
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06:25:44evilwombatseriously, where did the archos recorder schematics go?
06:25:55evilwombatlooked at twiki and my xchat logs, can't find it ..
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07:14:19linuxstbevilwombat: ?
07:14:31evilwombatlinuxstb, thanks!
07:15:57linuxstbcool_walking_: The original firmware works fine with that disk?
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07:16:46cool_walking_Dunno, haven't tried.
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07:17:15cool_walking_Give'us a bit, I'll try it soonish, but I'm multitasking.
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07:31:27BiptoNhey there folks, how would i go about requesting to re-open an old task?
07:32:21LloreanIs it a bug that's come back?
07:32:33LloreanThose it's generally acceptable to start a new task for.
07:36:16BiptoNit's the same recording issue i experienced over two years ago on my 4th gen ipods and my 5.5 30gb
07:36:27BiptoNactually every ipod i could test recording on
07:36:39BiptoNnow i have an 80gb 5.5
07:36:53BiptoNand it's the EXACT same noise
07:37:10LloreanWhat SVN revision are you using, and what's the original FS number?
07:37:41BiptoNi tried the latest stable 3.2
07:37:50BiptoNand a 3 day old svn build
07:38:04BiptoNi was just about to test an svn i built an hour ago
07:38:21LloreanPlease do testing on the builds we provide, rather than ones you compile.
07:38:30BiptoNi built it without headphone detection
07:38:35BiptoNthose were your builds
07:38:43BiptoNthis is the first one i've done
07:39:00BiptoNthe noise is still on the right channel as before
07:39:00LloreanRegardless, any future testing should still be done with ones we provide.
07:39:14LloreanAre you recording from the same source, or have you tried different sources?
07:39:19BiptoNi'll elave out any info on home builds
07:39:23BiptoNdifferent sources
07:39:27BiptoNdifferent codecs
07:39:37BiptoNwav and wavpack
07:39:43BiptoN44.1 and 48k
07:39:55BiptoNline-in and headphone jack for source
07:40:09LloreanDifferent *source* not different inputs.
07:40:21BiptoNyou can get the noise if you just start recording with or without any mics
07:40:28LloreanAs in, used a different mic or audio player to record from?
07:40:29BiptoNonly different mics
07:40:45BiptoNbut like i said
07:40:50BiptoNyou don't need a source
07:40:54LloreanPlease don't break sentences across lines.
07:40:58BiptoNthe noise is there when you fire up
07:41:43LloreanPost a new bug, give detailed directions on how to reproduce the issue with current SVN builds then.
07:42:13BiptoNwill do, thank you much.
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09:04:12*Llorean wishes non-developers wouldn't update the MajorChanges page.
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09:35:41robin0800This post appears under rockbox utility this is clearly wrong but if subject matter is true a bug report is needed
09:36:46cool_walking_I think it may be a simple hardware issue (RAM come loose)
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10:36:55J-23does MP3 playback work on v2 Sansas?
10:37:15LloreanNot reliably.
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11:26:19martian67_Llorean, just market it as a quantum software advance
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11:41:31AngryToasterGood evening, I am having some trouble with my H10 and installing Rockbox. I've installed the latest iriver firmware, and installed Rockbox as per the manual's instructions, but am still receiving the "System Files Missing" error on startup. I have double checked I've done it correctly with no avail. Any assistance would be appreciated.
11:41:59LloreanWas it working before you installed Rockbox?
11:42:11LloreanWhich method did you use to install?
11:42:38AngryToasterI've tried the complete and minimal options (used the iriver restore program after each attempt).
11:43:27LloreanSo you're using RBUtil?
11:43:46AngryToasterDownloaded it from the website last night.
11:44:38LloreanAnd which H10 do you have? is it UMS or in UMS mode?
11:45:57AngryToasterIt normally says MTP on startup, but after I used the iriver firmware upgrade tool it says PFD.
11:46:27AngryToasterI booted it into the mode it requires by holding the "o" button as instructed.
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11:46:36AngryToasterfor each attempt to install.
11:46:36LloreanAnd which H10 do you have?
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11:46:58AngryToasterits a 20gig,
11:47:06LloreanDoes rbutil correctly auto-detect it?
11:47:07AngryToasterdo you need the FCCID or anything?
11:47:31AngryToasterit didnt the first time, but seemed to recognise it each subsequent attempt
11:47:46LloreanOn subsequent attempts, the .rockbox folder was probably still there.
11:47:57AngryToasterI formatted the drive completely each attempt.
11:48:41LloreanHave you tried the manual installation instructions?
11:49:41AngryToasterNo I have not. Will give it a try now.
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11:59:48ihphello.. maybe u have old ihp-120 EU firmware.. I have not & iriver support page is deleted.. thx for help (tip)
12:01:30ihp(1.60 version)
12:02:20BigBambiihp: check">
12:02:40ihpfok.. cool
12:02:44AngryToasterFantastic, that's done the trick. Appreciate your assistance, Llorean. Have a good evening!
12:02:49ihp2 days search :)
12:03:00ihpty much
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13:57:57kugelkkurbjun: :/
14:04:34CIA-63New commit by kugel (r20850): CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_FADING is always defined, so better ask for BACKLIGHT_NO_FADING.
14:05:32UnhelpfulZagor: i seem to have found, or created, a dependency problem. apps/plugin/lib/pluginlib_bmp.c isn't rebuilt when recorder/bmp.c changes :/
14:05:58ZagorUnhelpful: I'll take a look
14:08:21Unhelpfulhrm... well, i think part of it is created. that include, in my local branch, depends on HAVE_BMP_SCALING.
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14:17:08Unhelpfulit appears that it doesn't appear in make.dep if the include is conditional, even if the condition is true (i've added a #define HAVE_BMP_SCALING to all targets with HAVE_ALBUM_ART in their config-target.h)
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14:24:25ZagorUnhelpful: I'd rather suspect it's due to the ../.. path
14:24:34kugelUnhelpful: do you include config.h?
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14:32:32UnhelpfulZagor: changing that didn't help.
14:32:41Zagorwhich target are you testing on?
14:33:14ZagorI just tried with archos recorder and I get a dependency for "apps/plugins/lib/../../recorder/bmp.c" in make.dep
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14:39:16UnhelpfulZagor: i believe the condition for the include in SVN is LCD_DEPTH == 1? i'm not sure why changing that should keep it out of make.dep. i'm testing on ipod4g sim, and it doesn't include it in make.dep if the include is conditional on HAVE_BMP_SCALING, whether or not that's defined. and config.h is included. :)
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14:40:54kugelisn't 4g greyscale or even color?
14:41:27kugeli.e. wouldn't it build the scaler in the core anyway?
14:42:03BigBambi4th Gen greyscale and 4th gen colour a.k.a. the Color/Photo :)
14:42:26Unhelpfulkugel: the point is that i'm trying to make the scaler in core optional. and it works fine except for some dep issues
14:43:41kugelZagor: is the fuze already in the way?
14:44:19Zagorkugel: ehrm, no. it's here on my desk. I've been away a week, I'll try to get it out today.
14:44:41kugelah ok
14:46:46UnhelpfulZagor: i see the same thing here. very odd. i wonder why it can figure out #if LCD_DEPTH > 1/#else and not #ifndef HAVE_BMP_SCALING...
14:48:09ZagorI would think it's something where that define is set, rather than in the condition
14:48:21Zagoris the patch available?
14:48:55Unhelpfuli can make it so ;)
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14:52:39Unhelpfulthe good news is that aside from the deps issue, there seems to be no problem making JPEG and BMP scaling independently optional - core can be built without either, and the disabled feature becomes available in pluginlib, with read_image_file using the pluginlib version instead of core :)
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15:14:55kugelZagor: can you take a look at r20830 please? libuisimulator.a apparently needs to be linked twice
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15:15:45blaggercould some1 help me ?
15:16:02Zagorkugel: ???
15:16:11BigBambiblagger: Only if you ask a question :)
15:16:49kugelZagor: see what I did to uisimulator.make. I got a whole lot of undefined references at linking
15:17:34blaggerI've been trying to get this installed on a ipod 8gb nano
15:17:50LambdaCalculus37And Rockbox won't work on the 8GB nano.
15:17:57blaggerbut ipopatcher keeps telling me no ipods dected
15:18:17LambdaCalculus37Because Rockbox does not work on newer nanos; only the 1st generation model.
15:18:23BigBambiblagger: See the list of players Rockbox works on at
15:18:46blaggerfrig it why do i always get stung with hardware that cant be hacked :(
15:19:32blaggerthere seems to be so many generations its hard to tell which one u have
15:20:58blaggerwill they be developing a system for the 3rd gen nanos?
15:22:23BigBambiOnly if someone that wants it does the work
15:22:42BigBambiBut it is a hard proposition - encrypted firmware being the first major problem
15:22:52blaggerwhy does it run on the 1st gen but not the 3rd gen?
15:23:08froggymandifferent hardware, they are completely different
15:23:23blaggerpitty even tried to load it in Unbuntu thru a virtual machine in VMware
15:23:47BigBambiIt doesn't matter how you try - the different generations of nano are completely different internally
15:24:08LambdaCalculus37And the firmware is encrypted, and no one has figured out the encryption yet.
15:24:12froggymanif you just so happen to be an encyrption god, you might be able to help get the port started though
15:24:28blaggerlol dont think so
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15:24:58blaggerbut thanks for your help been trying for hours to get it loaded now i know why it wont ever work :(
15:24:59froggymanthen you probaly wont be able to help to much
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15:33:47gevaertsLinusN: rumours have it that you have X5 joysticks. Is that still true, and if so, could I get one?
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16:37:25UnhelpfulZagor: ...apparently i was working too early. surely the ipod4gray will not follow my edits to config-ipodvideo.h :/
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16:39:34Unhelpfulalso, removing the relative include should not be a problem, you made sure filenames were unique ages ago because of conflicts between the pluginlib's bmp.h and the core one. since this amounts to a code/include cleanup, i may as well get those, too.
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17:11:12Unhelpfulnow that i'm not stupid about which config.h i'm editing, any general objections to HAVE_BMP_SCALING and HAVE_JPEG?
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20:26:40BigBambidomonoky: rbutil question - when rbutil gives the unsupported ipod prompt, is it possible to tell exactly which one? So it could i.e. say "Sorry, this is an 6th Generation Classic" or somesuch?
20:27:05BigBambiIt might help spell it out to people
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20:28:57domonokyBigBambi: only if we would have the USB-IDs of all unsupported ipods..
20:29:27BigBambidomonoky: There aren't too many I guess - 3 gens of nano and the classic (+ shuffle maybe)
20:30:16BigBambidomonoky: As it is we not infrequently get people still thinking they have a 5th gen, or 1st gen nano and querying rbutil - perhaps if we were more specific it might help
20:30:53domonokyBigBambi: to be more exact, currently it cant do this. it just stores "unknown ipod target", But it would be possible to extent it.
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20:31:15BigBambidomonoky: Perhaps a thought for the future :)
20:31:58domonokymaybe add it to the rbutilDev wiki page, so it doesnt get forgotten ?
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20:36:26BigBambidomonoky: Would you prefer it as milestone 2 or 3 (or seperate)?
20:36:57domonokyi think it would fit under 2. But do as you like :-)
20:37:12BigBambiI think 2 too, I just didn't want to tread on your toes :)
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22:09:37Unhelpfulhrm... worth ~2.4KiB to add a greyscale scaler to color targets to make loading greyscale jpegs faster? seems like it's not really going to be a common case...
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22:10:11BigBambiUnhelpful: It is just speed, they otherwise work fine?
22:10:22BigBambiAnd how much faster? :)
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22:11:40Unhelpfulmake the scaling stage (but not decode) ~3x faster, since it's scaling in greyscale, then copying to the r/g/b channels, rather than the other way around. i don't see people with color devices having a big pile of b/w jpegs on them, but maybe somebody does :P
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22:12:22BigBambiI wouldn't have thought it was very common, no
22:13:03Unhelpfuli suspect it's dead code that won't be used much, and my efforts are better spent elsewhere.
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22:14:49froggymanis work being done getting a MTP mode for rockbox?
22:15:29BigBambinot currently
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22:15:47BigBambiAlthough there is a GSOC project that should lay some good groundwork
22:16:14BigBambiA possibly get on to it, not sure about that
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22:20:37froggymanok, because if a MTP mode were made that would easily double the programs that rockbox could use for music transfer
22:21:30BigBambiI think you will find that the vast majority of the devs use copy and paste or rsync or something
22:21:34Unhelpfulthere are ones that don't support MSC?
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22:21:57BigBambiNo idea, I dislike music management stuff
22:22:32Unhelpfuland some of us use overly complex python scripts. ;)
22:27:25froggymanI prefer having a setup where i can have my playlists change when connected, but right now i havent found a decent program to do this so now i use the windows explorer approach
22:27:59froggymantried MM but dont really like it, but anyways I am getting off topic
22:32:25*evilnick wonders if a page in the Wiki that shows what people use to manage their music collections might be useful
22:32:45BagderI think there already is such a page
22:33:12BigBambiI think someone started one, and then was questioned as to why it belongs in the Rockbox wiki :)
22:33:52evilnickDid the reply "because this gets asked so often" not suffice? ;)
22:35:19BigBambiI can't seem to find it now
22:37:43BigBambiMaybe it never was created
22:38:33evilnickPlus it'd give people something to aim for as regards geekiness! "I want to be just like gevaerts" (for example)!!
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22:51:44mik3hey fellas
22:51:47mik3(and ladies)
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22:52:07mik3can anyone tell me really quick if it's possible to make my rockbox device play random tracks from different folders?
22:52:17evilnickyes it is
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22:52:31mik3ok cool thanks
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22:52:50BigBambimik3: Make a playlist of everything on the device, then turn on shuffle
22:52:59BigBambiOr insert the folders you want shuffled
22:53:16linuxstbOr use the database...
22:54:47mik3oh right
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23:15:27coolrockHi, I want to upgrade, what files and folders do I need to backup?
23:16:17BigBambinone, just overwrite
23:16:31BigBambiIf you want to back up first, then backup the .rockbox folder
23:16:49coolrockThank you
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23:35:25froggymanwhat parts of the rockbox code is written in assembler?
23:36:02saratogavarious bits
23:36:15saratogacodecs, some drivers, some of the init for the various CPUs
23:36:29saratogaanything that can't be expressed easily in c or would be too slow
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