#rockbox 2009-05-05

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#rockbox log for 2009-05-05

00:00:27	BigBambi	anyone else had m68k gcc fail to build on debian testing 64bit?
00:00:29		Quit petur ("Zzzzz")
00:01:13	BigBambi	The other three were fine, but m68k failed with: http://pastebin.com/m2841f39f
00:01:23	pixelma	I think JdGordon had some problems recently (with one of his build servers), not sure which system that is though
00:02:10	BigBambi	hmmm
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00:03:09	JdGordon\|	BigBambi: yeah, I cant build m68k on ubuntu 9.04 amd64
00:03:21	JdGordon\|	same error
00:03:25	BigBambi	aha
00:03:41	BigBambi	So it isn't just ubuntu, but debian too
00:03:45	JdGordon\|	I aksed in #gcc but didnt get much help... dead quiet in there
00:03:54	BigBambi	(i.e. not an ubuntu specific issue)
00:04:13	JdGordon\|	no, amiconn had a similar issue with cygwin also...
00:04:31	BigBambi	bugger
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01:22:40	amiconn	BigBambi: Exact same problem as on Cygwin 1.7.
01:23:22	amiconn	I doubt that it's the native gcc, because Cygwin 1.7 still uses gcc 3.4.4 by default - same as current Cygwin 1.5.
01:23:51	amiconn	It's either a missing tool, or some other thing than gcc in a too new version
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01:31:15	froggyman	is it possible to compile rockbox under iPodlinux's bash terminal?
01:31:36	soap	I've been out of the loop for a little over a week, so please excuse me if this has already been covered in IRC, but why is jpg album art not listed as a "major change"?
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01:32:53	xevious_	i just tried to install rockbox on a 80gb macpod, but i'm getting rockbox.ipod not found
01:33:11	xevious_	i tried the automatic installation from rockbox utility and i tried a manual install
01:33:20	krazykit	rockbox won't work on a macpod. it needs to be a winpod
01:33:25	xevious_	i followed the directions for converting to fat32
01:34:02	krazykit	have you tried booting into the apple firmware and unzipping a build into the root of the device?
01:34:05	xevious_	i've been dealing with partition editing and dd for years, so i know i didn't mess anything up with any of those commands
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01:34:19	xevious_	krazykit: yes i have
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01:34:31	Travis	Hello!
01:34:39	xevious_	you mean just holding select+play and going into disk mode?
01:34:42	krazykit	so you see, for example, /mnt/ipod/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod ?
01:34:51	xevious_	yes
01:35:15	krazykit	and the apple firmware works?
01:35:25	xevious_	sure does
01:35:39	xevious_	i havent tried loading anything into it using itunes though
01:35:47	*	amiconn points soap towards http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
01:36:07	Travis	I am having trouble finding out if the Sansa Clip is supported. Is it supported by Rockbox?
01:36:10	krazykit	xevious_, then i'm stuck. hopefully someone more familiar with ipods will come around
01:36:16	krazykit	Travis, do you see the clip on the front page?
01:36:31	xevious_	krazykit: thanks for trying to help :)
01:36:41	Travis	grrr
01:36:42	Travis	nm
01:36:45	Travis	sorry for bugging you
01:36:54	soap	dang it, I misspoke. You're absolutely right it isn't on "major changes" - I expected to see it on "Project News", though, being as it is one of the most requested features in my memory.
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01:40:23	Llorean	soap: I'd say if aa-in-metadata is coming any time soon, it can just wait for that before going to project news.
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01:42:05	soap	I must have missed much, That has been discussed seriously?
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01:44:34	Llorean	Well, jpeg is the big part of it.
01:45:06	Llorean	My understanding at least (based solely on Unhelpful's comments as he looked into it) was that aa-in-metadata is actually a very minor thing on top of it
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01:52:32	Unhelpful	Llorean: i don't think it should be hard, but i don't know our metadata parsers at all. basically, for any tag format that stores the image data completely unmodified, the parser will need to store an offset in the struct mp3entry. the AA search function can return the file's own path immediately if this offset is non-zero, and then the metadata is loaded by passing the offset and filename to bufopen with TYPE_BITMAP
01:53:17	Unhelpful	erm, that last metadata should be "image", it's been a long day.
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02:00:27	*	Torne wonders what the best way to lightly prod people to look at a patch is :)
02:01:17	Llorean	Torne: Is the patch complete and working well?
02:01:42	Torne	looks to be
02:02:00	Torne	i'e had it in my build for months and a few people on the tracker commented
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02:02:25	Torne	i mean not that anyone except me uses my build but hey
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02:02:51	Llorean	Did you write the patch?
02:02:54	Torne	yah
02:03:01	Llorean	Which one is it?
02:03:15	Torne	FS #9730, support loading rockbox from OSOS on ipod
02:03:53	Torne	enables a method of isntalling rockbox that's slightly fiddlier but boots 800ms faster
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02:04:38	Llorean	How does it improve on the method in the first comment on the task, exactly?
02:04:52	Torne	it's faster
02:05:11	Torne	apple's loader is more efficient at loading than ours
02:05:24	Torne	becaue it doesn't ahve to parse a real FS or load potentially fragmented files
02:05:39	Llorean	Well, wait.
02:05:45	Llorean	How can dual booting happen without our loader?
02:05:50	Torne	it still has the loader
02:05:56	Torne	not using the loader is even quicker, of course
02:06:14	Torne	you put rockbox, with the rockbox loader appended, in OSOS
02:06:26	Torne	apple loader loads both into ram
02:06:33	Torne	our loader checks which os to boot
02:06:43	Torne	but if it decides to boot rockbox it can then jus branch back to 0
02:07:00	Llorean	You probably want to talk to linuxstb about this patch then.
02:08:19	*	Torne nods
02:10:18	Torne	actually, hm, my comments on the tracker entry seem to lack the actual summary :)
02:11:08	Torne	i linked to the timing spreadsheet but forgot to actually say what it said :)
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08:41:30	*	Bagder is skeptic on how the Lyre player project is turning
08:42:47	GodEater	Bagder: where were you not a skeptic ? :)
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08:43:15	Bagder	yes, but he actually managed to get something decent going recently
08:43:28	Bagder	and now this turn
08:43:44	Bagder	I think he'll abandon that and get back to Atmel soon
08:43:47	GodEater	Bagder: he just insists on learning everything the hard way
08:43:56	GodEater	yes, I suspect you're right
08:44:03	GodEater	he may yet produce something useful
08:44:21	Llorean	Well, if I understand, he's not doing the other non-Atmel thing, someone else is?
08:44:38	Bagder	right, I find the whole insisting-on-LPC thing very odd
08:44:51	Bagder	Llorean: yes, but he'd do the code I think
08:45:19	GodEater	I was wondering if he was angling for a "please help me out with some rockbox funds" in there. But maybe he's not that subtle.
08:45:21	Bagder	and nobody gets the first version of the board done entirely correct
08:45:51	Bagder	"the first try to build the main board will cost not less than $500!! and that if it fails he will desist from this project"
08:46:09	GodEater	forced to wonder "why bother?"
08:46:09	Llorean	I guess part of the problem is that we aren't seeing what Matt's actually saying?
08:46:19	GodEater	very true
08:46:26	Llorean	Maybe he's got a reason for liking it that just isn't getting passed on to us.
08:46:31	GodEater	it would be nice if all these people would chat on the forum thread
08:46:32	Bagder	that, and there's casainho's eagerness to start selling
08:47:43	GodEater	I think that's where he's going to be in for his hardest learning bump
08:48:23	Bagder	yeah, competing against the big boys with this only benefit that it is "open"
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08:48:45	GodEater	and masses of things we said "don't do this - do this" in it
08:48:55	Bagder	that too, yes
08:48:58	GodEater	which he blythely ignored
08:49:17	Bagder	possibly some of those change now that "Matt" does the board
08:49:26	GodEater	go Matt!
08:49:55	Bagder	I think he mentioned a decent lcd for example
08:50:27	GodEater	oh good
08:50:33	GodEater	I've not bothered researching the details much
08:50:41	GodEater	since I figured casainho didn't care much what we thought
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10:18:34	GodEater	mt: he's around somewhere - maybe just AFK for the moment.
10:20:41	linuxstb	mt: Hi.
10:23:20	mt	linuxstb : Hi , I've found out that init_vlc() (in bitstream.c) uses realloc in building vlc tables .. I tried using bitstream.c from wma but it gives seg fault.
10:26:32	linuxstb	I think you just need to remove the call to realloc, and make sure the static size is big enough for the worst case.
10:27:19	kugel	or we get this malloc into the codec lib :/
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10:27:37	Bagder	it's better to not use realloc
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15:32:00	ajb	Does the simulator build need to have a zip install to test codecs?
15:32:09	ajb	i.e. if you are tweaking them
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17:41:21	saratoga	what does the check for taginfo_ready in the codec_main functions actually do?
17:41:31	saratoga	isn't the metadata already ready parsed during buffering?
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17:51:16	tmzt	kugel: are clock issues why playback on as* (Fuze) doesn't work?
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18:10:26	*	ajb would like to understand the taginfo_ready code as well
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18:11:55	kugel	tmzt: what?
18:12:18	kugel	playback does work.
18:12:47	kugel	We're trying to get the cpu caches and mmu working (a patch on the tracker), and these changes make playback problematic
18:18:30	tmzt	on fuze?
18:18:36	tmzt	what codecs?
18:19:09	kugel	all I listened to yet
18:19:17	kugel	aac,mp3,ogg
18:19:39	tmzt	okay, then I need to update my svn
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18:35:45	tmzt	is it possible to paste in the root in file browser?
18:36:59	kugel	try it out?
18:37:05	tmzt	okay, pasting from any file's menu seems to work
18:37:54	tmzt	it didn't update the date stamp
18:38:07	tmzt	doesn't appear to work
18:39:27	tmzt	didn't work
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18:39:42	ajb	Is realloc OK to use or should I just statically size an array and error if I have more chunks to deal with than expected
18:40:02	ajb	Or are there any other "growable" memory store primitives in rockbox?
18:40:59	irctroll	Hello, I have a 2gig g1 nano, when I install rock box, or ipod linux. the scroll wheel is unresponsive in all OS's except the apple one.
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18:41:05	irctroll	any tips?
18:42:17	tmzt	kugel: pasting directories doesn't appear to work at all
18:42:42	tmzt	it asks to confirm overwrite the immediate end the operation
18:43:00	tmzt	it might be I have the play button wrong
18:43:08	evilnick_7	irctroll: Is this with standard (i.e. default) settings? What file type are you playing? What bitrate? Any EQ?
18:43:19	tmzt	or it's getting multiple buttons
18:45:25	irctroll	I restored my ipod. loaded the rock box utility(full install). It boots up fine. But once in the rockbox OS the scroll wheel does not work.
18:45:39	domonoky	ajb: there is NO malloc/realloc/free in rockboxs core.
18:45:57	evilnick_7	irctroll: Ah, the scrollwheel doesn't work AT ALL?
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18:46:31	irctroll	yes, not in the rockbox OS, nor does it work in ipod linux
18:46:57	irctroll	works fine in the Apple ipod OS
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18:48:44	evilnick_7	irctroll: You're best lurking here until someone who can help arrives
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18:49:26	irctroll	haha thank you for you input
18:50:53	tmzt	renaming the file first works though
18:51:09	tmzt	didn't try with a directory
18:51:37	evilnick_7	I've had a quick check of the Bugs listing, but can't find anything similar. I'd expect that as this totally affects the RB experience someone should know. Also, have you posted in the forum?
18:51:59	tmzt	of course it doesn't ask about overwriting in that case, only shows copying...
18:53:12	irctroll	not yet, I am regestering right now
18:53:20	irctroll	I made apost in ipodlinux for tho
18:53:24	tmzt	I've only tried on fuze with 04/21 build
18:53:38	tmzt	oh, that was to irctroll
18:56:37	ajb	domonoky: So is everything statically allocated? No dynamic memory at all?
18:58:49	domonoky	there is some dynmic allocation on startup in the core (different buffers are allocated, then the rest of memory is audiobuffer). Generally dynamic memory allocation is a bad thing in embedded systems..
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18:59:48	domonoky	Also there is a dynamic memory management for codecs and plugins.. (to make porting easier), but you have to be carefull with this.
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19:00:51	domonoky	ajb: take a look here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyNoMalloc
19:01:42	ajb	domonoky: It's a codec I'm tweaking, the MP4 one to handle multiple mdat chunks
19:02:42	ajb	I think I'll go for a static array for now. So far I haven't seen more than a few mdat chunks in a MP4 file
19:02:46	domonoky	ajb: codecs really should use static allocation if possible.
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19:03:42	domonoky	running out of memory while decoding a file is a bad thing. better just refuse to play it, if it needs too much mem.
19:05:06	bertrik	Anyone here interested in getting the sansa c200v2 display to work? I reverse engineered parts of the OF related to the display and write make some C code, but I don't have an actual c200v2 myself.
19:05:11	mt	domonoky : since you're on it, could you explain the (taginfo_ready ) part of the codec ?
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19:09:21	domonoky	mt: sorry i dont know anything about this. But it probably means, that the metadata (id3 struct) is now available.
19:11:16	domonoky	because at loading time, the metadata gets stored into the audiobuffer. and when playback of this track starts, it gets copied to a seperate buffer and is available via ci->id3. (At least as far is know and can read from the code :-) )
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19:12:04	mt	ok .. Thanks :)
19:13:55	mt	When dealing with container formats, how would the playback engine know which codec to use ?
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19:17:20	domonoky	hm, i am not sure if rockbox already handles this. i think so far we only had 1-1 ie, one file extension maps to 1 codec. But again i am not sure.. :-)
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19:22:59	domonoky	mt: jup, looks like we can map different file extensions to the same codec, but not the otherway round. So that maybe something to look at, for your gsoc project.
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19:23:12	*	bertrik spots several silly "(<boolean expression>) ? true : false" statements in rockbox source code
19:24:29	*	ruskie was wondering if there is or will be any support for samsung devices(specificaly YP-S2 aka Pebble)
19:24:48	ajb	Which reminds me, should we favour return int or return bool when the result is only used in the bool context?
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19:25:37	domonoky	bertrik: care to mention a few spots ? grep finds only non-silly use of this for me :-)
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19:26:06	mt	domonoky : How about handling all the supported rm codecs in with some switch cases within the same codec file ? (which would be called rm (not exactly a correct name I know))
19:26:31	bertrik	for example ./apps/mpeg.c:2428: is_mpeg1 = (options->rec_frequency < 3)?true:false;
19:26:34	mt	s/codecs in with/codecs with
19:26:36	domonoky	ajb: i think, if your return value is really true/false, you should use bool. It makes the code more clear.
19:26:42	kugel	domonoky: why can't rbutil download the of?
19:26:52	kugel	(re: rbutil support for ams)
19:27:13	domonoky	mt: that sounds line a possible solution, if your rm file doesnt grow too big :-)
19:27:31	bertrik	domonoky: I grepped for "true:false"
19:27:53	domonoky	kugel: legal issues ? and depending on some external webpage is not nice (although a fallback could be provided)
19:28:02	gevaerts	bertrik: maybe also try false:true :)
19:28:08	kugel	which legal issues exactly?
19:29:10	mt	I don't think it will be big .. every codec implementation will have its own separate file .. rm file will just call the correct get_packet() and decode() functions
19:29:17	kugel	I wouldn't call it depending. I'd call it giving an automatic way (which rbutil aims to do if possible, right?), and fallback to manually download
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19:30:11	domonoky	mt: but all codec would be linked together into one rm.codec, and that has a size limit.
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19:31:37	mt	domonoky : ah, didn't think ok that :/
19:31:45	mt	s/ok/of
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19:32:13	MarcGuay	Howdy folks. Anyone know if there's a reason sudoku isn't included in the apps/plugins/CATEGORIES file?
19:32:39	domonoky	bertrik: still i only get sane uses of this. care to tell as such a line ?
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19:34:29	bertrik	domonoky, IMO any such (x) ? true : false construct is not sane
19:34:34	kugel	MarcGuay: probalby a sub dir thing
19:34:34	domonoky	kugel: automatic downloading from a site you dont own, is really a grey legal area. (its like deeplinking to a picture from another website). And we already ask the user for a OF for the h1xx players, nobody has complained till no.
19:34:58	kugel	it is?
19:35:28	kugel	I'm just asking, I don't know the exact laws. But I wouldn't think it would not be legal
19:35:49	JdGordon\|	domonoky: hey, have you got anything on my mac which you need kept? the /Users got fucked up again so I'm trying to move it back onto the system partition... which could lead to losing everyones ~
19:35:51	MarcGuay	kugel: I was thinking the same thing but it seems like the others (doom, chessbox, clock) are in there.
19:35:57	JdGordon\|	ditto to LambdaCalculus37
19:36:00	domonoky	kugel: and also its not really important for a first rbutil AMS support. such things can always be added later if we think it neccessary and allowed.
19:36:31	bertrik	domonoky: ./apps/menus/recording_menu.c:454: talk_id(LANG_OFF, title?true:false); <−−- title is already a bool
19:36:37	LambdaCalculus37	JdGordon\|: Nothing important in mine.
19:36:43	domonoky	JdGordon: nothing important there. so feel free :-)
19:36:51	LambdaCalculus37	I had one bit of code for wumpus, but I copied it to my Mac.
19:37:02	JdGordon\|	ok
19:38:05	pixelma	MarcGuay: sudoku is a game and a viewer, maybe that has something to do with it? Maybe just an oversight though, don't know
19:38:47	JdGordon\|	very likely an oversight
19:38:50	JdGordon\|	should be in games
19:39:06	domonoky	bertrik: true, in this case its really not neccessary.
19:39:08	JdGordon\|	there is no problem with it being in games and in viewers.config
19:39:30	domonoky	bertrik: use svn blame, to see who wrote this line of code :-)
19:40:09	JdGordon\|	bertrik: hehe, title was probably changed to a bool and that was missed...
19:40:34	gevaerts	bertrik: also, everyone knows that even for non-bools you should use !! and not ?: to convert to bools :)
19:41:17	JdGordon\|	most likely title was a char* so that would make sense...
19:41:28	domonoky	gevaerts: that sounds a bit dangerous.. :-)
19:41:41	MarcGuay	JdGordon: Strange that sudoku still shows up in the Games directory even though it's not listed in that file, no? What's its purpose otherwise?
19:42:00	gevaerts	domonoky: why? Because people aren't used to it?
19:42:09	JdGordon\|	MarcGuay: viewiers.config is probably moving it then...
19:42:19	JdGordon\|	there is a bit of overlap in those 2 files
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19:42:54	domonoky	gevaerts: compiler optimisations ?
19:44:13	gevaerts	domonoky: ! is well defined to give 1 or 0, so I'd consider a compiler that optimises away !! for non-boolean input seriously broken
19:44:15	MarcGuay	JdGordon: I see it now. No harm in adding "sudoku,games" to CATEGORIES, then?
19:45:14	bertrik	gevaerts, oh really? /me learns something new
19:45:16	JdGordon\|	yeah, shuold be safe
19:45:18	domonoky	gevaerts: not even 0/1 is sure for true/false. Have fun with strange compilers :-)
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19:45:41	bertrik	I thought false was defined as 0, and true as any other integer value
19:45:43	kugel	it's not?
19:46:18	gevaerts	bertrik: it is, but ! is more strict
19:46:22	kugel	bertrik: it is, domonoky apparently worked with broken (not strange) compilers
19:46:58	domonoky	and ofcourse there is the other argument: readability :-)
19:47:11	*	bertrik wonders if there's also code like "if (x == true)" in rockbox
19:47:12	ajb	Can I get LOGF output to stderr in the simulator build? It seems silly replicating loads of LOGFs with DEBUGFs
19:47:13	gevaerts	domonoky: that's the main reason I do want this!
19:47:55	mt	domonoky : could get_metadata() determine the codec and inform the playback engine of it ?
19:48:03	*	domonoky has strange code at work where sometime ago true!=true (and a bad hack to fix this). The wonderfull world of code imported from before PC time :-)
19:48:21	kugel	C code? I've read such an example in php
19:48:40	domonoky	and yes, it C code.
19:48:56	bertrik	yuk, we do indeed have such (x == true) code
19:49:09	gevaerts	domonoky: the C spec says that "When any scalar value is converted to _Bool, the result is 0 if the value compares equal to 0; otherwise, the result is 1.". As far as I understand "bool" is a typedeffed _Bool
19:49:13	*	domonoky finds x== true perfectly readable
19:50:13	bertrik	it might not evaluate to true depending on your definition of true
19:50:23	Bagder	if(x == true) means it needs to be 1 explictly, while if(x) matches any non-zero value
19:50:33	*	gevaerts sees that the spec also says that stdbool.h has defines for bool, true and false with the expected values
19:50:38	kugel	bertrik: the standard defines true
19:50:52	gevaerts	Bagder: that's why generous sprinkling of !! is good :)
19:51:05	*	domonoky wonder which C standard ? :-)
19:51:07	kugel	Bagder: really?
19:51:08	gevaerts	kugel: you can undefine it if you like...
19:51:14	JdGordon\|	mt: (going of the top of my head....) I think get_metadata can change the value of id3->type(?) so the correct codec can be loaded... is there a reason to not have all the avilable .rm codecs in the one .codec though?
19:51:16	Bagder	kugel: sure
19:51:37	gevaerts	kugel: it defines true, if you include stdbool.h, and it defines it to 1
19:52:04	gevaerts	domonoky: C99. This is #rockbox. See #rockbox-community for weird compilers :)
19:52:07	kugel	domonoky: gevaerts just posted it
19:52:15	Bagder	checks == true should in general be avoided methinks, it's a source for mistakes
19:52:36	JdGordon\|	#define true !false; #define false !true
19:52:37	JdGordon\|	simple
19:53:01	mt	JdGordon\| : I suggested that but domonoky pointed that there would be size limitations on that, so I'm just seeking an alternate solution in case the first didn't work
19:53:07	gevaerts	If you want to be explicit, I prefet !=0 or !=false
19:53:58	JdGordon\|	mt: righto, I wouldnt worry about that untill you actually hit the wall though...
19:54:16	JdGordon\|	but yeah, get_metadata might be able to do naughty stuff with the id3->type value
19:54:33	mt	great :)
19:55:12	*	JdGordon\| is not saying that is safe though.... you'd need to look into it more
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19:56:58	JdGordon\|	I think it will be safe though... the codec isnt read untill the metadata for the track is fully read also, so if you have a type "CODEC_RM_CONTAINTER" and then have it change to the correct one, yeah, it should be fine
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20:03:26	mt	Supposing both solutions are safe and feasible, which would be better ? (I think the second solution - separate codecs ?
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20:04:58	JdGordon\|	a single codec is probably safer and better if it can be done... it means that jumping between rm codecs doesnt need different codec files buffered for each one
20:05:07	JdGordon\|	the single one can be kept in ram and reused
20:05:21	JdGordon\|	other than that, there is no real difference
20:05:43	gevaerts	I guess a lot depends on how many of the rm codecs also have a life independent of rm
20:06:27	XXmeXX	may i ask you about what you are talking?
20:07:04	JdGordon\|	http://rockbox.org/irc/current.txt if you really care
20:07:20	XXmeXX	okay
20:07:23	JdGordon\|	are there other codecs which could be in different containers? maybe its worth doing this properly?
20:08:02	MarcGuay	Getting an error trying to compile with FS #10022. ("make: *** [/apps/plugins/beatbox/beatbox.o] Error 1"). Does this mean that beatbox.o simply doesn't exist (it doesn't)? Should the "preprocess" and "ctoobj" functions create this file?
20:09:01	domonoky	JdGordon\| flac in ogg containers for example ? (not supported in rb for now)
20:09:16	JdGordon\|	yeah, thats what I was thinking of
20:09:26	JdGordon\|	although i thought it was ogg in flac for some reason :p
20:10:09	domonoky	MarcGuay: Error 1 only means there was one error. search higherup for the first error you get.
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20:12:17	mt	JdGordon\| : if all codecs were in one single file, a codec like AC3 would be redundantly added to this file.
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20:12:25	MarcGuay	domonoky: Thanks for the explanation. There are several errors before that line but they're only designated as warnings so I figured they were non-fatal and could be ignored for now.
20:13:05	domonoky	MarcGuay: warnings are warnings, and errors are errors. search hard and you will find another line with "error" in it :-)
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20:15:59	JdGordon\|	mt: ac3 would be duplicated you mean?
20:16:16	mt	yes
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20:17:40	mt	since it's already supported in rockbox, it kind of looks ugly to me to have separate codecs for AC3 to handle AC3 in RM.
20:18:35	JdGordon\|	ok, yeah
20:20:31	domonoky	JdGordon\| another example speex in ogg :-)
20:21:20	JdGordon\|	so yeah... mt seen as you're so far ahead of schedule... feel like figuring out a good way to do this properly?
20:23:50	mt	JdGordon\| : The only way I have on mind right now is to modify the type in get_metadata()
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20:26:38	mt	Or, modifying the types only for codecs that are currently supported or not supported but could exist outside rm (can't figure a correct phrasing for that :)
20:27:07	mt	and those that are only found in rm would be all handled in rm.codec
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21:09:23	JdGordon\|	mt: I think something like having a new type (flag maybe) to say that the "codec" is really a contrainer and then have a get_codec_from_container() or similar call which needs to be done before playback tries to buffer the codec
21:10:19	JdGordon\|	it doesnt have to be complicated... but I think it should be explicit that its happening...
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21:14:39	mt	JdGordon\| : Isn't get_metadata() done before buffering the codec ? if I'm correct then I believe spreading some comments there would be sufficient to explain what is happening. The flag/function idea wouldn't be hard to implement, I'm just suggesting :)
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21:17:04	JdGordon\|	iirc yes it shuold be safe, but it would be nice to make sure playback will definetly not try to buffer a codec file that doesnt exsist... adding a flag to the codec type should eb difficult
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21:18:36	mt	should be difficult ?
21:18:49	JdGordon\|	n't
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21:19:44	mt	:)
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21:24:15	Peace-	hey guys i would know if my mp3 player can work with rocbox
21:24:19	Peace-	rockbox
21:24:29	Peace-	some usefull stuff link?
21:24:44	BigBambi	www.rockbox.org
21:24:54	JdGordon\|	if you already know... there isnt much we can help you with
21:25:42	Peace-	mm i was there
21:25:47	Peace-	looking for a database
21:25:50	Peace-	or something
21:25:51	BigBambi	The you will have seen the list on the front page
21:25:58	BigBambi	*Then
21:26:07	*	Peace- is bling :S
21:26:11	Peace-	blind
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21:26:46	Peace-	well it's a creative zen mini
21:26:49	Peace-	micro
21:27:04	BigBambi	As you will have seen, it isn't in that list
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21:28:13	Peace-	mmm
21:28:22	Peace-	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZEN
21:28:46	BigBambi	yes?
21:29:36	BigBambi	The list on the front page is up-to-date. Rockbox doesn't run on any of the Zens. Some work has been done to port some of them, but none are ready
21:29:52	Peace-	noooooooo
21:29:54	Peace-	xD
21:30:04	Peace-	well i have tried
21:30:17	Peace-	i switching to linux every computer
21:30:25	Peace-	i am
21:30:40	Peace-	so i was interested to it
21:30:55	BigBambi	Rockbox isn't linux, or based on linux
21:31:16	Peace-	open source is always open source
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21:34:28	BigBambi	Peace-: yup. You can follow porting progress (if any) in the New Ports section of the forum, but please don't post there asking for updates
21:34:49	saratoga	and in the future you might reconsider asking people in IRC to read your own links to you
21:34:54	BigBambi	Also, there are different types of Zen - I'm not sure if the Zen micro is one of the ones with work done on it
21:35:18	Peace-	yeah i know
21:35:25	BigBambi	saratoga: hmmm?
21:35:39	BigBambi	saratoga: oh, the Zen wiki page
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21:36:19	Peace-	but could i help someway
21:36:56	BigBambi	Peace-: Do you know how to program in C or ASM, or have reverse engineering skills?
21:37:08	Peace-	unluckly no
21:37:22	Peace-	i know something about c++ but it very very few stuff
21:37:25	Peace-	xD
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21:37:39	BigBambi	not without learning then
21:38:22	mt	He could help in themes/translations I think ?
21:39:08	mcuelenaere	the Creative Zen Micro seems to run a TMS320DA255, which is the same as the zen touch, sleek, nomad jukebox * & the dell dj
21:39:16	mcuelenaere	(but which doesn't have any code in SVN)
21:39:46	BigBambi	mt: translations not really
21:39:54	BigBambi	mt: themes, depends on the screen res
21:40:20	BigBambi	mt: keymaps to an extent, but given there is no code in svn it probably isn't very useful at the moment
21:41:19	LambdaCalculus37	mcuelenaere: And won't unless I get another Dell DJ.
21:41:46	mcuelenaere	LambdaCalculus37: did you broke it?
21:41:48	Peace-	well.... next time i will buy a rockbox supported player
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21:42:50	LambdaCalculus37	mcuelenaere: Yeah, it's dead and in a box.
21:43:05	mcuelenaere	LambdaCalculus37: dead in what way?
21:43:23	LambdaCalculus37	mcuelenaere: Mainboard is dead.
21:43:49	LambdaCalculus37	And it's in pieces, too.
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21:45:07	mcuelenaere	anyway, porting it would be rather difficult givin' the complete lack of documentation
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21:57:12	LambdaCalculus37	mcuelenaere: In terms of specific instructions needed, or just in general?
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22:03:39	mcuelenaere	LambdaCalculus37 (logs): in terms of hardware documentation (TI)
22:05:42	JdGordon\|	we have docs for the tms320...
22:05:56	JdGordon\|	assuming its not too different from the one in the mr500?
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22:08:25	mcuelenaere	JdGordon\|: that's the TMS320DM320
22:08:36	mcuelenaere	this is a TMS320DA255 (whatever that is)
22:08:51	mcuelenaere	they're probably similar, but not completely
22:09:13	mcuelenaere	(DA255 has a TI C55x DSP while DM320 has a C54xx, both have an ARM core though)
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22:19:46	linuxstb	mt: Rockbox already handles multiple codecs in the same container - e.g. Ogg (vorbis and speex) and mp4 (AAC and Apple Lossless). It is the job of get_metadata() to set the codec type in a file - the playback code just sets the type to an initial guess based on the extension, and the metadata code confirms (or changes) that guess.
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22:58:55	JdGordon\|	linuxstb: ok, thats what I guessed... it seems a bit hacky to me though... shouldnt we do it more properly if we have more than those special cases?
22:59:41	linuxstb	Why is it a hack? Seems nice and simple to me.
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23:00:35	JdGordon\|	I'm only going from memory.. the code might make it obvious in which case fine... but if its more of a wierd possible side effect then maybe its not so good?
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23:02:53	linuxstb	What's a wierd possible side-effect?
23:03:56	JdGordon\|	changing the codec type
23:05:05	linuxstb	No, that's part of get_metadata()'s job.
23:05:45	Torne	linuxstb: any chance of you commenting on/committing FS #9730? Had it in my build for a while now and am wondering if it's likely to be accepted
23:05:57	Torne	(support loading rockbox from OSOS on ipod)
23:06:17	Torne	we discussed it when i originally wrote it
23:06:44	linuxstb	Torne: I've had a look, and it seems fine. Although it would be nice to find a way to give all users that speedup, not just ones who do an advanced install...
23:06:59	linuxstb	But that doesn't seem possible...
23:07:05	Torne	it would be fiddly, yeah
23:07:14	Torne	well, i did have on ethought actually
23:07:22	Torne	if you put the dual boot code in rockbox itself, you could just write rockbox to OSOS
23:07:28	Torne	and have it be able to boot apple_os.ipod
23:07:43	Torne	at that point you migh tbe better served by trying to fix chain loading on ipod though
23:07:49	Torne	so you cna just run apple_os from rockbox anyway
23:08:01	linuxstb	Yes, reliable rolo would be nice.
23:08:29	Torne	i guess rbutil could technically do it
23:08:37	Torne	but it would have to back up apple_os for you
23:08:42	Torne	and make it clear to the user what that is for
23:08:52	Torne	otherwise if it got lost they may wonder why they can't boot OFW
23:08:52	linuxstb	One problem I know about with that is that the Apple bootloader writes a "sysinfo" struct at the end of iram before loading OSOS, something Rockbox doesn't do.
23:09:31	Torne	yeah, i've not looked at that
23:09:39	Torne	because i never run OFW anyway except to test stuff
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23:09:48	Torne	so it's not a huge deal for me
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23:10:23	Torne	as dreamlayers said also, it could be a little faster if it didn't have to check on disk
23:10:33	Torne	because then the bootloader could probably not do ata_init
23:10:45	Torne	but that would make upgrading using the standard method silently break
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23:12:16	linuxstb	Hopefully someone will try to replace the contents of the flash in ipods at some point - it should be possible to experiment with it relatively safely...
23:12:49	Torne	yeah i pondered looking at that but i'm too lazy, er, i mean busy
23:12:59	Torne	:)
23:13:52	linuxstb	There's code in ipodpatcher to read/write the aupd image (which is encrypted), so flashing could be done that way. I did once try accessing the flash chip, but couldn't get it working.
23:14:41	Torne	has anyone done a decent annotated disassembly of the ipod flash that's available?
23:14:56	linuxstb	But going back to your patch, I think it would be useful to add a little documentation to the bootloader, as it's getting quite complicated (lots of different ways to load things). Maybe simply a description of the features in a comment at the top of in ipod.c would be enough.
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23:15:37	Torne	yah
23:15:43	linuxstb	Torne: Various people probably have their own disassemblies, but it's not something that can be shared publically.
23:15:53	linuxstb	(it's Apple's copyright)
23:16:09	Torne	well, yes
23:16:21	*	Torne hmms and is sure there must be some way around that ;)
23:16:32	Torne	it's not like you really need to distribute the actual instructions
23:16:39	Torne	just the interesting human annotations
23:17:40	Torne	ahwell
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23:17:46	Torne	i am unlikely to really have time either way :)
23:18:05	linuxstb	We should put the idea in the head of dreamlayers ;)
23:18:13	Torne	i'll see about documenting how ipod.c decides what to load, anyway
23:18:16	Torne	as that is a good plan
23:18:48	linuxstb	If you do that, I promise to commit it ;)
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23:19:01	Torne	ok that sounds fair :)
23:19:16	Torne	heh actually i have 9727 waiting as well
23:19:20	Torne	which is less interesting to discuss
23:19:27	Torne	the fact that the system menu's icon is ? annoyed me
23:19:36	Torne	so i changed it to the same one as system settings. :)
23:19:53	Torne	forgot i did that
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23:26:30	poseidon	according to gtkpod I have the ipod model "xA428" which I think is the 2nd gen ipod nano 4gb. How do I get started setting up rockbox on it?
23:27:01	BigBambi	you don't
23:27:05	Bagder	poseidon: step #1: port rockbox to your target
23:27:17	BigBambi	poseidon: see the list of supported targets at www.rockbox.org
23:27:45	poseidon	Is that version not supported?
23:28:02	BigBambi	poseidon: Check the list on www.rockbox.org
23:28:06	Bagder	correct, only the first gen nano
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23:28:10	BigBambi	poseidon: hint - no
23:28:12	linuxstb	poseidon: And the work someone needs to do to make Rockbox run on your ipod - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
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