| 00:01:15 | linuxstb | gevaerts: firmware/common/strnatcmp.c ? |
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| 00:01:40 | gevaerts | that's the one |
| 00:02:41 | kugel | IIRC, the current version is the original implementation again |
| 00:02:54 | froggyman | where would i find a good sized rockbox logo |
| 00:02:59 | kugel | so, this bug would be in the original too |
| 00:03:23 | kugel | if I can figure it out, I'll mail the author (he's indeed answering on mails regarding natsort) |
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| 00:09:34 | tomers | Hi there! I cannot catch scrollwheel on E200 using either button_status() and button_get(). Any clue? |
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| 00:10:55 | linuxstb | Wheels generate scroll events (not on/off presses/releases) so they won't be in button_status. I would expect them to be in button_get() though. |
| 00:11:53 | gevaerts | kugel: it does skip over spaces, see the outer while(1) loop |
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| 00:13:20 | JdGordon| | tomers: hey, whats the issue with the usb connect patch? is it just that you want to control the buttons and are worried there will be some extra presses at the beginig or something? |
| 00:13:51 | kugel | gevaerts: eh, right |
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| 00:14:15 | kugel | I confused it with the ignore zeros thing (due to the long discussion), sorry |
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| 00:15:04 | kugel | toffe82: I think most plugins catch it, I'm not sure how |
| 00:15:15 | kugel | maybe you look at get_action()? |
| 00:15:30 | wookey_ | hello peeps - just upgraded to rel 3.2 (sansa e200). Very nice work. |
| 00:15:37 | kugel | (that's the "supposedely" apps/ version of button get with a few more features |
| 00:15:41 | tomers | OK! Found it! It was button_get(true). Apparently button_get(false) and button_status() don't have it |
| 00:15:56 | wookey_ | Several .wps screen don't seem to work anymore - they fall back to rockbox default screen |
| 00:16:20 | wookey_ | I'm peering at the .wps files now. Is there a known problem that causes this? |
| 00:16:22 | CPrompt^ | so if i update to 3.2 on my iPod Video 30gig, and something doesn't work right, can I just put the .rockbox folder that I have on there now? |
| 00:16:43 | wookey_ | And is there a way of checking the syntax short of loading/trying over and over? |
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| 00:17:01 | kugel | tomers: ah, I think that's the problem with the scrollwheel being an interrupt (it doesn't post BUTTON_NONE regulary) |
| 00:17:17 | kugel | I don't know actually, just guessing |
| 00:17:28 | gevaerts | wookey_: there's checkwps in the source tree (tools/checkwps) |
| 00:17:53 | tomers | kugel: Never mind, it works... Thanks! |
| 00:17:59 | gevaerts | Also, the simulator builds should give debug output |
| 00:18:33 | toffe82 | kugel: ??? wrong tab complete |
| 00:18:39 | kugel | can you get *any* button with button_get(false)? it seems it just returns BUTTON_NONE then (I'm not sure what pending_count is for) |
| 00:19:01 | kugel | toffe82: yep, sorry :( |
| 00:19:03 | linuxstb | CPrompt^: Yes. |
| 00:19:35 | CPrompt^ | linuxstb: on my current install of rockbox there are files "nvram.bin" and "rockbox.ipod" these are not in the 3.2 that I downloaded |
| 00:19:47 | CPrompt^ | can i not just copy the .rockbox folder to the iPod? |
| 00:19:55 | wookey_ | gevaerts: thanx. Will look |
| 00:20:12 | linuxstb | CPrompt^: There should be a rockbox.ipod file in the 3.2 download. |
| 00:20:25 | linuxstb | nvram.bin contains some settings/status info. |
| 00:20:33 | CPrompt^ | linuxstb: hmmm...there's not in the one I just downloaded |
| 00:20:56 | linuxstb | What's the URL of the file you downloaded? |
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| 00:21:11 | CPrompt^ | linuxstb: http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.2/rockbox-ipodvideo-3.2.zip |
| 00:21:17 | kugel | well, rockbox.ipod is essential (it's the main rockbox binary). Something would be really weird if it wasn't included |
| 00:21:39 | linuxstb | CPrompt^: I see it there. |
| 00:21:57 | linuxstb | CPrompt^: The last file in the zip - 628864 bytes. |
| 00:21:57 | CPrompt^ | linuxstb: really? I've downloaded it twice and it's not there. I'll try it again |
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| 00:22:33 | CPrompt^ | linuxstb: nope. not there. that is really weird |
| 00:23:05 | kugel | I see it too |
| 00:23:15 | CPrompt^ | wtf? |
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| 00:23:42 | CPrompt^ | i still don't freakin see it |
| 00:23:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | CPrompt^: Try using Rockbox Utility and install a build with that. |
| 00:23:56 | gevaerts | CPrompt^: do you have the complete zip file? It should be 3043199 bytes |
| 00:24:24 | linuxstb | CPrompt^: What files/dirs do you see? |
| 00:24:44 | CPrompt^ | linuxstb: i |
| 00:24:47 | CPrompt^ | crap |
| 00:24:55 | CPrompt^ | i'll do a screen shot real quick |
| 00:25:00 | CPrompt^ | eigh... |
| 00:25:03 | CPrompt^ | backdrops |
| 00:25:05 | CPrompt^ | codecs |
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| 00:25:09 | CPrompt^ | codepages |
| 00:25:14 | linuxstb | Please don't list them all on separate lines... |
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| 00:25:53 | CPrompt^ | backdrops, codecs, codepages,docs, eqs, fonts,icons,langs,recpresets, rocks, themes, wps |
| 00:26:33 | gevaerts | those are the subdirectories. there should be some files there as well |
| 00:26:42 | mt | kugel , gevaerts : Thanks ! |
| 00:27:09 | CPrompt^ | ok. now i have a rockbox.ipod file of 614.1KB |
| 00:27:30 | linuxstb | Where was it hiding before? |
| 00:27:38 | JdGordon| | tomers: see my question 15min ago? |
| 00:27:40 | CPrompt^ | it just wasnt there |
| 00:27:47 | kugel | JdGordon|: still want the statusbar per-screen? |
| 00:27:57 | kugel | I'm wondering how to integrate that into the settings |
| 00:28:17 | CPrompt^ | the files that I have are : database.ignore, rockbox.ipod, rockbox-info.txt, tagnavi.config and viewers.config |
| 00:28:52 | CPrompt^ | linuxstb: i am guessing the nvram.bin file is supposed to be there too? |
| 00:29:01 | kugel | No, that's created at runtime |
| 00:29:03 | linuxstb | CPrompt^: But anyway, if you're asking if you can rename the ".rockbox" folder on your ipod to something else (to back it up), then copy a new .rockbox folder there, then yes. |
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| 00:29:41 | JdGordon| | kugel: yes please |
| 00:29:47 | CPrompt^ | alrighty...giving it a go. thanks |
| 00:30:01 | kugel | CPrompt^: if you want to keep your settings, you can just overwrite |
| 00:30:12 | tomers | JdGordon: Sorry for my late response. I didn't notice your message. Please ignore my comment about the usb connect patch. I got my HID stuff working with it. Apparently it was simply irrelevant... |
| 00:30:15 | kugel | (or copy if you still want to back up, instead of renaming) |
| 00:30:29 | JdGordon| | tomers: ok good :) |
| 00:31:10 | kugel | re: customlist I think I solved/worked around all issues I know of |
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| 00:31:26 | JdGordon| | oh? |
| 00:31:40 | * | JdGordon| rekons he cant think up more issues for it... |
| 00:32:00 | kugel | there were 3 major issues. splashes, set_int(), and what's happening on changing the theme |
| 00:32:38 | kugel | btw, is there really any good reason to leave the theme folder after changing it when browsing themes in the settings? |
| 00:32:58 | JdGordon| | no? |
| 00:33:01 | kugel | that's not done for fonts or wpses, nor it goes anywhere else when browsing for themes in the filebrowser |
| 00:33:34 | kugel | also, I find it major annyoing to re-enter the theme browser again when I'm in the mood for trying out a few |
| 00:34:07 | wookey_ | hmm, anyone know what %t1 in a .wps file is/used to be. It's not listed in manual, but is in my broken .wps file |
| 00:34:31 | JdGordon| | it should be in the manual |
| 00:34:36 | JdGordon| | under subline timeouts |
| 00:34:56 | tomers | I tried to publish my personal git using the instructions in http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html#public-repositories but I have very limited quota in my remote server. How can I public only my own changes? |
| 00:35:00 | kugel | it's not :S |
| 00:35:25 | kugel | wookey_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Alternating_Sublines |
| 00:35:33 | kugel | it should be in the manual |
| 00:36:16 | kugel | tomers: is the kernel.org space so low? |
| 00:36:45 | kugel | try sourceforge maybe, I'm not aware of a limitation there, and they recently added git |
| 00:36:46 | wookey_ | OK. It wasn't in the 'wps tags' section. |
| 00:37:14 | kugel | wookey_: feel free to add it :) |
| 00:38:03 | JdGordon| | pixelma: sounds like the manual needs a touch up... |
| 00:38:34 | tomers | I don't have account in kernel.org. Can I open there an account and put Rockbox stuff there? Also of sf.net - can I put rockbox stuff there (I can open a new project for that...) |
| 00:39:00 | kugel | Why not open a new project? |
| 00:39:25 | gevaerts | tomers: there are several git hosting sites around |
| 00:39:26 | kugel | Rockbox' source is free to re-distribute |
| 00:39:41 | tomers | OK. I'll do it on SF |
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| 00:40:08 | kugel | (but please mark it so that it doesn't get confused with the official one) |
| 00:40:16 | tomers | But just for my own knowledge, isn't there an automatic, more space-conscious way to do it? |
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| 00:40:48 | kugel | that's a git specific question. I'm out! |
| 00:40:59 | linuxstb | tomers: Do you think any of your work could be committed to Rockbox yet? |
| 00:41:27 | tomers | linuxstb. Yes, but I prefer someone review it first. I got the keymap for E200 only. |
| 00:41:48 | kugel | Can I already control media monkey with my e200 then? :> |
| 00:41:54 | linuxstb | tomers: Of course. But that's done by posting patches to flyspray. |
| 00:42:11 | gevaerts | tomers: http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitHosting may e helpful |
| 00:42:28 | kugel | JdGordon|: Ok, so I'll change it |
| 00:42:33 | tomers | I set my git repository so I can have incremental patches. Do you want me to put my whole code in one patch? |
| 00:42:49 | JdGordon| | kugel: changing what? |
| 00:43:08 | kugel | to not go back to the settings after selecting a theme (actually a .cfg) |
| 00:43:20 | wookey_ | sorry if this is a common question but how close is e200v2 support? Someone asked my to recommend a rockboxable player last week and I wasn;t sure what a good answer was...? |
| 00:43:32 | scorche | not close enough ;) |
| 00:43:37 | wookey_ | it looks from the web like things are fairly well progressed |
| 00:43:57 | wookey_ | I assume if you buy an e200 these days you always get a new one? |
| 00:44:00 | gevaerts | they are, but there apparently are some nasty problems left |
| 00:44:08 | froggyman | maybe recommend a gigabeast S? |
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| 00:44:39 | gevaerts | tomers: about FS #10203, could you post a patch with only the bugfix? Combined style and bugfix patches are really annoying |
| 00:45:05 | gevaerts | wookey_: if you know about arm work, maybe you can help out? ;) |
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| 00:45:26 | kugel | wookey_: it's not supported yet, but rockbox can be run with music playback |
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| 00:45:38 | kugel | but, there's better players to recommend that the e200v2 imo |
| 00:46:16 | wookey_ | gevaerts: in theory yes. In practice I've got an awful lot of other things I'm supposed to be hacking. |
| 00:46:28 | kugel | gevaerts: I can't even spot the fix :/ |
| 00:46:49 | kugel | ah, got it! |
| 00:47:05 | wookey_ | but if I can do anything quick then I'm happy to help out |
| 00:47:24 | wookey_ | Has anyone done anyting about putting rbutil in debian? |
| 00:47:48 | wookey_ | that;s somethign I could do very easily, and it seems like it would be useful |
| 00:48:30 | kugel | well, it only depends on you getting access to the repo. rbutil doesn't have dependencies if built the default way |
| 00:48:30 | gevaerts | there has been some talk about that every now and then, but nothing practical has happened. |
| 00:48:32 | tomers | gevaerts: Done. Sorry for being a coding-style ass |
| 00:49:23 | gevaerts | It does change a bit faster than debian stable releases though, so my guess would be that it's best suited for volatile. Two year old versions are unlikely to be useful for anyone |
| 00:50:51 | CIA-38 | New commit by kugel (r20913): Don't go back to the settings after selecting a .cfg via the theme or cfg browser, as it's done for fonts. |
| 00:51:49 | kugel | volatile isn't mean for packages that are updated regulary for new features |
| 00:52:32 | wookey_ | gevaerts: doesn;t rbutil go and download the newsest build of rb itself so it should remain useful for quite some time? |
| 00:52:56 | wookey_ | and newer versions can be in testing/unstable/experimental |
| 00:53:09 | kugel | I think the best would be to use the regular package system, but also provide debs on our side |
| 00:53:20 | wookey_ | kugel: that's normally best |
| 00:53:32 | kugel | I figured :P |
| 00:53:58 | wookey_ | well I'm checking it out now. If I do anything useful I'll send it back. |
| 00:54:04 | kugel | after the initial built, building debs is really trivial |
| 00:54:06 | gevaerts | wookey_: it should, but we've had a lot of changes at about every release to keep things working, so I don't know. Maybe talk to bluebrother or domonoky about this (who both managed not to be here right now :) |
| 00:54:34 | kugel | for rbutil at least as I expect, without having dependencies |
| 00:54:48 | gevaerts | Of course the next debian release isn't for this week, so maybe things on our side stabilise enough by then to make this practical |
| 00:55:23 | wookey_ | no dependencies? but it's a QT app? You mean the whole thing is built as a huge static binary? |
| 00:55:24 | linuxstb | kugel: rbutil does have dependencies - Qt at least... |
| 00:55:35 | kugel | it's built statically |
| 00:55:44 | linuxstb | wookey_: Currently, yes. But that wouldn't make sense for a .deb |
| 00:55:45 | wookey_ | that won't be allowed for a real debian package |
| 00:55:59 | gevaerts | it also won't be needed |
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| 00:56:04 | kugel | the qt parts it needs are integrated. wookey_, if you consider <10 as huge, then yes :) |
| 00:56:04 | wookey_ | you can do that yourselves of course, and distribute it as a deb |
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| 00:56:33 | wookey_ | I did notice it was rather a fat binary :-) |
| 00:56:41 | kugel | as I said, it doesn't have dependencies if you built it the "default way", which is statically for now :) |
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| 00:57:19 | gevaerts | kugel: not really. You need a static qt for that, which isn't the default as far as I can remember |
| 00:57:32 | wookey_ | So it sounds like packaging which allowed both static (for rocxkbox website distribution and easy install-for-all) and kosher debian builds for the distro would make sense |
| 00:57:37 | kugel | I mean default as in our way |
| 00:57:39 | gevaerts | The released binaries are static, but they are a pain to build |
| 00:58:02 | gevaerts | wookey_: for packages, I'd go dynamic all the way |
| 00:58:15 | amiconn | Speaking about rbutil - should it work on x64 Windows? |
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| 00:58:26 | kugel | It does, doesn't it? |
| 00:58:34 | kugel | the 32bit linux worked on 64bit too |
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| 00:59:52 | sevil-NATAS | Hello! |
| 00:59:52 | tomers | gevaerts: I'm uploading my git to git://github.com/tomers/Rockbox-USB-rework.git and going to sleep... |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:45 | tomers | It would take some time for it to be uploaded entirely. I'll send an email in the morning if it is done uploading |
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| 01:00:53 | gevaerts | tomers: great. I'll have a look at it tomorrow (nearly sleep time for me as well). Goodnight! |
| 01:00:59 | CIA-38 | New commit by gevaerts (r20914): fix send_command_result() size checking for the SCSI_REQUEST_SENSE case (thanks to Tomer Shalev, FS #10203) |
| 01:01:01 | tomers | Goodnight! |
| 01:01:34 | kugel | settings loading is quite fast |
| 01:01:46 | kugel | the 1s splash after made it look so slow |
| 01:02:09 | DataGhost | sevil-NATAS would you ask your question in the channel rather than sending me a completely useless PM 'because I joined the channel'? |
| 01:04:40 | sevil-NATAS | Hello Everybody! I had just a quick Q for all you crazy rockboxers. Is it possible to use rockbox to overclock your MP3 player's CPU? |
| 01:04:59 | scorche | yes, but there isnt really a good reason to |
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| 01:05:43 | * | JdGordon| really wants to get rid of these hard coded times with the splashes |
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| 01:05:51 | scorche | you will just get less battery life, a hotter device, possibly instability, etc |
| 01:05:51 | JdGordon| | why cant we have it so a button clears the splash? |
| 01:06:02 | sevil-NATAS | Could it make DOOM go faster? |
| 01:06:18 | scorche | ... |
| 01:07:04 | gevaerts | we don't actually have datasheets for some of the CPUs. If you don't know the maximum rated speed of a CPU, is it even possible to knowingly overclock it? |
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| 01:07:41 | DataGhost | yes, hence OVERclock |
| 01:08:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Overclocking the CPU of a DAP is generally a bad idea. |
| 01:08:28 | sevil-NATAS | Why is thaat? |
| 01:08:32 | DataGhost | even a TI-83 can be overclocked, up to the point that CPU and memory are out of sync and the thing starts throwing garbage all over... but hey, it's overclocked |
| 01:08:53 | gevaerts | what's the point? |
| 01:09:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | DataGhost: That's called "damaging your device". |
| 01:09:34 | JdGordon| | POTENTIALLY... |
| 01:09:43 | JdGordon| | we could go to eleventy billion hertz.... |
| 01:09:43 | DataGhost | I know, just saying that it can be done way beyond spec |
| 01:09:44 | pixelma | JdGordon|: I don' know, but I imagine it can be quite annoying sometimes (same reason I turn off the erase dynamic playlist warning), and not sure but it could be more likely you "click" it away too quickly by accident (although if you don't read fast enough now...) |
| 01:10:06 | DataGhost | I never said it was a good idea anywhere |
| 01:10:12 | gevaerts | DataGhost: we don't *have* the spec for some of the devices, so we can't go beyond it |
| 01:10:23 | DataGhost | heh semi-good point |
| 01:10:37 | DataGhost | you'll still probably go beyond the spec the manufacturer set even though you don't know it |
| 01:10:51 | JdGordon| | pixelma: right, but if you are watching it then why do you need to wait for it to disappear if you know what its saying? i dont tihnk people would react too slowly and have wrog presses |
| 01:10:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Besides, for something like Doom or Rockboy, what's needed more is to optimize the code. |
| 01:11:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | But no one interested in doing so has stepped forward. |
| 01:11:12 | gevaerts | anyway, the code is there, feel free to change it |
| 01:12:09 | linuxstb | gevaerts: We can go beyond the spec, just not knowingly... |
| 01:12:18 | kugel | JdGordon|: having a button to cancel a splash is easy |
| 01:12:19 | Unhelpful | another angle on the image load buffer question... i'm assuming the "end" of the free buffer space isn't going to move in the middle of buffering? it might actually not be so hard to put the buffer there... have a global pointer to it, move it down any time an image will need a larger load buffer than previously requested, and then reset it to the same address as end-of-buffer when the image load queue is cleared. unless somebody who kn |
| 01:12:19 | Unhelpful | ows how the buffer works thinks that that is stupid ;) |
| 01:12:32 | gevaerts | linuxstb: are you sure? How do you know? ;) |
| 01:12:50 | linuxstb | Bah, foiled again... |
| 01:13:01 | kugel | instead of sleep(ticks); do if (get_action(CONTEXT_STD, ticks)) return; |
| 01:13:45 | linuxstb | kugel: And what if a user presses a button just after the timeout? |
| 01:13:50 | Unhelpful | also, did we ever determine for certain from evilnick's debug info if the problem *is* due to the buffer thread stalling during image load? |
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| 01:15:11 | kugel | linuxstb: the same thing that would happen if he pressed a button after the splash being over I imagine |
| 01:16:17 | Unhelpful | kugel: right, but they might now press the button (where they would not have before) with the intent of clearing the splash, only to have it (absurd hypothetical result) delete all of their files and brick their player. :) |
| 01:16:38 | kugel | I think we're talking about splashes |
| 01:16:41 | kugel | not the yesno screen |
| 01:16:42 | JdGordon| | kugel: i know its easy... im trying to have the argument again... every time its brought up its shot down, but i keep trying in the hope everyone changes their minds |
| 01:17:09 | kugel | that was discussed before? |
| 01:17:12 | pixelma | JdGordon|: the splash never bothered me and I can't remember feeling I have to "wait" for a splash, just imagine having to "click" twice is more annoying - either I forget to click it away or maybe moving through a themes list I won't see it at all. Thing is, I'm not sure how it will be like unless I tried (but I can't think of any other program/device doing this exclusively) |
| 01:17:32 | JdGordon| | the "nothing to resume" splash is the one that really annoys me |
| 01:17:41 | kugel | ah yea, that one is evil |
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| 01:17:50 | gevaerts | make sure you always have something to resume then :) |
| 01:18:01 | kugel | Unhelpful: I think there's no way of doing damage by cancelign splashes |
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| 01:18:31 | kugel | pixelma: How would you click twice? |
| 01:18:45 | Unhelpful | kugel: and i'm saying "unless the buttonpress intended to cancel the splash comes too late, and is treated as an action by whatever happens next" |
| 01:18:50 | wookey_ | OK. I've fixed the manual to have subline tags summary in appendix with link to description. WHere should I send a patch? (or does anyone feel like giving me svn access?) |
| 01:18:52 | kugel | you mean if you tried to cancel the splash just after it was over? |
| 01:19:27 | kugel | That's a thing you have in just about 100% of other apps too? |
| 01:19:57 | kugel | wookey_: flyspray |
| 01:20:27 | * | JdGordon| really doesnt think tyhe accidental presses thing will be an issue |
| 01:20:42 | JdGordon| | the worst case will be usually that the item that triggered the splash will happen again |
| 01:21:25 | * | JdGordon| proposes to make all splashes either 0 or 3s and allow a button to clear it early |
| 01:21:46 | kugel | that sounds reasonable |
| 01:21:54 | JdGordon| | possibly making the blocking splashes look different to the 0 one |
| 01:22:19 | pixelma | kugel: well if I would have to click it away - imagine moving through the fonts browser, select a font, get a splash which you would have to click away and you want to move down anyways, to maybe select another. And I can't think of any app where I *have to* do something to get rid of the splash |
| 01:22:36 | wookey_ | flyspray? is that a person? |
| 01:22:58 | pixelma | maybe allowing both is ok, but JdGordon|'s "getting rid" sounded to me as if I will need to click it away |
| 01:23:00 | JdGordon| | pixelma: you dont have to cancel it.. it would disappear like now if you didnt rpess anything |
| 01:23:14 | kugel | pixelma: no, you got it wrong. We're proposing to have it cancable earlier, additionally to have it go away after the normal timeout |
| 01:23:17 | pixelma | then say so ;) |
| 01:23:57 | * | JdGordon| runs off to catch his bus |
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| 01:24:49 | gevaerts | wookey_: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 |
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| 01:26:02 | pleasemakev2cfw | Hello, anybody home? |
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| 01:27:30 | krazykit | pleasemakev2cfw, many people are around. do you have a question? |
| 01:27:40 | pleasemakev2cfw | Well yeah |
| 01:28:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | What's your question? |
| 01:28:05 | * | kugel does the "just ask" dance |
| 01:28:16 | pleasemakev2cfw | It's just I really want my sansa e200 v2 to have rockbox, and maybe I could help |
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| 01:28:48 | kugel | are you experienced with working with a mmu? then you could potentially help |
| 01:28:55 | pleasemakev2cfw | because the sooner the better and it's in people free time so maybe I can do something to help |
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| 01:29:31 | * | kugel wonders if fdinel completely lost his interest in rockbox on ams |
| 01:29:50 | pleasemakev2cfw | I only know simple html |
| 01:29:59 | pleasemakev2cfw | mmu!? |
| 01:30:05 | kugel | memory mapping unit |
| 01:30:14 | pleasemakev2cfw | no clue |
| 01:30:54 | pleasemakev2cfw | I wikied it and it's a little to much for me |
| 01:31:16 | kugel | I fear we cannot make use of HTML :( |
| 01:31:26 | Blue_Dude | Hi. Throwing a question out there. I am working on a DSP feature that requires periodic changes to the PCM buffer. I need to find a way to schedule a process periodically. I would prefer doing it at least once every .5 seconds to keep latency down. How to do it? |
| 01:31:27 | kugel | and we need coders, not testers |
| 01:31:47 | pleasemakev2cfw | Oh well, can't help then |
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| 01:32:12 | pleasemakev2cfw | Does anybody know the progess, have they figured out how to do it or something |
| 01:32:26 | pleasemakev2cfw | The sansa e200 v2 |
| 01:32:51 | krazykit | the progress is on the relevant wiki page on in the thread on the new ports forum |
| 01:33:16 | pleasemakev2cfw | K thanks |
| 01:34:19 | linuxstb | Blue_Dude: What exactly are you planning? You can't process the data as it's added to the pcm buffer? |
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| 01:34:37 | BdN3504 | hey guys |
| 01:35:01 | pleasemakev2cfw | Is the gameboy emulator avaible for the sansa e200? |
| 01:35:21 | Unhelpful | Blue_Dude: why, exactly, can it not be part of the existing DSP system? |
| 01:35:29 | Blue_Dude | HI linux. Still working on the dynamic compression mod. I need to look ahead a few milliseconds so I need to make adjustments according to what's coming, not just what's here. |
| 01:35:57 | CIA-38 | New commit by mt (r20915): -Took cook_random() from an old cook.c revision [6 mar 2007], which is a ... |
| 01:36:11 | BdN3504 | i just gave away another gigabeat. the person i gave it to, is confused with the navigation, because she always holds the buttons (esp. the select button) too long and is presented with context menus. |
| 01:36:53 | BdN3504 | is there anyway, i can prolong the time of the button press until it gets recognized as a long press? |
| 01:37:07 | Blue_Dude | More specifically, I need to see the waveform about 10 ms ahead of the current sample. And even then it would have to be the waveform *before* voice, keyclicks, beeps, etc. |
| 01:37:25 | BdN3504 | which parts of the code would i have to modify? |
| 01:37:48 | pleasemakev2cfw | Is there a gamebody emulator for sansa e200? |
| 01:38:19 | linuxstb | Blue_Dude: Sounds like you need to make the dsp code buffer that amount of audio before passing it into the PCM buffer. |
| 01:38:24 | BdN3504 | every colour target has a gameboy emulatro |
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| 01:39:06 | Blue_Dude | So create my own buffer like the voice and crossfade buffers? |
| 01:39:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | pleasemakev2cfw: Rockbox is not ready for everyday use on the AMS Sansas, which the e200 v2 is part of. |
| 01:39:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | And there are no other alternative firmwares out there for it. |
| 01:39:41 | linuxstb | BdN3504: I think just increase the REPEAT_START define at the top of firmware/drivers/button.c |
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| 01:39:55 | Blue_Dude | Just a warning: if I do that, then everything will have to go to it first. |
| 01:40:17 | Blue_Dude | Well, all PCM buffer filling will have to look in my buffer first anyway. |
| 01:40:38 | pleasemakev2cfw | But I understand theres work being done for it |
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| 01:41:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, but it's not in a state where it's ready for everyday use. |
| 01:41:06 | pleasemakev2cfw | About the emualtor work can I find one for the sansa e200? Plugins maybe? |
| 01:41:06 | linuxstb | Blue_Dude: Yes, that's how the DSP code works. I don't know the details, but I think a chain of filters are set up, and all audio passes through them. (eq, crossfeed etc) |
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| 01:42:41 | Blue_Dude | So where to hook into that chain? The PCM buffer routines? |
| 01:43:06 | linuxstb | Start by looking in apps/dsp.c |
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| 01:44:10 | kugel | Unhelpful: pictureflow stops playback again with jpeg? is that due to overlay? |
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| 01:44:23 | Blue_Dude | I went there first, but I need to be able to grab the buffer *after* the desired audio is fed to it, but *before* overlays like keyclick and voice occur. |
| 01:44:56 | saratoga | just process it after EQ |
| 01:45:05 | BdN3504 | which values are valid for REPEAT_START? can i enter say 200? it's currently at 30 |
| 01:45:23 | linuxstb | BdN3504: Anything should be valid. "100" means 1 second. |
| 01:45:28 | | Part toffe82 |
| 01:45:34 | linuxstb | So it is currently 3 tenths of a second. |
| 01:45:43 | BdN3504 | kk, thank you |
| 01:46:03 | pleasemakev2cfw | If I do try the e200 v2 firmware and it makes by device useless, is there any way to return it to normal? |
| 01:47:00 | linuxstb | It depends what you mean by "useless". But if you install things correctly, there shouldn't be any problems. |
| 01:47:06 | Unhelpful | kugel: which platform? it should only use overlay on archos, and it stopped playback on those anyway, because it used the audio buffer rather than the plugin buffer for its cache. |
| 01:47:22 | kugel | Blue_Dude: there's a playback speed patch on the tracker that hooks/hacks/whatever into dsp too, maybe you can have a look there |
| 01:47:28 | kugel | Unhelpful: e200 |
| 01:47:37 | Unhelpful | v1? |
| 01:47:51 | kugel | yea |
| 01:47:52 | Blue_Dude | In order to keep latency down, I don't want to do the whole buffer at once. The buffer is relatively enormous time-wise. |
| 01:47:54 | pleasemakev2cfw | "Even though the bootloader installation is tested, there's always a fair risk of rendering your device useless" should I risk it? |
| 01:48:15 | Blue_Dude | Off to look at FS... |
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| 01:48:49 | Unhelpful | Blue_Dude: just because you process the whole buffer at once doesn't mean you need to apply the same volume to the whole thing. |
| 01:49:44 | Unhelpful | kugel: gah! i see the problem. i am duly shamed. :/ |
| 01:49:51 | Blue_Dude | That's true. I was more concerned about what happens if the user changes the setting on the fly and then has to listen through the whole buffer before hearing the change. |
| 01:50:03 | saratoga | pleasemakev2cfw: you asked that last night |
| 01:50:14 | pleasemakev2cfw | Yes I did |
| 01:50:35 | pleasemakev2cfw | I just can't wait |
| 01:50:39 | Blue_Dude | Of course, if that happens, I could just redo the whole thing again. How often does that happen anyway... |
| 01:50:42 | kugel | then don't wait |
| 01:51:04 | saratoga | pleasemakev2cfw: thats not a good reason to ask questions you already know the answer to |
| 01:51:06 | pleasemakev2cfw | You mean try it, and through 100 dollars down the drain? |
| 01:51:07 | kugel | as it says below, the e200v2 can actually be recovered |
| 01:51:24 | pleasemakev2cfw | connecting the 2 pins you mean |
| 01:51:31 | kugel | the critical code is well tested and stable |
| 01:51:35 | Blue_Dude | Well, I still need the raw audio before overlays, so I still need to hook into an intermediate step. |
| 01:51:56 | kugel | IMO, the real risk of bricking is next to zero, if you follow the instructions correctly |
| 01:52:08 | pleasemakev2cfw | IMO means what? |
| 01:52:16 | kugel | in my opinion |
| 01:52:22 | Unhelpful | kugel: i failed to revert before committing one of several changes i made in order to test the overlay build on beast. |
| 01:52:25 | pleasemakev2cfw | So why not officaly release it |
| 01:52:44 | kugel | Unhelpful: hehe |
| 01:52:58 | mt | phew ! all green. :) |
| 01:53:08 | pleasemakev2cfw | "Use clear, grammatical, correctly-spelled English." That would help |
| 01:53:48 | CIA-38 | New commit by unhelpful (r20916): Undo overlay test change which should not have been committed, should return PictureFlow to working during playback on non-Archos targets. |
| 01:53:54 | kugel | yea, but there's commonly used abbreviations that are accepted. Those which are explained in a page that the guidelines link to |
| 01:53:59 | Unhelpful | mt: don't worry, i'm sure you'll have a higher score on some commit in the future. :) |
| 01:54:06 | pleasemakev2cfw | right... |
| 01:54:20 | saratoga | pleasemakev2cfw: regarding a release, take a look at the TargetStatus page from last night |
| 01:54:41 | pleasemakev2cfw | where's that? I'm new so I got no idea |
| 01:55:07 | saratoga | its on the wiki, and you can see the logs from the front page if you need them |
| 01:55:53 | * | kugel doesnt see that |
| 01:55:56 | mt | Unhelpful : score = warnings + errors in a build ? |
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| 01:56:23 | kugel | errors*100 + warnings I think |
| 01:56:25 | pleasemakev2cfw | can you post a link please? |
| 01:56:31 | kugel | or *10, not sure |
| 01:56:31 | pleasemakev2cfw | Can you please post a link? |
| 01:56:34 | Unhelpful | mt: errors are worth more points. a really good commit can get thousands :) |
| 01:56:39 | kugel | my record is ~66k :P |
| 01:56:46 | pleasemakev2cfw | Can you post the URL? is it allowed? |
| 01:56:47 | pleasemakev2cfw | Can you post the URL? is it allowed? |
| 01:57:01 | mt | kugel : wow !! hope I don't break it ! :P |
| 01:57:02 | krazykit | pleasemakev2cfw, don't spam like that please |
| 01:57:30 | JdGordonn | mt don't worry gevearts holds the record at 777k |
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| 01:58:26 | kugel | mt: even if you do, you'll never beat the alltime record of ~700k :D |
| 01:58:55 | pleasemakev2cfw | Sorry it was kind of my internet's fault because I pressed enter and it didn't come up so I tried again. Sorry about that again that was not on purpose |
| 01:59:52 | Blue_Dude | All right, just picked up the FS patch for the DSP mod. I guess I'll be studying that for a while. |
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| 02:00:33 | saratoga | Blue_Dude: I don't know anything about the DSP system, but can't you just register a function in dsp_process? |
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| 02:02:35 | Blue_Dude | saratoga: I don't know yet how that works, but at first glance it's very promising. |
| 02:02:56 | pleasemakev2cfw | Link please? |
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| 02:05:32 | Blue_Dude | Very promising in fact. I'll have to have some quality time with that function... |
| 02:05:36 | Blue_Dude | Thanks! |
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| 02:07:34 | Blue_Dude | Looking for an honest answer: if I do get this thing working correctly, is there a shot at getting it committed to a regular build or will it just languish as a patch? |
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| 02:09:36 | saratoga | Blue_Dude: depends how efficiently you can get it to work, how cleanly you implement it, etc |
| 02:09:44 | saratoga | but assuming it works well I don't see why not |
| 02:10:18 | webguest34 | hey i have a problem with rockbox everytime i install the bootloader it says no ipod detected |
| 02:10:59 | saratoga | webguest34: does iTunes see the iPod? and what model is it? |
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| 02:11:28 | webguest34 | the model is ipod 5g video and yes itunes sees it |
| 02:11:34 | kugel | JdGordon|zzz: can we have both splash last 3 seconds (after your proposal), the 1 uses sleep(), the other a busy while(TIME_BEFORE()) loop? |
| 02:11:48 | kugel | that would make splashes much easier to handle |
| 02:12:12 | saratoga | webguest34: is it formatted fat32? |
| 02:12:19 | webguest34 | idk |
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| 02:12:37 | webguest34 | and how do i format |
| 02:13:12 | saratoga | I think Windows will tell you if you right click on it and choose properties, but i don't know about other operating systems |
| 02:13:34 | webguest34 | ok thanks im running windows |
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| 02:13:48 | * | kugel quite likes the idea of fixed splash timeout |
| 02:13:53 | pleasemakev2cfw | Can you install diferent themes on your sansa e200 instead of that rockbox plain menu theme? |
| 02:13:54 | webguest34 | so i format it as fat 32 |
| 02:14:05 | Unhelpful | kugel: ugh, no, please. |
| 02:14:23 | Unhelpful | again, splash with 0 timeout for debugging, it's actually a useful thing to have ;) |
| 02:14:24 | kugel | but 3s of non-yielding block would be disastrous I guess |
| 02:14:45 | pleasemakev2cfw | Can you install diferent themes on your sansa e200 instead of that rockbox plain menu theme? |
| 02:14:56 | Llorean | pleasemakev2cfw: Please, stop repeating every question. |
| 02:15:11 | Llorean | pleasemakev2cfw: You can see the features of Rockbox on the website or in the manual for any of the supported players |
| 02:15:18 | pleasemakev2cfw | Sorry, |
| 02:15:29 | kugel | Unhelpful: how exactly? |
| 02:15:31 | pleasemakev2cfw | I'm just an annoyign person |
| 02:15:46 | saratoga | you don't need to apologize, just stop doing it |
| 02:15:51 | pleasemakev2cfw | Ok |
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| 02:16:23 | pleasemakev2cfw | Just nobody was answering next time please explain to me to figure it out myself |
| 02:16:24 | Unhelpful | kugel: for putting data on the screen without stalling things, in a situation where the bug hangs the player. |
| 02:16:39 | JdGordon | kugel: ? |
| 02:16:46 | Unhelpful | pleasemakev2cfw: you need to be more patient. |
| 02:16:55 | kugel | Unhelpful: that still works if it's cancable isn't it? |
| 02:17:18 | kugel | JdGordon: nevermind, I figured it won't work |
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| 02:17:40 | Unhelpful | kugel: yes and no. 0 timeout means that the code just plain runs, and then freezes with your nice message on the screen ;) |
| 02:18:25 | * | kugel proposed dsplashf |
| 02:18:36 | kugel | or debugsplashf if you like it more |
| 02:19:02 | JdGordon | ? |
| 02:19:13 | kugel | proposes* |
| 02:19:19 | JdGordon | for what? |
| 02:19:37 | kugel | he needs the 0-timeout splash for debugging |
| 02:19:52 | Unhelpful | did i say *needs*? |
| 02:19:53 | JdGordon | yes, its very useful... |
| 02:20:10 | JdGordon | we arnt getting rid of 0 tick splashs |
| 02:22:01 | kugel | they're nasty from the UI pov |
| 02:23:03 | JdGordon | no they arn't |
| 02:23:10 | JdGordon | they do exatcly what they are suposed to |
| 02:23:18 | JdGordon | i.e let the user know it hasnt frozen up |
| 02:23:37 | kugel | uhm, no... |
| 02:24:41 | kugel | if there wasn't the code that follows it and removes it, it would exactly look like it was frozen (that applies to all splashes, but the non-0-timeout ones can be removed easier) |
| 02:25:44 | kugel | that's nothing more than relying on other (possibly unrelated parts) to do the job of clearing it. |
| 02:25:57 | JdGordon | thats not an issue with the splash though.. thats an issue with how you are doing viewports :) |
| 02:26:12 | kugel | I don't think so |
| 02:26:24 | JdGordon | thats ok... you are allowed to be wrong :D |
| 02:26:31 | kugel | lol :) |
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| 02:27:22 | kugel | surely it is a problem with splashes if the splashes can't clear themselve and rely on pure magic |
| 02:27:26 | Divadmils | hey guys |
| 02:28:16 | Divadmils | does anyone kno of someone attempting to make a build for sansa fuze? |
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| 02:29:33 | Divadmils | hello? |
| 02:29:51 | Llorean | Divadmils: Have you searched the forum? |
| 02:30:36 | Divadmils | yes but i couldnt find any specific details about how close it was to being done |
| 02:30:38 | kugel | Go to gtk/qt and tell them their dialog boxes should go away if the user gets a coffee, instead of being destroyed. They just laugh |
| 02:30:54 | Llorean | Divadmils: You didn't ask about how close it is, though, you asked if anyone was doing it at all. |
| 02:31:11 | Llorean | We don't give release dates, and being a development discussion, there's plenty of talk about what has been worked on |
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| 02:31:22 | Llorean | It's impossible to predict how long a volunteer effort will take |
| 02:31:28 | kugel | s/destroyed/destroyed explicetely in the same code when they're not usefull anymore/ |
| 02:31:57 | Divadmils | okay i get ya |
| 02:32:27 | Divadmils | thx |
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| 03:12:10 | soap | Llorean, am I missing some key word (as I am known to do)? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21593.0 |
| 03:12:50 | soap | reading through his comparison - 3.2 vs his current patch set, he better be getting nearly double the battery life. |
| 03:13:05 | Llorean | Yeah, basically neither of his battery benches are particularly useful |
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| 03:14:14 | soap | or shocking. |
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| 03:14:58 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 03:17:58 | JdGordon | anyone feel like testing FS #10198? |
| 03:22:03 | Llorean | JdGordon: Can't test it right now, but since it's functionality I want, I'll almost definitely give it a try sometime this week |
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| 04:29:24 | Kinos | Hey. Does Rockbox work with a Creative Zen X-Fi in any way? Is it even suggested? |
| 04:30:50 | saratoga | Kinos: I don't think so, but feel free to check the status link on the front page |
| 04:31:06 | saratoga | I mean I know it doesn't work, but I'm not sure if anyone has suggested it |
| 04:32:01 | Kinos | Does anyone have any interesting suggestions for a Zen? Its a nice MP3, but its not so nice for someone who likes to play around with stronger players though. :/ |
| 04:33:19 | saratoga | you're the first person I've heard mention it |
| 04:33:48 | saratoga | you could take a look at the NewPorts wiki page though |
| 04:35:59 | Kinos | mmk thanks |
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| 10:28:40 | funman | Bagder: still no news from AMS ? they seem to have forgotten us :/ |
| 10:28:56 | Bagder | I don't think it is about forgetting... |
| 10:29:07 | Bagder | but not a beep, no |
| 10:29:24 | funman | ignoring then ? |
| 10:29:50 | Bagder | exactly |
| 10:29:59 | Bagder | we've mailed quite a few people over there now |
| 10:33:04 | linuxstb | What have you been asking for? |
| 10:33:58 | Bagder | more docs |
| 10:34:10 | funman | especially AS3531 datasheet |
| 10:34:13 | Bagder | for the v2 AMSes |
| 10:34:52 | Bagder | I sent my mail to _4_ individuals, not one of them has replied |
| 10:35:39 | scorche|sh | individuals whom we have had previous correspondence with? |
| 10:36:11 | Bagder | exactly, some of them I've talked to, and the others have been CC'ed by people I've talked to when we've got previous docs |
| 10:36:57 | Bagder | and funman has talked to others too |
| 10:37:59 | * | GodEater wonders why we bother |
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| 10:40:22 | Bagder | because we don't know what to do instead! ;-) |
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| 10:46:46 | funman | we need a communication expert |
| 10:46:57 | funman | someone in marketing for example |
| 10:47:54 | funman | in FFmpeg a skilled person used to handle legal problems (people/firms stealing FFmpeg code) |
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| 15:35:36 | MarcGuay | Is "mp3entry" a bit of a leftover from before other codecs were involved? |
| 15:35:56 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:36:24 | MarcGuay | And "id3" as well? It refers to tags generally now? |
| 15:36:24 | linuxstb | It was wrong even before that - Rockbox supported mp2... |
| 15:36:50 | Zagor | I considered renaming it when I abstracted the metadata code some months back, but I decided it should be a separate step (and I didn't come up with a good name) |
| 15:37:42 | Zagor | MarcGuay: yes, "id3" generally means "track metadata" |
| 15:38:04 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Is the WAV stuff in test_codec only needed for the writing to file aspects? |
| 15:38:37 | linuxstb | mt: Do you have many commits left before you have caught up with FS #10182? |
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| 15:38:56 | MarcGuay | Zagor: Thanks. That helps a lot. |
| 15:38:57 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: Yes. |
| 15:40:44 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: And there's nothing in there that actually plays audio, correct? codec_thread_do_callback just passes the data to the codec thread, not the audio? |
| 15:41:22 | linuxstb | mt: Also, I don't know if you see it, but I get the warning "cookdata_fixpoint.h:430: warning: ‘cplscales’ defined but not used" |
| 15:41:23 | * | MarcGuay always seems to find himself back in the nightmare that is playback.c |
| 15:43:45 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: Correct. The "pcmbuf_insert" function is called by the codec to play the audio. test_codec just writes that data to the output wav file (or just drops it). |
| 15:44:05 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Thank you. |
| 15:44:21 | linuxstb | I don't know if it's possible for a plugin to write to that pcm buffer - that would seem a nicer way for things to work, than calling pcm_play_data etc |
| 15:44:42 | * | linuxstb wonders why no-one has tried that... |
| 15:44:57 | MarcGuay | I'm amazed no one has tried to create a drumpad before... |
| 15:45:23 | funman | Could the comment line 951 of ata-sd-pp.c explain filesystem corruption on Sansa e200v1 ? |
| 15:46:06 | funman | Well that would be only on models with more than one bank (8GB and more) |
| 15:47:07 | linuxstb | funman: jhMikeS wrote those comments - but I haven't seen him around recently... |
| 15:47:18 | preglow | how is rockbox and touchscreens these days? |
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| 16:02:14 | pixelma | MarcGuay: not sure what it exactly does but there is a start of something called "beatbox" in SVN |
| 16:03:12 | MarcGuay | pixelma: That's where I started, actually. It uses the MIDI patchset to create loops. |
| 16:03:26 | MarcGuay | I wanted custom samples and button triggers. |
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| 16:04:03 | pixelma | ah, ok. And well, as far as I know it's from the same author as midi(play) |
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| 16:06:46 | MarcGuay | pixelma: It's a bit strange as well because there's code in the trunk but the plugin isn't enabled? Pre-patch tracker stuff, I suppose. |
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| 16:10:28 | pixelma | yeah, I think it's not finished and guess it's not likely it will be if no-one else picks it up. I seem to *vaguely* remember that the author showed up a while ago and said he had to give back the target he developed on (a borrowed H300) |
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| 16:51:53 | evilnick | Unhelpful: Has that revert helped the problem with stuttering audio using jpg AA? |
| 16:53:03 | Unhelpful | evilnick: no, that only related to pictureflow - it was stopping playback outright to use the audio buffer. |
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| 16:53:25 | evilnick | Understood |
| 16:54:24 | * | Unhelpful wasn't sure that we'd actually diagnosed the problem - has anybody who knows how buffering works looked at what you saw on the debugging screen? |
| 16:55:37 | evilnick | I guess not. I'd be happy to report it again, perhaps in Flyspray? Would that get more attention? |
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| 17:00:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | evilnick: That's the best place to report, of course. :) |
| 17:01:16 | evilnick | I'll get to a full write-up at lunchtime then. |
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| 17:30:00 | pleasemakev2CFW | Is there anyway to change the primary boot to be the original firmware and not the rockbox one? |
| 17:30:18 | krazykit | not without editing the bootloader code |
| 17:30:59 | pleasemakev2CFW | So there is not settings like that, you need to edit some code? |
| 17:31:03 | AlexP | yes |
| 17:31:13 | AlexP | and then compile it |
| 17:31:46 | pleasemakev2CFW | Well that's to hard for me |
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| 17:34:27 | evilnick | pleasemakev2CFW: Looks like you're out of luck then. |
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| 19:03:33 | Hawson | Hows the port for the Sansa AMS devices going? |
| 19:04:44 | saratoga | Hawson: check the wiki, theres a link on the front page |
| 19:05:09 | Hawson | saratoga: well, I've found the wiki lags behind a bit sometimes. :) |
| 19:05:31 | saratoga | the wiki is dated . . . |
| 19:06:38 | evilnick | You could check the forum thread too |
| 19:06:38 | saratoga | i have questions about dircache and the file browser, is anyone familar with them at all? |
| 19:06:59 | Hawson | saratoga: over a month ago for the v2 page−−which is why I asked here |
| 19:07:31 | saratoga | "Port status as of May 11 2009." |
| 19:07:50 | saratoga | its been 12 hours since the wiki page was updated . . . |
| 19:08:29 | Hawson | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200v2 was updated on 30 March 2009. |
| 19:08:54 | saratoga | Hawson: check the current status link on the front page |
| 19:09:45 | saratoga | or even click the link under "Current Status" on the page you linked |
| 19:09:49 | * | Hawson nods |
| 19:09:50 | Hawson | danke |
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| 19:29:09 | juane414 | hey everyone, I'm wondering what it takes to make a theme, not just a wps... what does that require and what language are the themes coded in? |
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| 19:29:49 | lee321987 | does any of this "cook" stuff mean I can play some kind of Real Audio files now? |
| 19:29:56 | krazykit | lee321987, not yet |
| 19:30:11 | lee321987 | thanks |
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| 19:30:35 | krazykit | juane414, WPS markup, as documenetd on the wiki, along a few declarations in theme files (not sure if it's documented, but see other themes for examples of what is in them) |
| 19:31:05 | evilnick | juane414: A theme is pretty much the wps and list of what font to load, what backdrop to use. Have a look at the provided examples to see what the syntax is like. It's also in the Wiki |
| 19:31:15 | * | GodEater wonders when we'll implement a konami code based easter egg in rockbox :) |
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| 19:31:22 | juane414 | thanks guys |
| 19:31:31 | juane414 | whats the best way to open and view the code of a theme? |
| 19:31:49 | scorche|sh | text editor |
| 19:32:03 | juane414 | does notepad work? |
| 19:32:09 | evilnick | Yes it will |
| 19:32:34 | juane414 | great |
| 19:32:39 | juane414 | thanks much everyone |
| 19:32:48 | juane414 | i'll be back if i run into trouble |
| 19:32:51 | evilnick | The theme says: load this .wps file, so you're better off learning about wps's |
| 19:33:11 | juane414 | yea i read the wiki on customWPS |
| 19:33:17 | juane414 | looks pretty straightforward |
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| 19:34:24 | evilnick | There are a lot of examples that you can have a look at, which should make getting to grips with it a lot easier. |
| 19:34:54 | juane414 | is the Vim text editor preferable to notepad? |
| 19:35:17 | scorche|sh | that depends on your preferences....either will work |
| 19:35:18 | evilnick | Whichever is easiest for you to use, I believe. |
| 19:35:50 | evilnick | scorche|sh: Are there any line ending peculiarities? |
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| 19:37:20 | pixelma | no |
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| 19:38:35 | IuDeX | hi all |
| 19:39:34 | IuDeX | I saw the today funman commit. Can I downloadthe test compile without brickinfg my clip? (2gb) |
| 19:39:46 | IuDeX | only from svn |
| 19:40:11 | JdGordon| | no |
| 19:40:30 | IuDeX | Ok, thanks ;) |
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| 19:41:54 | GodEater | that was easy |
| 19:42:18 | mt | linuxstb : I still have to remove everything dependent on mem.c/h, so that I could remove mem.c/h, internal.h and common.h to catchup with the task. |
| 19:43:17 | linuxstb | mt: So did you manage to remove all dynamic memory usage? |
| 19:43:32 | linuxstb | (I haven't looked at the later patches in your task) |
| 19:44:15 | mt | In FS #10182 I had managed to remove all dynamic allocations yes. |
| 19:44:55 | mt | But not yet for the current libcook patches I'm working on. |
| 19:47:46 | mt | Is it OK to take bitstream.c/h and bswap.h from libwma ? (I think yes since both codecs should use the same files eventually) |
| 19:48:36 | linuxstb | Why do you need to? |
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| 19:49:30 | saratoga | linuxstb: I'd like to combine the two eventually |
| 19:50:15 | mt | I don't need to, it'd be easier to use them because they have already been optimized for rockbox (memory allocations .. etc.) |
| 19:50:49 | mt | And it's better to have just one set of files (bswap.h , bitsream.. ) for both codecs. |
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| 19:54:29 | linuxstb | bswap.h doesn't seem necessary - Rockbox already has core functions to do that. |
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| 19:55:22 | linuxstb | Although there are no 64-bit swap functions... |
| 19:56:23 | * | linuxstb sees the 64-bit usage in cook.c is commented out |
| 19:57:23 | mt | Yes there are no 64-bit functions |
| 19:59:11 | saratoga | libwma has a bitswap.h as well |
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| 20:00:27 | mt | That's why I said one set of files for both. :) |
| 20:02:02 | linuxstb | saratoga: Where? I can't see a bitswap.h |
| 20:02:25 | saratoga | bswap.h |
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| 20:03:05 | saratoga | sorry mistyped before |
| 20:03:29 | saratoga | i think all we use in it are the swap16 and swap32 redefines |
| 20:05:16 | linuxstb | Yes, there seems to be a lot of dead code in both bswap.h and bitstream.[ch] |
| 20:06:28 | saratoga | yes we only use a few of those functions, and I bet they could be made faster if cleaned up |
| 20:06:56 | linuxstb | Or at least we would have a chance of knowing that... |
| 20:07:06 | saratoga | i once played around with the different bitstream readers in ffmpeg and they made a surprisingly large difference, IIRC the other fast one for arm slowed decoding by a good 5% |
| 20:07:39 | saratoga | so theres probably room for optimization |
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| 20:10:14 | domonoky | Llorean: just saw your mails to Alex Wallis, We are discussing Accessibiltiy issues in rbutil with him, so asking about parts he cant find, isnt soo far offtopic. |
| 20:10:47 | Llorean | domonoky: It is if he starts a new thread on it, with it presented as a support issue. |
| 20:11:28 | Llorean | I'm just not certain he realizes he's posting to -dev, he's done that in the past I think |
| 20:13:01 | * | domonoky just wanted to mention that this two mails, didnt look too friendly.. |
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| 20:13:55 | Llorean | Well one of them was very much a feature request. |
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| 20:14:24 | Llorean | And I was quite polite, and even suggested to him where a better place to put it would be, and why it's better to have it in an easily searchable place. |
| 20:14:33 | domonoky | :-) |
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| 20:16:56 | juane414 | does anyone know if it would be possible to create a WPS in which the status bar is something other than a straight bar, i.e. circle, square, or have the progress bar go top to bottom? |
| 20:17:36 | linuxstb | What do you mean by "status bar" ? We use that to refer to the row of icons normally at the top of the screen. |
| 20:17:47 | juane414 | sorry |
| 20:17:50 | juane414 | i meant progress bar |
| 20:18:00 | linuxstb | So both your questions were about the progress bar? |
| 20:18:02 | JdGordon| | depends how acurate you want it to be... |
| 20:18:02 | juane414 | that displays how much of the song has been played |
| 20:18:09 | juane414 | yes sorry that wasn't clear |
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| 20:18:55 | Llorean | Speaking of status bar. |
| 20:19:07 | Llorean | Why would the status bar show a charging icon, but the WPS not make its charging status change? |
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| 20:19:37 | JdGordon| | because its a bug? |
| 20:19:44 | Llorean | On the Gigabeat S when charging from the actual charger, the status bar and WPS show charging. USB charging gets a plug on the status bar, but the WPS doesn't change. |
| 20:20:10 | JdGordon| | well.. the beast isnt a supported target... try on a supportet target with a current build |
| 20:20:11 | JdGordon| | :D |
| 20:20:29 | Llorean | Well, the same thing used to happen on the Gigabeat F too. |
| 20:20:31 | * | AlexP slaps JdGordon| :) |
| 20:20:44 | JdGordon| | used to happen? so maybe it doesnt happen in current builds? |
| 20:22:19 | juane414 | so about the progress bar, does it not have to be a straight line? |
| 20:22:46 | AlexP | juane414: IIRC, it can be one of two things |
| 20:23:00 | AlexP | juane414: a) A bitmap that reveals from left to right |
| 20:23:10 | JdGordon| | depends how you want to do it... you could have ti squigly using a transparent coloured mask in a image (i tinhk there is an example in the wiki) |
| 20:23:28 | AlexP | juane414: or b) you can use conditionals to display a different bitmap each time, but then it is less accurate |
| 20:23:46 | juane414 | i see |
| 20:24:15 | juane414 | how would that line with the conditionals look? |
| 20:24:19 | AlexP | b) is les accurate as you are limited to a maximum number of bitmaps, so it only changes every 100/number of images % |
| 20:24:30 | * | Llorean updates a Gigabeat F for JdGordon|'s sake |
| 20:24:59 | JdGordon| | hey, im just giving you your own medicine... |
| 20:25:12 | Llorean | That wasn't a complaint |
| 20:26:29 | Llorean | JdGordon|: It's a swusb problem, so it doesn't show up on the beast |
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| 20:26:47 | Llorean | But when an iPod charges from USB where you have to hold down Menu to connect, it doesn't register in the WPS but does on the status bar. |
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| 20:27:04 | JdGordon| | it sounds like a simple fix in gwps-commonc.c... |
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| 20:27:36 | JdGordon| | if the statusbar shows its charging and the wps doesnt then the wps is calling the wrong status checker function |
| 20:32:36 | pixelma | Llorean: could also be a bug in the WPS you are using |
| 20:33:20 | Llorean | pixelma: That the USB charger isn't shown, but the normal charger is? |
| 20:33:49 | Llorean | Also, the WPS is CabbieV2 |
| 20:33:56 | Llorean | So, being the default, it's still a Rockbox bug. ;) |
| 20:37:19 | pixelma | es (to the letter), I'm not sure about the first at the moment. I know that there are two related possible tags (battery power and battery charging), not sure what exactly the statusbar shows... |
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| 20:37:51 | * | pixelma replaces the start with "yes (to the latter)" |
| 20:38:38 | JdGordon| | shouldnt there be just 1 power tag? |
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| 20:38:58 | evilnick | On my Sansa E280 the charging plug is shown on the wps as expected (using CabbieV2) |
| 20:39:00 | JdGordon| | i.e with values for AC, usb charging, battery |
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| 20:39:25 | Jeroen__ | hi there |
| 20:39:37 | Jeroen__ | I'll be blunt, is this a place to ask for support? |
| 20:39:42 | AlexP | yes |
| 20:39:47 | Jeroen__ | Alright |
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| 20:39:51 | AlexP | For Rockbox anyway |
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| 20:40:06 | Jeroen__ | I've succesfully rockboxed my sansa e260, firmware v1-something |
| 20:40:14 | Jeroen__ | however, I cant play FLACs |
| 20:40:21 | Jeroen__ | I've tried umtliple files |
| 20:40:23 | Jeroen__ | differen builds |
| 20:40:26 | pixelma | not everything charges when connected to USB (but I think it's not possible to show "USB power" on the Ondio in the WPS - and the statusbar can) |
| 20:40:26 | saratoga | what happenes |
| 20:40:35 | Jeroen__ | a course to make less typo's -_- |
| 20:40:53 | Jeroen__ | What happens is that seems to try to play the file, the filetype is marked as "?" |
| 20:41:00 | Jeroen__ | And it then goes back to the library |
| 20:41:11 | Jeroen__ | no error message or the like |
| 20:41:19 | Jeroen__ | I've deleted and reinstalled the flac.codec file |
| 20:41:19 | JdGordon| | pixelma: ok, usb power shuold be close enough to usb charging to be able to use the same value |
| 20:41:40 | Jeroen__ | The files do show up in the library, but that's it |
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| 20:42:05 | Jeroen__ | I'm kind of at a loss here..I was expecting of all things that is would work ;) |
| 20:42:13 | pixelma | JdGordon|: I always assumed there was a reason but since the target(s) I started with didn't have it, it didn't bother me much |
| 20:42:37 | pixelma | Jeroen__: what type of tags do your FLAC files have? |
| 20:42:50 | pixelma | or how did you rip them |
| 20:43:58 | Jeroen__ | I ripped one set of flac's from a CD I own using foobar2000 |
| 20:44:05 | Jeroen__ | the other set was downloaded |
| 20:44:40 | Jeroen__ | reference libFLAC 1.2.1 200709017 |
| 20:44:44 | Jeroen__ | hnn |
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| 20:45:57 | saratoga | pastebin the properties of one of the files from foobar |
| 20:46:19 | Jeroen__ | Duration : 3:22.067 (8911140 samples) |
| 20:46:21 | Jeroen__ | Sample Rate : 44100 Hz |
| 20:46:22 | Jeroen__ | Channels : 2 |
| 20:46:24 | Jeroen__ | Bits Per Sample : 16 |
| 20:46:25 | Jeroen__ | Bitrate : 921 kbps |
| 20:46:27 | Jeroen__ | Codec : FLAC |
| 20:46:29 | Jeroen__ | Encoding : lossless |
| 20:46:30 | Jeroen__ | Tool : reference libFLAC 1.2.1 20070917 |
| 20:46:32 | pixelma | pastebin! |
| 20:46:32 | Jeroen__ | Embedded Cuesheet : no |
| 20:46:33 | Jeroen__ | Audio MD5 : 9108FC0EF2858D6B68B76C3F9C9678C0 |
| 20:46:35 | Jeroen__ | that's one I ripped |
| 20:46:40 | saratoga | read better |
| 20:46:42 | Jeroen__ | my bad, not sure what you mean by that |
| 20:46:47 | * | Jeroen__ gos back to google |
| 20:46:57 | saratoga | how come you didn't get kicked for that |
| 20:47:00 | JdGordon| | why didnt logbot boot him? |
| 20:47:16 | Bagder | no ops |
| 20:47:26 | Jeroen__ | right |
| 20:47:53 | Jeroen__ | I'm not familiar with this tool, so I'm not sure how to quite use it.. |
| 20:48:23 | AlexP | 1) Go to pastebin.com 2) Paste the info 3) Give us the link :) |
| 20:48:23 | saratoga | Bagder:? |
| 20:48:32 | Jeroen__ | http://pastebin.com/m48d87609 |
| 20:48:34 | #>> | "needs ops to be able to kick" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 20:48:44 | Jeroen__ | I'll pastebin a few more |
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| 20:50:03 | Jeroen__ | http://pastebin.com/m1d6d11ec and http://pastebin.com/m1a6018ac |
| 20:50:16 | pixelma | I don't see in my foobar that it displays the tag type (vorbis comments or ID3) in the properties so am not sure if it's worth it |
| 20:50:20 | Jeroen__ | the obvious first thing to notice would be that the used codec seems somewhat old |
| 20:50:27 | Jeroen__ | 2007 |
| 20:50:44 | Torne | is the container native or ogg, as well |
| 20:50:55 | Jeroen__ | native |
| 20:52:13 | saratoga | does foobar read the tags? |
| 20:52:35 | pixelma | do you have any other tagging programs? |
| 20:52:44 | Jeroen__ | What tags exactly? I'm getting this info from foobar's properties. |
| 20:52:58 | saratoga | did you tag the files? |
| 20:53:05 | Jeroen__ | I don't use anything else to tag from what I know, I've been using foobar from way before this |
| 20:53:10 | Jeroen__ | No, these came pretagged |
| 20:53:16 | Jeroen__ | one set I did hav eto tag ymself |
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| 20:53:23 | saratoga | does foobar read those tags? |
| 20:53:38 | Jeroen__ | the ones I ripped I had to tag with an online db, foobar is handy like that |
| 20:53:55 | Jeroen__ | I believe so, I believe I'm not sure what you're trying to ask me specifically.. |
| 20:54:06 | Jeroen__ | when I play the file, I do get tags as in name, container etc |
| 20:54:09 | Jeroen__ | bitrate, you name it |
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| 20:54:37 | Jeroen__ | Apologies if I'm hogging and spamming up the channel here |
| 20:54:45 | saratoga | lets try something easier |
| 20:54:54 | saratoga | do the files have an artist tag, and does foobar read it if they do? |
| 20:55:16 | Jeroen__ | Heh, yeah. I'm not exactly a coder. And yes, that's what the files do and foobar does read them.. |
| 20:55:36 | saratoga | and this exact file does not decode in rockbox? |
| 20:55:39 | Jeroen__ | I thought you were hinting to a possible different sort of tags.. |
| 20:55:41 | Jeroen__ | Nope |
| 20:55:43 | Jeroen__ | none of them |
| 20:55:59 | Jeroen__ | mp3 |
| 20:56:03 | Jeroen__ | woops |
| 20:56:10 | Jeroen__ | mp3's play just fine..just so you know |
| 20:56:12 | Torne | Jeroen__: some people use ID3 tags on FLAC files even though this is not technically allowed |
| 20:56:16 | robin0800 | Jeroen__: paste tag view from foobar please |
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| 20:57:05 | Jeroen__ | http://pastebin.com/m26a3bde4 |
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| 21:01:22 | Jeroen__ | Yeah, I don't know either :P |
| 21:01:25 | pixelma | do you have any other tagging programs? |
| 21:01:53 | Jeroen__ | Well I have windows media player installed, but not used for music |
| 21:02:14 | Jeroen__ | Though I suppose it might auto-tag stuff? |
| 21:02:35 | evilnick | It *shouldn't* touch flac, AFAIK |
| 21:03:00 | Jeroen__ | heh, I can actually play flacs with WMP |
| 21:03:18 | evilnick | Are you using Windows7? |
| 21:03:30 | Jeroen__ | YES |
| 21:03:47 | Jeroen__ | And I desperately need to update to the RC..but that's beside the point |
| 21:06:36 | evilnick | Can you try checking the file using EasyTag as that tells us what format the tags are in? (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5216&package_id=133407&release_id=506703) |
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| 21:07:04 | Jeroen__ | alright, hang on |
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| 21:10:38 | Jeroen___ | wow, sourceforge must be having a bad day |
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| 21:13:28 | Jeroen___ | okay, so I have one of the files opened in easytag |
| 21:13:52 | Jeroen___ | do I need to export some data now, evilnick ? |
| 21:15:05 | evilnick | Good question, I'm assuming that there's an option to view what format the tags are in, but I haven't used the program myself before! |
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| 21:15:44 | Jeroen___ | I'm looking through, it mainly seems like a good tool to actually fill the empty tag spaces..which would be a bad idea now |
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| 21:16:19 | Jeroen___ | I can give you a brief description, the FLAC Vorbis tag has the title, artist, Album, yeah, genre and track number listed |
| 21:16:26 | Jeroen___ | that's about it |
| 21:16:46 | evilnick | FLAC _vorbis_ was what we needed to know |
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| 21:18:25 | Jeroen___ | alright, so the conclusion is? :P |
| 21:18:56 | evilnick | Could you send the smallest file to someone via rapidshare? Or some other web-based service. |
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| 21:20:16 | Horscht | hi |
| 21:20:28 | evilnick | Of the file that will NOT play on Rockbox. I don't know why it won't work yet, but there should be a simple reason and it's difficult to troubleshoot these without having the files themselves. |
| 21:20:49 | Horscht | seems as if I was a bit too hasty with my happiness about Rockbox supporting jpeg Albumart |
| 21:21:53 | pixelma | Jeroen__: can you see an error message when you try to play the files? |
| 21:22:38 | Horscht | using folder.jpg, the player only skips and stutters. Seems as if my 1400x1400 jpegs are just too much... |
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| 21:23:02 | JdGordon| | there is a simple answer to that... |
| 21:23:13 | Jeroen___ | okay |
| 21:23:15 | Jeroen___ | just a sec |
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| 21:24:50 | Jeroen___ | Also, there is no error message |
| 21:24:50 | Jeroen___ | http://rapidshare.com/files/232216694/Foreword.flac.html |
| 21:24:50 | Jeroen___ | this refuses to play |
| 21:25:00 | evilnick | Horscht: From what I could understand when I spoke to Unhelpful about this, the size of the AA only matters to a certain point, as there are some fancy tricks to reduce by 8x (or something) |
| 21:25:29 | Jeroen___ | there's also no album art.. |
| 21:26:27 | Horscht | evilnick, i got another album with a 600x600 art, which works fine, though. I realy think it's a resolution issue |
| 21:26:43 | gevaerts | Jeroen___: have you tried other codecs? Do any of them work? |
| 21:27:07 | evilnick | jeroen__: That file plays fine for me on my Sansa e280 |
| 21:27:28 | evilnick | gevaerts: mp3 work fine |
| 21:27:41 | gevaerts | does ogg work? |
| 21:27:50 | Jeroen___ | let me see |
| 21:27:53 | JdGordon| | jeroen__you said you removed and reinstall flac.codec... did you make sure it was from the right build? |
| 21:28:31 | Jeroen___ | I removed the flac.codec, and then simply reinstalled rockbox |
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| 21:29:22 | evilnick | Can you try unzipping a new build onto your player making sure to overwrite where there are collisions please. |
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| 21:30:21 | pixelma | how did you uninstall the flac codec, I mean it isn't the first thing that would come to my mind... |
| 21:30:32 | Jeroen___ | I'm using the installer, and I've switched build about 3 times now I believe, but I'll have another try |
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| 21:31:53 | evilnick | Where did you get the installer from? |
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| 21:36:19 | Jeroen___ | the rockbox website of course |
| 21:36:26 | Jeroen___ | tried unzipping a new build, no chancge |
| 21:36:31 | Jeroen___ | changes* |
| 21:36:57 | Jeroen___ | AS for uninstalling the flac codec, I simply deleted the flac.codec file |
| 21:37:14 | gevaerts | Can you go to the System menu and give us the version from the Rockbox Info item? |
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| 21:38:53 | Jeroen___ | Version: r20912-090511 |
| 21:39:03 | Jeroen___ | And yes, don't you worry this is the latest version AFAIK |
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| 21:39:36 | evilnick | Isn't it 12th May (or even 13th in Rockbox-time)? |
| 21:40:01 | gevaerts | it isn't actually :) Current is 20920. Close enough though |
| 21:40:09 | Jeroen___ | okay got me there, the last one I unzipped was the one I downloaded yesterday |
| 21:40:16 | Jeroen___ | but I did try the most recent one using the installer |
| 21:40:45 | gevaerts | evilnick: what version are you running? |
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| 21:41:56 | gevaerts | Jeroen___: have you tried checking the filesystem? Filesystem corruption can cause really weird issues sometimes |
| 21:42:14 | evilnick | gevaerts: One from 2 or 3 days ago, but I was plugging in my player to update as you asked the question! |
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| 21:42:59 | Jeroen___ | As a matter of fact, I do have one odd file that is 4GB large and cannot be rmeeved according to windows, but the player doesn't seem to recognise it, fortunately :P |
| 21:43:04 | Jeroen___ | removed* |
| 21:43:47 | evilnick | If it's 4GB then that implies it's corrupt... AFAIK 4GB is the largest filesize supported by FAT32 |
| 21:43:48 | Jeroen___ | What would be the best way of checking the filesystem? |
| 21:44:03 | gevaerts | chkdsk from a command prompt |
| 21:44:38 | Jeroen___ | yes, but that one file is simply called 'P'..that's all |
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| 21:47:09 | Jeroen___ | alright, chkdsk definetly found some stuff |
| 21:47:12 | Jeroen___ | should I let it repair? |
| 21:47:18 | evilnick | Jeroen___: Yes |
| 21:47:20 | gevaerts | do you have backups of everything? |
| 21:47:27 | Jeroen___ | yup |
| 21:47:30 | evilnick | +provided you have backups |
| 21:47:37 | gevaerts | ok. Let it repair |
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| 21:49:13 | Jeroen___ | well, that went smooth |
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| 21:49:31 | gevaerts | maybe reinstall rockbox now to make sure it's clean |
| 21:52:12 | Jeroen___ | latest or stable? |
| 21:52:29 | MarcGuay | Either. |
| 21:52:37 | gevaerts | your choice. I just want to make sure that all files are correct |
| 21:54:48 | Jeroen___ | No dice :/ |
| 21:55:06 | Jeroen___ | What is interesting though is that it will attempt to play the next file in the list |
| 21:55:28 | Jeroen___ | and even though I know it's a flac file, in the 'now playing' it is listed as a .mp3 |
| 21:56:50 | gevaerts | Can you play the file from your PC (from the sansa drive)? Maybe it got corrupted from the filesystem corruption as well? |
| 21:57:55 | Jeroen___ | yeah, no problem there |
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| 21:59:20 | * | gevaerts is getting close to suggesting to actually format the sansa even though that shouldn't be needed |
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| 22:01:10 | Torne | if it gets recognised as an mp3 then i would be very tempted to guess it has an id3 tag |
| 22:01:18 | Torne | and that rockbox's decoder cna't deal with that |
| 22:01:29 | Jeroen___ | okay, let's assume that |
| 22:01:31 | gevaerts | Torne: evilnick could play it apparently |
| 22:01:42 | Torne | hm |
| 22:01:57 | Torne | still, shouldn't be very hard to check |
| 22:02:07 | Jeroen___ | well I uploaded the file |
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| 22:02:17 | Jeroen___ | if you want to check it, feel free |
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| 22:02:28 | Torne | not really in a position to, i'm afraid |
| 22:02:30 | Torne | not on a real computer :) |
| 22:02:33 | Jeroen___ | ah |
| 22:03:31 | gevaerts | also, doesn't rockbox use the extention to decide on which codec to use? |
| 22:03:57 | Torne | no idea, i'm afraid |
| 22:03:59 | Torne | i'm just speculating |
| 22:04:13 | pixelma | and also he said that the info shows correctly in the database, if I understood correctly |
| 22:04:15 | Torne | having had other programs choke in the past on unusual combinations of tag/container |
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| 22:04:46 | Torne | people stuff id3/ape on anything, in my experience :0 |
| 22:04:57 | Torne | without any regard for whether the decoder will cope |
| 22:05:10 | gevaerts | Well, rockbox doesn't like flac with id3, that's for sure. But the fact that evilnick can play it on his sansa seems to prove that this is not the problem... |
| 22:06:28 | * | gevaerts suspects that chkdsk didn't clean up everything perfectly this time... |
| 22:07:46 | Jeroen___ | man, I might as wlel just try to reconvert everything or something :P |
| 22:07:56 | Jeroen___ | to mp3, if I must |
| 22:08:10 | gevaerts | Jeroen___: I'd try formatting the device and copying the files again |
| 22:08:27 | Torne | well, if someone else with the same player can play the file and you can't |
| 22:08:35 | Torne | then either your build is broken or there's something wrong with the player, ya'd think |
| 22:08:42 | Jeroen___ | Just to be clear..which files? What happens to the original firmware if I do so? |
| 22:09:07 | gevaerts | the original firmware doesn't sit on the data partition, so that won't be touched |
| 22:09:11 | Torne | Jeroen___: rockbox, and the files you are trying to play |
| 22:10:09 | evilnick | Yeah, it works fine for me, using a build from a couple of days ago. It's recognised as flac correctly and plays without any issues. |
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| 22:10:45 | Torne | linuxstb: did you get a chance to look at my ipod bootloader patch? *nag* :) |
| 22:10:49 | Torne | also hi |
| 22:11:27 | linuxstb | Hi ;) |
| 22:15:24 | linuxstb | Torne: Nicely written comment - I had forgetten it did all that... |
| 22:15:34 | Torne | well now people will know ;) |
| 22:15:54 | linuxstb | Well, people that read the source... ;) |
| 22:16:52 | Torne | well, yah |
| 22:17:17 | Torne | if it gets committed i'll happily try and write up a more mortal-friendly description for the wiki somewhere |
| 22:17:18 | linuxstb | For some reason, your patch doesn't apply cleanly (it applies with "fuzz 2") |
| 22:17:19 | Jeroen___ | backing up music takes long.. -_- |
| 22:17:22 | Torne | really? |
| 22:17:24 | Torne | Oh, er |
| 22:17:32 | Torne | hm, no, don't know actually |
| 22:17:41 | Torne | i have a huge loom of patches but i can't see anything else touching ipod.c |
| 22:17:53 | linuxstb | in bootloader/ipod.c - "Hunk #3 succeeded at 374 with fuzz 2". and "Hunk #4 succeeded at 401 with fuzz 2." |
| 22:17:56 | Torne | so it should be reasonably fine for svn trunk |
| 22:18:10 | evilnick | Jeroen___: You only have to backup the contents of the internal flash, you can take the SD card out for this testing |
| 22:18:11 | Torne | lemme go check the loom |
| 22:18:56 | Jeroen___ | I am backing up the content of the internal flash actually, in fact, I'm using using an SD card |
| 22:19:00 | Jeroen___ | (nor a microSD card) |
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| 22:21:26 | Torne | linuxstb: weird, it has fuzz 2 for me as well |
| 22:21:33 | Torne | if i apply to a copy of upstream |
| 22:21:42 | * | Torne wonders what bzr has screwed up :) |
| 22:22:10 | linuxstb | Torne: Well, it seems OK... It also had DOS line endings, but that's not a problem. |
| 22:22:18 | Torne | Oh, sorry about that |
| 22:22:26 | Torne | i generated the diff on my work pc i think |
| 22:22:28 | linuxstb | It's OK, patch spots that. |
| 22:22:33 | rushfan | Hello. When I try to build my database using the latest release on an iPod Video 64mb, it gets stuck when it says "... 1441 found" everytime. |
| 22:22:35 | Torne | via the high tech method of copy and paste |
| 22:22:48 | rushfan | Is there anything I can do about this/at least see exactly what file it is looking at that moment? |
| 22:22:59 | Torne | lemme redo the patch in bzr real quick just to be sure |
| 22:23:26 | linuxstb | Torne: Hmm, I'm wondering if that Rockbox string will interfere with mi4 targets (Sansas etc) |
| 22:23:38 | linuxstb | (in crt0-pp.S) - it's not just used for ipods. |
| 22:23:48 | Torne | i believe it just gets overwritten |
| 22:23:54 | Torne | but i've not tested it as i don't have those players |
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| 22:24:07 | linuxstb | Yes, I expect so too. |
| 22:24:23 | Torne | hm, if i redo the patch in bzr it applies with no fuzz |
| 22:24:28 | * | Torne diffs the diffs :) |
| 22:24:36 | evilnick | rushfan: The best way is a binary search. Take half the songs off the player and try to build the database. If it succeeds then take the second half (of now known good songs) off and put the first half back on. Rinse and repeat. |
| 22:25:18 | Torne | aha! |
| 22:25:32 | Torne | the one i posted on the tracker has lost all the trailing whitespace on lines |
| 22:25:44 | Torne | dunno what i did to it to end up that way and with dos line endings |
| 22:25:46 | Jeroen___ | Formatting.. |
| 22:25:52 | Torne | i can upload the good one if you like ;) |
| 22:25:54 | Torne | just to be safe |
| 22:26:13 | gevaerts | Jeroen___: FAT32 I hope? |
| 22:26:20 | linuxstb | Torne: No, I think it's OK. |
| 22:26:29 | Torne | yah |
| 22:26:49 | Jeroen___ | lol |
| 22:26:50 | Jeroen___ | yeah |
| 22:27:00 | toffe82 | perhaps some interesting codethere for the usb mtp on windows : http://code.google.com/p/jusbpmp/ |
| 22:27:08 | Jeroen___ | I wonder if I should've just done quick format though |
| 22:27:10 | Jeroen___ | but w/e |
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| 22:27:55 | linuxstb | Torne: My "svn diff" (after applying your patch looks the same as your diff, so I think we're good. |
| 22:28:05 | Torne | ok :) |
| 22:28:09 | Torne | justwhitespace cockups then |
| 22:28:56 | gevaerts | toffe82: I doubt it. That just uses libmtp |
| 22:29:41 | rushfan | evilnick: I think first I'll upgrade to the latest build and see if that helps |
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| 22:30:12 | evilnick | rushfan: That should be the first move whenever you encounter bugs with Rockbox ;) |
| 22:31:51 | rushfan | evilnick: yeah. I'm having a slow day here I shoulda done that earlier :\ |
| 22:32:53 | rushfan | evilnick: could it be getting stuck on a corrupted mp3 file or something? |
| 22:33:04 | linuxstb | Torne: I've just tried a Sansa e200 build - the "Rockbox" string isn't being overwritten, but I can't think of a reason it being there would be a problem... |
| 22:33:17 | Torne | i meant at boot time |
| 22:33:25 | evilnick | It's possible. Or perhaps only the tags are corrupted? |
| 22:33:43 | Torne | but i'm not very clear on what all the mi4 stuff is |
| 22:33:52 | Torne | so, it might be good if someone tried it i guess |
| 22:33:53 | Torne | :) |
| 22:34:02 | rushfan | evilnick: could be actually |
| 22:34:05 | evilnick | rushfan: Maybe you should run chkdsk on it before going ahead with the binary search. |
| 22:34:32 | evilnick | rushfan: Also, very big tags (like embedded AA) can have weird effects on the database (and on playback) |
| 22:34:37 | rushfan | well it made it pas 1141 this time :| |
| 22:34:52 | linuxstb | Torne: Or we could just play it safe and #ifdef IPOD_ARCH that change to crt0-pp.S |
| 22:34:54 | Torne | hm, crt0-pp-bl.S says scramble writes to 0xe0-0xeb |
| 22:35:05 | rushfan | oh no, it was 1441 and it got stuck again |
| 22:35:06 | rushfan | heh |
| 22:35:07 | Torne | which is way after the Rockbox\1 string |
| 22:35:23 | Torne | linuxstb: yah. i was figuring it might be a generically useful thing, possibly |
| 22:35:30 | Torne | not right now perhaps buthey |
| 22:35:41 | rushfan | evilnick: can it read the tags off of m4a files nicely? |
| 22:35:45 | Torne | i was a little surprised that the binary didn't *already* have some kind of header info ;) |
| 22:35:52 | rushfan | Cause I have some (not drm) m4a files off of itunes |
| 22:36:24 | evilnick | rushfan: Yes it can. Anything that is the standard form of tagging for that format of music file. |
| 22:36:38 | rushfan | ok |
| 22:37:43 | Torne | linuxstb: yeah, i've just looked in tools/mi4.c and the checksums/magic/model that go into the file are all from 0xe0-0xe8 (and the last word) |
| 22:37:53 | Torne | so it should be okay |
| 22:38:08 | Torne | up to you |
| 22:39:03 | Horscht | so... either Album art is broken or Rockbox gets very confused about cover.bmp and folder.jpg existing |
| 22:39:27 | evilnick | Horscht: It should prioritise jpg over bmp |
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| 22:39:46 | Horscht | well.... it shows neiterh... |
| 22:40:08 | Horscht | but deleting folder.jpg fixes it... |
| 22:40:12 | evilnick | Is it a single-scan jpg file? |
| 22:40:22 | evilnick | Was it a single-scan jpg file? ;) |
| 22:41:11 | Horscht | having access to a copy, how would I know? |
| 22:41:48 | CIA-38 | New commit by dave (r20921): FS #9730 by Torne Wuff - support installing Rockbox in the firmware partition in place of the main Apple firmware. This image is only loaded if no ... |
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| 22:44:11 | evilnick | Horscht: Sorry, I have no idea. But you could try copying it and converting it (via Irfanview or similar) to a standard jpg file and see if that fixes it. |
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| 22:45:05 | Horscht | let me just try jpg only without bmp |
| 22:45:08 | pixelma | can you watch it using the jpeg viewer? |
| 22:46:52 | Horscht | hm... no |
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| 22:48:32 | Torne | linuxstb: thanks :) |
| 22:48:39 | Torne | linuxstb: i can slightly reduce my patch stack! :) |
| 22:50:38 | CIA-38 | New commit by mt (r20922): -Remove all dynamic allocations, hence remove cook_decode_close() which was basically ... |
| 22:51:41 | linuxstb | Torne: No problem! And all green - http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi ;) |
| 22:51:57 | Horscht | evilnick, i opened the jpg in paint.net and saved it again. Shrinking it from 1.4MB to 800kb |
| 22:52:10 | Torne | linuxstb: woah, it can build all that in 8 minutes? |
| 22:52:15 | Horscht | what does "single-scan" mean in the context of a jpeg? |
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| 22:52:37 | linuxstb | Torne: "it" being lots of servers |
| 22:52:49 | Torne | heh |
| 22:52:52 | Torne | well, i guess |
| 22:52:56 | linuxstb | http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-20090512T204235Z.html |
| 22:53:32 | Torne | if only i could parallelise like that at work ;) |
| 22:53:38 | Torne | but alas our tree sucks |
| 22:53:42 | Torne | and our build system sucks worse |
| 22:53:54 | mt | linuxstb : "The advantage is a small _increase_ in boottime" ? |
| 22:54:06 | linuxstb | mt: Hmm, I perhaps didn't mean that ;) |
| 22:54:11 | Torne | haha |
| 22:54:13 | Torne | i didn't notice ;) |
| 22:54:14 | mt | heh :) |
| 22:55:11 | mt | linuxstb : I think I caught up with FS #101082 |
| 22:55:20 | mt | oops .. #10182 |
| 22:56:15 | * | mt waits for the new build .. |
| 22:58:14 | saratoga | mt: then you're going to start working on the rockbox part of the codec? |
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| 22:59:11 | Horscht | rm = real media? |
| 22:59:30 | mt | saratoga : I believe so yes, but I still need to separate librm and libcook, or should that be done later ? |
| 22:59:36 | mt | Horscht : yes |
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| 23:01:45 | saratoga | mt: is the rm parser in rm2wav.c? |
| 23:02:21 | mt | saratoga : yes. I should rename it to rm.c though, didn't notice :) |
| 23:02:46 | saratoga | if its all in one file sepearting it from libcook should be pretty easy i think |
| 23:03:49 | linuxstb | Well, for use in Rockbox, the parser needs rewriting to parse a memory buffer, rather than read small parts at a time from a file handle. |
| 23:04:19 | linuxstb | Although the metadata parsing version may need to. |
| 23:04:33 | mt | ah yes, all in one file. I'll just have to take rm.[c/h] out of libcook and modify the #includes in cook and main. |
| 23:07:21 | mt | linuxstb : But this too falls under ''porting to rockbox''. I think saratoga means just getting the parser out of the way. (or at least that's what I mean ;) ) |
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| 23:12:23 | saratoga | the parser looks fairly compact, could you just put it into apps/codecs/rm.c ? |
| 23:13:08 | JdGordon| | pixelma: oh, can you have a look at the manual patch in 10198 please? (and test the actual patch if you want?) :) |
| 23:15:10 | mt | saratoga : I could move rm.c/h to /codecs. (though I only see *.c's there ? ) |
| 23:15:23 | linuxstb | saratoga: That would make it harder to support other codecs. It would be better in a lib. But my point was that the existing code is possibly not worth moving, but rather a new parser can be written (based heavily on the existing code) instead of moving rm2wav.c |
| 23:15:55 | saratoga | whats the advantage of a lib? all rm codecs will need to pass through rm.c anyway |
| 23:16:19 | linuxstb | No they won't. |
| 23:16:44 | saratoga | which wouldn't? |
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| 23:17:19 | linuxstb | I mean you would have a separate codec for each format - the same way as speex/vorbis or aac/alac are handled |
| 23:17:22 | Jeroen___ | in case anyone is still around |
| 23:17:25 | Jeroen___ | stuff seems to work now |
| 23:17:29 | saratoga | ok that makes sense |
| 23:18:03 | linuxstb | The get_metadata() function identifies which actual codec is needed - that will be the same for all rm files. |
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| 23:20:52 | gevaerts | Jeroen___: great :) |
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| 23:26:59 | mt | linuxstb , saratoga : any comments on the last commit ? |
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| 23:28:49 | linuxstb | mt: So far, only the fact that it is hard to look at because it contains lots of different changes. |
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| 23:31:04 | Jeroen___ | thanks a lot of ryour help! |
| 23:31:07 | Jeroen___ | ..ugh |
| 23:31:10 | Jeroen___ | nvm the typos |
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| 23:33:53 | joejc | is it possible to install rockbox on a ipod that doesnt have the default firmware? |
| 23:34:42 | linuxstb | In theory, yes. But in practice, no - the Rockbox install tools require a working ipod to modify. |
| 23:35:09 | joejc | thats stupid |
| 23:35:20 | linuxstb | Thanks. |
| 23:37:07 | joejc | does rockbox use the default firmware for anything? |
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| 23:38:26 | joejc | like playing drm music or something |
| 23:38:31 | Llorean | The default install tools set up a dual boot so that Rockbox can be removed safely, and the iPod can safely be used even if Rockbox fails. |
| 23:39:03 | linuxstb | joejc: No, Rockbox doesn't use the original firmware in that way. |
| 23:39:19 | linuxstb | joejc: Restoring the apple firmware is straightforward though - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
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| 23:41:50 | joejc | thanks |
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| 23:42:46 | joejc | would it be possible to format a ipod to ext3? |
| 23:43:17 | Llorean | Rockbox won't run on ext3 |
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| 23:44:26 | linuxstb | joejc: Rockbox only supports FAT |
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| 23:44:53 | joejc | only fat not hfs? |
| 23:45:00 | linuxstb | Correct. |
| 23:45:45 | joejc | how does it work on mac pods? |
| 23:46:03 | linuxstb | It doesn't. Macpod owners need to reformat as fat. |
| 23:46:21 | linuxstb | (our fine manual describes all this...) |
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| 23:47:06 | joejc | but it doesnt respond to me when i ask stupid questions |
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| 23:48:09 | pixelma | then maybe we won't, too |
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| 23:48:37 | evilnick | pixelma: This is expected behaviour, isn't it? That the dynamic playlist is cleared unless Repeat is set to anything other than Off. |
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| 23:48:55 | pixelma | as far as I know, yes |
| 23:50:23 | Llorean | evilnick: It's been debated whether "Resume" should also mean "re-start" a playlist that has come to the end now that we preserve the contents of the playlist to be viewed in the playlist viewer, but nobody's written the patch yet, I believe. |
| 23:50:53 | JdGordon| | it has? |
| 23:51:15 | evilnick | I do remember the discussion |
| 23:51:33 | JdGordon| | I mean, yeah that sounds reasonable, I just dont remember any discussion |
| 23:51:43 | JdGordon| | which obviously doesnt mean it didnt happen.... just... |
| 23:51:44 | Llorean | JdGordon|: Yeah, it has. |
| 23:51:48 | evilnick | Well, that it happened rather than who said what and what the justifications were. |
| 23:51:55 | Llorean | pondlife was a part of it, I'm pretty sure. |
| 23:53:07 | JdGordon| | pixelma: got disconnected, dunno if you saw my reqeust before... I'd rather not commit the patch without the manual change... |
| 23:53:09 | pixelma | JdGordon: re. 10198 - what's with USB power? I'm asking because the way you enter it is basically the same as USB charging on other targets (hold a specific button while plugging USB). And second question - how does it interfere with other (long) button presses? |
| 23:53:16 | JdGordon| | oh snap :p |
| 23:54:09 | pixelma | USB power on Ondio... I'm not sure but I think it isn't even mentioned in the manual yet :| |
| 23:54:13 | JdGordon| | pixelma: the change is to give the user the choice of charging or connecting as msc when usb happens, and pressing *any* button to do the other thing instead |
| 23:54:37 | pixelma | well, the Ondio doesn't charge though |
| 23:54:43 | JdGordon| | it interferes as much as svn does with buttons... |
| 23:55:02 | JdGordon| | that option is ifdef'ed so maybe its not relevant to the ondios anyway |
| 23:56:17 | pixelma | I see a change on an if(usb_power_button()) |
| 23:56:22 | pixelma | line |
| 23:56:56 | pixelma | of course it doesn't tell me much, just skimming the diff |
| 23:57:06 | JdGordon| | right, so the change there is press any button instead of a specific one |
| 23:57:12 | JdGordon| | but the setting might not be on ondio |
| 23:58:28 | pixelma | if it defaults to USB (data) connection without button press... |
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