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| 00:01:04 | pixelma | no, I just wanted to know how important it is that there is no setting on the Ondio then, so that nothing changes for the data connection |
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| 00:01:53 | JdGordon| | i dont know that there isnt the setting... |
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| 00:02:14 | JdGordon| | I'm more interested in an ok for the manual part of the diff.... |
| 00:02:25 | pixelma | that's how I understood you |
| 00:02:49 | JdGordon| | :) |
| 00:03:04 | * | pixelma is confused now |
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| 00:04:29 | JdGordon| | I'm wondering why there is a different between usb power and usb charging? |
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| 00:06:12 | XANA | Hey yall, i gots a question... I reecently erased all the data on my H10 20gb including the Origional firmware. How can I restore it so i can listen to some tunes+ |
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| 00:08:14 | evilnick | Can you restore the OF? |
| 00:08:21 | pixelma | JdGordon: I (mis?)understood that there might be a difference in whether the setting is present. That won't be a big deal if it defaults to data connection without holding a button but if the default is the other way round that could be a big change in how I get the data connection (and I wouldn't want that) |
| 00:08:44 | pixelma | so I just wanted to know what the default is |
| 00:08:51 | XANA | i have NO idea how to restore H10 20gb Firmware. |
| 00:09:40 | evilnick | It's probably better to ask at an iRiver forum/chatroom then |
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| 00:12:27 | XANA | How do i do that??? |
| 00:13:49 | Llorean | pixelma: The default should be such that anyone used to existing behaviour won't even notice that it's changed, because the existing button they use will still appear to work in the same way |
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| 00:14:09 | JdGordon| | pixelma: right, if the setting doesnt exsist then the default will be the same as svn (so it connects to msc) |
| 00:15:13 | pixelma | alright thought so, just wanted to make sure. I thought it is a bit more important if the setting doesn't even exist |
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| 00:15:37 | XANA | hey, i asked a question... |
| 00:15:39 | Llorean | Well, it seems like if the setting doesn't exist for Ondio, a reworded one that does the same thing should |
| 00:16:09 | Llorean | XANA: If you're looking for help with the original firmware, you should use Google to find out where you're supposed to ask questions about it |
| 00:16:40 | pixelma | probably. But that doesn't need to happen at the same time, I think |
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| 00:17:58 | XANA | So really... do you need any part of the origional FW to run rockbox |
| 00:18:32 | XANA | ? |
| 00:19:02 | Llorean | XANA: Rockbox's installation tools are set up to work on a functioning player. If you've damaged its existing functionality, it may fail to install. |
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| 00:20:19 | XANA | May fail? |
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| 00:20:59 | Llorean | The requirements for each player are somewhat different, I don't know for yours. You can read the manual, and see if the "manual installation" method requires the OF or whether it is optional. |
| 00:21:06 | Llorean | OF means "original firmware" |
| 00:22:01 | XANA | Well, I have an H10, I will Check right now........ |
| 00:22:01 | pixelma | JdGordon: the manual part doesn't look wrong at a first glance (syntax wise, and the use of opt). I think it sounds weird a bit here and there, especially the first sentence which would read in the finished manual "When this is OFF..." :) |
| 00:22:06 | JdGordon| | why is "fad on stop" still default to yes? :'( |
| 00:22:37 | JdGordon| | pixelma: yeah, that was Llorean's wording.. i thought the same but too lazy to rework it :) |
| 00:22:54 | Llorean | JdGordon|: Fade on stop is the very first option I disable on a new install. |
| 00:23:04 | * | Llorean really likes the idea of a "First Install Wizard" still |
| 00:23:12 | pixelma | maybe start with "If set to OFF.."? |
| 00:23:48 | * | pixelma also turns of "fade on stop" |
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| 00:23:52 | pixelma | off too |
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| 00:26:39 | XANA | Dam. Iriver stoped providing the OF restore files. any help there? |
| 00:27:21 | linuxstb | XANA: Maybe http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 00:28:34 | XANA | Ok then. Where do I put this file? |
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| 00:29:25 | linuxstb | BryanJacobs: Hi! |
| 00:29:51 | linuxstb | XANA: Sorry, I've no idea about the H10. |
| 00:30:28 | XANA | Anybody have a H10?!?!?! |
| 00:31:43 | Llorean | XANA: Since installing Rockbox is often about updating the original firmware with a modified version, again, the Rockbox manual's "manual install" section may help |
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| 00:35:19 | dfkt | would it be possible to enable pan/balance on the x5 line-out, like the stock firmware? |
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| 00:35:57 | dfkt | i'm quite imbalanced, hearing-wise, and in absolute need of pan/balance |
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| 00:38:12 | BryanJacobs | linuxstb: hello |
| 00:38:26 | Llorean | dfkt: There are balance settings in Rockbox, aren't there? |
| 00:38:43 | dfkt | only works for the headphone-out, not the line-out |
| 00:38:57 | Llorean | Ah |
| 00:39:14 | Llorean | You can't set balance on whatever it's line-into? |
| 00:39:30 | dfkt | nope, it's aprotable amp |
| 00:39:35 | dfkt | *a portable |
| 00:40:38 | dfkt | the stock firmware supports pan over line-out, so i assume it's been disabled on purpose on rockbox? |
| 00:41:04 | Llorean | Does "pan" mean something different than balance? |
| 00:41:10 | dfkt | same thing |
| 00:41:20 | Llorean | Please try to use the Rockbox name for settings then, just to not confuse issues. |
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| 00:42:15 | Llorean | Generally though, we try to keep the line-out untouched by any of the in-hardware DSP effects we can prevent, but it gets the software DSP effects |
| 00:43:41 | dfkt | well yeah, EQ works, but balance doesn't... quite curious |
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| 00:44:07 | scant | I'm using Rockbox 3.2 on a Sansa e260 and when connecting it via USB to a Windows XP computer, I get a driver 'Rockbox media player' dialog, but I can't find the driver on the website |
| 00:44:09 | Llorean | EQ is done in software, balance is probably done by the DAC |
| 00:44:30 | Llorean | scant: There's not one. To use USB with 3.2, you need to reboot into the original firmware |
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| 00:45:30 | dfkt | Llorean, so is there any chance to implement balance over the line-out? |
| 00:46:19 | pixelma | there is something interesting with the line-out on the X5 (or M5), it also has a fixed volume except when volume is set to mute. I'm not sure how it should be though |
| 00:46:37 | Llorean | dfkt: It may require implementing it in software, I don't know |
| 00:46:49 | dfkt | yeah, it's either on or off.. i think that's fine for a line level signal |
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| 00:47:02 | dfkt | or, "fake" line level |
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| 00:47:52 | pixelma | I think it's fine too but was a bit surprised first (maybe because it's my only target with seperate line-out) |
| 00:48:27 | dfkt | funny enough, the stock firmware does not send the EQ/BBE settings to the line-out, but only the balance |
| 00:48:43 | dfkt | opposite of rockbox |
| 00:48:46 | scant | Llorean: thanks |
| 00:49:36 | scant | I unplugged my Sansa e260 and plugged the USB cable back in, the screen faded, but now the screen is baclkight, but black and the Sansa won't turn off... |
| 00:50:32 | scant | nevermind, it turned off... |
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| 01:20:38 | saratoga | dfkt: we've got software balance in rockbox |
| 01:20:54 | saratoga | i don't know why it wouldn't work on Line Out, that should make no difference |
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| 01:24:26 | Llorean | saratoga: Is software balance used on the X5? |
| 01:24:43 | Llorean | AFAIK, any software DSP should apply universally because there's only the one PCM buffer? |
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| 01:25:17 | froggyman | does a mic work with the 5g video(for recording) through the 3.5mm jack? |
| 01:26:06 | pixelma | saratoga: the setting definitely has no effect on my M5 and line-out, just tried - it is in the headphone |
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| 01:27:58 | saratoga | datasheet says the line outs are wired to teh same output as the HPout except without the variable amp, so I guess its implemented by changing the volume on the channels |
| 01:29:07 | pixelma | well, if the volume setting has no effect (except mute) that sounds like balance wouldn't work either |
| 01:29:36 | saratoga | theres a software balance as well [see channels_process_sound_chan_custom] |
| 01:29:37 | * | froggyman wonders if anyone will respond to mt question... |
| 01:29:41 | pixelma | if it's not set in another way |
| 01:30:16 | saratoga | what happens if you set the stereo width to custom? |
| 01:31:11 | saratoga | hmm thats not the same |
| 01:32:45 | pixelma | changing stereo width itself has an audible effect |
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| 01:33:57 | joejc | im trying to install rockbox to my ipod but i keep getting errors |
| 01:35:02 | Llorean | joejc: What error? |
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| 01:35:31 | joejc | its telling me my ipod that i just formated for windows is a macpod |
| 01:35:55 | Llorean | Did you follow the instructions in our wiki, or did you just reformat the partition? |
| 01:36:16 | Llorean | There's more to the conversion than just the data partition format |
| 01:36:19 | joejc | used my win box to restore |
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| 01:37:10 | joejc | tunes says its formatted for windows |
| 01:37:15 | joejc | itunes* |
| 01:38:29 | froggyman | joejc: what ipod do you have? |
| 01:38:45 | joejc | 20gb 4g |
| 01:40:26 | joejc | any ideas? |
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| 01:43:53 | joejc | could i do it manually or does the installer do the same thing? |
| 01:44:28 | froggyman | yeah, but you need to install a bootloader |
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| 01:48:33 | saratoga | for what its worth, balance is definately set in firmware/ via adjusting the headphone volume, which is why it doesn't work for the X5 lineout, and I don't see any obvious way to change it without adding to dsp.c |
| 01:48:43 | saratoga | but a dsp guru could say more then I |
| 01:48:46 | dfkt | saratoga, well, it simply doesn't work on my x5, running a week old build... but i would be very glad if it did |
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| 01:50:37 | dfkt | oh, nevermind, just saw the nickalert, not the last line you posted |
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| 01:58:59 | pixelma | joejc: last time I looked, the manual also explained the installation with ipodpatcher (the "manual" way). |
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| 02:04:38 | pixelma | saratoga: the Iaudio ports still have some incomplete things although basic functionality is well covered, charging is another such thing |
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| 02:15:20 | pixelma | joejc: the Utility uses ipodpatcher internally but you could always try in case it is some bug in the Rockbox Utility |
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| 02:46:19 | Unhelpful | evilnick: to clarify, it is faster than using the scaler, but it is still slower than not having to scale at all. the huffman bitstream still needs to be fully decoded, with lots of bit-shifting and table lookup operations, and only the IDCT part of the decode actually gets significant gain. there's a pretty big gain going from 1x to 1/2, a smaller one going to 1/4, and even smaller going to 1/8. and it's always faster to decode a file |
| 02:46:19 | Unhelpful | that is *actually* half as small. where bigger might be better is if you always use the same size AA, and you pre-scale to a 2^N (N < 3) multiple of that size. |
| 02:47:26 | Unhelpful | loading a 480x480 file as 240x240 is probably (i've not tested this specific case, but the scaler is pretty expensive) faster than loading, say, a 360x360 file as 240x240. |
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| 02:57:42 | evilnick | Unhelpful: Thanks for the info :) |
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| 03:39:14 | Firenight | hey everyone |
| 03:41:33 | Firenight | I put rockbox on on my ipod and for some reason there are 4 copys of every song on my ipod in the database |
| 03:41:37 | Firenight | any way to fix that |
| 03:44:35 | Firenight | or a way to reset my database so that when it searches for music it only finds 1 copy of the songs I put on there |
| 03:45:20 | Froggyman_ | remove all music from itunes ans switch to a real media manager like media monkey? |
| 03:45:32 | Froggyman_ | and |
| 03:45:47 | Firenight | hmm |
| 03:46:01 | Firenight | i would if I did not have over 40 gigs of music over two computers |
| 03:46:51 | Firenight | is there another way Or no |
| 03:46:55 | evilnick | There |
| 03:47:23 | evilnick | 's a setting in the Database Settings called Initialize Database (or similar) that you could try |
| 03:49:55 | Firenight | it says updating in background |
| 03:50:44 | evilnick | Yes, it forces a refresh of all the files on your ipod, so it should eliminate the duplicates. |
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| 03:51:36 | Firenight | how long does it take |
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| 03:52:52 | evilnick | It depends how much music you have on there, I think the longest it's taken me (120GB) was about 4 or 5 minutes? (I haven't used the database in a long time on that player) |
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| 04:01:31 | Firenight | thank you |
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| 04:29:39 | Unhelpful | evilnick: you could *try* making the jpeg decoder yield a bit more, by moving the yield(); to the line right before '} /* for blkn */' in apps/recorder/jpeg_load.c |
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| 04:36:57 | serendipity_ | help |
| 04:38:08 | serendipity_ | I'm trying to install on a 5.5G iPod 30GB... |
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| 04:38:39 | serendipity_ | and when I get to the part where I am supposed to use the iPod patcher, it returns the following errors: |
| 04:38:40 | serendipity_ | [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting. |
| 04:38:40 | serendipity_ | [ERR] FATAL: Permission denied on 1 device(s) and no ipod detected. |
| 04:38:41 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK serendipity_ |
| 04:38:41 | serendipity_ | [ERR] You need permissions for raw disc access for this program to work! |
| 04:38:51 | serendipity_ | this is being done on a mac, btw |
| 04:39:33 | Unhelpful | it sounds like you may be running the program with insufficient permissions. i'm not sure how to resolve that under macosx, though. |
| 04:40:48 | serendipity_ | i don't thing that's it, as I tried running with Super User enabled via the Directory Utility |
| 04:41:46 | serendipity_ | Are there any other mac users here who know what could be up, or if there's another way I'm supposed to increast my permissions? |
| 04:42:15 | scant | I'm new to the stock Sansa e260 and Rockbox firmware, can I delete everything off of the internal memory except for .rockbox directory? |
| 04:43:07 | Unhelpful | serendipity_: "Permission denied" is pretty clear. |
| 04:43:25 | Unhelpful | scant: i can't really see any reason to do so... |
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| 04:48:24 | scant | My Sansa e260 has a MUSIC directory and I keep on clearing the hidden attribute, but the hidden attribute of the folder keeps on getting set |
| 04:49:39 | Unhelpful | scant: the OF does that on startup. since rockbox supports USB on this device now, one solution would be not starting the OF :) |
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| 04:51:02 | scant | Unhelpful: ? |
| 04:51:20 | scant | Unhelpful: how do I transfer files to the internal memory w/o starting up the OF? |
| 04:51:41 | cool_walking_ | Rockbox has it's own USB stack now in the "current build" versions. |
| 04:51:56 | scant | cool_walking_: not in 3.2 though? |
| 04:52:01 | cool_walking_ | no |
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| 04:57:01 | serendipity_ | oh i see what I did wrong, I had deleted everything from the ipod before trying to install stuff. This time, I did a software restore through iTunes, and left everything it installs right on there. I applied the fat32 pertition map, and installed the .rockbox and bootloader no problem! |
| 04:57:13 | serendipity_ | [INFO] Bootloader installed successfully. |
| 04:57:13 | serendipity_ | Press ENTER to exit ipodpatcher : |
| 04:57:22 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 04:57:22 | * | serendipity_ is one happy camper |
| 04:58:08 | martian67 | serendipity_, rockbox is much better than default firmware, minus video playback |
| 04:58:17 | martian67 | you should be getting battery life |
| 04:58:23 | martian67 | it is going to improve more aswell |
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| 05:01:47 | _Auron_ | ugh the G1 needs better video playback.. .3gp and .mp4 are quite limiting. |
| 05:04:40 | scant | cool_walking_: i installed the 'current build' Sansa e260 firmware, is USB support activated by default? |
| 05:05:36 | cool_walking_ | Yes. But unless you also install a new bootloader, it will still go into the OF for USB if you turn it on by connecting the USB plug. |
| 05:06:59 | scant | cool_walking_: do I install the new bootloader via sansapatcher? where do I d/l the new bootloader? |
| 05:07:48 | cool_walking_ | Yes, use sansapatcher with the bootloader from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9955 |
| 05:08:55 | cool_walking_ | That page mentions anticipation of release with 3.2, however they were not released with 3.2 for reason/s I'm not aware of. |
| 05:09:14 | scant | Oh, so that bootloader isn't installed by default with a Rockbox utility install of v3.2? |
| 05:09:23 | cool_walking_ | correct |
| 05:10:05 | scant | cool_walking_: yikes, I'm kind of hessitant to update the bootloader, i don't want to brick ;-) |
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| 05:11:59 | scant | cool_walking_: is this correct? sansapatcher.exe −−update-ppbl PP5022.mi4 |
| 05:12:03 | Traveler3 | is there a write or append function to add a line to the end of a file? |
| 05:12:29 | Unhelpful | scant: sansapatcher -a PP5022.mi4 just did the trick for me |
| 05:12:45 | scant | Unhelpful: cool, thanks |
| 05:13:10 | scant | do I run that command with the USB cable attached and in Rockbox or OF? |
| 05:13:53 | cool_walking_ | I'm a bit foggy on that point, but I don't think it matters if you're in the OF or Rockbox. |
| 05:14:22 | Unhelpful | in rockbox will work if you're using a usb-enabled build. in OF should work if you have OF set to UMS rather than MTP mode |
| 05:14:50 | scant | I'll use OF to be safe... |
| 05:14:54 | scant | thanks for the info |
| 05:15:34 | scant | is there a way to see what version of the bootloader I'm using? |
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| 05:17:58 | scant | the reason I ask is because, I installed Rockbox 3.2 for the 1st time today via Rockbox Utility, then just upgraded to the 'current build' and I connected the USB, and the drives came up w/o updating the bootloader to the version you guys pointed me to... so I'm wondering what version I"m using... |
| 05:19:13 | cool_walking_ | Rockbox's USB works without the new bootloader. You only need the new bootloader so it will go into Rockbox instead of the OF when you connect the USB cable when it's turned off. |
| 05:19:40 | cool_walking_ | I don't know how to check the bootloader version. |
| 05:20:18 | scant | cool_walking_: thanks a bunch for the clarification, i'm wondering if I should update the bootloader... it's still kind of scary... |
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| 05:20:50 | Unhelpful | evilnick: file that flyspray bug report when you get a chance. i can't manage to reproduce the problem on my slowest target (e200). :/ |
| 05:22:49 | cool_walking_ | scant: Well if you don't want to risk it, don't. Personally, I would, but then I'm a bit stupid. |
| 05:22:58 | scant | cool_walking_: cool |
| 05:23:32 | scant | cool_walking_: what I'm wondering, is... thanks for pointing out the location of the new bootloader, but how do I know when the bootloader is updated??? |
| 05:24:11 | cool_walking_ | I expect it will be noted on the front page when it gets a proper release. |
| 05:24:11 | Unhelpful | scant: turn it off and plug in USB - if it goes to rockbox, you've got the new bootloader. |
| 05:24:31 | cool_walking_ | oh ahh err.. or that. |
| 05:24:59 | Unhelpful | well, we answered two different interpretations of the same question ;) |
| 05:25:38 | scant | I have the old bootloader... |
| 05:29:30 | scant | I updated the bootloader because I don't like the OF and I like Rockbox |
| 05:29:55 | scant | thanks for being helpful |
| 05:34:54 | Traveler3 | is there a way to read a previous line for read_line? like could you save a value for fd and restore it if you need to go back a line? |
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| 05:59:45 | scant | anyone know the max microSDHC size a Sansa e260 with Rockbox supports? |
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| 06:00:17 | scorche | theoretically the max they can produce |
| 06:00:20 | scorche | within the spec |
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| 06:01:37 | scant | scorche: do you use a Sansa e260 and microSDHC card? |
| 06:01:53 | scorche | yes, but i dont see why that is important.. |
| 06:02:24 | scant | I'm wondering what size your card is... |
| 06:02:36 | scorche | why? |
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| 06:06:01 | * | _Auron_ has a e260v2 and had his 8GB microSDHC before he got his G1, which he uses for everything now. :P |
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| 08:20:14 | andreah | there is a thing |
| 08:20:28 | andreah | rockbox utility needs a letter for my sansa c240 |
| 08:20:44 | andreah | i am using win7 and it doesnt assign any letter to the player |
| 08:21:16 | advcomp2019 | andreah, that is mtp mode.. you need msc mode it sounds like |
| 08:21:29 | andreah | manual you mean? |
| 08:21:48 | andreah | either way i can go try with my laptop, xp and fbsd there |
| 08:22:23 | andreah | ye lemme try with that hold on |
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| 08:23:17 | advcomp2019 | mtp and msc modes are usb mode.. on the c200 firmware was a few versions without usb modes in the menu |
| 08:25:15 | andreah | MTP device found |
| 08:25:17 | andreah | on xp |
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| 08:25:38 | advcomp2019 | you need msc mode |
| 08:25:58 | andreah | why? |
| 08:26:10 | andreah | ohh...to flash u mean |
| 08:26:13 | andreah | ok hold on |
| 08:27:47 | advcomp2019 | because mtp mode is limited and buggy at times but that is just my opinion |
| 08:29:01 | andreah | i cant flash it if its on mtp right? |
| 08:29:45 | advcomp2019 | yep because the rockbox utility does not work with it in mtp mode |
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| 08:33:35 | andreah | ok its msc now |
| 08:34:34 | andreah | TTS says invalid |
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| 08:35:45 | andreah | ye lets see |
| 08:36:00 | andreah | was a $7 player, my wife needs it only for tomorrow |
| 08:36:45 | advcomp2019 | did you run the rockbox utility as admin? |
| 08:36:49 | andreah | ye |
| 08:37:11 | andreah | i have the pdf |
| 08:37:16 | andreah | thanks tho |
| 08:37:35 | andreah | oh shit |
| 08:37:37 | advcomp2019 | what happened if you manually select the drive tho? |
| 08:37:38 | andreah | whats the best theme |
| 08:37:49 | Bagder | thet one you like most |
| 08:37:54 | advcomp2019 | the themes are up to you |
| 08:38:01 | andreah | i cant tell from a 1'' pic |
| 08:38:13 | andreah | i have to try everyone |
| 08:38:16 | andreah | k lets see |
| 08:38:40 | andreah | poll |
| 08:38:46 | andreah | SansaClassic or SansaPod |
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| 08:39:06 | GodEater | is it "use the enter key as a comma" day today ? |
| 08:40:47 | advcomp2019 | plus can you use full english words too? |
| 08:40:56 | andreah | nice its done |
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| 08:45:09 | andreah | ahah |
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| 08:45:17 | andreah | this is one of the best thing ive seen in long time |
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| 09:01:16 | pondlife | Who's MrAdmin for themes.rockbox.org? |
| 09:01:30 | * | scorche waves |
| 09:01:32 | GodEater | a variety of people I think |
| 09:01:53 | pondlife | scorche: You aware of the broken graphic on http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=h300 ? |
| 09:02:03 | pondlife | "Smarty error..." |
| 09:02:46 | scorche | i am now |
| 09:03:04 | pondlife | Cool - probably needs removing/reuploading.. |
| 09:03:38 | andreah | the default one is my fav |
| 09:03:58 | scorche | i wonder how that happened |
| 09:04:22 | pondlife | I thought it used to be displaysd, but I might be wrong |
| 09:06:26 | scorche | rasher: you around? |
| 09:07:33 | pixelma | anything to do with the fact that there is a "mipper" for H100 as well? |
| 09:08:33 | scorche | i dont know yet...i do see the image in the admin panel and the image isnt where it should be....there is an existing "mipper" in 160x128 which i assume is H100? |
| 09:09:04 | pixelma | must be related a bit, I think because the theme doesn't show up on the Ipod Photo/Color pages which has the same display size as the H300 |
| 09:10:08 | pixelma | the mipper 160x128 seems to work in all colour depths, even monochrome - so M:Robe100, H100, X5 and some more |
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| 09:15:20 | pixelma | H100 and H300 have a connection through a possible rwps and the theme has one |
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| 09:19:46 | scorche | indeed...i think this is something in how the theme site handles such things, but i imagine we can wait for rasher to fill in some info |
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| 09:32:23 | evilwombat | Hi guys |
| 09:32:39 | evilwombat | I graduated from UMD a year ago and my web space is about to disappear |
| 09:32:58 | evilwombat | Would someone mind re-hosting the MIDI plugin soundset on rockbox.org ? |
| 09:34:00 | Bagder | where is it now? |
| 09:34:19 | evilwombat | It was linked on the wiki page |
| 09:34:40 | evilwombat | Either the univ. site is down, or they finally realized I graduated, because my homedir is currently inaccessible |
| 09:34:49 | evilwombat | I did not expect this to happen until September |
| 09:36:13 | evilwombat | I would love to know where the latest version is... it's been a while |
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| 09:36:45 | evilwombat | at the very least, I should have a good copy in my Simulator dir |
| 09:40:51 | evilwombat | Yup. I've got a good copy of the file here, in case the univ. space is gone for good |
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| 09:41:35 | evilwombat | I am hoping it will be back (not unreasonable for them to be doing maintenance this time of night) but it is good to bring this up now |
| 09:44:19 | Bagder | evilwombat: anyway, we'll gladly host them |
| 09:44:36 | evilwombat | Bagder, awesome! |
| 09:45:00 | evilwombat | I can try back tomorrow with a link, and if no luck, I can upload it someplace for the time being |
| 09:45:11 | * | pondlife wonders if greyscale targets should have colour screenshots on the themes site... |
| 09:45:19 | evilwombat | I would have to do that tomorrow, because my home connection is extremely slow on upload |
| 09:46:03 | Unhelpful | pondlife: it's all to do with showing a theme for every target that it passes checkwps on. there's only a screenshot for *one* target, the one the user uploaded :/ |
| 09:46:53 | pondlife | I was thinking that a greyscale conversion could take place automatically, just so you'd get a realistic idea of how it would look. |
| 09:47:05 | pondlife | But I don't have a greyscale target, so am not too worried... |
| 09:48:16 | Unhelpful | for closest match, it should be converted to 4-level greyscale, with a 16x16 bayer ordered dither matrix. |
| 09:49:03 | pixelma | depending on which elements use colour that could look quite different though... |
| 09:49:29 | pixelma | hmm, not thought through |
| 09:51:14 | Unhelpful | yes, it will never be perfect if we're converting a screenshot. mono bitmaps are not dithered, but they're drawn solid in the foreground color, and would end up being dithered. dithering in rockbox is aligned to origin of the bitmap, where converting a screenshot would use a single dither matrix aligned to the origin of the screen... |
| 09:52:07 | pixelma | the best would be if the theme sight could make own screenshots for every target, even different 160x128 greyscale target screenshots look different now (because the chosen colours can be different to look closer to the original, compare e.g. an H100 and M5 sim) |
| 09:52:25 | pixelma | urrr... s/sight/site |
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| 09:55:15 | pixelma | or other differences like showing RTC info (would be replaced by −−:−− on a stock H100) |
| 09:56:38 | * | pixelma wishes there was a "is RTC present" tag |
| 09:56:42 | Unhelpful | that too. a converted screenshot would be a rough sketch at best |
| 09:56:59 | Unhelpful | and if it's a greyscale WPS that's color-compatible? |
| 09:57:38 | cool_walking_ | How about conversion via loading it in the sim? |
| 09:58:00 | pixelma | it should be grey too but without the tones that's used now to represent backlight "colour" |
| 09:59:19 | pixelma | or if checkwps could do screenshots? Reminds me a bit of the WPS editor... |
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| 10:04:30 | pondlife | I was wondering if checkwps (or the sim) could be used to convert. |
| 10:05:31 | cool_walking_ | or rather render, not convert. People don't even need to upload a screenshot then. |
| 10:05:56 | evilwombat | Bagder, Oh hey, it's back! The file in question is, http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~stevenm/patchset.tbz2 |
| 10:05:59 | pixelma | the problem might be that you need to provide some metadata or so |
| 10:06:17 | AlexP | cool_walking_: The only slight problem with that is me... what pixelma said :) |
| 10:06:26 | Unhelpful | album art could be trouble, also... |
| 10:07:05 | cool_walking_ | I can understand theme authors wanting to put their favourite albums in their screenshots. |
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| 10:10:02 | pixelma | maybe the theme site could give a hint: "your theme also works with target Y, please provide a screenshot"? Not sure that's asked too much from theme authors... I would do that then though |
| 10:11:11 | AlexP | maybe then point at rasher's prebuilt sims |
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| 10:14:29 | linuxstb | pondlife: I don't think it would be that hard to extend checkwps to create screenshots, and it would seem very useful. I'm not sure if anyone wants to do it though... |
| 10:14:47 | * | pondlife calls Mr Someone |
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| 13:14:22 | loadrom | Archos V1; can I flash my V1 player with a current build or is the latest release flashable in a V1 player ? |
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| 13:15:21 | loadrom | I'm just want to flash my player with the "most recent build" |
| 13:16:42 | pixelma | should be possible to install a recent build - not sure exactly what you mean with "flash" |
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| 13:21:47 | pixelma | as there are different ways to flash it (rombox.ucl (which isn't possible anymore for quite some time), rockbox.ucl, and some people also mean just installing a new build) |
| 13:22:51 | loadrom | well, I don't see the the rombox.ucl file, so I just want to flash with a current build, can I do so with rockbox.ucl ? |
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| 13:24:33 | pixelma | as far as I know, yes |
| 13:25:30 | loadrom | I'm following the instructions here, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BootBox, (update procedure), and it says if I dont see a rombox.ucl file I must go to here, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RomBox |
| 13:25:51 | loadrom | and then you'vew lost me as I have no idea to make a build etc... |
| 13:26:41 | pixelma | when did you last update? And have you used one of the ucl files before? |
| 13:26:54 | pixelma | I mean when updating last time |
| 13:27:24 | loadrom | a few years ago was the last time I flashed the player |
| 13:31:19 | loadrom | I really don't understand the sequence of events laid out for or without rombox.ucl, why I should or souldnt have a rombox file, I fiddle and try and sort it out myself |
| 13:31:21 | loadrom | thanks |
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| 13:31:34 | pixelma | hmm... I'm a bit careful with advice then.. is there something he needs to take care of amiconn? |
| 13:31:42 | pixelma | grrr... |
| 13:32:07 | pixelma | just wanted to tell that he can probably ignore these as a start |
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| 13:55:07 | pixelma | I wonder if one (both?) pages he was referring to could be taken down as there is outdated info (AFAIK) and the current flashing procedure is described in the manual. The only thing that will be missing is how to get the rombox.ucl (by disabling database or more) |
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| 13:58:45 | pixelma | hmm, even the zips attached to BootBox seem to still be there. The current one are available on the download pages |
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| 14:01:20 | pixelma | shall I add at least a big red warning at the start of the page, anything speaking against? |
| 14:09:44 | MarcGuay | If something is not longer applicable I'm in favour of removing it completely. The wiki history will keep it if it's needed. |
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| 14:14:41 | pixelma | I'm not sure how to deal with the info on the RomBox page, it's partially outdated but the "build your own" is still valid |
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| 16:19:23 | webguest17 | how to restart rockbox ipod nano |
| 16:20:05 | webguest17 | how to off the ipod with rockbox ? |
| 16:21:58 | webguest17 | help ? |
| 16:22:24 | evilnick_7 | Do you want to reset it? Or simply turn it off using rockbox |
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| 16:22:27 | Bagder | isn't that covered in the manual? |
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| 16:22:59 | n1s | Bagder: it is |
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| 16:23:56 | webguest60 | how do i turn it off |
| 16:24:14 | n1s | a long press of play will turn it of, this is in the manual |
| 16:24:20 | evilnick_7 | webguest60: Check the manual. |
| 16:24:22 | n1s | s/of/off/ |
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| 16:24:34 | webguest60 | ok then how do i turn it on again |
| 16:24:43 | webguest60 | i did that nd now its not worikin |
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| 16:25:04 | webguest60 | workin * |
| 16:25:05 | n1s | you look in the manual |
| 16:25:16 | webguest60 | wheres the manual |
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| 16:25:36 | Bagder | now, where could it be... |
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| 16:27:03 | daytona955 | Hi, flyspray help please. Can I delete an extra comment added in error (browser back button & resend screwup...) |
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| 16:27:47 | webguest60 | omgggggggggg |
| 16:27:58 | webguest60 | myy freakin ipod is gonna breakkkkkkkkkk |
| 16:28:10 | hideicons | Archos V1, I want to hide the icons, where do I find the setting, I've looked under Settings (+ submenus) AND System (+submenus) can't see a menu that says "Hide Icons" |
| 16:28:16 | gevaerts | daytona955: which FS number? |
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| 16:28:33 | daytona955 | 10191 |
| 16:29:11 | gevaerts | ok. I removed the last one |
| 16:29:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest60: Oi, relax! Calm down! Deep breath! |
| 16:29:21 | daytona955 | thanks! |
| 16:30:19 | webguest60 | 'how do i get this shit off my ipoddddddddd |
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| 16:30:30 | n1s | webguest60: red |
| 16:30:36 | n1s | read the fine manual |
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| 16:31:09 | hideicons | I've looked under Settings > General settings, "FIle view", Display, System, no find "Hide Icons" option |
| 16:31:41 | pixelma | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-recorder/rockbox-buildch9.html#x12-1370009 assuming you're using a current build now |
| 16:32:16 | webguest60 | how do i unstall ?? |
| 16:32:31 | hideicons | ah found it, "Hide Icons" is under themes, surely it's a setting ? |
| 16:32:31 | webguest60 | uninstall ?? |
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| 16:33:08 | evilnick_7 | webguest60: This information is in the manual which a lot of people spent a lot of their free time writing. |
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| 16:35:43 | simjoko | his obviously immune to anything useful you tell him |
| 16:35:48 | simjoko | he's -.- |
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| 16:50:16 | dfkt | just want to share a x5 cf-mod success story, thanks to rockbox in general, and your cf wiki site: http://anythingbutipod.com/images/forum/dfkt/cowon_x5/cf_mod/ |
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| 16:55:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | dfkt: Isn't that the DealXtreme adapter? |
| 16:55:57 | dfkt | yes, it is |
| 16:56:00 | dfkt | the cheapest |
| 16:59:39 | webguest94 | how to go to orignal firmware on ipod |
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| 17:01:06 | GodEater | webguest94: that's covered in the fine manual |
| 17:01:09 | webguest94 | ?? |
| 17:01:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3 |
| 17:01:47 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: sucker ;) |
| 17:02:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: :P |
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| 17:05:05 | simjoko | do you often have such problems with webguests? |
| 17:05:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | On occasion, yes. |
| 17:05:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | But we have problems with other users as well. |
| 17:06:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I digress. |
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| 17:09:54 | GodEater | we have problems in that we *have* users ;) |
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| 17:10:04 | GodEater | life would be simpler if we didn't |
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| 17:12:26 | simjoko | hehe |
| 17:13:15 | simjoko | btw I did the fun and compiled rockbox using gcc 4.4.0. worked quite well apart from mp3_enc which grew too big |
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| 17:16:03 | simjoko | (ipod 4th gen target) |
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| 17:19:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | simjoko: Color or greyscale? |
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| 17:28:22 | juane414 | anyone here knowledgeable with making a wps? |
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| 17:30:06 | juane414 | i'm making a wps and i'm trying to have a .bmp image and a text, such as volume in decibels, in the same location on the screen |
| 17:30:16 | juane414 | but i want the text to overlap the image... is that possible? |
| 17:32:09 | evilnick_230 | Can't you set the background of one viewport to be the image, and then the text would naturally be overlaid on top? |
| 17:33:14 | juane414 | well i want the image to change during playback |
| 17:33:16 | AlexP | I don't think you can set background images for viewports |
| 17:33:19 | AlexP | just colours |
| 17:33:30 | juane414 | its not a background actually |
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| 17:34:27 | juane414 | basically i want the runtime progress to be displayed in a ring rather than a progress bar, and i want the run time in minutes and seconds to be displayed in the center of the ring |
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| 17:38:12 | juane414 | any ideas? |
| 17:38:48 | juane414 | i guess what i'm asking is does a .bmp always overlay text? Or is it the other way around? |
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| 17:44:08 | juane414 | i'll ask again... when making a WPS, does a .bmp override text or does text override a .bmp? |
| 17:44:51 | _fml | Hello. What is the symbol "HAVE_RADIO_REGION" used for? In the settings_list.h, the setting fm_region is protected by just "CONFIG_TUNER". Shouldn't it be cleaned up? If yes, I might try to do it. |
| 17:45:00 | evilnick_230 | juane414: IF anyone here knows then they'll answer, there's nothing to be gained from asking again. |
| 17:45:30 | evilnick_230 | A lot of devs will check what's been said since they were last here, so hang around if you need an answer as soon as possible |
| 17:45:41 | juane414 | well... three people joined after the first time i asked |
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| 17:45:48 | juane414 | i haven't really used irc much |
| 17:45:49 | _fml | juane414: why don't you just try? And tell us about the result? |
| 17:46:00 | juane414 | don't really know how it works |
| 17:46:05 | juane414 | don't mean to sound pushy |
| 17:46:10 | juane414 | thanks for the help though |
| 17:46:31 | simjoko | just stick around for some time. people usually have a look when they got time. |
| 17:47:01 | juane414 | alright i'll hang around for a bit |
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| 17:50:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | kkurbjun: Ping; anything new with FS #7505? |
| 17:50:48 | rasher | juane414: I'm pretty sure text will be drawn on top of a bitmap. You could always try it out, of course |
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| 17:52:21 | _fml | Another question about HAVE_RADIO_REGION: why is it defined in config-<player>.h and not in the appropriate driver's header (e.g. tea5767.h)? |
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| 17:54:41 | juane414 | arg... irc... i'm such a noob |
| 17:55:14 | AlexP | juane414: If you want it drawn inside the circle, you could colour the inside of the circle transparent |
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| 17:55:57 | juane414 | i was thinking that but can rockbox recognize bmp files with transparency? |
| 17:56:06 | AlexP | juane414: Yes, the wiki covers this |
| 17:56:18 | juane414 | shoot, i didn't see that |
| 17:56:22 | AlexP | Colour 255,0,255 is treated as transarent |
| 17:56:25 | AlexP | *transparent |
| 17:56:43 | juane414 | ahhhhhh... nice |
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| 17:56:54 | juane414 | i'll give that a shot |
| 17:57:00 | AlexP | juane414: So the bitmap doesn't have transparency, but a specific colour is treated as transparent |
| 17:57:24 | juane414 | okay that makes sense |
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| 17:57:55 | juane414 | i've never tried doing this sort of thing before, but i do a lot of photo editing so i figured i'd give it a try |
| 17:58:08 | juane414 | i must have misunderstood that part in the wiki |
| 17:58:50 | AlexP | juane414: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Images |
| 17:58:56 | AlexP | juane414: third point under notes |
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| 17:59:27 | juane414 | alright thanks Alex |
| 17:59:33 | AlexP | no problem |
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| 17:59:52 | juane414 | IRC noob question... why does it beep when you message me? what command does that?> |
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| 18:00:13 | AlexP | It is becuase I used your nick |
| 18:01:05 | AlexP | juane414: If you want someone to notice you speaking to them, you should use their full nick (e.g. AlexP not Alex) as then normally their client highlights them. Hint - try typing the start of a name then pressing tab |
| 18:01:46 | juane414 | AlexP: like that? |
| 18:01:51 | AlexP | yup |
| 18:01:55 | juane414 | great |
| 18:01:58 | Blue_Dude | Grr, what am I missing here? I created a couple of files in the /apps directory to hold my project code. I included the .h file in the .c files that call my code. But after running configure, the compiler ignores my new files and the linker doesn't see them. How do I make sure my files are in the makefile whe running configure? |
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| 18:02:40 | gevaerts | Blue_Dude: SOURCES? |
| 18:02:52 | Blue_Dude | "sources"? |
| 18:03:18 | gevaerts | as in the file named SOURCES |
| 18:03:42 | Blue_Dude | ok, let me check. Didn't know about that. |
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| 18:06:51 | Blue_Dude | I'm not finding a sources file. I did add them in svn... |
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| 18:07:08 | * | kugel didn't know rockblox saves high scores! :/ |
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| 18:08:31 | gevaerts | you didn't look properly then |
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| 18:09:13 | saratoga | simjoko: any benchmarks for gcc 4.4? |
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| 18:09:39 | simjoko | you mean a battery stresstest? |
| 18:10:10 | kugel | gevaerts: it doesn't show them on a series of targets |
| 18:10:36 | gevaerts | kugel: ? |
| 18:10:41 | MarcGuay | Blue_Dude: Are you writing a plugin? |
| 18:10:46 | Blue_Dude | I found several files named SOURCES.svn-base. Should I be fooling with those? |
| 18:11:01 | Blue_Dude | No, regular core code. |
| 18:11:07 | gevaerts | kugel: ah, I see it now. I was talking to Blue_Dude |
| 18:11:12 | kugel | ah, ok |
| 18:11:29 | gevaerts | Blue_Dude: there are files named SOURCES (not sources!) all over the tree... |
| 18:12:16 | Blue_Dude | Found it. How did I miss that? brb |
| 18:13:51 | simjoko | saratoga: not yet. I wasn't sure if it's of interest at all to actually bother |
| 18:13:56 | * | kugel demands .xcf or .psd files in SVN |
| 18:16:14 | saratoga | simjoko: test_codec would be faster |
| 18:17:56 | simjoko | I'll give it a shot |
| 18:18:13 | saratoga | i doubt you'd see a difference on a battery bench anyway unless it was huge |
| 18:18:27 | simjoko | sadly, my touch wheel is broken, still waiting for a replacement -.- |
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| 18:19:47 | simjoko | here, brute force helped |
| 18:19:59 | juane414 | AlexP: sorry to bug you again but do you know of a way to get an image to blink on and off? |
| 18:20:35 | AlexP | juane414: You can use conditional images and alternating sublines |
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| 18:21:20 | juane414 | AlexP: could you expand on that just a bit? |
| 18:21:44 | pixelma | as far as I know bitmaps will be drawn on top of text (with the exception of a backdrop) |
| 18:21:45 | simjoko | saratoga: isn't test_codec not included in the regular svn builds? |
| 18:21:47 | AlexP | juane414: Images can be conditional - you preload them and then display depending on certain criteria |
| 18:22:04 | AlexP | juane414: Alternating sublines display one thing then another with set timeouts |
| 18:22:42 | juane414 | AlexP: okay i see so i can use ";%t3%xd..." |
| 18:22:50 | AlexP | juane414: So combining the two means you can display one image for a certain amount of time, then another (or nothing) for another amount of time, then a third if you want etc. |
| 18:23:28 | AlexP | juane414: Should be able to, yes |
| 18:24:38 | Blue_Dude | Editing SOURCES seems to have worked. Thanks, guys. |
| 18:25:43 | MarcGuay | simjoko: It's not. |
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| 18:38:27 | CIA-38 | New commit by alle (r20926): Remove the HAVE_RADIO_REGION from the platform config since it's already defined in the tuner driver's header |
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| 18:42:25 | funman | pyro_maniac: kugel : I just got a YH-920, can you enlight me a bit on the process to put rockbox on it ? |
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| 18:42:30 | aik-rash | re all |
| 18:42:41 | funman | I also wonder if/how the device is recoverable in case of problems (I never had a mi4 target) |
| 18:42:47 | aik-rash | how i can use album cover in rockbox? |
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| 18:43:08 | funman | aik-rash: did you look at the manual? |
| 18:43:10 | kugel | funman: easy. Apply http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10189 and build :P |
| 18:43:21 | kugel | not that easy actually. the 920 seems special |
| 18:43:29 | funman | kugel: sure, but what do I do with the built files? |
| 18:43:56 | funman | aik-rash: also look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 18:44:00 | simjoko | so, I added test_codec.c to SOURCES but it won't show in open with... menu entry |
| 18:44:04 | kugel | rename FW_YH920.mi4 (or something) in the systems folder to OF.bin |
| 18:44:10 | kugel | and put the bootloader in place of that |
| 18:44:19 | kugel | and extract rockbox.zip normally |
| 18:44:22 | aik-rash | funman, tnx |
| 18:44:49 | pyro_maniac | funman: just unpack rockbox.zip and replace the pp5020.mi4 with the rockbox.mi4 |
| 18:45:08 | kugel | huh |
| 18:45:20 | kugel | pyro_maniac: that's not how it's meant to work |
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| 18:45:36 | pyro_maniac | the bootloader isn't working yet |
| 18:46:00 | kugel | I mean, it will work, but rockbox.mi4 is obviously not the bootloader |
| 18:46:07 | kugel | thus, no dual boot |
| 18:46:13 | aik-rash | There it is written that amarok is able to do covers of album О_о |
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| 18:46:31 | pyro_maniac | i am confused |
| 18:46:54 | kugel | just rename the .mi4 in the system folder to OF.mi4, and put the bootloader in the system folder with the name that the OF had before |
| 18:47:12 | pyro_maniac | i had to rename the rockbox.mi4 to pp5020.mi4 and copy that into the system folder |
| 18:47:27 | kugel | rockbox.mi4 isn't the bootloader |
| 18:47:32 | kugel | that's rockbox |
| 18:47:36 | pyro_maniac | i know |
| 18:47:47 | kugel | You're supposed to put the bootloader into /SYSTEM |
| 18:47:50 | pyro_maniac | and as i said before, the bootloader isn't working yet |
| 18:48:14 | kugel | well, I can't tell from here. I just that that's not how it's supposed to work |
| 18:48:21 | pyro_maniac | mentioned on the tracker and in the wiki too |
| 18:48:35 | kugel | yep |
| 18:49:30 | pyro_maniac | funman: did you found the patch on flyspray? |
| 18:50:14 | kugel | I think so, I posted the link |
| 18:50:30 | MarcGuay | simjoko: Add it to the viewers.cfg file (no need to recompile) |
| 18:50:34 | pyro_maniac | sry i misst that |
| 18:50:44 | simjoko | thanks for the hint |
| 18:50:48 | pyro_maniac | *missed |
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| 18:51:55 | funman | pyro_maniac: yes I found the patch. The process looks simple enough for me, thanks. Is there a way to recover if the bootloader doesn't work ? |
| 18:52:44 | pyro_maniac | funman: doesn't work? in which case? |
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| 18:53:10 | MarcGuay | simjoko: What folder did the test_codec.rock file end up in? It may have to be in the rocks/viewers folder... |
| 18:53:18 | pyro_maniac | funman: you mean the rockbox bootloader? |
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| 18:55:07 | simjoko | MarcGuay: hm, it does not seem to be there at all. I added test_codec.c to svnroot/apps/plugins/SOURCES is that correct? |
| 18:55:15 | funman | how can I change FW_YH920.mi4 if the bootloader doesn't work? Will USB connection still work? (is the USB connection not handled by FW_YH920.mi4 then?) |
| 18:56:09 | MarcGuay | simjoko: You might have to add it to the viewers.cfg file in the source as well _before_ compiling. |
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| 18:56:26 | simjoko | alright, I'll check it out |
| 18:56:27 | JdGordon| | viewers.convif |
| 18:56:36 | JdGordon| | config* |
| 18:56:36 | pyro_maniac | just backup FW_YH920.mi4 and replace it with the rockbox.mi4. this worked for me. the original bootloader handles the usb connection, so you can resore on errors. |
| 18:56:43 | _fml | What is HAVE_TUNER_PWR_CTRL for? Isn't it tuner driver specific? Or does it depend on the player schematics? |
| 18:57:06 | pyro_maniac | *restore |
| 18:57:07 | funman | "original bootloader" is different from the original FW_YH920.mi4 ? |
| 18:57:22 | pyro_maniac | yes |
| 18:57:58 | simjoko | aha |
| 18:58:02 | pyro_maniac | on my device the orignial bootloader wasn't really reachable |
| 18:58:07 | funman | ok, then I can experiment without fear of breaking it :) |
| 18:58:12 | simjoko | test_codec seems to only process wav by default |
| 18:58:26 | pyro_maniac | yes |
| 18:58:34 | funman | bricking |
| 18:58:35 | funman | * |
| 18:58:41 | MarcGuay | simjoko: I think you need to add "*, test_codec, 0" to the viewers config file. |
| 18:58:50 | MarcGuay | So that it applies to all file types. |
| 18:59:08 | pyro_maniac | if there is something wrong, just plug in usb and press reset |
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| 19:00:39 | funman | i'll look at it this evening :) |
| 19:00:58 | pyro_maniac | did you get rockbox running? |
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| 19:02:29 | kugel | fuzzie: I don't have it handy. It's in a patch I uploaded there, I'd need to extract it myself too |
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| 19:03:13 | simjoko | still no luck -.- |
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| 19:03:23 | kugel | eh |
| 19:03:31 | kugel | funman left, sorry fuzzie |
| 19:03:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yay, JPEG album art on my beast! \o/ |
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| 19:04:58 | MarcGuay | simjoko: I did the same thing the other day, let me see what changes I made. |
| 19:05:26 | simjoko | what makes me wonder is that there's no test_codec.rock in rocks/viewers |
| 19:05:38 | simjoko | and all this mess just for testing gcc 4.4.0 -.- |
| 19:07:21 | kugel | simjoko: we tested gcc (rc1 or seomthing) and it didn't work well |
| 19:07:31 | kugel | gcc 4.4 I mean |
| 19:07:50 | simjoko | alright, no need to do it twice then |
| 19:08:32 | kugel | well, we didn't test the release, and it's already few month ago, so you're welcome :) |
| 19:08:55 | simjoko | I'd really like to, but for some reason that test_codec thing won't show up for me -.- |
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| 19:12:56 | kugel | simjoko: You select a file for context menu, then select open with and test_codec |
| 19:13:46 | kugel | also, you probably can't browse it in the plugin browser, you rather search for it in .rockbox/rocks manually (test_* plugins tend to not be categorized well) |
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| 19:17:02 | simjoko | find | grep test does not give anything back, also it does not show up in the context menu. I already checked on that |
| 19:18:16 | kugel | then it didn't compile |
| 19:19:50 | Lear | Hm, what's the policy on feature requests on flyspray? Ignore them? Close fixed ones? Close all? :) |
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| 19:22:10 | JdGordon| | Lear: mix of ignore and close |
| 19:22:17 | JdGordon| | definetly close fixed ones |
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| 19:23:06 | CIA-38 | New commit by learman (r20927): Support longer tags on targets with 'enough' memory (more than 2 MB RAM). |
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| 19:24:10 | saratoga_lab | simjoko: editing SOURCES is enough, if it didn't appear after that something went wrong and you should probably do a make clean |
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| 19:24:30 | simjoko | I am already on track of the wrongdoer in the tree |
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| 19:25:56 | JdGordon| | Lear: maybe that should have been >8MB RAM? |
| 19:26:25 | Lear | JdGordon: Any particular reason? |
| 19:27:20 | simjoko | hmm, there's sth odd. in plugins/SUBDIRS the commentary tells that doom should only be built on color targets. selecting 24 Greyscale isn't color but it still builds doom |
| 19:28:08 | JdGordon| | Lear: for those that are going to complain about the extra wasted ram? |
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| 19:28:14 | pixelma | selecting 24 greyscale? |
| 19:28:31 | simjoko | on ../tools/configure menu |
| 19:28:47 | simjoko | 24) 4G Grayscale |
| 19:29:15 | pixelma | doom works on some greyscale and even one monochrome target |
| 19:29:52 | Lear | JdGordon|: Aren't the only users with 8 MB of RAM those with modded Archoses? If so, it doesn't make that much of a difference, does it? |
| 19:30:20 | simjoko | sure it runs, but on the 4g grayscale you just see a pixel soup :P it's not my project, but the guy putting that comment to the doom check might have had sth on his mind |
| 19:30:28 | JdGordon| | ah yes, I tihnk you're right... ignore me then :) |
| 19:30:39 | pixelma | simjoko: are you looking into apps/plugins/doom/SOURCES? |
| 19:30:47 | simjoko | no |
| 19:30:56 | simjoko | apps/plugins/SUBDIRS |
| 19:31:22 | saratoga_lab | simjoko: that file includes doom for grayscale targets |
| 19:31:30 | pixelma | ah, just the comment is wrong |
| 19:31:31 | saratoga_lab | which is why it builds on your 4G |
| 19:32:13 | simjoko | yes, I noticed that already. it's also the reason why I make that trouble in here right now :P Am I expressing myself that badly? |
| 19:32:17 | pixelma | the defines are what counts |
| 19:32:24 | simjoko | kk |
| 19:32:51 | pixelma | did you add test_codec to SUBDIRS, or why are you looking at that file? |
| 19:33:01 | simjoko | I had to remove doom |
| 19:33:07 | simjoko | because it did not build on gcc 4.4 |
| 19:33:23 | kugel | Lear: hopefully soonish some AMS sansa too :) |
| 19:33:57 | simjoko | also, I don't want doom on a 4g greyscale :P it's no use |
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| 19:35:05 | saratoga_lab | the 2MB memory preprocessor checks are a mess since they group the tcc 2MB chips with the 2MB AMS (which actually have 2.3MB including IRAM) |
| 19:35:36 | saratoga_lab | things that fit on AMS do not fit in TCC |
| 19:36:06 | kugel | well, the .3 are the important parts |
| 19:36:15 | kugel | is* and *part |
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| 19:36:51 | kugel | even though the clip would still have a little audio buffer, even without iram :) |
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| 19:39:29 | gevaerts | simjoko: why not? It works! |
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| 19:45:39 | simjoko | so |
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| 19:46:33 | simjoko | after the build completed I unzipped it to the root but it won't but up. seems I did sth rly wrong when I made it running half-way oO |
| 19:46:43 | amiconn | Lear: Uhm, do you have an idea why the Recorder8MB delta is so much higher than the others? |
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| 19:49:35 | Lear | amiconn: Static mp3entry buffers in mpeg.c, I'd guess. |
| 19:50:01 | amiconn | Hmm. Not good. |
| 19:50:39 | Lear | Can't afford 5 KB of 8 MB? :) |
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| 20:28:29 | Hillshum | Llorean: I wasn't referring to the direction-changing bit |
| 20:30:45 | Llorean | Hillshum: What about directions? |
| 20:30:47 | pixelma | that was what the thread was all about though, no? |
| 20:31:06 | Llorean | The feature idea, as described in the first post, is using vertical scrolling to add a visual effect to alternating sublines. |
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| 20:32:42 | Hillshum | Right. I was referring to alternating in general, not to the ability to change the direction of the effects. Also, I was not familiar with the ability to have alternating sublines |
| 20:33:02 | Llorean | It's mentioned in the first post. |
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| 20:33:24 | simjoko | um, what happend here :P I neither can't remove the bootloader nor reinstall it with the rbutil |
| 20:33:36 | JdGordon| | on which target? |
| 20:33:39 | Hillshum | simjoko: What device? |
| 20:33:40 | Llorean | Hillshum: You're aware that viewports allow you to limit line width so you can have two separate types of information side by side, with each having its own different maximum width, right? |
| 20:33:47 | simjoko | ipod 4g grey |
| 20:33:57 | Hillshum | Llorean: Yes |
| 20:37:53 | domonoky | if anybody here is interested in accessibility in rbutil, take a look here FS #10205 :-) |
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| 20:41:06 | JdGordon| | bertrik: re the radio screen.... the only good change for it is to make it wps-able.... |
| 20:42:01 | JdGordon| | pretty much anything else is wasted effort imho |
| 20:42:25 | Hillshum | can any of the hardware get the song info off the air(using whatever protocol it is)? |
| 20:42:45 | evilnick_7 | The S can, I think. Possibly some of the D2 models too |
| 20:43:33 | bertrik | JdGordon, yes I think I agree. The point of discussion (as far as I understand) is whether this would be done by extending the current WPS or creating a new WFMS |
| 20:44:10 | bertrik | and also whether to use the extend the old WPS code for radio, or create new WFMS code |
| 20:44:34 | JdGordon| | righto |
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| 20:46:37 | JdGordon| | I think it would be best to add fm-specific tags and have the option of loading a seperate new .wps for the fm screen or reusing the regular one (with a tag saying which screen it is in so the wright tags get shown) |
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| 20:50:23 | bertrik | JdGordon, ok, sounds good |
| 20:53:42 | bertrik | my first impression was to simply add radio specific code to gwps.c, but I now think that would become a big mess |
| 20:54:04 | JdGordon| | not really... |
| 20:54:15 | bertrik | gwps.c also handles keypresses (and interacts with playback) |
| 20:54:33 | JdGordon| | oh yeah, that bit will be odd |
| 20:54:51 | JdGordon| | I completly forgot about that side of the wps |
| 20:54:51 | kugel | every screen handles his keymaps |
| 20:55:16 | simjoko | sry, but what is the difference between ipod_10.3.1.1.ipsw and ipod_4.3.1.1.ipsw ? can't find any explanation on that |
| 20:55:38 | JdGordon| | one has 10 and one has 4? |
| 20:55:47 | kugel | I proposed it a few weeks ago already, most of the wps & radio buttons could be combined |
| 20:55:57 | simjoko | -.- |
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| 20:57:15 | pixelma | kugel: what? |
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| 20:58:49 | bertrik | I can imagine we create a wfms.c (similar to gwps.c) that replaces the current radio high-level code and handles the GUI of the radio screen and uses common parts from gwps-common.c |
| 20:58:55 | pixelma | there are quite a few specific ones (ID3 viewer, pitch screen on the WPS side - the mode switch, preset list (even record on the Archoses) on the Radio screen side), just the first few comming to my mind now |
| 20:59:14 | kugel | *most* |
| 20:59:24 | kugel | and all that doesn't make it impossible |
| 20:59:51 | JdGordon| | re the buttons.. its probably easiest to keep them seperate.. the entire drawing part can be combined easily enough though |
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| 21:00:43 | kugel | I think the buttons handling could rather easily seperated out of each screen, combined to one handler, plugged to the screen via an api |
| 21:01:26 | kugel | like the screen api |
| 21:01:38 | * | JdGordon| thinking over-engineering there |
| 21:01:45 | * | bertrik is not familiar with the screen api |
| 21:02:11 | kugel | that would also give nicely similar keymaps for similar actions |
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| 21:02:34 | JdGordon| | no, that would be enforced by the keymap file |
| 21:02:35 | bertrik | kugel, you mean some kind of key-handler registration into the GUI? |
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| 21:02:54 | kugel | something like that, yes |
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| 21:04:03 | kugel | like this "case: ACTION_WPSFM_SEEK_FWD { media_screens[curr_screen]->seek_forward() }", which would scan for FM and seek for WPS |
| 21:04:24 | kugel | JdGordon: I also mean combining the contexts then |
| 21:05:39 | kugel | bertrik: the screen api is a giant struct containing function pointers, which point to different functions for [SCREEN_MAIN] and [SCREEN_REMOTE] |
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| 21:08:23 | JdGordon| | kugel: yeah, thats overkill... especially when there might be no way to logically map all the required functions on one screen with the optional ones on another |
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| 21:08:42 | kugel | how's that overkill? |
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| 21:10:32 | JdGordon| | heck, I dont even understand what you're trying to do there... just remember the entire screen logic except for the actual drawing is going to be different so keeping them seperate is a good didea |
| 21:11:49 | pixelma | will that make one big action context (with later use in one big loop? Just asking because of possible overlap of actions |
| 21:11:53 | bertrik | I would do one thing at a time, not try to create a WFMS and overhauling the entire key handling at the same time |
| 21:12:15 | pixelma | that's a question out of curiosity, only halfway thought through |
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| 21:13:05 | * | JdGordon| *strongly* recommends not trying to combine the key contexts |
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| 21:19:46 | archivator | Out of curiosity, is there a list of (new) plugins in FS? I've found quite a few now and thought a wiki page might be in order. Couldn't find any, though |
| 21:21:53 | Llorean | archivator: Flyspray's for submitting patches for consideration for inclusion. A list of the ones that happen to be plugins won't really improve the process, I think |
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| 21:24:56 | archivator | Llorean: you have a point, sure. I'd think that bringing these plugins to the users' attention (thus giving more feedback to the developers) might actually speed up the process. I realize that the majority uses the official builds but the people who compile their own build might appreciate it. I can't see it doing any harm, anyway.. |
| 21:26:49 | Llorean | archivator: What the process needs are programmers willing to take the time to find out what's holding their plugin back, and put a dedicated effort into correcting the problem. |
| 21:27:24 | Llorean | Most things on the tracker are there either because of a lack of interest from someone to put in the work, or nobody with the time / inclination to review and commit it. |
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| 21:28:00 | Llorean | If someone's actively working on it, they can create a test build with a list of things for people to test, for example. |
| 21:28:50 | Llorean | A wiki page of "plugins in the tracker" just means something else in our wiki that's likely to contain outdated information, or manage to confuse new users as to what's actually available and what's not, I think. |
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| 21:29:43 | domonoky | archivator: you also can just search FS with category set to "plugins" (and maybe "games") to get a list of plugins in FS. |
| 21:30:05 | archivator | Llorean: As a developer of a plugin still in FS (FS #10065 for anyone that's interested), I feel that more user feedback - aside from programming advice from devs - is needed. Any and all ways to help more people test my work will be greatly appreciated. I just thought this could be a good starting point, |
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| 21:30:25 | Llorean | archivator: Wouldn't the ideal way to get user feedback be to actually provide test builds? |
| 21:30:55 | archivator | domonoky: not every patch is a plugin - quite a lot of rework, refactoring, bug fixes and whatnot. |
| 21:31:34 | Llorean | archivator: Anyone who can find the wiki page can also set the search to "patches" or "plugins" and see what's interesting there. |
| 21:32:06 | Llorean | It's just as easy for us to tell someone "go to <plugin patch wiki page>" as to say "go to Flyspray and set it to the plugins category" |
| 21:32:21 | Llorean | And the search will remain accurate, a plus I think. |
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| 21:33:35 | archivator | Llorean: sure, perhaps. Though, take my plugin. It changes the plugin API, so distributing just a .rock is out of the question. I'd need to have builds for every target requested. Against which revision, though? People running a stable build would (I think) rather have a build against the last stable build. People running daily builds might want one against HEAD. And so on and so forth.. |
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| 21:34:14 | Llorean | archivator: And all testing should be against a known SVN revision anyway, so you can rule out SVN bugs. |
| 21:34:29 | Llorean | If someone tested against 3.2 and it didn't work, the first thing you'd say would be "could you verify it has that problem in current SVN?" |
| 21:34:51 | Llorean | People who want badly to stick with 3.2 aren't going to be compiling their own builds anyway. |
| 21:35:10 | archivator | That's why I'm distributing my own builds, remember? |
| 21:35:26 | archivator | That is, a 3.2 build with my plugin, in this instance. |
| 21:35:45 | Llorean | So what, exactly, is the problem? |
| 21:36:12 | archivator | My point is, we need to cover lots of use cases (in terms of versions, mainly) to lower the user entry bar significantly enough to matter. |
| 21:36:26 | Llorean | But the wiki page doesn't do that at all |
| 21:36:55 | archivator | Sure, consider it out of the discussion. It's a bad idea and I see that now. |
| 21:36:57 | Llorean | The content of your proposed wiki page can be duplicated by a single search of flyspray with the category set to "plugins", anyway, so it's 100% redundant. |
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| 21:37:18 | Llorean | So what's your proposition then? |
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| 21:40:51 | archivator | Right now, I'm trying to spark a discussion. My only proposition is on the verge of insanity/unmaintainability anyway. We *could* in theory have the build server compile builds with a certain patch from FS (after the patch's developer requests that and is backed up by staff member). That's the only thing I can come up with right now that will make a difference and it is almost infeasible.. Sorry 'bout that. |
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| 21:42:27 | Llorean | Why would the build server need to do it? |
| 21:44:10 | rasher | It's not like you need to track SVN for every revision with these builds |
| 21:44:17 | domonoky | archivator: take a look a tools/release/ to build a series of rockbox binarys for many different targets easily. |
| 21:46:06 | archivator | Llorean, rasher : right, didn't think that through. How about an officially "supported" (endorsed, really) centralized location where developers would upload their builds (optionally, users would request certain builds)? |
| 21:46:47 | JdGordon| | we now have that |
| 21:46:53 | JdGordon| | the official test builds forum |
| 21:46:53 | rasher | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=53.0 |
| 21:47:23 | JdGordon| | but users dont care about testing builds |
| 21:47:35 | Hillshum | some do |
| 21:47:37 | JdGordon| | and by users.. i'm including devs also |
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| 21:48:27 | archivator | Okay, I feel silly now. Sorry about wasting your time. I honestly don't know how I missed that forum. Really, I'm sorry. |
| 21:48:46 | JdGordon| | you might not be able to post there though... |
| 21:48:58 | Hillshum | It is rather new iirc |
| 21:50:21 | rasher | I just think the community doesn't have enough of the right kind of users |
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| 21:50:36 | Llorean | JdGordon|: Yes, the ability to start threads there is restricted |
| 21:50:49 | Llorean | But someone can always start a thread in unsupported builds and request it be moved over. |
| 21:50:52 | archivator | A link to that forum from the "current build" page wouldn't hurt, too. "There are features we need feedback on and we have prepared builds to help with testing. See here:" |
| 21:54:50 | Hillshum | When using the native list widget, in a plugin, which keymap is used? The plugin's or the core one? |
| 21:55:02 | JdGordon| | core |
| 21:55:49 | JdGordon| | archivator: I dont know if this was mentioed before... having a list of plugins in the wiki also means there is less incentive for the plugin dev to work to get it commited |
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| 21:59:31 | froggyman | #rockbox-community |
| 21:59:38 | froggyman | sorry |
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| 22:04:48 | froggyman | why does the OF seem to take so long to load? (compared to a hibernated iPod and rockboxed one, both booting into OF |
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| 22:09:12 | froggyman | anyone? |
| 22:09:13 | evilnick_230 | froggyman: "compared to the hibernated or rockboxed iPod" I don't understand what you mean by that |
| 22:11:42 | martian67 | froggyman, the orginal firmware is 1) loaded from the rockbox bootloader 2) is slow to start |
| 22:11:57 | martian67 | the OF is almost never down totally |
| 22:12:07 | martian67 | so i dont think they focused much on startup time |
| 22:13:39 | froggyman | martian67: makes sense, i only use the OF for video playback anyways |
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| 22:32:23 | _fml | Could anyone help me with this, especially with the second part of the question: What is HAVE_TUNER_PWR_CTRL for? Isn't it tuner driver specific? Or does it depend on the player schematics? |
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| 22:36:52 | _fml | And one more: why is CONFIG_TUNER_XTAL defined in the config-<player>.h and not in the tuner driver's header file? |
| 22:37:35 | linuxstb | _fml: Looking at the code, HAVE_TUNER_PWER_CTRL is used in firmware/drivers/tuners/s1a0903x01.c - so it seems dependent on the player schematics |
| 22:40:00 | _fml | linuxstb: aha. So the tuner chip might have the capability but it wouldn't be usable because of how it's assembled. Right? |
| 22:41:29 | _fml | Then the same would apply to XTAL: the frequency generator is a separate chip, and different players might use the same tuner chip with different XTAL's. Ok, now everything makes sense again. |
| 22:42:39 | linuxstb | _fml: Yes, in the case of the S1A0903X01 it seems to be used by various Archos devices, but only the Ondio defines HAVE_TUNER_PWR_CTRL |
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| 22:43:09 | _fml | linuxstb: is it on purpose or just an oversight? :-) |
| 22:43:25 | * | linuxstb has no idea |
| 22:43:42 | _fml | linuxstb: but IIUC, HAVE_RADIO_REGION shouldn't be dependant on the player, only on the tuner chip. |
| 22:44:05 | _fml | (which it is currently is) |
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| 22:44:16 | linuxstb | I would expect that, but I've never worked with tuners |
| 22:44:35 | _fml | amiconn: you are the archos wizard. Could you shed some light on the question above? |
| 22:44:49 | bertrik | _fml, the region stuff is a bit of a complex mess right now IMO |
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| 22:45:48 | _fml | bertrik: why? This may be true. I've only seen that the setting for the fm region is not protected by HAVE_RADIO_REGION. I'm going to correct that. |
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| 22:48:13 | bertrik | _fml, we have 4 regions now, 2 of which are partially incorrect IMO and each fm chip driver has its own coding for the region properties |
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| 22:49:48 | _fml | bertrik: ok, I see. But what I'm going to change is the frame arond that, so I won't make that ugliness nether better nor worse. |
| 22:50:23 | pixelma | the OndioFM's can have one of two tuners - the old ones had a Samsung chip like the FM recorders and newer OndioFMs the TEA one as the Irivers (and basically Iaudios...) |
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| 22:53:11 | _fml | pixelma: so all the radio capabilities should only be determined at runtime? |
| 22:53:28 | _fml | (not at compile time?) |
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| 22:54:38 | pixelma | sorry, don't know how that works. Is that also important for the radio detection? |
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| 22:57:04 | pixelma | if it was decided at runtime, would that mean a need for two different builds? |
| 22:57:07 | _fml | pixelma: I don't know. But I assume that if we don't know the tuner at compile time then we can't make any decisions at compile time. So my idea with protecting some options with HAVE_RADIO_REGION might be not sound. |
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| 22:58:16 | pixelma | and I think you can't tell old and new OndioFMs apart for sure from just looking at the case |
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| 23:00:54 | pixelma | eh... I meant "at compiile time" in my previous sentence |
| 23:01:01 | _fml | pixelma: but OTOH the majority of the players are fixed in that respect. And for Ondio's we'll assume that the region capability is present (which is how it works now IIUC) |
| 23:01:18 | n1s | there are players wich only differ in the fm tuner but use the same build so they need to detec at runtime, also players where some have no fm tuner |
| 23:01:54 | pixelma | that too |
| 23:02:59 | _fml | Don't we have some code that's run once when the player is powered on? The setup code. There we could detect whether the radio is present and what tuner type it uses. |
| 23:03:46 | * | Hillshum isn |
| 23:04:18 | amiconn | _fml: Afaik only the Ondio has tuner power control. It is indeed dependent on the player schematics, but most (all?) newer tuner chips have a deep sleep mode that makes controlling the chip's power unnecessary |
| 23:04:20 | Hillshum | t finding a rockboxiu after building sim. on jaunty |
| 23:04:40 | linuxstb | Look for rockboxui ;) |
| 23:05:20 | _fml | But if I understand correctly, now everything is compiled in the assumption of the best possible situation. I.e. the tuner is assumed to be present but the menu entry might be hidden at runtime. Same for the RADIO_REGION: it's assumed that it's present (for Ondio's). |
| 23:05:36 | amiconn | As pixelma already mentioned, the Ondio exists in various hardware versions which can have two different tuner chips, the old Samsung (which has no deep sleep and hence tuner power is controllable) or the newer Philips TEA5767 (which has deep sleep) |
| 23:05:52 | Hillshum | I get this http://rockbox.pastebin.com/f3b2478b6 |
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| 23:06:17 | bertrik | _fml, there's firmware/tuner.c which sits between the radio drivers and the more generic radio code in apps/recorder/radio.c |
| 23:06:20 | amiconn | The same Samsung chip is also used in the FM recorder, but *afaik* power is not controllable there (i.e. the chip will always suck some battery power) |
| 23:06:57 | linuxstb | Hillshum: I assume you did a "make" before the "make fullinstall" ? |
| 23:07:09 | Hillshum | linuxstb: Yes |
| 23:07:24 | _fml | amiconn: but HAVE_TUNER_PWR_CTRL is defined for many players, not just for Ondio |
| 23:07:40 | linuxstb | Hillshum: Which sim? I can test if you want. |
| 23:07:50 | Hillshum | e200 |
| 23:07:55 | * | Hillshum tries others |
| 23:08:02 | linuxstb | But I would have expected others to shout if it was a general problem. |
| 23:08:45 | amiconn | _fml: I don't know how it's handled /used on those. Perhaps it controls this tuner deep sleep, in which case all targets with fm tuner except the archos FM recorder should have it defined |
| 23:09:17 | pixelma | he said Ondio has it defined unlike other Archoses |
| 23:09:24 | robin0800 | Hillshum: I think you have to be in sim directory not build for it to work |
| 23:09:48 | Hillshum | it's not in simdisk/ either |
| 23:10:04 | linuxstb | Hillshum: Works fine for me. |
| 23:10:16 | amiconn | This might need some cleanup. Ideally, this macro can be made obsolete |
| 23:10:27 | linuxstb | Hillshum: Try running "make bin" again |
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| 23:22:08 | Bagder | whoa! |
| 23:22:19 | Bagder | (the sound mail) |
| 23:25:05 | JdGordon| | woo! |
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| 23:28:36 | * | froggyman wonders if they mean american football or "regular" football |
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| 23:28:53 | gevaerts | froggyman: what? |
| 23:29:05 | froggyman | wrong channel, whoops |
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| 23:46:51 | JdGordon| | so how many targets now have sound and not supported? 5? 6? |
| 23:47:52 | JdGordon| | 8 and all the ams targets! |
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| 23:52:56 | webguest13 | I know its not done yet, but has anyone got any themes working for the fuze? or how could I modify an existing say... ipod theme.. or something.. to be used on the fuze? |
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| 23:54:33 | JdGordon| | as with all themes... it depends on the screen size |
| 23:54:42 | JdGordon| | its possible a heap already work fine |
| 23:54:51 | JdGordon| | I dont know what screen the fuze has |
| 23:55:52 | pixelma | IIRC it's 220x176, so same as the H300 and Ipod Color/Photo |
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