| 00:01:29 | skull0 | Good night, |
| 00:01:59 | skull0 | excuse me someone could lend me a hand about hardware info on the sony nwd-b105? |
| 00:02:18 | skull0 | http://www.sony.co.uk/product/nws-b-series/nwd-b105 |
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| 00:03:27 | kkurbjun | skull0: did you check the wiki? Usually if someone is actively working on a device, or considering it there's a wiki page with at least the hw information. I have not heard of anyone workong on that particular device offhand |
| 00:03:55 | skull0 | the wiki has no info |
| 00:03:57 | kkurbjun | the new ports forum sometimes has information that's not on the wiki too |
| 00:04:04 | skull0 | only have the nw-1000 and like |
| 00:04:59 | skull0 | ok! Ill check the forum |
| 00:05:13 | skull0 | thanks kkurbjun |
| 00:05:38 | kkurbjun | no problem |
| 00:05:58 | skull0 | see ya! |
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| 00:13:21 | dfkt | i'm having issues with the WPS default status bar, used in a conditional |
| 00:13:25 | dfkt | %?C<%Vda|%Vdb> |
| 00:13:34 | dfkt | %Vl|a|0|0|0|0|-|-|000000| |
| 00:13:34 | dfkt | %wd |
| 00:13:37 | dfkt | %Vl|b|0|0|0|0|-|-|000000| |
| 00:13:38 | dfkt | %we |
| 00:14:02 | dfkt | in condition a it still flashes on and off, over the full-screen album art that should be there |
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| 00:22:19 | Horscht | dfkt, i would think that you can not use the stautsbar in a conditional... |
| 00:23:07 | dfkt | damn, that sets me back in my plans |
| 00:23:31 | Horscht | but I am not realy sure. It doesn't specificaly say so in the wiki |
| 00:24:03 | dfkt | it works "somewhat", but it flickers when AA is displayed, switching between status bar on and off |
| 00:24:15 | dfkt | in no-AA mode it works perfectly fine, displaying the bar |
| 00:24:36 | Horscht | "The conditionals nest, so the text in the if and else part can contain all % commands, including conditionals." |
| 00:24:45 | Horscht | actualy, it says right there that it should work |
| 00:25:24 | dfkt | i don't think i made a mistake: http://pastie.org/480360 |
| 00:26:23 | Horscht | I am not a wps guy, realy. |
| 00:26:29 | Horscht | it's all cryptic to me |
| 00:26:58 | dfkt | ok, but thanks for verifying that it *should* work :) |
| 00:27:05 | Horscht | it's not very nice too look at a .wps file and trying to find out how it actualy looks. |
| 00:27:15 | Horscht | well, the wiki says it does. |
| 00:27:42 | dfkt | it's a x5/h10 wps, i can zip it up if it's any help |
| 00:28:25 | Horscht | no, I don't have a x5/h10 nor do I understand wps syntax |
| 00:28:50 | dfkt | ok, thanks though |
| 00:29:01 | Horscht | you'll either have to stick around till someone with the knowledge comes arounf |
| 00:29:05 | Horscht | or ask in the forums |
| 00:29:08 | dfkt | will do |
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| 00:31:01 | Horscht | hm... try this, dfkt: |
| 00:31:07 | Horscht | %Vl|a|0|0|-|-|-|-|000000| |
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| 00:32:00 | Horscht | i.e. do not specify a width and heighth |
| 00:32:04 | dfkt | nope, still flickers |
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| 00:34:44 | dfkt | however, using the same line for the non-aa conditional makes it flicker too... so you might be on to something |
| 00:40:24 | dfkt | seems the status bar flickers as soon as i define a width/height other than 0 |
| 00:41:38 | Horscht | which is weird as you are defining a viewport that is 0x0 in size... |
| 00:41:58 | Horscht | unless 0x0 means "as big as it needs to be" |
| 00:42:22 | dfkt | indeed.. for example when i define the non-aa status bar as 160x1, only the first row of pixels flickers in non-aa |
| 00:43:10 | dfkt | 160x2 = 2 lines flicker, etc |
| 00:43:54 | Horscht | stupid idea: what happens with this conditional: |
| 00:44:15 | Horscht | %?C<%wd%Vda|%we%Vdb> |
| 00:44:48 | Horscht | and commenting out the two statusbar viewports you defined earlier |
| 00:45:27 | Horscht | no wait... I don't think that'll work... You could try, but I think it wont |
| 00:45:33 | dfkt | doesn#t work, reverts to the default, i.e. error |
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| 00:46:32 | Horscht | "...they must be on their own line." |
| 00:46:36 | Horscht | forgot about that |
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| 00:46:48 | dfkt | the %wd/we tags? |
| 00:47:50 | Horscht | yeah |
| 00:48:35 | Horscht | making this line a lie: |
| 00:48:36 | Horscht | "The conditionals nest, so the text in the if and else part can contain all % commands, including conditionals." |
| 00:48:45 | dfkt | hmmm |
| 00:49:47 | dfkt | seems the very specific hard coded status bar is a bit different than all other items that can be placed in a wps... |
| 00:50:33 | Horscht | so you probably can't use the statusbar in a conditional in any way, not even via viewports... you'd probably have to define your own custom statusbar (i.e. a Viewport containing all the wanted information in another way) |
| 00:50:37 | dfkt | very time consuming workaround would be to mimic the status bar by coding all items on it separately, with their graphics and all |
| 00:50:44 | dfkt | jinx :) |
| 00:51:37 | Horscht | yeah, that's what I meant |
| 00:52:01 | dfkt | thanks Horscht, i will look into it, the graphics aren't that hard to recreate - probably easier than to get them out of the source |
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| 00:53:55 | Horscht | np |
| 00:54:17 | Horscht | but remember: I do not actualy have any knowledge about wps, I am just speculating :D |
| 00:54:46 | dfkt | ok :) soo.. if anyone knows what's going on, my question still stands :D |
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| 02:36:52 | andrewcodemonkey | hi |
| 02:37:16 | andrewcodemonkey | is there any way to leave out certain parts when compiling? |
| 02:37:32 | Unhelpful | what parts, exactly? |
| 02:37:56 | andrewcodemonkey | well, I am only wanting the rockbox binary, so i don't need /lang or /bitmaps |
| 02:38:03 | andrewcodemonkey | i'm not entirely sure |
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| 02:38:41 | andrewcodemonkey | basically i'm impatient and every time i make a small change, rebuilding takes near ten minutes |
| 02:38:49 | Unhelpful | ...you really do want /lang and /bitmaps :P |
| 02:39:18 | andrewcodemonkey | haha, what i mean is i dont want to *re* build them |
| 02:39:31 | Unhelpful | it takes 10min even if you're not building from scratch? it should only be rebuilding changed files, or things that depend on them. |
| 02:40:04 | Unhelpful | make will already not redo things that don't have a changed dependency. if you want to improve things, you might try using ccache. |
| 02:40:13 | andrewcodemonkey | well, i'm not making in the same directory, i am keeping different builds separate |
| 02:44:12 | andrewcodemonkey | ok let me put it a different way. is there any way to compile only the rockbox binary? |
| 02:46:38 | Unhelpful | *without* building the files in /bitmaps that are used to build the binary? |
| 02:47:16 | andrewcodemonkey | ok. point taken. |
| 02:47:42 | andrewcodemonkey | thanks =) |
| 02:48:02 | Unhelpful | first of all, make -j might help a bit if you aren't using -j now |
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| 02:49:23 | andrewcodemonkey | well, i'm running in a VM on a single core laptop circa 2002 so it probably won't make much different |
| 02:49:25 | Unhelpful | not kidding about ccache, it will recover a lot of the time you're losing if you use a new dir each time you build |
| 02:49:25 | andrewcodemonkey | *ce |
| 02:49:46 | andrewcodemonkey | ah, ok, i have no knowledge of ccache. i'll have a look. thanks. |
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| 02:51:36 | Unhelpful | make -j is also not useless with single cores, it can help make sure that whichever resource is the bottleneck *actually* gets saturated, instead of idling between building individual files. |
| 02:51:52 | Unhelpful | if you're very short on memory, make -j2 or -j3 might be better than a bare -j |
| 02:52:53 | andrewcodemonkey | ok, thanks. i'll give it a try while ccache is installing |
| 02:53:27 | Unhelpful | ccache will probably be the larger gain, since it will save you rebuilding some of those files. |
| 02:54:20 | andrewcodemonkey | sure, that makes complete sense. re-building the same code twice is exactly what i'm trying to achieve, obviously, so a cache system is perfect |
| 02:55:38 | Unhelpful | if you have several more ancient laptops you could try distcc ;) |
| 02:56:50 | andrewcodemonkey | haha even if i did, somehow i would guess the time taken to switch them all on and get connected would defeat any gain |
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| 02:58:31 | Unhelpful | yes, you generally use distcc as a daemon on a system that is left running. but you *might* try to use it, if you have such a system, and build some cross-compilers for it. |
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| 03:02:11 | andrewcodemonkey | ah, ok. sadly this is the only system i have. |
| 03:02:33 | andrewcodemonkey | to be honest i really ought to save up some cash and buy a new computer |
| 03:03:10 | andrewcodemonkey | then i could leave this one on permanently as a server |
| 03:07:46 | andrewcodemonkey | right, ccache is installed. should i symlink gcc to it, or arm-elf-gcc, or both? |
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| 03:08:12 | * | Unhelpful is assuming that 3-4 more add or shift ops is worth getting rid of a 32x32->64 multiply in the scaler |
| 03:09:49 | Unhelpful | basically, if i take the scaler back to "dividing" the values into a fixed-point representation between the horizontal and vertical parts of the scale, i think i can the the multiply that's used to do that conversion for free. |
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| 03:10:53 | andrewcodemonkey | i think there is possibly some grammar missing ^^ as i'm not sure what you are getting at |
| 03:11:54 | scorche | he isnt talking to you |
| 03:12:22 | andrewcodemonkey | i guessed that, obviously, i was just pointing out that there may be a mistake |
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| 04:05:05 | andrew288 | ... I just discovered svn revert has a recursive function. |
| 04:05:28 | andrew288 | which pretty much makes my above nonsense invalid. |
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| 05:07:33 | andrew288 | hi |
| 05:07:48 | andrew288 | um, any idea why plugin chessclock.c would break my build? |
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| 05:08:49 | andrew288 | sorry, thats an ambiguous question. more specifically, i just got this error from make: "chessclock.c:568: error: duplicate case value" |
| 05:09:19 | andrew288 | i've checked the line and i cant see how that has anything to do with what i've been changing (key bindings for the cowon d2) |
| 05:09:55 | andrew288 | that file hasnt been changed in svn for five months either. |
| 05:12:27 | andrew288 | is anybody awake? |
| 05:12:42 | andrew288 | or is my IRC etiquette lacking? |
| 05:14:16 | Llorean | andrew288: If someone has an answer, they'll answer |
| 05:14:33 | Llorean | But there's 120 people in the room, any number of which could be AFK or asleep (considering the current time in Europe, especially) |
| 05:14:52 | Llorean | And it wouldn't make much sense for everyone to chime in with "I don't know, but I did see your message" |
| 05:15:55 | andrew288 | ah, ok. thanks. i guess its just sometimes a little offputting when there is no response at all, tbh i would prefer if at least one person said that |
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| 05:19:32 | MarcGuay__ | andrew288: it probably means that the same button is defined twice in that plugin after your changes. |
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| 06:49:12 | jck | can i install rockbox on a transcend tsonic 820 |
| 06:49:32 | scorche | is that device listed on the front page? |
| 06:50:26 | jck | no |
| 06:50:34 | scorche | then it looks like you have an answer |
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| 08:26:03 | JdGordon | touchscreen wps is just about finished... the last thing to figure out is a slider mechanism for volume and seeking... |
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| 11:26:25 | Ubuntuxer | Hi, Does anybody know a smart ability to avoid unused parameter warnings in a function, if the parameter is e.g. just used only on color displays. |
| 11:27:00 | n1s | you can just void cast them |
| 11:27:11 | n1s | like (void)param; |
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| 11:41:54 | Ubuntuxer | thank you very much |
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| 12:25:43 | Jaykay | AlexP: i found the "problem" with the patch - i used some tabs |
| 12:26:00 | AlexP | ah, naughty naught |
| 12:26:00 | Jaykay | btw searching for tabs in the rockbox trunk givex 18k results |
| 12:26:27 | AlexP | doesn't matter as far as this is concerned |
| 12:26:51 | AlexP | You definately shouldn't be introducing new ones |
| 12:28:18 | AlexP | Anyway, I'm still not convinced about the point of moving this all around - it doesn't add anything IMO and it just obscures who wrote it in the first place |
| 12:28:22 | bertrik | Jaykay, IIRC last time I looked, especially the plugins and codecs contained tabs, only a few in firmware |
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| 12:30:11 | Jaykay | bertrik: searching in apps/codecs gives 14k results :) |
| 12:35:34 | AlexP | Jaykay: Anyway, I think these are all things that the next time someone is editing that section can be changed. If I apply thid patch now, it'll show as me having written everything which won't be very helpful if people are trying to track down why something was written as it was |
| 12:38:42 | Jaykay | AlexP: didn't you edit this section a few days ago? |
| 12:38:54 | AlexP | yes, little bits |
| 12:39:01 | AlexP | but not big swathes |
| 12:39:15 | Jaykay | anyway - close it if you think it's helpful - imo the code really looks much better |
| 12:39:32 | Jaykay | don't think.... |
| 12:39:33 | AlexP | I don't think it really matters |
| 12:47:05 | Jaykay | how about a big commit of nonsense and whitespace-changes - 18k tabs, //-comments, >80 character lines and so on |
| 12:47:15 | Jaykay | no? |
| 12:47:23 | Jaykay | it was just an idea ;) |
| 12:48:47 | n1s | Jaykay: the codecs contain a lot of tabs because we do generally not change the style of imported code |
| 12:49:14 | n1s | because that would make merging in new upstream versions a lot more work |
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| 13:52:45 | mcuelenaere | is anyone here able to tell me how I can verify whether usb hid on Rockbox works (on Linux)? |
| 13:53:32 | gevaerts | you need one more patch to actually send HID events |
| 13:54:51 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: http://pastie.org/480654 |
| 13:54:59 | gevaerts | After that, run xev to see input events |
| 13:56:10 | CIA-38 | New commit by bertrik (r20975): Clean up some unused #includes |
| 13:57:47 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: I checked out tomers git repository so I didn't think I needed a patch |
| 13:57:52 | mcuelenaere | but I'll try xev |
| 13:58:03 | gevaerts | ah ok. In that case you should have everything |
| 13:59:49 | mcuelenaere | hmm do I have to enter some kind of special menu to trigger usb hid events to be sent to the host? |
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| 14:00:48 | gevaerts | if you're running an MSC+HID connection, you should be able to press keys on the USB screen |
| 14:01:59 | mcuelenaere | and if a HID-only connection? |
| 14:02:16 | * | mcuelenaere suspects something's wrong with his USB driver + interrupt endpoints |
| 14:02:20 | gevaerts | then the debug menu |
| 14:03:44 | mcuelenaere | hmm still nothing |
| 14:04:22 | * | mcuelenaere enables logf in the USB HID driver |
| 14:05:43 | mcuelenaere | hmm I don't see any HID: Sending 0x%x messages, so I think there's something wrong with intercepting the buttons |
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| 14:09:25 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: is HID enabled properly? There's a debug menu item for that as well |
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| 14:10:10 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: it is, but I think the problem is me + git |
| 14:10:43 | mcuelenaere | somehow the apps/ code doesn't contain tomers changes |
| 14:12:22 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: do you have the hid branch or the master branch? |
| 14:12:39 | mcuelenaere | I only see the master branch |
| 14:14:26 | gevaerts | how did you clone? |
| 14:14:43 | mcuelenaere | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbStackEnhancements : git clone git://github.com/tomers/Rockbox-USB-stack-enhancement.git |
| 14:15:07 | gevaerts | ok. Does "git branch" list just master? |
| 14:15:13 | mcuelenaere | yes |
| 14:16:06 | gevaerts | hm |
| 14:16:22 | mcuelenaere | I tried git branch hid, but that just created a hid branch |
| 14:17:46 | gevaerts | I'm working a bit differently. I use a "normal" rockbox git checkout, with tomers' branches added into it |
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| 14:18:53 | mcuelenaere | I seem to have a ~/usb_hid/Rockbox-USB-stack-enhancement/.git/refs/remotes/origin/hid file.. (which contains the latest commit 430150e99f20d33c045fadfbcccb5cc78233d54e) |
| 14:19:15 | gevaerts | http://pastie.org/480669 |
| 14:19:54 | mcuelenaere | thanks |
| 14:19:55 | gevaerts | After that, "git checkout tomers_usb_hid" or "git checkout master" to switch |
| 14:20:07 | * | gevaerts thanks Unhelpful for his advice on this |
| 14:22:55 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: I'm also having issues with HID-only |
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| 14:23:44 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: mine were probably due to nothing HID-related being in apps/ |
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| 14:31:12 | * | mcuelenaere has a lot of new USB HID-related items in his debug menu, but still none of them are working |
| 14:32:02 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: what does lsusb -v -d <your-VID>:<your-PID> say? |
| 14:32:26 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: if I do a sudo cat /dev/input/by-id/usb-Rockbox.org_Rockbox_media_player-event-mouse , should that display the HID messages? |
| 14:32:44 | gevaerts | you get that? I don't... |
| 14:33:28 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: http://pastie.org/480676 |
| 14:33:52 | mcuelenaere | dmesg: http://pastie.org/480677 |
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| 14:34:49 | GeneralTru | Ey people |
| 14:35:09 | bertrik | HI GeneralTru |
| 14:35:12 | GeneralTru | =) |
| 14:35:43 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: how did you configure things? No USB_STORAGE and USB_HID? |
| 14:35:48 | GeneralTru | I got a question i heard that when you downgrade your sansa fuze firmware from v2 too v1 you can use rockbox i did so but it does not work did that person lie? |
| 14:36:32 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: yes |
| 14:36:46 | mcuelenaere | (and USB_SERIAL, but I don't think that matters?) |
| 14:36:52 | AlexP | GeneralTru: Rockbox isn't supported on any Fuse |
| 14:37:07 | gevaerts | hm, maybe it does... |
| 14:37:14 | GeneralTru | ive read that that is cause it has v2 firmware but i thought that if you downgraded to v1 it might work mmm |
| 14:37:23 | AlexP | GeberAnd generally you cannot do that as the hardware is different |
| 14:37:36 | AlexP | -Geber @ GeneralTru |
| 14:38:02 | GeneralTru | well i could instal rockbot but just not the bootloader ;p |
| 14:38:10 | GeneralTru | rockbox* |
| 14:38:34 | GeneralTru | Well i suppose i have to be patience then |
| 14:38:57 | AlexP | Installing Rockbox in that sense is just copying some files to the disk |
| 14:39:15 | AlexP | i.e. the files will be there but do nothing |
| 14:39:21 | GeneralTru | is there no way to copy the bootloader files too the disk? |
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| 14:41:28 | AlexP | Why? |
| 14:41:55 | AlexP | It won't do anything - Rockbox need to be written for specific hardware |
| 14:42:21 | GeneralTru | So i better give up right;p |
| 14:42:25 | AlexP | It is like saying if I install the firmware from my microwave onto my toaster will the toaster become a microwave |
| 14:42:39 | GeneralTru | lol true |
| 14:43:12 | GeneralTru | Oke thanks then i will stop doing this then |
| 14:43:59 | GeneralTru | i also heard someone had a alpha version or something for the rockbox sansa fuze version is that anywhere available as it was a random guy at some strange forum |
| 14:48:48 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: do you have CHARGING_ONLY? |
| 14:49:26 | GeneralTru | yea |
| 14:50:20 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: yes |
| 14:50:29 | GeneralTru | yes |
| 14:52:54 | GeneralTru | yes |
| 14:53:21 | gevaerts | GeneralTru: stop it |
| 14:53:34 | GeneralTru | ? |
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| 15:00:51 | tmzt | fuze is in svn though, it just has to be built and installed manually |
| 15:01:31 | tmzt | not supported means some specific in rockbox, there's no manual and the builds aren't listed on the build page as well as some other things |
| 15:01:32 | tmzt | and he left |
| 15:02:03 | n1s | it also means that it might work poorly or not at all |
| 15:02:14 | n1s | or steal your lunch |
| 15:02:19 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: sounds like a bug in USB driver management? |
| 15:03:20 | gevaerts | either that or me doing stupid things. I'm still not sure |
| 15:03:22 | tmzt | what is usb hid used for currently? |
| 15:03:33 | gevaerts | tmzt: testing :) |
| 15:03:53 | tmzt | wheel or whatever work as buttons? |
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| 15:05:42 | gevaerts | yes. Also a better-working "dummy" driver |
| 15:05:45 | mcuelenaere | tmzt: Rockbox's coolness factor ;) |
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| 15:08:08 | tmzt | would it be possible/pratical to make fm radio work through usb (as sound card)? |
| 15:08:53 | gevaerts | yes, if someone does the work |
| 15:09:23 | Unhelpful | tmzt: it would be possible to do output over USB, either talking to a USB host and appearing to capture audio, or (only for those devices with host support) by talk to a USB audio device. but nobody has done it yet. |
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| 15:11:18 | tmzt | it requires iso support though, right? |
| 15:11:27 | gevaerts | it does, yes |
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| 15:13:40 | bertrik | tmzt, some targets now play radio by simply enabling an analog input channel of the codec, it needs to be digital to be sent over usb |
| 15:16:16 | n1s | bertrik: most targets can record radio though so they should be able to handle the A/D conversion fine |
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| 15:17:06 | tmzt | there are no wifi targets in progress? |
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| 15:18:17 | tmzt | Im only asking because one way to test an IP stack is usb cdc-ethernet driver |
| 15:18:20 | tmzt | (client) |
| 15:19:34 | Unhelpful | "This page served by RockWEB" :D |
| 15:19:39 | gevaerts | you don't need wifi for that |
| 15:19:57 | tmzt | yes, but it wouldn't be a practical result for the effort without it |
| 15:20:07 | tmzt | to add an IP stack to rockbox I mean |
| 15:20:51 | gevaerts | What's the relation between a device-side cdc-ethernet implementation and wifi anyway? |
| 15:21:33 | tmzt | what I just said. why have an ip stack if you don't have a target that needs it to implement an integral hardware feature |
| 15:21:40 | tmzt | iPod Touch, Zune, etc. |
| 15:22:05 | gevaerts | do they use device-side USB for wifi? |
| 15:23:16 | mcuelenaere | hmm usb_hid_send_consumer_usage() seems to be called but usb_hid_try_send_drv() not.. |
| 15:24:40 | Unhelpful | tmzt: you assume that a USB stack, and cdc-ethernet, would not be useful. you could run them both in a plugin, if they're not deemed useful in core, and serve files while playback continues. |
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| 15:26:42 | tmzt | it's more of a question of the effort required. I understand why rockbox is not linux (kernel) based, but I also know that a lot of effort has gone into existing stacks and have no idea how to integrate one into a small os like rockbox |
| 15:27:16 | tmzt | I mean I don't know what the effort required would be |
| 15:28:03 | gevaerts | it should be doable, with stacks like lwip |
| 15:28:10 | tmzt | I also think they would be useful, for a podcast client, sending files to rockbox without using storage, etc. |
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| 15:29:02 | mcuelenaere | hmm somehow USB HID thinks it's not active while it is |
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| 15:30:16 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: check usb.c, and make sure usb_core_enable_driver() always enables HID. The debug entry basically doesn't work if usb.c handles enabling/disabling |
| 15:31:31 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: what I said is related to the USB HID driver itself (the active variable), not usb.C |
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| 15:33:06 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: ignore me. You get a proper config descriptor, so the enabling part is indeed fine |
| 15:33:49 | tmzt | gevaerts: I can't see where to enable these USB_ defines |
| 15:34:34 | mcuelenaere | tmzt: usb_core.h |
| 15:35:24 | tmzt | does serial enable a console of some type? |
| 15:35:29 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: if I add logf("USBHID: %d %d", active, length); on line 355 of usb_hid.c it always says active is 0, even though it should've only set it to true and never false.. |
| 15:35:41 | mcuelenaere | tmzt: it forwards logf() calls |
| 15:35:49 | tmzt | okay |
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| 15:45:16 | CIA-38 | New commit by gevaerts (r20976): Add HID related bits to the debug menu (work by Tomer Shalev) |
| 15:46:26 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: shouldn't those HID commands be in a separate menu |
| 15:46:28 | mcuelenaere | ?* |
| 15:46:53 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: they're not going to stay forever |
| 15:47:15 | gevaerts | but as long as the apps/screens.c bit isn't committed, this is the only way to actually test anything |
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| 15:55:32 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: do the various init functions get called correctly? |
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| 15:59:57 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: yes they do, that's why it looks so weird to me |
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| 16:00:15 | mcuelenaere | I even commented the singe active=false; statement out and it still has value 0 |
| 16:00:36 | mcuelenaere | I commented the memset() calls out, but that gave me exceptions |
| 16:04:53 | gevaerts | weird |
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| 16:14:37 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: maybe remove all active checking to see if that changes anything |
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| 16:15:29 | mcuelenaere | yes that fixes it, but it doesn't make interrupt endpoints work apparantly |
| 16:15:37 | mcuelenaere | (and it isn't a real 'fix') |
| 16:15:54 | gevaerts | indeed not, but it may help find more hints |
| 16:16:35 | mcuelenaere | btw there's only one check, and that's this one in usb_hid_queue() |
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| 16:50:23 | CIA-38 | New commit by bertrik (r20977): Fix duplicate #includes |
| 16:51:51 | mcuelenaere | hmm usbmon seems to indicate interrupt endpoints work |
| 16:52:01 | bertrik | I was just trying to do a test-build of the archos recorder v2 and I get a "region PLUGIN_RAM is full" during link of text_editor |
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| 16:54:57 | bertrik | hm, now I don't anymore, never mind |
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| 17:10:25 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: what FIFO size does the interrupt endpoint is supposed to have? (64bytes?) |
| 17:15:24 | dfkt | i think i found a bug with WPS tags - http://pastie.org/480773 |
| 17:15:45 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: it apparently sets a maxpacketsize of 8 bytes |
| 17:15:55 | Lss | question. will the 240gig ipod harddisk be compatible with rockbox? |
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| 17:19:09 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: hmm how is the usb driver supposed to know this? |
| 17:20:35 | gevaerts | hm, actually usb-drv-arc.c doesn't handle this properly either. It tells the hardware to use 512 |
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| 17:22:27 | mcuelenaere | according to the datasheet: The value written to bits 10:0 (multiplied by m in the case of high-bandwidth Isochronous transfers) must match the value given in the wMaxPacketSize field of the Standard Endpoint Descriptor for the associated endpoint (see USB Specification Revision 2.0, Chapter 9). A mismatch could cause unexpected results. |
| 17:24:01 | gevaerts | I guess we have to extend usb_drv_request_endpoint() to pass the required endpoint size. That means of course that the class drivers need to know the connection speed... |
| 17:24:38 | mcuelenaere | isn't that just a usb_drv_port_speed() call? |
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| 17:25:45 | gevaerts | it should be just that, yes. |
| 17:26:50 | mcuelenaere | hmm it seems to work even though I set the endpoint size to 64 |
| 17:28:33 | gevaerts | it probably works fine until for whatever reason the driver tries to send more |
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| 17:30:29 | juane414 | does anyone know if it is possible to have one viewport turn off when another viewport turns on? |
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| 17:34:21 | MarcGuay__ | juane414: Have whatever turns the viewport on turn the other one off? |
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| 17:35:12 | juane414 | well I'm trying to get one viewport to be visible during the first 50% of song progress and the other visible during the last 50% of the song... any ideas? |
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| 17:35:44 | AlexP | just use the percentage conditional (i forget what it is as %?xx<viewporta|viewportb> |
| 17:35:46 | gevaerts | that doesn't sound too hard |
| 17:36:05 | juane414 | oh duh |
| 17:36:12 | juane414 | that makes perfect sense thanks Alex |
| 17:36:35 | juane414 | might have my wps available for testing later tonight :) |
| 17:37:12 | AlexP | %?px<%Vda|%Vdb> |
| 17:37:57 | juane414 | AlexP: thanks man appreciate it |
| 17:38:04 | AlexP | no problem |
| 17:39:12 | juane414 | AlexP: one more thing, will it matter if my viewport Vda and Vdb are defined before or after that line? |
| 17:39:41 | AlexP | juane414: The wiki page says "The conditional viewport display tag must come before the preload tag. " |
| 17:39:55 | wpyh | FS #9456 updated. Please check and see if the new patch is acceptable. I've tested on iPod Video 30GB without any side effect. |
| 17:40:04 | juane414 | AlexP: figure that would be the case |
| 17:40:25 | AlexP | juane414: If it doesn't wotk you can always just move it :) |
| 17:40:28 | AlexP | *work |
| 17:41:08 | CIA-38 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r20978): Get interrupt endpoints fully working on Ingenic Jz4740 targets |
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| 17:59:47 | mcuelenaere | does a codec handle .wav files in Rockbox or do these files get treated differently? |
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| 18:03:01 | juane414 | AlexP: I tried doing the conditional viewport with %px and I got an error saying "enable VP:0" know what that means? |
| 18:03:01 | bighornram | Can I install rockbox on a sandisk view? |
| 18:03:40 | froggyman | bighornram: the front page is up to date |
| 18:04:47 | bighornram | Unfortunately the identification info for this sansa is as poor as it's OS!! All I find for model is a sansa view. no model number etc. |
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| 18:06:04 | juane414 | anyone know what "enable VP:0" means? |
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| 18:08:14 | froggyman | bighornram: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaView |
| 18:08:36 | CIA-38 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r20979): Don't define LOGF_ENABLE.. |
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| 18:10:43 | bighornram | Froggyman: thanks! |
| 18:11:30 | froggyman | bighornram: next time try searching the wiki, or google |
| 18:13:07 | bighornram | froggyman: have been for hours |
| 18:13:23 | bighornram | maybe I need more whiskey |
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| 18:32:12 | froggyman | are there plans on finishing all of the features on the calculator? |
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| 18:48:13 | n1s | froggyman noone has touched it for a long time so i wouldn't guess so |
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| 19:15:10 | AlexP | juane414: Do you want to pastebin your code? |
| 19:15:32 | juane414 | AlexP: actually I got it figured out |
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| 19:16:03 | AlexP | cool, just wrong order I suspect |
| 19:16:50 | juane414 | AlexP: I'm trying to get a dial to turn one click everytime the song runs another 7%... but I'm having trouble trying to figure out the needle for 50%... |
| 19:17:27 | juane414 | AlexP: I have a viewport for the images with the needle on the left of the dial and another viewport for the right side... can't figure out what to do for the middle %50 spot |
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| 19:18:18 | AlexP | Why do you need to split them? |
| 19:19:05 | AlexP | Why not just have the %?px conditional display a different image for the needle for each step? |
| 19:19:22 | AlexP | The dial would be part of the background and always there |
| 19:19:51 | juane414 | that's exactly what I have |
| 19:20:07 | juane414 | well |
| 19:20:20 | juane414 | i split it up into 2 viewports to save image buffer |
| 19:20:31 | AlexP | I don't think that makes any difference |
| 19:20:41 | AlexP | The image buffer is just the size it is |
| 19:20:49 | AlexP | All used images have to be preloaded anyway |
| 19:21:16 | gevaerts | AlexP: you can still save buffer this way |
| 19:21:24 | AlexP | can you? |
| 19:21:30 | AlexP | gevaerts: How does that work? |
| 19:21:34 | juane414 | well if the needle is only in the top right 90% of the circle why waste the other 270%? |
| 19:21:47 | juane414 | that's a lot of wasted pixels right? |
| 19:22:00 | AlexP | You don't waste the rest if the image for the needle is only the size it needs to be |
| 19:22:19 | gevaerts | AlexP: that only works with nice square needles |
| 19:22:34 | AlexP | I'm not getting how viewports helps here |
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| 19:23:00 | AlexP | You have to display the same needle image no matter what viewport it is in |
| 19:23:28 | juane414 | the needle changes angle though, like on a clock, so the .bmp is different each time |
| 19:23:34 | gevaerts | AlexP: gevaerts/test.zip">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/test.zip has a nice example of how splitting can help |
| 19:23:35 | AlexP | yes |
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| 19:24:17 | gevaerts | and yes, I ran into buffer limits while working on that :) |
| 19:24:26 | AlexP | juane414: yes, I know - I still don't get how it helps which viewport you put that bmp in |
| 19:24:38 | AlexP | But give me a moment to look at gevaerts' example |
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| 19:32:10 | juane414 | isn't there a limit to how many pixels can be loaded into memory? |
| 19:32:23 | gevaerts | there is |
| 19:33:53 | juane414 | so it would make sense to have twelve 60x60 images split between two viewports rather than twelve 120x60 images with one viewport right? |
| 19:34:14 | gevaerts | exactly |
| 19:34:51 | gevaerts | Of course depending on the exact shape of what you're showing you could have some of them even smaller |
| 19:34:54 | juane414 | the alternative would be to crop the needle rather than having a mapped .bmp list, but then i would have to screw with all of those coordinates... |
| 19:35:13 | gevaerts | but that can get tricky |
| 19:35:16 | juane414 | but it would save more pixels |
| 19:36:07 | juane414 | well, i would say time consuming... not really all that tricky |
| 19:36:13 | AlexP | gevaerts: I see what you have done there - I think the problem is that I was picturing juane414's needle differently |
| 19:36:34 | AlexP | but yes, I see what you mean now |
| 19:36:43 | gevaerts | AlexP: his is probably different, but I think it's the same sort of problem |
| 19:36:58 | juane414 | my .wps is basically going to end up looking like a car dashboard |
| 19:37:02 | gevaerts | I also split to be able to have more than 52 effective values |
| 19:37:35 | AlexP | juane414: In this case for your 50% one, you could just have one additional needle image for the inbetween case |
| 19:38:02 | juane414 | I've considered that but which viewport would it go in? |
| 19:38:34 | juane414 | it will throw off my balance so that one viewport with get 6 images and another 7 |
| 19:38:50 | juane414 | so the percentages will be thrown off and the needle movements won't be consistent |
| 19:38:54 | AlexP | juane414: You could have another small one |
| 19:39:03 | AlexP | If the viewports are conditional anyway |
| 19:39:08 | juane414 | I didn't think about that |
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| 19:39:19 | juane414 | I could just add a 3rd viewport for that one image |
| 19:41:31 | AlexP | juane414: What player is this for incidently? |
| 19:41:40 | juane414 | ipod video |
| 19:41:58 | AlexP | damn, I won't be trying it then :) |
| 19:42:15 | juane414 | what do you have? |
| 19:43:15 | juane414 | AlexP: you'd be more than welcome to try and port it for your player |
| 19:43:20 | AlexP | a few, but not that (Gigabeat S120, gigabeat F60, iriver h140, sanse e260, sansa c240, Meizu M3 and ATMT MP170) |
| 19:43:34 | AlexP | juane414: I'll wait and see it first :) |
| 19:44:48 | juane414 | AlexP: well this needle thing is going to take me ages :) |
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| 19:45:32 | juane414 | AlexP: If I add a third conditional viewport I would then have them split into thirds... so I would have to divide my images into three mapped lists... correct? |
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| 19:46:19 | gevaerts | if I understand what you're doing correctly, three could be a pain (unless of course you can then ignore the middle bit... |
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| 19:47:37 | AlexP | juane414: The way I imagine it (but it is hard to know without seeing the images) is that you have two that cover each half, and a third that covers the middle slice (and therefore overlaps a bit of each the other. As long as they are conditional so that the overlapping ones aren't displayed at the same time, it might work |
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| 19:49:30 | juane414 | AlexP: well I might revert back to that method, but for now I'm going to try cropping each needle image individually... I'll have to abandon the nice mapped lists and mess with lots of coordinates but I think it will work better |
| 19:49:41 | AlexP | good luck :) |
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| 19:53:22 | juane414 | AlexP: I think I'll need it |
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| 20:31:31 | juane414 | AlexP: got it to work... pain in the arse, gotta go to bed so I'll have to work on it more tomorrow |
| 20:32:06 | kugel | mt: what's bad with a pointer-to-pointer parameter? |
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| 21:15:57 | gevaerts | tomers: I think we need to add maxpacketsize to usb_drb_request_endpoint(), so the driver can set up the hardware correctly. That means that the class drivers need to get the connection speed of course, but that shouldn't be a problem |
| 21:16:05 | gevaerts | Any thoughts? |
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| 21:41:36 | kugel | saratoga: Why's rbutil required now? |
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| 21:42:57 | saratoga | kugel: i thought we agreed it was required for an AMS launch? |
| 21:43:05 | kugel | Where? |
| 21:43:28 | kugel | Didn't we talk about it a few days ago? Llorean said it was required but no-one else seemed to agree with him |
| 21:44:01 | kugel | And I don't think a "AMS launch" should be different from any other launch |
| 21:45:04 | Llorean | kugel: I didn't say it was required |
| 21:45:08 | Llorean | I said I think it SHOULD be required. |
| 21:46:12 | saratoga | kugel: i distinctly remember you saying you didn't want to release without rbutil |
| 21:46:33 | kugel | I never said that |
| 21:46:48 | kugel | that's not my opinion at all |
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| 21:47:15 | bluebrother | what's the state of mkamsboot anyway? |
| 21:48:11 | kugel | domonoky has a patch which makes it possible to compile it as a lib, that's all AFAIR |
| 21:48:28 | kugel | mkamsboot is a sane tool nevertheless |
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| 21:49:14 | domonoky | bluebrother, kugel: rbutil can install ams bootloader with this patch, but it needs more cleanup (especially the mkamstool part) |
| 21:49:22 | bluebrother | please define "sane". Is it user-proof similar to ipodpatcher? |
| 21:49:56 | kugel | I'd say so |
| 21:50:28 | bluebrother | and why don't we use it for end-user installation already? I.e. provide binaries for all major OS? |
| 21:50:46 | kugel | it checks the OF (per md5 sum and header), checks the bootloader (so that the model fits) and checks if the inserted bootloader won't exceed our max size |
| 21:50:56 | domonoky | because the ams targets are still not ready ? |
| 21:51:07 | domonoky | its not only rbutil support missing.. |
| 21:51:10 | Llorean | mkamsboot isn't as user friendly as ipodpatcher |
| 21:51:16 | Llorean | It still requires several parameters, doesn't it? |
| 21:51:46 | bluebrother | well, if an ipodpatcher-like bootloader installation is available and fool proof enough we can already go and create binaries from that and distribute them. |
| 21:51:56 | * | domonoky thinks mkamsboot is as userfriendly as needed. more comfortable installation will be done in rbutil :-) |
| 21:52:00 | bluebrother | that way we might get more testers for the AMS ports. |
| 21:52:03 | * | kugel agrees |
| 21:52:23 | kugel | with domonoky |
| 21:52:26 | * | bluebrother thinks a command line tool similar to ipodpatcher would be good. Not all users can / want to install using a GUI tool |
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| 21:52:41 | Llorean | bluebrother: It's more like the old pre-ipodpatcher install process. |
| 21:52:50 | saratoga | kugel: you're right you said you wanted rbutil for 3.3 support, not for a release |
| 21:52:54 | bluebrother | Llorean: the ipod_fw one? Urgh. |
| 21:53:08 | domonoky | bluebrother: sure, mkamsboot will stay for non-gui people, as we do with the other targets. |
| 21:53:16 | Llorean | bluebrother: It's not *quite* as bad, but you still need to have several files, invoke the program pointing at them, etc. |
| 21:53:34 | bluebrother | that's nothing I'd consider good enough for end users using a cli tool |
| 21:53:43 | kugel | saratoga: yes, if anything, then I said that rbutil support for a release (as in go with 3.x Rockbox releases), but not for putting it to "supported" |
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| 21:54:18 | saratoga | i dont' think we should provide binaries for AMS until at least funman tells us if that file system corruption problem he thought he found is fixed or not |
| 21:54:23 | domonoky | Llorean: it mkamsboot can not behave the same as ipodpatcher. we patch a OF and not the disc. |
| 21:54:28 | domonoky | - it |
| 21:54:53 | bluebrother | domonoky: well, you could make it look for an OF file. The filename is know, so it can look for it in the same folder. |
| 21:54:54 | Llorean | domonoky: This is true, but we can still reduce the number of parameters to the point where we can tell users "run mkamsboot in the same folder as (OF filename)" |
| 21:55:03 | Llorean | So that they could even put the two in the same folder and double click it |
| 21:55:04 | * | domonoky is with saragota, we first need to fix the serious problems. |
| 21:55:11 | kugel | if we distinguish between supported and released, then I don't care about rbutil for a release. But I think we should not require rbutil for initially supporting a target (as in proving links, binaries, installation howto's etc) |
| 21:55:31 | Llorean | kugel: Right now our policy is that all supported targets get releases. |
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| 21:55:35 | Llorean | So we don't distinguish between them. |
| 21:55:52 | bluebrother | a release doesn't depend on support in rbutil. |
| 21:56:03 | kugel | Ok, then I don't want rbutil to be a requirement |
| 21:56:09 | Llorean | bluebrother: I feel it should going forward, for new targets (unless support is impossible) |
| 21:56:10 | bluebrother | it's something we should try to accomplish, though. |
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| 21:56:37 | Llorean | bluebrother: If support is possible, there should be a strong incentive for it. I don't want future ports to be split into "user friendly" and "not user friendly" subcategories. |
| 21:56:40 | domonoky | yes, but for supported, we need to fix the bad bugs, and release the bootloader. rbutil and better installation and release can come later |
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| 21:57:05 | Llorean | domonoky: Right now "release" is the same as "supported", though. We release supported targets every three months. That's the problem. |
| 21:57:20 | kugel | who defines that rbutil support is possible? The rbutil devs that don't own the targets in question, or the target devs that have no idea of rbutil and its code at all? |
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| 21:57:29 | domonoky | Llorean: i can remember times, where we had supported but not released targets.. why not do this again ? |
| 21:57:32 | saratoga | some way to make it easier for other people to help with rbutil would be nice, maybe a wiki page explaining whats needed from a program like mkamsboot to be easily integreated into rbutil |
| 21:57:38 | bluebrother | Llorean: sure. This doesn't mean that it will be done in time with a release ;-) |
| 21:57:48 | Llorean | domonoky: We could do this again, yes. But we chose not to with the beginning of the 3.0 releases |
| 21:57:48 | domonoky | kugel: its always possible :-) |
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| 21:58:09 | Llorean | domonoky: It may be impossible in a practical sense due to, for example, lack of libraries on one OS |
| 21:58:12 | bluebrother | kugel: why should support be impossible? |
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| 21:58:37 | domonoky | and AMS support in rbutil is nearly ready. so its no question for this targets :-) |
| 21:58:39 | bluebrother | Llorean: what are you thinking about? beastpatcher? |
| 21:58:44 | kugel | Why's e200r still unsupported then? |
| 21:58:52 | Llorean | bluebrother: And similar. |
| 21:58:59 | saratoga | i think its supported we just didn't do a release for it |
| 21:59:11 | kugel | apparently nobody can do the e200r support right know. And this will be the case for future targets too |
| 21:59:26 | Llorean | kugel: Possibly because certain people who worked on it stopped working as soon as it became a supported target, since rbutil wasn't a barrier for "supported" status? |
| 21:59:28 | bluebrother | and which targets if I may ask? |
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| 22:00:14 | domonoky | kugel: thats not correct. you have to change a e200r to a e200 player, thats the only thing we havent automated. (not only because its hard, but because noone is interested) |
| 22:00:35 | saratoga | i thought the problem with rbutil support for the e200r was that you had to hack up the windows drivers for it to work, hard to imagine we could automate that |
| 22:00:58 | bluebrother | the other problem with e200r is the driver issue on windows. It's still doable, but it would require a _lot_ of work |
| 22:01:11 | domonoky | saratoga: thats not really a problem, you can backup and install drivers without problems.. remeber what setups can do :-) |
| 22:01:20 | bluebrother | you need to install libusb on windows plus the inf for the filter driver. |
| 22:01:45 | bluebrother | which means windows installer stuff. At least I have no idea about such things (apart from knowing that it is possible) |
| 22:01:48 | domonoky | yes, its hard. but not impossible |
| 22:02:16 | bluebrother | another problem is that the e200r isn't very common, and to develop an installer one kinda needs access to the player |
| 22:02:17 | domonoky | but the real problem is, that noone in |
| 22:02:27 | domonoky | is interested in it |
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| 22:04:12 | saratoga | ok so we agree we need a final bootloader, MMU, and no disk issues for AMS support |
| 22:04:33 | * | kugel can wholeheartedly agree with that |
| 22:04:36 | saratoga | we could do the bootloader now, but it might change for either the MMU or disk issue |
| 22:04:47 | domonoky | jup, everything else can come afterwards. |
| 22:05:01 | kugel | there's little point in pushing the bootloader if the other requirements aren't met |
| 22:05:21 | saratoga | yeah its so well tested at this point it'll just be a formality |
| 22:06:23 | bluebrother | there's one point in a release: if you direct interested users to using exactly that bootloader you definitely know it isn't broken by a later change. |
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| 22:07:18 | * | kugel would still like to compile the bootloader into mkamsboot, and possibly patch the OF in-place |
| 22:08:35 | domonoky | kugel: embedding the bootloader into mkamsboot is possible (like it is done with ipod/sansapatcher) but needs to be optional (rbutil always downloads the bootloader) |
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| 22:09:00 | kugel | domonoky: sure, optional. |
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| 22:49:36 | pixelma | kugel: I have doubts re. the restart buttons on Ondio and Player: on Ondio, I *think* you will rather quit instead of restart half of the times now if you don't check for pre conditions - and I *believe* that on the Player there are some button combs which are not possible, electrically (I'm not sure and wouldn't know which) |
| 22:50:43 | pixelma | the latter is not simulated but you could check the first in a sim |
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| 23:02:37 | kugel | pixelma: I checked in a sim, and found it fine |
| 23:02:51 | kugel | quitting instead of restarting isn't really an issue imo |
| 23:03:05 | kugel | you can reenter and try again :) |
| 23:03:24 | pixelma | how fun... |
| 23:03:27 | kugel | on the ondio I found it particularly ok |
| 23:03:36 | kugel | pixelma: well, better than no restart at all? |
| 23:04:11 | pixelma | I don't have anything against restart but you could code it so that it works reliably |
| 23:04:43 | kugel | why should you be quitting instead of restarting? |
| 23:05:16 | kugel | feel free to improve.. |
| 23:06:05 | kugel | I found the combos I used quite good in the sims |
| 23:06:08 | pixelma | quit is mapped to the simple Off button, restart is now mapped to Off+Menu |
| 23:06:17 | kugel | right |
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| 23:08:33 | pixelma | it's not quite the same as in the sim, because the placing of the buttons is a bit different. The players' drawings give a bit of an overview. |
| 23:08:43 | pixelma | in the manual |
| 23:09:00 | pixelma | or even the sim background |
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| 23:09:56 | kugel | I don't understand |
| 23:10:20 | kugel | if you think there can be better restart buttons/combos then I'm not saying anything against. |
| 23:11:57 | pixelma | just a general statement that te impression of a button combo's usability can differ between sim and target because of the physical placement of buttons |
| 23:12:31 | kugel | the off button is in the top, right? |
| 23:12:39 | pixelma | yes |
| 23:12:41 | kugel | (for ondio), i.e. not on the front |
| 23:12:58 | kugel | that's how I saw it in the sim |
| 23:15:56 | pixelma | but the off button in the sim is not on the top side of your keyboard, I guess ;) |
| 23:17:43 | kugel | yes, but I imagined that the combo is still doable |
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| 23:20:41 | pixelma | doable but maybe not as easy as in the sim (you probably have to do it two-handedly). It's actually not my main point but I don't want to discuss further without doing some "homework" on it first |
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| 23:33:32 | CIA-38 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r20980): Make it possible to exit from the WPS on the Onda VX747 |
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| 23:46:39 | mcuelenaere | tomers (logs): any idea why I need to comment lines 356-357 in usb_hid.c out to get USB HID to work? (Rockbox SVN) |
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