00:01:08 | bertrik | I think for this to work you also need to check all the bits for less than half full |
00:01:34 | kugel | the's only empty and almost empty after it |
00:01:45 | kugel | check for empty too didn't help |
00:02:10 | kugel | i.e. "while ((DBOP_STAT & (1<<8)) == 0) && ((DBOP_STAT & (1<<10)) == 0);" |
00:02:36 | bertrik | funman, a 200kB mp3 says "125.05 MHz needed for" |
00:03:42 | funman | still a lot |
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00:03:50 | kugel | that's what I'm getting too on my fuze |
00:04:05 | kugel | 200% realtime is an improvement though |
00:05:07 | kugel | hm, was 145MHz for realtime before |
00:05:23 | kugel | if that was a test_codec number, I confused the numbers :( |
00:05:36 | kugel | but still, async vs sync makes up 20MHz |
00:05:59 | bertrik | the mp3 seems to take less than 10% boost in the buffering thread debug screen |
00:06:02 | kugel | or is that that we don't go below 64MHz anymore? |
00:06:07 | funman | now to find why enabling caches makes things go bad :) |
00:07:59 | * | Hillshum thought all this clocking stuff was to figure out the problem with caching |
00:08:28 | funman | to _help_ figuring out |
00:09:47 | kugel | and to make things go smoother while we're not there :) |
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00:10:26 | bertrik | I wonder if we can configure the clip display controller to allow all data in an lcd_update to be written in a single block instead of line-by-line |
00:10:26 | kugel | the lcd update rate about doubled by the dbop change. That means bubbles is playable now |
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00:11:40 | * | Hillshum has been playing bubbles for months on e200v2 |
00:13:00 | kugel | it was really slow on the fuze IIRC |
00:13:58 | kugel | bertrik: no sucess with waiting for fifo half or almost empty :( |
00:16:50 | funman | bertrik: do you have the datasheet of the controller ? |
00:17:04 | bertrik | funman, yes |
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00:19:14 | kugel | Hillshum: what is with your scrollwheel? |
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00:20:10 | Hillshum | Something with the hardware I think, as the OF is just as bad. |
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00:21:23 | Hillshum | pretty sure it's the part of the spinning assembly that touches the bit on the PCB |
00:22:33 | Hillshum | those wires are out of wack I think |
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00:23:03 | Hillshum | and the metal ring that holds it on it a bit bent |
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00:23:48 | kugel | Hillshum: It may just be some dirt or dust, I've had a weird wheel too for some time on my v1 |
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00:24:07 | Hillshum | I might get some compressed air |
00:24:14 | kugel | after that time, the wheel was just as fine as before (and it still is after 2.5 years) |
00:24:39 | Hillshum | do you know how picky the wire contacts are? |
00:24:49 | kugel | no |
00:25:28 | kugel | i've only opened it once to do this http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29155 |
00:25:41 | kugel | the dust went away from alone |
00:26:46 | Hillshum | I did that, made the problem worse |
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00:28:14 | safetydan | mcuelenaere: dlmalloc seemed to be good at keeping fragmentation down which seemed important for a gc'd language like lua |
00:28:50 | funman | note : when using caching on my fuze, i see the number of pcmbufdesc decrease rapidly before playback stops |
00:28:51 | safetydan | mcuelenaere: but it was mostly that it's one of the first hits for "malloc implementation" in google :) |
00:29:48 | mcuelenaere | heh :) well I suppose we would need to compare dlmalloc against dbestfit |
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00:34:08 | safetydan | dbestfit seems like it's easier to understand at least |
00:35:43 | mcuelenaere | hmm does Rockbox have software volume control? (not the equalizer precut) |
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00:42:10 | funman | that means pcmbuf_size is 0 , no data is being decoded : probably a problem in the codec |
00:42:33 | kugel | grml |
00:42:37 | kugel | no speedup anymore in svn |
00:42:55 | kugel | it's generally slower then before, even at 65MHz pclk |
00:43:24 | kugel | funman: I somehow doubt the problem is with the apps/ code |
00:43:40 | kugel | other similar targets use caches just fine with that code |
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00:45:12 | funman | kugel: i meant probably a problem in the codec execution, caused by some incorrect handling of caches |
00:46:36 | FrankTM | i'm not sure weather i should ask this here: |
00:46:50 | FrankTM | how is sansa fuze support comming allong? |
00:48:09 | Llorean | FrankTM: Have you read the related wiki page and thread in the forum? We really ask people don't ask for status updates on in-progress ports, but just follow along in the posted stuff. |
00:48:36 | FrankTM | well.. i'm a bit confused |
00:48:41 | FrankTM | mainly by the wiki |
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00:49:00 | FrankTM | i pretty much read all in this thread too: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42195 |
00:49:23 | Llorean | FrankTM: Did you have a specific question about the page in the wiki, or the thread on *our* forum, not a third party one? |
00:50:12 | FrankTM | well.. what i've found is not quite consistant |
00:50:37 | FrankTM | i understand support isn't 100% yet |
00:51:24 | FrankTM | but i'm not sure how i can try current progress |
00:51:36 | Llorean | There are instructions for compiling Rockbox in the wiki. |
00:51:49 | Llorean | And there are installation instructions for the various in-progress AMS ports in the wiki as well. |
00:52:14 | FrankTM | yes. i've succesfully compiled the svn version |
00:52:38 | FrankTM | but i'm not sure how to get the boatloader working |
00:53:04 | FrankTM | i feel like a total noob all over again :p |
00:53:16 | Llorean | Bootloader. And as I said, there are instructions in the wiki for the SansaAMS port. Are you getting stuck at a specific part? |
00:54:31 | FrankTM | i got stuck with mkamsboot |
00:54:49 | FrankTM | it was complaining about original firmware |
00:55:18 | Llorean | You may need to try a different version of the original firmware file, then. |
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00:55:35 | FrankTM | i don't know how to obtain that |
00:57:33 | Llorean | No clue there. You may want to read the thread on the forum, see if it talks about where to get old updates for the player |
00:57:52 | CIA-38 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r21097): Fix audio on Onda VX747 |
00:58:28 | lucent | FrankTM: are you running SVN? |
00:58:42 | Mikachu | 00:52:13 <FrankTM> yes. i've succesfully compiled the svn version |
00:58:59 | lucent | har. I meant to infer, which SVN revision? |
00:59:07 | kugel | funman: maybe a thread switching problem? |
00:59:15 | Llorean | lucent: As he's said, he can't run Rockbox yet. |
00:59:16 | FrankTM | lucent: pretty much latest |
00:59:17 | Mikachu | i think you mean "imply", infer is what we woul do |
00:59:21 | FrankTM | updated yesterday |
00:59:22 | kugel | does initializing the database work? |
00:59:43 | Llorean | FrankTM: Please always answer "which version" with an actual number. It updates pretty regularly, so anything else is more or less useless. |
00:59:58 | funman | kugel: from what I see, using correctly the cache coherency functions in the SD driver shows corruption (visible in the wps), while using a buffer in uncached memory shows no wps corruption, but test_disk fails |
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01:00:10 | lucent | FrankTM: if you're okay maybe we should chat in privmsg |
01:00:16 | FrankTM | lucent: sure :) |
01:00:34 | FrankTM | Llorean: i was still booting my laptop to get to that info ;) |
01:00:37 | funman | kugel: yup database work |
01:00:45 | FrankTM | but you're right :) |
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01:02:31 | kugel | funman: does mirror'ing the sections for unbuffered help? |
01:02:38 | funman | what do you mean? |
01:03:27 | kugel | well, map the iram & ram somewhere else with CACHE_NONE |
01:03:36 | kugel | and use that for file transfers |
01:04:01 | kugel | (or map the chached ones to somewhere else, since dma needs physical addresses) |
01:04:10 | funman | that's what i meant by uncached |
01:04:23 | kugel | oh, I read that wrong |
01:04:32 | kugel | sorry |
01:04:41 | funman | i memcpy the data to/from the uncached location before/after dma transfer, and use physical address for DMA peripheral |
01:04:43 | kugel | playback also fails with that? |
01:05:09 | funman | yes, i can hear some seconds of perfectly fine audio |
01:05:33 | kugel | why do you memcpy? |
01:05:46 | funman | to be sure that the data in memory is up to date |
01:06:11 | kugel | the memory is always up-to-date, isn't it? the caches aren't |
01:06:12 | funman | since i read from an uncached location there is no cache lookup |
01:07:07 | funman | kugel: for example if I do int *i = some_ptr; i=1; // the data at memory location "some_ptr" could be any value, and the value "1" be in the cache, waiting to be written back to memory |
01:07:52 | funman | if then i do a = *i; // the cache will be checked if it contains the content of "some_ptr", and else fall back to reading the memory |
01:07:55 | kugel | yes, that's how I understood it, but then you don't memcpy but do invalidate/flush cache, not? |
01:08:02 | funman | no |
01:08:26 | funman | if i do that i clearly see wps corruption which i think means corruption in transfer |
01:08:49 | funman | hum i forgot to check if the sd driver doesn't go into an infinite "retry" loop ... |
01:10:09 | kugel | hm, but invalidate/flush cache instead of memcpy'ing *should* be correct (although it doesn't work), or am I understanding it wrong? |
01:10:54 | funman | both technics should be correct |
01:11:10 | funman | perhaps i am not looking in the right direction then |
01:11:57 | funman | and different results in sd driver using both ways should then indicate a problem in sd code .. |
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01:13:38 | funman | well i see occasional errors but not continuous ones |
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01:17:55 | funman | kugel: my diff is at FS #10048 |
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01:23:58 | kugel | mcuelenaere: "fix audio"? since when does audio work? |
01:24:12 | mcuelenaere | kugel: it had PCM buffering issues |
01:24:30 | mcuelenaere | e.g. it played audio, but it didn't do it very well (stuttering etc) |
01:24:44 | kugel | and what's the status now? |
01:24:49 | mcuelenaere | it works :) |
01:25:13 | kugel | hmm, it seems I missed the gentlemen mail |
01:26:37 | mcuelenaere | kugel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GentlemenMails |
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01:29:12 | CIA-38 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r21098): Fix yellow |
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01:38:37 | JdGordon| | kugel: still around? |
01:40:01 | kugel | a bit yes |
01:41:38 | JdGordon| | how much of custom vp is there to do? |
01:42:23 | JdGordon| | or... can you wack up a diff so i can maybe finish it off tonight? |
01:46:56 | kugel | I can give you my current progress |
01:47:47 | kugel | btw, what's needed to get the wps updated in the background regularly? some sort of tick task? |
01:49:30 | JdGordon| | nothing new... the viewportmanager was designed origionally to do this |
01:49:36 | JdGordon| | 1 extra call in the redraw func |
01:49:47 | kugel | JdGordon|: mostly fixing plugins and splashes (and debug screen) is needed, but that's only a part of finding the problematic places |
01:50:23 | kugel | I was thinking of going a similar route for plugins as done with the statusbar for now (as in, if that's going in prior to 3.3) |
01:50:39 | kugel | well, the actionupdate event, right? |
01:51:08 | kugel | that's only active with the statusbars (at least in svn), and I think I removed that in my local patch |
01:51:33 | JdGordon| | that can be fixed |
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01:52:04 | kugel | I mean I removed that it's being an event, not the actual call to the redraw function |
01:52:52 | kugel | I'll upload it shortly, you're welcome if you want to get your hands on it |
01:53:06 | kugel | but I'm not even sure if I left it in a working state :S |
01:53:30 | * | kugel needs to boot into linux for that :( |
01:54:53 | FrankTM | i've got my first working rockbox \o/ |
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01:56:33 | JdGordon| | kugel: ok |
01:57:23 | JdGordon| | for plugins, we should continue putting them in a known state, i.e have the custom vp disabled when they start and reenable it after they exit |
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02:02:50 | saratoga | oddly enough the AMS website says the AS3525 clocks at 266MHz rather then 250MHz |
02:03:34 | kugel | really? |
02:03:42 | kugel | the datasheet says 250 though, right? |
02:03:51 | kugel | I run it successfully at 260 |
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02:04:32 | saratoga | "AS3525 is based on the ARM922 processor, with 16kB cache memories and embedded 320K Byte SRAM with performance from 20 ~ 266MHz." |
02:04:41 | saratoga | hmm though they also say 250MHz on the same page |
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03:18:39 | JdGordon | not yet |
03:18:43 | JdGordon | after dinner |
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03:49:35 | reacocard | so, i just installed a default build of svn onto my sansa e200, and while the internal memory shows up using the new rockbox usb support, the microsdhc card does not. however, rockbox itself can see the microsdhc card, as can my computer when its in a card reader. is there any way I can fix this? |
03:50:25 | reacocard | my computer is running arch linux, and there isnt even a device for the card in fdisk -l |
03:51:28 | reacocard | dmesg doesnt show any errors either, so i assume the issue is not my computer :/ |
03:52:45 | JdGordon | I thought rockbox usb did show the microSD card... it might be an issue with puting it in while it was in usb already.. if oyu did that |
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03:53:16 | reacocard | nope, i put the sd card in before i connected the usb |
03:53:47 | reacocard | put it in, rockbox recognizes it fine, attache usb, computer doesnt see the card, remove usb, rockbox still sees the card :/ |
03:54:51 | * | Unhelpful wonders if perhaps FS #8628 (PF start from WPS context menu) should be revisited now |
03:54:55 | reacocard | funny thing is, i did at one potin have this working on some rather older code when you still had to explicitly enable support for it, but now it doesnt work :/ |
03:55:18 | reacocard | and i dont have the old build around to test with anymore :( |
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03:55:42 | lee321987 | Is there a command in RB lua script that does the equivilant of the RB "Copy" and "Paste" functions? |
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03:56:22 | lee321987 | *Is there a function |
03:56:50 | Unhelpful | also, i'm still seeing problems *somewhat* like FS #9135, though i think it's not quite the same. that one was about rebuild cache leaving stale cache items, but i think we can go one better and auto-rebuild... |
03:59:32 | Unhelpful | i think that 1) the "index" used in the filename should be the album's seek value, not its place in the sorted list - as i understand the former will not be changed by database operations other than delete/rebuild? |
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04:00:12 | JdGordon | Unhelpful: hook up PF in the core somehow.... that will realy win you friends :) |
04:00:55 | Unhelpful | 2) the path to the AA file, or a hash of it, or perhaps some hash of the mp3data, should go in the .pfraw (but not be loaded into the in-memory cache) |
04:01:28 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: but i'm not done fixing obvious bugs / stuff that bugged other devs until they made me promise to add it to my PF fixlist ;) |
04:03:38 | JdGordon | Unhelpful: are there any chances of having 2 AA images for each track? like a 100x100 one and a 50x50 one? |
04:03:47 | JdGordon | or can it be scaled up and down on the fly? |
04:04:42 | Unhelpful | PF has a fixed size it uses for display, and it doesn't use the "size tags" that WPS tries when searching. |
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04:05:36 | JdGordon | sorry, i changed topics... AA for the wps |
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04:06:21 | Unhelpful | ahhhh, yeah, i'd kind of like that in conjunction with WPS modes |
04:06:28 | reacocard | hm, same issue happens with a normal microsd as well as microsdhc, so thats not it :/ |
04:07:52 | JdGordon | reacocard: so you need to talk to gevaerts, who is (i presume) passed out right now.... |
04:08:12 | reacocard | JdGordon: kk, what time is he normally on? |
04:09:05 | JdGordon | during regular euro times... its about 3am his local... |
04:09:21 | reacocard | ok |
04:09:43 | reacocard | so probably tomorrow morning my time, will try to catch him then. |
04:09:44 | reacocard | thanks |
04:11:51 | reacocard | however, the usb hid support appears to be working well :D |
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04:24:46 | ashbringer | How does OGG play on the iPod 3G? The iPodStatus page is a bit conflicted; it says that it both "plays fine" and has "constant buffer underruns". Which is correct? |
04:26:20 | scorche|sh | assuming you mean vorbis, it should be fine |
04:29:08 | ashbringer | The wiki only says OGG. Does that refer to Vorbis? |
04:30:26 | scorche|sh | yes |
04:31:17 | ashbringer | Hm. that seems to be an odd ambiguity. Is there any plan to purge the term "OGG" from the wiki and change it to the correct audio codec? |
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04:31:34 | safetydan | that should probably be clearer yes since at least two formats are supported in Ogg containers |
04:32:04 | ashbringer | A lot could be supported; I've only seen one used in practice. |
04:34:05 | ashbringer | So if I put Rockbox on my 3G, though, OGG Vorbis would work fine with it, it seems? |
04:34:07 | Unhelpful | hrm. no, the result_seek value from tagcache does change... i could just name the files artist_album.pfraw, i suppose... |
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04:41:07 | reacocard | dammit i figured it out, kinda. apparently the sd card is exposed in a different manner, which is compiled out of my custom kernel. stock kernel sees both card and internal just fine |
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04:41:39 | reacocard | so i just need to figure out what option needs enabling and i should be set :) |
04:45:32 | Unhelpful | hrm... there's really no hand constant value associated with an album in tagcache? :/ |
04:46:37 | Unhelpful | handy. |
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05:00:04 | JdGordon | oh bugger |
05:00:17 | JdGordon | backgroudn WPS does have a problem with track changing |
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11:03:41 | sandhya | Hi, I've got an apple ipod nano and am looking to get it to play FLACs and in general, to get rid of the apple UI which I've never liked |
11:04:14 | Bagder | sandhya: if its the 1st gen you're lucky |
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11:25:29 | FrankTM | how do i boot the old firware on my device? |
11:25:46 | Llorean | FrankTM: Depends on your device, but it should be in the manual. |
11:26:44 | funman | if it's the fuze, keep left key pressed while booting |
11:27:19 | FrankTM | that worked |
11:28:01 | FrankTM | funman: thx |
11:31:22 | sandhya | Bagder: thanks... sorry for the delay in my reply.. had a sudden guest here. |
11:31:29 | sandhya | I think that it's a first gen nano |
11:31:56 | sandhya | Based on http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353#ipodnano it looks like one |
11:32:06 | sandhya | is there any way to confirm this? |
11:32:29 | sandhya | (why in hell can't they just write the name properly on the player? *grumble*) |
11:34:19 | kugel_ | I think left works for all AMSes but c200v2 |
11:34:32 | kugel_ | if the bootloader is up-to-date that is |
11:35:39 | Llorean | sandhya: RBUtil (the installer) will detect it if it's a supported iPod, so an easy test if you're still uncertain is just that. |
11:35:59 | sandhya | excellent :) |
11:36:08 | sandhya | is there a way to back up the current firmware on the ipod (and restore if need be)? |
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11:36:35 | Llorean | It doesn't overwrite anything, and is fully uninstallable |
11:40:33 | sandhya | great :) |
11:46:47 | sandhya | I downloaded the executable for linux (I'm on kubuntu jaunty).. The installer pops up a configuration utility and its autodetect feature says that it doesn't detect a device |
11:47:09 | sandhya | I mounted the ipod first |
11:49:10 | Llorean | What color is your iPod? |
11:49:23 | linuxstb | sandhya: Are you running rbutil as root (e.g. with sudo) ? |
11:49:40 | sandhya | Llorean: black |
11:49:55 | sandhya | linuxstb: nope.. should I do so? |
11:50:19 | linuxstb | Yes, it's needed for the bootloader installation. |
11:50:24 | sandhya | "Installing the bootloader portion of Rockbox requires you to have administrative (Windows) or root (Linux) rights. " |
11:50:29 | sandhya | I see - thanks |
11:52:14 | sandhya | "[INFO] Ipod found - 1st Generation Nano ("winpod") - /dev/sdb" :) |
11:53:07 | sandhya | I have an invalid symbol next to TTS engine |
11:53:26 | sandhya | is there a package that I should install? Anything recommended? |
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11:57:23 | sandhya | I found espeak in the repository |
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11:57:35 | sandhya | detected fine by the installer as well |
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11:59:29 | sandhya | installing ... (apologies for the running commentary, but it makes me feel better :) |
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12:00:25 | NyaX | hey, i have a problem with compiling the bootloader for the sansa e200 v2: "as: unrecognized option `-mcpu=arm9tdmi' " can anybody help me? |
12:02:15 | funman | did you build the cross compiler with rockboxdev.sh ? |
12:02:27 | NyaX | yes |
12:03:03 | funman | is the cross compiler in your path ? |
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12:21:24 | funman | NyaX: is the cross compiler in your path (arm-elf-gcc) ? |
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12:25:02 | NyaX | funman: do you mean this? in etc/profile: PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/sh/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:$PATH |
12:25:41 | funman | well just launch a terminal and type 'which arm-elf-gcc' |
12:26:12 | NyaX | i'm under windows, so should i launch cygwin? |
12:27:00 | NyaX | ok, i get this: /usr/bin/arm-elf-gcc |
12:28:09 | funman | it looks like you have another cross compiler installed, try removing this one from cygwin if you installed it from here |
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12:29:35 | NyaX | ok, i think i reinstall the whole thing (cygwin), because i dont't know where the compiler correct is located |
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12:32:56 | funman | by default it goes into /usr/local unless you change it |
12:33:30 | funman | try PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH and re-run configure |
12:34:42 | * | Torne hrms and seems to have found a way to make his player skip :( |
12:35:16 | Torne | denying the device disk IO (also known as jogging) while it's still loading the db/dir caches into ram |
12:35:24 | Torne | seems to make decoding skip even though there's lots of mp3 buffered |
12:35:45 | funman | Torne: perhaps too much time is spent in the ata driver? |
12:35:50 | Torne | possibly. |
12:35:57 | Torne | it's just slightly annoying |
12:36:14 | Torne | especially since my day seems to go "put on headphones, walk out of house, run for bus" :) |
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12:39:49 | salty-horse | can someone please close this bug as invalid? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10209 |
12:41:21 | funman | salty-horse: done |
12:41:27 | salty-horse | thanks |
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12:53:33 | NyaX | funman: ok now it says: /opt/arm/bin/arm-elf-gcc |
12:54:45 | funman | if it's where you installed it, then it's ok |
12:55:05 | NyaX | ok i think it works :) thanks :) |
12:55:30 | NyaX | build bootloaderfile, yes :) |
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13:15:32 | NyaX | ok now it says: "loading firmware, filme not found" but .rockbox is on the sansa |
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13:18:53 | sandhya | looks like the installation is successful on my nano |
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13:20:44 | sandhya | I get the rockbox UI when I start my ipod, but I can't see any text |
13:20:53 | sandhya | the fonts package was definitely installed during installation |
13:20:58 | sandhya | am i missing something else? |
13:21:47 | sandhya | To clarify, I see the menu icons and can navigate between them, but I do not see any text at all |
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13:23:41 | funman | sandhya: did you properly eject the player? |
13:23:43 | funman | NyaX: same |
13:23:52 | funman | is jabber notify for flyspray updates supposed to work ? |
13:24:47 | sandhya | funman: I used the device notifier to eject it and then did the menu reset by pressing menu + select |
13:27:09 | NyaX | funman: can't you start it too? |
13:27:30 | funman | sandhya: then i don't know sorry |
13:27:48 | funman | NyaX: checks if .rockbox/rockbox.sansa is present and has a correct size |
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13:29:02 | NyaX | funman: no, it's not there |
13:29:36 | sandhya | funman: but I think that you might be right.. when I load rockbox's installer again, I got a configuration error |
13:30:03 | sandhya | after entering the configuration screen and autodetecting.. when I clicked save, it gave me a mountpoint is not writeable error message |
13:30:20 | sandhya | which I presume indicates that the device was not ejected properly? |
13:31:02 | krazykit | or it means your user doesn't have write permissions to that directory |
13:31:25 | sandhya | I launched the installer via a sudo call |
13:34:15 | sandhya | chmod: changing permissions of `/media/MY IPOD/': Read-only file system |
13:34:31 | sandhya | drwxr-xr-x 7 sandhya root |
13:34:56 | sandhya | I get the error message when I launch the installer as user 'sandhya' as well |
13:34:59 | NyaX | funman: how can i get the file`? |
13:35:01 | funman | is hold switch on ? |
13:35:05 | funman | NyaX: build it! |
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13:44:29 | NyaX | sorry i cant find how i can create the file |
13:45:00 | FrankTM | how did you get the .rockbox stuff/ |
13:45:01 | FrankTM | ? |
13:46:10 | NyaX | i? from the daily build "rockbox-21094" |
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13:50:20 | FrankTM | hmm |
13:50:27 | FrankTM | should be fine i guess |
13:50:48 | NyaX | how can i build it? |
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13:57:29 | FrankTM | NyaX: i build everything from source. so i'm not sure what you should do actually |
13:57:36 | FrankTM | im pretty new to this project |
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13:58:51 | funman | NyaX: there is no daily builds for e200v2 |
13:59:52 | NyaX | ouh, i meaned the daily source |
13:59:58 | ecrips | Hi, I've just got a Sansa Fuze v2 and I'm wondering whether the Rockbox Sansa AMS port will work on it or not? Does anyone know? |
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14:03:13 | funman | ecrips: i know : no |
14:03:42 | funman | it's different hardware inside |
14:03:46 | ecrips | funman: any idea how much work it would be to get it working? |
14:04:20 | funman | a lot since AMS don't want to give us the documentation we have for the other Sansa AMS |
14:04:21 | ecrips | I have some experience working with embedded hardware so could help get it ported if it's not too difficult |
14:04:40 | funman | ecrips: I have made some code for Clipv2 which is supposedly based on the same SoC than Fuzev2 |
14:05:18 | linuxstb | funman: Have AMS actually said no, or have they just ignored all requests? |
14:05:19 | ecrips | Is the code in SVN or available elsewhere? |
14:05:27 | funman | since you are the only one who stepped up with a fuzev2, you could start by accessing at least one button for dualboot, then lcd |
14:05:50 | funman | ecrips: the code is on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10047 (unsynced to current svn however) |
14:06:15 | funman | linuxstb: they first said "yes, show us rockbox on AS3525 first", and then stopped answering |
14:06:48 | linuxstb | funman: :( |
14:07:47 | funman | ecrips: there is a lot of similarities however with the Sansa AMS (based on AS3525) and Fuzev2/Clipv2 (supposedly based on AS3531), so when we have a driver for the SD controller (internal storage is accessed by a SD controller as well), this should be easier |
14:08:24 | ecrips | ok, well it sounds like the first stage is to find a GPIO button to do dual boot with |
14:08:34 | funman | I have some crude code for communication with the SD controller, but now i don't know how to start data transfers |
14:08:49 | funman | ecrips: yes, and you'll need to modify mkamsboot's dualboot.S with special care |
14:09:08 | ecrips | Yes I'd prefer not to instantly brick it :) |
14:09:22 | funman | let me resync the patch and i'll give you some code |
14:09:37 | ecrips | thanks |
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14:14:14 | funman | ecrips: you understand that there is a risk of bricking anyway? |
14:14:28 | ecrips | funman: yes |
14:16:25 | NyaX | know i have a problem with building rockbox from the source :/ can i post the log? (9 lines) |
14:16:33 | NyaX | *now |
14:16:37 | funman | NyaX: use pastebin |
14:16:44 | NyaX | oh, okay |
14:17:06 | NyaX | http://pastebin.com/m4b53cde2 |
14:17:31 | linuxstb | NyaX: Did you type "make" first? |
14:18:13 | NyaX | yes |
14:18:36 | linuxstb | And that succeeded? |
14:19:20 | Torne | my guess would be the make failed but you didn't notice because the makefile cleaned up all the bitmap temporary files afterward and made the error scroll off the screen. :) |
14:19:26 | Torne | i say that because i manage that one a lot |
14:19:38 | NyaX | no, but i started it again and now it seems to work |
14:23:53 | NyaX | and "make" i can type "make zip" to get everything in a .zip file? |
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14:29:32 | NyaX | i love you! everything works :):) now i just must copy the rest in the sansa... after one year without rockbox...wohooo^^ |
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14:36:18 | funman | ecrips: do you know a bit ARM assembly ? (the button check is written in assembly) |
14:36:36 | ecrips | funman: yes that's basically what I do for a living :) |
14:36:59 | ecrips | (well actually mostly the code is in C - but there's some assembly in there too) |
14:37:21 | funman | oki |
14:38:09 | funman | I resynced the patch for Clipv2 |
14:38:54 | funman | you can use http://pastie.org/491280 to test gpio on your fuzev2 |
14:38:54 | ecrips | thanks |
14:39:59 | funman | i didn't added a new fuzev2 target to the build system however (laziness..), but you can use any file provided you run a (modified by you) scramble.c on it, or provided you tweak mkamsboot sanity checks |
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14:40:21 | funman | since all the dualboot code is in mkamsboot, you could feed it with the content of /dev/random and it would still be able to boot the OF |
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14:42:45 | ecrips | funman: ok, well I'll have a look at it all tonight - it's the end of my lunch break now so I'd better get back to real work |
14:43:07 | funman | ecrips: ok, thanks! |
14:43:26 | ecrips | bye |
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16:52:29 | saratoga | Unhelpful: I'm looking into your question about which way of computing the MDCT is fastest today |
16:52:43 | saratoga | the new ffmpeg way looks remarkably clever, so I think its worth exploring |
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17:36:17 | sajes | Looks like rockbox is generally compatible with the e200v2 (from the status page.), is the install procedure the same as with a v1? |
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17:36:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | sajes: No, it's a different install process, and the port is not 100% complete yet, either. |
17:37:11 | sajes | LambdaCalculus37: The status page indicates that everything generally works except USB. |
17:37:45 | funman | it doesn't indicate the presence of several bugs however, and that should be fixed |
17:38:04 | * | LambdaCalculus37 lets funman do that, since he knows the status of the AMS ports |
17:38:09 | VytenisS | Hello, what does Backlight on Hold do ? |
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17:38:31 | sajes | funman: So it'd be a pretty stupid idea to install rockbox on my e200v2? |
17:38:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | VytenisS: Backlight on Hold configures the behavior of the backlight when the Hold switch on a DAP is clicked on. |
17:39:19 | funman | "The following targets have code in SVN but have been judged insufficiently mature to be supported, usually because a critical function (such as sound, display, etc is incomplete or unstable)." < i'm not sure if Sansa AMS fit in this description |
17:39:19 | VytenisS | LambdaCalculus37: Thanks |
17:39:44 | funman | sajes: it'd be a good idea to wait for it to be officially supported and listed on the front page |
17:39:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | VytenisS: The manual will explain more about what each option does. |
17:39:55 | saratoga | the SansaAMS page indicates whats wrong with the Sansa AMS devices |
17:40:40 | funman | well "The following targets have code in SVN but have been judged insufficiently mature to be supported" : that's descriptive enough |
17:40:55 | funman | perhaps that part should be made bold? |
17:41:24 | saratoga | i think unstable is a pretty good description of the AMS devices right now |
17:41:50 | saratoga | if they were completely stable without MMU I think we'd have at least put up a download link by now |
17:42:29 | sajes | funman: I can't find any bugs for the e200v2. |
17:42:58 | saratoga | you're not looking very hard then! |
17:43:10 | funman | i know at least 4 |
17:43:22 | Blue_Dude | Hi. Anyone know how to look at the errno from the file.c routines? The .h file explains that errno is not global, and extern doesn't seem to work. |
17:43:37 | sajes | saratoga: There's a 'hard way' to use a searchbox? |
17:43:42 | funman | manual isn't even started, rbutil support isn't finished, playback causes deadlocks, caches are disabled |
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17:44:00 | l403 | hello |
17:44:15 | funman | sajes: these bugs are known by the developers working on the port, not advertised for everyone, although there is flyspray tickets for 2 of these bugs |
17:44:41 | sajes | funman: ... That's about stupid. |
17:45:07 | sajes | What's the point of a bug tracker if it doesn't contain outstanding bug reports? |
17:45:32 | funman | sajes: what's the point of opening a bug report without details? |
17:45:59 | funman | "my sansa crashes randomly. please fix it asap" is not worth a bug report |
17:46:15 | sajes | funman: To let other people test and see if the same thing is happening to their devices, or if it's an isolated issue. |
17:46:18 | funman | do you want to help us? |
17:46:37 | funman | sajes: the sansas of just every dev crash randomly, so no it's not an isolated issue |
17:47:23 | saratoga | i think anyone using the sansas for more then a few minutes is aware they crash every few minutes :) |
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17:47:57 | saratoga | anyone familar with the keymaps want to tell me if this looks ok: FS #10249 - Gigabeat F/X: fix wrong key in "Set Time/Date" screen |
17:48:03 | saratoga | i think it should go in but what do i know |
17:48:20 | sajes | funman: "My sansa does x when I do y. It must be related to n.". |
17:48:28 | funman | sajes: please open such a report |
17:49:21 | sajes | funman: Can't. I don't have rockbox installed. |
17:49:22 | funman | because myself i have absolutely no precise idea of x, neither y, neither n. x = "doesn't answer" isn't enough |
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17:49:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: That does look correct, but let me make sure. |
17:50:47 | saratoga | teru seems really interested in working on plugins (12 patches so far with manual documentation!) so I don't want to discourage him by letting his patches rot |
17:52:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: I haven't got my Gigabeat F right now, so I can't confirm it on the device itself. |
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18:41:15 | l403 | guys, is wpyh around here sometimes? |
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18:43:46 | l403 | or maybe AlexP could help out. There is quite alot of ppl stuck with the Meizu M6 on the DFU process |
18:44:13 | markun | l403: how are they stuck? |
18:44:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | l403: And is this to help with the port? |
18:44:25 | gevaerts | ppl? |
18:44:33 | l403 | on the get cpu model |
18:44:45 | l403 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10078.105 |
18:45:04 | l403 | *people |
18:46:00 | * | gevaerts doesn't see anything unexpected on that page |
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18:46:32 | markun | on FreeBSD I had to remove one of the 2 get_cpu lines (388-389) in utils/meizu_dfu/meizu_dfu.c |
18:46:59 | l403 | gevaerts, not even the last post after wpyh's "solution" |
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18:47:14 | l403 | I am just looking at the source how to get around it |
18:47:33 | kugel | funman: re: "manual isn't even started, rbutil support isn't finished, playback causes deadlocks, caches are disabled" 3 of those aren't related to the stability of the port |
18:47:48 | kugel | and I don't experience the 4th one on my fuze |
18:47:51 | markun | l403: can you try it with 388 commented out? |
18:47:54 | saratoga | kugel: thats a list of bugs |
18:47:59 | l403 | sure I can |
18:48:06 | gevaerts | l403: the dfu tool is meant to upload two firmware files, one after the other. That works for the OF. If you upload the rockbox code, you only upload one, so the second upload fails. This is expected |
18:48:14 | funman | kugel: so is there any problem on your fuze? |
18:48:21 | kugel | not at all |
18:49:00 | kugel | I'm using it more than my e200. It's equally stable from what I've noticed, but just sounds better |
18:49:48 | funman | saratoga: which models do you own/use ? |
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18:52:30 | funman | perhaps i have a false memory syndrome for playback deadlock on my fuze |
18:52:35 | funman | not on the clip, for sure |
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18:54:32 | l403 | markun, on the 388 line I already have the main() but there is 3 duplicate get_cpu()'s in the code |
18:54:45 | markun | ah, I only have 2 :) |
18:55:21 | markun | l403: but your problem is not what gevaerts wrote? |
18:55:46 | l403 | it doesnt even start uploading the first file |
18:56:17 | l403 | two of those duplicates are right away in the dfu_m6sl() |
18:56:20 | l403 | ..which I have |
18:57:59 | l403 | it fails on the first image upload as there is printf Wait a sec and sleep(1) between them but it doesnt even get to that |
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19:00:00 | l403 | I tried disonnecting other usb devices just to avoid some kind of usb conflict but no success |
19:02:34 | l403 | the usb_control_msg() has to be returning < 0 |
19:03:50 | gevaerts | well, it works here |
19:03:57 | gevaerts | You are running this as root, right? |
19:04:19 | l403 | yep |
19:04:48 | l403 | could you pastebin your dfu source? |
19:04:58 | gevaerts | why? It's just the svn one |
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20:02:08 | saratoga | is it ok to leave kemap files over 80 characters when I edit them? |
20:02:37 | saratoga | shrinking them to 80 chars would make them pretty unreadible i think |
20:03:11 | funman | readability before strict compliance to terminal width |
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20:15:39 | joa | wow, busy in here |
20:15:41 | joa | cool |
20:15:49 | joa | i'm looking for some help, advice |
20:16:06 | joa | i am having some bother with my Iriver H10 |
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20:16:28 | joa | is anyone who knows this all too well around? |
20:16:47 | JdGordon| | how about actually asking a question? |
20:16:49 | domonoky | tell us you problem, and maybe someone can help.. |
20:17:21 | joa | it doesn't show up, at all. when connected via usb in rockbox |
20:17:35 | joa | i get in via the UMS emergency mode |
20:17:41 | joa | after a few tries it shows up. |
20:17:50 | joa | i try uninstall via the autoinstaller |
20:18:02 | domonoky | joa: is the the 3.2 release or a current build ? |
20:18:13 | domonoky | s/the/this |
20:18:20 | joa | rockbox would have been whichever build around nov 2008 |
20:18:29 | joa | i imagine 3.2 |
20:18:38 | joa | it crashed when uninstalling |
20:18:52 | joa | and when i try to uninstall the bootloader, via the same method |
20:18:54 | domonoky | then you should first update to a current build, and try again. |
20:18:57 | joa | it gets cannot find original firmware |
20:19:33 | joa | i did stick it in root, found it in system. |
20:19:38 | joa | okie dokie will try that now. |
20:20:23 | joa | appears to be installing fine |
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20:34:24 | joa | ok |
20:34:29 | joa | it appeared to install no probs |
20:34:33 | joa | restarted the iriver |
20:34:45 | joa | iriver message about restoring the files goto iriver.com |
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20:39:30 | * | Bagder adds committer #74 |
20:40:09 | JdGordon| | more trouble makers! |
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20:40:16 | JdGordon| | ah, i mean... yay :) |
20:42:53 | joa | hmm |
20:43:13 | joa | i definitely installed the bootloader, and rockbox "missing system files" |
20:43:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bagder: So who's the lucky new committer? ;) |
20:44:03 | Bagder | Jack "FlynDice" Halpin |
20:44:49 | funman | let's hope it motivates him to finally fix the port :-) |
20:45:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | FlynDice: Welcome! :) |
20:45:25 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands FlynDice a welcoming beer |
20:45:39 | gevaerts | yay, beer! We need more committers! |
20:47:32 | FlynDice | Thanks guys, I'll try not to include mmu-arm.s in every commit...;) |
20:47:54 | Bagder | :-) |
20:49:40 | FlynDice | you do realize this is like giving the 17 year old gardener the keys to the Playboy Mansion so it's easier to cut he lawn.... |
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20:49:52 | FlynDice | er the |
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20:52:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | FlynDice: That was like all of us at one point. :) |
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20:52:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Anyway... the test! |
20:53:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | FlynDice: Time to make your initial commit! :) |
20:55:13 | markun | FlynDice: congrats |
20:55:20 | * | FlynDice looks for copy of svn for dummies |
20:56:07 | joa | i have OF.mi4, should this be renamed to H10.mi4 |
20:58:43 | gevaerts | joa: I think that will restore the OF, yes. Make sure to backup system/ entirely though |
20:59:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | FlynDice: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
20:59:42 | FlynDice | LambdaCalculus37: thanks |
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21:00:04 | joa | right |
21:00:10 | joa | renamed the OF to H10 |
21:00:15 | joa | it's booted rockbox |
21:00:29 | joa | plugged in usb after boot |
21:00:37 | joa | and windows is asking for driver, is this normal? |
21:01:07 | gevaerts | that depends on the version |
21:01:22 | joa | rockbox version? or version of windows? |
21:01:29 | gevaerts | anyway, it seems that your OF.mi4 was actually the rockbox bootloader... |
21:01:32 | gevaerts | rockbox version |
21:02:10 | joa | before i upgradeded, there was H10 and Orignal |
21:02:20 | joa | erm, upgraded* |
21:02:47 | joa | this is the problem i had at the very beginning |
21:02:57 | joa | boot to rock, insert usb, windows asking for drivers |
21:03:15 | Mikachu | just point it to any usb mass storage driver you happen to have installed |
21:03:19 | gevaerts | which version of rockbox do you have? This is probably normal behaviour |
21:03:24 | gevaerts | Mikachu: wrong :) |
21:03:30 | joa | 3.2 |
21:03:31 | Mikachu | :P /me uses linux |
21:03:38 | gevaerts | Mikachu: unrelated |
21:03:51 | Mikachu | no, it means you should disregard everything i say about windows :) |
21:04:00 | gevaerts | Mikachu: this isn't about windows |
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21:04:40 | gevaerts | joa: that one doesn't have built-in rockbox usb, so it uses the built-in ROM for USB. You need to hold a button while connecting to make it reboot to that |
21:04:49 | * | gevaerts looks up the required button |
21:05:11 | gevaerts | ah, BUTTON_RIGHT |
21:05:25 | joa | hmm |
21:05:35 | gevaerts | For more convenience, you can use a current build, as those have USB mass storage built-in |
21:05:43 | Torne | joa: it's asking for a driver because rockbox is presenting itself as a dummy driver to just allow charging |
21:05:53 | joa | ok |
21:05:56 | Torne | er, dummy device |
21:05:59 | Torne | you can just ignore it |
21:06:01 | joa | i see :) |
21:06:08 | joa | for plugging into anything? |
21:06:27 | joa | 3.2 is the latest stable isn't it gevaerts? |
21:06:29 | gevaerts | Torne: well you can't ignore it if you want a mass storage connection... |
21:06:31 | gevaerts | joa: yes |
21:06:40 | Mikachu | gevaerts: ah sorry, i completely misunderstood the problem :) |
21:06:52 | Torne | gevaerts: yus, but i mean if he has a release build then it won't eb a mass storage connection anyway |
21:06:56 | Mikachu | i thought that windows asked about that even when rockbox did present itself as a ums device |
21:06:56 | Torne | so the driver popup is irrelevant |
21:07:04 | Torne | if it was a UMS device it wouldn't ask |
21:07:17 | Mikachu | windows has asked me about that, but that could have been w98 :) |
21:07:39 | Mikachu | rockbox doesn't show any "safe to unplug" yet right? (or am i doing something wrong?) |
21:07:45 | gevaerts | Mikachu: speaking of problems, have you tried a new(er) bootloader for your nano/HID problem? I know it's a long shot, but people have used it on nano successfully |
21:07:49 | joa | when you say current build gevaerts? |
21:07:53 | Mikachu | gevaerts: no, not yet |
21:08:00 | Torne | joa: nightly build from the current development code |
21:08:00 | joa | something which does concern me |
21:08:05 | joa | oh right |
21:08:13 | gevaerts | Torne: not nightly. Current! |
21:08:21 | joa | is when i try to uninstall |
21:08:22 | Torne | well, ok, yah :) |
21:08:24 | joa | rockbox crashes |
21:08:24 | Torne | you build more :0 |
21:08:28 | Torne | but same thing *g* |
21:08:38 | joa | as in, the windows autoinstaller |
21:08:43 | gevaerts | joa: you can leave the bootloader in place, just replace .rockbox |
21:10:01 | gevaerts | also, what do you mean by "when i try to uninstall rockbox crashes"? What sort of crash? |
21:10:36 | joa | the program stops responding |
21:10:45 | joa | the rockbox utility |
21:11:18 | gevaerts | hm, it shouldn't do that |
21:11:35 | gevaerts | Anyway, you can just install a current build over what's there now. No need to uninstall first |
21:11:49 | joa | ok |
21:11:55 | joa | last question |
21:12:05 | joa | if i want to restore totally back to original iriver fw |
21:12:12 | joa | how does one go about doing that? |
21:12:45 | saratoga | read the manual? |
21:13:02 | gevaerts | You basically put the original H10.mi4 back |
21:13:32 | joa | ok |
21:13:51 | joa | so everything rockbox is in the .rockbox folder |
21:14:02 | joa | except the bootloader with is the .mi4 file? |
21:14:05 | gevaerts | yes |
21:14:49 | CIA-38 | New commit by saratoga (r21099): Commit part of FS #10138 by Teruaki Kawashima. Fixes up ugly formatting in gigabeat keymap. No functional changes. |
21:15:41 | gevaerts | joa: in case you don't have the original H10.mi4 anymore, it doesn't seem too hard to find with google |
21:16:04 | joa | i do, those were the first two files i backed up. |
21:16:21 | joa | i was confused because i tried to unistall automatically with an older version |
21:16:29 | joa | and it said it couldn't locate the original bootloader |
21:16:42 | joa | put them both in root and still no go |
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21:16:50 | gevaerts | try in system/ |
21:16:58 | joa | yes they were there :) |
21:17:12 | joa | but it was just the message "cannot locate" even though they were there |
21:17:20 | joa | maybe it was expecting another filename, not sure |
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21:17:39 | joa | going to get it totally stock |
21:17:43 | joa | just so i know i can |
21:17:50 | joa | then install rockbox, then get a daily build |
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21:21:02 | joa | this is all making much sense now |
21:21:07 | joa | restored back to original |
21:21:08 | CIA-38 | New commit by saratoga (r21100): Commit next part of FS #10138 by Teruaki Kawashima. Fixes check for open error in rocklife. |
21:23:04 | saratoga | Unhelpful: is line 2559 in pictureflow.c wrong as suggested in FS #10138? It does look odd to me |
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21:28:04 | saratoga | reading the code is definately wrong |
21:28:18 | joa | which firmware are you working on saratoga? |
21:28:25 | joa | for which device |
21:28:29 | saratoga | all of them |
21:28:39 | joa | i'm just curious as to what has picture flow |
21:28:48 | Torne | all of them |
21:28:54 | saratoga | check the wiki, but most targets do i think |
21:28:59 | gevaerts | no the Archos Player! |
21:28:59 | Torne | well, the largeish targets |
21:29:22 | saratoga | i assume all bitmap display targets but i don't know |
21:31:41 | gevaerts | I think so, yes |
21:33:12 | Mikachu | #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP |
21:33:12 | Mikachu | #ifdef HAVE_TAGCACHE |
21:33:13 | Mikachu | pictureflow |
21:33:20 | saratoga | could someone familar with plugins take a look at the rest of FS #10138? i think that should go in but i don't know enough to do it myself |
21:35:12 | joa | heh, now i returned the fw to normal |
21:35:22 | joa | can't get intl UMS mode |
21:35:27 | * | joa figures this out |
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21:37:25 | joa | i guess sometimes it does help to read the manual |
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21:41:51 | joa | you can get the latest up to the minute build via the uility, that's cool. |
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21:42:17 | joa | you have some kickass update methods in place. |
21:45:47 | kugel_ | saratoga: the last 4 hunks are fine |
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21:49:11 | saratoga | kugel: what do they do exactly? |
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21:49:50 | Unhelpful | saratoga: yes, that is definitely wrong. thanks for fixing. |
21:50:08 | saratoga | thanks but i didn't spot it, just committed |
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21:52:58 | saratoga | Unhelpful: i traced through the mul, add and branch counts for the new ffmpeg fft/mdct, and they're impressively low |
21:53:18 | Unhelpful | their mdct has branches? |
21:53:49 | saratoga | 5N/8 branches |
21:54:08 | saratoga | actually a bit lower then that |
21:55:12 | joa | gah, gevaerts, when i use the utility to install the bootloader |
21:55:19 | joa | i get, missing system files etc |
21:55:40 | gevaerts | which exact h10 model is this? |
21:55:56 | Unhelpful | it that some sort of zero-valued-coefficient optimization? i just don't see why else there would be comparisons or branches, i'm not as familiar with imdct but it and idct are both essentially the sum of several basis functions scaled by the coefficients, are they not? |
21:56:25 | saratoga | Unhelpful: there is but those are unrolled |
21:56:26 | joa | h10 6gb EU model |
21:56:38 | joa | the bootloader it installed fine |
21:56:40 | gevaerts | is that the MTP one? |
21:56:44 | joa | i think so yes |
21:56:50 | joa | well 100% yes |
21:56:54 | saratoga | all mdct implementations i've seen have branches because fully unrolling them would give an enormous number of ops |
21:56:58 | joa | OF is the wrong name isn't it? |
21:57:22 | gevaerts | ok. In that case, get the bootloader from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/H10_5GB-MTP/ and use that |
21:57:54 | Unhelpful | saratoga: ahhh... the idct implementations i have looked at unroll *everything* except looping to apply to multiple rows or columns, but they are also of rather small sizes compared to audio codecs, aren't they? |
21:58:08 | gevaerts | The UMS and MTP versions need a different bootloader, and rockbox utility unfortunately doesn't autodetect the right one |
21:58:09 | saratoga | the 2048 point imdct takes almost 17000 muls and adds for instance, so they need to loop |
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21:58:23 | saratoga | yes with an 8x8 transform unrolling is quite easy |
21:58:27 | joa | i didn't select MTP |
21:58:30 | joa | who knows |
21:58:53 | gevaerts | the main rockbox build is the same, just the bootloader is different |
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21:59:59 | saratoga | opps wrong number, seems the 2048 point version uses 26019 adds and muls |
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22:00:15 | saratoga | 17000 is just for the fft |
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22:02:30 | chandoo | hi i just received creative zen 2gb player, is it possible to install rockbox on it |
22:02:36 | chandoo | i am new to rockbox |
22:02:50 | Unhelpful | hrm, mpegplayer's 8-point IDCT seems to have fewer multiplies than JPEG's... wikipedia doesn't seem to say "which" DCT/IDCT MPEG uses, but i would assume they're also II/III |
22:03:56 | saratoga | Unhelpful: i was reading this today and saw mention of the jpeg IDCT: http://www.fftw.org/newsplit.pdf |
22:06:36 | funman | if i were to build mkamsboot binaries, should I attach them to the wiki or somewhere else? |
22:07:20 | linuxstb | funman: If you're making a release, they should go on the download servers (talk to Bagder) |
22:08:30 | linuxstb | funman: You should also tag the source in svn. |
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22:15:15 | mcuelenaere | chandoo: no, the creative zen isn't supported |
22:15:43 | chandoo | okay, any chance of it getting supported |
22:15:55 | mcuelenaere | not if someone starts working on it |
22:16:38 | Unhelpful | saratoga: i don't think i follow enough of this to apply it. i count 12 explicit multiply operations in our jpeg IDCT, though, and our MPEG one has 3 instances of a BUTTERFLY macro that contains 3 multiplies. |
22:16:46 | joa | heh |
22:17:06 | joa | rockbox says over 1gig used. |
22:17:22 | joa | i competely wiped all media dirs, seems a bit high |
22:17:57 | gevaerts | try checking the filesystem |
22:17:59 | funman | linuxstb: by the way, we didn't discuss again about using home or left button as dualboot on clip |
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22:18:31 | funman | i must say technically the only advantage for using left button is to avoid extra (very small, but i'm lazy) manual work |
22:18:38 | saratoga | can you just use both? |
22:19:13 | funman | i think we could, but why would we want to use 2 buttons ? |
22:19:51 | JdGordon| | well... left is used on the current sansas, so it owuld be better to have all the sansas the same |
22:20:14 | funman | we could release mkamsboot 0.1 , and bring Clipv2 (and Fuzev2?) support in the 0.2 release |
22:20:20 | linuxstb | funman: I'm happy to leave it to you - I'm not working on it... |
22:20:35 | funman | let's use left button for consistency with other Sansa |
22:20:36 | joa | my bad |
22:21:09 | joa | erm COOL! |
22:21:17 | funman | now i just have to checkout 1GB+ of data from svn to tag it (using git) |
22:21:26 | joa | there is a load of hidden files in pictures |
22:21:33 | funman | i mean git-svn can't use svn tags |
22:21:34 | joa | it's girlfriends now hot younger syster |
22:21:40 | joa | sister* |
22:21:49 | * | joa checks out the "freshers" folder |
22:22:30 | linuxstb | funman: You can just tag directly, without even having a local svn checkout. It's just an "svn cp" - see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN#Tagging_releases |
22:23:34 | funman | domonoky: still working on rbutil integration ? i see fs#10185 didn't move in 2 weeks |
22:23:48 | saratoga | joa: this is an on topic channel, so stay on topic |
22:23:53 | linuxstb | funman: But I would simply call it "v1", rather than 0.1 |
22:24:10 | domonoky | funman: i didnt found time for it... maybe more next week :-) |
22:24:51 | funman | i will also need an osx binary |
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22:30:29 | funman | linuxstb: shouldn't extract_fw.c move from mkamsboot to utils/AMS/hacking ? |
22:31:13 | CIA-38 | New commit by saratoga (r21103): Commit next part of FS# 10138 by Teruaki Kawashima. Replace ROCKBOX_DIR and related defines with PLUGIN_APPS_DIR or PLUGIN_GAMES_DIR. |
22:32:17 | joa | with the latest build |
22:32:22 | joa | still doesn't go into UTS |
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22:32:27 | BuXY95 | hi all |
22:32:34 | joa | i get a double bleep, with no drive in my computer |
22:33:02 | BuXY95 | is it possible to play mario with rockbox on iriver h120? |
22:33:12 | domonoky | BuXY95: yes |
22:33:12 | evilnick_230 | Yes, using the gb emulator |
22:33:43 | BuXY95 | where can i find and how can i install the emu? |
22:33:58 | evilnick_230 | It's already contained with each build |
22:34:13 | evilnick_230 | Just find the .gb file in the Files menu and "play" it |
22:34:27 | BuXY95 | hmmm... just installed rockbox 3.2 a minute ago :) |
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22:35:01 | BuXY95 | and i suppose i have to search for a .gb game then, right? |
22:35:13 | Unhelpful | you need a gameboy ROM for the game you with to play, we can't help you with obtaining those. |
22:35:21 | BuXY95 | i see |
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22:35:55 | evilnick_230 | BuXY95: There are some free ones here if you want to test it: http://www.pdroms.de/ |
22:36:11 | BuXY95 | and umm, i made a wps couple of months ago, and it doesn't seem to work with 3.2, is it difficult to make it compatible? |
22:36:22 | froggyman | you have to dump your own for them to be 100% legal (not including the PD ones) |
22:36:32 | BuXY95 | pdroms.de is down :( |
22:38:21 | evilnick_230 | froggyman: That depends on where you live |
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22:39:20 | BuXY95 | hungary |
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22:39:51 | krazykit | BuXY95, this is an on-topic channel about rockbox. please take any off-topic chatter elsewhere |
22:39:55 | froggyman | evilnick_230: well i guess... some parts of Russia actualy allow you to completely ignore copyrights... |
22:40:30 | krazykit | ah, i see how the conversation went. still, bordering on the edge of topicality |
22:40:34 | BuXY95 | sorry, so |
22:40:42 | BuXY95 | i made a .WPS couple of months ago, and it doesn't seem to work with 3.2, is it difficult to make it compatible? |
22:40:58 | saratoga | anyone have a gigabeat handy and want to see if the time and date screen buttons are wrong? |
22:41:34 | n1s | saratoga: what gigabeat? |
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22:42:10 | saratoga | n1s: F/X |
22:42:15 | saratoga | see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10249 |
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22:42:47 | n1s | ah, only have an S |
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22:43:52 | saratoga | n1s: are the buttons any different? |
22:44:34 | n1s | yes |
22:44:39 | krazykit | BuXY95, not particularly. if you use a sim (or checkwps) and the wiki page, you should be able to update it fairly easily |
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22:47:13 | BuXY95 | okay, so i'll do it if i'll have enough time :) :( |
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22:47:32 | linuxstb | funman: Yes, I'm not sure what extract_fw.c is doing there... |
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22:48:15 | funman | it moves with mkamsboot from utils/AMS :) |
22:48:17 | funman | moved* |
22:48:40 | BuXY95 | evilnick_230, Unhelpful, froggyman, krazykit: thank you all for your kind and quick help! |
22:48:45 | BuXY95 | bye |
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22:50:27 | joa | i connect the H10, it appears in UTS mode, go into the drive H: |
22:50:33 | joa | appears empty |
22:50:35 | joa | :s |
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22:53:12 | kugel_ | saratoga: I think test_editor is fine too (the statusbar stuff is handled by the loader) |
22:54:23 | kugel_ | how about committing the prebuilt dual_boot.o when releasing mkamsboot? |
22:54:44 | funman | why? |
22:54:47 | kugel_ | in case we agreed on that way for building rbutil without tool chains which I think we did |
22:54:52 | funman | there's 5 dualboot.o anyway |
22:55:09 | funman | ah, i didn't remember this |
22:55:25 | funman | well there is no rbutil support yet |
22:55:44 | saratoga | we'll need prebuilt ones sooner or later |
22:55:51 | domonoky | yes, those dualboot-xxx.o should go into svn, but its not really needed until rbutil support is there... |
22:55:55 | saratoga | unless we're planning to change them might as well |
22:55:57 | kugel_ | yes, but updating the prebuilt one with every release seems like a good idea to me |
22:56:26 | saratoga | i thought the idea was to never change them now that they work |
22:56:41 | saratoga | also kugel i don't know anything about the status bar so why don't you commit that |
22:57:06 | kugel_ | you seemed to have found fun with that task :) |
22:57:47 | funman | perhaps one day we should remove the function which boots OF if powered by USB (when we have working usb driver..) |
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22:58:23 | kugel_ | perhaps? most definitely, I'd say :) |
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23:00:03 | kugel_ | for star.c, I think that's rather a bug in the menu code |
23:02:35 | linuxstb | kugel_: I think we want the .bin, rather than the .o - OS X doesn't use ELF |
23:03:44 | funman | even for arm target? |
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23:04:40 | linuxstb | No. But there are two ".o" files created - which are we talking about? It goes .S -> .o -> .bin -> .o |
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23:05:25 | joa | i startup my H10 in emergency mode and it appears but there appears to be nothing in the drive |
23:05:45 | joa | odd, i redid it this time, again in emergency it just appears as unknown device |
23:05:54 | joa | this is in emergency mode, not rockbox |
23:05:59 | joa | i think it's starting to die :( |
23:06:04 | linuxstb | Or more accurately, .S -> .arm-o -> .arm-elf -> .arm-bin -> .c -> .o (which is then linked with mkamsboot) |
23:06:33 | linuxstb | So probably the .c (and .h to go with it) are the best things to commit. |
23:06:36 | kugel_ | linuxstb: sorry, I meant to say the prebuilt binary with whatever extension |
23:06:51 | joa | using the latest build, doesn't auto have UTS mode, not for me anyway |
23:07:04 | funman | linuxstb: the .c & .h can be generated by bin2c (1 less file to commit) |
23:07:06 | kugel_ | that one that makes most sense to keep in svn |
23:07:31 | linuxstb | funman: Yes, but adding bin2c to the rbutil build system may be tricky (I've no idea though...) |
23:08:01 | linuxstb | But they could just be joined together - one .c and one .h containing all the dualboot binaries. |
23:08:16 | linuxstb | And move the code to generate them into a subdir in mkamsboot |
23:08:22 | domonoky | linuxstb: shouldnt be a problem, i intend to make mkamsboot into a lib, so normal make file, and link that to rbutil. |
23:09:25 | domonoky | aslong as the build of mkamsboot doesnt need arm-elf gcc, all should be fine. |
23:09:39 | funman | so we could release .h files (with the actual .h and .c content) |
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23:14:41 | funman | I don't understand how arm-elf and arm-bin files are removed |
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23:16:46 | linuxstb | funman: I think it's a "feature" of make, but I forget the details... |
23:17:57 | JdGordon| | linuxstb: how did your origional statusbar-wps patch work? did you have a sperate .wps for the statusbar bit and require the rest of the ui not be inside it? |
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23:19:00 | linuxstb | IIRC, there was a flag for each viewport, to say which screen(s) that viewport is displayed in. So my test WPS would have had some status-bar only viewports. |
23:19:03 | kugel | I dont think we should use the wps statusbar in the rest of the ui |
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23:21:35 | linuxstb | funman: I think it's because those files aren't named explicitly as targets in the Makefile, but are part of a chain between other named files, so they are deleted. |
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23:23:12 | funman | yep I see that make "deletes temporary files" in the debug output |
23:23:22 | funman | i.e. *-bin *-elf |
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23:23:52 | kugel | JdGordon|: there's a statusbar flag for gui_wps_refresh, that could be used outside the wps. that's not per viewport though |
23:24:23 | funman | and I think *.arm-bin are remade if they don't exist because they are dependances of %.c %.h, even if *.c *.h are up to date |
23:25:01 | kugel | but it calls gwps_draw_statusbar(), which is for now a wrapper for viewportmanager_set_statusbar(). but it could draw a custom statusbar too |
23:25:14 | funman | i'll move their generation in a subdirectory |
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23:33:41 | AlexP | saratoga: Do you still want someone with an F? |
23:34:07 | saratoga | AlexP: yeah could you verify 10249? |
23:34:20 | AlexP | saratoga: Will look |
23:36:22 | AlexP | saratoga: yes, power is revert (or cancel, however you want to look at it). Both select and A accept. |
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23:36:49 | saratoga | so i should just commit his change? |
23:37:09 | saratoga | also, i got a split radix mdct to compile, though the music sounds quite garbled |
23:37:35 | AlexP | Power is certainly correct as revert - A accepts as well as select, but it is probably easier not to mention that |
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23:43:06 | yomamathecablegu | Hey everyone ^_^ I have a question. I've got loads of experience with various scripting and programming languages, and I want to start developing rockbox plugins. How should I go about starting? |
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23:43:59 | Bagder | yomamathecablegu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
23:44:32 | AlexP | saratoga: As far as the actual change goes, it looks fine. It would be rather trivial but a bit boring to change it in the other languages, as (on the one or two I checked) they seem to use POWER = localised string or A = localised string etc. |
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23:46:59 | Llorean | Is the lua plugin set up as a viewer for whatever file extension lua scripts usually have (basically, are we in a position to have lua scripted plugins?) |
23:47:09 | Bagder | what *is* FS #10252 ? |
23:47:58 | AlexP | Llorean: .lua |
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23:48:11 | Llorean | Bagder: InfoNES is an NES emulator, so I guess it's just a bad attempt at uploading a patch? |
23:48:29 | Bagder | it might be yes |
23:48:37 | Bagder | the list of .cpp files scares me though |
23:49:16 | Llorean | AlexP: Maybe we should get a sample lua plugin from someone who knows the language, like our hello world plugin? For 3.3 I mean, since it's a "major" new feature |
23:49:24 | linuxstb | Bagder: And it's only for the ipod 1G/2G... |
23:49:24 | saratoga | AlexP: you want to commit it then? |
23:49:29 | AlexP | Llorean: yup |
23:49:42 | AlexP | Llorean: I think mcuelenaere had one |
23:49:44 | Bagder | linuxstb: somehow I doubt that is true... |
23:49:54 | AlexP | saratoga: Sure, if you like :) |
23:49:56 | linuxstb | Bagder: Really? ;) |
23:50:04 | mcuelenaere | Llorean: there's currently test_viewports.lua in SVN |
23:50:08 | Llorean | Bagder: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2911 |
23:50:14 | mcuelenaere | but I do have some test scripts in my tree |
23:50:23 | Bagder | Llorean: aah |
23:50:32 | Llorean | Scroll down to some of the patches there |
23:50:41 | yomamathecablegu | Thanks Bagder. I'll look at it ^_^ |
23:50:41 | Bagder | no .cpp there! ;-) |
23:50:54 | Llorean | I see some in MikeT's patch. :-P |
23:51:15 | Llorean | The very last patch has them renamed to .c |
23:51:26 | Bagder | yeah. I skipped to the end |
23:51:46 | Llorean | I remember trying the patch some time ago but it not working for me. |
23:52:01 | yomamathecablegu | Is there a compiler for Mac OS? |
23:52:26 | AlexP | yomamathecablegu: yes |
23:52:30 | funman | yes, you can get it from the (free of charge) iphone sdk for example |
23:52:39 | Llorean | mcuelenaere: Is it a good sample program, or is it more a good test program? I mean, there's a bunch of plugins in SVN already so there's not a huge argument for why we even have the hello world there. |
23:52:53 | AlexP | yomamathecablegu: If you checkout SVN then run tools/rockboxdev.sh it'll build the cross compilers for you |
23:52:54 | yomamathecablegu | Ahh I see. Thanks. I'll tell you if I need anything else ^_^ |
23:53:15 | funman | linuxstb: i have something ready (for mkamsboot), do you want to see the patch before i re-read mkamsboot.c and write a true README ? |
23:53:31 | mcuelenaere | Llorean: hmm it is more of a 'test' program in order to verify all Rockbox/Lua wrappers to be working, but it should cover most of the API |
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23:53:42 | Llorean | mcuelenaere: Is it commented decently? |
23:53:47 | mcuelenaere | (+ it has some nice 'lib' functions) |
23:53:49 | mcuelenaere | not really :) |
23:53:58 | Llorean | Any chance of it being commented before 3.3? |
23:54:47 | saratoga | will DEBUGF print a float from the sim? |
23:54:56 | mcuelenaere | Llorean: http://pastie.org/492026 and http://pastie.org/492028 |
23:55:40 | linuxstb | funman: Sure, I'll have a quick look. |
23:55:42 | mcuelenaere | Llorean: I could get it commented.. (when's 3.3 due?) |
23:56:10 | Llorean | mcuelenaere: That seems to be under discussion. :) |
23:56:59 | Llorean | Sometime mid next month, slightly earlier than normal releases because of DevCon |
23:57:18 | yomamathecablegu | AlexP, do I need to download Revision 20899? |
23:57:45 | funman | linuxstb: http://pastie.org/492035 (don't look at dualboot.S, i have cosmetics changes in progress) |
23:57:58 | AlexP | yomamathecablegu: 21104 is the latest |
23:58:14 | AlexP | yomamathecablegu: Just chekout the source with SVN and you'll get the latest |
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