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| 00:01:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: Should I add some kind of option to check for FM radio? |
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| 00:02:43 | gevaerts | bitf: you said that your file manager doesn't show hidden files, so presumably there's an option to change that |
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| 00:03:33 | Mikachu | bitf: ls -A |
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| 00:05:34 | maddler | Hello World! |
| 00:05:43 | bitf | gevaerts:I know, but I really don't have the time or the know how, is there a way to delete on the player? Mikachu: not working, I'm probably doing it wrong some how |
| 00:05:51 | toffe82 | LambdaCalculus37: I think the ref of the gogear chabge, it is 6230 without if I remember.. |
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| 00:06:21 | gevaerts | bitf: if you have rockbox on it, deleting files should be described in the manual |
| 00:08:20 | bitf | gevaerts: tried that, context menu is missing all but one option |
| 00:08:58 | gevaerts | which revision are you using? |
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| 00:09:10 | toffe82 | LambdaCalculus37: or it is just a hd dif, 6330 and 6320... I have no time to check now.. |
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| 00:09:54 | bitf | got it, I think. hold on |
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| 00:10:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: I'll check. |
| 00:10:34 | toffe82 | LambdaCalculus37: I have it :) |
| 00:11:18 | toffe82 | LambdaCalculus37: hdd6330 with radio and 6320 without |
| 00:11:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: Okay, I'll make sure to name it correctly. |
| 00:11:50 | bitf | it works, thanks for the help |
| 00:12:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: Does the radio work on the HDD6330 currently? |
| 00:12:11 | toffe82 | I remember that the guy who had rockbox working first had a 6320 without radio, and the servic manual confirm it |
| 00:12:17 | toffe82 | LambdaCalculus37: yes |
| 00:12:22 | toffe82 | you can check it |
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| 00:15:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: I don't have the GoGears with me today, except the SA9200. And speaking of that, I need to seriously update the build for it. |
| 00:16:20 | toffe82 | LambdaCalculus37: :), JhMikes has one also but I don't think he had the time to look at it |
| 00:17:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: He's a busy man with the beast port. :) |
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| 00:28:55 | CIA-38 | New commit by pixelma (r21132): Commit FS #10262 by Marko Pahlke: Fuze SVG for the manual (again with pdf and updated png). |
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| 00:31:31 | funman | Now for Sansa AMS manuals, I think we must write instructions for manual bootloader installation, plugin keymaps for Fuze, Clip, and m200v4, and m200v4 keymap (e200v2 uses e200 keymap) |
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| 00:35:10 | _fml | Wouldn't it be helpful to draw a stroke of length 1cm (or 1 inch) along with the SVG images? Just so that the reader can imagine the real size. |
| 00:37:35 | pixelma | I don't think that's needed, they probably have the player in front of them |
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| 01:27:00 | Etu | Hello, How do I do to take a screenshot inside rockbox of my theme? |
| 01:27:22 | funman | Etu: use the simulator |
| 01:27:33 | pixelma | on the player or in the simulator? |
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| 01:27:42 | funman | I think the screenshot key is F5, and you'll have a .bmp in simdisk folder |
| 01:27:48 | Etu | On the player |
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| 01:27:56 | funman | use a camera :) |
| 01:28:38 | amiconn | Go to the debug menu, enable the screendump option, then go to the screen you want to dump, and plug in USB |
| 01:28:50 | Etu | amiconn: thx :) |
| 01:29:21 | amiconn | The device won't go into usb mode, but store a screendump. Afterwards, disable that option again, connect usb, and grab the dump(s) from the player's root |
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| 01:30:14 | Etu | now I have screendumps of my theme :D |
| 01:30:20 | amiconn | You can take as many dumps as you want; they will have unique names |
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| 01:31:34 | Etu | Yeah, I know. I done this before, but I forrgotten where to enable the screendump mode |
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| 01:36:49 | * | Unhelpful prefers sims for screendumps |
| 01:37:38 | * | Etu has upploaded hit theme :D |
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| 01:37:59 | Etu | his* |
| 01:44:41 | Unhelpful | "public domain" should be ok to use in GPL, right? i'm thinking of bob jenkins lookup3 hash functions for mapping album names to filenames in pictureflow. it's not secure in a crypto sense, but it is fast and good at collision prevention. |
| 01:45:27 | saratoga | does he put any restrictions on your ability to use the code? |
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| 01:48:38 | Unhelpful | http://burtleburtle.net/bob/c/lookup3.c |
| 01:49:05 | Unhelpful | his hashes are in linux kernel as include/linux/jhash.h |
| 01:49:28 | saratoga | "You can use this free for any purpose" sounds pretty clear to me |
| 01:50:41 | Unhelpful | reading in whole ints at a time is probably only marginally useful to us on targets, because of alignment. might still be worth offering the fast path as a special case for int-aligned input |
| 01:51:36 | Unhelpful | the initial value thing is useful if we'd ever want something like a bloom filter (a hash-based method of testing if a value has been seen before or not) |
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| 02:12:28 | CIA-38 | New commit by amiconn (r21133): Lame 3.98 changed the -V parameter from integer to floating point. Now we need -V 9.999 in order to get the smallest possible size as before. Earlier ... |
| 02:12:57 | amiconn | Umm, Warning: post-commit hook failed (exit code 127) with output: |
| 02:12:57 | amiconn | Fast-forwarded master to refs/remotes/git-svn. |
| 02:12:57 | amiconn | /sites/svn/rockbox/hooks/post-commit: line 52: git-push: command not found |
| 02:13:24 | * | amiconn hopes this is nothing to worry about... |
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| 02:32:58 | Unhelpful | amiconn: happened on a commit from svn? |
| 02:33:10 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:33:24 | Unhelpful | i'll rebase and see if it made it to git. |
| 02:34:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Ping |
| 02:34:14 | Unhelpful | git.rockbox.org seems to be down? |
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| 02:34:35 | pixelma | I saw that too on my commits today |
| 02:34:46 | pixelma | also from svn |
| 02:34:56 | Unhelpful | and i used git svn rebase which talks to the svn server, so that tells me nothing, anyway. |
| 02:35:27 | Unhelpful | it appears the git server is down, i can connect via http to git.rockbox.org but not with git. |
| 02:36:29 | pixelma | it has been reported yesterday already so I wasn't too worried ;) |
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| 02:48:34 | MathStuf | hi, i have a creative zen vision m and i would like to test rockbox with it; anything i can do to help? |
| 02:51:26 | saratoga | have you looked at the wiki page for it? |
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| 02:55:52 | MathStuf_ | sorry, my internet has been flaky lately :( |
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| 02:56:14 | MathStuf_ | saratoga: yeah, i have the wiki page open |
| 02:57:37 | kugel | Unhelpful: I found something for the filename prob |
| 02:57:46 | Unhelpful | kugel: what? |
| 02:58:07 | Unhelpful | store filename\0album\0 instead of album\0? |
| 02:58:16 | kugel | I injected another tc search in create_title_index and appand the filename to the title |
| 02:59:08 | kugel | basically, yes, just the other way around ;) |
| 02:59:39 | Unhelpful | that may do for now... i think being able to do seek->index->filename would be better in the long run, so maybe split the get filename stuff out into a function so it can be replaced? |
| 02:59:45 | kugel | now the only problem is actually replacing the current playlist (including the currently playing file) |
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| 03:00:14 | kugel | nah, that's the same code for title and filename, that would just duplicate the code |
| 03:00:30 | kugel | I only added like 5 lines to the functions |
| 03:00:57 | kugel | also, I implemented get_track_filename(), so there's no problem |
| 03:01:30 | kugel | for a better solution, I guess, tagcache needs to be "fixed" |
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| 03:03:12 | Unhelpful | kugel: i said earlier how we might do that :) |
| 03:03:46 | kugel | jep |
| 03:04:51 | Unhelpful | since create_title_index uses tag_title, which has indices to the master table, you don't need to use a separate tagcache_search to get the filename - tagcache_retrieve should do the job. |
| 03:05:18 | MathStuf_ | what arch is the VMware image? x86? |
| 03:06:25 | saratoga | yes |
| 03:06:35 | saratoga | it runs on windows |
| 03:06:45 | MathStuf_ | im on fedora |
| 03:07:24 | saratoga | then you probably don't need to virtualize a linux install |
| 03:07:26 | Unhelpful | there's no good reason to use the image, then. use rockboxdev.sh |
| 03:07:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | I figure that I have to fix something in button-m200.c, but I'm not sure what, exactly. |
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| 03:08:49 | MathStuf_ | well, i don't have arm-elf compiler readily available |
| 03:08:58 | MathStuf_ | arm-gp2x, but i doubt that cuts it |
| 03:09:19 | andrewbeveridge | that's what rockboxdev.sh is for ;-) |
| 03:09:29 | MathStuf_ | k |
| 03:09:44 | saratoga | MathStuf_: you might want to read the wiki entry on setting up under linux |
| 03:10:38 | MathStuf_ | wheres it install to? |
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| 03:13:07 | MathStuf_ | ah ha, i see |
| 03:14:21 | andrewbeveridge | =) |
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| 03:15:25 | ruckus | hello hello people... i've been having this problem with my gigabeat f10 for awhile now, though i didn't have time to report it. when the bootloader is in a USB mode, and i unmount the player, i get an error message "ATA error: -11" instead of booting in rockbox. any idea what causes this? |
| 03:15:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://lambdacalculus379.pastebin.com/m25c98c95 <−− Got the same error message again when building for the m200. |
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| 03:17:31 | MathStuf_ | hmm |
| 03:17:59 | MathStuf_ | ah, rogue vim commands |
| 03:18:43 | * | andrewbeveridge scorns the mention of vim |
| 03:19:09 | MathStuf_ | i usually use kwrite, but im cluttered with wiki pages, this vnc and other stuff |
| 03:19:18 | MathStuf_ | should really spread things out between the desktops |
| 03:19:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | MathStuf_: Oi, keep it on topic. |
| 03:19:30 | MathStuf_ | k |
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| 03:20:52 | Unhelpful | hrm, i see an issue... if pictureflow is building the AA cache and the album title cache at the same time there can't be useful progress bar updates :/ |
| 03:23:45 | MathStuf | what is the status of rockbox for the zvm? |
| 03:24:04 | krazykit | MathStuf, read the relevant wiki page and forum thread |
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| 03:33:32 | Unhelpful | maybe just turn the progress bar into a spinner? |
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| 03:45:12 | MathStuf | hmm...got a faulty bootloader error with mkzenboot |
| 03:49:30 | MathStuf | i didn't get a rockbox.zvmboot file, only rockox.zvm |
| 03:51:00 | krazykit | MathStuf, i'm not sure what you're planning on doing with it, since hardly anything works. |
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| 03:51:48 | MathStuf | well, id like to help change that as a tester |
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| 03:53:27 | MathStuf | i picked it up at a yard sale and it can't really do much now anyways due to my flac/ogg collection |
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| 03:58:34 | MathStuf | ah, there we go |
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| 04:01:14 | krazykit | the port needs code, not testing |
| 04:01:32 | MathStuf | ah |
| 04:02:02 | Unhelpful | maybe a spinner and and "x albums found" text? |
| 04:02:02 | krazykit | last i checked, there wasn't even filesystem access, let alone playback |
| 04:02:33 | MathStuf | k |
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| 05:37:53 | benime | has anyone been successful in building an arm toolchain using the crossdev tool in Gentoo? I've been fighting with it for the last couple hours and can't seem to find the right combination to build a rockbox gigabeat S target |
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| 05:38:52 | benime | either the toolchain will compile fine but error out when building rockbox, or it will error out when building the toolchain |
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| 05:46:15 | Llorean | You could just use the rockboxdev.sh script to build the toolchain. This is the strongly suggested method. |
| 05:47:18 | benime | yeah trying that now |
| 05:47:34 | benime | I figured it worked for m68k-elf, it should work for arm |
| 05:47:36 | benime | no such luck |
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| 06:00:42 | MathStuf | benime: i just got it working for arm tonight |
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| 06:25:57 | benime | welp, rockboxdev.sh was the way to go. compiled fine, and built rockbox for arm target fine. thanks a bunch |
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| 12:38:09 | Llorean | Anyone with an e200 around? |
| 12:39:14 | Tuplanolla | let's see if i can find my one |
| 12:39:51 | Tuplanolla | yep, there it is. |
| 12:40:41 | Llorean | Does USB work for you with current SVN builds? |
| 12:42:13 | Tuplanolla | just a sec, i'll try |
| 12:42:21 | pixelma | for what it's worth - USB works for me on my c200 (one week old build but already with HID) |
| 12:42:40 | Llorean | Alright. |
| 12:43:40 | Llorean | I'd imagine the c200 would show it too. |
| 12:44:32 | pixelma | on Windows XP, after the first connection with the HID build Windows found a bunch of new "devices" but then gave me the info "driver installed successful, ready to use" |
| 12:44:37 | Tuplanolla | yep, works with r21133 |
| 12:44:43 | Llorean | pixelma: Same for my Nano |
| 12:44:51 | Llorean | His experience suggests something odd is happening anyway. |
| 12:44:59 | Llorean | if he can get to the debug menu, it's like he's holding Select |
| 12:45:43 | pixelma | can there be differences if e.g. he has USB1.1 ports, or is behind a hub etc.? |
| 12:46:39 | Llorean | If it was working before, I wouldn't expect it to stop with HID though. |
| 12:46:43 | Llorean | Don't know enough about it to really say though |
| 12:47:32 | * | amiconn just had a very strange USB effect on the beast, although that was an oldish build |
| 12:47:57 | amiconn | It connected fine first, showing two drives for a few seconds, then disconnected itself |
| 12:48:21 | amiconn | Bootloader USB is working fine, so I was able to update |
| 12:49:46 | * | Llorean thinks HID needs an "off" switch of some sort, and maybe some configurability. |
| 12:50:25 | Llorean | It's a little disconcerting to brush against my iPod and have my volume jump |
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| 12:50:44 | amiconn | There is a hold switch for a reason... |
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| 12:51:14 | Llorean | Hah, I didn't even think of that. |
| 12:51:46 | scorche|sh | Llorean: maybe we should implement some sort of "volume limiter" for you? |
| 12:51:48 | * | scorche|sh ducks |
| 12:52:08 | Llorean | Nevermind the "off" switch then. I still think the buttons could use some configuration (maybe "media" and "directional" profiles or something) (select as 'mute' makes little sense to me, and sometimes I think it'd be nicer to have the keys bound as more normal controls) |
| 12:52:28 | Llorean | scorche|sh: My problem is often turning it *down*. My laptop doesn't get terribly loud. |
| 12:54:03 | pixelma | I think the plan is to have the HID buttons configurable |
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| 13:04:09 | jeeger | Greetings! I just got an iPod classic, and I am wondering what hampers porting the rockbox to the classic. Are you missing a device, or is there no interest in a classic port? |
| 13:04:33 | Llorean | Nobody with the device has managed to find a way past the security measures |
| 13:04:38 | jeeger | (I am /really/ missing rockbox. The normal firmware sucks something through something else) |
| 13:04:56 | jeeger | Ah, so the boot process is protected? |
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| 13:06:00 | Llorean | gevaerts: Do you (or I guess somebody else) know which player we currently have around can "be" the most devices at once? |
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| 13:06:14 | Llorean | jeeger: The firmware's encrypted, and it won't run code other than Apple's. |
| 13:06:43 | jeeger | So one would have to burn a different firmware to run rockbox? |
| 13:06:57 | Llorean | Rockbox *is* a different firmware. |
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| 13:07:50 | jeeger | But the /firmware/ doesn't run rockbox, does it? The bootloader executes the firmware. |
| 13:08:56 | Llorean | The bootloader is also firmware... |
| 13:09:35 | scorche|sh | and with the encryption, we have no idea how to get our code to run...also, we would like the firmware to be decrypted so that we could reverse engineer it and hopefully figure out how to use all of the new proprietary hardware in the device |
| 13:09:43 | Llorean | Somewhere we need to get it to run unsigned code, or find a way to sign or encrypt our code so that it accepts it. Nobody has done this yet. |
| 13:11:27 | jeeger | *sigh*. Unfortunately, there is no real alternative to the large iPods any more (except the zune, which I am beginning to regard as the lesser of evils) |
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| 13:11:48 | scorche|sh | you can always buy another device and place a larger hard drive in them... |
| 13:11:53 | gevaerts | Llorean: you mean as in things like MSC, HID, audio, whatever at the same time? That basically translates to available endpoints. |
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| 13:12:37 | jeeger | scorche|sh: I always thought the disks aren't available commonly |
| 13:12:40 | Llorean | gevaerts: I was going to ask which had the most available endpoints, but my brain threw doubts at me so I figured I'd leave out any terms I wasn't sure of. Yes, that's what I meant. |
| 13:12:43 | scorche|sh | sure they are |
| 13:13:24 | jeeger | Ah, okay. So I could just have bought a 120 GB hard drive and put it in my 5.5G |
| 13:13:43 | scorche|sh | jeeger: not in your local electronics store, but plenty of places around the internet and even ebay have various hard drives that will work in DAPs |
| 13:13:51 | gevaerts | Llorean: you want the beast then I think. As far as I can see it has 8 endpoint pairs (including control), so it should be able to run any combination you can dream of |
| 13:14:10 | scorche|sh | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
| 13:15:32 | Llorean | gevaerts: Ah, yeah. I *think* what I'm curious about would only require 4 (or less). Not something I'm serious about but just something I'm kinda idly curious about. |
| 13:15:54 | Llorean | The XBox 360 memory unit (when directly attached to a PC USB port) apparently shows 4 devices. |
| 13:16:00 | gevaerts | you need to take direction into account when counting. What did you have in mind? |
| 13:16:02 | scorche|sh | jeeger: if you will notice, that chart even includes a 240GB hard drive that can work in a device (though it can be somewhat rare) |
| 13:16:08 | jeeger | Yeah, I noticed. |
| 13:16:22 | jeeger | I am just wondering if the 5.5 qualifies as Video or Video/Photo |
| 13:16:32 | scorche|sh | video |
| 13:16:40 | scorche|sh | there is no such thing as video/photo... |
| 13:16:46 | jeeger | Yeah, Color/Photo |
| 13:17:26 | Llorean | gevaerts: I was just wondering if it was theoretically even *possible* for any of our devices to identify as an xbox 360 memory unit. |
| 13:17:44 | gevaerts | Llorean: do you have the lsusb -v output for it? |
| 13:18:21 | Llorean | I haven't hooked one up yet. Just today found out that they're just USB devices with a FATX filesystem, and some additional devices that may be for authentication or something |
| 13:18:39 | jeeger | scorche|sh: Damn, 100 Euros. That would have saved me some money.... |
| 13:18:48 | jeeger | Anyway, thanks for the information. |
| 13:18:52 | Llorean | They do use 3.3V instead of 5V though, so I can't just wire one up with what I have here. |
| 13:19:31 | gevaerts | that could be tricky to get working properly |
| 13:21:07 | Llorean | I didn't expect it to be simple. I'm still at the idle curiosity stage. |
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| 13:22:35 | * | gevaerts only does simple things |
| 13:23:45 | Llorean | Though there's no guarantee there's even an authentication issue. So far as I can tell, they've mostly just tried plugging random other things in. |
| 13:35:02 | pixelma | Llorean: about the forum guy with the e200 USB guy - could it be that he aborts the driver "installation" and that messes up things. I mean I just let it do its things after the first connection... *shrug* |
| 13:35:19 | pixelma | s/USB guy/USB problem |
| 13:35:40 | Llorean | The fact that it asked him for drivers isn't a good sign. |
| 13:35:56 | Llorean | That's what it does (used to do?) when you went into charging mode instead of USB. |
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| 13:37:20 | gevaerts | hm, what's this doing in the HID purpose thread anyway? |
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| 13:38:36 | pixelma | because he says that his USB connection problems started with the addition of the HID feature |
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| 14:05:23 | n1s | maybe he has a stripped or broken windows installation |
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| 14:11:17 | pixelma | just noticed on my c200 |
| 14:11:52 | gevaerts | that's interesting |
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| 14:17:22 | pixelma | gevaerts: argh... no it doesn't... ignore. It was just a too many targets mistake by me |
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| 15:32:00 | * | Unhelpful wonders why exactly it takes 1s to find albums with ramcache off and 6s with it on... |
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| 16:17:40 | kugel | Unhelpful: that sounds weird |
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| 16:18:03 | kugel | I recently turned dircache & ramcache on on my samsung (hdd target), and it was like "everything goes faster" |
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| 16:20:00 | kugel | I thought about using tagcache_retrieve() too, but I wasn't sure what the idxid parameter is for |
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| 16:24:19 | CIA-38 | New commit by learman (r21134): Improved Vorbis comment reader. The tags no longer need to fit in the first Ogg page to be fully read (album art can make the tags not fit). |
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| 16:27:22 | kugel | Lear: have you seen that one recent bug reports about long comments? |
| 16:28:08 | Lear | kugel: The one about ID3V2 tags? I wrote a comment. |
| 16:28:46 | kugel | I've forgotten which fs# it was, but the opener had an idea to fix it |
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| 16:31:35 | Lear | In incorrect idea about a fix... :) 3.3 will be better, due to a larger buffer. |
| 16:32:09 | kugel | I'm not sure if we're talking about the same |
| 16:33:14 | Lear | kugel: I'm talking about FS #10240. |
| 16:33:34 | kugel | ah yes, I meant that |
| 16:34:37 | kugel | I'm wondering if this crash-after-FLAC can get fixed |
| 16:41:19 | Lear | kugel: FS number? |
| 16:42:04 | kugel | meh, it was on FS (it came up with JdGordon's track change rework), but I lost it |
| 16:42:51 | Lear | Searching on flac doesn't give anything that looks right... |
| 16:43:02 | Unhelpful | kugel: you get that from your tagcache_search. only tag_title and tag_file have one. |
| 16:43:21 | kugel | so just tcs.idx_id? |
| 16:43:56 | kugel | Lear: yea, I've searched it a few days ago too without sucess |
| 16:45:29 | kkurbjun | Lear, there are some people using the M:robe builds that have seen something similar to a crash after flac |
| 16:45:37 | kkurbjun | I have some forum posts |
| 16:45:50 | kkurbjun | I wasn't sure if it was specific to the m:robe though since it is pretty preliminary |
| 16:46:07 | Unhelpful | kugel: yes... in fact, just add a field to track_data for that and save it instead of the filename. it'll save space and you can look up the filenames later if needed. |
| 16:46:15 | kugel | I was getting it on my sansa too a few weeks ago, and just 3 days ago on my samsung |
| 16:47:00 | kugel | Unhelpful: I don't understand |
| 16:47:35 | kkurbjun | http://www.mrobe.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3479&start=45 the guy named J00ker |
| 16:47:36 | kugel | that means doing a new tagcache search. we could just safe the filename together with the track names when doing the track_index build |
| 16:47:41 | kugel | save* |
| 16:47:44 | kkurbjun | and he has some posts on it on page 3 |
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| 18:19:49 | Unhelpful | kugel: because caching more text could mean having to clear more slides from the cover cache, which means more disk access after exiting the tracklist. it should probably be ok, if you avoid albums with huge numbers of tracks. |
| 18:21:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | My attempt to split the HDD6330 into its own target in the build system hit a snag. Trying to build a normal build and I'm getting this error: http://lambdacalculus379.pastebin.com/m4f8a69b6 |
| 18:21:25 | kugel | Unhelpful: a) complicates things, b) makes playlist generation slower (if it's generated after pressing select) |
| 18:21:45 | kugel | but if you can make it easy to get correctly sorted filenames then we can consider doing it |
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| 18:22:29 | Unhelpful | as far as ramcache slowing things down goes, i think it's particular to the case of unfiltered tag_filename searches. i should probably "cheat", opening the search with tag_title, or passing some filter or clause that won't do anything. |
| 18:22:41 | kugel | but I think the text is still too small to have a noticable impact on the covers |
| 18:23:19 | Unhelpful | kugel: it probably is. as far as sorting goes, remember that the track list is already sorted, so if the index IDs are part of track_data, they'll be sorted too. |
| 18:23:58 | kugel | yes, that's why I'm doing the filename generation in create_track_index |
| 18:24:16 | kugel | to make use of the sorting there. if I do another tagcache search later, it's unsorted again |
| 18:24:51 | kugel | and doing it there makes sure the track and the filename really correspond to each other |
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| 18:25:40 | Unhelpful | you're probably right about the space. i'd say go ahead and commit it when it works properly. ;) |
| 18:26:06 | Unhelpful | dircache on doesn't cause the slowdown... only ramcache. it's something funny about search init with ramcache on. :/ |
| 18:26:11 | kugel | we have max 260 bytes per filename, only for very long albums (like 100+ songs) it'll block a cover |
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| 18:27:15 | kugel | first I have to fight some clashes with including plugin.h into tagtree.c :( |
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| 18:35:31 | CIA-38 | New commit by kugel (r21137): Rename struct root_menu and the global int root_menu to avoid clashes with #including plugin.h (which #includes root_menu.h), which will be needed for ... |
| 18:36:38 | MarcGuay_ | LambdaCalculus37: Ponger |
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| 18:53:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay_: Can you see if you can build for the m200? |
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| 18:57:30 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: I took a look at your error. If I had to guess I'd say it was coming from the fact that a file is not included in SOURCES.... I didn't get that particular error when working on the c100. |
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| 19:00:34 | MarcGuay | I'd grep for "DEBUG_CANCEL" and find out why it isn't declared for my target. |
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| 19:25:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: I'll take a look at it. |
| 19:25:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Gotta run for now. |
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| 19:38:01 | kugel | Unhelpful: I'm done as far as an early patch goes, I'll upload it shorty to FS |
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| 19:49:33 | kugel | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10263 for PF as music browser |
| 19:52:47 | soap | no "Insert, insert last, Insert shuffled", etc? ;) |
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| 19:56:07 | kugel | not yet |
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| 21:11:48 | AndrewRB | hi, is there any documentation on the scramble tool? |
| 21:14:59 | bluebrother | there's always the code −− I don't think there is much other documentation available |
| 21:15:59 | AndrewRB | yeah, i know, thanks. I was just wondering if there was a page somewhere which gave details on the various things in /tools/ for me to direct somebody to. |
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| 21:21:38 | AndrewRB | how would you describe, in a few words, what the scramble tool does? |
| 21:23:03 | kugel | it takes the rockbox binary and adds a small header (with a target id and checksum) |
| 21:23:29 | kugel | for some players, like some PP-based ones, it converts the binary into a .mi4 file |
| 21:23:50 | AndrewRB | or a .d2 file in my case |
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| 21:24:42 | kugel | AndrewRB: I guess the former case applies for the d2 |
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| 21:26:43 | AndrewRB | kugel: yeah. i have settled in this sentence (it is part of a guide aimed at people who find the concept of "compiling" scary) |
| 21:26:47 | AndrewRB | kugel: "Rockbox has a tool named "scramble" which (in the context of the D2) takes a firmware file and adds a little information to the start to enable rockbox to load it from within rockbox." |
| 21:28:53 | kugel | that sounds about right |
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| 21:38:38 | MarcGuay | AndrewRB: You know that you don't need to use scramble directly to compile? mktccboot should do the trick, i think. |
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| 21:38:59 | AndrewRB | MarcGuay: this isn't to compile |
| 21:39:24 | AndrewRB | MarcGuay: it is to enable users to switch between cowon firmware images |
| 21:39:27 | MarcGuay | Okay, I misinterpreted "(it is part of a guide aimed at people who find the concept of "compiling" scary)" |
| 21:40:16 | AndrewRB | haha, that was me being facetious about the brains of some people on a certain forum who basically want everything to be done for them |
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| 21:43:44 | bluebrother | for the h100 / h300 series scramble needs to actually scramble the binary |
| 21:44:15 | AndrewRB | define "scramble"? |
| 21:44:33 | Mikachu | what the manufacturer did to their firmware to make it harder for people to reverse engineer it |
| 21:44:48 | Mikachu | since presumably the hardware expects a scrambled firmware |
| 21:45:06 | AndrewRB | ah. i see |
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| 21:48:50 | bluebrother | from a quick look at the sources: the h100 / h300 seems to be some xor-based scrambling. Also, AFAICS the SH-1 targets also use some scrambling method. |
| 21:49:28 | vanita | can rockbox run on a 2nd gen ipod nano? |
| 21:49:51 | bluebrother | no |
| 21:49:57 | vanita | ok, thanks |
| 21:50:03 | Mikachu | only 1st |
| 21:50:16 | bluebrother | the front page explicitly states this ... why you'd thought it's put there? |
| 21:51:02 | vanita | bluebrother: is this because the firmware is encrypted? |
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| 21:51:31 | bluebrother | yes, and because nobody worked on it |
| 21:52:59 | bluebrother | figuring the encryption would be the first step in a port. Then adjusting to code to the hardware would be the next. No idea how much documentation for the hardware is available at all, but juding from the other Ipods I'd guess almost nothing |
| 21:53:15 | bluebrother | which makes this a rather hard task too. |
| 21:53:22 | vanita | bluebrother: I'm new to the channel and read the guidelines in the topic first but didn't see the supported models under build.rockbox.org until you mentioned the frontpage just now, thanks... |
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| 21:54:33 | vanita | bluebrother: reverse engineering a nano with encrypted firmware sounds like a monumental challenge... |
| 21:54:39 | bluebrother | the frontpage isn't build.rockbox.org :) |
| 21:55:17 | vanita | it didn't look like it was... :) |
| 21:55:40 | vanita | but I searched around a bit |
| 21:56:12 | vanita | does badger develop the sjphone project? |
| 21:56:48 | vanita | I know he's working on rockbox... |
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| 21:57:50 | vanita | oops, off topic, I'll post that question in the community, sorry... |
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| 22:44:51 | * | AndrewRB is back. |
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| 22:52:44 | AndrewRB | krazykit: already turned it off =) |
| 22:54:29 | Horscht | Unhelpfull, were you able to recreate the Albumart issue I am having? |
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| 23:22:19 | Llorean | kugel: Does it add pictureflow to the core, or add the ability to invoke pictureflow via tagnavi? |
| 23:22:33 | kugel | the latter |
| 23:23:04 | Llorean | Is it generalized (as in, could it be expanded to allow any plugin as a filter?) Or does it "end" with pictuflow, which has to then start playback? |
| 23:23:06 | kugel | not via tagnavi if you mean the tagnavi.config, it's more added to the browser like <All tracks> and <Random> |
| 23:23:15 | Llorean | That seems sorta limited. |
| 23:24:01 | kugel | pictureflow is limited, indeed |
| 23:24:54 | Llorean | But I mean, if it isn't integrated into the database at all really, why even have it in the database menu? It could just be run on its own if they want to see that interface. |
| 23:25:40 | kugel | why not? |
| 23:25:54 | kugel | it can still be run on it's own |
| 23:26:53 | kugel | the <By Cover> is just a short cut to pictureflow.rock (for now, as pictureflow itself is too limited). But that can surely be expanded in the future. And it makes sense to have it there too imo |
| 23:27:09 | Llorean | Why does it make sense? |
| 23:27:34 | kugel | database->album->by cover starts pictureflow. That makes sense to me |
| 23:27:36 | Llorean | It's still basically a demo until you can actually use it effectively overall. |
| 23:28:10 | kugel | later in could be added to artist too if it gains the capability for flexible sorting |
| 23:28:35 | kugel | this isn't a all-or-nothing thing to me |
| 23:28:55 | Llorean | Well right now it doesn't do any of the playlisting stuff either, you mentioned in the patch. |
| 23:30:09 | Llorean | I just don't get the rush to have it in database while it's still basically a demo. |
| 23:30:43 | kugel | It's a useful shortcut, which totally doesn't hurt, imo |
| 23:31:07 | Llorean | It's not particularly useful, it's a more limited browser. |
| 23:31:09 | Mikachu | adding items to menus always hurts |
| 23:31:33 | Llorean | I don't see why it couldn't just wait until it actually serves a flexible functionality and people can incorporate it their way. |
| 23:31:58 | Llorean | As it stands, it could even mislead people if they run it and find it has no playlisting options, and think that means Rockbox doesn't have them. |
| 23:32:17 | Llorean | By taking it out of "demos" and putting it into a piece of core functionality you're basically handing it to people as "how things work" |
| 23:32:18 | kugel | I really doubt that |
| 23:33:09 | Llorean | New users are very quick to jump to conclusions or make assumptions |
| 23:33:39 | Llorean | Saying "I really doubt that" doesn't change the fact that it's the sort of thing that's happened before and will happen again if you set up the conditions for it. |
| 23:33:59 | Llorean | People don't look around once they think they know the answer. |
| 23:34:00 | saratoga | so the argument is about how to load picture flow? |
| 23:34:17 | Mikachu | the argument is if it should be in the database menu before it can do anything useful |
| 23:34:25 | Llorean | saratoga: The argument is whether we should load it now, when it lacks any of the normal database playlisting functionality, or wait until it's actually done. |
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| 23:35:35 | saratoga | but it can start albums playing? |
| 23:36:23 | Llorean | Yes, and it can do that even if you run it from "Demos" |
| 23:36:44 | Llorean | Which is why I think there's no harm in not integrating it into the database until it actually works like the rest of the database. |
| 23:37:24 | Llorean | Some new users are going to jump straight to the shiny, find they can't do any playlisting and walk away thinking Rockbox is limited in that area. It's happened before because people didn't know about the context menu at all. |
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| 23:38:08 | saratoga | i think integrating it seems pretty safe now |
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| 23:38:23 | Llorean | saratoga: I still think it provides the potential to mislead new users. |
| 23:38:40 | kugel_ | I realize "commit early, commit often" isn't your thing. You'd rather commit not before things are set in stone. And we cannot improve later as it confuses user |
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| 23:39:10 | Llorean | kugel: No, I'd like us to not commit things we know in advance aren't how we intend them to work later on. |
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| 23:39:32 | Llorean | Especially when we have a release coming up very shortly. |
| 23:39:56 | saratoga | if thats your concern just enable it the day after the feature freeze |
| 23:39:59 | Llorean | Besides, the *only* part I'm against committing is adding it into the database menu |
| 23:40:19 | Llorean | I don't see how that prevents you from committing early *or* often |
| 23:40:35 | Llorean | It just prevents exposing likely-to-change behaviour to the user as "normal" |
| 23:40:48 | kugel | Are we at a point where "new users" prevent in-svn developement? |
| 23:40:57 | Llorean | What's it PREVENTING |
| 23:41:02 | Llorean | You can still work on the plugin. |
| 23:41:39 | Mikachu | you can add a setting 'use pictureflow in database' in the meantime? |
| 23:41:52 | Llorean | Seriously, every time we get into a discussion, you start throwing around ridiculous rhetoric like this. |
| 23:42:00 | MarcGuay | IMO it should at least do what the database can do already. What's the rush? |
| 23:42:14 | saratoga | this is pretty slick |
| 23:42:21 | saratoga | is there some easy way to get to the WPS from picture flow? |
| 23:42:27 | Llorean | MarcGuay: My point exactly. Once someone entering pictureflow is offered the same options as when entering the normal albums list, then enable it. |
| 23:42:45 | MarcGuay | That's where it should be heading anyway. |
| 23:42:48 | kugel | saratoga: not yet |
| 23:42:54 | Llorean | MarcGuay: until then, people can use the limited "demo" one from the demos menu. |
| 23:43:06 | Mikachu | saratoga: that's why Llorean doesn't want to enable it in the database yet, more or less |
| 23:43:11 | Llorean | It's not like it's not available to people, its just not being presented to them as "part of the normal database" |
| 23:43:20 | MarcGuay | I agree. It's a bit half-assed to throw something in just because it sort-of works. |
| 23:43:23 | kugel | so it cannot be added until it has *all* features the database currently has? |
| 23:43:44 | gevaerts | well, playlists are somewhat central to how rockbox works |
| 23:44:10 | MarcGuay | kugel: No one is saying they don't appreciate your efforts. |
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| 23:44:33 | MarcGuay | I'm sure we'd all like to see it happen. |
| 23:44:40 | Llorean | kugel: I'd say it needs to at least have the resume playback shortcut, and playlisting via context menu. |
| 23:44:56 | kugel | resume playback short cut? |
| 23:44:56 | Llorean | It needs to work as if it weren't a separate plugin from the user perspective. |
| 23:45:02 | Llorean | Press play? |
| 23:45:07 | Llorean | End up in the WPS |
| 23:45:16 | kugel | that would be nice, yes |
| 23:45:32 | amiconn | kugel: Today I found a bug which is related to the viewportified splash() |
| 23:45:52 | kugel | Can I find your bug report on FS? |
| 23:45:57 | Llorean | It shouldn't seem to the user that they've left the database, just are viewing it in a different way. It may not do all the filtering stuff tagnavi lets you do, but the playback related options should all be there. |
| 23:46:19 | amiconn | The shutdown splash is supposed to be shown on an all-empty screen. This used to magically work when splash() updated the whole screen, as the screen is just cleared beforehand, but not updated |
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| 23:47:03 | kugel | is has to be like that? |
| 23:47:05 | Llorean | soap: How'd the battery benches go? |
| 23:47:13 | amiconn | It only caused my attention because on mono and greyscale targets, lcd_update_rect() updates a little more than specified, unless the rectangle matches the pixel block boundaries |
| 23:47:28 | amiconn | Yes, it is supposed to |
| 23:47:33 | saratoga | does picture flow not turn off the screen? |
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| 23:47:55 | kugel | the shutdown code needs to be fixed that |
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| 23:48:08 | amiconn | Yes, it needs to issue an extra lcd_update() |
| 23:48:09 | kugel | but I can't really understand why it should work like that |
| 23:48:38 | * | bluebrother wouldn't like to see pictureflowin the core |
| 23:48:38 | saratoga | aside from the lcd sleep issue, jpeg and this patch make pictureflow a lot more useful then i'd realized |
| 23:48:59 | saratoga | keeping it as a plugin seems to make the most sense |
| 23:49:15 | saratoga | though maybe giving plugins more control over the playback engine would be a good idea |
| 23:49:15 | Llorean | bluebrother: IIUC it's not in the core, the plugin is just called from the database. |
| 23:49:38 | amiconn | (1) Ta make it clear that nothing else can happen once shutdown started, (2) to clean up possible mess from before (e.g. overlapping splash on recorder v1) |
| 23:50:08 | Llorean | Ideally it'd be nice if plugins could be passed the results of a database filter, and return their own results to be passed further down the filter chain, but that's something that can clearly wait for later since it's more significant. |
| 23:50:26 | bluebrother | Llorean: well, I merely just wanted to point out that this "we'd all like to see that happens" is wrong. And I wouldn't like to see pictureflow in a half-working integration as plugin either |
| 23:50:46 | Llorean | But I really do think the minimum is the basic playback functions (stop, resume on players that normally offer it int the list, same with volume on players that offer that, and playlisting options via context menu) |
| 23:50:49 | saratoga | i wouldn't call this half working, its quite functional |
| 23:51:10 | bluebrother | saratoga: half-working integration ;-) |
| 23:51:34 | kugel | I think pictureflow already uses the standard context keymaps, so it would just be a matter of implementing handlers |
| 23:54:02 | kugel | and playback functions can be added via the playback control menu |
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