#rockbox 2009-06-10

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#rockbox log for 2009-06-10

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00:33:54	funman	bertrik: did you have a look at clip button driver? else i could do it tonight
00:34:51	stripwax	saratoga - (still online?) - here's your wma profile: http://pastebin.com/d39516a44 192kbps (via the standard test_codec wma example file)
00:35:38	bertrik	funman, I should be asleep right now, so I won't work on it anymore today/otnight
00:35:42	stripwax	again I've kept the mdct_backwards split into the different steps , so slightly different from regular build but that should just be a level of granularity thing, shouldn't affect totals
00:36:26	stripwax	the mdct accounts for almost exactly 50% of the ticks spent in wma decode
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00:40:54	stripwax	Looking at the profile makes me realise how complex vorbis bitstream decode/setup is :( almost everything in wma is presumably inlinable
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00:44:22	stripwax	Curiously, tremor basically unchanged after taking out the division in render_line - here's the tremor profile (render_line is inlined so shows as floor1_inverse2). http://pastebin.com/d214b0f00
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01:15:56	funman	when reading a keyscan matrix, we must wait a bit after setting the row and before reading the column. but could we wait too long ? and the signal would not mean anything
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02:04:42	stripwax	saratoga - ok, figured it out. looks like gcc is adding instrumentation to inline functions! so we call MULT31_SHIFT15 a bunch of times, the instrumentation gets added at the 'call' and 'return' of that function (which also gets inlined), and the stats get added to the render_line stats count .. sigh
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02:05:18	stripwax	so really we want to tell gcc to not add instrumentation calls for inlined functions. I'm pretty sure it didn't used to do that, maybe that was for an older version of gcc
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02:06:55	stripwax	If I do that for tremor [and tell gcc to not instrument a bunch of functions, but, manually, using __attribute__((no_instrument_function))] I get a much more sane and more expected profile result.
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02:13:44	saratoga	stripwax: can you post it?
02:13:51	stripwax	saratoga - here. http://pastebin.com/m7ec891ab. mdct_butterflies =20%, decode_packed_block=16.3%, decode_packed_entry_number=9.89%,.. floor1_inverse2 is just 0.5% as you observed.
02:14:27	stripwax	Given the number of "calls" to decode_packed_block and decode_packed_entry_number, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those are counting inlined functions as calls to same also.
02:15:11	saratoga	looking at the wma results doesn't help too much, since its half MDCT and half the decode function
02:15:42	saratoga	i'll have to do it the old fashioned, comment out code and run test_codec
02:16:31	stripwax	sigh, yeah, decode_xxx probably picking up bitreverse inline
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02:16:41	stripwax	saratoga - aree, wma results not super useful..
02:16:50	stripwax	^agree
02:17:14	saratoga	i bet bitstream and huffman decode takes up much of that time, but its all inlined or preprocessor macros
02:17:18	stripwax	Best way to get better profiling is to __attribute__((noinline)) lots of code. I don't know wma codec well enough to know what's worth doing
02:17:25	stripwax	oh, well, there you go :)
02:18:03	saratoga	i can compute the cost by commenting out loops, counting how many times they run, and then dividing
02:18:40	stripwax	only if you still get valid codec behaviour when you comment out the loops..? I can't see that as an easy way to assess huffman decode speed
02:19:14	saratoga	good point, that'll probably break for things that touch the bitstream
02:21:38	saratoga	its good to know decode_exp_vlc uses no CPU time though
02:22:41	saratoga	the loop labeled "/* parse spectral coefficients : just RLE encoding */" is the only place in decode_block that possibly be using much CPU time, so I guess profiling WMA isn't terribly important
02:25:34	saratoga	whats funny is almost the entire codec is enclosed in if(channel_coded) blocks, so I guess theres some WMA file out there that needs an MDCT and about 300 lines of parsing code to play
02:26:59	stripwax	hey .. we use little-endian arm right? or big?
02:27:13	saratoga	little on all targets I think
02:27:33	saratoga	at least all supported, i think there was an in progress port at one point that was BE
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02:31:48	stripwax	ok, good to know that letoh32 should be a nop on most targets
02:34:33	saratoga	we should probably fix the tabs in tremor
02:34:49	saratoga	i asked in the vorbis channel and they're apparently not supposed to be there
02:34:56	saratoga	so no sense trying to preserve them in our fork
02:35:11	stripwax	which tabs?
02:35:33	saratoga	codebook.c
02:35:36	saratoga	amoung others
02:35:52	stripwax	can't say I'd noticed them
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02:36:24	saratoga	i guess you have your editor set to 2 spaces per tab then
02:36:30	saratoga	"Any tabs are there only because xiphmont can't figure out how to configure emacs."
02:36:54	stripwax	ok, this is finally believable: http://pastebin.com/m5884fce9
02:37:23	saratoga	what did you change?
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02:39:15	stripwax	as I said - peppering the code with __attribute__((no_instrument_function)) around most of the inline code - _adv_halt, bitrev12, bitreverse, ogg_look, ..
02:39:23	stripwax	and all of asm_arm.h too
02:39:46	stripwax	so call (and tick) counts don't count calls to inline functions and attribute them to the calling function
02:40:34	stripwax	otherwise the resulting code spent more time executing the profiling entry/exitpoint than actually executing the inlined code => crazy stats
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02:46:57	saratoga	any objection to fixing the stupid inconsisten tabulation in tremor's codebook.c?
02:47:11	saratoga	its a mix of tabs and spaces, not all of which are the same number of characters
02:49:50	stripwax	none from me
02:50:36	stripwax	hrm, where is _ilog (with the _ prefix) defined?
02:50:42	stripwax	anyway, enough for now, good night!
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03:55:52	flounder	um, hello?
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03:57:40	La-Naraja	Hello!
03:58:20	La-Naraja	flounder!
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03:58:27	La-Naraja	mis amigo!
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03:58:47	La-Naraja	Yo Flounder!
03:58:58	La-Naraja	Yo Perezoso!
03:59:08	flounder	?
03:59:23	flounder	do i win?
03:59:28	La-Naraja	Yes!
03:59:36	La-Naraja	10000 euros!
03:59:54	cool_walking_	Is this leading up to something to do with Rockbox?
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04:00:04	La-Naraja	rockbox is great, Isnt it?
04:00:05	perezoso	como estas puta?
04:00:07	perezoso	hola
04:00:10	perezoso	no me gusta....
04:00:16	perezoso	me gusta facebook
04:00:27	La-Naraja	tu es eestupido!
04:00:34	La-Naraja	es grande!
04:00:59	flounder	stop w/ the spainglish
04:01:05	flounder	we is not in scool any mor
04:01:12	flounder	im too lazy to remember
04:01:19	perezoso	it's big?
04:01:19	La-Naraja	Rockbox es grande, dos!!
04:01:34	La-Naraja	Oh!
04:01:42	La-Naraja	i 4 got!
04:02:00	cool_walking_	Please don't spam this channel. It is logged, and we don't want people to have to scroll through your spam. Try #rockbox-community
04:02:26	La-Naraja	did u get the summer reading? @cool_walking, Go Away!
04:02:35	perezoso	uhm... grande is bid bandejo
04:02:39	flounder	um, Laex, do u know wut this cool walking guy is talkin about?
04:02:44	flounder	i is confuzzled
04:02:56	La-Naraja	Just ignore him!
04:03:01	flounder	and this pretzle guy?
04:03:13	perezoso	wtf? dude i hav no idea what your talking about alex...
04:03:23	La-Naraja	Hi!
04:03:56	La-Naraja	the pretzle guy is Arron Viskant!
04:04:06	La-Naraja	Fish guy is Stuart Wilson!
04:04:13	flounder	i dont know this Arron Pretzle4!
04:04:18	cool_walking_	scorche, Bagder, Llorean: wake up.
04:04:41	flounder	hello Arron! Do i know u from anywhere???
04:04:41	La-Naraja	Shoot! Its the police!
04:04:46	La-Naraja	FHS
04:04:48	perezoso	perezoso means lazy idoit
04:04:54	La-Naraja	he goes to our school!
04:05:01	flounder	i got the lazy part..
04:05:06	perezoso	stuart... I've heard of u but i don't think I've met u
04:05:21	flounder	hmm, im Stuart Wilson. did i have u in any of my classes ever?
04:05:39	La-Naraja	Aaron is in Marching Band!
04:05:43	cool_walking_	saratoga, JdGordon, pixelma, GodEater? Any mods awake?
04:05:43	La-Naraja	maybe...
04:05:51	flounder	haha, get tht a lot, well more like people know me, but i swear iv nvr met them B4
04:05:59	flounder	well cool, now i know u
04:06:01	flounder	ish
04:06:10	La-Naraja	Cool_Walking_, Please go away?
04:06:29	La-Naraja	Aww, Making friends on Rockbok IRC!
04:06:54	safetydan	Please read topic. Off topic (i.e. not about Rockbox) chat belongs on another channel.
04:07:09	La-Naraja	Rockbox is great!
04:07:15	perezoso	lol wow man, don't be a kill joy
04:07:36	cool_walking_	I'm just being a move-joy. get the hell in another channel.
04:07:42	La-Naraja	Flounder and Perezoso, Say rockbox is great to get riid of the vermin!
04:08:08	flounder	Alex, why are you the orange?
04:08:13	perezoso	lol XPPPPP uhm actually I like aim, facebook and other things...
04:08:16	perezoso	but this works
04:08:28	La-Naraja	This is WAY more fun!
04:08:46	perezoso	y? it's just an anon chat with a fancy title
04:08:54	krazykit	this is an on-topic channel. please take off-topic chatter elsewhere
04:09:00	La-Naraja	The orange is simmilar to EsotericWisp, my previous name!
04:09:33	La-Naraja	We need to invite more people!
04:09:36	perezoso	sigh... what is the topic?
04:09:57	krazykit	La-Naraja, flounder, perezoso, this channel is a logged development and support channel. take your chatter somewhere else. it's not appropriate here.
04:10:19	La-Naraja	Seriously though, What is the topic?
04:10:30	perezoso	that's great
04:10:35	perezoso	answer the question
04:10:44	krazykit	read http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines
04:10:47	flounder	what IS the topic
04:10:53	La-Naraja	woo perezoso!
04:11:00	perezoso	what's the topic I don't give a fuck about guide lines
04:11:00	flounder	we will talk about it if ud simply tell us wut it is!!!
04:11:11	La-Naraja	Woo flounder!
04:11:14	flounder	noppe, WAAAAYYYY too lazy to read somthin from a link
04:11:36	La-Naraja	Can you cut and paste it?
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04:12:00	Llorean	Okay, one warning from me. This is an on-topic channel.
04:12:15	La-Naraja	we Love Rockbox!
04:13:02	La-Naraja	psst, flounder and perezoso, read my last chat and reply simmilar!
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04:18:40	Llorean	BUMBACL0T: Did you have a question about Rockbox?
04:19:18	BUMBACL0T	no, but i'm trying to join rockbox-community but im banned
04:19:32	BUMBACL0T	don't know why
04:20:07	Llorean	Then you should PM him, rather than coming in here and asking for him.
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07:39:39	Unhelpful	amiconn: am i right in thinking that ldrsh exists since at least arm v4 and provides a sign-extended load of a 16-bit value? i'm trying to get gcc to do a reasonable job on the IDCT functions in jpeg_load.c with a 16-bit workspace, and some values it loads with ldrsh and uses as-is, and for others, seemingly at random, it adds sign-extension instructions, usually mov r0, r0, lsl #16; mov r0, r0, asr #16, or uxth if it's available :/
07:41:06	Unhelpful	ideally, i'd like it to use shift/add sequences when those make sense, and native multiply when that does. it can't get this right with a 32-bit or 16-bit workspace array, and of course on the 32-bit array there's no way to tell it that values are already sign-extended 16-bit. :/
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08:01:29	amiconn	Unhelpful: yes
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08:04:26	Unhelpful	any idea why gcc would use ldrh, and then later throw in sign-extension? i can't really figure out how to get it not to do so, though i'm not entirely sure that i want to. it certainly doesn't look smart.
08:06:31	amiconn	Well it's gcc, what do you expect? ;\
08:06:42	Unhelpful	...especially weird, i'm pretty sure at least one of these uxth instructions is completely pointless, as it's the sum of two products that have been calculated with smulbb
08:07:13	Unhelpful	so, basically, fixing it will mean hand asm, or else taking the gcc asm and cleaning it up. :/
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08:07:54	amiconn	Why is that instruction pointless?
08:09:44	Unhelpful	amiconn: isn't that 16x16->32 multiplication? it's also just done an asr 11 on the value, which would only work properly at all if it's already 32-bit signed. and then it sign-extends it...
08:11:41	Unhelpful	i did look at our datasheets page for an ARM programming manual, but only found http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/um_s3c2440a_rev10.pdf
08:11:48	amiconn	Yes it is, meaning the result can exceed the range of a 16 bit value. Adding another such value won't change that, and neither will an asr 11 (32-11=21)
08:11:58	amiconn	Also, uxth is unsigned
08:14:32	Unhelpful	hrm... so i see, the shift it's using in that particular case is lsl, lsr on another arm version. that makes even less sense, nothing in that function is unsigned :/
08:15:01	amiconn	http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp Click ARM architecture -> ARMv5 Architecture Reference Manual
08:15:21	Unhelpful	you're right, though, thinking about it gcc can't know that the asr 11 will always have a 16-bit result (though i do)
08:15:21	amiconn	There's a link to the PDF; you need to accept an eula in order to download it
08:15:45	Unhelpful	hence its non-presence on our datasheets page :/
08:19:02	Unhelpful	i suppose if i want the generated code to express things that i am unable to tell gcc about i'll need to edit it myself ;/
08:19:33	amiconn	There's a reason why the mpeg2 idct is coded in asm for coldfire and arm...
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08:27:06	Unhelpful	it would seem that the major changes to make here are to do the sign extension on load, and to skip any explicit sign extension of results that i know to be 16-bit values. the 8-point version gets a bit uglier, because it does enough work to need to spill some constants to the stack :/
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08:49:38	GodEater	cool_walking_: for future reference, I have no powers in here - only in -community. Policy decision I'm afraid. Ops in here are few and far between - a problem I've raised before, but which still exists.
08:51:28	cool_walking_	Right-o
08:53:20	GodEater	I've just rechecked the list actually, and it's woefully out of date :(
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09:07:41	GodEater	(Staff only I'm afraid kids)
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09:29:58	Unhelpful	amiconn: i'm guessing i need the manual for the specific core in question if i want to know about things like cycles counts, stages of execution, etc?
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09:53:07	pixelma	about this little episode in the European night hours... I guess one option is also to get freenode staffers' attention (although I don't know if that was tried). But I agree that there could be a few more ops around.
09:55:13	Unhelpful	hrm, a hand-coded ARMv5 version could also the t/b flags to SMULxy to load two of its constants at once
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09:56:51	scorche	also, freenode staff wouldnt do anything, as they are not on the access list of this channel
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09:58:48	pixelma	or logbot gets op rights again. I thought freenode staff would have the power to overrule this (and I thought I read somewhere to ask freenode staff if you have problems with trolls)
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09:59:47	gartral	theres a typo on RockboxUtilityDevelopment page, onder the resolving mountpoints graph, "disc" should be "disk" shouldn't it?
09:59:54	scorche	Zagor: i think it might be nice to let logbot allow colorcodes before the next commit =P
09:59:56	pixelma	oy
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10:00:54	scorche	because it is the commit bot...
10:01:16	Zagor	yeah but do we really want color from it? since that means we have to allow annoying color from everyone
10:01:22	scorche	and colors (and formatting such as bolding) helps readability
10:01:39	Mikachu	if nick ~= CIA.* ..
10:01:40	scorche	we dont have to allow color from everyone =)
10:02:18	scorche	pixelma: technically they can, but they see it as a channel problem and not a network problem if a spammer is in just one channel to protect "channel rights"...they wont interfere unless freenode-staff is added to the access list or it is a network concern
10:02:59	pixelma	aha, good to know...
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10:05:53	gartral	scorche: i'm sure you have good reason, but what was he banned for? trolling?
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10:06:33	scorche	that is just a name ban which he knows how to evade and likely will, but meh
10:07:00	gartral	but why was he banned?
10:07:10	scorche	does it matter?
10:07:22	gartral	not really... just curious
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10:10:57	gartral	scorche that and it helps others understand the rules of the channel if you state why you banned someone.. but as you say, it really doesnt matter
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10:11:38	scorche	gartral: i thought the rules listed in the topic helped others understand the rules...
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10:12:30	Zagor	scorche: I turned off colour kick in logbot now
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10:12:49	scorche\|sh	ok
10:13:19	Mikachu	how would logbot help with the three earlier?
10:13:20	gartral	theres a typo on RockboxUtilityDevelopment page, under the resolving mountpoints graph, "disc" should be "disk" shouldn't it? or am I wrong?
10:14:28	pixelma	Mikachu: a few more people are allowed to use logbot to kick (ban) someone
10:14:34	Mikachu	okay
10:15:09	scorche	ban as well?
10:15:16	GodEater	gartral: depends where you're from on how you spell "dis[ck]"
10:15:54	cool_walking_	I always thought everythink was "disk", except CD which is "disc".
10:16:01	cool_walking_	*everything
10:16:17	GodEater	which might well be the case in .au ;)
10:16:18	gartral	GodEater: /me has the same thought as cool_walking_
10:16:54	GodEater	they're more interchangeable in the UK
10:18:12	Mikachu	wiktionary says disk is usually used for magnetic disks and disc for optical discs
10:18:24	cool_walking_	So it sounds like ours should be used then, since it's most compatible
10:18:50	GodEater	except that Rockbox uses British English
10:19:13	cool_walking_	But you said they're interchangeable, so you could use either - which is a superset of our method.
10:19:18	Mikachu	i'm pretty sure it doesn't matter
10:19:23	GodEater	me too
10:19:31	GodEater	I'm just curious to see how long they'll keep arguing ;)
10:19:46	Mikachu	doesn't that make you a troll? :)
10:19:56	gartral	meh.. i'll just commit the change, if someone disagrees, they can revert :)
10:22:17	gartral	whats the difference beteen save, and quietsave?
10:22:31	gartral	s// beteen/between
10:23:17	cool_walking_	IIRC quiet save doesn't show up as a separate revision - it's bundled into the previous one. I think it tells you that somewhere near the button.
10:23:40	gartral	no, that's minor change..
10:23:52	cool_walking_	oh
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10:26:56	gartral	Mikachu: so if I were to click the minor change box, and hit quiet save, would they cancel eachother out? ;)
10:27:10	Mikachu	probably not
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15:41:38	GodEater	afternoon
15:41:57	Sajber^	whats up? :)
15:42:13	GodEater	the opposite of down
15:42:17	Sajber^	does anyone know the status on the zvm port btw...is it dead? :/
15:42:23	Sajber^	GodEater: :)
15:43:34	LambdaCalculus37	Sajber^: Only one person is really working on the ZVM port, and he has other things to take care of as well.
15:43:36	evilnick_7	Sajber^: There was a recent commit for that target: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=21209
15:44:09	Sajber^	evilnick_7: ive seen that...but it didnt help much
15:44:14	Sajber^	LambdaCalculus37: aww :(
15:44:39	Sajber^	evilnick_7: was just one small change :P
15:45:16	evilnick_7	Well, between that and the Wiki, that's all the information that I know on that port.
15:45:27	Sajber^	k :/
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15:57:57	Sajber^	LambdaCalculus37: who usally works on the zvm port then? :/
15:58:11	Sajber^	LambdaCalculus37: do you know when hes coming back?
15:59:08	LambdaCalculus37	Sajber^: mcuelenaere started the work, but please don't go bothering people who also have other things to do.
15:59:24	Sajber^	LambdaCalculus37: i wont..im just wondering :)
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16:23:59	Torne	linuxstb: I've updated the IpodPatcher wiki page explaining the four different ways Rockbox can be installed, the advantages/disadvantages of each, and a warning that it's your own fault if you screw it up. Does it look ok?
16:24:14	Torne	or anyone else that knows about ipods, for that matter
16:26:45	*	GodEater goes to look
16:27:07	linuxstb	Torne: The statement "Rockbox boots over 2 seconds faster" may not be true for all ipods. I would simply say "Rockbox boots faster (e.g. X seconds compared to Y seconds on ipod XXX)"
16:27:16	Torne	..that's very true
16:27:24	Torne	ok, i'll amend the timing statements to clarify
16:27:39	Torne	the relative timings should be at least in the same order for all of them
16:27:48	linuxstb	Torne: Also, does the bootloader now look in .rockbox for apple_os.ipod? I thought it just looked in the root.
16:27:54	Torne	it looks in both
16:27:56	Torne	it always has
16:28:03	Torne	i think.
16:28:07	Torne	mine's in .rockbox anyway :)
16:28:08	*	Torne checks
16:28:35	linuxstb	I'm almost certain it never used to. That may of course have been changed.
16:29:04	Torne	yah, i'm checking if i changed it, or if it was the case before my diff
16:29:04	linuxstb	But that's a nicer location anyway, so if it works, that's fine.
16:29:30	Torne	it looks in both even before my change
16:29:42	Torne	it may not have done at some earlier point
16:29:51	Torne	but it uses the same load_firmware function as rockbox.ipod which checks both.
16:30:32	linuxstb	Ah, OK. Then it was probably an unintentional change in behaviour ;)
16:31:48	Torne	since the mists of time, it seems
16:31:57	Torne	it's commented as "eitehr in .rockbox or the root" quite a long way back
16:32:06	Torne	anyway, that's ok then
16:32:26	linuxstb	Using plugins/codecs from a more recent version of Rockbox shouldn't cause crashes, just "incompatible version" error messages.
16:32:31	Torne	aha
16:32:40	linuxstb	Torne: Yes, it seems it's just my buggy memory.
16:32:40	Torne	i'll just say "problems"
16:33:05	linuxstb	Or say that the Rockbox version may be incompatible with the plugins and codecs from the more recent version.
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16:37:16	Torne	ok, updated references to "faster" to be in relative terms, with the measurements from my ipod bracketed
16:37:39	Torne	and changed that text to "may cause compatibility problems with the files in .rockbox"
16:38:33	Torne	GodEater: does it make sense to you as well?
16:38:42	GodEater	yep reads fine to me
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16:39:28	Torne	at least it's documented soemwhere now then :)
16:40:00	Torne	but not somewhere where people will randomly stumble across it who are unlikely to know what they're doing
16:41:34	Torne	unrelated question: would it be mad for me to try and write a screen->screen blit function for pluginlib? similar to the scrolling functions that are there?
16:41:49	Torne	(that code is ifdef'ed to the point of Serious Scariness)
16:42:35	Torne	the more of the frotz output code i port the more apparent it becomes that keeping track of waht's been printed and reprinting it is a huge pain in the butt that will use quite a bit of memory
16:42:46	Torne	and the only reasno to do that is to support scrolling, there's no need for it to ever read the data back otehrwise
16:42:55	Torne	so blitting it across the framebuffer would be 'nicer'. :)
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16:46:29	notlistening	are there any responsible for the rbutility
16:48:23	*	rasher points pixelma towards FS #10305
16:49:36	GodEater	notlistening: it's better just to ask your question
16:50:45	notlistening	right i have written the first verions of the SAPI cli for the utility and wanted adivise from those that work on the utility wha tto do with it
16:51:11	GodEater	submit a patch to Flyspray ideally
16:52:15	notlistening	right can you add attatchments on those?
16:52:32	notlistening	:P silly questions ;)
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16:54:45	pixelma	rasher: thanks, but someone should remind him of a full real name (and I probably won't use it unaltered)
16:55:45	pixelma	hmm... I somehow think "Absolute Point" doesn't sound very descriptive in English already
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16:56:07	evilnick_7	pixelma: It means nothing to me
16:59:32	amiconn	Torne: The scrolling actually isn't very difficult; the ifdefing is just due to the various framebuffer formats
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17:00:15	Torne	yes, i've had a look
17:00:22	Torne	the problem i have is i need to scroll only part of the screen
17:00:35	Torne	usual case would be "all but the top N lines"
17:00:42	Torne	but it might also be arbitrary rectangular regions :)
17:01:06	Torne	i could do it for my 16bit lcd on my player quite easily but i dunno that i could do the versions for all the weird packed lcds..
17:01:51	pixelma	evilnick_7: it's one of the two touchscreen modes (for the controls) - you either have a 3x3 grid of the screen where each part serves as a button , or (in the other mode) I guess you point directly on the menu entry. Just in case you have a better suggestion... but maybe it's not very good to change it now
17:02:21	rasher	Yeah, I'd rather we didn't. It's not used on release targets anyway
17:02:25	pixelma	there won't be any touchscreen targets in the release anyways
17:03:09	amiconn	Oh, and the bitshift stuff is asm optimised for SH1 and coldfire.
17:03:15	Torne	yeah
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17:03:49	Torne	anyway, if i did write a generic "blit rectangular region" function for pluginlib for the ones i can figure out, would someone have a look at it and maybe imlpement it for the lcd models i can't figure out? :)
17:04:12	amiconn	Partial scroll is somewhat complex for packed pixel formats, as some bytes of a bit needs to be shifted and the others need to be kept
17:04:14	amiconn	But it's doable
17:04:41	Torne	yeah, i can see where taht would suck :)
17:05:03	amiconn	xlcd_scroll_rect_*()
17:05:26	Torne	i'm wondering if you want scroll_rect or just a generic blit for rectangular regions
17:05:34	Torne	i'm not sure if a generic blit is actually more effort or not
17:05:35	amiconn	*bits of a byte, of course
17:05:36	evilnick_7	pixelma: So, in context, it is understandable (as being the opposing option to the grid system) but if/when there's a touchscreen target for release it should be changed (imho)
17:05:43	Torne	it's not for non-packed formats
17:05:47	Torne	but it might be for packed? not sure
17:06:15	gevaerts	Torne: IIRC a generic blit would also help in porting http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/
17:06:32	Torne	yes, that'd be nice :)
17:06:34	Torne	those puzzles rock
17:06:34	amiconn	Generic blit in what way?
17:06:46	Torne	amiconn: copy a rectangular region to any other rectangular region
17:06:50	amiconn	If source and dest don't overlap, you can already do this
17:06:50	Torne	framebuffer->framebufer
17:06:53	Torne	rather than just scroll
17:07:02	Torne	which implies movement on just one axis
17:07:14	Torne	you can?
17:07:32	Torne	well obviosuly it's possible. but is there a function for it that takes the framebuffer formats into account?
17:07:39	pixelma	evilnick_7: if we can find something better, it can be changed after the release I think
17:07:56	amiconn	lcd_bitmap_part() with the framebuffer as the source as well
17:08:29	amiconn	Rockbox bitmaps are in framebuffer format, so this should work. Results are of course undefined if source & dest overlap
17:08:38	Torne	ah :)
17:08:42	Torne	yeah, i see
17:08:44	Torne	didn't think of that
17:08:57	Torne	but yeah, it's not sufficient for my case as i am scrolling text
17:09:03	Torne	so there is going to be mostly overlap
17:09:35	amiconn	Yeah, and overlap needs to take direction into account, to decide whether to copy forwards or backwards
17:09:57	amiconn	A generic blit would be more complex than dedicated scroll functiuons
17:10:22	Torne	for packed formats, anyway
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17:10:35	Torne	for 16bit it's all trivial :)
17:11:08	Torne	what i mean is would there be a worthwhile performance advantage to having dedicated scroll functions
17:11:47	Torne	s'all a tradeoff between what i can manage to do and peformance, i guess
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17:39:31	notlistening	domonoky, hey got the very first version of the SAPI cli for ya, should i post against the bug of flyspray or would you like a different way to test it?
17:40:27	domonoky	posting it on flyspray would be good. But i wont have time to try it, till next week.
17:40:44	domonoky	and better make a new task in flyspray.
17:40:59	notlistening	no worries it will keep
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17:41:32	notlistening	i am onto the next version of it for performance issues under wine so i will work ahead on it
17:42:44	notlistening	if you want it, do you want the code and tools needed to wrap it on the rockbox svn?
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18:00:01	domonoky	notlistening: yes, everything needed to build it (without exes or downloadable libs)
18:01:22	notlistening	okay it uses some exes to wrap it are they allowed
18:04:14	notlistening	again no worries i understood what you said again, and a wiki page on how to wrap it, where to download the tools etc incase i get hot by a bus?
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18:24:26	domonoky	a wiki page would also be good.
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18:38:30	notlistening	domonoky, right it is on flyspray
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18:39:16	notlistening	domonoky, I will write a wiki when I get the nod from you that it is what you want
18:39:40	domonoky	i will take a look..
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18:43:54	domonoky	sapi-spk.exe -e gives some nice error output :-)
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18:45:20	domonoky	and i miss a option to poll all available voices, and to set the language. I guess -e sets the used voice ?
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18:47:20	domonoky	generating a .wav file works ! :-)
18:48:37	saratoga	stripwax: if bored, profile results for AAC would be interesting, since its the slowest of the MDCT codecs
18:48:50	domonoky	also i dont know if we can give unicode text to this tool via commandline. (dont know if you can give unicode text as parameters.
18:49:00	saratoga	though its got so many small function calls it may take some work to get meaningful profiles out of it
18:49:17	domonoky	notlistening: the other important thing is the question about licence .. :-)
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18:50:05	notlistening	-e ?
18:50:40	notlistening	lol i have not 100% proofed it yet
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18:52:24	notlistening	oh yeah well release it for windows and that fine, as is with rockbox a unser uses it under linux at their own discretion
18:53:13	notlistening	you can give unicode to it from my experience
18:53:57	domonoky	with licence, i meant how the tool is licenced. GPL ? does it use any other tools internally whith different licences ?
18:54:12	notlistening	but that is running in ubuntu with wine
18:54:38	notlistening	right i will have to check that for you
18:54:49	notlistening	it is using tcl
18:55:02	notlistening	tclkit is the engine
18:57:11	notlistening	http://www.equi4.com/tclkit/license.html
18:57:21	domonoky	tckkit is probably no problem. it has a very free licence (BSD/MIT)
18:58:19	notlistening	umm and it also uses tcom as an extension
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19:00:23	notlistening	let me check the source of that to see if he has included any licensing info
19:00:46	domonoky	it has, and it is fine :-)
19:01:32	domonoky	so with some extensions, its perfectly possible to use this tool in rbutil instead of the vb script.
19:01:33	notlistening	first majour issues out the way :D
19:01:46	notlistening	your call
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19:02:29	notlistening	i just wana use Linux for sapi :D
19:02:44	domonoky	:-)
19:03:41	notlistening	Should try to mod rbutil
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19:04:51	notlistening	* I try?
19:05:05	domonoky	notlistening: feel free to try it. using it as extra exe without using all the options should be very easy.
19:05:30	domonoky	only 2-3 extra lines in tts.cpp (TtsExes ) needed.
19:06:01	notlistening	cool, do it with static options for now
19:07:29	notlistening	at the moment the performane at lease under linuc is slow because of wine wrapping it but as i have not even run it under windows yet i will waitand ee under win
19:07:30	domonoky	just add it to the list at top of tts.cpp and add a template string at ~ line 104
19:08:10	notlistening	domonoky, now your making it too easy for me :D thank you very much
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19:11:16	notlistening	if i wanted to get involved with accessibility on rockbox who is best to contact, I am registered blind and can give a little bit of insight into things
19:13:09	notlistening	domonoky, if you were possibly going to provide an alternative to the current frontend of rbutil would that be a huge amount of work for someone?
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19:14:44	domonoky	notlistening: yes its probably much work. but it gets better, as we try to better seperate logic from the gui.
19:15:14	CIA-37	New commit by kugel (r21244): Fix FS #10101 and FS #8999. Buffering was stopped prematurely if a manual track skip occured in between, leaving the CPU boosted, because ...
19:15:24	domonoky	such a new frontend, would also have to use Qt for the backend (as thats deeply builtin) but could use another toolkit for the gui.
19:16:13	domonoky	notlistening: about getting involved. feel free to ask here or on mailing list. people are happy to help :-)
19:17:30	domonoky	it would be very good if we get some blind developers. :-)
19:18:03	notlistening	I will go for the mailing list as i keep track of that at the moment thanks again I will report what i can on the rbutil work when i get chance
19:18:53	domonoky	sure. have fun ! :-)
19:19:00	notlistening	you got one and my aim is to make this brilliant project accessible to as many as possible but so much of the HW stuff goes over my head so i started small :D
19:20:00	notlistening	the accessibility of the project pulled me in initially then the fascination with how shit hot some of the developers are
19:20:44	notlistening	anyways i will stop hogging the channel :D
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19:22:45	kugel	do we alrady have a ReleaseNotes34 page?
19:23:43	kugel	33*
19:24:29	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: I don't think we do. Want to write one up?
19:24:55	kugel	I created one now, but I mostly c&p from ReleaseNotes32
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19:29:49	kugel	what about HID btw?
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19:42:10	Llorean	What about HID?
19:42:29	evilnick_7	Would it be included in 3.3?
19:42:52	Llorean	I don't see any reason why not.
19:43:27	Llorean	At least within my personal testing, it works perfectly. I may not have all the facts, of course, but the only complaints I personally have about it are some slight keymapping issues and such, and those shouldn't really stop it from being part of the release.
19:43:56	CIA-37	New commit by mcuelenaere (r21245): Onda VX747: support FAT16
19:44:33	evilnick_7	Yeah, it works fine for me. The only possible issue (as you point out) is that the scrollwheel on my e280 controls the master volume on my laptop, not the volume control for the application playing the music (foobar2000) but I'm...
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19:45:59	evilnick_7	...not sure if that is due to my OS or foobar2000. Or some other factor I haven't considered.
19:46:14	Llorean	That's due to foobar2000
19:46:32	Llorean	The wheel on my iPod controls the master volume, or the volume in MediaPlayerClassic, depending on where focus is at the time.
19:46:55	Llorean	I think "select" as "mute" is a little unexpected, but that's not really a release issue.
19:47:36	evilnick_7	"mute" within the application or muted main volume?
19:47:51	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: done, did a bit less of C&P and more of writing something up than expected :)
19:48:16	Llorean	evilnick_7: I'm pretty sure that also depends on focus, but haven't tested.
19:48:30	Llorean	Well, focus, and whether the application recognizes the existence of media keys
19:49:31	evilnick_7	Is there any help I can offer for testing this feature out?
19:50:37	kugel	For hid, we should at least remove all the entries in the debug menus, or colapps them into a HID menu, or disable the debug menu altogether (combinations possible), IMO
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19:51:37	kugel	evilnick_230, Llorean: My multimedia keyboard controls the master volume too, I thought that was a HID limitation
19:51:59	kugel	with WMP, both wmp and master volume changed AFAIR
19:52:10	*	kugel didn't use wmp in a long time
19:53:20	Llorean	kugel: It depends on the application. If the application knows about the keys, it can prevent the master volume from changing. My keyboard's volume key and the Nano both work this way with MediaPlayerClassic for me.
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19:54:47	*	evilnick_7 is impressed that this works without requiring admin access on Windows
19:54:58	LambdaCalculus37	Was album art scaling added alongside JPEG AA support?
19:55:12	evilnick_7	Before, IIRC
19:55:29	LambdaCalculus37	But after 3.2 was released.
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19:55:50	LambdaCalculus37	Or was that before?
19:55:59	gevaerts	wasn't it before?
19:56:15	gevaerts	I seem to remember scaling going in near 3.1
19:56:41	evilnick_7	Major changes in version 3.1: 2008-12-09: Album art resizing.
19:57:01	evilnick_7	Just over 6 months ago!
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20:02:47	pixelma	weird, I have no problems only controlling the foobar2000 volume with my c200
20:03:21	pixelma	(tested on 2 computers)
20:04:49	pixelma	hmm... well I didn't watch the master volume - just that it changed the volume slider in foobar
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20:08:39	pixelma	the statement holds true though - no changes in master volume here, just in the application
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20:13:44	pixelma	also independent of focus
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20:19:00	evilnick_230	pixelma: Which OS are you running?
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20:19:48	amiconn	Changing the master volume would need to be set as a hotkey for the windows mixer
20:20:26	evilnick_230	pixelma: Would Home vs. Pro make a difference? (I don't know)
20:20:39	pixelma	could there be a difference if someone already has a multimedia keyboard? Mine aren't
20:21:25	pixelma	(maybe what amiconn said is already set up for those)
20:21:42	pixelma	evilnick_7: Pro here
20:23:45	evilnick_230	I'm running Win7 RC and have the same issues with the master volume being affected, not the application volume
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20:26:28	pixelma	does your keyboard already have multimedia keys?
20:27:29	evilnick_230	It (laptop) has multimedia keys but they're separate from the keyboard
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20:28:28	animatorgeek	Is there anyone here who can give me wiki edit access?
20:29:10	pixelma	evilnick_230: hmm... I could try on a PC with a multimedia keyboard on Friday, I could imagine that it makes the difference
20:29:14	animatorgeek	I'd like to add my results to the CFMod and RTCmod pages
20:29:24	pixelma	animatorgeek: what's your wiki name?
20:29:31	animatorgeek	DavidAJohnston
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20:31:32	evilnick_230	pixelma: Just tried another WinXP Pro SP2 machine without a multimedia keyboard and using WMP only the main volume is affected.
20:32:10	evilnick_230	Additionally, select mutes/unmutes but turning the wheel (e280) moves focus to the volume slider but doesn't increase or decrease the volume
20:34:31	animatorgeek	pixelma: are you able to give me edit access?
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20:35:02	pixelma	animatorgeek: yes, done
20:35:30	pixelma	promise not to spam :)
20:35:42	animatorgeek	Thank you, I won't :)
20:36:53	pixelma	evilnick_230: on first try I had a similiar effect with mute on foobar too but setting it up again (or something else I did) helped. Thought it was something I did wrong
20:37:36	evilnick_230	You reinstalled foobar?
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20:39:31	pixelma	nah, just deleted the keyboard shortcut for mute and recreated it
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21:10:47	pixelma	by the way, I thought you should add new users to the twiki user list in alphabetical order? I was just wondering why some were just appended to the end
21:11:40	gevaerts	hm, probably someone didn't realise
21:11:42	AlexP	I always spent ages getting it alphabetical! :)
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21:41:44	saratoga	whats the argument against putting the AMS frequency presets in SVN?
21:41:57	saratoga	personally I think they would be very useful for testing, current measurements, etc
21:43:40	funman	saratoga: why do we need 'presets' ?
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21:45:40	saratoga	funman: so people like me who want to do measurements can change things without having to ask someone to make me a patch to do it
21:46:59	funman	saratoga: individual frequencies can be changed already, it is simple enough to figure without a patch
21:47:42	FlynDice	funman: I find it an easier and more reliable way to change things around. If we have determined the "best" config then there's really no need but I have still been playing around
21:48:41	saratoga	i'm thinking of the PP situation where many years later we're still occasionally tweaking the clock settings, long after some of the people who wrote the code lost interest
21:48:46	saratoga	having the presets in is handy
21:49:48	funman	why those specific presets and not other frequencies then ?
21:50:01	bertrik	I think it's most important to have good comments and the least amount of "magic" values
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21:51:31	FlynDice	No particular reason besides those seemed to be what people were talking about. It's just a set of pre-tested values not relying on the "magic" as bertrik puts it which sometimes doesn't work correctly
21:51:37	funman	the current file could benefit some cosmetics (alignement, 80 columns limit)
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21:53:20	notlistening	funman, I got my raio working but posted a bug report on what seemed to happen, the OF was to blame and it still does not work on RB but sure it will :)
21:54:06	funman	FlynDice: i think we should rather make clear why we use these frequencies
21:54:49	bertrik	FlynDice, can you do some other tests to see if you can make the radio work?
21:55:55	FlynDice	bertrik: do you have something in mind or do you want me to use my"throw the garbage at it and see what sticks" method..;)
21:56:39	bertrik	I was thinking of increasing some other delays related to radio
21:57:43	funman	FlynDice: about the "248/62 synchronous bus" setting you used in your battery bench on the forum, is it in fs#10308 ?
21:57:50	bertrik	e.g. line 300 in firmware/driver/tuner/si4700.c
21:58:37	FlynDice	I tried lots of fm_delay values with no luck and other than that I would need some "coaching"
21:59:03	funman	bertrik: sleep() should take the same time despite clock freqs changes, so how could have r21088 broken it ?
21:59:14	funman	s/broken/changed/
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22:00:12	bertrik	FlynDice, could you increase the delay on line 300 (e.g. 3 times larger) in si4700.c?
22:00:39	FlynDice	funman: the 248/62 battery bench was svn with the final FS #10048 which defaulted to 248/62/62
22:01:30	funman	so is the blue line unmodified SVN ?
22:01:47	FlynDice	bertrik: I will give that a try but I have to go right now. I'll post results in the logs
22:01:49	bertrik	another thing to try is to add a iface->delay_thigh() after iface->scl_output() at the end of firmware/drivers/generic_i2c.c
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22:03:28	FlynDice	funman: the blue line should be the same as SVN just after FS #10048 was applied
22:03:53	funman	i thought it was with a patch :o
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22:05:04	FlynDice	I actually started it with kugel's lcd fifo patch and had to remove that and start all over so I was consistent ;)
22:05:07	*	JdGordon\| is surprised to see 10101 being closed/commited
22:05:57	FlynDice	late already gotta go
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22:27:20	bertrik	funman, your fsr/far patch looks nice
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22:28:38	Mikachu	hm, when i stop and resume now, it resumes the wrong playlist
22:30:07	Mikachu	opened a directory, then went to another and used the 'play next' option, pressed next, which removed the first track as it should, then held play to stop, pressed play again, and it resumed with the removed first track from the prev dir
22:30:44	funman	bertrik: it mostly needs checking each supported targets for MMU/MPU
22:35:37	funman	did anyone test fs#10309 ? storage has been reliable on my Fuze, but i'd like wider testing to make sure it fixes the 'random-looking' problems
22:35:56	Mikachu	i couldn't reproduce it though
22:36:05	FrankTM	funman: hold on while i read :p
22:36:47	FrankTM	any specific way to test?
22:37:32	funman	yes, patch & use, svn up, patch & use, svn up, patch & use
22:38:04	FrankTM	yes. but i'm not quite sure in difference i should notice
22:38:11	bertrik	funman, I applied it to my 1 GB clip with no ill effects so far (but not really thoroughly tested either)
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22:39:38	funman	FrankTM: just look for crashes (plugin won't load, music will stop after 1 second, rockbox won't boot)
22:40:34	FrankTM	well. nothing like that without those patches :P
22:43:11	pixelma	Mikachu: I can't follow your recipe description btw. (maybe a bit too shortened), I know though that e.g. Llorean reported problems with resuming a playlist with tracks added through "insert shuffled" (and I saw that once too, but didn't try to reproduce yet)
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22:51:04	Mikachu	pixelma: yeah i'm not sure if i did exactly what i think i did either :)
22:51:31	Mikachu	the error persisted even after i explicitly removed the first track and stopped and resumed though
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23:02:24	alx__909	hey there! i did a search on the website but couldnt find anything..
23:02:51	alx__909	is Rating songs going to be implemented into rockbox?
23:03:55	pixelma	you can already rate songs in Rockbox but it will only be used within its own database
23:04:50	alx__909	ooh nice to hear
23:05:29	alx__909	but there certainly must be a way of synching these tags with my local collection ;D
23:05:52	alx__909	do you know anybody who has this up and running?
23:06:31	alx__909	sorry not syncing tags but syncing ratings
23:07:30	funman	no
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23:08:33	pixelma	I don't know anyone. Thought there were some database related scripts somewhere in the forums though but don't know what those did (and what they didn't)
23:08:37	evilnick_230	I think that there may be a script for MediaMonkey that does this
23:09:00	webguest63	rockbox database keeps trippling entries, its says I have 5 of one song
23:09:51	webguest63	Is there a way to not have it do that when it is making a database.
23:09:52	webguest63	?
23:09:55	evilnick_230	webguest63: Try running the disktidy plugin (set to ALL) and then Initialize the database
23:10:15	webguest63	ok
23:10:27	scorche	webguest63: most often this is caused by some sort of hidden trash directory that your computer's operating system so it doesnt necessarily "delete" the file
23:10:47	evilnick_230	Initialize Database will remove what's already there so Export the modifications if you've been rating songs, or using playcounts
23:10:52	alx__909	evilnick_230 too bad, i am on amarok 1.4 ... i'd try mediamonkey if it weren't windows only^^
23:11:14	webguest63	wine miedamonkey.exe
23:11:51	evilnick_230	alx__909: The issue is that Rockbox is open-source so any music management program could sync up with it, but they don't seem to want to.
23:11:55	funman	it's not only related to trashes because i experiment the same thing without deleting songs
23:12:22	funman	i believe it's caused by updating the database, which will pick up songs already in it
23:12:32	webguest63	bu, I havent delted song I just instad rockbox and it just has doubles
23:13:09	alx__909	evilnick_230: the thing is, i am thinking about buying some sort of ipod or whatever (i currently use 1gb flash thingy) but only if i know for sure that i will be able to sync rating and playcount with my amarok database... you are saying that its not impossible right?
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23:13:44	scorche	webguest63: the method to get there varies depending on which device you have, but try going to the context menu and "view track info"...then you can see the actual path/location of the file and see wher each duplicate entries point to
23:14:01	evilnick_230	alx__909: It's definitely not impossible, but the onus is on the coders of the management software to support the Rockbox database structure - syncing to it etc.
23:14:23	evilnick_230	s/management/music management/
23:15:45	alx__909	argh, then chances are low that i get what i want... amarok ppl have abandoned 1.4 =(
23:15:53	webguest63	scorche: It is the same file with double entries in the database
23:16:12	webguest63	its isnt a new file or a diffrent flie its ther same file, I botted under the Apple os and there arent any doubles
23:16:51	webguest63	nd now it is stuck cleaning the boot folder
23:16:54	evilnick_230	webguest63: Could you take care to spell words correctly? It makes deciphering your replies quite tricky
23:17:15	webguest63	Im sorry, I am legally blind I cant see the keyborad
23:17:24	webguest63	I go off of memory and braille
23:18:16	gevaerts	webguest63: the Apple OS uses its own database
23:18:19	alx__909	evilnick_230 so if i want sync of rating/playcount really bad i'll have to stick to ipods original firmware (which is well integrated with lots of players i suppose) right?
23:18:29	pixelma	if deleted files end up in some trash folders I don't think the Apple firmware would be able to find them, so that's not a good indicator
23:18:30	evilnick_230	webguest63: Then you can understand that for other users who rely on screenreading software it's an issue. Maybe just get it read back to you before hitting Enter?
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23:19:14	evilnick_230	alx__909: Either that or use some scripting-fu and code it yourself. I would honestly not be able to use the iPod OF without wanting to break things very soon after :)
23:19:28	webguest63	That sounded very prejudice :/
23:20:11	evilnick_230	webguest63: I meant get your screenreading software to read your reply before hitting enter.
23:21:40	webguest63	Anyway, So is there a way that I van edit the database so that the doubles go away, its says I have 4,000 songs when I only have 346
23:22:42	evilnick_230	There is no way that I know of to directly edit the database. But if you want to recreate it from scratch then Initialise it, as I said.
23:23:30	webguest63	I did that and they are still there.
23:23:35	webguest63	It didnt changeany of it
23:23:40	webguest63	* chngeany
23:23:43	webguest63	fff
23:24:16	funman	webguest63: try deleting database*.tcd and initializing again
23:28:16	webguest63	ok done
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23:28:22	webguest63	I am turing on the ipod nano now.
23:28:31	webguest63	ok done
23:28:49	pixelma	did you try running the Disktidy plugin before (unfortunately plugins aren't voiced currently)?
23:31:47	*	pixelma looks into midgey\|w's direction
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23:35:55	webguest09	hi
23:36:04	webguest09	I was web 63
23:36:13	evilnick_230	welcome back :)
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23:36:43	webguest09	it now says I have 6,895 songs
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23:38:25	funman	delete the database*.tcd files over usb from the OF
23:38:38	evilnick_230	That's very strange as the database*.tcd files ARE the database.
23:39:05	webguest09	Ok I ran another disktidy and now I have 888 files
23:39:21	webguest09	but everything is now x$
23:39:25	webguest09	* 4
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23:39:47	gevaerts	webguest09: have you recently checked the filesystem?
23:40:29	webguest09	Wha do you mean?
23:40:54	bertrik	FlynDice, nice to see you got almost 16 hours on your e200v2!
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23:41:41	evilnick_230	webguest09: If you're running Windows then run chkdisk (from a command prompt) on the iPod
23:41:54	evilnick_230	If linux then use fsck
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23:44:00	webguest09	There were no errors.
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23:45:55	webguest09	How does rockbox read for songs, If I was to make a folder called 'Music' will it reaqd the song sform it?
23:46:12	evilnick_230	webguest09: OK, can you go to System > Rockbox Info please, and then click the centre button
23:46:50	webguest09	ok, What do you need?
23:47:06	evilnick_230	webguest09: It searches through all directories unless they have a database.ignore file in them (i.e. ".rockbox" does) - or unless they are a subfolder of that with a database.unignore file in there.
23:47:53	webguest09	I think it was itunes that did this its synced my sister library to my ipod
23:48:07	webguest09	I prolly have to rid all of my music files the reupload
23:48:11	evilnick_230	webguest09: Aha! That could be the problem.
23:48:45	webguest09	My friend just said that to me while I was on the phone with him, He had the same issue
23:49:00	evilnick_230	Could you delete the "ipod_control" folder (which may be hidden by default) or copy the database.ignore file from the .rockbox directory into there.
23:49:24	webguest09	But that has all my music and I am not at home..
23:49:36	Mikachu	then do the second alternative :)
23:50:09	webguest09	fff, Ill clear it D:
23:50:21	evilnick_230	webguest09: If all your music is there, then Rockbox seems to be doing its job - you can delete your sister's music from iTunes when you are at a computer
23:50:49	webguest09	ut my music and her music are both now on my ipod and we have the same taste D:
23:51:36	webguest09	ill do a restore and then I will just make a Music folder, and a movies folder
23:51:44	evilnick_230	I'm getting confused here. So; how many music files do you definitely have on the iPod? Try plugins > Applications > Stats
23:51:50	evilnick_230	(provided that is voiced)
23:52:26	webguest09	222
23:52:42	evilnick_230	That plugin searches the disk the same way the database does, and tells you how many music files are on the device
23:53:12	webguest09	Files: 1514 Music: 222 Dirs: 314
23:53:46	webguest09	Could Ipodlinux be causing this issue to?
23:53:58	evilnick_230	And you're getting over 6,000 in the database?
23:54:09	funman	doubles
23:54:13	webguest09	its at 888 now after I didnt a dicktidy
23:54:14	evilnick_230	Are you using the official Rockbox bootloader?
23:54:29	webguest09	Ye I am I overwrite the bootloader about an hou ago
23:55:39	webguest09	ill just redo it and If I have issues I will say something
23:55:40	webguest09	brb
23:55:45	evilnick_230	Right, well, if you need to get Rockbox support then we do insist that you use the official bootloader and builds - the reason being that iPL might set things up differently, so we need to use a known-good bootloader
23:56:10	evilnick_230	webguest09: I need to leave work now, but good luck with this - hope you get it working correctly.
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