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| 00:03:54 | pixelma | I just tested RbUtil a bit after reading the forums. I also see the "error 404" when hitting the "download" button in the manual tab (the "live" options, reading the PDF and open the HTML in the browser seem to be ok). And I wonder why it wants to save the downloaded files in the root of my player and doesn't let me specify it |
| 00:04:57 | pixelma | maybe there's reasoning behind that which I just can't see currently |
| 00:06:25 | pixelma | can I help tracing down the error? (bluebrother, domonoky) |
| 00:06:56 | bluebrother | pixelma: lemme check if I can reproduce it (I really need to get the user trace finished) |
| 00:07:11 | domonoky | pixelma: which target ? |
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| 00:07:21 | * | pixelma also spotted a small typo in the german "first installation" dialog box |
| 00:07:24 | pixelma | c200 |
| 00:08:01 | pixelma | somewhere in that sentence there is a "...umd das.." |
| 00:09:02 | pixelma | I mean the dialog box when first opening the Utility, not installing Rockbox |
| 00:10:04 | bluebrother | hmm, c200 manual downloads fine for me, both pdf and html |
| 00:10:07 | domonoky | downloading the c200 manual works fine for me. |
| 00:10:56 | pixelma | maybe one of the download servers then? |
| 00:11:25 | domonoky | but the manual for h120 doesnt work ! (manual is named manual-h100) |
| 00:12:41 | domonoky | manual for ipodmini1g also doesnt work. again naming issue. |
| 00:13:05 | pixelma | oh forgot to mention - tested version 1.2 and 1.2.1 on XP |
| 00:14:04 | domonoky | and there is more: iaudiom3, no manual available ? |
| 00:15:17 | pixelma | no. No manual available for the M3 (if I could only find out how to make the button tables have different amount of columns) |
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| 00:16:41 | pixelma | more or less "dynamically", without to much effort so that the code stays maintainable |
| 00:16:59 | notlistening | to make rbutil do i need qt4-dev-tools? |
| 00:17:53 | pixelma | domonoky, bluebrother: I also tested with my OndioFM and still get 404 when trying to download the manual |
| 00:18:33 | notlistening | I tried the e200 voice files and got a 505 error also not sure if that is related? |
| 00:18:36 | * | bluebrother curses the naming mess |
| 00:18:42 | bluebrother | we really need to clean that up |
| 00:18:49 | notlistening | *404 |
| 00:19:18 | bluebrother | possible but not necessarily. |
| 00:19:59 | bluebrother | though I think it's likely |
| 00:20:00 | * | domonoky tested again with the release binarys (instead of svn) and also get 404 |
| 00:20:22 | notlistening | well i will keep trying it and report as i go ;) |
| 00:20:27 | bluebrother | domonoky: still c200? |
| 00:20:41 | domonoky | yes, also others.. |
| 00:20:52 | pixelma | domonoky, bluebrother: I just saw that the Utility tells me "couldn't download -20090610.zip", so without the target string part |
| 00:21:10 | bluebrother | c200 stable just worked for me. |
| 00:21:22 | pixelma | err... "downloading -20090610.zip" |
| 00:21:34 | pixelma | and then the error message of course |
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| 00:22:33 | bluebrother | strange. |
| 00:22:49 | bluebrother | hmm, maybe it didn't finish downloading the build info? |
| 00:22:52 | domonoky | voice download is also broken because of the naming issue. (and its still broken in svn) |
| 00:22:55 | pixelma | (translated back from memory and missing some parts) but the point was that there is no target string |
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| 00:25:07 | pixelma | and the "detecting" box doesn't tell me which target it found, only the drive letter, but it is correctly displayed as "chosen target" |
| 00:26:00 | bluebrother | detecting box doesn't tell about the target? |
| 00:26:12 | notlistening | usb.h: No such file or directory on amke just tried getting libusb but have a few versions any ideas? |
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| 00:26:19 | pixelma | thought it would highlight the one it found |
| 00:26:37 | bluebrother | notlistening: you need the development package for libusb |
| 00:26:55 | notlistening | tried that umm ;) i sec |
| 00:27:09 | bluebrother | it does, but on windows it's hard to spot (it's hilighted in grey, not blue with the default windows theme) |
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| 00:27:16 | bluebrother | which is a bit awkward. |
| 00:27:45 | notlistening | ahh tell a lie i did not aaply my changes ;) |
| 00:27:45 | pixelma | oh, it does shortly but then goes back to the normal list, maybe I was just expecting something else |
| 00:29:08 | pixelma | should the target be displayed behind the drive letter then? |
| 00:29:43 | pixelma | after autodetection or when I chose one from the list |
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| 00:32:11 | notlistening | bluebrother, without using windows can i build a windows veriosn of rbutil? |
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| 00:35:30 | bluebrother | notlistening: in theory yes, but you need a cross-compiler plus a cross-compiled Qt |
| 00:35:49 | bluebrother | I've never done that myself though it's on my todo. Somewhere near the bottom though :) |
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| 01:25:34 | kugel | JdGordon|: why are you surprised? |
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| 01:29:25 | notlistening | how can i get more debg infor from rbutil when i am running it wuth a commandline based speech synth? |
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| 01:35:28 | JdGordon| | kugel: did you get any other feedback testing apart from that comment from me which obviously was no more than a first glance ok? |
| 01:36:42 | kugel | JdGordon|: martin ritter's comment, and the fact that I just can't reproduce it anymore (tried so for ~30 min on all of my targets) |
| 01:37:04 | JdGordon| | yes, but what about other problems it might cause? |
| 01:37:24 | kugel | I haven't noticed problems |
| 01:37:34 | JdGordon| | so? doesnt mean there arnt any |
| 01:38:01 | JdGordon| | playback is a bit too important/big to just commit a quick fix without fully making sure its safe |
| 01:38:19 | kugel | I'm quite confident the fix is proper, I'll take all blame if it isn't |
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| 01:39:23 | kugel | trying to reproduce it for 30min and using the player in every day use for 2 days without any problems is pretty much making sure imo. |
| 01:39:58 | kugel | every day use is to listen to music whenever I get the chance to it, some hours each day |
| 01:40:23 | JdGordon| | thats not testing at all.... |
| 01:41:18 | kugel | so have you tested it? |
| 01:41:28 | JdGordon| | no, i never said i did thouhg |
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| 01:41:44 | JdGordon| | you have to go through the code and make sure there are no side effects of the change |
| 01:41:55 | kugel | no, but you open the bug report and apparently don't care about the fix for a few days, but then blame someone who commits it |
| 01:42:04 | kugel | I did.... |
| 01:42:31 | * | JdGordon| appologises for... hang on no i dont.... dont care and have other shit that has to get done.... |
| 01:42:38 | JdGordon| | + are completly different |
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| 01:44:15 | kugel | IMO this is a major bug which should be fixed until the release. and the fix will get better testing in SVN |
| 01:44:38 | JdGordon| | you understand that the release is supposed to be stable right? |
| 01:44:45 | kugel | exactly my reasoning |
| 01:45:01 | JdGordon| | which means you dont put in possibly dodgey fixes for an issue which is known |
| 01:45:10 | JdGordon| | and not dangerous |
| 01:45:21 | kugel | it's not a dodgey fix at all |
| 01:46:00 | JdGordon| | if you are going to selectivly read my messages I'm going to go back to paid work.. |
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| 01:52:09 | Chesteta | hey have there been any rmaa tests for the e200v2? |
| 01:52:25 | Chesteta | like in the of or rockbox.... |
| 01:52:53 | JdGordon| | if there are they are problably in the wiki |
| 01:53:22 | Chesteta | ok, ive been googlin' for 20 mins now with no luck :( |
| 01:54:03 | JdGordon| | thats probably a no... |
| 01:54:07 | JdGordon| | also... try bing :D |
| 01:54:12 | Chesteta | just did ;) |
| 01:54:19 | JdGordon| | good man |
| 01:54:37 | Chesteta | i like their layout and how you dont have to go the site to look at stuff; plus you just keep scrollin rather than clickin next.... wish google would adopt that |
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| 01:55:31 | Chesteta | well i guess you have to go the page but it 'pops out' when you mouse over it... |
| 01:57:28 | Llorean | This is all rather off-topic for here. |
| 01:57:56 | Chesteta | yeah, sorry :) |
| 01:58:19 | Chesteta | im done with my search engine talk now |
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| 02:05:55 | mc2739 | FS #10171 can be closed - this bug was fixed with r20812 |
| 02:06:21 | notlistening | SAPI & rbuntil in linux work :D |
| 02:06:31 | notlistening | *works |
| 02:07:09 | notlistening | even if it is dead slow, lol |
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| 02:59:13 | FlynDice | bertrik: (for the logs) I tried the delays you suggested and they did not help. I tried them each separately and then together with no luck. I also tried sleep(3*HZ/2); here's the diff: http://pastie.org/507934 |
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| 03:06:41 | Ferrari12508 | hey |
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| 03:14:05 | froggyman | is it currently possible to have a set font for the WPS and have a seperate font for the menus and viewers? |
| 03:14:48 | Llorean | No. |
| 03:15:08 | Llorean | Unless you want the WPS to use the system font. In the WPS you can choose to use the system font or the user font, menus are always the user font. |
| 03:16:01 | froggyman | how would you set a system font? |
| 03:16:12 | Llorean | You can't set it. |
| 03:16:28 | Llorean | It's the builtin font. |
| 03:17:01 | froggyman | i meant "can it be changed, if so how might I do that" |
| 03:17:17 | Llorean | Compile Rockbox with a different font compiled in. |
| 03:18:29 | froggyman | ok; thanks I'll give it a try |
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| 03:20:50 | Ferrari12508 | Hello, I was just wondering if rockboy still ran gameboy color games slowly? |
| 03:20:57 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 03:21:07 | Llorean | Nobody has really worked in the gameboy emulator in a long time. |
| 03:21:21 | Ferrari12508 | Darn, thanks for th answer though |
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| 03:23:14 | froggyman | Llorean, where would I find the bullitin font so I can change it to my desired font? |
| 03:23:29 | Llorean | Read the source code, I guess. |
| 03:23:44 | froggyman | ohh, ok |
| 03:30:08 | * | froggyman cant seem to find the bulitin font... |
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| 03:31:08 | Unhelpful | why exactly do you need to change the builtin? |
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| 03:32:02 | Unhelpful | ah. this sounds more like a case for multifont than configurable system font. |
| 03:32:06 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 03:32:16 | froggyman | well, I want one font for viewing text but the one I prefer for that doesnt work well with most WPSs |
| 03:32:25 | froggyman | so yeah multifont |
| 03:33:24 | Llorean | The problem with multifont is that the current patch for it works, but isn't done the right way. |
| 03:33:56 | Llorean | That usually results in "the people who want the feature are generally satisfied to use the patch, the people who want to see it included but don't use the feature aren't really interested in rewriting the whole thing" |
| 03:35:08 | froggyman | are you refering to FS #9898 then? |
| 03:35:34 | Llorean | No |
| 03:36:11 | Llorean | 4733 |
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| 04:16:32 | |StanG| | Is there a way to turn on verbose errors with the Rockbox Utility? |
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| 04:19:02 | Llorean | What kind of problem are you experiencing? |
| 04:19:39 | |StanG| | zlib library error |
| 04:19:51 | Llorean | That probably means you don't have enough space free. |
| 04:19:59 | |StanG| | theres nothing on it |
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| 04:20:09 | |StanG| | 20gb 4th gen greyscale ipod |
| 04:20:24 | MariTrunk | hey all |
| 04:20:50 | MariTrunk | just found out about rockbox online today as I was really pissed off from iTunes |
| 04:21:18 | MariTrunk | I just have few questions |
| 04:21:20 | Llorean | |StanG|: And everything else about it is normal? The original firmware works fine? |
| 04:21:37 | |StanG| | yes |
| 04:21:51 | Llorean | It's not mounted read-only? |
| 04:22:05 | MariTrunk | does rockbox support drag and drop files/folders from windows explorer or do I have to use another program to copy mp3s? |
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| 04:22:22 | Llorean | MariTrunk: Rockbox doesn't care how your files get on the player. |
| 04:22:43 | |StanG| | not that im aware of, let me try to put a file on it just to check |
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| 04:23:53 | MariTrunk | Llorean: so if I have installed rockbox, I can just connect the usb cable and it should open a folder will all my files and I can drag and drop new files, as well has copy them back to the PC from my ipod? |
| 04:24:09 | Llorean | MariTrunk: Whether a folder opens up depends on how your computer's set up. |
| 04:24:25 | Llorean | It'll work just like an external hard disk. |
| 04:24:57 | MariTrunk | awesome |
| 04:25:26 | MariTrunk | another question: is the rockbox firmware as fast as the ipod firmware? and is as easy to use? |
| 04:26:10 | Llorean | I don't even know what you mean by "fast" |
| 04:26:32 | Llorean | And "easy to use" depends entirely on your own expectations. I'd suggest reading the manual and learning about it. |
| 04:28:15 | MariTrunk | fast meaning, scrolling is fast, no lagging... not like click a button and 5 secs later something happens. My sister had Philips GoGear and the UI was so crappy and slow.... |
| 04:28:49 | Llorean | It's generally pretty fast, yes. |
| 04:32:16 | MariTrunk | is there a way to customize it so that it looks exactly like the ipod firmware but still allows me to drag and drop files to and from my PC without using iTunes? |
| 04:32:36 | Llorean | There's no simple way to do that, no. |
| 04:32:58 | Llorean | You can customize it to look similar, but Rockbox has a lot of unique options, so there's a lot more there than there would be in the Apple firmware. |
| 04:33:12 | Llorean | Please, if you have questions about available options or features, start by reading the manual. |
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| 04:35:31 | MariTrunk | is there an FAQ on how to customize the look? |
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| 04:36:24 | Llorean | There are pages in the wiki describing how to write WPSes, yes. |
| 04:36:24 | cool_walking_ | MariTrunk: The CustomWPS wiki page. There are some pre-made themes on http://themes.rockbox.org |
| 04:38:44 | MariTrunk | I was hoping there might be an ipod theme lol |
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| 04:40:48 | Llorean | We can't host an iPod theme. Duplicating the iPod interface would require using graphics copyright Apple. |
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| 04:47:47 | MariTrunk | found it :) |
| 04:47:49 | MariTrunk | http://www.ipodthemeworld.com/iPod/download/rockbox-WPS-ipod-photo/iPod_Color_Plus.aspx |
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| 04:49:04 | Unhelpful | minor binsize/speed tweaks in jpeg decoder... should i be saving these for post-freez? |
| 04:49:33 | Llorean | Probably, yeah. |
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| 04:50:23 | Llorean | At least, in my opinion it should only be fixes for bugs. Improvements / speedups / etc should probably wait unless there's no chance of side effects at all, not even a minor one. |
| 04:50:30 | Llorean | Though, that's my opinion. |
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| 10:34:02 | fml | What are the opinions about closing FS #10171 ? |
| 10:34:33 | fml | (as requested by a user who tested it) |
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| 10:43:10 | Mikachu | fml: looks like mcuelenaere closed it now |
| 10:45:22 | linuxstb | fml: Why did you ask? It looks straightforward (i.e. the user said it the bug he reported is now fixed) |
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| 10:50:11 | fml | linuxstb: I asked because it has been requested here on IRC and there were no responses. But I have not tested it. And the user who said the bug doesn't exist anymore (in FS) is not the same person who reported the bug. |
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| 10:52:43 | linuxstb | fml: Ah yes, I didn't notice that - they do seem to be reporting slightly different things. So mcuelenaere's closing message is wrong... |
| 10:53:25 | linuxstb | fml: I guess it's fine to leave it closed though, and hopefully the task opener will request the task be re-opened if it's not fixed (or someone else will report the bug) |
| 10:55:18 | fml | linuxstb: yes, the best task is a closed one! |
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| 10:58:16 | Makuseru | Has anyone had any problems with Ubuntu 9.04 recognizing Toshiba Gigabeats? |
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| 10:59:24 | markun | Makuseru: I had a problem with the Gigabeat in Ubuntu I think and had to change something related to libmtp |
| 10:59:34 | Makuseru | Do you know what it was? |
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| 11:00:05 | Makuseru | I just upgraded to 9.04 from 8.04 and now when i turn the gigabeat on while its on its dock( or if i just plug it in) it doesnt recognize it anymore. |
| 11:00:36 | markun | sounds like the same problem |
| 11:00:39 | markun | let me google |
| 11:00:52 | Makuseru | Alright. |
| 11:00:55 | Makuseru | Thanks. |
| 11:01:21 | GodEater | which sort of gigabeat ? |
| 11:01:42 | markun | for me it was my F40 |
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| 11:04:13 | markun | Makuseru: I found this, but I don't think it was what I did: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/70100 |
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| 11:08:05 | tmzt | markun: that's still using libmtp? |
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| 11:08:33 | Makuseru | markun: ok, i tried that. going to restart now to see if that did it. |
| 11:08:43 | markun | tmzt: maybe I'm mixing some things up. In that case you can just ignore me :) |
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| 11:09:52 | tmzt | markun: just not sure what gigabeat normally uses, mtp or storage |
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| 11:10:23 | tmzt | if it's libmtp that's likely the correct solution as ubuntu changed from usbdevfs to the new entries in /dev |
| 11:10:33 | max | markun: Thank you very much. That did it. |
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| 11:17:53 | psycho_maniac | quick question, how do i actually use my player as a remote? just plug it in and hit play/pause? i have a gigabeat f40 |
| 11:18:28 | tmzt | psycho_maniac: do you have that enabled in the source? |
| 11:19:00 | psycho_maniac | probably not. it says you can do this on the site so i just updated rockbox |
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| 11:20:58 | psycho_maniac | so am i right in saying that this does work on a daily build? |
| 11:22:28 | psycho_maniac | i cant find anything on the wiki about this HID USB |
| 11:22:41 | pixelma | psycho_maniac: it also depends on the application you want to control with it - and I'm not a 100% sure if the gigabeat F has it |
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| 11:23:59 | Unhelpful | i believe it only sends keycodes for the various multimedia control keys. volume up and down work from my beast and e200, i've not played with the other controls. |
| 11:25:19 | GodEater | I doubt the Gigabeat F has it - it doesn't run our USB stack |
| 11:25:30 | GodEater | doesn't it has an ATA bridge chip in it ? |
| 11:25:34 | GodEater | s/has/have |
| 11:25:58 | psycho_maniac | but really all i have to do is just plug the thing in and i hit play/pause/ect? |
| 11:26:00 | * | pixelma deletes question - only saw a HID keymap added to the beast, not the F anyways |
| 11:26:17 | GodEater | psycho_maniac: please re-read what I said. It doesn't work on the Gigabeat F. |
| 11:27:05 | psycho_maniac | alright but if i had a player that did run your usb stack |
| 11:27:27 | GodEater | pretty much yes |
| 11:27:35 | GodEater | it's harder to use if you load in "charging only" mode |
| 11:27:49 | GodEater | since then you can't use the controls directly on the player, you have to go via the debug menu |
| 11:28:32 | * | pixelma had to set up the keyboard shortcuts (assigning the multimedia buttons) in foobar2000 |
| 11:28:46 | GodEater | they just "worked" for me in Winamp |
| 11:28:53 | GodEater | didn't have to set up anything |
| 11:29:14 | psycho_maniac | hmm. i read you had to setup the multimedia keys on winamp but there usually now set up by default. |
| 11:29:21 | pixelma | just to stress that it also depends on your setup, maybe there are also differences whether you are using a multimedia keyboard anyways or not |
| 11:30:58 | psycho_maniac | sucks gigabeat s wont be in rockbox 3.3 :( |
| 11:31:43 | Unhelpful | it's easy enough to build from svn and get installed. i've been using it as my primary player for months. |
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| 11:32:56 | psycho_maniac | yeah, well i read somewhere that it was kinda a goal for 3.3 but i guess it must have to many bugs or something. |
| 11:33:22 | psycho_maniac | "It is hoped to include the Gigabeat S in the 3.3 release." |
| 11:34:45 | markun | GodEater: The Gigabeat F also has USB host and device controllers, but you can only use them through the dock (and our stack doesn't yet work on it) |
| 11:36:39 | GodEater | markun: so I was half right =/ |
| 11:37:36 | GodEater | psycho_maniac: it's nothing to do with bugs |
| 11:37:43 | GodEater | it's to do with how we distribute the bootloader |
| 11:37:46 | GodEater | there are licensing issues |
| 11:38:24 | psycho_maniac | illegal or legal issues? |
| 11:40:00 | GodEater | the issue is that the single bootloader (i.e. will only load Rockbox) only works on some devices it seems. The dual boot one (i.e. boots OF and Rockbox) is way more reliable, but relies on us distributing toshiba's code. |
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| 11:40:56 | psycho_maniac | ahhh. who uses the OF anyways ;) |
| 11:41:16 | GodEater | the people who's beasts the single bootloader doesn't work on NEED it |
| 11:41:19 | linuxstb | psycho_maniac: That's not the point - the problem is that the single-boot bootloader is unreliable... |
| 11:41:46 | psycho_maniac | i know that wasnt the point. i just wanted to say it. |
| 11:45:36 | psycho_maniac | is there a patch for this, "Increased battery life on some targets by preventing WPS from updating while backlight is off. " i remember reading about it on the tracker but i cant seem to find it. i wanna know if my player is supported. |
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| 12:00:55 | GodEater | does anyone know what distro our release builds of rbutil are made on ? |
| 12:05:40 | FrankTM | isn't that build on multiple servers? |
| 12:06:02 | * | FrankTM uses ubuntu |
| 12:06:19 | GodEater | no |
| 12:06:26 | GodEater | rockbox is built on multiple servers |
| 12:06:32 | GodEater | rbutil isn't part of the auto build system |
| 12:06:47 | FrankTM | ah :P |
| 12:07:19 | FrankTM | i suppose a config.log is not provided? |
| 12:07:54 | GodEater | do you see one ? |
| 12:09:40 | * | Llorean wonders if there's some way we could setup RBUtil build servers. |
| 12:09:51 | GodEater | very probably |
| 12:09:58 | GodEater | but there are distro differences to take into account |
| 12:10:00 | GodEater | hence my question |
| 12:10:09 | Llorean | Even if we didn't post links to the bleeding edge builds, some way to make sure that when we want to make a new release version of it, we don't have to shop around asking if everyone's awake and around with the right environments |
| 12:10:09 | GodEater | rbutilqt won't build on Ubuntu out of the box |
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| 12:12:08 | GodEater | I'm trying to build a x64 version of 1.2.1 |
| 12:14:23 | * | FrankTM fires up ubuntu |
| 12:15:02 | GodEater | for the record, building it is easy, building a statically linked version isn't. I wonder why we don't have a static target in the make file |
| 12:16:50 | domonoky | GodEater: bluebrother builds the windows and linux rbutil release binarys. maybe ask him what distro he uses :-) |
| 12:17:07 | GodEater | domonoky: cool, I'll do that |
| 12:17:22 | linuxstb | ISTR he uses Red Hat/Fedora, but I could be very wrong... |
| 12:17:30 | GodEater | I just noticed today that ubuntu requires you to use 'qmake-qt4' not merely 'qmake' |
| 12:17:45 | GodEater | and also 'lsrelease-qt4' instead of 'lsrelease' |
| 12:18:01 | domonoky | GodEater: if you look at the rbutil dev wikipage, it mentions that :-) |
| 12:18:16 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 12:18:17 | pixelma | I believe bluebrother uses Fedora |
| 12:18:25 | GodEater | poor fellow :) |
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| 12:21:57 | domonoky | automated rbutil builds would be nice. but its a bit hard to get the neccessary servers. we would need linux-32bit, linux-64bit, windows and mac. All setup with the correct enviroment to build release binarys. |
| 12:22:10 | GodEater | hard but not impossible |
| 12:22:19 | domonoky | true |
| 12:22:27 | GodEater | I'd be happy to set mine up as an x64 host |
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| 12:23:22 | Llorean | can the windows binary be cross-compiled, or does it need cygwin? |
| 12:23:34 | GodEater | no idea |
| 12:23:40 | tmzt | x64 can be cross-compiled on 32 bit right? |
| 12:24:35 | tmzt | Llorean: since it's c++ it might be an issue, although maybe not for static build |
| 12:24:53 | domonoky | Llorean: it doesnt need cygwin (building in cygwin doesnt even work). But dont know if crosscompiling works because of the depencies. |
| 12:25:00 | Llorean | Aaah |
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| 12:25:26 | tmzt | yeah, it's usually mingw32, but the ABI is different from visual c++ |
| 12:25:49 | domonoky | tmzt: its not visual c++, we use mingw32 on windows. |
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| 12:26:25 | tmzt | so that's not an issue? I only know of this from the mozilla issues with flash |
| 12:26:26 | pixelma | bluebrother said something about cross-compiling a Windows version on Linux yesterday (or today), could be already in today's logs |
| 12:27:20 | pixelma | yes, around 00:35 |
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| 12:32:32 | * | pixelma wonders about animated... PNGs... on the themes.rockbox.org e200 page |
| 12:33:39 | Unhelpful | MNGs? |
| 12:34:58 | Unhelpful | ah, no, that APNG stuff. |
| 12:35:41 | Llorean | Doesn't the submit form say the image is just supposed to be the WPS screen? |
| 12:36:12 | * | Llorean votes someone with admin privileges take down those images, and tell the people to resubmit them properly. |
| 12:36:27 | * | Llorean admits a SLIGHT dislike for animated images on webpages in general. |
| 12:36:59 | FrankTM | burn them houses! |
| 12:37:06 | Unhelpful | Llorean: Free-State.AMremix we might want to leave up, it actually *is* only showing the WPS. |
| 12:37:51 | pixelma | IIRC you are allowed to upload 3 different images - two for the WPS (one used and an alternative one) and a menu screenshot - only the firstr is used currently though |
| 12:38:25 | Unhelpful | Zune v2 is just gratuitously displaying two different covers though (ok, and the menu) |
| 12:38:26 | FrankTM | are there more themes for fuzes somewhere? |
| 12:38:27 | pixelma | I'm not sure but thought that the format PNG was chosen to prevent animated images |
| 12:38:34 | Llorean | Unhelpful: If it's only showing the WPS it's fair, though I still dislike animation. |
| 12:39:23 | Llorean | FrankTM: Use ones for a player with the same size screen from themes.rockbox.org. If you're not happy with the selection there, google and good luck. |
| 12:39:24 | GodEater | I give up |
| 12:39:31 | GodEater | I can't work out how to statically build rbutilqt |
| 12:39:35 | pixelma | FrankTM: I believe the Fuze has a 220x176 colour screen so you can use the ones listed under Ipod Photo/Color (and H300 but those might contain WPSs for the remote) |
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| 12:40:08 | FrankTM | maybe a stupid question, but what's meant by WPSs? |
| 12:41:11 | GodEater | While Playing Screen |
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| 12:47:14 | FrankTM | ah. |
| 12:47:27 | FrankTM | those themes are plain ugly though :p |
| 12:48:07 | GodEater | what a nice thing to say about people's hard work that they've submitted for free. |
| 12:48:19 | FrankTM | well. in other words |
| 12:48:22 | FrankTM | i don't like them |
| 12:48:40 | GodEater | you know what they say "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" |
| 12:49:21 | FrankTM | that would be a rather weird world to live in |
| 12:50:15 | GodEater | I'm just a little sick of hearing people complain about something they get for free |
| 12:50:17 | FrankTM | but you're right, wasn't a nice thing to say |
| 12:50:24 | FrankTM | hey. i'm not complaining |
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| 12:55:03 | FrankTM | meh. i'm just annoyed with myself today |
| 12:55:09 | FrankTM | ignore what i said |
| 12:57:09 | pixelma | well, you can always make a theme yourself |
| 12:58:30 | FrankTM | hehe. pretty sure those will be worse than those |
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| 13:04:06 | * | GodEater thinks we should offer a similar sort of service for customised TagNavi files as we do for themes. Thoughts ? |
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| 13:14:08 | Llorean | GodEater: Is there really that much that can be done with them? |
| 13:14:22 | Llorean | Rather than put together a site, maybe a tagnavi customization tool might make more sense? |
| 13:15:10 | GodEater | Llorean: I think it would be nice to at least have a place where people can collect them. I'm sure some people have done some interesting things with them, but without an easy way to share them it's hard to tell since we can't see them. |
| 13:15:19 | Llorean | I mean, I know they're immensely flexible, but I think outside of the standard range of things already in it, the majority of other filters one might add will be personal use cases. |
| 13:15:37 | GodEater | perhaps so - but some of those cases might be shared by some people |
| 13:16:01 | GodEater | I just think it might prove interesting |
| 13:16:09 | Llorean | We could start with a poll as to how many people have modified tagnavi, and ask those that answer "yes" to summarize what they added/changed? |
| 13:16:19 | GodEater | sure, that's a good start |
| 13:16:38 | Llorean | Get some feedback at least. We might find some improvements we could incorporate into the default. |
| 13:16:55 | GodEater | I was just looking at the few we have on the page in the wiki |
| 13:17:09 | GodEater | and wondering why we don't include the "Full featured" one at the bottom as our default |
| 13:17:13 | GodEater | it looks pretty swish |
| 13:17:29 | Llorean | What's the wiki page? |
| 13:17:52 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase |
| 13:17:58 | GodEater | Example 4 is the one I'm referring to |
| 13:18:21 | GodEater | it's bascule's effort |
| 13:18:25 | GodEater | I know he's a huge fan :) |
| 13:19:07 | Llorean | Didn't he contribute the current tagnavi? |
| 13:19:20 | * | Llorean doesn't like the term "Rockbox Browser" as the menu title, but that's just a minor nitpick. |
| 13:19:20 | pixelma | for some reason I think it became the default one now |
| 13:19:20 | GodEater | I've no idea to be honest |
| 13:19:42 | * | Llorean doesn't want people calling the database "the browser" for example |
| 13:20:02 | GodEater | well clearly we could make some minor changes |
| 13:20:19 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 13:20:28 | * | Llorean wishes once again we had clear licensing on the wiki. |
| 13:20:39 | GodEater | pixelma: it doesn't look like we are using that one as the default |
| 13:21:00 | GodEater | does anyone have an email address for bascule ? |
| 13:21:03 | Llorean | or rather, I wish the licensing was clearly permissive, rather than clearly not. |
| 13:21:06 | Llorean | I imagine I do. |
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| 13:21:12 | GodEater | I've not seen / heard from him for a long time on the forusm |
| 13:21:41 | GodEater | shall I post the poll ? |
| 13:21:47 | Llorean | Go ahead. |
| 13:21:52 | GodEater | and if so - where do you suggest ? |
| 13:21:57 | GodEater | in the "Database" forum |
| 13:22:02 | GodEater | or somewhere more prompinent ? |
| 13:23:11 | GodEater | and while I have your attention you two, could you please respond in the experts thread :) |
| 13:23:17 | Llorean | May as well go with announcements. An official poll. "We're looking at refactoring Tagnavi and wanted to see how many people felt it was important to modify theirs, and if so, how" |
| 13:23:45 | pondlife | I don't much like example 4 to be honest - too much text... what we need is a better way to #include multiple tagnavi trees without having them appear as "custom..."... |
| 13:24:24 | pondlife | Maybe it shoudl auto-concatentate tagnavi.* into the root menu? |
| 13:24:29 | pondlife | (or something) |
| 13:24:46 | GodEater | Llorean: I can't post polls in the annoucements section :) |
| 13:25:02 | pondlife | Database or UI makes most sense |
| 13:25:25 | GodEater | pondlife: do you actually *use* the database? :) |
| 13:25:29 | pondlife | All the time |
| 13:25:32 | GodEater | wow |
| 13:25:38 | GodEater | a dev that uses it |
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| 13:25:47 | pondlife | I wouldn't say I'm a dev ;) |
| 13:25:57 | pixelma | besides Slasheri ;) |
| 13:26:10 | GodEater | Slasheri only wakes up twice a year, he doesn't count ;D |
| 13:26:10 | pondlife | If you have lots of stuff, the file browser can be too slow. |
| 13:26:38 | GodEater | I find the exact opposite tbh |
| 13:26:44 | GodEater | but that's why we have choices :) |
| 13:26:57 | pondlife | I particularly use it for (1) Albums/<Random> (2) A-Z and (3) Same as current... |
| 13:27:08 | pixelma | I think roolku uses it a bit more too (seeing he coded some stuff there) but haven't seen him since around last DevCon or so |
| 13:27:13 | kugel | GodEater: you were trying to build rbutil statically? |
| 13:27:18 | GodEater | kugel: I was |
| 13:27:20 | GodEater | and failing |
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| 13:27:44 | kugel | you need to build Qt with the -static switch |
| 13:27:52 | GodEater | I figured as much |
| 13:28:00 | GodEater | such a pain there isn't a static package to install |
| 13:28:15 | kugel | indeed |
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| 13:29:15 | Llorean | GodEater: Responded to the experts thread, PMed bascule. |
| 13:29:25 | GodEater | awesome :D |
| 13:29:40 | GodEater | I'm making the poll in 'DevCon' and will move it to Announcements |
| 13:29:44 | GodEater | seems a neatish workaround |
| 13:30:11 | Llorean | GodEater: Did you try to post in announcements? Experts are supposed to be able to. |
| 13:30:23 | Llorean | Aah |
| 13:30:23 | GodEater | I can post, I can't make a new poll though |
| 13:30:27 | Llorean | Fixed. |
| 13:30:28 | GodEater | I only have a new topic button |
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| 13:31:19 | kugel | do we want new rbutil release for 3.3? |
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| 13:34:49 | pondlife | By my reckoning we should be branching today - anyone know when this is likely to happen (or if I'm mistaken).? |
| 13:35:49 | Llorean | kugel: I guess for the logs. RButil releases generally aren't "for" Rockbox releases (or shouldn't be) but rather for when something is fixed/improved/added to rbutil that warrants a release. I think it was decided at some point to keep them more or less independent of Rockbox releases and on its own "when it seems needed" pattern. |
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| 13:38:48 | gevaerts | hm yes, branching today... I still haven't looked at FS #9957 properly :\ |
| 13:38:53 | GodEater | hey Nico_P , long time no see! |
| 13:39:34 | linuxstb | pondlife: Whenever someone does it - it could be you! |
| 13:39:59 | pondlife | heh, I wouldn't trust me if I were yoiu (or indeed me) |
| 13:40:10 | pondlife | which I guess I am |
| 13:40:15 | GodEater | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21892.0 |
| 13:40:31 | GodEater | you only guess ? |
| 13:40:38 | GodEater | I'd see a therapist immediately |
| 13:41:31 | GodEater | btw - now that I'm in the Annoucements thread - Cassandra's post is somewhat out of date |
| 13:41:35 | Nico_P | GodEater: hi :) |
| 13:41:35 | Llorean | So, USB for all swusb targets except iPods? |
| 13:41:53 | GodEater | Nico_P: I finally got a working iphone toolchain |
| 13:41:59 | GodEater | was thinking of you whilst I was working on it |
| 13:43:18 | Nico_P | nice! are you going to be writing some apps? |
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| 13:43:31 | gevaerts | Llorean: I think so, yes. I'll try to have another look at FS #9957 tonight. If not, that can go into the release notes |
| 13:44:03 | * | Llorean is slightly disappointed, but that gives us time to see how many iPods explode with the charging patch before we make it "official" |
| 13:44:03 | pondlife | GodEater: One can never be sure of such things, but that's way OT |
| 13:44:17 | GodEater | that's what the other channel is for :) |
| 13:44:53 | GodEater | I need to keep up to date with FS more. I had no idea there was a charging patch. |
| 13:45:08 | Llorean | GodEater: It's attached as a comment to a "bug" task last I looked |
| 13:45:15 | GodEater | I also need to get some lunch :) |
| 13:45:25 | Llorean | So it's not been obvious |
| 13:45:35 | * | GodEater goes to get food |
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| 14:01:46 | kugel | Nico_P: did you see my fix for FS #8999 and FS #10101? Any opinion? |
| 14:03:05 | Nico_P | kugel: yep, I saw you fixed it, nice work :) |
| 14:08:59 | Nico_P | kugel: and it looks correct to me, although I haven't worked with that code in some time. I trust that it fixes the problem and it doesn't look like it would cause any harm in other situations |
| 14:09:31 | kugel | Nico_P: I tried hard to reproduce but couldn't (I could easily reproduce it before) so I'm fairly sure the fix is correct, but JdGordon seemed to have doubts |
| 14:11:02 | kugel | that was my thinking too |
| 14:18:13 | Nico_P | so it seems the beast won't make it into 3.3, will it? |
| 14:19:04 | Llorean | We still need a reliable install. The single boot image doesn't work for all beasts, and I'm not even sure there's a way to identify in advance which ones it will fail on. |
| 14:19:26 | Llorean | If it does fail, there's no easy way to recover them without an OF image (which, if we had readily available, would make dual-boot images no problem and negate the problem in the first place) |
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| 14:21:03 | Nico_P | that's unfortunate :( |
| 14:21:14 | Llorean | It's a tough situation. |
| 14:22:18 | CIA-37 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r21246): Set ZenUtils svn:ignore property properly |
| 14:22:21 | Nico_P | rbutil support would be nice at least, even if there's no stable release |
| 14:22:57 | Llorean | RBUtil support would be great, though we'd need a big red warning about how your device may be unrecoverable if you don't acquire an OF image first. |
| 14:23:02 | kugel | are we having a new rbutil release for 3.3? |
| 14:23:13 | Llorean | kugel: I left you a message in the logs about it when you asked earlier. |
| 14:23:30 | Llorean | RBUtil gets releases when RBUtil changes or gets fixed, they're not really in parallel with Rockbox releases. |
| 14:23:32 | kugel | oh, I thought it didn't come through |
| 14:24:04 | Llorean | I haven't heard anything specifically new (no new targets this time around) for a release. Except maybe if we build it on a newer QT it might fix the SAPI issues? |
| 14:26:12 | Nico_P | the SVN bot is a nice touch :) |
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| 15:21:13 | webguest97 | We aaaaall want Rockbox for third Zune Generatioon ! |
| 15:21:42 | Llorean | Then work on it. |
| 15:21:51 | evilnick_7 | webguest97: Crack the encryption and it should help then |
| 15:21:52 | Llorean | It's a community effort. If the people who want it don't work, it doesn't happen. |
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| 15:22:26 | GodEater | that's such a lie |
| 15:22:31 | GodEater | I don't want it on the zune |
| 15:23:04 | webguest97 | but I |
| 15:23:10 | webguest97 | and I have an 120 gig |
| 15:23:29 | webguest97 | if someone realese I can test it :D |
| 15:23:46 | * | pondlife is still waiting for Zune Linux... |
| 15:23:49 | Llorean | As I said, quite clearly, it will never happen if people like you keep waiting for someone else to do it. |
| 15:23:53 | webguest97 | yah |
| 15:24:30 | webguest97 | but i don't know how to make it |
| 15:24:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then learn. |
| 15:25:04 | webguest97 | this will take years |
| 15:25:13 | Llorean | "Years" is sooner than "never" |
| 15:25:39 | GodEater | also, every other port of Rockbox has taken years too - so it won't be any faster if "we" do it either |
| 15:26:00 | webguest97 | hm. then I can earlier buy an Ipod classic and do Rockbox on it :D |
| 15:26:10 | Llorean | You really have two choices. Do it, or don't. If you're not going to, that's really fine, but you don't need to bother anyone here about it. You've said "It would be neat to have it on my player" and that's really more than enough. Honest. We're quite aware that there are hundreds of MP3 players out there with owners who'd like to see them do more. The answer is the same to all of them. |
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| 15:26:25 | scorche | except rockbox doesnt work on the classic either |
| 15:26:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or the new nanos. |
| 15:26:46 | webguest97 | okay |
| 15:27:03 | GodEater | or the shuffles |
| 15:27:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or the Touch. Or the iPhone, for that matter. |
| 15:27:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Simply put... if it's not on the front page, it doesn't work with Rockbox. |
| 15:27:50 | webguest97 | but I tought if someone planed to make it for the zune and didn't know if the people want it |
| 15:28:01 | webguest97 | then I say : Yes! We want :D |
| 15:28:12 | evilnick_7 | webguest97: If someone was that far then they'd do it for their own use anyway |
| 15:28:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest97: Right now, there are no plans to port to the Zune. |
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| 15:28:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | There are no plans, period. |
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| 15:29:49 | webguest97 | are there any open source media player softwares like rockbox ? |
| 15:31:59 | GodEater | nope |
| 15:32:01 | GodEater | we stand alone |
| 15:32:28 | FrankTM | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=open+source+mp3+player |
| 15:32:55 | webguest97 | okay. than i have to wait for an update by microsoft :D or the Zune HD |
| 15:34:05 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, there's similar project. OpenNeo (a Rockbox fork, though for slightly differently purposed hardware) and the s1mp3 project at least. And iPod/SansaLinux are, I guess, related? |
| 15:34:13 | pondlife | Or dump the Zune... ;) |
| 15:34:29 | GodEater | is OpenNeo still running ? |
| 15:34:43 | GodEater | might as well quote ZuneLinux then |
| 15:34:44 | GodEater | :D |
| 15:35:05 | Llorean | Probably not, but at least they have real code. |
| 15:35:17 | Llorean | Someone *could* pick it up and run with it. |
| 15:36:55 | webguest97 | okay now |
| 15:37:00 | webguest97 | i hate microsoft :D |
| 15:37:09 | GodEater | why did you buy a zune then ? |
| 15:37:20 | webguest97 | because i life in germany |
| 15:37:27 | webguest97 | and everybody has an iPod |
| 15:37:32 | webguest97 | and thats boring |
| 15:37:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest97: And you're veering into off-topic territory. |
| 15:37:38 | * | gevaerts spots Logic |
| 15:37:40 | GodEater | what a non-sensical answer |
| 15:37:51 | GodEater | gevaerts: is that the thing running away over yonder ? |
| 15:38:44 | webguest97 | yonder? |
| 15:39:17 | GodEater | get a dictionary |
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| 15:53:01 | webguest95 | moin |
| 15:53:28 | webguest95 | gibts hier jemand der on ist und deutsch kann :D |
| 15:53:40 | Llorean | This is an English channel, please. |
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| 15:53:56 | webguest95 | ah ok,sry |
| 15:54:19 | Llorean | We also ask that you use real words, and avoid things like "sry" where possible, to aid those using machine assistance of varying sorts. |
| 15:54:35 | webguest95 | my english is not very good but mayby you can help me |
| 15:55:09 | GodEater | looks very good to me |
| 15:56:01 | webguest97 | ich kann deutsch! |
| 15:56:31 | webguest95 | i have a ipod mini 6 gb with the last rockbox. i`ve listen that it is possible to play gamboy gamse on it with rockbox |
| 15:56:33 | webguest95 | ah |
| 15:56:40 | webguest95 | doch ein deutscher XD |
| 15:56:51 | Llorean | Please, stick to English. |
| 15:57:07 | webguest95 | ok Llorean |
| 15:57:39 | Llorean | As to gameboy games, the use of all Rockbox features is in the manual. It may be that gameboy games aren't yet supported on the mini, I'm not entirely certain. |
| 15:58:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Rockboy isn't on the mini. |
| 15:58:30 | webguest95 | i know |
| 15:58:51 | webguest95 | ehm |
| 15:59:19 | webguest95 | it is possible to put iboy into rockbox ? |
| 15:59:31 | Llorean | No. |
| 15:59:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | No. iBoy is part of iPodLinux. |
| 15:59:51 | webguest95 | oh thats bad ... |
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| 16:01:52 | webguest95 | it is impossible to play rockboy on the mini at this time |
| 16:02:21 | Llorean | In Rockbox, yes. |
| 16:02:55 | webguest95 | ok, it is possible that rockboy run on mini with rockbox in future |
| 16:04:27 | Llorean | Possible, yes. But it's impossible to know if, or when, somebody will work on it. |
| 16:04:39 | webguest95 | ah ok |
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| 16:06:40 | webguest95 | give it more rockbox games, doom and coubnterstrike allready< on my ipod but iv jut ply more games. racing or adventure. |
| 16:06:48 | webguest95 | sry |
| 16:06:52 | webguest95 | if just |
| 16:07:01 | webguest95 | sorry |
| 16:07:40 | webguest95 | omg my batterie of my keyboard are empty ^^ |
| 16:11:39 | webguest95 | am back |
| 16:11:46 | webguest95 | with stron bateries XD |
| 16:11:49 | webguest95 | g |
| 16:12:06 | * | LambdaCalculus37 takes away webguest95's Enter key |
| 16:12:08 | webguest95 | give it a german irc channel from rockbox |
| 16:14:36 | webguest95 | but what if must say to the rockbox firmware it is 100000000 percebt better than the appel firmware |
| 16:14:44 | webguest95 | percent |
| 16:15:07 | webguest95 | very BIG THANKS to the programmers |
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| 16:18:26 | chrissXcross | ife just change my nick XD |
| 16:19:53 | chrissXcross | is here everybody comes from germany that can speak german |
| 16:20:54 | chrissXcross | my english is to bad to write ..... words are lost - . - |
| 16:24:39 | chrissXcross | Llorean gave it a german rockbox irc channel |
| 16:24:40 | chrissXcross | ? |
| 16:25:23 | Llorean | This is the only official Rockbox support channel. |
| 16:25:33 | chrissXcross | oh ok ... |
| 16:25:37 | chrissXcross | hm |
| 16:25:54 | chrissXcross | cann i write with a irc member german |
| 16:26:02 | chrissXcross | with pn |
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| 16:26:24 | chrissXcross | or personalmessage |
| 16:26:50 | chrissXcross | because in english i can write all the things if just think |
| 16:27:32 | chrissXcross | when it isnt possible can you say me if is just can download more games form rockbox |
| 16:27:49 | chrissXcross | other games as doom freedoom counterstrike ... |
| 16:27:57 | Llorean | We include everything we have. |
| 16:28:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | And don't ask us where to get more games. We're not touching that subject with a 50-foot pole. |
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| 16:28:59 | chrissXcross | 50-foot pole. what did you mean with that |
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| 16:29:24 | Llorean | chrissXcross: It means finding other things is off topic here. Use google. |
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| 16:34:41 | chrissXcross | how can i just put more viewers into rockbox |
| 16:35:45 | chrissXcross | for example an gif viewer |
| 16:36:18 | chrissXcross | must i copie the *.rock file into the viewers folger ? |
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| 16:36:44 | evilnick_7 | chrissXcross: You'd also have to code it |
| 16:37:50 | chrissXcross | no but i would now how can i put an viewer into rockbox |
| 16:38:13 | chrissXcross | because if jufst found an gif viewr for rockbox |
| 16:39:10 | chrissXcross | or an plugin but i dont know how i can put in into rockbox |
| 16:39:25 | Llorean | You have to compile a current version of Rockbox with that viewer. |
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| 16:40:27 | chrissXcross | an how can i do this is there an tutorial on your rockbox site |
| 16:40:36 | evilnick_7 | Yes, in the Wiki |
| 16:41:18 | chrissXcross | oh ok thanks |
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| 16:45:07 | chrissXcross | so i cant kopie the *#rock file into the viewers folder an use it |
| 16:45:18 | chrissXcross | *.rock |
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| 16:46:19 | pixelma | usually no, as it has to be made for your player and for the version of Rockbox you are running |
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| 16:48:18 | chrissXcross | hm |
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| 16:50:49 | chrissXcross | it is impossible to install ipodlinux and iboy an then to start iboy in rockbox |
| 16:51:35 | r0b- | whats iboy |
| 16:52:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | r0b-: Ask in #ipodlinux. |
| 16:52:56 | chrissXcross | its an gamboy emulator for ipodlinux |
| 16:53:13 | markun | first hit in google for me |
| 16:53:39 | scorche | chrissXcross: iboy is for ipodlinux as you have been told...rockbox is completely different... |
| 16:53:51 | pixelma | chrissXcross: you can't start iBoy from Rockbox, but you can have both Ipodlinux and Roxkbox at the same time BUT everything related to Ipolinux is off-topic here so you have to ask elsewhere (and for example, I know nothing about it, don't even have an Ipod) |
| 16:53:53 | markun | we have rockboy :) |
| 16:54:07 | pixelma | not on his target though |
| 16:54:14 | markun | ah |
| 16:54:18 | chrissXcross | i know markun but i have the ipod mini |
| 16:54:25 | chrissXcross | an there is noch rockboy vieser in it |
| 16:54:47 | markun | vieser? |
| 16:54:53 | chrissXcross | viewer sorrx XD |
| 16:54:59 | markun | ah, yes :) |
| 16:56:25 | chrissXcross | in i would put the rockboy viewer into the rocvkbox that is on my ipod XD |
| 16:56:31 | pixelma | chrissXcross: please, at least attempt to spell correctly, maybe take yourself a little more time and don't hit the enter key so often - one thought on one line is much easier to read than on three or more lines |
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| 16:57:07 | chrissXcross | yes my english is bad |
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| 16:58:26 | chrissXcross | i would put the rockboy viewer into my rockbox version is that possible |
| 16:58:48 | Llorean | Not without programming. |
| 16:58:57 | evilnick_7 | I think that it has to be 'fixed' to work on your iPod Mini |
| 16:59:13 | scorche | didnt pixelma already answer that? |
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| 17:00:16 | chrissXcross | yesno he said it is impossible to start iboy in rockbox ... |
| 17:00:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | chrissXcross: pixelma is a she. |
| 17:00:48 | pixelma | evilnick_7: there's an oldish patch for it in the tracker (at least there was) but it also has another problem: the current control method on Ipods won't work on the 1st gen Mini (and both generations use the same build) |
| 17:00:55 | chrissXcross | oh sry ... |
| 17:01:00 | chrissXcross | sorry ahh |
| 17:01:23 | Llorean | chrissXcross: Just take your time. Stop a second and read over your line before you press enter. It will make things easier. |
| 17:02:26 | chrissXcross | <Llorean> Not without programming. |
| 17:02:35 | pixelma | I also said it has to be specifically made for your player, if it was as easy as using one from another player it already had been done |
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| 17:05:43 | chrissXcross | ;( iw would play gamboy on my ipod but iv dont would install anything on my ipod rockbox is the best for my ipod |
| 17:05:51 | chrissXcross | if |
| 17:07:22 | chrissXcross | ipodlinux is bad, rockbox is 10000 x better |
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| 17:08:23 | evilnick_7 | iPL is better at being an entire OS, Rockbox has more of a focus on playing music. But really, iPL is off-topic here |
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| 17:11:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox's biggest focus is music playback. |
| 17:12:32 | chrissXcross | i know and i enjoyed |
| 17:13:24 | chrissXcross | how can i use the coverflow plugin |
| 17:14:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | chrissXcross: Information about using the plugin is in the manual. |
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| 17:20:59 | chrissXcross | my english is to bad i dont understand all |
| 17:21:06 | * | r0b- loves his sansa e250 running rockbox :) |
| 17:21:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | chrissXcross: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-19700010.2.10 |
| 17:23:23 | chrissXcross | what the hell is mandelbrot i run it but i dont understand it Xd |
| 17:27:03 | * | pondlife is somewhat unhappy that timestretch (FS #8894) still has a delta of +3170... anyone got ideas on how to reduce that? |
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| 17:27:57 | Bushman | ave! |
| 17:28:17 | Llorean | pondlife: Integrate it into the codecs? :-P |
| 17:28:32 | pondlife | hehe, that just hides it, no? |
| 17:29:04 | chrissXcross | for waht is mandelbrot an waht isit |
| 17:29:08 | Llorean | Well, the codec buffer's already allocated either way. Using up more of it doesn't cost anything |
| 17:29:22 | Llorean | chrissXcross: It's a visualization of the mandelbrot set. Please, read the manual and use Google before asking in here. |
| 17:29:40 | pondlife | Llorean: Most of that delta is code, I think. |
| 17:30:08 | pondlife | Binary delta is +3124, RAM delta is +3216 |
| 17:30:09 | r0b- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set |
| 17:30:36 | r0b- | what format do demos have to be in for rockbox? |
| 17:30:50 | Llorean | pondlife: So just duplicate the code in every single plugin, and just put the enable/disable in the core. :-P But in all seriousness, timestretch is a pretty significant feature for audiobook readers (and probably for voice, if it would let us set voice-speeds on target instead of in-voicefile) |
| 17:30:59 | Llorean | r0b-: "demos"? |
| 17:31:11 | r0b- | like the fireworks |
| 17:31:24 | pondlife | Llorean: So, in summary, you'd think that delta is reasonable? |
| 17:31:29 | chrissXcross | it is a image from Benoit Mandelbrot |
| 17:31:48 | Llorean | r0b-: All plugins are C programs |
| 17:32:17 | r0b- | ok |
| 17:32:23 | Llorean | pondlife: If it works reliably for speeding and slowing things, yes. I'd hope for future optimizations, but I'd honestly consider time stretch a "key" feature for anything spoken voice. |
| 17:32:33 | r0b- | well ive been wanting to learn C so i guess i will take a look |
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| 17:32:49 | chrissXcross | it is ah zoom a zoom from ???? |
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| 17:37:05 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 17:37:31 | amiconn | Rockboy really needs to be adapted to 2bpp hp |
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| 17:56:49 | Bushman | where can i find compatibility list for rockbox firmwares? |
| 17:57:20 | scorche | as in which devices it runs on?....go to http://rockbox.org |
| 17:58:07 | Bushman | wich sub-page |
| 17:58:17 | evilnick_7 | The frontpage |
| 17:59:00 | Bushman | hmm.. |
| 17:59:13 | Bushman | uuuu... :( |
| 17:59:21 | Bushman | now i see it |
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| 18:03:50 | evilnick_7 | LambdaCalculus37: On the release notes for 3.3, I'm going to change the word "sync" from "And you can sync this album art, music and of course any other file" to be "copy" as sync might imply that Rockbox has a sync utility. Objections? |
| 18:05:03 | Llorean | I definitely like to avoid the word "sync" |
| 18:05:07 | Llorean | It seems to come with implications. |
| 18:06:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | evilnick_7: Llorean has a point there. |
| 18:07:27 | evilnick_7 | Isn't he agreeing with me? Also, I'd like to put that paragraph into the passive voice. |
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| 18:08:00 | evilnick_7 | i.e. "we've been adding a number of" would become "A number of ... were added" |
| 18:08:31 | Bushman | did anyone did any attempts with rockchips? |
| 18:08:48 | Bushman | like RK2706? |
| 18:09:06 | evilnick_7 | Check the New Ports subform. |
| 18:09:12 | evilnick_7 | sub-forum* |
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| 18:11:08 | Bushman | k, thanks |
| 18:11:14 | Bushman | found some thread |
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| 18:17:23 | benny[1] | hey does anyone know if there's any work being done to add a pdf viewer to rockbox? |
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| 18:17:54 | Llorean | These devices are pretty ridiculously unsuitable for such a thing |
| 18:17:58 | Llorean | So it seems pretty unlikely. |
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| 18:18:30 | benny[1] | hmm, I have a video ipod and the screen is just big enough that it'd be readable |
| 18:18:48 | benny[1] | the apple firmware only comes with a textfile reader tho |
| 18:19:18 | Llorean | The iPod video also has a very, very slow processor |
| 18:19:32 | benny[1] | is pdf processing quite intensive? |
| 18:19:43 | gevaerts | it depends on the pdf |
| 18:19:49 | benny[1] | it seems to run doom ok :) |
| 18:20:03 | benny[1] | well, pretty low frame rate actually, but... |
| 18:20:03 | gevaerts | doom was originally written for 486 PCs |
| 18:20:04 | Llorean | You can make quite simple PDFs, but then you may as well just convert them to text files. |
| 18:20:11 | benny[1] | oh yep |
| 18:20:48 | benny[1] | may just look for a file converter program then, thanks for the tips |
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| 18:34:50 | bluebrother | pixelma: did a few more tests about the 404 issue. It's not present anymore in svn but reproduceable with 1.2.1 and 1.2 |
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| 18:35:45 | pixelma | nice it's fixed but needs another "release" then, I guess |
| 18:37:23 | notlistening | bluebrother, modified rbutil and generated my ,takj fuke through linux yesterday ;) slow but that can be improved with a change |
| 18:37:46 | notlistening | my talk files using SAPI |
| 18:38:08 | bluebrother | nice to hear. |
| 18:39:47 | Bushman | hmm... |
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| 18:40:09 | notlistening | should be much faster as is with windows but need to test that |
| 18:42:24 | Bushman | the thread about rockchips has ended 2 months ago and no newer posts till now :( |
| 18:43:06 | evilnick_7 | Bushman: That means that there hasn't been any progress OR that whoever is working on it hasn't posted - if there's a Wiki page then check that too. |
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| 18:43:35 | Bushman | to bad that there's no progress |
| 18:44:04 | Bushman | it's a cool hardware but the keys mapping sucks a bit |
| 18:44:25 | Bushman | for example "play" button is maped to "delete" in folder view |
| 18:44:27 | Bushman | :P |
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| 18:45:11 | Bushman | and the EQ is accesible via main menu>config and not from playback screen |
| 18:45:31 | kugel | really? |
| 18:45:38 | kugel | seems like a step back from e200 |
| 18:46:03 | Bushman | maybe, don't know what's e200 |
| 18:46:37 | kugel | sansa e200 |
| 18:46:49 | Bushman | besides the volume-up button's long press is not "fast volume up" but some crapy loop feature |
| 18:47:00 | Bushman | does anyone actualy use it |
| 18:47:01 | Bushman | ? |
| 18:47:37 | pixelma | Bushman: the original firmware of some random player is a off-topic here |
| 18:47:40 | evilnick_7 | kugel: (In case you hadn't read the logs) We were talking about the rockchips player(s) [and beginning to veer into off-topic-ness] |
| 18:47:45 | kugel | May I ask you to keep the discussion on the topic (which is rockbox, not what the OF does on some unsupported player) |
| 18:47:56 | Bushman | pixelma: sorry |
| 18:48:32 | Bushman | ok |
| 18:48:52 | Bushman | so what can you guys tell me about rockchips and rockbox? |
| 18:49:03 | Bushman | is it a compleet no-go right now? |
| 18:49:54 | evilnick_7 | Bushman: All we know is in the forum/wiki (unless by chance someone here was involved in either of those) so if you've read those then you know all the current information |
| 18:49:58 | Bushman | maybe there's an option to compile rockbox as .RKP? |
| 18:50:17 | evilnick_7 | There is not. |
| 18:51:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bushman: Unfortunately, Rockbox is not available as a magic wand you can wave and have Rockbox instantly running on your device. |
| 18:53:35 | Bushman | i'm ugly, not S T U P I D -_-' |
| 18:54:13 | Bushman | looks like i'm a persona non grata here... |
| 18:54:16 | Bushman | bye |
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| 18:55:27 | * | amiconn wonders whether it would make sense to put the windows langids (for sapi) into the .lang files |
| 18:57:06 | AlexP | obo: Did you see the message about weekly updates on the dev mailing list? |
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| 19:00:35 | obo | AlexP: yes, was going to respond this weekend. My progress so far has been too slow for my liking. |
| 19:01:04 | AlexP | What is the current news? |
| 19:02:17 | saratoga | Unhelpful: ping |
| 19:02:38 | obo | me bashing my head against the steep learning curve (for me) that is disassembly. As I said in community, I've found GPIO bits to turn the LCD white, and to shut it off, and code to reset the device |
| 19:02:57 | AlexP | That's something :) |
| 19:02:57 | funman | obo: nice progress !! |
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| 19:03:38 | funman | obo: I suspect this code for turning LCD backlight must not be far from the lcd_init and lcd_write_cmd / lcd_write_data functions |
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| 19:03:51 | obo | yes, but it doesn't seem like much yet! |
| 19:04:36 | bertrik | I think funman means that related functionality is often close to each other in the firmware |
| 19:05:00 | funman | obo: you can't go back, so this is something you have acquired now. Other findings will come in their time |
| 19:05:41 | obo | funman: thanks. yes, hopefully the LCD code is revatively close together |
| 19:05:58 | funman | And once you have found the lcd functions (usually they are easy to implement), this will speed up testing a lot, so other findings will follow shortly |
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| 19:09:04 | saratoga | Unhelpful: when you get a chance I'd like to ask you about huffman coding again |
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| 19:10:54 | funman | obo: did you find the GPIO for LCD backlight in the OF or from experimentation ? I don't see the GPIO on SansaView wiki page |
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| 19:17:17 | CIA-37 | New commit by funman (r21247): FS #10309 : Sets reasonable timeouts for data access in the SD driver ... |
| 19:18:02 | funman | I just found that we don't check if the data transfer succeeded when selecting the bank |
| 19:18:49 | funman | That could very well be a/the source of problems people mention on the forums : FAT driver using a 2/4/8GB partition, and SD driver only having access to the first 1GB |
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| 19:20:32 | bertrik | I hope to get some handle on the e200v2 radio problems soon ... |
| 19:21:11 | notlistening | bertrik, i have some info on that for you just need to add it to the forumn as i posted it in the wrong place before |
| 19:21:35 | bertrik | funman, about the clip button driver: I think we can just call button_read_device three times at initialisation to get an initial state and we can stop using the kernel tick |
| 19:22:03 | bertrik | notlistening, positive news I hope |
| 19:22:18 | funman | bertrik: that's 1 more line of code than sleep() button_read_device() ;) |
| 19:23:04 | funman | the kernel tick is already present, but interrupts were enabled only when needed (for the storage driver) |
| 19:23:26 | bertrik | oh I thought the kernel tick was done in interrupt context (from the timer interrupt) |
| 19:23:37 | pixelma | funman: I thought you wanted to respect the freeze? |
| 19:24:12 | funman | bertrik: true, the interrupt doesn't happen before we enable_irq(), but the tick is functional |
| 19:24:19 | pixelma | or is it not going to affect other Sansas |
| 19:24:19 | bertrik | I assumed the freeze doesn't apply to currently unsupported targets |
| 19:24:28 | pixelma | in which case, ignore me |
| 19:24:30 | funman | pixelma: i only modified Sansa AMS in this commit, I left the PP/AMS diff for after the freeze |
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| 19:25:41 | pixelma | bertrik: yes, sorry - I assumed that was the change affecting the PP ones too when just reading the message here |
| 19:26:21 | notlistening | bertrik, umm only that i managed toget radio working in the oOF as there are bugs in the wiki version that is being used for develpment but this may be a sticking point |
| 19:26:33 | funman | that's what the first patch I posted to FS #10309 did, so you're all excused pixelma ;) |
| 19:27:50 | bertrik | notlistening, what do you mean by bugs in the wiki version, is that something we can fix? |
| 19:27:51 | pixelma | phew :) |
| 19:28:27 | CIA-37 | New commit by funman (r21248): Sansa AMS storage driver: restart bank selection if data transfer failed, and precise a comment about retry variable |
| 19:28:35 | notlistening | no this is the release firmware weare uing from sandisk that has some parcularities |
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| 19:28:40 | bertrik | notlistening, so you got your radio working in the OF even if it didn't originally work in the OF? |
| 19:28:44 | notlistening | but this could be causing problems with rockbox |
| 19:31:11 | bertrik | IMO rockbox should be able to run regardless of the state that the OF leaves it in |
| 19:31:31 | bertrik | the state of the hardware I mean |
| 19:32:10 | pixelma | bluebrother: your response in the forum reminds me of the second part of my question yesterday: why does it (do we want) to place the downloaded manual in the root of my player? I expected and would want to chose where it will be saved (as I can't view the pdf or zipped html on my player anyways) |
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| 19:35:42 | obo | funman: experimentation - for (int i = 0; i <= 31; i++) GPIO_CLEAR_BITWISE(GPIOB_OUTPUT_VAL, 1<<i); |
| 19:35:53 | funman | I understand feature freeze will end today with the 3.3 branching ? |
| 19:36:32 | funman | obo: if you make sure which bit exactly controls the backlight, you can look in the OF for references to this GPIO bit , |
| 19:36:58 | obo | funman: but it might be more than just the backlight - I think it's actually shutting down the LCD itself |
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| 19:37:55 | funman | then I suppose a reference to this bit would be very close to the lcd init procedure ;) |
| 19:38:05 | obo | funman: but yes, I was hoping to be able to reference any findings back to the disassembly |
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| 19:38:30 | funman | if the OF programmers cared about battery life they would write it just prior the lcd init itself |
| 19:38:49 | obo | funman: caring about battery life in the bootloader? |
| 19:40:07 | funman | i think i would do that, i also think that like us they used the same code for bootloader and the OF.mi4, but you're the one who knows |
| 19:42:34 | obo | okay, makes sense to reuse it. |
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| 19:58:15 | bluebrother | pixelma: the reason is simply that it was the easiest solution when I implemented it. If we want it to ask for a location we can of course change it. |
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| 20:12:24 | pixelma | bluebrother: that's what I would wish - but wouldn't give it a high priority. Maybe others could state their opinions too |
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| 20:15:19 | bluebrother | pixelma: well, at least I agree that it would be nicer :) |
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| 20:17:13 | bluebrother | interested in a svn build? Given the 404 issues it might be a good idea to do a new release soon |
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| 20:30:27 | pixelma | bluebrother: wouldn't mind trying if you compile one for me |
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| 20:35:14 | bluebrother | pixelma: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutilqt-svn.zip |
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| 20:40:20 | * | pixelma wonders wether the latest downloadable c200 bootloader already has the boot into the OF on USB from an off-state removed |
| 20:41:11 | gevaerts | pixelma: only the one on FS |
| 20:42:35 | pixelma | pity, I would totally have tried bootloader installation with RBUtil otherwise. Or can I point it to another download link? |
| 20:43:18 | pixelma | my c200 bootloader is so old that it still has the "e200" string in it ;) |
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| 20:44:50 | gevaerts | exact bootloader version shouldn't matter for testing rbutil |
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| 20:46:02 | pixelma | yes, but I wanted some incentive to actually replace the old bootloader |
| 20:53:01 | * | bertrik wonders why we are using the ams sansa timers in 16- bit mode instead of 32-bit mode |
| 20:57:56 | pixelma | bluebrother: first testing with my Ondio - the download (with button) works correctly now, also the "open in browser" ones. I also creation of some talk clips (SAPI engine). Minor "glitch" for theme installation (though I would have no idea how to prevent that, except maybe check for the existence of the .rockbox dir) - theme installation would install the theme anyways although I disconnected the Ondio's main "disk" and inserteed the MMC, so it |
| 20:57:56 | pixelma | installed onto the MMC (creating the .rockbox dir) |
| 20:58:27 | pixelma | I don't know if that can happen on other targets too, but on the Ondio you can only have access to one or the other |
| 20:59:08 | pixelma | it's not a big deal as it doesn't do harm |
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| 21:02:50 | bluebrother | wasn't aware that the ondio has excluding access |
| 21:03:50 | pixelma | but installing .talk clips worked correctly, even on the MMC |
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| 21:10:31 | pixelma | bluebrother: in the "are you sure you really want to download" box, why are the buttons labeled "yes" / "no" when in my German windows? Not that I mind much but it surprised as the rest of the UI is translated (guessing for some qt related weirdness though) |
| 21:11:03 | pixelma | the download itself worked with my c200 as well |
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| 21:31:24 | amiconn | pixelma, bluebrother: I guess this is the same problem that quassel also used to have: the translation of standard dialogs is part of Qt, not of rbutil's translation |
| 21:31:49 | amiconn | Fixing it requires including (at least some of) the Qt translations in the static build |
| 21:31:52 | amiconn | iirc |
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| 21:34:41 | pixelma | bluebrother: trying to install a latest available bootloader on my c200 now and testing - limited access detection worked correctly, bootloader installation did too |
| 21:35:29 | * | pixelma thinks "Boot Ver. 5.0" sounds odd |
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| 21:44:55 | Ramone | Hey |
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| 21:46:55 | JdGordon| | oh lame.. there is still alist item alignment issue when you go up folders :( |
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| 21:55:31 | CIA-37 | New commit by bluebrother (r21249): Allow building beastpatcher with libmtp 0.2.[0-5]. |
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| 21:59:04 | Unhelpful | saratoga: i'll try to help if i can. i don't really have any uncommon knowledge of that. :) |
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| 22:01:40 | Unhelpful | Llorean: i don't know that scaled and thresholded fonts would produce very nice results. i would suggest for such a purpose that we add a 2x or 3x mono bitmap blit rather than attempt to use the scaler. |
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| 22:36:06 | CIA-37 | New commit by gevaerts (r21250): call default_event_handler() in action_userabort() for events other than ACTION_STD_CANCEL, so things like usb events work properly. This partly fixes ... |
| 22:36:24 | * | gevaerts had hoped for a magical fix for all issues |
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| 22:43:56 | CIA-37 | New commit by bertrik (r21251): Minor nitpick: don't do |= on the write-only GPIOA_IC register |
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| 22:46:12 | bertrik | can anyone with an e200v2 try my patch on fs#10267? |
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| 22:54:48 | casainho | hello :-) |
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| 22:55:57 | casainho | I would like to know if I could make a hardware player but using one "VS1053 - Ogg Vorbis/MP3/AAC/WMA/MIDI audio codec", and if so, what would be the RAM needed for running Rockbox |
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| 23:02:17 | Bagder | casainho: it depends on the display then I guess, and how much plugin etc ability you want |
| 23:02:37 | Bagder | assuming you then wouldn't use any rockbox sw codecs |
| 23:02:55 | Bagder | casainho: you would probably also get some hefty porting work |
| 23:03:07 | bluebrother | is there a way to retrieve the filename for a tmpfile() file? |
| 23:06:45 | JdGordon| | wont adding a new hwcodec mean bassically fully reimplementing mpeg.c? |
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| 23:09:14 | casainho | Bagder: I am seeing to much troubles making a ARM9 board, because of BGA packages. I was thinking if I could use an ARM7 + that VS1053, so, I need to know how many SDRAM I would need for a LCD of 320x240 |
| 23:09:32 | casainho | is there any Rockbox target with hardware codec and color LCD? |
| 23:09:49 | Bagder | no |
| 23:10:01 | Bagder | and color is not the only factor |
| 23:10:16 | gevaerts | casainho: by doing that you're really going to make something that nobody wants |
| 23:11:00 | casainho | gevaerts: ah... I think I understand.... :-( |
| 23:11:35 | casainho | I was looking for some ARM SoC for this kind of project... but, without being BGA package |
| 23:16:24 | Bagder | yeah, I figure many/most SoCs are bga |
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| 23:21:59 | casainho | that ones from VLSI are TQFP :-) |
| 23:22:33 | casainho | so, ARM7 + VLSI = TQFP, which is cheap for boards and simple tecnhology |
| 23:23:03 | Bagder | and boring |
| 23:23:05 | gevaerts | probably, but you'll get something with about the capabilities of a $3 chinese DAP |
| 23:23:09 | linuxstb | Bagder: Did you spot funman's request a couple of days ago (in IRC) to remove mkamsboot-1.0 from the download servers? He unintentionally added the ability to patch untested OF versions, so wants to withdraw that release. |
| 23:23:26 | Bagder | linuxstb: ah no, I missed that. will comply |
| 23:23:28 | Unhelpful | and by using something that is already outdated, you're pretty much killing commercial prospects. |
| 23:23:54 | linuxstb | Bagder: Thanks. Will it automatically get removed from the mirrors? |
| 23:23:59 | Bagder | yes |
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| 23:32:06 | * | linuxstb wonders if that VS1053 DSP comes with docs... |
| 23:32:52 | Unhelpful | linuxstb: you're thinking it might be somewhat *less* of an albatross on the projects neck if we could write codecs for it? :) |
| 23:33:20 | linuxstb | Unhelpful: Could be fun... |
| 23:33:47 | linuxstb | There is an obvious lack of any lossless formats. |
| 23:34:00 | Bagder | midi! ;-) |
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| 23:34:21 | Unhelpful | i wonder how well lossless formats work on DSP architectures. they tend to use rather different techniques than lossy. |
| 23:34:44 | Bagder | it claims wav support |
| 23:35:01 | Bagder | http://www.vlsi.fi/fileadmin/datasheets/vlsi/vs1053.pdf |
| 23:35:55 | bluebrother | amazing. Using beastpatcher on WXP to send the Rockbox bootloader results in the device rejecting it but works using a dualboot nk.bin. Using beastpatcher on linux and it works fine. WTF...? |
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| 23:36:13 | Bagder | "This product is protected by certain intellectual property rights of Microsoft and cannot be used or further distributed without a license from Microsoft." |
| 23:36:14 | Bagder | ! |
| 23:36:40 | bluebrother | nice, yet another MS tax :) |
| 23:37:17 | Bagder | "contains AAC technology (ISO/IEC 13818-7 and ISO/IEC 14496-3) which cannot be used without a proper license from Via Licensing Corporation or individual patent holders." |
| 23:37:24 | Bagder | what a mess |
| 23:37:44 | linuxstb | Bagder: Yes, I'm just reading that pdf - it seems quite thorough on first glance... |
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| 23:40:59 | Bagder | http://www.egnite.de/produkte/embedded-systeme/elektor-internet-radio-10.html |
| 23:41:07 | Bagder | looks like what casainho spoke about |
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| 23:45:01 | funman | bertrik: the sansa ams use the timer in 16 bits mode because it "ought to be enough for everybody" |
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| 23:47:04 | bertrik | funman, using it in 32-bit mode makes all of the prescaler stuff unnecessary so the code even gets smaller |
| 23:47:37 | bertrik | I see only advantages in using it in 32-bit mode (assuming the datasheet is correct) |
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| 23:48:33 | bertrik | 32-bit mode allows timeouts up to 178 seconds |
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| 23:50:23 | bertrik | I think we're also a tiny step closer to solving the e200v2 radio mystery |
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| 23:53:57 | bertrik | funman, I think the sansa clip alternative button driver is ready for commit, do you still see any problems / objections to it? |
| 23:54:38 | funman | I think I supposed 32bits operation would be more complex for the hardware, just by seeing 16bits is the default. |
| 23:58:41 | bertrik | it's a mystery to me why it even has a 16-bit mode |
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