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| 00:13:18 | notlistening | bluebrother: bit of a side question, can the rbutility be used to generate voiced manus for a unsupported build anyway? |
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| 00:13:56 | notlistening | :D timing |
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| 00:16:30 | Blue_Dude | I'm putting the custom build define in the config.h file. We'll see if that does the trick. |
| 00:22:23 | CIA-37 | New commit by amiconn (r21267): Fix the charcell viewport defaults. The statusbar is offscreen on charcell. This fixes e.g. the yesno screen when deleting files. |
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| 00:37:17 | Blue_Dude | New version of FS #10324 is up. This one limits the WAV output function to simulator builds. |
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| 00:39:31 | CIA-37 | New commit by amiconn (r21268): (Release branch) Fix the charcell viewport defaults. The statusbar is offscreen on charcell. This fixes e.g. the yesno screen when deleting files. |
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| 00:56:07 | Chesteta | hey is bertrik here? I was going to test the fm patches you mentioned... would that need a bootloader rebuild or just rb? |
| 00:56:17 | amiconn | JdGordon: Speaking about the Delete? screen - it seems there something redundant. |
| 00:57:11 | amiconn | First, the yesno screen asks whether to delete the item. If the answer is yes, the yesno screen prints the "Deleting.." message, still together with the path |
| 00:57:55 | JdGordon| | ... ok, so whats the problem? |
| 00:58:01 | amiconn | But afterwards the delete_handler in onplay.c shows a splash "Deleting...." with no further data. That seems redundant and unnecessary |
| 00:58:02 | JdGordon| | it might take a while to delete no? |
| 00:58:22 | JdGordon| | probably a VERY old bug... you're welcome to fix it |
| 00:58:38 | amiconn | I think this might be a leftover from pre-yesno screen times |
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| 00:58:55 | JdGordon| | which is before me.. so yeah... |
| 00:59:29 | amiconn | ...and could hence go away. The 'yes' message (Deleting... / pathname) shows more information than this splash |
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| 01:00:41 | amiconn | Hmm, but if you delete a folder, the remove_dir() function will show further splashes |
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| 02:54:05 | delt | Hello all |
| 02:54:19 | delt | question about "preliminary support for Apple's Ipod Accessory Protocol" |
| 02:54:46 | delt | ipod nano, rockbox-current. will it stop charging the battery when it's full? |
| 02:55:52 | delt | or do i still have to put on the "lock" switch before plugging it into the charger/dock if i don't want to kill my battery in a few months? |
| 02:59:31 | notlistening | think most of the knowledgable ones are sleeping ;) |
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| 03:00:03 | delt | probably, it must be around 3 in the morning over there... the netherlands i think? |
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| 03:25:25 | delt | anyway bbl |
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| 05:53:46 | r0b- | os amypme awale! |
| 05:53:52 | r0b- | awake! |
| 05:56:08 | robin0800 | yes |
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| 07:01:44 | r0b- | robin0800 are you knowledgable |
| 07:06:27 | robin0800 | yes |
| 07:07:22 | robin0800 | r0b-: just ask |
| 07:17:37 | r0b- | is there any way to get scrolling in the dict plugin on the e250 |
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| 07:32:43 | robin0800 | r0b-: don't know just tried on my c240 and it crashes |
| 07:34:45 | r0b- | i wish they would finalize that :( |
| 07:38:12 | r0b- | robin0800 may i pm you? |
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| 07:58:51 | Llorean | r0b-: "they"? Remember, Rockbox is all volunteer effort, if you want something done work on it. |
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| 07:59:00 | Llorean | Very little work has been done on dict in a long, long time |
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| 08:00:46 | r0b- | i am working on a windows pc |
| 08:01:59 | Llorean | Development can be done on Windows as well. If you don't want to work on it, that's fine. My point, though, was that if the people who *want* the feature won't do it, there's not really much point expecting someone else to. |
| 08:02:05 | r0b- | ill look and see what i can do |
| 08:03:09 | r0b- | Llorean will Visual Studio 2008 work? |
| 08:03:32 | Llorean | No, there's instructions for getting the proper development environment set up in the wiki. |
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| 08:19:32 | r0b- | looking at the code it shouldnt be hard |
| 08:19:52 | r0b- | i just need to figure out how the keypad controls are assigned |
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| 09:32:03 | * | bluebrother has a single exe beastpatcher now :) |
| 09:32:37 | linuxstb | bluebrother: What was it before? Ah, you mean static linking? |
| 09:33:13 | bluebrother | not exactly static linking −− building everything together. |
| 09:34:35 | linuxstb | So you've got rid of the lib completely? |
| 09:35:34 | bluebrother | I just added all sources from beastpatcher and MTP_DLL to one project and build it. After some small adjustments of course. And adding the libraries for linking that MTP_DLL uses. |
| 09:36:12 | bluebrother | not sure if it's worth the work to make MTP_DLL a static library and link that instead. I'd need to figure how that works first ;) |
| 09:36:16 | linuxstb | Is all the licensing for beastpatcher clear now? I forget what was concluded about the Creative example code... |
| 09:36:34 | linuxstb | bluebrother: No, I wouldn't bother with that. |
| 09:37:35 | bluebrother | as far as I know the creative code is considered free for use. See the README in the MTP_DLL folder. |
| 09:41:26 | bluebrother | btw, any thoughts on moving bin2c out of the sansapatcher folder? As it is now used by different tools having it in a more common location sounds reasonable to me. Maybe in tools? Or a separate folder below rbutil? |
| 09:48:22 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Yes, perhaps rbutil/tools/ |
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| 10:12:45 | CIA-37 | New commit by bluebrother (r21269): Some more MTP_DLL cleanup. ... |
| 10:18:01 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Have you thought about the old sendfirm? Does that still build for Windows? |
| 10:18:49 | bluebrother | yes, it does. |
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| 10:19:32 | bluebrother | beastpatcher can now send arbitrary files too ... |
| 10:20:00 | linuxstb | Why? Isn't that sendfirm's job? |
| 10:20:40 | amiconn | What happened to the "recover original nk.bin" idea? |
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| 10:21:33 | bluebrother | well, IMO that's similar to ipodpatcher: it allows writing an arbitrary binary file too, so I don't see a reason why beastpatcher shouldn't be able to do it too |
| 10:24:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think simply that no-one has taken it forward. I think it's the way to go, but somehow doing it on-target, rather than from a host computer. |
| 10:25:08 | linuxstb | bluebrother: OK. |
| 10:25:39 | bluebrother | there's also still the issue with some beasts rejecting the single-boot bootloader :/ |
| 10:26:49 | amiconn | Maybe it is just a size issue? |
| 10:26:50 | linuxstb | Do we have a flyspray task for that? It would be nice to try and narrow down the cause - e.g. OF version, size of bootloader, ... |
| 10:27:12 | bluebrother | possible. Haven't investigated. |
| 10:27:31 | amiconn | OF version shouldn't be involved, but there might be different versions of the loader (in flash) |
| 10:27:53 | linuxstb | I seem to remember jhMikeS attempting to build single-boot bootloaders with padding, but can't recall the outcome... |
| 10:28:16 | rodan | hi |
| 10:28:46 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, that's what I meant. Upgrading to 1.3 of the OF with Toshiba's tool seemed to cause issues for people, and I'm assuming that updated the loader. |
| 10:29:21 | bluebrother | linuxstb: FS #9778 |
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| 10:58:51 | CIA-37 | New commit by bluebrother (r21270): Build beastpatcher by incorporating the MTP_DLL code instead of linking the DLL. |
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| 11:18:04 | BdN3504 | Anyone here? i just made something like an in-depth tutorial on WPS creation. Do you think i shall add it to the wiki somewhere? http://pastebin.com/f7104ed40 |
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| 11:38:28 | notlistening | bluebrother, with rbutil when a wav file is generated by a speech engine is it immediately processed into mp3/spex before the next sound clip is generated |
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| 11:41:45 | bluebrother | notlistening: is that a question or a statement? |
| 11:42:54 | notlistening | question sorry |
| 11:46:33 | bluebrother | as far as I can see from the code (at least for voicefile creation) all strings are voiced, then encoded. |
| 11:46:50 | bluebrother | domonoky is more familiar with voice code (he wrote it ;-) |
| 11:48:03 | notlistening | right will wait for him then thanks |
| 11:48:41 | notlistening | i had another question you might know, is there a way to generate the voiced menus for an unsupported build? |
| 11:49:12 | bluebrother | unsupported as in modified or not-yet-released target? |
| 11:50:19 | amiconn | notlistening: If you are fiddling with an unreleased target, you need a build environment anyway. Just use that to build voice files instead of rbutil then |
| 11:50:58 | * | amiconn always builds all voice files he needs in cygwin |
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| 11:52:41 | notlistening | amiconn, that sounds like what I am after but was not sure how to do that? |
| 11:53:14 | amiconn | Just create a build directory, and the use 'configure' to configure a voice build (it's under (A)dvanced) |
| 11:53:20 | amiconn | Then 'make voice' |
| 11:53:37 | bluebrother | rbutil needs the output of genlang (via the website). I could imagine that the website will happily handle that for an unreleased target |
| 11:54:18 | notlistening | Brillant. teach me not to look into the options ;) |
| 11:54:53 | notlistening | but the issue is can you specify an unrleased target in rbutil somehow? |
| 11:55:27 | pixelma | bluebrother: could it also provide this for modified builds (such as RTC modded H100 etc.)? |
| 11:57:09 | bluebrother | pixelma: in case of the RTC mod it should work −− it uses features.txt |
| 11:57:59 | pixelma | I can't follow your reasoning it seems |
| 11:58:18 | bluebrother | thinking about it it should even work without further changes: building voicefiles uses the features stated in rockbox-info.txt |
| 11:59:02 | pixelma | ah, and RBUtil uses the one found on the player? |
| 11:59:40 | bluebrother | well, that genlang is a script on the server that gets asked about the strings. It needs language, target, features and revision. Thus it could work if you pass it a target that is in svn but not supported by rbutil |
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| 12:03:16 | bluebrother | yes, it uses the features defined in the file on the player. |
| 12:06:30 | notlistening | So in theroy it just works? |
| 12:06:47 | bluebrother | well, as far as I understand it ;-) |
| 12:07:39 | notlistening | Ok, well as yet i have not got my player to work with the voice fukes but i reserve any further commentuntil i investigate more |
| 12:08:13 | pixelma | if that theory is correct, then it should also work with unsupported targets as soon as you have a build on your player that correctly includes the features.txt |
| 12:08:59 | bluebrother | pixelma: no, because the target is taken from the settings instead of the player. AFAIK. |
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| 12:09:43 | notlistening | thats what i thought that rbutil was using the predefined selection |
| 12:10:43 | pixelma | hmm, forgot that there are some target specific voice strings |
| 12:11:43 | notlistening | was there a reason for this behaviour and not taking it from the player? |
| 12:12:25 | bluebrother | the device selection? Well, it's already selected by the user, hence already available. No need to read it again. |
| 12:12:58 | pixelma | target etc. are also mentioned in the rockbox-info.txt |
| 12:13:48 | bluebrother | well, it's definitely arguable what's the best way to retrieve those values. |
| 12:15:08 | notlistening | okay we are after slightly different things, I think the way you have it working for supported build only is just fine but maybe an advanced option fir those in development and using custom build would be nice to specify rockbox-info.txt |
| 12:19:54 | bluebrother | I'm not sure if re really want this. Rockbox Utility is the end-user installation tool. That unfortunately leaves out use cases like an almost-releasted target. |
| 12:20:37 | bluebrother | not sure what's the best way to handle this. |
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| 12:21:44 | bluebrother | gtg now. bbl. |
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| 12:46:09 | notlistening | amiconn, should the build generate the voice file for you and add into the zip at the end ? |
| 12:47:03 | pixelma | you "make voice" seperately and will get a <yourselectedlanguage>.voice in the build folder |
| 12:47:51 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding |
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| 13:11:20 | notlistening | thanks pixelma |
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| 15:06:55 | Bagder | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21918.0 |
| 15:07:06 | Bagder | openal ? as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAL ? |
| 15:07:25 | gevaerts | sounds like that to me |
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| 15:42:24 | gevaerts | tomers: I'll see if I can find out what's happening with HID one of these days. I do have an analyzer here (MQP Packet-Master USB480), so I should be able to get something done |
| 15:47:12 | tomers | gevarts: Thanks. I believe I just missing something in these HID reports... |
| 15:49:17 | gevaerts | probably |
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| 15:52:23 | Kohlrabi | Hi, is there any way I could help in developing rockbox for Sansa Clip v2 target? |
| 15:58:30 | bertrik | yes, probably |
| 15:58:54 | bertrik | make sure to read the ams sansa forum thread and the wiki entries on ams sansas and the clip wiki in particular |
| 15:59:28 | bertrik | I think funman also looked a bit at the clipv2, not sure if he already tested out the dual-bootloader on it |
| 15:59:43 | Kohlrabi | 'kay, thanks |
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| 16:01:05 | bertrik | the thread is at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064 and the wiki page i was referring to is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaAMS |
| 16:01:38 | Kohlrabi | The missing recovery mode sounds dangerous :I |
| 16:02:46 | bertrik | there's a patch for clipv2 here http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10047 |
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| 16:03:35 | CIA-37 | New commit by bluebrother (r21271): Refactor sendfirm functionality in beastpatcher and do some code police. |
| 16:04:26 | funman | Kohlrabi: hi, clipv2 dualboot works fine here, on the patch bertrik mentioned there is also code for lcd and buttons, and some work on SD driver |
| 16:04:48 | funman | I was just looking at AS3531 doc on the internet, but nowhere I can find which SD controller is used :( |
| 16:04:49 | bertrik | Kohlrabi, IIUC some players got bricked in the initial dual-bootloader work, but otherwise the odds of bricking turn out to be quite small |
| 16:05:59 | bertrik | funman, my first guess would be that it is the same as in the v1 |
| 16:06:00 | Kohlrabi | so, first step would of course be to install the DB-loader? |
| 16:07:05 | funman | bertrik: no it's not, some peripherals are the same (dma for example), but definitely not SD |
| 16:07:32 | funman | Kohlrabi: you must patch a clipv2 firmware each time you want to run code because we don't have access to storage atm |
| 16:07:39 | bertrik | yeah, but first get the latest sources from svn, compile the cross-compiler, patch rockbox with the clipv2 patch, compile the bootloader and create a firmware update file with it using mkamsboot |
| 16:07:52 | funman | mkamsboot in svn supports clipv2, but i didn't merge/sync the clipv2 patch yet |
| 16:08:04 | Kohlrabi | sounds like the sane solution would be to set up a dev-environment on my debian box then |
| 16:08:25 | bertrik | yes, it's all a lot faster and easier on linux IMO |
| 16:12:37 | bertrik | funman, by the way I tested the timers in 32-bit mode on ams and they work as expected (committed already) |
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| 16:14:36 | funman_ | I found mention of as353x and linux on a deleted page of ams chinese website, perhaps we can look if ams submitted patches to lkml (i doubt it since the as3525 patches were not worked after they had been rejected) |
| 16:14:47 | funman_ | bertrik: i noticed, thanks :) |
| 16:15:53 | CIA-37 | New commit by bluebrother (r21272): Make bin2c compile with VS2005 and move it to a separate folder as its getting used by different tools now. |
| 16:16:06 | Kohlrabi | bertrik, funman: do I need to follow the manual guide here? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 16:16:15 | Kohlrabi | Do I need to patch my gcc? |
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| 16:16:37 | bluebrother | Kohlrabi: you should be able to use tools/rockboxdev.sh which does everything for you |
| 16:17:53 | bertrik | Kohlrabi, I recommend the automatic build with rockboxdev.sh |
| 16:18:15 | Kohlrabi | k |
| 16:18:16 | Kohlrabi | omw |
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| 16:18:44 | bertrik | it patches only the target specific gcc, your host gcc stays the same |
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| 16:22:15 | Kohlrabi | ok, thanks |
| 16:23:04 | funman_ | my linux 2.6.29.4 has a MACH_AS353X entry in arch/arm/tools/mach-types |
| 16:23:49 | Kohlrabi | one day with the clip, and I'm already annoyed by lack of gapless support :( |
| 16:23:54 | funman_ | only in this file though, I don't know how these entries get added |
| 16:29:32 | funman_ | see http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blobdiff;f=arch/arm/tools/mach-types;h=b4211d8b2ac706de53314c2d95d3ccaedeaa98b0;hp=fd23c0e9e69863d5bfdec7ad61ee1a2568e1f820;hb=305b07680f6c6a7e59f996c5bd85f009caff5bb1;hpb=446c92b2901bedb3725d29b4e73def8aba623ffc |
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| 16:45:10 | Kohlrabi | bertrik: I tried t patch with the clibv2 patch, and it tells me "reversed patch detected" |
| 16:46:07 | Kohlrabi | clip* |
| 16:46:08 | bertrik | hm, then the patch is partially out of date probably |
| 16:46:15 | Kohlrabi | yep |
| 16:46:24 | Kohlrabi | Still works? |
| 16:47:03 | bertrik | no idea, I haven't worked on clipv2 myself. A lot of changes for ams sansas have recently been committed |
| 16:48:23 | Kohlrabi | funman's gone |
| 16:48:29 | Kohlrabi | I'll check back later :) |
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| 16:54:49 | kugel | bertrik: I think you have a typo in the 32bit timer commit |
| 16:55:13 | bertrik | oh |
| 16:55:56 | kugel | in timer.c it says "TIMER1_CONTROL = (TIMER2_CONTROL & (1<<4)) |", shouldn't it be TIMER1_CONTROL? |
| 16:56:36 | bertrik | yes, ah stupid |
| 16:57:18 | kugel | sorry for telling so late, I already noticed it when it was on the tracke :( |
| 16:57:20 | bertrik | I'll fix that right away |
| 16:59:20 | bertrik | no problem, it's my bug :| |
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| 17:29:27 | tomers | gevaerts: What can you tell about using Wireshark for USB capture? Does it work only on Linux? |
| 17:30:15 | gevaerts | it's linux-only as far as I know, yes. There are also some windows things thoug |
| 17:30:36 | gevaerts | The problem with them is that they do nearly no decoding, so you have to do that yourself |
| 17:32:23 | tomers | I am googling for more info on how to set it up. Is it required to re-compile the kernel (I am using vanilla Ubuntu) |
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| 17:34:35 | kkurbjun | tomers you shouldn't have to recompile your kernel |
| 17:34:45 | kkurbjun | ubuntu has it as a loadable module |
| 17:35:02 | gevaerts | ah, good :) |
| 17:35:04 | * | gevaerts wasn't sure |
| 17:35:36 | kkurbjun | like gevaerts said though, it doesn't do much decoding.. I guess if you want to see the full packet size with extra debug messages you would have to recompile |
| 17:36:05 | kkurbjun | I think you have to manually set some things outside of make config if you want the full packets |
| 17:36:19 | r0b- | does rockbox automaticly stop charging when the battery is full? |
| 17:36:26 | gevaerts | if you're used to the software that comes with decent hardware tracers, you are going to be disappointed |
| 17:36:31 | kkurbjun | I was able to see everything I needed for debugging mass storage though |
| 17:38:23 | kkurbjun | tomers: also as a heads up I don't think that the latest ubuntu kernel release has usbmon as a module, I boot in the older kernel 2.6.27-11 |
| 17:38:36 | kkurbjun | that is with ubuntu 9.04 |
| 17:39:36 | tomers | kkburbjun: Ubuntu 9.04 is 2.6.28-11-generic |
| 17:39:37 | kkurbjun | gevaerts: yeah, it doesn't do much.. It only seems to do any decoding if you are connnected at high speed too, it doesn't decode anything at fullspeed |
| 17:40:49 | kkurbjun | let me check my laptop, I clearly havn't updated the kernel on this one in a while (since 8.10 apparently).. the laptop had usbmon, but on an older version.. |
| 17:41:53 | kkurbjun | yeah, it's 2.6.26-11 on the laptop as well, latest is 2.6.28-11, but that didn't have usbmon as a compiled module |
| 17:43:33 | gevaerts | at least you don't have to patch libpcap and wireshark anymore... |
| 17:44:02 | tomers | So how can you get usbmod on 2.6.28-11? |
| 17:45:10 | kkurbjun | I would gess that you have to recompile the kernel, or at least the module, I've never compiled a module seperate from doing a complete kernel build though... your computer doesn't have the older kernel installed with 2.6.28-11? |
| 17:45:43 | kkurbjun | I installed 9.04 fresh on the laptop (it was when if first came out) and it had 2.6.26-11 on it also |
| 17:46:27 | kugel | you can build modules only with make modules, but I don't know if it requires the kernel to be build already nor whether you can select single modules |
| 17:46:33 | tomers | I didn't install Ubuntu yet on that computer. I am about to install Ubuntu 9.04 vanilla, so I just wonder if there is anything special I have to do in order to have wireshark capturing USB for me |
| 17:47:00 | kkurbjun | oh, gotcha, I think that it installs 2.6.26-11 as well, at least it did for me |
| 17:48:59 | Mikachu | as long as it's the same kernel source you can probably copy /proc/config.gz to .config, add the module, build, and copy the .ko to /lib/modules/... and modprobe it |
| 17:49:39 | Mikachu | should be the same compiler version too |
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| 17:50:21 | TBOL3 | Maybe you guys can help me, for some reason, Rockbox has started acting strangely as of the past two days. |
| 17:50:46 | kkurbjun | Mikachu: is /proc/config.gz standard? I don't seem to have it on my system |
| 17:50:58 | gevaerts | try /boot/config* |
| 17:51:02 | Mikachu | kkurbjun: well, it's a config option :) |
| 17:51:09 | TBOL3 | First, bookmarks, for some reason, I can't make them. When I go to create bookmark, the player freezes, I can hold down the power button, as if I was going to make a hard reset, and ocasionally, it will say bookmark created |
| 17:51:37 | kkurbjun | yeah, boot definately has backups of the config files |
| 17:51:39 | TBOL3 | but then no bookmark was made. Next, the player won't auto turn off, but I think I might have done that. |
| 17:53:01 | TBOL3 | I am using r21139-090531 |
| 17:53:18 | gevaerts | TBOL3: which DAP is this? |
| 17:53:19 | TBOL3 | Hmm, that's interesting, I updated the firmware yesterday. |
| 17:53:25 | TBOL3 | Oh, sorry, sansa e260. |
| 17:54:18 | TBOL3 | Hmm, yes, it says it should poweroff after 1 min. of being idle, but it doesn't. |
| 17:54:42 | kkurbjun | I'm looking through the config file on the 2.6.28-11 kernel and it looks like USB mon might just be built in without having to modprobe it |
| 17:55:06 | kkurbjun | I was just trying a modprobe on my laptop saw that the module wasn't there and went to the older kernel |
| 17:55:13 | kkurbjun | CONFIG_USB_MON=y |
| 17:55:20 | gevaerts | TBOL3: one thing that might be worth trying is checking the filesystem |
| 17:55:58 | kkurbjun | so tomers you probably don't have to do anything on 2.6.28-11 other than mount debugfs |
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| 17:56:08 | TBOL3 | Do you mean check to see if it's Fat32? |
| 17:56:27 | gevaerts | no, check if it's corrupted |
| 17:56:47 | TBOL3 | Okay, sorry for being a bit of a n00b, but how would I do that in kde. |
| 17:56:48 | TBOL3 | ? |
| 17:56:55 | tomers | kkurbjun: Thanks |
| 17:57:56 | tomers | kkurbjun: How does debugfs relates to USB monitoring? |
| 17:58:26 | kkurbjun | sorry, usbfs |
| 17:58:29 | gevaerts | TBOL3: fsck.vfat |
| 17:58:39 | kkurbjun | I was using debugfs for some additional information |
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| 18:01:12 | gevaerts | if it's built-in, just running wireshark and starting a trace on the right interface should be enough |
| 18:01:48 | gevaerts | tomers: I've made a trace of a HID connection and added it to your FS entry |
| 18:02:32 | kkurbjun | gevaerts: I think you have to mount usbfs first otherwise wireshark doesn't see the usb interfaces |
| 18:02:46 | gevaerts | hm, maybe |
| 18:02:58 | kkurbjun | tomers: I just double checked wireshark on 2.6.28-11 after mounting usbfs and it works fine |
| 18:03:44 | kkurbjun | so all I did was sudo mount -t usbfs /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb and then launched wireshark, picked the bus and I can monitor the packets |
| 18:03:47 | tomers | kkurbjun: Great. So I can install Ubuntu now... Will 9.10 also support USB monitoring in Wireshare? |
| 18:04:37 | kkurbjun | tomers: I would guess yes, but really I have no idea, that's up to the ubuntu developers |
| 18:04:39 | Nico_P | kugel: here? |
| 18:05:06 | kugel | yes |
| 18:05:40 | Nico_P | I just read a post you made on anythingbutipod about the ubuntu 9.04 bug with usb |
| 18:06:02 | Nico_P | you said gphoto package have been updated, but I'm not seeing that update. do you know how I can get it? |
| 18:06:27 | kugel | well, the update manager installed an update that day |
| 18:06:39 | kugel | but it apparently didn't contain the usb fixes :( |
| 18:06:59 | Nico_P | ok :( |
| 18:07:17 | Nico_P | do you know what the easiest fix is? |
| 18:07:47 | kugel | I compiled my own libgphoto |
| 18:07:47 | TBOL3 | Okay, I used the command fsck.vfat /media/Sansa\ e260/ |
| 18:08:22 | TBOL3 | And the results, dosfsck 3.0.1, 23 Nov 2008, FAT32, LFN Read 512 bytes at 0:Is a directory |
| 18:08:43 | kugel | I downloaded the source.deb, made sure the fix is included (it wasn't when I downloaded it), then I applied the ubuntu diff and used build-pkg (or dpkg-build or something) |
| 18:08:44 | TBOL3 | Oh, and ubuntu updated HAL yesterday, it might have made a difference, but I've been on kde since. |
| 18:09:32 | Nico_P | kugel: alright, I'll do that then. thanks |
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| 18:12:54 | tomers | gevaerts: Can you please upload a recording of the PowerPoint keys? BTW Ellisys Visual USB is far berret TMO... |
| 18:12:55 | kugel | Nico_P: hm, I think I checked their svn out instead of downloading the source.deb |
| 18:13:16 | Nico_P | I found a patch that applies on the source.deb |
| 18:16:35 | kugel | I guess the libgphoto deb for 9.10 also has the fix |
| 18:20:00 | r0b- | where might i find additional rockbox plugins? |
| 18:21:00 | krazykit | all the ones currently suitable for inclusion are included |
| 18:21:16 | krazykit | there are others in various stages of development on flyspray, though |
| 18:21:46 | gevaerts | tomers: I'll do that later today. I know this isn't perfect, but ellisys was also about 8 times as expensive :) |
| 18:22:07 | * | gevaerts has to go now |
| 18:22:30 | r0b- | flyspray.org? |
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| 18:47:11 | BryanJacobs | d |
| 18:47:16 | BryanJacobs | oops, sorry |
| 18:53:49 | bluebrother | r0b-: there are no additional plugins. There are a few additional plugins as patches in the tracker, but you need to compile those yourself |
| 18:55:01 | TBOL3 | Okay, I think i have the trouble sorted out, it was really weird. |
| 18:55:13 | TBOL3 | If any of you care, I'll put what I think happened here. |
| 18:55:32 | TBOL3 | First, do any of you know if the rockbox utility uses the gtk+ library? |
| 18:56:21 | krazykit | it uses qt |
| 18:56:32 | TBOL3 | Hmm, that's interesting. |
| 18:56:33 | krazykit | qt4, more precisely |
| 18:57:01 | TBOL3 | Anyway, because of the gphoto bug, I downloaded kubuntu-desktop, and have been using that to connect to my e260. |
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| 18:57:34 | TBOL3 | But any time I tried to connect using an app that used gtk+ (in particular, gpodder), the device would mysteriously dissapear. |
| 18:58:09 | TBOL3 | I noticed that, even though I updated to the latest current build yesterday, rockbox still claimed it was a month old build. |
| 18:58:23 | krazykit | then you didn't update |
| 18:58:28 | * | bluebrother wonders if the Rockbox Utility binary would be "rbutilqt" if it used Gtk+ |
| 18:58:56 | TBOL3 | And because I updated using the rockbox utility, in kubuntu, somehow, it wasn't connecting |
| 18:59:05 | TBOL3 | Oops, wow, I didn't realize that. |
| 18:59:18 | bluebrother | or why it has a "About Qt" menu entry :P |
| 18:59:46 | TBOL3 | But, either way, I booted to windows, and connected it to the rockbox utility there, and updated, and now, for some reason, it works fine. |
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| 19:00:24 | TBOL3 | Hmmm, I wonder what was happening then with qt, or maybe I inadvertantly had something mixed in there that made some type of unstable connection. |
| 19:01:00 | kugel | Unhelpful: what do you think of using exit() in pf? |
| 19:01:30 | bluebrother | Qt has nothing to do with the connection to the player. It "just" does the GUI stuff (and some system API abstraction) |
| 19:02:44 | martian67 | bluebrother, it does a bit more than that |
| 19:02:53 | martian67 | it has some multimedia functionality |
| 19:03:02 | martian67 | iirc |
| 19:04:23 | kugel | it has much more than plain gui |
| 19:04:33 | kugel | but that's not used much in rbutil |
| 19:05:02 | TBOL3 | bluebrother: I know it's just a desktop, but because people could conenct using kubuntu, but not with ubuntu, I assumed that ubuntu, somehow using gphoto, was preventing the device from being mounted as msc |
| 19:05:35 | TBOL3 | Oh well, I'm happy it worked, and I guess I'll go report this as a bug to launchpad, thank you |
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| 19:14:23 | martian67 | yea QT is much more of a cross platform c++ framework |
| 19:14:29 | martian67 | than a X11 widget set |
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| 19:24:18 | kugel | I decided for task :) |
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| 19:50:06 | gartral | mpegplayer will not play... it displays first frame of video and hangs the device (E250 v1) tryed with r21270 and 21273, files were encoded with FFMpeg and work without errors on my computer |
| 19:50:55 | CIA-37 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r21277): Add build* and output to svn:ignore of the root folder (FS #10314) |
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| 20:03:22 | kugel | why not sim* also? :( |
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| 20:05:48 | gartral | kugel: didnt think of it, ok i'll build a sim |
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| 20:06:10 | kugel | gartral: I was refering to the most recent commit |
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| 20:09:26 | gartral | ohh.. well.. testing the files in a sim is a good idea anyway |
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| 20:30:43 | bluebrother | martian67: of course I simplified a bit. For the multimedia stuff it uses phonon of the KDE project. |
| 20:32:07 | bluebrother | so it's not strictly Qt itself. Same with webkit. The network module (which we use) and the xml module (which we don't use) however are plain Qt afaik. |
| 20:32:16 | bluebrother | so that's non-GUI stuff |
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| 20:51:10 | OPP2 | hi i have a 5G ipod video what kind of battery life can I exepect with rockbox 3.2 |
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| 21:01:28 | delt | Hello all |
| 21:01:38 | delt | question |
| 21:02:07 | delt | "preliminary support for Apple's Ipod Accessory Protocol" −− ipod nano, rockbox-current. will it stop charging the battery when it's full? |
| 21:02:24 | delt | or do i still have to put on the "lock" switch before plugging it into the charger/dock if i don't want to kill my battery in a few months? |
| 21:02:58 | Mikachu | i don't think any of those three are related? |
| 21:03:20 | Mikachu | accessory protocol, charging, lock switch |
| 21:03:35 | delt | lock switch == boot into stock firmware |
| 21:03:54 | delt | which stops charging the battery once it's full |
| 21:04:35 | delt | if you keep charging a full battery, eventually it loses its zero point and holds less and less charge |
| 21:05:38 | delt | so if i keep my ipod on the little dock/charger thingy using rockbox 3.0, the battery life will be less and less |
| 21:07:42 | delt | actually its already starting to die :/ |
| 21:08:42 | delt | ipod nano, bought a few months ago from someone who used stock firmware, when i got it it was fine |
| 21:10:47 | gevaerts | delt: I at least never heard this (but I'm not an ipod specialist, so that doesn't mean much). |
| 21:11:41 | delt | what about players other than ipod? (they have batteries too?) |
| 21:12:08 | gevaerts | charging is very hardware dependent, so DAPs tend to have their own charging code |
| 21:12:39 | gevaerts | can you submit a bug report with all information you have? |
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| 21:13:24 | delt | isn't much information... i don't have the equipment to test voltage and current between the player and the dock |
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| 21:13:51 | gevaerts | maybe, but without a bug report nobody is going to look at it at all |
| 21:14:01 | Mikachu | if you boot back to the OF and charge, you still get short battery time then? |
| 21:14:58 | delt | hard to say... i'm not talking about how long -one- charge lasts... i mean the battery's performance in general |
| 21:15:11 | Mikachu | you said you noticed it has gotten worse |
| 21:15:49 | delt | so if i charge it using either software up to full, won't make a difference immediately, BUT i strongly suspect rockbox keeps charging the battery after it's full, which damages it over time |
| 21:16:11 | Mikachu | so if it isn't battery time, what have you actually noticed? |
| 21:16:49 | delt | the battery's performance has deteriorated. |
| 21:17:11 | kugel | hm |
| 21:17:29 | kugel | going to wps from plugins requires a tad bit of hacking in the core |
| 21:17:35 | delt | if i charge it up to 100%, and then disconnect the ipod, leave it turned off, a few hours later i turn it back on and it says 80% battery |
| 21:18:03 | delt | the next day it might even be down to 50% or 60% (not being used at all) |
| 21:18:41 | kugel | GodEater: frederik full is his realname? |
| 21:18:54 | kugel | I suspect he's kidding us since we asked for the full name |
| 21:19:09 | gevaerts | delt: I assume it stays that low? Some batteries need a bit of time to get to their proper voltage |
| 21:19:44 | delt | gevaerts: yeah i noticed when i turn it back on, after a few minutes it goes up about 4 or 5% |
| 21:20:00 | Dhraakellian | I've found that my Sansas don't seem to charge as quickly under Rockbox |
| 21:20:13 | delt | maybe the battery is just old.. but if i change it, i want to make sure the same thing won't happen to the new one |
| 21:20:58 | delt | currently the only way to do that is to boot the ipod with the stock firmware when charging |
| 21:21:27 | delt | (ie. lock switch when booting, or press i think select + play at the apple logo) |
| 21:21:48 | Dhraakellian | are the boot-into-OF keys different on each player? |
| 21:21:49 | gevaerts | I do know that ipods tend not to charge with a decent current currently, but I never heard of it not stopping properly |
| 21:21:53 | Dhraakellian | target, rather |
| 21:22:13 | gevaerts | Dhraakellian: well, *keys* are different on each target... |
| 21:22:31 | delt | if i connect it to a USB port there's no problem because it automatically goes into OF |
| 21:22:37 | delt | "disk mode" |
| 21:22:52 | Dhraakellian | I guess I had just assumed that |<< was fairly standard |
| 21:23:14 | Dhraakellian | then again, I only have experience with sansas |
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| 21:23:39 | delt | but it's kind of annoying when i have it on my alarm clock playing and have to remember to remove it after like 30 minutes |
| 21:24:06 | delt | (alarm clock/radio/ipod charger/dock) |
| 21:24:07 | Dhraakellian | delt: incentive to get up within the 30 minutes? |
| 21:24:47 | delt | well, if i listen to say 2 or 3 albums in a row from the charger i know i'm damaging the battery |
| 21:25:05 | gevaerts | anyway, if you suspect that something is wrong, please submit a bug report |
| 21:25:07 | delt | well, strongly suspect rather, as i said before |
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| 21:25:44 | delt | can't be sure because rockbox doesn't indicate if it's charging or not |
| 21:26:04 | gevaerts | you've said that a few times now... |
| 21:26:12 | delt | sry |
| 21:26:49 | delt | so how do i submit a bug report? |
| 21:27:14 | Mikachu | rockbox.org |
| 21:28:14 | delt | i guess it's "bugs" in the "tracker" section? |
| 21:28:36 | robin0800 | delt If you charge it in rockbox i'm sure with the cabbie v2 will show charging on its battery icon |
| 21:28:57 | Mikachu | it shows charging, but it continues showing that as long as the cable is in |
| 21:29:00 | Mikachu | regardless of battery level |
| 21:29:39 | delt | no, i use that theme (the default one i believe) and iirc it just shows the battery being more full, like it thinks the dock's power is the battery |
| 21:29:49 | delt | 2sec i'll check again |
| 21:30:00 | robin0800 | Mikachu: No it dosen't it has both charging and connecting icons they are different |
| 21:30:55 | gevaerts | you can see the battery state in the debug menu |
| 21:31:33 | Dhraakellian | gevaerts: ah, so you can see what the actual battery level is rather than the 100% that the statusbar shows whenever it's plugged in? |
| 21:31:49 | gevaerts | yes |
| 21:32:00 | Dhraakellian | nice. I shall have to remember that! |
| 21:32:35 | Dhraakellian | also for right after I unplug and the statusbar battery indicator is still slowly falling back to the correct value |
| 21:32:43 | delt | nope... there's no way to tell if it's connected and/or charging just by looking at the screen |
| 21:34:23 | delt | oh, was also wondering.. this alarm clock charger can auto-turn-on the ipod and start it playing at the alarm time.... does this work with current build? |
| 21:35:16 | Mikachu | delt: rockbox can start the ipod without any extra hardware on a set time (and optionally date) |
| 21:35:19 | robin0800 | delt: Thats with Cabbie corect if you look in the backgrounds folder for the theme you should see them they are on the battery strip |
| 21:36:43 | delt | battery-176x132x16.bmp |
| 21:36:56 | delt | correct? |
| 21:37:51 | delt | in the bmp file i see the battery sign with a zigzag and another one with an arrow. i've never seen those on the ipod screen. |
| 21:39:37 | robin0800 | delt: Well either the wps has an error or the rockbox code has an error it works ok on a sansa so perhaps its the wps |
| 21:41:04 | delt | the "wps" file is a kind of script that says what goes where on the screen, right? |
| 21:41:28 | Mikachu | delt, robin0800: most likely we don't know how to get info about how the charging is going on ipods, so it can't be displayed |
| 21:41:33 | Mikachu | but i don't know details of charging stuff |
| 21:42:28 | delt | ..... and we can't base it on current battery level, since when plugged in it thinks the battery is full |
| 21:43:05 | delt | or is there another value (haven't checked the debug info yet) |
| 21:43:26 | gevaerts | the debug info is the *only* place to get reliable information... |
| 21:43:27 | delt | anyway... thanks for your assistance, will be back later with (hopefully) more information |
| 21:43:32 | kkurbjun | is there a high quality reference for the images that the plugins use? I am trying to scale the graphics for the various plugins to look appropriate on a 640x480 screen size - at the moment I am just doing cubic interpolation, but if there's a better reference then the SVN graphics used that would be ideal |
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| 21:44:26 | kkurbjun | I was also looking at the scale2x algorithm but at least on the card decks I think that cubic looks better with some sharpening applied |
| 21:44:39 | robin0800 | Mikachu: Even if While charging the voltage is unknown when chargeing is complete it switches fom charging to connected |
| 21:44:52 | Mikachu | ... on the sansa |
| 21:45:43 | robin0800 | Mikachu: I think only the C200's |
| 21:48:20 | robin0800 | Mikachu: For unknown voltage only I think all portal players switch as described |
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| 22:00:09 | kugel | context menus should behave consistently with normal lists with regards to going to wps and stopping playback, correct? |
| 22:02:03 | kugel | you can't go to wps from a simplelist or context menu |
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| 22:06:22 | Llorean | Ideally, yes. |
| 22:07:05 | kugel | I've tackled that locally |
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| 23:03:23 | kugel | kkurbjun: "when in portrait mode"? |
| 23:03:47 | kugel | does it support 90° somehow? |
| 23:03:53 | kugel | 90° flipping |
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| 23:04:17 | kkurbjun | kugel: the lcd on the m:rboe is naturally 480x640 .. not through hardware, normally the screen is rotated to landscape mode in software |
| 23:04:56 | kkurbjun | I have been making sure both work since portrait mode is much faster, but it is a pain to use when it's on it's cradle |
| 23:05:10 | kugel | so portrait is default, but mpegplayer rotates (as usual on portrait mode targets)? |
| 23:05:40 | kugel | I'd love to see 90° flipping for other targets as well |
| 23:06:16 | kkurbjun | landscape is default right now in the builds, mpegplayer is always in landscape mode, the YUV blitting doesn't have any code for portrait mode |
| 23:06:34 | kkurbjun | it's not a setting that you can do in the menu, you have to change the config file and build your own |
| 23:06:54 | kugel | interesting |
| 23:07:09 | kkurbjun | it would be nice for it to be a setting, but that would take quite a bit more work with all the hard coded widths and heights |
| 23:07:27 | kugel | true |
| 23:07:47 | kkurbjun | and I'm not sure what the performance penalty would be if those were variables instead of hard coded |
| 23:07:54 | kugel | but the screen api has lcdwidth and lcdheight members, so it's just a matter of looking through all places and convert |
| 23:09:29 | kkurbjun | yeah, plugins would be really tough with all the bitmaps |
| 23:09:46 | kkurbjun | since they are built at compile time with the appropriate sized images |
| 23:10:19 | kugel | yea, not that easy then |
| 23:10:41 | gevaerts | You could build all plugins twice... |
| 23:11:27 | kkurbjun | I think it would be better to have one large image that is compiled in the plugins and then use the scaler to downsize for the screen |
| 23:11:35 | kkurbjun | but that's again, alot of work :-D |
| 23:11:56 | kugel | scaling isn't even necessary, rotating is |
| 23:12:13 | gevaerts | I don't think that will work well for some of these small pixel-painted bitmaps like e.g. the sokoban things |
| 23:12:39 | kkurbjun | yeah, true... |
| 23:12:55 | kkurbjun | rotating is done in the lcd blitting routines |
| 23:13:18 | kkurbjun | so you don't need to do rotation in the plugin |
| 23:16:04 | kugel | another question, why aren't we using __atribute__((unused)) instead of doing (void)param all over the place? |
| 23:16:22 | gevaerts | good point |
| 23:16:59 | kkurbjun | what's the difference? |
| 23:17:20 | kugel | I've looked for the impact. I was having a empty function which just does (void)param, it should be inlined but it wasn't inlined |
| 23:17:36 | kugel | the disassembly showed that gcc made a function call doing nothing but that read |
| 23:17:59 | gevaerts | (void) actually reads the variable? |
| 23:18:11 | kugel | kkurbjun: (void)param is actually an instruction, while __attribute__((unused)) just silences the warning |
| 23:18:22 | gevaerts | i.e. it loads a memory address somewhere? |
| 23:18:32 | kugel | yes |
| 23:18:35 | Bagder | (void)param isn't strictly an instruction |
| 23:18:54 | gevaerts | In that case I certainly vote for __attribute__((unused)) |
| 23:19:13 | Bagder | we should probably switch to UNUSED(var) or similar |
| 23:19:24 | Bagder | so that we can define it to use whatever we please |
| 23:19:33 | kugel | (I did it for the sim) it did push eax, mov eax, [var], pop eax (something like that) |
| 23:19:45 | gevaerts | Maybe that can be this year's huge-devcon-commit-that-touches-nearly-everything :) |
| 23:19:54 | Bagder | yes! |
| 23:20:33 | kugel | I've seen gtk programs which have lots of "int func(G_UNUSED void* param)"-like functions |
| 23:21:42 | gevaerts | 309 affected files |
| 23:22:26 | kugel | "int debug_menu(__attribute__((unused)) void* ignored)" doesn't give any warning |
| 23:23:55 | gevaerts | kugel: that's a bit hard to do everywhere though. You often don't know there that it will be unused, only in the function body |
| 23:24:16 | kugel | it doesn't matter |
| 23:24:24 | kugel | you can use it just fine, it just kills the warning |
| 23:24:43 | gevaerts | It also kills it in places where it should stay then |
| 23:25:25 | kugel | I don't think so |
| 23:25:40 | Bagder | ah, you need it in the prototype? |
| 23:25:45 | kugel | any function which has a (void)param wants to kill the warning |
| 23:25:53 | kugel | Bagder: yes |
| 23:26:03 | gevaerts | kugel: often there's an #ifdef around that |
| 23:26:06 | Bagder | kugel: but (void) is quite easily conditional |
| 23:26:24 | Bagder | you can do that in the proto as well, but it'll look a bit diifferent |
| 23:26:27 | kugel | yes, but where's the problem? |
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| 23:27:02 | gevaerts | suppose you have a function taking two parameters, one of which is only used on HWCODEC, so it's (void)param on #ifdef SWCODEC |
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| 23:27:32 | kugel | that's a usual case, I know |
| 23:27:43 | gevaerts | Now someone rewrites the HWCODEC bit to no longer need that parameter. In your proposal, nobody may notice that the parameter can now be dropped |
| 23:28:12 | kugel | except for the guy that rewrites it? |
| 23:28:16 | Bagder | with the __attribute__, you'd #ifdef the actual prototype |
| 23:28:25 | gevaerts | if the code is convoluted enough, nobody will notice |
| 23:28:35 | kugel | I don't think so |
| 23:28:46 | kugel | Bagder: you do that in the function definition |
| 23:28:55 | Bagder | yse, that's what I meant |
| 23:29:01 | kugel | like I showed above, not sure about the declaration |
| 23:29:04 | Bagder | but that's messy imho |
| 23:29:10 | gevaerts | indeed |
| 23:29:26 | Bagder | and thinking about it. Is there any cases where we do (void) like this unconditionally? |
| 23:29:50 | kugel | it's less messy than (void)param (which often alone requires an #ifdef), also we can make it shorter with #define UNUSED __attribute__((unused)) |
| 23:29:54 | gevaerts | probably, in some "generic" functions like the one implemented by various drivers for the same class of hardware |
| 23:29:58 | kkurbjun | the m66591 does a void unconditionally |
| 23:30:08 | kkurbjun | the driver that is |
| 23:30:13 | Bagder | gevaerts: ah yes, that's right. We probably have a few such |
| 23:30:15 | kugel | Bagder: there are many places. like many event callbacks |
| 23:30:34 | gevaerts | yes, those too |
| 23:30:57 | gevaerts | Anyway, those can be changed without problems I think |
| 23:31:09 | mt | I know a weekly status update of a gsoc project is required, but there hasn't been almost any news this week, so no updates from me. |
| 23:31:43 | kugel | a mail saying no progress would be fine too |
| 23:33:05 | kugel | gevaerts: re your example. if someone rewrites it without seeing SWCODEC doesn't need this either, he'll not remove the parameter no matter of __attribute__((unused)) |
| 23:33:10 | gevaerts | from what I can see, there seem to be 23 #ifdefed blocks of (void) things, and 605 unconditionals |
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| 23:35:11 | gevaerts | kugel: let's start by changing all easy cases, and think a bit more about the others. If there really are only about 20 or 30 left, it's not that big a deal |
| 23:35:30 | kugel | that's fine with me |
| 23:38:00 | kkurbjun | I have a question on licenses - I used the svg-cards-2.0 for the 640x480 screen size card deck and it is licensed under the LGPL-2.1 is there anything I need to do with respect to documenting those card's use in the source? |
| 23:38:44 | kkurbjun | since it's just a binary image I can't put the license in a header |
| 23:38:55 | kugel | Bagder: our AMSes rely on that (void)x is an instruction somewhere in the memory init |
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| 23:39:22 | Bagder | why? |
| 23:39:23 | kugel | kkurbjun: I think a README or LICENSE would do it |
| 23:39:54 | kugel | "(void)tmp; /* we just need to read from this location */" |
| 23:40:03 | kkurbjun | where do you think that would be appropriate to place, the files are in plugin/bitmaps/native |
| 23:40:13 | Bagder | kugel: UGLY |
| 23:40:32 | kugel | I have no idea why this is |
| 23:40:44 | Bagder | and how does 'tmp' read from "this location" ? |
| 23:40:59 | kugel | unsigned int tmp = *(volatile unsigned int*)(0x30000000+0x2300*MEM); |
| 23:41:51 | Bagder | right, then 'tmp' holds an integer. but what address does '(void)tmp' then read from? |
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| 23:42:22 | kugel | tmp holds that address, (void)tmp loads the data at that address into a register |
| 23:42:45 | gevaerts | I think that a bit of inline asm would be cleaner in this sort of case |
| 23:42:57 | Bagder | no, the line you showed read the data off that address into tmp |
| 23:43:06 | Bagder | but sure that itself can be an address |
| 23:43:14 | kugel | as I said, the x86 disassembly of such a thing looked like "push eax;mov eax, [tmp];pop eax" |
| 23:43:39 | Bagder | I find such code next to disgusting |
| 23:43:59 | srnt | Hi. How does rockbox choose which image display during a song playback? |
| 23:44:19 | kugel | sure, but the comment above says "/* this part is required, if you know why please explain */" so we probably have to live with it |
| 23:44:39 | kkurbjun | kugel: did you try that with different versions of GCC, is it guaranteed that (void) will do some type of read? |
| 23:44:48 | Bagder | this part being that particular (void) ? |
| 23:44:48 | kugel | no idea |
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| 23:44:56 | gevaerts | I wouldn't count too much on it... |
| 23:45:00 | Bagder | me neither |
| 23:45:14 | animatorgeek | Okay, I think I've found a bug in the configure/makefile |
| 23:45:19 | srnt | How is Sansa Fuzz supported? |
| 23:45:21 | kugel | it will probably break with -O too |
| 23:45:24 | gevaerts | Just do it in asm |
| 23:45:35 | animatorgeek | I just got this error when building: make: *** No rule to make target `/rockbox/build-sim/apps/bitmaps/native/rockbox /build-simlogo.160x53x2.o', needed by `/rockbox/build-sim/rockboxui.exe'. Stop. |
| 23:46:10 | kugel | kkurbjun: no I didn't. my gcc is 4.3.3 here |
| 23:46:17 | animatorgeek | Notice that the file it's trying to build is called build-simlogo.160x53x2.o |
| 23:46:45 | animatorgeek | As far as I know it should be building rockboxlogo.160x53x2.o |
| 23:47:15 | gevaerts | animatorgeek: I seem to remember that having your rockbox directory in the root broke things, but this may have been fixed... |
| 23:47:35 | animatorgeek | Looks like something is going wonky, substituting the build directory's name at the beginning of that file, rather than "rockbox" |
| 23:47:40 | krazykit | srnt, for your album art question, refer here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 23:47:50 | Bagder | animatorgeek: if it was that serious our build table would not be green, as it happens to be atm |
| 23:48:08 | Bagder | but sure, it might be that it's a root dir |
| 23:48:12 | animatorgeek | I don't have it in my root dir, |
| 23:48:27 | gevaerts | did you change the paths you reported here? |
| 23:48:27 | animatorgeek | I have it in c:\cygwin\rockbox\biuild-sim |
| 23:48:39 | gevaerts | that's the cygwin root |
| 23:49:06 | animatorgeek | Well, in cygwin I have it in rockbox/build-sim |
| 23:49:21 | * | bluebrother thinks when working on cygwin one should use the paths shown by cygwin, not explorer |
| 23:49:23 | animatorgeek | Is that what you mean? Having the Rockbox source dir as a subdir of the cygwin root? |
| 23:49:30 | gevaerts | yes |
| 23:50:04 | animatorgeek | So I should move it somewhere else? Like to my home dir perhaps? |
| 23:50:24 | gevaerts | that's one possible place, yes. |
| 23:50:45 | animatorgeek | Is there a recommended place, or just somewhere not-on-root? |
| 23:50:48 | gevaerts | I'm not entirely sure that this is the problem, but I'm pretty sure that it was a problem at some point |
| 23:50:55 | gevaerts | that's up to you |
| 23:51:32 | animatorgeek | I'm compiling from 3.2, not the current codebase, but I had a similar problem when I tried compiling the current code a few days ago. |
| 23:52:06 | animatorgeek | The weird thing is that when I switched to 3.2 the problem fixed itself. Now it's back again when I try to build the sim |
| 23:52:34 | rodan | Does rockbox run on sansa vuze? |
| 23:52:35 | srnt | krazykit, thank you |
| 23:52:52 | krazykit | rodan, do you see it on the front page? |
| 23:52:53 | bluebrother | there is no sansa vuze. |
| 23:52:55 | srnt | rodan, sansa is the best, I just bough fuzz |
| 23:53:04 | srnt | maybe fuzz? |
| 23:53:11 | srnt | Fuze |
| 23:53:11 | gevaerts | rockbox runs on neither the sansa vuze nor on the sansa fuzz. There is work in progress on the sansa fuze however |
| 23:53:12 | srnt | that is |
| 23:53:16 | bluebrother | what's this fuzz about the sansa? |
| 23:53:24 | bluebrother | h100 rulez! |
| 23:53:27 | srnt | ;p |
| 23:53:39 | animatorgeek | I'm with you, Bluebrother :) |
| 23:53:50 | animatorgeek | (well, h120, that is) |
| 23:53:57 | rodan | on the mainpage it mentions nothing about the Clip, but i heard rockbox runs on the sansa clip |
| 23:54:05 | bluebrother | h100 = h100 series :) |
| 23:54:15 | bluebrother | Rockbox does not run on the clip. |
| 23:54:34 | bluebrother | it's being worked on, but until it's in a state it can get called supported it does not run. |
| 23:54:50 | srnt | rodan, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaAMS |
| 23:54:51 | animatorgeek | Well, thanks for the help re directories. |
| 23:55:02 | srnt | rodan, this page says it runs on Fuze and Clip |
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| 23:56:45 | krazykit | srnt, it's not in a state where it should be run by non-developers |
| 23:57:49 | * | bluebrother points out that there is a difference between running and running. And between running and supported. |
| 23:57:52 | rodan | thank you guys |
| 23:58:04 | rodan | just curious. |
| 23:58:49 | saratogahome | if you're curious you could read the wiki |
| 23:58:58 | saratogahome | theres even a status link with everything you asked on the front page |
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