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#rockbox log for 2009-06-18

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00:17:31bertrikfunman, still no mp3 playback stops on my clip after moving the stacks to IRAM ...
00:18:57funmanbertrik the playback stop dosen't happen reliabily, but when it happens on a track it will always happen at the same position
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00:19:52notlisteningFast sapi voicing is now working in Linux and windows :D
00:20:04notlisteningbuggy but working
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00:37:52funmannotlistening: nice !
00:38:02notlisteninghehe love it when you find a bug in someone else's software that you thought was your own :D
00:38:41notlisteningfunman, thanks
00:38:52funmanbertrik: using a lcd_write_data with single pixel transfers is slower on the fuze
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00:40:46funmannotlistening: what is buggy : the interface to microsoft SAPI ?
00:41:51notlisteningyou'd expect that but the rbutil is causing me a headache or two
00:42:31notlisteningand my code as i just tested :D
00:43:00notlisteningbeing my interface yes
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00:43:16notlisteningback to the drawing board
00:44:21*Torne starts pondering trying to implement ncurses on rockbox.
00:44:57gevaertsthat would be *great*!
00:45:06Torneseriously? :)
00:45:17Tornei've thought a lot more about what the frotz port needs to really be usable screen-output-wise
00:45:35Torneand a lot of what i need to give it to make it work is strikingly similar to what curses does ;)
00:46:48FrankTM_ncurses seem interesting :)
00:47:34Tornei was trying to avoid having to buffer the text on screen by implementing clever framebuffer scrolling stuff
00:47:49Tornebut i've just realised that to put up the keyboard or any kind of menu i'll need a buffer of what was on screen before anyway
00:48:03Torneand a text buffer with formatting attributes is a lot cheaper than double buffering the framebuffer
00:48:57FrankTM_i hope that was not a reply to what i said
00:49:26FrankTM_as i didnt quite understand all of that :p
00:49:46Torneah. no, not really. i'm trying to port frotz, the z-machine interpreter
00:50:05Torneit wants reasonably sophisticated text output capabilites that rockbox doesn't have.
00:51:27FrankTM_it would be nice to worry less about how text's gonna come out
00:51:31FrankTM_if that's what it does :p
00:51:48Tornewell, ncurses wouldn't be much for pretty output
00:51:59Torneits api is pretty much limited to monospace
00:52:11FrankTM_prettyness is overrated :P
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00:56:33evilnick_7Torne: As in the text adventures?
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00:56:59Torneevilnick_7: yes
00:57:11Torneit runs very basic z-machine programs at the moment
00:57:16Tornebut i'v enot got any text input or scrolling
00:57:22Torneso it can't run actual games ;)
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00:59:00evilnick_7Games would be a bit of a stretch in terms of inputting text (except on touchscreen targets) though :p
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00:59:41Torneyah. there are various hacks that can be used to make it more practical, like on gbafrotz
00:59:53Torneways to pick words from printed text, and pull commands from menus
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01:00:11Tornebut the main intention is for me to then write an Inform library replacement for menu driven games
01:00:24Tornethe z-machine is just a convenient portable target format to compile to
01:00:29Tornesaves me inventing a game development system :)
01:02:32Tornealso it's just fun to do. i like the z-machine. and having a z-machine interpreter is what qualifies a platform as a real computer ;)
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01:03:41evilnick_7Hehehe, nice. Best of luck with that :)
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01:31:20funmansomeone has a c200v1 and want to run test_fps with a patch ?
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02:29:17pixelmaerrr... someone with a Recorder around who could test for the existence of a bug in a recent build?
02:29:54JdGordon|whats the bug? i can check when i get home
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02:32:35pixelma(note: have to test this on an even more recent build still, r21175 here) - it's about the "keys locked/unlocked" splash in the WPS. Pressing the combo to lock will show the splash which won't go away though, pressing the combo again to unlock I get the apropriate splash which won't go away either and buttons still seem to be locked
02:32:57pixelmaI can only get out with a hard power off
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02:38:15pixelmaor maybe at the end of playlist
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02:52:48pixelmastill happens on the Ondio with r21322 and I think that's quite a serious bug, thinking about the release...
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02:53:57JdGordon|is this a new bug? or something thats always been there?
02:54:45pixelmait's new to me (and my guess it has something to do with the viewportification of splashes)
02:56:50pixelmabut I don't have time to investigate further now... at almost 3 AM
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04:59:04webguest57hello i need some help
04:59:29webguest57i don't know how to add songs on my ipod
04:59:44cool_walking_...your iPod running Rockbox?
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05:01:08webguest57i don't know how to add songs to my ipod
05:01:50webguest57anybody help?
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05:56:10saratogacould the problem with trying to run the Fuze with 2MB of RAM be that the IRAM isn't mapped into the same place on the 8MB targets?
05:56:33saratogai wonder if the MMU doesn't change where the IRAM ends up on the Fuze if theres less memory enabled
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08:50:17lee321987I'm trying to install LaTeX on Ubuntu. Can I use any of the .deb packages from the RB VMware image, or maybe the .tar.bz2 files that Cygwin used to install it?
08:51:53scorche|shwhy dont you install the ubuntu packages?
08:52:04lee321987Dial-up connection
08:52:48scorche|shso it takes a little bit longer...
08:53:26lee321987Yep. Looks like that's how I have to do it.
08:53:42LloreanIf you've got the VMWare image for some reason, why not just do any manual creation within it, so you can be sure everything's already set up right?
08:57:06lee321987I didn't see any "tetex-*" .deb packages in var/apt/archives. Maybe Debian comes with Latex built-in? I'll see if it builds.
08:57:19scorche|shno it doesnt...
08:58:24LloreanAren't the archives cleared in the image to decrease size?
08:58:51lee321987I saw 20 or so .deb packs
08:59:13scorche|shat least the older ("current") one...i still need to whittle down the "new" one down to size..
08:59:33Lloreanlee321987: So some are still there, but that doesn't mean they all are.
09:00:44pixelmaso - is now someone with a Recorder (fairly recent build) around to test for a bug?
09:03:21*Llorean can't find his recorder USB cable. =/
09:08:50pixelmaLlorean: what's the build rev currently on your Recorder?
09:09:46LloreanPre 3.0 I think
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09:14:26*pixelma wishes there was a "Commits since 3.2"
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09:22:06pixelmadoes someone have the revision number the 3.2 release is based off at hand?
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09:24:59lee321987Does RB VMware have something similar to Ubuntus' "Synaptic Package Manager"?
09:25:43perrikwpuse apt-get
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09:28:06Zagorpixelma: tag v3_2 or revision 20506
09:28:22Zagorwe'll do a since32.html tomorrow
09:28:45Zagortags are listed here:
09:29:44pixelmaah, thanks. It helps me searching for a bug... :)
09:32:35perrikwplee321987: shows how to download everything you need to build a manual
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09:33:12lee321987Thanks. I'm trying to find a file manager.
09:34:07lee321987Can anyone suggest a file manager for the RB VM that won't need to download a lot of dependencies?
09:34:34scorche|shwhy do you need a file manager?....and this isnt really on topic here...
09:34:54lee321987less typing
09:35:03lee321987drag and drop
09:36:38scorche|shthe rockbox VM is intended to be used with samba for communication between your host and the can use your host's OS as the file manager if you *really* wanted to
09:37:41lee321987ok. Thanks
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09:52:58CIA-70New commit by dave (r21323): Revert r21307 - it was not an agreed change and should never have been committed. See discussion at ...
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10:05:01linuxstbGood morning.
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10:06:02BlindWandererAhh good, a lurker. I'm looking for someone who can put me in the user group who can edit the TWiki
10:06:38linuxstbWhat is your name?
10:07:02BlindWandererBlindWanderer, I like to be consistant
10:07:14linuxstbYou didn't read the rules for the wiki when registering?
10:07:47linuxstb"Your WikiName must be your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JohnS, SteveA or NinjaBoy. We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule."
10:08:13BlindWandererAhh, well then please delete it.
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10:09:30pixelmaspeaking of which, someone just appended a new name again and not put it in alphabetical order... looks like it was saratoga
10:10:37*scorche|sh gets out the pitchforks
10:11:35BlindWandererIs the issue with UserListByDateJoined, known?
10:11:41pixelmawell, it's for malking things easier later on (and it's easier to avoid duplicates)
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10:13:36*gevaerts still wants to know if you're allowed to split lines in that list
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10:14:12linuxstbgevaerts: I think I asked Zagor that, and the answer was no. But feel free to investigate...
10:14:30scorche|shuntil he changes it and can no longer edit anything...
10:14:36gevaertsexactly :)
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10:14:57*gevaerts tends to have chicken-like features every now and then
10:15:10Zagorno we can't. it's a twiki limitation. foswiki has a better solution in the pipe.
10:15:35notlisteningwhat architectures does rockbox support now? Is it just arm coldfire and MIPS
10:15:35scorche|share we planning to go to foswiki at some point?
10:15:52scorche|shnotlistening: sh
10:16:06notlisteningwhats sh?
10:17:07notlisteningThanks ;)
10:17:22linuxstbAs used in all our Archos targets.
10:20:11notlisteningis it still being used?
10:20:32Zagorarchos or sh1?
10:22:06linuxstbThat wikipedia page seems to imply that the SH-1 is discontinued. I don't know if that's true though...
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10:23:00Zagorit's very old. I don't see why anyone would use it for new designs.
10:24:10pixelmaok, r20661 breaks the software lock splash - (there's one related change, line 326) and it's IMO important to fix before the release because it can lead to being trapped into the software lock (at least I can't find out how to get out of it unless hard powering off)
10:24:52BlindWandererI'm curious, how was the current wiki engine chosen?
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10:25:38ZagorBlindWanderer: I was simply familiar with it before starting Rockbox
10:25:54gevaertspixelma: I think that's a real blocker. I don't really see a realistic "leave out" or "disable" solution for this one
10:26:52lee321987RB VM - trying to install new version of "VMware Tools". VMware says to "delete the previous vmware-tools-distrib directory before installing". Where is this directory?
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10:28:45BlindWanderer(thats a good reason; wiki engines can be a pain to setup and the syntax can be weird)
10:30:57notlisteningA unit that is running android will that potentially run rockbox
10:31:20scorche|shwell, anything can *potentially* run rockbox, but that doesnt mean it will be easy..
10:32:00Zagorthe good thing about it running android is that it's probably easier to find information about the hardware
10:32:02scorche|shthe biggest issue with android is that it accepts java apps...rockbox is in C
10:32:21scorche|sh(assuming you are referring to rockbox as an app)
10:32:41notlisteningno i am talking pure hardware
10:33:09*scorche|sh wonders why someone would want to replace a phone OS with a music player OS
10:34:35notlisteningIMHO there is no need to run a full OS when you can dual boot and use to unit as a dedicated MP3/4 player right ? * when you have a device not being used as a phone
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10:35:34notlisteningscorche, humm yeah i am not sure there is any point in running it fi there is no phone involved
10:35:40Zagornotlistening: sure. it's just that I would guess most people who buy an android phone will want to use it as a phone _with_ media player. not purely a media player
10:35:49notlisteningandroid i mean
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10:38:54BlindWandererI don't see why it couldn't be done, I just can't imagine a developer wanting to take on the project. The advantage of already having a functional OS is you don't have to develop and debug a new one
10:39:35BlindWandererwould be easier to just build ontop of Android then to usurp it's position
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10:55:09pixelmauh, made it work - completely trial and error puttong stuff back from the previous revision (and I don't know what r 20661 was supposed to solve there)
10:55:16pixelmaputting too
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11:06:45pixelma if someone would be so kind to have a look
11:07:06pixelma(small typo fix included too)
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11:09:46Mikachuunrelated, /* fix the bug */ is not a very helpful comment :)
11:10:38wrenhi, my name is wren murasaki, i just joined the wiki. i'd like to document the lua plugin api; i'm really excited about it
11:12:02FrankTM_hi wren
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11:12:22FrankTM_hmm.. this starts to look like some AA-meeting :P
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11:13:46*wren stands up, "hi, it's been 30 minutes since I last read some code and I have the shakes"
11:14:23FrankTM_but i guess you're more than welcome to contribute to the wiki
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11:15:49pixelmawren: you should be good to go now... promise not to spam ;)
11:16:59wrenspamming's dull, figuring out how to best format it will be a challenge; not to mention spotting all the functions in the source.
11:17:10wrenand i promise not to spam
11:17:50pixelmanice, have fun :)
11:20:07linuxstbwren: Isn't the "lua plugin api" just the same as the Rockbox plugin API? i.e. the documentation should be the same?
11:22:02wrenright now the page just say "This is a placeholder. " under API
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11:35:20safetydanlinuxstb: it doesn't have to be if there's a more luaish way of doing it
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11:38:49Matt-WIf a 5.5G iPod is running 3.2 and plugged into a PC via USB while holding down menu to suppress disk mode, would it be expected to charge the battery? From what I can gather, Rockbox's USB mode should be disabled in that build, so it should do so.
11:39:28gevaertsthere are issues with charging from USB on ipods
11:40:09Mikachujust look if the battery charge is going up or down :)
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11:40:56Matt-WIt seems to be going down :(
11:41:55Matt-WIt says it's charging, but the battery level doesn't agree
11:42:34Matt-WThink I'll have to revert to the old build I was using where it worked if there are known issues in 3.2
11:48:02LloreanMatt-W: 3.2 has been out for three months now.
11:48:22Llorean3.2 should have the same charging behaviour as any build from about the past year or so.
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11:51:45mcuelenaererasher: do you mind if I commit some of the changes currently on the theme server to SVN?
11:54:13rashermcuelenaere: absolutely not
11:54:47gevaertsrasher: are there still language updates in trunk that are not in 3.3?
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11:56:16rasherI don't think so, except for the pitchscreen stuff, which unfortunately went in before the release, complicating the language situation somewhat
11:56:35rasherThere's a french translation in the tracker. I was hoping moos would look at it
11:56:45pixelmaI have one pending... wanted to give the patch author time to tell us his full name (although I redid almost entirely anyways). It's not in trunk yet either though
11:57:13rasherDon't think I'll have the time to commit that, so if someone else would, please do so
12:03:33*mcuelenaere wonders whether we should pre-load the rollover images
12:08:39pixelmaisn't that a bit unfriendly for people on slow connections (and who won't hover over every available theme)?
12:11:37mcuelenaereyes, that's the disadvantage
12:12:01mcuelenaerebut there's no visual interaction currently when you mouse over an image that it's loading another image
12:13:29safetydancould you have a "loading..." image preloaded that shows up on mouse over and then is replaced with the actual image?
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12:21:31CIA-70New commit by mcuelenaere (r21324): Commit some changes that were already in the actual theme site server.
12:23:11mcuelenaeresafetydan: that should be doable
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12:23:40linuxstbmcuelenaere: Shouldn't commit messages actually say _what_ the changes were? ;)
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12:24:10*gevaerts agrees with linuxstb
12:30:05funman"left as an exercise to the reader"
12:31:16funmancould someone with a c200v1 run test_fps with ?
12:32:07pixelmaLlorean: still around?
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12:38:33Lloreanpixelma: Yes
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12:39:29lee321987RB VM - How to run "xedit" text editor from command line? I'm guessing there is a second program installed called "xedit", because when I try type "xedit" I get 'Xlib: connection to ":0.0" fefused by server'
12:39:58tmztwhat instructions are these?
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12:41:03pixelmaLlorean: just noticed that dreamlayers reverted the hack fix by JdGordon I had committed for the insert shuffled problem in r 20641 as it seems to cause other problems (I meantioned the hack last week but hadn't realised it was already reverted)
12:42:05pixelmathe revert was r20641... somehow that sentence became quite twisted...
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12:43:34LloreanAh, was that the insert shuffled problem I was experiencing?
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12:45:47pixelmaI thought you were experiencing the same as I did before r19723
12:46:22pixelmabut I am not sure now
12:46:55LloreanIf I stop and resume, the songs are in the same order and I'm playing the same song, but it has an entirely different position in the playlist.
12:47:08LloreanSong 1 might be song 800, song 2 will be 801, song three 3 will be 802, etc.
12:47:20LloreanWhat was previously song 1, I mean
12:48:17pixelmaI guess this is with a revision after 20641 though... there seems to be something fishy :\
12:48:57LloreanLast time I verified that was with a build a couple weeks ago
12:49:07LloreanMuch newer than 20641. I haven't tested recently but I don't remember a fix going in.
12:49:54LloreanHappens with a the 4 day old build on my Nano, still
12:50:15LloreanVery easy to duplicate. Stop playback, pick a folder, "Insert Shuffled", stop, resume, see where you are in the playlist.
12:50:50pixelmaif you want to you could try something between 19732 and 20641 that would be with the hack fix...
12:51:30pixelmabut it didn't fix all problems as it seems :\
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12:52:04LloreanFrom the commit note, it sounds like the fix caused other problems?
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12:52:14LloreanIt almost sounds like it caused a problem like the one I'm describing
12:53:30mcuelenaerelinuxstb: hmm yes, probably.. :)
12:54:28pixelmaLlorean: yes, very weird
12:55:23pixelmanothing happened since then though, so...
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13:01:58simjokoanyone with experience on sansa e2x0?
13:03:03scorchesimjoko: if you have an actual question, it is typically better to just ask that question right out
13:03:16simjokoI'll go that then :)
13:04:55simjokodo* // ok, I've got a new sansa e260(v1), rockbox is up and running. I want to use this new bought 8g microSDHC card. windows and linux both report the slot, but don't recognize the media. do I need to format the card with a card reader before I can use it?
13:06:17LloreanWhich build of Rockbox are you using?
13:07:42simjokohad the problem with 3.2 and svn r21323
13:08:48LloreanWhat filesystem is the card formatted with? Can you browse it and move files to it in Rockbox?
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13:09:15simjokono, that's exactly the problem I have.
13:09:36simjokoIf I had a card reader, I could check if the card is formatted out of the box
13:09:36LloreanNot from your computer. From within Rockbox.
13:10:11simjokono, if I go to system information and hot-plug the card, Rockbox tells me it checks the disks and then tells there's none present
13:10:57LloreanPlease use the exact names of the things in Rockbox you're looking at.
13:11:23LloreanI can't tell if you mean a specific menu in Rockbox, and are just calling it something slightly wrong, or if you and I are still talking about different things
13:12:05simjokothe thing is, rockbox does not recognize the card when plugged in
13:12:21simjokoinside the player and also in usb mode
13:12:37simjokoand there is no way to check if the card is already formatted
13:12:57LloreanWell then there's really nothing we can tell you, since you apparently can't find out any information about the card to use to figure out what's wrong.
13:13:49simjokoI guess I'll head for the shop then and buy a card reader. shouldn't be that expensive.
13:13:55LloreanMost cards should come formatted and ready to use.
13:14:03LloreanIt may be that there's simply something wrong with your card or your player.
13:15:51LloreanAs well, formatted or not, with a current build of Rockbox your PC should see the card (and you should be able to format it from your PC)
13:16:08notlisteningsimjoko, where you from?
13:16:40simjokodarn, I want it to work :P
13:16:56notlisteningdoes the V1 support 8GB cards?
13:17:12Lloreannotlistening: In Rockbox, yes.
13:17:19simjokov1 does not support sdhc at all, but rb does
13:17:23simjokowhat he said
13:18:23notlisteningyou can pick up a card reader on mazon for about 8 euros
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13:18:47notlisteningbut i an not sure thats your problem
13:18:50simjokoamazon also tells the card should have been preformatted with fat32
13:19:04notlisteningI use sandisk media and that works straight away
13:21:05simjokolet's see what the card reader will tell. bbl
13:22:01linuxstbsimjoko: When you connect to your PC, are you using Rockbox's USB mode, or Sandisk's?
13:22:28simjokorockbox's, as sandisk's wouldn't make much sense without support for microSDHC
13:22:58linuxstbOK, just making sure...
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13:36:31simjokoworks now, guess what, I failed to put the card properly into the player -.- emberassing, for my excuse, it's the first time I've got anything to do with such cards
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13:53:10Casainhohello Rockbox hakers ;-)
13:53:41Casainhocan anyone tell me if an ARM7 at 70MHz would run Rockbox and decode all the codecs?
13:55:29LloreanThat's slower than the iPods, and those struggle under some conditions.
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13:55:54LloreanAs well, it will be poor for video, and have no significant future since DSP and such will require even more CPU
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13:59:05kugelpixelma: what did I break?
13:59:48kugel"software lock splash"?
14:04:45CasainhoLlorean: ok, thanks. Then I think I will try an ARM9 on LPQF (0,5mm pitch)
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14:16:45linuxstbCasainho: I thought you had chosen a CPU a long time ago? Why the change?
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14:21:00Casainholinuxstb: I made a prototype with ARM9 with pins pitch 0,5mm. Now I was thinking in the possibility of making and selling the hardware and for that I need larger pitch as possible on ICs. That's why I was lokking for ARM7, because some of them have larger than 0,5mm pitch.
14:21:04pixelmakugel: the splash that is shown on the targets with software hold. The splash appears for a short time if you enable or disable hold or press a button while hold is enabled. Currently the splash won't go away after enabling and even disabling - although it changes to the "unlocked" string when disabling
14:21:35pixelmawhat's worse though is that the keys stay locked and I can't fet out of the WPS
14:22:10Casainholinuxstb: do you see this board ? it's Open Hardware but on BGA and the guy is having some problems put it working, and the PCB is expensive of 4 layers.
14:22:11pixelmathe partial revert of r20661 as shown in the paste works, I just want to know if it has negative side effects
14:23:23kugelyou mean if you change the restore ? HZ/100:HZ/5 back?
14:24:22pixelmathat doesn't work alone, I need the ACTION_REDRAW too
14:24:53kugelaction redraw alone doesn't work?
14:25:03kugelI'm not sure why the bug happens
14:25:33linuxstbCasainho: OK, I was just wondering what was wrong with the prototype...
14:25:55kugelhow does software lock work?
14:25:56pixelmamaybe it would, haven't tried (just reverted bits that looked related one after the other)
14:26:12Casainholinuxstb: the wrong is that I can't find no one that wants to produce and sell it, so, I must do that by myself.
14:27:24Casainholinuxstb: and then I must do it at my home, a bit of DIY, using the technology that I can use, like larger pitch pins to solder, etc.
14:27:26pixelmakugel: you enable it with a certain key combo from the WPS and use the same combo to disable it. That also works in the sim btw.
14:30:01pixelmaand this bug needs a quick fix for the release
14:30:25*gevaerts wonders if kugel saw his mail to the ML
14:30:40kugelgevaerts: yes
14:30:49kugelchanging the default value is a trivial thing though
14:31:48kugelanyway, I can't code right now. pixelma, can you try if ACTION_REDRAW alone works (and if not, replacing the HZ/100 with HZ/50 or 25)?
14:32:06gevaertskugel: if nobody has done it by tonight, I guess I'll have a go
14:33:00pixelmakugel: yes, I'm on it
14:34:13CasainhoI wish I could go to DevConEuro 2009 :-)
14:36:37gevaertsCasainho: there's a guaranteed way to make sure DevCon is close to you : organise it!
14:37:18Casainhogevaerts: oh, no, I am not yet involved on Rockbox for making it.
14:38:00CasainhoIf I had a working hardware and could sell to others, I am sure I would go, to give others the hardware and take some hours toghterer
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14:38:21Casainhowho knows if next year? :-)
14:39:22pixelmakugel: just reverting the ACTION_REDRAW part seems to do
14:40:36kugelI guessed that (at least for the not-disappearing-splash)
14:42:40kugelit seems "ffwd_rew(button); /* hopefully fix the ffw/rwd bug */" line doesn't work too well with softlock
14:43:03kugelpixelma: reverting the ACTION_REDRAW case should be fine without side-effects
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14:46:12pixelmaI'll commit that then to both branches. And will also commit the German language update I did myself, since it doesn't look like the patch author will give his full name in the last few hours (he already had a few days)
14:46:19kugelyou could try to do "wps_state.do_full_update = true;" instead of "restore = true;" though
14:47:21pixelmaI also like mine better in most parts, but well could be biased ;)
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14:59:06pixelmathat works too... but the "stay in software lock mode after playlist has finished but let the user chose a new song and reenable lock upon entering the WPS again" trick doesn't work anymore. But I don't think that has anything to do with this fix and is not critical
14:59:17pixelma^ kugel
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15:02:15pixelmato be precise, it still works for the first part, so lock is disabled when dropping back to the file browser/menu from the WPS at playlist end. It's only that it stays disabled, so doesn't bother me much
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15:12:51kugelwas this trick intentional?
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15:13:34pixelmayes, and very convenient
15:14:08kugelI'm not sure if that's related though
15:15:09kugelor does that trick work with restore = true?
15:15:51pixelmaah, it still works, just the WPS doesn't show the locked status correctly when reentering... but after you press a button and the "keys locked" splash appears it's there again
15:15:59pixelmaneed to try
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15:16:55kugel" just the WPS doesn't show the locked status correctly when reentering" that worked before? I didn't remove a splash
15:17:43pixelmano, not the splash, but the status you can show with %mh or in the statusbar
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15:19:00pixelmaand I can't tell when exactly it broke, but it worked once
15:21:16kugelok, so the "wps_state.do_full_update = true;" version should go in, the resulting code path is *slightly* less complex
15:22:26kugelnow I understand that "yes are locked just redraw" comment there :)
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15:31:46pixelmathe "restore" version is not any better about the hold status when entering the WPS again (and also the statusbar is wrong there too)... so I take the last version
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15:37:28pixelmasomething else to check my translation: do I understand correctly that the "Absolute Point" option in the touchscreen mode setting is for enabling the mode where you directly "touch" the menu item etc.?
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15:48:13funmanI can't find any reference to GPIOC in the c200v2 OF, except in lcd code when setting GPIOC_AFSEL, and one simple read of pin C1 in init code
15:48:33funmani grepped the firmware and the library blocks
15:50:15CIA-70New commit by pixelma (r21325): Restore the ACTION_REDRAW case as it was before r20661 (with a slight change as suggested by Thomas Martitz). Without it you could get trapped in the ...
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15:56:50CIA-70New commit by pixelma (r21327): Update German translation.
15:57:10CIA-70New commit by pixelma (r21328): Update German translation.
15:58:50pixelmaif I didn't use the patch in the tracker, should I close the task as "rejected"? (no full real name given)
15:59:50gevaertsI'd say out of date or something like that
16:00:35gevaertsDoes look correct for the natsort default update?
16:02:44CIA-70New commit by gevaerts (r21329): Make ASCII sort the default for the release
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16:10:18HillshumLambdaCalculus37: I'll send the money your way when I get home
16:10:30HillshumSorry, wrong channel
16:12:20FrankTM_money? :P
16:13:09LambdaCalculus37FrankTM_: For a DAP purchase. But it's for the other channel.
16:15:53funmanoh rockbox react to buttons on c200v2 !
16:16:13funmanproblem was button_read_device() always returned a button press, so perhaps rockbox was stuck in a very long press
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16:23:29gevaertsRC builds at updated
16:24:20funmanrockbox says a SI4700 tuner is detected on the c200v2 but i'm not sure if I can trust it
16:25:51funman56kb of audiobuffer :/
16:26:25funmanpcm buffer stays at 0
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16:28:58funmanhum buffering thread debug says alloc : 0/56448 but says 664440 bytes
16:29:11Zagorfunman: heh, that sounds a bit low
16:29:25funmanthere is some problem in linking
16:31:17kugel56k should be enough for everyone
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16:34:58notlisteningdoes rockbox now come under the MP5 player category?
16:37:07funmanok the tuner is a si4700 - but it doesn't work just like the e200v2
16:37:31Zagorsurely with doom it's at least mp8?
16:38:10funmansound works
16:38:29funmannot the volume keys though :P
16:39:31funmanand not the microsd
16:40:18notlisteningZagor, i agree with that but the lack of bluetooth support etc might make it a 4.5
16:40:45gevaertsnotlistening: point me to a player that plays mp5 files
16:40:59HillshumDon't forget rockboy! That bumps it to at least 5
16:41:26notlisteninglol it is marketing hype sorry gevaerts
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16:41:53kugelfunman: one debug page shows gpio pins, that should show the msd pin
16:42:08notlisteningbasucally mobile phones with out the phone being marketed as mp5 players
16:42:18funmankugel: thanks
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16:43:11funmanA2 is unset when there is a microsd
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16:43:41funmanlooks like the same than e200v2 and fuze
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16:45:23Zagorfunman: isn't audiobuffer both the pcm and compressed buffers?
16:45:48ZagorI've forgotten...
16:47:26funmanZagor: i think you are right, but the pcm buffer is 176k (1s) so the addition still doesn't match
16:47:27LambdaCalculus37notlistening: Tell us more in the other channel.
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17:07:21funmanvery intersting .. the c200v2 seems to show the same problem than the clip
17:10:37funman(.audiobufend - .audiobuf) = 660748 bytes, pcmbuf is 1second = 176400 bytes, 660748 - 176400 = 484348 bytes, and buffering thread shows alloc: */52572
17:11:16funman52572 being 'filebuflen'
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17:12:29funmanwhich is audiobufend - filebuf, filebuf being malloc_buf being audiobuf + talk_get_bufsize(), so perhaps talk_get_bufsize() is quite big
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17:12:57funmanshould be 0 if i don't use voices :o
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17:17:45notlisteningdomonoky, are you on windows or linuc or both can you look at some strange bahaviour in the rubutil when it is talking with my SAPI interface?
17:18:58domonokynotlistening: normally i am on windows. but i can use Linux on my Laptop. But now i am preparing my journey to Devcon tomorrow, so maybe later ?
17:19:24notlisteningyeah anytime
17:20:06notlisteningi will post the relevant instructions and stuff on the task in flyspray
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17:30:02notlisteningdomonoky, have fun at devcon
17:31:56Genesisld failed on bootloader.elf due to fpa instruction
17:32:20Genesisi read on mailing list we didn't need cross compiler with mfpu set to fpa
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17:36:09LloreanGenesis: What are you trying to compile for?
17:36:28Genesiscowon D2 ( arm926e-js )
17:37:15LloreanDid you use our script to set up the cross-compilers?
17:37:39Genesisno i was trying with crossdev , i try with the script oki
17:37:52Genesisi should find the right option with it
17:39:33Genesis"ERROR: This script is set to install in /usr/local but has no write permissions for it'"
17:39:46Genesisthis have chocked me earlier :}
17:40:09saratogahomeyou probbaly needed to run as root
17:40:27HillshumI've always needed root
17:40:40saratogahomeeither way you haven't setup your cross compiler correctly and its not generating the right arm code
17:41:50Genesisi atempt to make a rockbox target in openembedded
17:50:40saratogahomehave you tried rerunning our script as root? it should give you the right compiler
17:51:55Genesisi first try setting variable directory
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18:04:26Genesis$ ranlib rockbox/build/firmware/libfirmware.a
18:04:30Genesis$ make
18:04:51Genesisarm-elf-objcopy: /home/genesis/hwsupport/cowon_D2/rockbox/build/bootloader.elf: File format not recognized
18:05:00Genesisanybody cross this ?
18:05:07gevaertswhich toolchain is this?
18:05:31Genesisfrom rockbox script
18:05:38domonokyif you still use the wrong toolchain (ie not build with this is to be expected :-)
18:05:57Genesisthis is with the this time
18:06:06gevaertshave you re-run configure?
18:06:29domonokyand make sure the new gcc/binutils are first (or alone) in the path
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18:07:41Genesisoh binutils perharps oki
18:07:58Genesisthat's right
18:08:40Genesisany other idea ?
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18:12:01GodEateruninstall crossdev
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18:22:33Genesisho it's differente if i uninstall crossdev
18:22:46GenesisLD bootloader.elf
18:22:46Genesis/home/genesis/hwsupport/cowon_D2/rockbox/build/bootloader/common.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized
18:22:53Genesisi searsh :)
18:24:49GodEatermy advice now is, having uninstalled crossdev, to re-run
18:24:59LloreanAnd create a new build folder.
18:25:15Genesisi make clean and configure each time
18:25:25Genesisyou mean redo the cross tool chain oki
18:25:31Genesislet's try
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18:33:44notlisteningdomonoky, what linux are you using just thinking of instructions
18:34:28notlisteningmakes my life easier what version?
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18:37:17funmansaratogahome: could you build & run a fuze with 2MB of memory
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18:39:32saratogahome2funman: no i could not
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18:42:40saratogahome2i was fairly sick last night so i didn't look into it very closely
18:43:01saratogahome2but fixing the codec size define moved the codecs around in memory but didn't fix the problem
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18:43:45saratogahome2i think i was wondering if the MMU didn't remap the IRAM correctly with the define changed
18:45:17r0b-my e250 says v2 on the back but its running v1 firmware :|
18:47:08LambdaCalculus37r0b-: That would be a refurbished Sansa, then. SanDisk has been known to do that (use parts from one series on the other).
18:47:24LambdaCalculus37That's why we always say the best way to determine what model you have is to check the firmware version.
18:47:45funmansaratogahome2: it uses MEMORYSIZE so it should be ok
18:48:17funmanr0b-: refurbished?
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18:51:34r0b-its a refurb
18:54:06saratogahome2i'll look into it further tonight
18:54:08funmansaratogahome2: the c200v2 puts light on a buffer problem, and the framebuffer is smaller than fuze so perhaps it wouldn't fit
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18:54:12funmani would try with 3MB
18:54:39funmani'll try to find will to look at this further this evening
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19:27:20LambdaCalculus37rasher: What are the FS#'s for the French and Hebrew translations?
19:28:15Genesislinuxstb, : i've the 140e:b011 in usb, what it means ?
19:28:40LambdaCalculus37Genesis: That's the VendorID and ProductID.
19:28:42GenesisBus 002 Device 009: ID 140e:b011 Telechips, Inc. TCC780X-based player (USB Boot mode)
19:28:55saratogafunman: I suppose I'll need to change the MEMORY <= 2 defines as well?
19:29:20GenesisLambdaCalculus37, : of course
19:29:20Genesis"If it shows as 140e:b011, then let me know - tcctool won't work if that's the case."
19:29:20Genesis( )
19:29:27funmansaratoga: ah right :P
19:29:46funmanperhaps the framebuffer can fit in the 2MB of DRAM i am not sure
19:30:03funmanor you could disable features (tagcache, AA, jpeg ..) until it links
19:30:26funmanor FM, etc .. just trim the config-fuze.h until it builds, and put the framebuffer in dram
19:30:35saratogabefore it would link, just not run :)
19:30:43Genesisso i let linuxstb know but i don't know what to do with this :}
19:30:53saratogawith 3MB but no other changes some codecs fail to link, fixing that, I get sane values in the buffering screen but no playback
19:31:17saratogausing e200v2 btw
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19:44:03funmanhow sane ? did you try several tracks?
19:44:12funmanand power off / resume playback
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19:47:18funmanaudiobufend = 0x61632023 on c200v2 ..
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19:56:27saratogawell sane as in non-negative :)
19:56:32vekin_hi, i read the faq and it says to check the firmware version when identifying a sansa player.. i have a fuze and the version is 01.10.15A but i do not know how to tell if it is a c200 or e200
19:57:12funmanvekin_: it's a fuze
19:57:27evilnick_7c200 and e200 are totally different players
19:57:30vekin_ah ok
19:57:32vekin_i wasn't clear
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20:00:04rasherLambdaCalculus37: FS #10300, FS #10299
20:01:39funmananything blocking the release ?
20:02:01LambdaCalculus37rasher: No problem. I'll commit those when I can get net access for my MacBook.
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20:02:14LambdaCalculus37Should I put them into the 3.3 branch as well?
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20:10:06pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: be careful though, the release branch does not have the same set of strings as the "normal" one...
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20:10:11funmanwell audiobuf is quite higher, perhaps because of dircache
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20:11:06LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Then if anything, I'll not commit it to the release branch until someone checks over it to make sure nothing will break.
20:12:04romaprivet vsem, кто говорит на русском ?
20:12:21funmanroma: speak english please
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20:13:09rasherI think those translations were before the pitchscreen commit
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20:13:58pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: for the hebrew one, I think the second last would be good for the release branch and the last for SVN
20:14:37romaI have SANS FUZE, I can install RockBox on it ?
20:15:01romaand play in plays on him
20:15:13pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: maybe you'll see when the patch doesn't apply anymore...
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20:15:25romaplay in games
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20:16:20CIA-70New commit by mcuelenaere (r21331): Ingenic Jz4740: enable IRAM (only core, without ibss)
20:17:07romahelp mу plz
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20:17:54bertrikroma, rockbox for the fuze is being worked on but is not ready yet
20:19:57LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Okay, I'll the patches as such for the Hebrew translation.
20:21:06funmanbertrik: hi! it seems the c200v2 suffers from the clip problem (even worse)
20:21:09*JdGordon| wonders if LambdaCalculus37 is creating new languages now?
20:21:53bertrikfunman, hi. Too bad about that, I hope to have a go at fixing it this weekend for the e200
20:22:23bertrikfunman, could you read the chip id?
20:22:29funmanand the same radio problem than e200v2
20:22:40funmanyes but i didn't write it, do you want it ?
20:23:01bertrikyes please
20:23:03romaзачем разбирать плеер
20:23:30LambdaCalculus37JdGordon| Only if I can translate Rockbox into Klingon. :P
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20:24:05LambdaCalculus37roma: This is an English language channel.
20:25:03bertrikfunman, moving the stacks to IRAM seemed to make a lot of difference for me, I haven't seen in at all (several hours of play last night and today)
20:25:53bertrikprobably that wasn't really the core problem, but still interesting
20:26:29funmanthe thread code checks for stack overflow on thread switch
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20:27:56CIA-70New commit by mcuelenaere (r21332): Fix red
20:31:26funmannote to self: c200v1 build doesn't run on c200v2
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20:38:42funmanhmm audiobuffer is 656 bytes with logf enabled..
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20:40:41low_lightLambdaCalculus37: for your SA9200: low_light/asset/rockbox-sa9200-zip">
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20:43:41LambdaCalculus37low_light: Thanks!
20:43:48LambdaCalculus37What's in this build? Anything new?
20:45:49low_lighttouchpad ;)
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20:48:09LambdaCalculus37low_light: Sweet! :)
20:49:39LambdaCalculus37Now I can get to some manual work!
20:52:56low_lightLambdaCalculus37: I'd like to get the hdd1630 "official." It could use keymap work, a manual, and a rbutil install.
20:54:13LambdaCalculus37low_light: I already started some manual work for the HDD1630.
20:54:28*toffe82 thinks should make extra hours to have these manual ready ;)
20:54:46funmanlow_light: can you share disassembly of yh925 so i can look for similar code in yh920 ?
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20:56:50low_lightfunman: I can email it to you later
20:59:32low_lightLambdaCalculus37: the sa9200 has a new lcd size (128x160), so the cabbie theme will need to be reworked
21:01:04low_lightAlso, you'll probably hear clicks/pops when playing music on the SA9200. It's especially noticable in the debug i/o screen. Probably a clock/timing issue.
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21:05:49funmanbertrik: increasing audiobuffer size on the c200v2 shows a difference in files which play (files which didn't play now do)
21:06:33bertrikah cool
21:06:47funmanwhich is annoying because i wanted to trigger the bug ;)
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21:12:47CIA-70New commit by funman (r21333): c200v2 simulator
21:12:57funmanBagder: can you add c200v2 bootloader/firmware/sim builds ?
21:13:01LambdaCalculus37low_light: Who usually does new cabbie sizes?
21:13:29pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: what's the screen resolution?
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21:13:45low_lightpixelma: 160x128
21:13:51LambdaCalculus37pixelma: 128x160
21:14:04low_lighterrr 128x160
21:14:15pixelmaso portrait?
21:14:25LambdaCalculus37x16... don't forget the color depth! ;
21:14:31low_lightI have the sim build ready too
21:16:35*LambdaCalculus37 smells a commit!
21:17:13low_lightnot from work :/
21:18:59LambdaCalculus37low_light: There's still no proper bootloader for the SA9200, is there?
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21:21:27toffe82interesting paper on power management for portable audio player :
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21:29:04low_lightLambdaCalculus37: You need the Rockbox bootloader to load rockbox.mi4.
21:29:14low_lightIt's the initial installation of that's complicated since there's no msc usb mode.
21:29:31low_lightin the OF, that is
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21:32:33low_lightLambdaCalculus37: I don't know if we could use sendfirm to install the first and then install the bootloader in the usual way.
21:32:51LambdaCalculus37low_light: The SA9200 is MTP-only, right?
21:33:41LambdaCalculus37I think we can take a Gigabeast-like method of install here.
21:36:38low_lightLambdaCalculus37: yes. I'll leave that up to you :P
21:37:45funmanbertrik: can you bench a lcd modification on your c200v1?
21:37:52LambdaCalculus37low_light: Me, with less than stellar coding skills? ;)
21:39:55low_lightat leas you know how the compile sendfirm :)
21:42:52LambdaCalculus37low_light: That's true. :)
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21:44:18LambdaCalculus37low_light: While we're on the subject of the GoGears, on FS #10269, I think your idea is a much more logical way of adding the GoGear HDD6330 to the build system.
21:45:35LambdaCalculus37Mine was just a big kludgey mess that I was trying to iron out, but it was also an exercise for me to learn how to add a new target to the build system.
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21:46:13robi dont know if this is a bug or my music file but rock box occasionaly cuts off the last minute of some songs
21:48:44PaulJam_rob: does this happen reproduceably with the same songs?
21:49:05robyea which means it might be the mp3
21:49:35robthis one song cut off twice but in 2 different spoits
21:52:22PaulJam_do the songs play fine on your pc?
21:52:47robi havent tried yet
21:53:05robthe issue is i can only remember the name of 1 song
21:53:07robnot the other
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21:54:14robill see if it plays fine all thee way through on my pc
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21:54:18robif not does that mean its Rockbox?
21:55:21PaulJam_you could also check your player for filesystem errors (using chkdsk or fschk.vfat)
21:55:22robits the mp3
21:56:04bertrikfunman, sure, what should I test?
21:56:21robsomeone screwed with the recording
21:57:23funmanbertrik: (same lcd_send_data than svn but in asm)
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21:58:21funmanwell and i can save a stm if ldrh takes the same time than ldm
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21:59:45epithetlessHi, folks. Pardon the interruption. I'm David Thacker −− I occasionally post in the forums (as epithetless) and am interested in obtaining write permissions for the Wiki.
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22:00:09webmindgood evening
22:01:20saratogaon arm7 load/store multiple are much faster then single stores
22:01:30saratogaon arm9 they're about the same, but give larger codes sizes obviously
22:01:37funmansaratoga: for only one word ?
22:01:47funmanepithetless: what's your wiki name ?
22:02:25saratogafunman: for a single word I think both will be the same
22:02:28*webmind just replaced the CF card on his ipod-mini
22:02:38webmindbut now I want rockbox on it again
22:02:49funmanepithetless: should be ok now
22:02:53webmindand I was wondering how it should be partitioned?
22:03:02*robin0800_ is back.
22:03:40pixelmarobin0800_: don't do this here
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22:04:08funmansaratoga: gcc stores/load r4 on the stack but i could avoid that by doing 1 more ldrb
22:04:25PaulJam_webmind: i think the easiest way would be to restore it with itunes (i'm not sure itf this will work with a cf modded ipod, though)
22:04:38gevaertsit will
22:04:46webmindPaulJam_, I run linux
22:04:50webmindso no itunes
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22:05:16epithetlessThanks, funman! I'm still waiting for my activation code to be sent via email (following my TWikiRegistration submission) −− I assume it's just a matter of waiting longer?
22:05:32PaulJam_webmind: then the wiki should have a page called IpodManualRestore or similar, containing the informations
22:05:36funmanepithetless: there's no activation code
22:05:38gevaertswebmind: have a look at You can get an mbr from there (or near there), and then resize the other partition
22:05:54epithetlessAh, good to know. Thanks again!
22:06:10funmanepithetless: are you sure it's "DavidThacker" ?
22:06:44funmanI don't see you in
22:06:53epithetlessThat's what I entered on the registration page (just now)...
22:07:49funmanI added you on , perhaps you need to login again .. i don't really know how registration works
22:08:35Tornefunman: er, i remember having to activate mine..
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22:08:57Tornei think.
22:09:28Tornei may be thinking of something else.
22:09:56epithetlessYeah, it's not letting me past the Authorization dialog. I'll try registering again.
22:11:26funmanhum perhaps you need to wait for the email then :) i only gave you write permission (for your not yet existing user?)
22:12:05saratogathere is no DavidThacker account on the wiki
22:12:08saratogaso i would try again
22:12:08epithetlessHaha. I'll try patience, then.
22:12:25epithetlessJust re-registered.
22:12:49saratogayou should be able to type you account into the "Go" box and see your page once you're registered
22:14:41bertrikfunman, 43 fps at 30 MHz, 115 fps at 80 MHz
22:14:51webmindhmm, I got the right mbr
22:14:54funmanso still slower than before
22:15:04webmindbut cfdisk/fdisk doesn't recouldnize sda1
22:15:16webmindgparted won't even run on it
22:15:34epithetlessI'll give the activation code some time to reach my inbox before pestering you guys again. Thanks for the help.
22:16:23webmindparted crashed on it
22:16:55funmanbertrik: i need to look at the part which calls it and test on c200v2
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22:29:50wincentDoes anybody know good source for floating-point routines like log and exp?
22:30:27funmani would say glibc
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22:31:21wincentMost obvious answer is often the most elusive :-)
22:31:27wincentThank you.
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22:31:52Torneor newlib/uclibc, whicha re sometimes easier to read
22:31:57IuDeXhi. IS sound working on Sansa AMS? I'm thinking about r21330. Does it work on Clip?
22:31:57Tornethough for math it's probably a wash
22:32:23pyro_maniacfunman: do you know the product id of your YH-920?
22:32:51IuDeXWow. Funman is here :D
22:33:30funmanIuDeX: sound works on Sansa AMS since r19342 (6 months ago)
22:33:49IuDeXfunman: But without stops? :)
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22:34:35funmanit's still buggy as of today
22:35:10IuDeXok thanks. Only thing what I can do for you is now testing.
22:35:31funmanpyro_maniac: 04e8:5022 , same than in config-yh920.h
22:36:14CIA-70New commit by funman (r21334): Confirm USB VID/PID of Samsung YH920
22:37:27pyro_maniacfunman: mine has 04e8:501d
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22:40:15pyro_maniacfunman: do you have a YH-920 GS too?
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22:43:30Bagderso, are we ready to release?
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22:44:03AlexPSpeak now, hold peace etc :)
22:44:07JdGordon|there was 2 lang updates to add before, dunno if llamda ended up getting them in?
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22:44:29gevaertsJdGordon|: confusing Llorean and LambdaCalculus37? :)
22:44:56gevaertsBagder: I have no remaining plans. Do we need Archos flash things?
22:45:19Bagdergevaerts: good question, I don't know
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22:46:08pixelmaJdGordon|: good thing you didn't miss the d in there ;)
22:46:17funmanpyro_maniac: well straneg
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22:46:23funmanthere is no mtp mode on yh
22:47:08pyro_maniacits the second difference to yours
22:48:16BagderI do miss that unifying patch for the tools/release/* scripts...
22:49:05JdGordon|yeah, sorry, ran out of steam on it (if your talking about mine....) also the fact it nuked my rockbox dir was a bit annoying
22:49:07*gevaerts suddenly remembers the ReleaseChecklist page
22:49:32JdGordon|the patch as it is though is fine and might be nice to put in anyway
22:49:36BagderJdGordon: yeah, well I didn't work anything further on it either so I'm not blaming anyone
22:54:07CIA-70New commit by bagder (r21335): (3.3-branch only) modify version strings to 3.3
22:54:21gevaertsamiconn: do we want new archos flash packages?
22:54:39pyro_maniacfunman: is yours a "GS" too?
22:55:26amiconngevaerts: Not this time. Nothing relevant for bootbox or the flash loader has changed
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22:55:29funmandon't think so
22:55:44funmani think kugel has a yh925GS
22:55:49amiconnThis means users will have to flash 3.3 themselves, but that's all
22:55:50ProgramanI'm planning on getting a sansa e260, will rockbox work with this player?
22:56:06gevaertsso an easy release :)
22:56:20pyro_maniacfunman: doesn't it have a sticker on the back with its complete name?
22:56:28pyro_maniacfunman: mine has
22:56:34Bagderok, I can press the button for the release to start cooking
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22:57:09linuxstbPrograman: If you buy it new, then you will get "version 2" hardware, which isn't supported by Rockbox (but it is in development, and partially works). Version 1 hardware works well, and is supported.
22:57:22funmanah it's not very readable but it's YH920GSsomething
22:57:45ProgramanRight, gotta find a ver1, thanx it kept saying e200 but I assumed it ment the series.. Thanx :P
22:58:15linuxstbYes, everywhere we say "e200" we mean "e200 series".
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23:01:47ProgramanThanx again :)
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23:05:12ProgramanAny easy way to tell if it is a version 1? Probaby most of the will be refurbs?
23:05:58linuxstbIf the firmware version is 1.something then it's a version 1. But you (or the seller) needs to turn it on to find that out.
23:07:04linuxstbFW 03.x.x means version 2.
23:07:17gevaertswe still need the note about natsort being expected to change in the release notes. Does anyone have an idea about phrasing and where to put it?
23:08:00JdGordon|gevaerts: so it did get disabled for the release?
23:08:21gevaertsJdGordon|: ascii is the default, but natsort is there if you want it
23:09:05gevaertsIt's just that we know it has bugs, so we know it will change at some point. I'm not really sure now if this is really worth putting on the release notes though. I was yesterday...
23:11:50linuxstbgevaerts: You could add it to the "What's new?" section. Something like "NOTE: This feature is still being developed and its behaviour is likely to change in future releases".
23:12:00linuxstbBut yes, I'm not convinced of the need to say that - everything in Rockbox is subject to change...
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23:12:35*linuxstb has been staying out of the sorting debate
23:12:43*JdGordon| is almost willing to bet that the default will never change...
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23:14:33pixelmait just changed for the release..
23:15:33gevaertsJdGordon|: at some point we'll forget to change it to ascii in the release, and after that we'll have no choice :)
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23:35:09robwell i managed to get my hands on a different version of the skipping osng lets hope it owrks
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23:40:15webmindseems like I got it working again
23:40:26webmindwith an 'incorrect' partition table
23:45:49Bagdersomeone could type up a release mail to the mls
23:46:08gevaertsMrSomeone: ping
23:48:05CIA-70New commit by bagder (r21336): tag the 3.3 release off its branch
23:48:08*funman doesn't feel concerned by stable releases yet but could copy a previous mail if needed
23:49:14*Bagder started pondering on the design of the new build system
23:49:27gevaertsfunman: go ahead!
23:49:36hillshumfunman: do you have anything that runs stable anyway?
23:49:49funmanhillshum: no that's my point :)
23:50:07*hillshum is the same way
23:51:37funmanBagder: should I send it after has been updated ?
23:52:33BagderI guess that's nicest
23:54:25funmandev & user ML, nothing else?
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23:57:39funmanmail & ReleaseNotes33 ready, waiting for instructions
23:58:29gevaertsBagder: shout if you need my build and upload time database
23:58:39bluebrotherBagder: have you already moved the rbutil 1.2.2 binaries?
23:58:58Bagderbluebrother: I only saw the mac ones, what's the url for the other ones?

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