#rockbox 2009-07-02

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#rockbox log for 2009-07-02

00:03:38	kugel	Zagor: my mr500 buiild got killed, then the 0-length pipe message appeared
00:03:49	kugel	the corresponding build dir isn't removed
00:04:04	gevaerts	kugel: did you apply any of the patches?
00:04:07	Zagor	yeah the test is only running on gevaerts clients
00:04:31	kugel	no I didn't, I was just posting what we have currently :)
00:04:53	gevaerts	rasher as well, but I don't know if he's running right now
00:05:19	*	gevaerts did slow down his clients, so he should get some kills
00:05:40		Quit ender` (" Sex is dirty - if you do it right. -- Isaac Asimov")
00:06:10	Zagor	this build round is coming to an end
00:07:12	Zagor	it will be quicker to just update all clients to -9 and see if that fixes it
00:07:20		Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat")
00:07:36	gevaerts	the setpgrp may also be needed
00:07:50	gevaerts	but yes, that should help
00:08:05	kugel	I just applied the patches..
00:08:12	gevaerts	and maybe reduce the number of targets to build, so we get to collisions faster?
00:08:18	*	kugel is too late again
00:08:35	Zagor	gevaerts: good point. get everyone building the same.
00:09:17	bertrik	funman, wow that is a nice reduction for the ams sansas
00:09:18	gevaerts	kugel: so you now have kill -9, $pid near the end? Just checking that reversed patch of mine didn't cause confusion
00:09:31	kugel	all went fine
00:09:50	kugel	I applied using your (clearly crazy) instructions
00:10:00	kugel	-p0 for the first, -p0 -R
00:10:05	kugel	for the second
00:10:31	gevaerts	ok
00:10:57	Zagor	I need to read up on setpgrp
00:11:01	kugel	just double checked, it's alright
00:11:04	gevaerts	I still seem to have two builds running, but they seem to be stuck
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00:11:53	Zagor	gevaerts: you are not alone. "6 builds in progress"
00:11:56	gevaerts	ipod video sim, stuck in configure
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00:12:17	gevaerts	My guess is that they're waiting for memory size or something like that
00:12:38	gevaerts	can you remote-kill builds?
00:13:13	Zagor	did that do it?
00:13:27	gevaerts	yes
00:13:55	Zagor	then yes ;)
00:14:16	Zagor	though we might want to add a more elegant way
00:14:25	gevaerts	did you kill the server?
00:14:32	Zagor	yes
00:14:56	gevaerts	anyway, both clients running again, both with kill -9 in them
00:15:37	Bagder	we can add fancy commands to the "commander" setup
00:17:29	CIA-69	New commit by zagor (r21602): Added −−ram=32 to ipodvideosim.
00:19:04	CIA-69	New commit by zagor (r21603): −−ram wants two dashes
00:20:30	kugel	hehe
00:20:52	kugel	next time you better copy&paste the actual change from your commit message :)
00:21:03	Zagor	yeah...
00:22:13	Zagor	gevaerts: any luck?
00:22:19	kugel	Unhelpful: ping
00:22:35	kugel	did a new round start?
00:22:54	gevaerts	Zagor: I still get "0-length pipe msg from 4!", but at least this time there were no remains
00:23:04	Zagor	kugel: yes. I had everyone doing the same build.
00:23:11	kugel	I didn'T get one
00:23:25	gevaerts	maybe try again a few times to make sure
00:23:26	kugel	I'm still at HELLO...
00:23:43	gevaerts	kugel: still, or back?
00:23:48	kugel	still
00:24:25	kugel	I killed it with ctrl+c at the end of the round before, to add the patches, then restart
00:24:41	Zagor	kugel: what is your username/clientname?
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00:24:50	kugel	kugel and kugel
00:25:33	Zagor	I'm not seeing you in the list.
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00:25:47	kugel	Zagor: maybe the server didn't "refresh" my name, and I reconnected while the old one wasn't timed out or something
00:26:14	kugel	I restarted manually now
00:26:18	Zagor	did you see my restart now? I still don't see your client.
00:26:55	kugel	I'm not even at HELLO, just "Starting client [...]"
00:27:29	Zagor	kugel: sounds like you are connecting to the wrong server...
00:27:33	*	kugel slaps his forehead
00:27:36	Zagor	ah, there you are
00:27:40	funman	mcuelenaere: will you need to merge ata-sd-jz4740.c with whereever you got the code ?
00:28:01	kugel	the internet connection went down
00:30:02	Zagor	duh, of course we get 0-length pipe message. we never remove it from the select list...
00:31:21	Bagder	Zagor: two things to improve: 1) make zip in the upload process, and 2) don't upload zip for failed builds
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00:33:09	mcuelenaere	funman: hmm I think putting sd_parse_csd(currcard); in the part where the CSD currently gets parsed will do?
00:33:14	kugel	don't even start the upload process for failed builds maybe? only a seperate upload-log process
00:33:22	mcuelenaere	actually, that could be right at the end of the init code
00:33:35	Zagor	Bagder: make zip is already ran "in the background"
00:33:47	Bagder	ok
00:34:02	funman	mcuelenaere: i feel like removing the csd parsing already present in the code
00:34:11	kugel	uploadling the log seperately (and before the .zip) might be a good idea, if we want to have live stats on the build page
00:34:18	funman	that needs storing csd/cid in the correct order
00:34:24	Zagor	kugel: we do that already
00:34:32	kugel	good :)
00:34:54	mcuelenaere	funman: yes, I feel like that too; but I'm afraid the current code depends on that :(
00:35:52	mcuelenaere	yep, it does; but it's only for a small part
00:35:58	funman	that's why i'm cleaning it
00:36:16	funman	i also changed all references to MMC to SD, this is why i ask if you'll ever need to merge
00:36:25	bertrik	funman, I like the fact you're cleaning it up :)
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00:36:31	funman	the list of SD commands is already written in sd.h with SD_ prefix
00:37:01	bertrik	funman, you are aware that there are some minor differences between the MMC, SD v1 and SD v2 CSD's, right?
00:37:09	funman	bertrik: yes
00:37:22	funman	but only the ondio are MMC able and i didn't modify them
00:37:30	mcuelenaere	funman: merge with what?
00:37:43	funman	mcuelenaere: who wrote the code?
00:37:50	mcuelenaere	Ingenic
00:38:06	funman	will they update it ?
00:38:10	mcuelenaere	probably not
00:38:18	mcuelenaere	even then, we're forking it :)
00:38:27	funman	i also removed the mmc failover part..
00:38:36	mcuelenaere	k
00:38:50	mcuelenaere	anything to reduce the binsize ;)
00:39:33	funman	still builds, 63 lines less
00:40:46	mcuelenaere	funman: I suppose sd_sleep, sd_spin, sd_spindown, etc can also be in drivers/sd.c?
00:40:56	funman	yeah
00:40:57	mcuelenaere	(also sd_get_info)
00:41:12	funman	but i suppose they even should be removed since only ata use them
00:41:36	CIA-69	New commit by funman (r21604): Ingenic jz4740 SD driver: remove custom list of SD commands ...
00:41:49	funman	here, you can sync with me and do it :P
00:42:43	Zagor	gah, my test client completes first all the time :-( I need to reduce the number of cores used.
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00:43:00	gevaerts	still no remaining build directories
00:43:08		Quit petur ("Zzzzz (2)")
00:44:59	JdGordon\|	I ave quite a few left over build dirs....
00:45:12	gevaerts	did you apply the patches?
00:45:33	JdGordon\|	isnt the client supposed to be able to be updated automagically?
00:45:50	Zagor	JdGordon\|: the test code is not committed yet
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00:46:29	JdGordon\|	ah
00:46:32	gevaerts	I think the kill bit seems to be working anyway
00:47:04	Zagor	gevaerts: and with my added $read_set->remove($pipe) the 0-byte pipe is gone too. I'll commit this and bump required-version.
00:47:12	gevaerts	great!
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00:48:58	CIA-69	New commit by zagor (r21605): Kill whole child process group. Remove child pipe from read_set when killing it.
00:49:48	Zagor	hmm?
00:49:52	kugel	autoupdate is going crazy
00:50:08	gevaerts	is there a version number you forgot somewhere?
00:50:09	JdGordon\|	yeah, that was odd
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00:50:52	Bagder	like the svn rev to upgrade to...
00:51:07	Zagor	ah, that
00:51:24	Zagor	phew, that's better
00:53:18	Zagor	yay, all clients survived. anyone got leftover dirs?
00:53:34	gevaerts	not here
00:53:59	kugel	awesome
00:54:01	JdGordon\|	I dont think so
00:54:31	JdGordon\|	did the -j get disabled? it seems to be very slwo
00:54:33	JdGordon\|	slow
00:55:07	Zagor	no -j is still active
00:56:08	*	stripwax is annoyed by #7967
00:56:17	CIA-69	New commit by mcuelenaere (r21606): * Move some more stuff to the general SD driver ...
00:58:32	CIA-69	New commit by zagor (r21607): Bumped client revision
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00:59:12	funman	the SD clock depends on transfer speed reported by the card ..
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01:02:11	Xqtftqx1	Hey people, whos got a zune
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01:03:24	mcuelenaere	funman: isn't that the same as tCardInfo->speed?
01:06:45	CIA-69	New commit by zagor (r21608): Only make zip if build was successful.
01:06:59	funman	yes
01:07:06	funman	i believe it's not related
01:07:39	funman	and will just use maximal clock
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01:09:06	kugel	Zagor: I'm wondering when the new system is ready to replace the old one?
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01:10:26	*	stripwax hmms
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01:11:23	stripwax	apps/playlist_viewer.c - line 721ish, - else if (ret > 0 ). I think that will always return false, so that code never gets executed. [should be ret_val not ret]. But I'm wondering why playlist viewer isn't broken
01:11:33	Zagor	kugel: quite soon, I think. I don't know if Bagder still has any known issues remaining
01:11:58	rasher	Zagor: the bits part of the hello string isn't terribly useful
01:12:05	rasher	(since it's hardcoded at 32)
01:12:10	kugel	funman, mcuelenaere: I'm thinking the generic sd_sleep() could call the target specific _sd_sleep() (and sd-target.h has the #ifdef BOOTLOADER stuff).
01:12:13	Mikachu	stripwax: you notice one says ret_val and the other just ret?
01:12:25	kugel	That's how it's done with lcd_enable() and backlight, basically
01:12:26	Zagor	rasher: ah right, that is left
01:12:31	funman	kugel: what's sd_sleep() for ?
01:12:47	stripwax	Mikachu - yes (which is why I said I think it should be ret_val not ret −− since ret is always false)
01:12:49	kugel	no idea
01:12:59	mcuelenaere	funman, kugel; that comes from ata_sleep()
01:13:00	kugel	I thought it was related to sd_enable
01:13:24	gevaerts	it's there because all storage things need a sleep() implementation at the moment
01:13:30	kugel	like sd_sleep == sd_enable(false) and sd_spin == sd_enable(true)
01:13:37	Mikachu	indeed, all the places that set ret = true also return
01:14:00	stripwax	Mikachu - onplay_menu returns 1 if playlist changes, but then this code seems to ignore that. I wonder what is broken as a result
01:14:09	funman	kugel: it is a function only needed for ATA
01:14:15	gevaerts	kugel: no. sleep and spin are advisory things. enable/disable are hard
01:14:19	Mikachu	i don't think i know what menu it actually is, or if i can access it on a nano :)
01:14:22	stripwax	Also, oddly, onplay_menu doesn't return 1 if the playlist entries are moved around, only if a playlist entry is deleted
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01:14:34	kugel	gevaerts: well, what?
01:14:41	stripwax	Mikachu - the playlist menu .. context select in the View Playlist screen
01:14:52	funman	gevaerts: they should be defined to nothign in storage.h i think? or in sd.h/mmc.h?
01:15:20	kugel	I think they should be used actually, and move calls out of the driver
01:15:22	gevaerts	funman: I don't remember the details, but there was something that made that hard to do...
01:15:30	funman	gevaerts: hard is not impossible :)
01:15:45	gevaerts	true :)
01:15:48	funman	kugel: well they only are meaningful for targets with ATA disks
01:16:03	kugel	Why?
01:16:20	kugel	we have sd_enable, which basically puts the sd stuff to sleep or wakes it up
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01:16:34	funman	i meant sd_spin
01:16:57	funman	ata_enable puts the controller to sleep, ata_sleep puts the disk to sleep if i'm correct
01:17:27	mcuelenaere	funman: how I can verify that my CSD is correct? (which it currently isn't)
01:17:37	funman	mcuelenaere: wait for the next commit ;)
01:17:41	amiconn	mcuelenaere: Is there a specific reason why the Ondas don't support MMC, or just not-yet-written code?
01:17:45	kugel	if the api works well we can remove the calls to sd_enable from the drivers
01:18:01	mcuelenaere	amiconn: there's currently no device with an MMC connector on the market..
01:18:01	gevaerts	kugel: it's never going to be as efficient
01:18:06	stripwax	Mikachu - whee, playing track "1 of 0", and sim freezes. That's what happens. neat.
01:18:14	funman	amiconn: why is the transfer speed multiplied by 1000 in ata_mmc.c line 440 ?
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01:18:19	kugel	gevaerts: why?
01:18:28	Mikachu	stripwax: and nobody ever did this before? :)
01:18:57	stripwax	To reproduce, play track one off an album, then delete all tracks (in reverse order) from the playlist viewer, including the playing track. Playlist viewer exits, then hit Resume and it's now a bit stuffed
01:18:59	stripwax	Guess not :)
01:19:00	gevaerts	kugel: because storage_sleep() is called a long time after the last transfer (if ever), while sd_disable() is called immediately
01:19:03	amiconn	mcuelenaere: What do you mean? Fullsize SD and MMC have the same form factor apart from thickness, and the same basic contacts
01:19:15	Mikachu	stripwax: JdGordon\| broke it
01:19:20	mcuelenaere	funman: does your next commit touch the Ingenic code? (which I'm reworking atm :) )
01:19:21	amiconn	An SD slot can always be used to connect an MMC
01:19:29	kugel	and why is it being called so late?
01:19:29	funman	mcuelenaere: yeah a lot
01:19:30	mcuelenaere	amiconn: these are microSD slots
01:19:34	Mikachu	stripwax: commit 13269
01:19:36	JdGordon\|	Mikachu: what did I break?
01:19:40	mcuelenaere	funman: ahh, my does too..
01:19:41	amiconn	ah
01:19:42	gevaerts	kugel: because it's designed for hard drives
01:19:55	funman	mcuelenaere: :/
01:20:03	Mikachu	JdGordon\|: you changed ret to ret_val, but missed one
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01:20:08	kugel	alright, so the api doesn't work well :>
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01:20:17	JdGordon\|	eeek, woops
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01:20:21	Mikachu	stripwax, JdGordon\|, the commit is from 2007 though
01:20:24	Dakar	Hi there
01:20:27	mcuelenaere	amiconn: but sure, the SoC supports MMC; it was supported a bit before; now it isn't anymore
01:20:30	Mikachu	:D
01:20:39	funman	mcuelenaere: http://pastie.org/531452
01:20:45	stripwax	Mikachu - true, but FS #7967 is from around then too
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01:20:58	Mikachu	ah
01:20:58	funman	i just need to set tran_speed correctly before committing
01:21:04	gevaerts	kugel: feel free to redesign it
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01:21:10	funman	well
01:21:15	mcuelenaere	funman: http://pastebin.com/d2de3a198 :)
01:21:18	gevaerts	I don't see why you'd need to though
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01:21:27	kugel	gevaerts: ok, once you finish the multi drive rework
01:22:01	funman	mcuelenaere: i removed a bit more ;)
01:22:16	mcuelenaere	funman: yes, yours seems to be more thorough :)
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01:22:25	stripwax	What's supposed to happen when you resume playback after you've deleted all tracks from the playlist, out of interest? If I fix that ret to ret_val, it no longer freezes when I try that, and it does resume the last track I tried deleting
01:22:28	mcuelenaere	and mine didn't work on-target (yet)
01:22:31	amiconn	funman: Hmm, what do you mean?
01:22:48	stripwax	Would have thought it would go via 'nothing to resume' instead
01:23:05	kugel	still better than freezing
01:23:16	funman	amiconn: just figured out what the +4 means .. sorry
01:23:18	stripwax	Hm, yeah I can easily reproduce the 'track 1 of 0' and freezing still
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01:23:26	cmwslw	great news for people that haven't heard!
01:23:49	funman	mcuelenaere: can you test this one on target before i commit it ?
01:23:57	cmwslw	the linux4nano project has successfully run unsigned and unencrypted code on the ipod 2G
01:24:02	amiconn	+4 would be *10000... but it just adapts the exponent[] array to how the speed values are defined
01:24:03	CIA-69	New commit by zagor (r21609): Cancel queued builds too.
01:24:17	cmwslw	we were able to dump the 50kb bootrom
01:24:27	funman	amiconn: yep
01:24:29	kugel	we noticed
01:24:50	cmwslw	using the bootrom's code, we can crack the ipod's firmware encryption mechanism
01:25:05	stripwax	cmwslw - great news indeed. is that "can" or "have" ? :-)
01:25:08	cmwslw	and write custom firmware like rockbox! yay
01:25:16	funman	cmwslw: good news, now the next step is find how to replace the firmware file
01:25:20	Mikachu	so obligatory stupid question, how different is 3g from 2g? :)
01:25:22	amiconn	cmwslw: iPod 2G is running unsigned and unencrypted code for a long time already... please don't increase the confusion of Nano generations and fullsize ipod generations
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01:25:31	kugel	yea, you actually don't need to put effort into ipodlinux
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01:25:37	cmwslw	we HAVE the bootrom and have disassembled it
01:25:44	cmwslw	we have yet to understand it
01:25:52	jbesclapezbis	hi again (sorry got disconnected)
01:25:58	jbesclapezbis	i have the spudidest request of help you could imagine... In fact i just need someone to guide me ... this person should have its rockbox ipod in front of him and just tell me first icon, or second...blablabl... I just need to change my WPS and i cant do it on my own because my fonts are not readable. So please just guide me!!
01:25:59	stripwax	cmwslw - you mean ipod nano 2g right? rather than ipod classic 2g?
01:26:08	mcuelenaere	funman: sure
01:26:13	kugel	stripwax: classic 2g is ambigious too
01:26:14	cmwslw	yep, ipod nano 2g
01:26:26	stripwax	jbesclapez - can you try resetting the rockbox settings to default and go from there?
01:26:36	cmwslw	firmware encryption should be the same for 3G nano and possibly 4G
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01:27:09	cmwslw	see l4n.clustur.com and home.gna.org/linux4nano/ for more infos
01:27:15	jbesclapezbis	how do i do that??? i just installed v3.3 now over the v3.2
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01:27:36	jbesclapezbis	and there was no change :-)
01:27:56	funman	mcuelenaere: the controller gives the registers in the "correct" order, because the first byte of the array is checked for CSD v1 or v2 (bits 127:126)
01:28:04	jbesclapezbis	i can see all the icons on the right... but not the fonts....
01:28:06	stripwax	jbesclapez - it's in the manual. when you start up rockbox, flip the hold switch to ON, and it will reset rockbox settings. If you do it too early it will boot to the Apple firmware instead
01:28:30	Mikachu	or you can plug it in and remove the .rockbox/config.cfg file (right?)
01:28:37	stripwax	jbesclapez - oh ok. in that case, fourth icon, select, then fourth icon again, select, then first icon
01:28:47	jbesclapezbis	i love you :-)
01:29:16	jbesclapezbis	problem solved...
01:29:22	jbesclapezbis	i told you it was dumbd!!!!!!!!!!!
01:29:23	mcuelenaere	funman: ATA error
01:29:35	jbesclapezbis	it is me trying many themes!!!!
01:29:49	funman	mcuelenaere: perhaps we need to use small steps :o)
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01:30:17	mcuelenaere	hmm the clock seems to get set right, so you're further than my patch
01:30:19	stripwax	jbesclapez - I wouldn't be surprised if most developers try few if any themes other than the default cabbiev2 theme :)
01:30:46	funman	mcuelenaere: what if you try clock FAST instead of HIGH in line 1120 ?
01:31:03	funman	mcuelenaere: oops
01:31:04	kugel	re this mantissa and exponent array, multiplying with the last exponent would overflow, wouldn't it?
01:31:05	mcuelenaere	hmm no, it's not a ATA error; it can't find any partitions
01:31:10	funman	mips is little endian, right ?
01:31:11	mcuelenaere	meaning read/write doesn't work
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01:31:14	mcuelenaere	yes
01:31:20	funman	the memcpy isn't right then
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01:31:38	funman	in SD_ALL_SEND_CID and SD_SEND_CSD
01:31:55	jbesclapezbis	another dumb question : by mistake i changed the language... it is now in russian...
01:32:11	jbesclapezbis	cant read it anymore ehhehe
01:32:18	stripwax	sigh
01:32:21	kugel	just reset the settings on reboot...
01:32:40	jbesclapezbis	yep probably faster
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01:34:28	jbesclapezbis	no in the reset, i still cant read the fonts....
01:35:16	stripwax	cmwslw - I don't see any details on your wiki, I'm guessing you're not making the disassembled firmware available at this time
01:35:36	stripwax	jbesclapezbis - did it say 'resetting settings'?
01:35:50	n00b81	stripwax: details are on the homepage right now
01:35:59	n00b81	If you want the dump, you may PM
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01:37:33	stripwax	n00b81 - I'm looking at l4n.clustur.com and don't see something that shows how to inject code ..
01:37:58	jbesclapezbis	stripwax - could you please jsut guide me again like you did before for the language change?
01:38:13	n00b81	No, the homepage of the gna project page.
01:38:51	stripwax	ah
01:39:11	n00b81	:)
01:39:15	n00b81	Need link?
01:39:31	jbesclapezbis	stripwax, it is in the general settings
01:39:38	stripwax	jbesclapezbis - fourth, third, second-to-last.
01:39:40	jbesclapezbis	one before the last
01:39:50	jbesclapezbis	thanks mate
01:40:03	CIA-69	New commit by funman (r21610): Move sd_get_info() into common sd code
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01:40:48	stripwax	n00b81 - nope, got it, thanks
01:40:55	n00b81	k
01:41:21	Xqtftqx1	n00b81: !!! Can i pm you?
01:41:32	n00b81	Hey dude, sure
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01:43:22	funman	mcuelenaere: hum where does the 512bytes binsize increase on onda in r21606 ?
01:43:41	jbesclapezbis	just deleted the config file and it is back to normal!!!
01:43:55	jbesclapezbis	stripwax - thanks a lot for your time
01:43:59	stripwax	np
01:44:17	mcuelenaere	funman: hmm right, that looks odd
01:44:27	funman	mcuelenaere: sd_parse_csd ;)
01:44:42	mcuelenaere	ah yes, the linker stripped it before :)
01:45:17	mcuelenaere	hmm no, that commit doesn't call sd_parse_csd
01:45:40	stripwax	Ok so I think if the playlist gets deleted until it is empty, then we need to set the global resume_index to -1 to prevent that craziness.
01:46:00	funman	true, how could have the linker been confused?
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01:49:12	cmwslw	stripwax: we just got the dump today! wiki updates will follow
01:49:37	cmwslw	also, we can't make the dump publically available due to copyright crap
01:49:50	stripwax	probably, makes sense
01:51:04	stripwax	Mikachu/JdGordon - quickly review http://pastebin.com/d26761634 ?
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01:51:20	stripwax	I may also commit the patch in FS #7967 if nobody has any objection
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01:57:20	kugel	mcuelenaere: just curious, what happens to the stack if I use exit()?
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01:58:41	kugel	gevaerts: traversedir seems to be a real stack bummer in rfa, for the same reason as r21576
01:59:34	mcuelenaere	kugel: in Lua or C?
01:59:45	kugel	C
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02:00:44	kugel	I'd think the stack pointer is just restored to what it was when jmp_buf was initialized, but I don't know
02:00:46	mcuelenaere	hmm yes, that's actually a good point; you shouldn't be calling exit() from a function which puts much stuff on the stack
02:00:53	mcuelenaere	ah
02:00:58	mcuelenaere	lemme check
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02:01:34	kugel	mcuelenaere: I was thinking that too, I have no real idea how exit works
02:02:01	kugel	this long/setjmp business is mostly a mystery for me
02:02:03	mcuelenaere	hmm yes, at least on ARM it reverts the SP
02:02:43	kugel	alight, cool
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02:02:51	mcuelenaere	CFG & MIPS too
02:02:52	stripwax	Kinda feels odd to set global_status.resume_index inside playlist_viewer actually, it sort-of feels like playlist_delete should automagically set resume_index to -1 if you delete the one and only track in the currently-playing playlist
02:02:54	mcuelenaere	CF*
02:03:10	mcuelenaere	kugel: setjmp & longjmp are in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/codecs/lib/
02:03:27	mcuelenaere	(the setjmp*.S files)
02:03:33	uwill	Who made the RB VMware image?
02:04:03	mcuelenaere	uwill: I think scorche did that
02:05:00	uwill	scorche: Did you use VMware ESX Server to make the RB VMware image?
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02:34:44	funman	kugel: i just tested mkamsboot on a fuze bootloader and it gave the same output
02:35:09	funman	i will test on a v2 firmware
02:35:24	kugel	it worked on my fuze too, I was worried about v2
02:36:48	funman	works fine too
02:37:59	stripwax	If I edit an existing, saved playlist via the playlist context menu (i.e. without loading and playing the playlist), how do I actually save the modified playlist? The context menu in that playlist editor has no save option, and backing out seems to lose the changed
02:38:03	stripwax	^changed^changes
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02:38:25	stripwax	Doesn't appear to be an 'editing saved playlists' section in the manual!
02:39:23	funman	kugel: you can commit it and after that i think we can call it v1.1
02:40:18	kugel	ok
02:40:36	kugel	didn't we have some sansa fuze v2 code somewhere?
02:41:36	funman	yes it's in some repository
02:42:07	kugel	stripwax: there should be some way, we made "warn on erasing dynamic playlist" default to on for the sake of not losing changes
02:42:10	stripwax	Yeah, there doesn't seem to be any way to save changes (specifically deletes/moves) on a playlist other than the current playing playlist. You can make the changes either via context menu or playlist catalog, but you can't save them
02:42:13	kugel	I don't know which though
02:42:43	kugel	"other than the current playing list"?
02:43:51	stripwax	i.e. a playlist saved on disk in a .m3u8 file
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02:44:14	stripwax	You can view and edit a saved playlist by context menu on the .m3u8 file and going to View Playlist. You can make changes but not save them
02:45:28	stripwax	It's easy enough to save the current playlist assuming you've loaded it (whether it's dynamic enough), but it seems impossible to change on-disk playlists, other than adding tracks to them [which appears to be the only operation supported, and that via Playlist Catalog]
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10:34:05	gibbon_	hiho
10:35:05	gibbon_	a while ago i - i must admit overhastily - offered to sponsor a rockbox build server...
10:36:08	gibbon_	i don't recall who said "we would appreciate that" ... but i guess that i will get that box running today.
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10:54:10	petur	gibbon_: stop installing the old way, there's a new build framework on the way that is way easier to setup and until then we don't add new servers to the old system
10:54:51	gibbon_	petur: well, ok. the system is running anyway, so you may contact me, if you need it
10:56:08	petur	all will be revealed on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuildServerRemake
10:56:15	gibbon_	thanks
10:56:33	petur	includes info how to set it up to join the test runs
10:59:50	gibbon_	very fine
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11:23:34	mt	Are there any common problems that could arise from sending stereo interleaved pcm samples to pcmbuf_insert ?
11:27:33	gibbon_	petur: if the build system is in active development... is there a mechanism, that updates the rbclient and runclient by itself?
11:27:53	GodEater	gibbon_: yes
11:28:01	GodEater	the master server can send updates to the clients
11:28:03	*	petur slow
11:28:16	GodEater	in early developments it even managed to send downgrades :)
11:28:25	petur	:)
11:28:27	gibbon_	GodEater: so there is no need to pull these two files from svn? :)
11:28:40	petur	gibbon_: only the first time
11:28:40	GodEater	not continually, no
11:28:44	GodEater	you'll need them the first time
11:28:48	gibbon_	ok...
11:29:05	gibbon_	then this server will join the test run in the next few hours...
11:29:14	GodEater	great :)
11:29:17	gibbon_	its a virtual machine, but it might be fast enough
11:29:32	mt	Is the debug build for e200 broken ?
11:29:33	gibbon_	has its very own 3Ghz Xeon Core
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11:30:42	elemakil	hellu guys
11:31:33	elemakil	I've got a question concerning the hardware compatability of rockbox
11:31:56	elemakil	I would love to use the apple iPod camera connector with my rockboyed ipod
11:32:08	elemakil	do you happen to know whether this is possible?
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11:34:35	GodEater	elemakil: did you check the IpodAccessories page in the wiki ?
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11:37:22	elemakil	yep
11:37:34	elemakil	there's no entry concerning this little gadget
11:38:05	Torne	No, it won't be supported.
11:38:10	Torne	but, it is an interesting idea :)
11:38:19	Torne	I'm very curious as to exactly what hardware is inside that thing
11:38:30	elemakil	I'm thinking about installing rockbox on my old iPod because there is a mod to use a rockboxed iPod as a intervall timed remote release on DSLR cameras
11:38:48	Torne	You would be able to use the photo import device by dual booting back to the Apple firmware
11:38:49	elemakil	yea and to expand the usability I thought about using the iPod as a sort of imagetank
11:38:58	elemakil	that is possible?
11:39:15	Torne	Yes, you can choose whether to boot rockbox or the original firmware when you power on
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11:39:28	elemakil	holy crap, now I'm getting really excited about this project..!
11:40:01	*	Torne is very interested to see one of these camera connector devices now though, didn't know it existed before.
11:40:24	elemakil	so using that option I boot into the apple OS when using it as a image tank and later to listen to musik and use it as a remote I simply switch to rockbox?
11:40:30	Torne	yes
11:40:43	Grahack	elemakil: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5277 there are explanations about the way to have camera connector support in the comments
11:41:32	Grahack	but you'll have to know how to code it !
11:41:43	Torne	Ohhhhh, it's exposing the host controller on the PP?
11:41:47	Torne	that is awesome
11:41:49	Torne	and i want one
11:43:04	elemakil	well, I'm not that much of a coder so I gues I'll stick to the dual boot solution until someone with more knowledge implements this as a feature into rockbox
11:43:27	elemakil	but I'd be glad to beta test anything related to the cmaera connector
11:44:05	Torne	do we know anything at all about the PP host controller?
11:44:47	elemakil	from what I'Ve heard apples software solution is kinda crappy as you're not able to view the pictures you're downloading and after finishing that you're still not able to view certain file formats (among them the raw file types)
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11:57:08	CIA-69	New commit by unhelpful (r21612): Core JPEG IDCT8 optimizations for ARMv5+, small optimizations for ARMv4.
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12:10:22	gibbon_	GodEater: i will contribute this system until further notice... i have to evaluate the network traffic, caused by the system on a daily basis and calculate a bit
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12:11:37	GodEater	gibbon_: sure, understood
12:11:45	GodEater	the system is resilient for people dropping in and out
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12:12:28	mt	Did anyone try compiling a debug build for a non-SH7034 target ?
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12:14:00	funman	i did that some time ago, i'm not sure everything built
12:14:07	gibbon_	GodEater: fine...
12:15:08	mt	funman: debug() and debug_init() aren't defined for non-SH targets , so the debug build is broken.
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12:17:24	gibbon_	system should "appear" in any way it may in the build system
12:17:32	gibbon_	about now... ;)
12:17:51	funman	mt: it's conditional on DEBUG && ((CONFIG_CPU == SH7034) \|\| defined(HAVE_GDB_API))
12:18:10	funman	the call to debug_init() in main.c should be conditional
12:18:54	funman	or the block under #ifdef HAVE_GDB_API should be under #else /* CONFIG_CPU != SH7034 */
12:19:16	funman	not for get_api_function though
12:19:43	funman	hm ..
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12:26:52	funman	mt: ^^^^^^^
12:27:11	gibbon_	GodEater: so i get it, there is no need for shell access anymore?
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12:28:01	mt	funman: Just built, but thanks :P
12:28:13	GodEater	gibbon_: correct
12:28:56	gibbon_	ok...
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13:23:45	gibbon_	GodEater: sorry to bother you again... how exactly are the builds uploaded?
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13:42:19	chshrcat	kugel: what was it? sorry, i had some kind of irc problem from work...
13:42:37	kugel	what was what?
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13:45:57	petur	gibbon_: automatically...
13:46:56	chshrcat	<kugel>[18:22:19] +Unhelpful: ping <- what was it that you were pinging me about?
13:48:17	kugel	you're Unhelpful?
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13:48:30	kugel	ah, I see that now
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13:49:21	webguest18	Could iPod Touch 2nd Generation support be added as they are significantly better than the other currently supported devices?
13:49:33	petur	no
13:49:42	petur	apple encrypted the firmware
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13:51:11	kugel	http://pastie.org/531932
13:51:37	kugel	Unhelpful: ^
13:52:02	kugel	that's going to wps from pf/rfa
13:52:16	kugel	I also thought about using exit() in pf, what do you think?
13:52:24	webguest18	That is mean - why doesn't Apple help more. As the wide variety of DRM just doesn't help then making it impossible to use applications on better platforms (namely linux). They need to wise up and make it more possible to use with unix platforms (given that Mac OS X is based on Unix).
13:53:14	petur	webguest18: go talk to Apple, then you'll understand that they only care about selling, not being a nice company...
13:53:34	webguest18	However music players could be written as a native application for the iPod touch as there is no longer any NDA on creating applications for this device.
13:54:11	petur	feel free to do so...
13:54:41	Unhelpful	kugel: that should be fine, provided that setjmp works on all targets?
13:55:19	kugel	not on SH
13:55:34	webguest18	I don't have a mac as their toolkit for software development only works on this system.
13:55:41	kugel	but I think that's mainly because Lear added it for OGG, ie swcodec, ie not for any sh target
13:55:51	kugel	I think there's a implementation
13:57:34	Unhelpful	PF doesn't really nest calls all that deeply, though. is passing the value back up really so bad?
13:57:45	webguest18	Wouldn't it make them sell more of those devices if they worked also in Linux, Mac OS X and Windows?
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13:58:53	kugel	Unhelpful: not at all (and the patch doesn't use exit())
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14:01:20	Torne	webguest18: we really don't know why apple do the things they do :)
14:03:41	kugel	Unhelpful: http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/newlib/libc/machine/sh/setjmp.S?rev=1.2&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=src
14:08:21	webguest18	Money talks doesn't what if people were to buy the device (if Apple were to add support for Linux)?
14:10:06	Unhelpful	kugel: i think that on ARM at least we could make "exit" a good deal lighter -
14:11:24	Unhelpful	basically save the value of lr in exit setup, and the values of any registers that must not be clobbered, and then return directly from anywhere by loading a return value, the stored register values, and the stored lr value into pc
14:12:07	Unhelpful	similar solutions should be possible on other targets... we may have to fake it a bit on sim, or just use host platform setjmp/longjmp there.
14:12:09	Torne	is that really much less effort than what setjmp/longjmp do anyway?
14:12:28	Torne	since those are both one instruction on ARM anyway, no?
14:12:56	webguest18	The shake to shuffle really is something.
14:13:34	Unhelpful	Torne: are they? using longjmp for exit emulation means trapping the setjmp return value. this would allow exit to return "from" plugin_start directly.
14:13:42	Torne	well, ok
14:13:44	kugel	Unhelpful: isn't that what the code is already doing?
14:13:46	Torne	but that's a couple o finsructions' effort
14:14:03	Torne	i doubt it's actually lighter than having the setup for exit do it
14:14:12	Torne	just putitng the instructions in a different place, no?
14:15:01	kugel	Unhelpful: I think we don't need to touch this tiny bit of code
14:15:17	Torne	Unhelpful: also you still have issues with callee-saved registers..
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14:15:32	Torne	if plugin_start has pushed some caller registers to the stack..
14:15:52	Torne	the only way to make it lighter i can see would be to have the plugin launcher save its context itself
14:16:00	Torne	such that the plugin has no setup at all and can just call exit() wheneve rit wants
14:16:10	Torne	but again i think that's just moving bytes around
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14:16:49	Unhelpful	hrm... true. it would be awfully difficult in C to save the register values before gcc touches any of them... probably impossible.
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14:17:09	Torne	i think the only way to improve it is do it in the plugin launcher
14:17:14	Torne	but then that's a binsize increase for core
14:17:18	Torne	at the cost of making plugins slightly smaller
14:17:25	Torne	which is probbaly not a good tradeoff
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14:22:08	kugel	I don't think it's worth it anyway. setjmp/longjmp is very little code
14:22:25	kugel	I don't think it's worth it anyway. setjmp/longjmp is very little code
14:22:31	kugel	j
14:22:35	kugel	Unhelpful: it would be nice if you describe "optimisations" a bit more in commit messages
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14:25:35	elemakil	is it possible to put the rockbox simulator for the iPod into USB mode? you know like I had plugged it into the pc via USB.
14:26:16	kugel	hit u
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14:52:56	kugel	Unhelpful: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10404
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15:26:57	Torne	hi.
15:27:09	GodEater	did you say you had IDA ?
15:27:15	GodEater	or access to it ?
15:27:18	Torne	at home, yes
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15:40:09	gibbon_	petur: thanks, but i mean more technically speaking... through the control connection? http? rsync?
15:40:29	petur	I think an upload script on the buildserver (http)
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15:41:13	GodEater	curl over http
15:41:15	Torne	does anyone have a beast handy?
15:41:22	GodEater	@gibbon
15:41:23	Torne	does it have the option to dump the rom like some of the other players do?
15:41:42	*	GodEater pokes AlexP
15:41:48	Torne	if so could someone dump one for me? :) i can't get the beast linuxstb lent me to charge
15:42:03	Torne	want to compare it to the eboot.bin from the firmware update
15:42:07	GodEater	your wallcharger wasn't up to it huh ?
15:42:22	Torne	GodEater: couldn't find the bloody thing, i have too much General Electronics Tat in my spare room
15:42:33	Torne	there's no real storage space in my flat, just have piles of boxes
15:42:47	Torne	none of my single functoin chargers have the right plug for it
15:43:32	evilnick	Torne: Do you have a Gigabeat F? If so, the chargers are interchangable (afaik)
15:43:39	Torne	no
15:43:47	GodEater	Torne has an ipod.
15:43:52	Torne	yah :)
15:43:57	GodEater	and he's been loaned linuxstb's beast
15:44:04	Torne	it's too knackered to charge from usb
15:44:04	GodEater	he hasn't caught Rockbox developer syndrome yet
15:44:12	*	evilnick gives it time
15:44:16	*	GodEater does too
15:44:22	Torne	heh, i prefer to collect devices with accessible test ports
15:44:32	GodEater	he'll have nineteen and half daps before too long
15:47:48	gibbon_	GodEater: thanks a lot.
15:47:58	GodEater	gibbon_: pleasure :)
15:48:52	gibbon_	so this should have no problem with NAT.
15:49:04	GodEater	correct
15:49:11	GodEater	which is another aim of the exercise
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16:06:42	webguest47	Has anyone here heard of the Beagleboard and/or OpenPandora? I'm wondering what the chances are of someone porting RB to it sometime in the future....
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16:23:57	AlexP_	Torne: I can look tonight if you still need it then
16:24:04	Torne	AlexP_: yeah it's no rush
16:24:07	Torne	that'd be very helpful
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16:24:26	AlexP_	will do
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16:30:14	GodEater	for those not following, we now have a pretty decent IDA disassembly of the Nano 2G boot room.
16:30:22	GodEater	s/room/rom
16:30:46	GodEater	ARM experts welcome to take a peek at it
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16:40:19	koniu_	ello
16:40:43	koniu_	i'm trying to install grub on video ipod w/ rockbox, is that even possible? :)
16:41:16	scorche	koniu_: no...
16:41:25	evilnick	koniu_: Best check with iPodlinux, this channel is for support with Rockbox only
16:42:30	koniu_	yea, except i dont want no linux on my ipod - just rockbox - but i was wondering if perhaps someone managed to get something like that going
16:42:58	GodEater	koniu_: so what do you want grub for ?
16:43:00	evilnick	So if you only want Rockbox, why the need for grub>
16:44:28	koniu_	i'm trying to put sysresccd on the filesystem (fat) and enabling booting PCs off of it. have i dreamt up too much? :)
16:45:13	GodEater	it has nothing to do with rockbox one way or the other
16:45:55	koniu_	well i see a vague connection technically, but honestly i came here cause i figured that most ipod-hackers would be here. forgot about ipodlinux
16:46:05	evilnick	If you set your PC to boot from the USB drive (i.e. the iPod) then you don't need grub on the iPod, AFAIK.
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16:46:37	koniu_	yeah, i could do it via syslinux but that sucks, usb device with grub is just useful for recovery
16:46:54	rasher	At any rate, not Rockbox related.
16:47:44	koniu_	sorry guys but i would've never imagined that something as cool as rockbox would have such a nazi irc channel
16:48:16	GodEater	godwin's!
16:48:28	GodEater	took only 7 posts
16:49:45	evilnick	koniu_: Have you read the topic? This channel is logged so that the developers can see what has happened without having to wade through pages of off-topic chat.
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16:51:57	koniu_	i really dont see how its off-topic, u just have no clue how to do it and instead trying to prove that its unrelated/useless. its really sad. and even worse, now i don't know eg. how to treat scorche's response.
16:52:20	koniu_	once again it is ON-topic - booting rockbox with grub off a rockbox-supported device wtf...
16:52:22	scorche	eh?
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16:52:54	koniu_	scorche: you say it's impossible, but they make me realize that this could mean many things :P
16:53:23	saratoga_	koniu_: this is channel is for rockbox development, cool projects and such that you want to talk about can go on your blog
16:54:14	scorche	koniu_: it is impossible as things are currently...as for in the future, i really couldnt say much about it as i dont know the internals of grub, but either way, i would imagine it would take a lot of tweaking...
16:54:53	scorche	koniu_: as they say though, this channel is for the development of rockbox and not "things that interact with rockbox"....we do have an off-topic channel though that you cna discuss this in further if you wish though
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16:55:40	koniu_	from the guidelines page says it's development/support page, i believe this is rockbox-related support question
16:55:44	koniu_	anyway
16:56:04	koniu_	i got my answer and i don't want to disturb your tight privacy any longer
16:56:30	scorche	koniu_: and i am telling you that it is not, but you are free to chat about it in another channel we have if you wish...
16:56:30	rasher	It is not. You can install grub on any hard drive. Rockbox doesn't enter into it.
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16:57:50	koniu_	uh, you must've had really bad experiences if you have this attitude. sieg heil and keep it real
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16:58:55	GodEater	not quite as eloquent as the chap from #ipodlinux yesterday
16:58:59	GodEater	but the heat must be getting to people
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17:01:00	saratoga_	is the linux4nano mailing list down?
17:01:33	GodEater	don't think so
17:01:40	GodEater	http://logs.clustur.com/%23linux4nano-dev/
17:01:48	GodEater	oops
17:01:51	GodEater	that's the irc logs
17:01:52	GodEater	silly me
17:02:18	saratoga_	did they figure out if they got the real ROM contents?
17:02:29	GodEater	they believe so
17:02:39	GodEater	you can come join us in #linux4nano-dev for details
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17:03:02	GodEater	http://www.felixbruns.de/tmp/nano/ida.asm <−− disassembly
17:03:54	saratoga_	wow not much code
17:04:00	saratoga_	if its the real deal shouldn't be too hard to understand
17:04:27	n00b81	Actually, there's a ton :)
17:04:40	GodEater	n00b81: there's more we don't have ?
17:05:01	n00b81	hmm
17:05:11	n00b81	Nope, just realized most of the file is 0xFFs :P
17:05:28	saratoga_	yeah the actual code is probably only 4000 lines long
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17:05:40	n00b81	yup
17:06:11	saratoga_	and i assume a lot of that is libary functions that don't need to be looked at carefully
17:06:39	saratoga_	also these IDA dumps are a lot nicer then objdump
17:06:49	GodEater	yes, fxb dumped this one
17:06:54	GodEater	you can probably tell from the URL ;)
17:07:11	GodEater	Torne is going to go over it again tonight too
17:07:16	GodEater	see if he can annotate it a bit more
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17:08:12	funman	the code is small enough to be 'quickly' understood
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17:15:39	notlistening	rasher, I have implemented wav fprmat, rate, volume and pitch control for SAPI, I can implement them into the configure script or leave it at the basic level of choosing a voice,what do you think?
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18:48:26	mt	In sending pcmbuf_insert a buffer of interleaved stereo data, what could cause a data abort ??
18:50:04	JdGordon\|	unalligned acces maybe?
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18:50:52	bertrik	BTW, is the internal format used for pcm in rockbox always the same?
18:50:59	funman	mt: look at fs#10296 if you have an arm CPU with MPU/MMU
18:51:05	bertrik	i.e. 16-bit stereo
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18:54:57	mt	funman: thanks.
18:55:59	bertrik	funman, I wrote a pcm/dma framework for the s5l8700, your pcm/dma code from the as3525 helped a lot
18:56:26	funman	iirc you helped writing/debugging it, so thanks you ;)
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18:57:06	bertrik	I still wonder what the 'best' of pausing pcm is, stop dma from sending more data, or stop pcm from asking more data
18:58:49	funman	you could do both, starting with DMA ?
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19:00:41	bertrik	I think I'll have to experiment a bit, the docs don't make it clear whether DMA can be paused or just aborted
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19:03:40	funman	usually you would abort the current transfer, and PCM would start this transfer again when resumed
19:05:35	bertrik	the DMA controller in the s5l8700 seems to be a lot simpler to use than the one in the as3525, for example it has a 32-bit dma-length register
19:06:01	funman	how much channels are available?
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19:07:56	bertrik	4 channels, but only 1 channel can be active at the same time as far as I understand, and not every channel can reach every peripheral
19:08:12	funman	i suppose they have priorities then?
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19:08:53	bertrik	yes
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19:09:55	funman	SD/PCM/REC/LCD : just what you need ;)
19:10:31	funman	for choosing the right priority you need to measure latency and transfer sizes for each of them
19:11:02	funman	pcm/rec at 44.1kHz stereo : 176kBps
19:11:11	bertrik	There is a FIFO in the IIS controller, but there is no mention how deep it is
19:11:20	funman	LCD : 77kBp screen update
19:11:51	funman	sd prio could be lower than PCM since compressed audio is always smaller
19:12:22	funman	I think I would use LCD > PCM > REC > SD
19:13:00	funman	bertrik: perhaps you can find the size from the OF. Is the transfer width specified like in AMS' PL081 controller ?
19:13:29	gevaerts	Bagder: you seem to have diskspace problems
19:13:37	bertrik	I can't fully choose the priorities, IIS out is always highest for example
19:14:23	bertrik	funman, yes I can configure the transfer size (1, 2, 4 bytes) and the burst len (up to 8 words)
19:15:10	bertrik	I think I'll just start with 4 bytes transfer (2x16 bit audio) and burst len 1
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19:16:09	bertrik	just seeing DMA interrupts at the expected rate would be a great start
19:16:28	bertrik	then first sound out should just be a small step
19:17:06	bertrik	a problem is that the meizus can't read from the flash disk yet, so it has to be done from the boot loader
19:18:49	Ubuntuxer	I commit recently a patch and in the devel build details ocurred some problems; what's the meaning of ld?
19:19:13	funman	it's the linker
19:19:18	gevaerts	Ubuntuxer: click on it, and you'll get the full log
19:19:29	gevaerts	In this case, it's Bagder's server running out of space
19:19:38	Ubuntuxer	ok, good
19:19:50	Ubuntuxer	I thought I had done something wrong
19:19:52	gevaerts	well, not entirely good ;)
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19:21:34	funman	aaron424: some people with a fuzev2 started hacking on it, but atm only the dualboot works (and it's not in svn), no lcd yet
19:22:14	aaron424	so its going to be a while...
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19:22:56	funman	probably, although clipv2 are similar to fuzev2, so if the clipv2 port progresses this might attract hackers with a fuzev2
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19:23:54	aaron424	thats good
19:25:33	funman	http://github.com/ecrips/Rockbox-FuzeV2/commits/fuzev2/ (not active since June 10th)
19:26:18	aaron424	so not too much intrest
19:27:16	bertrik	so get hacking!
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19:29:16	aaron424	yep!
19:29:58	aaron424	got to start working on it, Ill do what I can without knowing C
19:30:16	saratoga_	i don't think you can do anything if you can't program
19:30:38	saratoga_	so better start with a c text book
19:31:21	aaron424	Hopefully ill find time to learn it then
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19:41:22	amiconn	Unhelpful: Maybe you could shuffle the constants around so that you could exploit smuld(x), smusd(x), smlad(x) and smlsd(x) on armv6?
19:43:44	porio	Hello
19:43:59	porio	I need some help compiling the bootloader for the Sansa Clip
19:44:26	porio	The BL I have compiled work fine with rockbox but can not boot to the OF
19:45:14	porio	Other bootloaders that I have got from somewhere else (already compiled) can boot to the OF
19:45:50	saratoga_	porio: then your clip is bricked I think
19:46:01	porio	No it's not
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19:46:14	porio	If I plug it to the PC the OF is launched
19:46:26	porio	and then I can go back to other bootloader
19:46:44	saratoga_	then what is the problem
19:46:49	porio	the ONswitch+home button thing just doesn't work
19:47:01	saratoga_	i don't think its supposed to
19:47:27	porio	?? That's the way it used to work
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19:47:52	saratoga_	i think its left to get to the OF
19:48:03	porio	let me see...
19:48:30	porio	You're right!!
19:48:40	porio	But I swear I did it before with home
19:48:50	porio	thanks!!
19:49:49	funman	yes it was changed some time ago
19:51:59	porio	thanks funman.
19:52:02	saratoga_	funman: have there been any further reports of disk corruption?
19:52:33	funman	no only lock ups afaik
19:55:31	saratoga_	maybe update the wiki then?
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20:01:05	funman	no report doesn't mean no bug, and the deadlocks still show a bug
20:01:36	funman	i prefer to wait a bit more
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20:04:36	AlexP_	Torne: What was I looking up?
20:06:12	GodEater	whether you could dump the flash
20:06:14	GodEater	from the debug menu
20:07:42	AlexP_	nope
20:08:01	AlexP_	Only thing you can dump is the ATA identify info
20:08:07	AlexP_	and the screen :)
20:08:57	GodEater	well that was all you were looking for
20:08:58	GodEater	:D
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20:16:45	webguest0001	How feasible would an SDL port for Rockbox be? I'm starting an attempt to port some SDL apps (i.e. DOSBox and ScummVM), and it just occurred to me that having a native SDL would greatly ease porting efforts. Has this been discussed before?
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20:17:53	gevaerts	webguest0001: I think that the fact that they're both c++ is going to be a lot more trouble than the sdl bits
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20:19:12	lee321987	Has anyone ever Rockboxed a cell phone? Think it will ever happen?
20:19:25	webguest0001	Yeah, I know that... I wish there was some kind of C++ -to C backend/converter for that, but it still wouldn't help much...
20:19:36	scorche\|sh	not quite "rockboxed", but someone ported the sim to a phone in the past
20:19:58	scorche\|sh	lee321987: though, i dont really see the sense in "rockboxing" a phone, as you would lose any phone functionality, etc
20:20:06	gevaerts	webguest0001: c++ is not impossible I think, but it would be lots of work
20:20:29	webguest0001	Anyway, what obstacles an SDL port to Rockbox would hit?
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20:21:20	webguest0001	Yeah, if only I could build g++ for a Rockbox arm target...
20:21:30	scorche\|sh	lee321987: last time i checked..
20:21:42	Torne	AlexP_: thanks anyway then :)
20:22:06	gevaerts	webguest0001: that's probably the easy bit :). Anyway, I don't think there's anything fundamental that would make sdl hard to port
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20:22:09	lee321987	What VMware product did you use to make the RB VMware image?
20:22:19	scorche\|sh	just vmware server...why?
20:23:34	Torne	AlexP_: i shall just assume i am right for now until i find evidence that i'm not then :0
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20:23:55	webguest0001	I tried to edit the Rockbox cross-compiler build script to build G++, but it got a little smart with me...
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20:25:05	Torne	getting g++ to build shouldn't be difficult but for full language support you not only need libstdc++ but also various hilarious runtime stuff like constructors and support code for exception handling
20:25:29	webguest0001	I was just about to say that... I can't type fast.
20:25:32	lee321987_	did i miss an answer?
20:25:54	*	gevaerts points lee321987_ to our wonderful logs
20:25:55	scorche\|sh	lee321987: irc logs can be found at http://www.rockbox.org/irc
20:30:31	lee321987_	scorche\|sh: About VMware −− I just wanted to build my own image.
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20:31:11	GodEater	Torne: not to mention dynamic memory allocation ;)
20:32:14	Torne	GodEater: technically no
20:32:33	Torne	well to actually match the spec, yes
20:32:40	Torne	but to be a useful implementation of C++ not necessarily
20:33:00	GodEater	how does 'new' work without dynamic memory allocation ?
20:33:04	Torne	it doesn't
20:33:15	gevaerts	GodEater: that bit is easy. The world is full of small and simple malloc implementations
20:33:16	Torne	but you can write C without malloc()
20:33:27	Torne	and thus you can write C++ without new :)
20:33:38	*	GodEater though C++ without new was pretty much C
20:33:41	Torne	you can evn manage exception support without dynamic allocatin if you accept some limits :)
20:33:41	GodEater	:)
20:34:00	Torne	symbian can throw without allocating :)
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20:34:04	Torne	(given certain caveats)
20:34:16	gevaerts	Torne: if the point is to allow porting c++ programs, no new is going to be a bit annoying
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20:34:25	*	GodEater still thinks a kernel written in C++ is a crime against nature
20:34:25	Torne	well yes.
20:35:05	webguest0001	*ell yes
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20:37:36	webguest0001	I personally hate C++ - I wish I didn't have to manually convert code to work with Rockbox...
20:38:07	webguest0001	C++ should still be "C with classes".
20:39:26	Hillshum	webguest0001: you're getting a little offtopic
20:39:34	webguest0001	sorry.
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20:41:05	webguest0001	I have nothing more to contribute to this conversation... Bye!
20:41:28	GodEater	oh but you've LOVE the crap they're spouting in there right now
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21:02:18	Hillshum	Are the AMS bootloaders available for download?
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21:18:22	LambdaCalculus37	Bagder: Ping; can you add the SA9200 to the build table?
21:18:51	gevaerts	and free up some diskspace while you're at it :)
21:19:00	GodEater	LambdaCalculus37: he's off on holiday I think
21:19:18	LambdaCalculus37	GodEater: Ahh, yes, that's right. He mentioned that on his Twitter feed.
21:19:25	LambdaCalculus37	Who can add to the build table, then?
21:19:27	gevaerts	in that case I guess we need Zagor to fix things
21:19:32	*	LambdaCalculus37 looks to Zagor
21:19:45	*	gevaerts looks for Zagor :)
21:20:20	*	LambdaCalculus37 casts a Spell of Summon Zagor
21:20:47	*	GodEater points out LambdaCalculus37 hasn't got all the material components to hand
21:21:15	GodEater	beer, coffee and chocolate are all essential
21:22:01	LambdaCalculus37	And a bike. ;)
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21:23:39	Blue_Dude	Hi. I spent a fairish amount of time this week moving math routines into a single file. Could someone have a look? FS #10400 Thanks.
21:24:41	saratoga_	Hillshum: they are not available from us in compiled form, but maybe someone hosts a third party one
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21:59:24	rasher	notlistening: I'd say you should just pick sensible defaults for wav format and rate. And maybe volume as well (if possible - I don't know how uniform voices tend to be in volume). We encode the clips anyway. And then add another question for pitch (and volume if needed) (only if that tts engine is picked)
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22:18:18	funman	Hillshum: I think we should release AMS bootloaders when we think rockbox is stable enough
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22:25:17	Bagder	there's a whole range of new builds to add to the table
22:25:34	Bagder	but I've been hoping to get the new system in place first, then add the new builds
22:25:41	Bagder	but perhaps that's a bit too optimistic
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22:26:15	Zagor	Bagder: is there more than sim builds todo?
22:26:44	Bagder	todo? sim builds work fine already,don't they?
22:27:04	Zagor	I mean the 32/64-bit issue
22:27:34	gevaerts	that's not present functionality in the current system, so I wouldn't consider it a blocker
22:27:37	Bagder	ah yes but that's for uploading sims, something we don't do in the current system anyway
22:27:46	Zagor	ah
22:28:07	Bagder	the primary things left on the server side is proper integration with doing a build table etc
22:28:44	Zagor	ok
22:29:10	Bagder	I've added support for the build system to run external scripts at two points
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22:29:30	Bagder	which should be fine to do some of it
22:30:35	Bagder	or even most actually
22:31:02	rasher	Will be neat if you manage making the results appear as they come in
22:31:23	Bagder	yeah, that should be fairly "simple" now really
22:31:37	Mikachu	with the 3d spinning effect available in ff3.5
22:31:42	Bagder	as we'll have N complete build logs to do cells with
22:32:12	Zagor	table cell fill-in without page reload is rather tricky
22:32:12	Bagder	the table script won't even need a lot of adjustment
22:32:26	Bagder	ah right, it will take a reload
22:32:47	*	Bagder knows no magic javascripts etc anyway
22:32:48	funman	i thought today i could try if as3525 drivers work on clipv2 by writing rockbox.sansa instead of our bootloader into the OF file
22:33:17	Zagor	html5 can do it, but I don't want to go there yet
22:35:41	*	GodEater presumes if we delved into jQuery of ExtJs we could do it
22:35:45	GodEater	but it sounds like a lot of work
22:35:53	GodEater	s/of/or
22:36:56	rasher	It'd be fairly simple to do a simple "which results are available" xmlhttpreq I imagine
22:37:10	*	GodEater thinks rasher just volunteered
22:37:25	rasher	Problem is, the server end will be in perl, I bet :\|
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22:46:52	Zagor	rasher, GodEater: yeah a polling solution is easy. but polling is ugly.
22:47:08	*	rasher shrugs
22:47:19	rasher	as long as you're smart about it, it's practically free
22:47:21	Zagor	though I suppose not terribly many people are keeping that page up that it matters much
22:47:24	rasher	It's not like a lot of people watch that page
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22:48:52	rasher	Cheaper than everyone constantly refreshing the page (which, knowing some people, will happen)
22:49:22	Zagor	true
22:49:23	*	funman does
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22:50:39	*	JdGordon\| looks around..... what wierds would refresh the build page constanstly?
22:50:40	JdGordon\|	:p
22:50:47	JdGordon\|	weirdos*
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22:57:08	amiconn	Zagor: Shouldn't it be possible to fill in table cells with javascript dom manipulation?
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22:58:49	rasher	I think we all agree it's perfectly possible. But no one wants to do it
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22:58:57	Silicium	hi there
22:59:12	Hillshum	rasher: MrSomeone does
22:59:17	GodEater	hahaha
22:59:21	GodEater	he gets all the best jobs
22:59:26	Silicium	is there anyone developing for the Cowon D2?
22:59:34	Silicium	i need to get a overview about it
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22:59:47	Silicium	so i want to fix some bux
22:59:58	Silicium	but iam not so familiar with rockbox
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23:00:07	GodEater	Silicium: shotofadds is the developer who's most active on it
23:00:13	GodEater	he's very rarely here though
23:00:19	Silicium	ok :)
23:00:26	GodEater	you're better of commenting in the forum thread
23:00:33	Silicium	okay
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23:01:07	Hillshum	and reading http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers
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23:02:20	Silicium	ok thx
23:02:39	Silicium	webmind: you here? cool :D
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23:04:12	*	bluebrother wonders what he missed that could need javascript
23:04:28	Mikachu	bluebrother: ajax for the build page
23:05:29	bluebrother	a new build page or in general?
23:05:31	webmind	Silicium, yes?
23:05:44	Hillshum	funman: if you mean by "release" put binaries online, then we've already released the main builds
23:05:52	Mikachu	bluebrother: for showing each build as they are completed, rather than waiting for all of them
23:06:41	bluebrother	nice idea. Someone should do that ;-)
23:06:44	funman	Hillshum: i mean we need to be sure storage works properly
23:07:00	funman	there's no binaries available from rockbox.org except from the current builds?
23:07:30	Hillshum	hmm. Are the current build bootloaders available?
23:07:41	bluebrother	Hillshum: no, and they never were.
23:08:13	rasher	Hillshum: that would be actively dangerous (for some targets, for other targets it would be wildly stupid)
23:08:15	bluebrother	bootloaders have always been available as releases only. At least since a couple of years.
23:08:54	Hillshum	funman: I'm not sure.
23:09:34	notlistening	rasher, Thanks for comming back to me on that ;)
23:09:41	funman	the Sansa AMS are still "in development", so not supported as of today
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23:23:21	Xqtftqx	Anybody know what recovery.bin for the gigabeat s is for?
23:24:39	toffe82_	Xqtftqx: I think it is the program when nothing is working and when the player goes in recovery mode
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23:25:25	Xqtftqx	So, replacing it with a custom bootloader and Doing (Right+Back? or whatever) would run the custom bootloader?
23:25:33	Silicium	argh
23:25:56	Silicium	why the dev thread is full of user questions?
23:26:10	toffe82_	Xqtftqx: I am not sure of this, wha tdo you want to do exactly ?
23:26:11	Silicium	42 pages full of trash -.-
23:26:25	Xqtftqx	toffe82_: Just thinking
23:26:33	Hillshum	Silicium: some of them should probably be deleted
23:26:58	Silicium	or moved into a ~-user thread
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23:27:35	Silicium	is there a patching log?
23:28:04	Silicium	iam nut sure if this patch is applied:
23:28:05	Silicium	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9590?string=D2
23:28:34	Silicium	cause i already have the problem
23:28:40	Llorean	If the patch is still open, it probably isn't applied.
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23:28:49	Silicium	ok
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23:30:29	rasher	Speak of the devil
23:30:30	Mikachu	it says in the last message that the patch is obsolete
23:30:44	shotofadds	evening Silicium ;-)
23:30:51	shotofadds	what are you hoping to achieve?
23:31:30	Silicium	hey :)
23:31:48	Silicium	i got a D2+ 3 weeks ago
23:32:15	Silicium	and first i done, is using rockbox with with the alternate bootloader (not flashed=
23:32:43	Silicium	so there are some bugs and i try to solve
23:33:00	shotofadds	I found the touchscreen accuracy was worse with that patch. I committed some small parts of it that partly improved accuracy, but there is still work to be done.
23:33:18	Silicium	iam not really familiar with rockbox and coding of embedded stuff like this but it is really interesting, so i want to try
23:33:26	shotofadds	also it does nasty things like floating point arithmetic, so I think it could be done better
23:33:48	shotofadds	what do you mean by "the alternate bootloader (not flashed)"?
23:34:02	Silicium	i havent flashed rockbox
23:34:13	Silicium	iam loading from "filesytem"
23:34:24	shotofadds	using tcctool?
23:34:33	Silicium	nah
23:34:52	shotofadds	you must have flashed the bootloader at least. that's part of rockbox already.
23:34:57	Silicium	there was a tutorial in a forum, flashing the alternate bootloader whitout tcctool
23:35:20	shotofadds	ah yes, things start getting confusing when alternate tutorials come into it...
23:35:33	Silicium	so no problem
23:35:49	Silicium	i have the bootloader and i load the firmware from dataflash
23:35:53	shotofadds	btw. there is only one bootloader. what you flashed was a D2+ firmware which has been patched with the Rockbox bootloader
23:36:13	shotofadds	which bugs do you want to fix, apart from the touchscreen accuracy?
23:36:45	Silicium	first i think about two usability problems
23:36:59	Silicium	first is an error if open every music-file
23:37:19	shotofadds	error opening resume file?
23:37:34	Silicium	second
23:37:47	shotofadds	that's because the filesystem is read only. nothing I/you can do about it right now
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23:38:02	Silicium	error accessing playlist control file
23:38:07	shotofadds	yes, that's the one
23:38:14	Silicium	argh ok
23:38:45	Silicium	the other one was, to save config files, but it is obsolete now :D
23:38:49	shotofadds	actually, you could "fix" it by running the Rockbox simulator on a PC, then copying the playlist_control file to your D2
23:39:08	shotofadds	did you read the wiki page that lists known bugs / features to be implemented?
23:39:12	Silicium	ok great
23:39:13	shotofadds	that lists both problems...
23:39:25	Silicium	then another thing
23:39:31	Silicium	the touchscreen fnord
23:39:53	Silicium	do you know the original D2 firmware?
23:40:09	shotofadds	what about it?
23:40:29	Silicium	so in the play mode you ca tap on the screen and a "window" will popping up
23:40:35	Silicium	with play, forward, back etc...
23:40:44	Silicium	maybe this would be nice
23:41:19	Silicium	but i have no idea how i should done this, so i first want to go familiar with the firmware :D
23:41:40	Silicium	shotofadds: what do you think, i can do for the D2 Build?
23:41:53	shotofadds	I believe someone is working a 'real' touchscreen WPS already (JdGordon\|?)
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23:42:09	shotofadds	Silicium: work on the things that bother you the most ;-)
23:42:10	Silicium	shotofadds: oh, really cool
23:42:25	Silicium	shotofadds: the touchscreen fuckup :D
23:42:49	Silicium	and equalizer
23:42:58	Silicium	whats the problem with this?
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23:43:49	shotofadds	Silicium: the graphical EQ doesn't really work with the touchscreen very well...
23:44:01	Silicium	ok, its a touchscreen problem
23:44:06	Silicium	i hate my life
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23:44:30	shotofadds	maybe you could look at improving the keymap for the EQ screen?
23:44:51	stripwax	GodEater - hey, thanks for posting the nano disassesmbly
23:45:23	Silicium	shotofadds: ok
23:45:33	shotofadds	Silicium: have a look at apps/keymaps/keymap-touchscreen.c and apps/keymaps/keymap-cowond2.c
23:45:55	shotofadds	if you make any improvements, post them as a patch on the tracker
23:46:23	Silicium	ok
23:47:31	stripwax	did anyone have any thought on my change to playlist_viewer.c ? or anyone object if I just commit? http://pastebin.com/m5a7560e9
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23:48:01	stripwax	this to fix the behaviour when you delete tracks / and fix resume behaviour when you delete all tracks from playlist
23:48:10	Silicium	shotofadds: where i should change the eq keymap?
23:48:21	Mikachu	the last hunk should definitely be in at least
23:48:56	Zagor	Bagder: who makes the current output/index.html?
23:49:16	stripwax	I'll also commit the playlist patch from fs#7967, again if I hear no objections..
23:49:56	JdGordon\|	I OBJECT!
23:50:10	Silicium	JdGordon\|:
23:50:29	Silicium	:) i hear about a touchscreen driver for the D2
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23:50:41	stripwax	JdGordon - excellent, got time to discuss?
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23:51:12	shotofadds	Silicium: he's done some work on touchscreen support generally, not specifically the d2
23:51:22	Silicium	ok
23:51:23	JdGordon\|	I dont really object... its late afternoon, im on a caffeenee trip, and like being annoying :p
23:51:47	gevaerts	JdGordon\|: you annoying? Surely not! :P
23:52:13	shotofadds	Silicium: I don't really know about the EQ keymap. it seems an odd case. try seeing how it's done in the keymap files for other targets :/
23:52:36	stripwax	heh :) ok well this will be my first commit of a patch (in that FS#) that I didn't write myself - anything to note other than adding the author to Credits if not already there?
23:52:42	JdGordon\|	arg, seems I missed a highlight before.... yes I've done some work on proper touchscreen support in the WPS... I cant remember what the state of it is thouhg
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23:52:56	Llorean	shotofadds: I'm pretty sure the EQ can be managed with four directions, select, and cancel.
23:53:24	Llorean	One axis selects which band, the other axis changes the value, the select button toggles Gain / Frequency / Q, and cancel leaves the EQ screen.
23:53:53	Silicium	shotofadds: ok i try to find out :)
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23:56:36	shotofadds	Llorean: yeah, in theory it's easy. I'm not sure what the current situation is in the keymap file, since button_context_eq is currently empty. yet the screen is already partially controllable using the 4 directions/select... is it re-using the general settings context?
23:57:06	safetydan	I'm really surprised the EQ interface works at all on touch screen, given that it was built pretty much for a H120
23:57:47	JdGordon\|	shotofadds: that sounds right
23:57:58	JdGordon\|	assuming it puts the touchscreen in 3x3 mode

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