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| 00:05:21 | webguest04 | What is the supported text on rockbox, like can I have html files render on the ipod I have rockbox on |
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| 00:06:00 | linuxstb | webguest04: No, just plain text. |
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| 00:07:31 | webguest04 | then do you know how I will be able to save the bus schedule on my ipod |
| 00:07:42 | webguest04 | its on www.riderta.com |
| 00:07:46 | webguest04 | They come in PDF |
| 00:08:05 | linuxstb | Rockbox has quite a nice jpeg viewer, so you could maybe use that. |
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| 00:08:14 | funman | saratoga: how can we measure how much current the Sansa AMS draw from the battery ? |
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| 00:08:47 | amiconn | Cut a wire and measure? |
| 00:09:09 | funman | i was hoping a solution only involving software exists |
| 00:10:30 | funman | we can only measure the battery voltage I think |
| 00:10:42 | funman | not the electric current |
| 00:10:48 | amiconn | A software solution would only be possible if the target has the necessary hardware to measure current |
| 00:12:13 | amiconn | There are certainly not many targets which have. I don't know any off the top of my head |
| 00:12:36 | webguest04 | howto pdf2jpg |
| 00:13:07 | krazykit | webguest04, ask google. |
| 00:13:20 | webguest04 | google sucked on the answer |
| 00:13:23 | robin0800 | webguest04, In linux you can use imagemagic to convert pdf to jpeg |
| 00:13:25 | webguest04 | tis why I asked here |
| 00:13:36 | webguest04 | ok |
| 00:15:21 | tmzt | or poppler-utils |
| 00:15:31 | tmzt | then pnm2jpg from pnmtools |
| 00:15:40 | webguest04 | D: |
| 00:15:52 | webguest04 | coudl I get the lay,mans way to do it. I just want to get it on here |
| 00:16:04 | funman | i thought the battery life was calculated from the battery's voltage |
| 00:16:19 | webguest04 | I mean what if I take a screenshot would would have to be the resolution |
| 00:16:21 | linuxstb | webguest04: Feel free to join #rockbox-community and ask there, but how to convert PDF to JPEG isn't a topic for this channel (it's logged). |
| 00:17:06 | webguest04 | /join |
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| 00:19:01 | uwill | Sansa c200 −− keeps freezing when trying to copy a certain folder from internal to MicroSD. So I'm about to run fsck.vfat on it. This won't harm the system partition will it? |
| 00:19:13 | tmzt | at least it's a use for png viewer, they would look horrible in jpeg |
| 00:19:25 | funman | uwill: no it won't if you run fsck.vfat on the normal partition |
| 00:19:27 | gevaerts | uwill: it won't, no |
| 00:21:16 | uwill | fsck.vfat output: "There are differences between boot sector and its backup." I chose "Copy backup to original" Result: Invalid disk format |
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| 00:24:39 | beta_ | Yeah the backup is rarely useful unless you know the main boot sector is borked |
| 00:24:45 | saratoga | funman: you likely cannot measure current via software |
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| 00:25:06 | funman | saratoga: could we make estimations with battery_bench? |
| 00:25:19 | saratoga | i can measure it for you using a DMM hooked up to the battery pack on my e200v2 |
| 00:25:21 | funman | if we know the capacity of the battery and in how much time it goes off |
| 00:25:43 | saratoga | funman: yes you can estimate it althoughh figuring the exact capacity of the battery on that particular charge can be tricky |
| 00:26:18 | saratoga | Buschel used that method for much of his PP power optimization work |
| 00:26:24 | saratoga | by doing many, many battery benches |
| 00:27:02 | funman | can the battery charge be very different between 2 charges? |
| 00:28:19 | relentless | Ok, no one in #rockbox-community Is answering my question even though they know about it for the pdf thing |
| 00:28:28 | saratoga | i think Buschel said something like +/- 15 minutes variation was normal on his ipod |
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| 00:28:40 | AlexP | relentless: You have already been told it is off-topic here. Do not ask again |
| 00:28:59 | relentless | then someone answer in there |
| 00:29:21 | Bagder | stop being a jerk |
| 00:29:24 | AlexP | relentless: Stop. Now. |
| 00:29:41 | relentless | lrn2support |
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| 00:31:12 | saratoga | funman: do you need measurements done? |
| 00:31:34 | funman | saratoga: i noticed the battery life estimation can't work on Sansa AMS because we don't have this info |
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| 00:33:10 | saratoga | funman: for that purpose it will work well enough to just figure out the runtime and divide by the battery capacity |
| 00:33:21 | saratoga | but IMO theres no sense adding this until power consumption stabilizes |
| 00:33:30 | pixelma | linuxstb: as a compromise I reverted the hunks that only contained those trailing space changes |
| 00:34:12 | saratoga | codecs aren't all that well optimized yet, the unboosted voltage is still too high, and cpu performance seems a bit lower then it should be |
| 00:34:26 | saratoga | all of these things inflate the runtime current |
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| 00:34:55 | funman | i have some ideas for better performance |
| 00:35:01 | CIA-71 | New commit by zagor (r21694): Web page support files. |
| 00:35:20 | funman | - verify that disabling the dma clocks really works because i think it's unlikely (far too much dma_retain vs dma_release calls) |
| 00:35:49 | saratoga | why was the unboosted the clock set so high anyway? |
| 00:35:53 | funman | - have the audio clocks only running when playing audio (will only help if you play games without listening music..) |
| 00:36:14 | funman | the clock must be >= pclk and pclk must be high for good performances |
| 00:36:20 | saratoga | the datasheet says we save .25mW/MHz |
| 00:36:33 | Bagder | Zagor: nice commit! |
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| 00:37:18 | Zagor | Bagder: thanks. we're getting closer. |
| 00:39:24 | JdGordon| | how did samsung get shortened to smsg? |
| 00:40:05 | Bagder | I've considered enlarging those names a bit |
| 00:40:49 | CIA-71 | New commit by mt (r21695): Adding support for rm playback. Only cook codec is supported for now and no seeking. |
| 00:40:58 | Bagder | and I spot a little flaw in the new build table |
| 00:41:20 | Bagder | it doesn't show all the changes that are in a single build round |
| 00:41:31 | Bagder | but we can work on that later on |
| 00:42:02 | bertrik | coming soonish: fm radio on meizu |
| 00:42:16 | Zagor | Bagder: yes, in case there were skipped revisions. I chose to ignore that for now. |
| 00:42:30 | Bagder | that's what I meant, yes |
| 00:43:30 | Bagder | I love the auto-update feature! |
| 00:43:58 | Zagor | yeah, it's slick |
| 00:44:12 | Mikachu | great if you ever need a small botnet |
| 00:44:25 | Zagor | Mikachu: :) |
| 00:44:31 | Bagder | sssshhhh! |
| 00:44:46 | Zagor | please don't spoil our evil plot |
| 00:45:19 | gevaerts | Mikachu: they wouldn't change the build system for that |
| 00:46:30 | bertrik | markun: there is no mysterious EEPROM device on i2c address 0x22, it's the radio :P |
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| 00:47:02 | gevaerts | bertrik: if you have RTC and radio, you can make an alarm clock. Who needs flash? :) |
| 00:47:15 | funman | bertrik: before working on meizu storage, you can train on the Clipv2 SD controller ! |
| 00:48:31 | * | Zagor enables post-commit hook for new builds |
| 00:48:53 | rasher | Zagor: So the new system is tracking the old one now? |
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| 00:49:25 | Zagor | rasher: yes. there's a bit left to do on the web page though |
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| 00:57:01 | mt | Why the red on M5 - sim ? |
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| 00:57:15 | mcuelenaere | Bagder, Zagor: could you also add the Onda VX777 to http://build.rockbox.org/new.cgi ? |
| 00:57:36 | gevaerts | mt: my guess would be bad RAM on the build server |
| 00:58:13 | mt | gevaerts: So I shouldn't worry about it ? |
| 00:58:40 | JdGordon| | I guess there is no chance for the buioldpage to be redesigned to go with the new build server aye? |
| 00:58:44 | gevaerts | mt: there's another M5 - sim red a few builds down. Exactly the same |
| 00:58:50 | JdGordon| | its realy rediculously wide now |
| 00:59:11 | mt | gevaerts: Yes I noticed that, I was just checking to make sure |
| 00:59:16 | Zagor | JdGordon|: do you have a suggestion? |
| 00:59:22 | mt | *to make sure I didn't break something |
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| 01:00:00 | JdGordon| | wasnt there a plan to rotate it so its builds across the top and targets goign down? |
| 01:00:06 | funman | separated bootloader / build / sim tables |
| 01:00:26 | funman | JdGordon|: most screens are wider than high no ? |
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| 01:00:36 | * | mt goes to sleep. Goodnight! |
| 01:00:42 | JdGordon| | yes, but scrolling down feels more natural |
| 01:00:58 | saratoga | the wide table doesn't really bother me |
| 01:00:59 | pixelma | funman: I don't think seperate tables will be better readable |
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| 01:01:59 | Mikachu | cookies that let you say which one to put on the left edge! |
| 01:02:20 | JdGordon| | thanks for volanteering :) |
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| 01:04:11 | T045T | hi :) can somebody help me getting Rockbox to run on a Gigabeat S? I got as far as compiling sendfirm but now I get "ptp_usb_getresp: detected short response of 33 bytes..." and the player gets stuck on the loading screen after that |
| 01:04:37 | Zagor | Bagder: we should add an "exclude" feature to rbmaster, that lets commander exclude clients from the builds. |
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| 01:15:56 | CIA-71 | New commit by pixelma (r21696): More cleanup and rearrangement for three column button tables in the manual. Most importantly: move the recently added IRIVER_RC_H100_PAD opt - ... |
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| 01:17:29 | pixelma | what... it looked like that's been pasted even though the full diff hadn't been transferred yet |
| 01:18:02 | funman | are you sure it hadn't been transferred? |
| 01:18:19 | funman | the svn ci command will block until the post commit hook has returned i think |
| 01:18:37 | gevaerts | yes. We need to train CIA-71 just a tiny bit more so it actually tells us about commits we haven't done at all yet, and then it's a small step to fully automated code generation |
| 01:19:18 | * | Zagor adds some & to post-commit |
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| 01:25:38 | lee321987 | Is there anything wrong with taking a config.cfg file from a c200, and using it on an e200? |
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| 01:27:55 | linuxstb | T045T: I haven't heard of that message before. I assume you are on Linux? |
| 01:28:34 | * | ej0rge thinks he's heard of that message before but has no suggestions |
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| 01:29:18 | T045T | linuxstb: yes. I tried it on a windows machine with a precompiled binary of sendfirm.exe as well and it told me everything went well, but the player wouldn't restart properly either :( |
| 01:30:31 | linuxstb | T045T: And your S works normally with the original firmware? i.e. no USB issues transferring files? |
| 01:31:53 | pixelma | argh... that commit contained an unrelated change (the Iaudio remote svg) |
| 01:32:30 | T045T | I think so... I never used it with windows, only on a mac using XNJB ... talking to the dev of that, I learned that it has a really weird and technically wrong implementation of MTP on it... but that's true for all Gigabeat Ss |
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| 01:32:55 | pixelma | should I revert that one file? |
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| 01:33:59 | ej0rge | T045T: I vaguely remember that some usb ports worked better than others for me |
| 01:34:15 | linuxstb | pixelma: If the change itself was OK, I would just leave it. Unless you think it's important to say something in a commit message. |
| 01:35:00 | linuxstb | T045T: Yes, that would be my first advice as well - try different USB ports and different cables... If you're using a hub, then try without. |
| 01:35:27 | pixelma | well, it actually needs adapting the pdf and png with it (which I haven't prepared yet and I wanted to go to sleep now) |
| 01:35:47 | linuxstb | pixelma: Then I guess it makes sense to revert it. |
| 01:35:50 | T045T | ej0rge: wow, I didn't even think of that *facepalm* I went straight to updating libmtp :D |
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| 01:38:56 | ej0rge | T045T: iirc, i couldn't get it to work from a usb1.1 port or from a usb2 port on a cardbus card in a laptop, but a motherboard-integrated high speed usb2 port worked |
| 01:39:13 | T045T | I tried on a front USB port so far |
| 01:39:53 | T045T | come to think of it, those have always been kind of flaky... I though it was a problem with my old mainboard's USB controller though... |
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| 01:41:07 | T045T | okay, the first of my back ports gives the same error |
| 01:41:13 | ej0rge | T045T: I hope I'm not misleading you. It's been months. |
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| 01:41:50 | CIA-71 | New commit by pixelma (r21697): Revert the m3-remote.svg that accidentally got committed with the button table changes in r21696. It needs a little preparation and a commit on its ... |
| 01:41:52 | T045T | plus I'm getting a LIBMTP PANIC: create_usb_mtp_devices(): could not inspect object property descriptions! |
| 01:41:57 | T045T | twice, even :( |
| 01:42:29 | T045T | ej0rge: at least you're leading me somewhere ;) I was ready to give up and go back to the original firmware |
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| 01:43:53 | pixelma | I actually only meant the changes to the svg... |
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| 01:49:01 | ej0rge | T045T: well like i said, it's been months. the last few times I've rockboxed an S, i used the vista-bearing laptop and precompiled windows binary that finally worked for me |
| 01:49:13 | T045T | ej0rge, linuxstb, thanks for your advice, but I don't think I'll finish this tonight |
| 01:49:23 | * | gevaerts never had problems with sendfirm on linux |
| 01:49:44 | T045T | ej0rge: I think that's what I'll do eventually... or just wait for it to be integrated in a regular release |
| 01:50:37 | linuxstb | T045T: No-one else has reported your issue, so if you don't help us solve it (assuming it's something we're doing wrong), it won't get fixed... |
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| 01:50:48 | ej0rge | gevaerts: I had difficulty compiling sendfirm on linux |
| 01:51:04 | ej0rge | iirc i had a newer libmtp than was supported or something |
| 01:51:43 | gevaerts | ej0rge: when was that? There have been changes to sendfirm to support two versions of libmtp, but I don't remember which or when |
| 01:52:31 | T045T | linuxstb: it's probably safer to assume I'm the one causing the issue, because I'm using Sabayon at the moment, and equo (their package manager) doesn't really have a release numbering system, which results in kind of a mix and match situation whenever I update anything |
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| 01:52:38 | ej0rge | gevaerts: months ago |
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| 01:54:00 | T045T | I'm probably still going to try it again, but not any time soon... I need the Gigabeat for a looong vacation soon where I'm not going to have a laptop with me, so I'd rather have it in a working state ;) |
| 01:54:05 | gevaerts | ej0rge: the fixes were on 2009-02-08 |
| 01:54:49 | ej0rge | gevaerts: that could have been when i was working on it. I do recall coming here for help. |
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| 02:03:04 | JdGordon| | kkurbjun: which wps is that statusbar issue with? all of them? or.. does it have either of the %wd %we tags? |
| 02:03:37 | kkurbjun | hmm, I am using the default wps when I have the m:robe compiled for 480x640 |
| 02:04:09 | kkurbjun | I'm not sure which wps file it loads for that |
| 02:04:36 | JdGordon| | default cabbie? or default default? |
| 02:04:48 | kkurbjun | I think default default |
| 02:04:50 | gevaerts | kkurbjun: have you ever tried mpegplayer at full resolution? |
| 02:05:11 | kkurbjun | not at 640x480 it stutters at 320x240 |
| 02:05:37 | kkurbjun | I'm not sure how fast it would be at that resolution, but I'm guessing slow |
| 02:05:49 | linuxstb | How fast is the CPU? |
| 02:06:33 | kkurbjun | it has hardware that could help speed it up alot, but I have not messed around with it much - it has a DSP running at 100 MHz which is pretty much unused except to start dma transfers for the sound and an arm running at 200 |
| 02:06:52 | kkurbjun | it also has a hardware idct and motion compensation |
| 02:07:14 | linuxstb | The yuv2rgb conversion takes a big chunk of time - does the lcd have a yuv mode? |
| 02:07:45 | kkurbjun | yeah, it has a hardware yuv to rgb conversion also - it is using that right now |
| 02:08:03 | kkurbjun | the code to setup the yuv for the lcd could definately be optimized mroe |
| 02:08:10 | linuxstb | Hmm, then I'm surprised it's struggling at 320x240... |
| 02:08:18 | kkurbjun | since the hardware expects the yuv to be in a particular format |
| 02:08:36 | gevaerts | when I tried it it looked fine to me, but maybe I was using an unreasonably low bitrate |
| 02:08:54 | linuxstb | gevaerts: You're talking about a 320x240 video? |
| 02:08:56 | gevaerts | yes |
| 02:09:18 | kkurbjun | sorry, not motion compensation, it's quantization/inverse quantization |
| 02:09:20 | linuxstb | Then it sounds like it's borderline.... Which I guess is to be expected. The ipod video can't play 320x240 in realtime... |
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| 02:10:17 | * | linuxstb would still like MrSomeone to work on other video codecs, just to see how they compare... |
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| 02:10:31 | kkurbjun | the m:robe doesn't stutter much at 320x240 - once everything is buffered it runs fine |
| 02:11:00 | linuxstb | Do you know what (if any) video the OF plays? |
| 02:11:27 | kkurbjun | the OF doesn't play any video - neuros has 640x480 running with mpeg 4 on that chip I believe though |
| 02:11:36 | kkurbjun | it's a proprietary codec I think though |
| 02:12:18 | kkurbjun | the DM320 has an iMX engine also, but there's not really any documentation on it - I think TI expects you to use their library if you mess with it |
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| 02:15:26 | kkurbjun | by proprietary codec, I mean that its not open source and it's developed by some 3rd party - I believe it's pretty standard in terms of mpeg4 |
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| 02:17:10 | gevaerts | we do need some sort of video playback on it. It really looks silly without |
| 02:20:13 | funman | kkurbjun: which DSP chip is it ? |
| 02:20:39 | kkurbjun | the lcd can run at 240x320 or 480x640 so it works reasonably well when the LCD is set to QVGA |
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| 02:21:24 | kkurbjun | funman: it's a c54x |
| 02:21:27 | gartral | is "Samsa" a typo, or is it supposed to mean AMS Sansas? |
| 02:21:34 | JdGordon | yes |
| 02:21:47 | amiconn | gartral: Both |
| 02:22:00 | kkurbjun | I was planning on getting everything running at 640x480 and then have mpegplayer run at 320x240 on the m:robe for now |
| 02:22:05 | gartral | ok... thanks |
| 02:22:18 | kkurbjun | I think that if UDMA is implemented on the HD it won't stutter |
| 02:22:26 | JdGordon | except the 8pixel sysfont is too bloody small at 640x480 :) |
| 02:22:26 | kkurbjun | and if the YUV setup is optimized |
| 02:22:34 | kkurbjun | :) |
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| 02:24:18 | kkurbjun | TI advertises that the SOC can decode/encode a 7MP image in 1 second and MPEG4 I+P at 640x480 @ 30fps |
| 02:24:55 | kkurbjun | but that's probably all using their specialty hardware and with code that was specifically written around that particular hardware |
| 02:25:49 | kkurbjun | funman: more specifically the dsp is a c5409 (or similar to) |
| 02:27:30 | funman | it is quite old, do you have datasheets for it to write decoders? |
| 02:27:52 | kkurbjun | funman: we have a compiler and are running code on it |
| 02:28:33 | kkurbjun | It's just a C compiler - there are public docs on the instruction set |
| 02:28:58 | kkurbjun | and there is communication going on between the arm and the dsp |
| 02:29:16 | kkurbjun | there is documentation on the quantization hardware and the idct |
| 02:29:19 | funman | oh ok, neuros uses a proprietary codec, but in fact we could write an open source codec for it |
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| 02:29:25 | kkurbjun | the imx is mostly undocumented |
| 02:29:36 | kkurbjun | correct |
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| 02:30:14 | kkurbjun | yeah, an opensource codec would be doable except for the imx - I havn't seen any documentation on that but I havn't looked hard either |
| 02:30:36 | kkurbjun | you can use everything else without the imx though |
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| 02:40:51 | Hagen_ | :S |
| 02:41:00 | Hagen_ | i have a 5th gen 30 gig ipod |
| 02:41:17 | Hagen_ | and i use the rockbox utility |
| 02:41:42 | Hagen_ | it says 'could not open ipod' when trying to install the bootloader? D: |
| 02:42:08 | Hagen_ | have my ipod formatted for windows so it works in windows and mac |
| 02:42:19 | Hagen_ | inside mac right now |
| 02:43:47 | funman | i think there is a bug with rbutil on mac osx, could you try on windows ? |
| 02:44:25 | Hagen_ | i dont have the ability to download windows utility |
| 02:44:29 | Hagen_ | im on limited bandwidth D: |
| 02:45:53 | Hagen_ | any way around this 'bug'? :< |
| 02:45:54 | Hagen_ | :( * |
| 02:46:31 | Hagen_ | i was looking at some linux forums for similar type issues |
| 02:46:36 | Hagen_ | they said it was due to permissions conflict |
| 02:46:38 | krazykit | are yo running it with root permissions? |
| 02:46:47 | Hagen_ | i should |
| 02:46:51 | Hagen_ | dunno how to check |
| 02:47:11 | funman | Hagen_: try mounting the ipod again ? (sorry i don't know much) |
| 02:47:15 | funman | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10100 |
| 02:47:25 | funman | Hagen_: run it with sudo from the terminal ? |
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| 02:48:01 | Hagen_ | sudo ~/rbutilqt ? |
| 02:48:10 | Unhelpful | kkurbjun: what exactly is the issue with YUV on m:robe? does the YUV hardware want different subsampling, or just different memory layout? |
| 02:48:17 | Hagen_ | first time i tried that it asked for password then said it didnt work |
| 02:50:52 | Unhelpful | if it's "just" a layout issue, getting the decoder to arrange the pixel data properly shouldn't be *too* hard. and if it needs a specific subsampling that doesn't match up with mpeg1/2, then expanded or truncated IDCT might help. |
| 02:51:26 | Hagen_ | also cant autodetect if that matters... |
| 02:52:11 | Unhelpful | when you tried to run it with sudo, *sudo* reported an error (and rbutil didn't start), or rbutil reported an error? |
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| 02:52:34 | Hagen_ | said command not recognized |
| 02:52:41 | Hagen_ | have rbutil in home directory |
| 02:52:51 | Hagen_ | i put in sudo ~/rbutilqt |
| 02:52:58 | Hagen_ | and says command not found |
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| 02:53:34 | Hagen_ | it asks for password, i enter correctly.. then says command not found |
| 02:53:44 | Hagen_ | 158:~ Hagen$ sudo ~/rbutilqt |
| 02:53:44 | Hagen_ | Password: |
| 02:53:44 | Hagen_ | sudo: /Users/Hagen/rbutilqt: command not found |
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| 02:53:44 | Hagen_ | 158:~ Hagen$ |
| 02:53:44 | Kick | (#rockbox Hagen_ :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@rockbox/bot/logbot |
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| 02:54:12 | Hagen_ | oops |
| 02:54:15 | saratoga | don't flood the channel jerk |
| 02:54:27 | Hagen_ | :S didnt kno itd put each line by line |
| 02:54:29 | saratoga | just use a pastebin the bot won't get mad at you |
| 02:55:04 | Hagen_ | it says command not found :/ |
| 02:55:06 | Hagen_ | :( * |
| 02:55:34 | Llorean | Hagen_: Where is your rbutilqt file located? |
| 02:55:41 | Hagen_ | home |
| 02:56:02 | Hagen_ | so i think its Users/Hag3n for the pathway |
| 02:56:20 | JdGordon | kkurbjun: statusbar bug will be fixed in a few min... just doing some cleanup |
| 02:56:37 | Llorean | Hagen_: As you noted, you told it to look for "/Users/Hagen/rbutilqt", does that exact file actually exist? |
| 02:56:47 | Hagen_ | yes |
| 02:56:53 | Hagen_ | it asks for password then says command not found |
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| 02:57:17 | Llorean | Hagen_: sudo asks for the password |
| 02:57:22 | Hagen_ | right |
| 02:57:26 | Llorean | Could you go and manually verify that /Users/Hagen/rbutilqt exists? |
| 02:57:33 | Hagen_ | yes |
| 02:57:38 | midgey|w | wouldn't that be rbutilqt.app on mac? |
| 02:57:57 | Hagen_ | i select go> home> |
| 02:58:01 | Hagen_ | and see rbutilqt |
| 02:58:11 | Llorean | Hagen_: I didn't ask you to just view your home folder. I asked you to browse that exact path. |
| 02:58:20 | JdGordon | midgey|w: still at work?! |
| 02:58:20 | Unhelpful | ok, did you try starting it from the command line *without* sudo? :) |
| 02:58:46 | Hagen_ | going to get info on the .app |
| 02:58:49 | Hagen_ | it says where: field |
| 02:58:59 | midgey|w | JdGordon: yeah, parents are taking me out for dinner, but they're at rainier so i'm sticking around |
| 02:59:09 | JdGordon | righto |
| 02:59:36 | midgey|w | Hagen_: open up a terminal and type "cd ~/ && ls" |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:13 | Hagen_ | rbutilqt.app appears in list |
| 03:00:34 | Hagen_ | where field says /users/hagen |
| 03:00:54 | midgey|w | sudo open ~/rbutilqt.app |
| 03:01:14 | Hagen_ | now it opens |
| 03:01:15 | Hagen_ | :? |
| 03:01:40 | Hagen_ | ive ran that command over 10 times including restarting terminal and trying again |
| 03:01:44 | Hagen_ | - .- |
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| 03:02:42 | midgey|w | Hagen_: previously you weren't doing open or .app were you? |
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| 03:03:00 | Hagen_ | i tried w/o .app and w/ .app |
| 03:03:21 | Hagen_ | still says same error |
| 03:03:25 | Hagen_ | i select complete install |
| 03:03:38 | Hagen_ | it says for steps of install: |
| 03:03:40 | midgey|w | complete install is weird on mac |
| 03:03:40 | Hagen_ | downloading bootloader file |
| 03:03:45 | Hagen_ | download finished |
| 03:03:50 | Hagen_ | installing rockbox bootloader |
| 03:03:54 | Hagen_ | could not open ipod |
| 03:03:56 | midgey|w | point rbutil to where the ipod is mounted |
| 03:04:04 | midgey|w | (make sure it's still mounted) |
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| 03:04:21 | Hagen_ | its mounted |
| 03:04:29 | midgey|w | it will probably be something like /Volumes/IPOD |
| 03:04:36 | midgey|w | install the bootloader |
| 03:04:49 | midgey|w | then disconnect the ipod from your mac |
| 03:04:54 | Hagen_ | i select apple ipod video (5th gen) 30gb at /volumes/IPOD |
| 03:04:59 | Hagen_ | name of ipod is IPOD |
| 03:05:18 | Hagen_ | it wont let me install bootloader |
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| 03:05:45 | midgey|w | what version of mac are you running? |
| 03:06:02 | Hagen_ | 10.5.63 |
| 03:06:05 | Hagen_ | 10.5.6*** |
| 03:06:39 | midgey|w | ok, in terminal "cd /Volumes/IPOD && ls" |
| 03:06:53 | midgey|w | what directories are listed? |
| 03:07:10 | Dozer | hello rockbox. I have a question, sorry couldn't find it in the FAQ. Is there any way to back up an ipod so that it can be restored to its original state including its music? ipod mini 2, windows XP |
| 03:07:14 | Hagen_ | calendars, contacts, notes, ipod_control |
| 03:07:25 | Hagen_ | i just restored ipod to factory defaults under windows |
| 03:07:27 | midgey|w | actually, ls -lah whould be better |
| 03:07:37 | midgey|w | hmm, ok that looks right |
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| 03:08:01 | midgey|w | does rbutil give you an error message when you try to install the bootloader |
| 03:08:14 | Hagen_ | i go to complete install under quickstart |
| 03:08:20 | Hagen_ | and it starts installation |
| 03:08:27 | Hagen_ | it downloads bootloader |
| 03:08:27 | midgey|w | Dozer: for what reason? |
| 03:08:34 | Hagen_ | then says cannot open ipod |
| 03:08:41 | gartral | Hagen_: ohh.. you need too install bootloader and firmware seperatly |
| 03:08:49 | Hagen_ | oh? |
| 03:08:58 | midgey|w | i mentioned that a few lines back |
| 03:09:05 | midgey|w | mac doens't handle the unmount correctly |
| 03:09:10 | Hagen_ | hm |
| 03:09:13 | gartral | yea, its also mentioned in the manuals |
| 03:09:26 | Hagen_ | ok so inside the utility i go to installation, i select install the bootloader? |
| 03:09:34 | * | gartral nods |
| 03:09:38 | Hagen_ | cuz that says could not open ipod too |
| 03:09:40 | lee321987 | 'Screendump' in the Debug menu −− does it copy the screen contents to an image file? How do I do it (once it's enabled)? |
| 03:09:54 | midgey|w | lee321987: install a usb cable |
| 03:09:57 | midgey|w | insert* |
| 03:10:04 | gartral | lee321987: its automatic, it grabs a screenshot every second |
| 03:10:09 | rasher | gartral: wrong |
| 03:10:23 | lee321987 | but I must be connected to the computer? |
| 03:10:48 | Hagen_ | should i put ipod in disk mode? |
| 03:11:09 | midgey|w | Hagen_: you could try that |
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| 03:11:18 | midgey|w | not sure why it would change anything |
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| 03:11:36 | midgey|w | i installed on my 4g and mini2g no problem with rbutil |
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| 03:12:25 | rasher | lee321987: When you go into the Screendump entry in the Debug menu, the normal USB functions are stopped, and inserting a cable will instead take a screenshot |
| 03:14:08 | Hagen_ | yeah unmount ipod (not in disk mode yet) and had everything closed out |
| 03:14:14 | Hagen_ | reopened utility inside terminal |
| 03:14:25 | Hagen_ | after ipod 5th gen 30 gig mounted again |
| 03:14:30 | Hagen_ | sudo opened utility |
| 03:14:40 | Hagen_ | went to installation, install bootloader |
| 03:14:49 | Hagen_ | and get same error, 'could not open ipod' |
| 03:14:50 | Hagen_ | :( |
| 03:16:43 | gartral | Hagen_: try ipodpatcher... there *shouldnt* be a difference, but Mac is strange >.> |
| 03:17:01 | Hagen_ | cleared cache and tried installing after restarting utility and same error :/ |
| 03:17:02 | Hagen_ | :( * |
| 03:17:14 | Hagen_ | what all does ipodcatcher do? |
| 03:17:18 | Hagen_ | ive heard vaguely of it |
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| 03:18:13 | Hagen_ | link? |
| 03:18:19 | Hagen_ | cant find in google yet :S |
| 03:18:40 | midgey|w | Hagen_: have you tried auto detect within rbutil? |
| 03:18:52 | Hagen_ | it fails |
| 03:19:28 | midgey|w | hmm |
| 03:19:38 | midgey|w | open disk utility |
| 03:19:49 | Hagen_ | alright |
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| 03:21:16 | midgey|w | What volumes are listed in the left panel? |
| 03:21:58 | Hagen_ | hdd and ipod and cd and .dmg of utility |
| 03:22:38 | midgey|w | right click on the ipod and get the properties |
| 03:22:48 | midgey|w | i think you're looking for mount point or something similar |
| 03:24:37 | Hagen_ | hm |
| 03:24:49 | Hagen_ | says disk identifier: disk2 |
| 03:24:56 | Hagen_ | writable: yes |
| 03:25:06 | Hagen_ | Disk Number 2 |
| 03:25:11 | Hagen_ | Partition Number: 0 |
| 03:25:22 | midgey|w | please dont paste the whole thing |
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| 03:25:30 | Hagen_ | i typed, sorry |
| 03:25:35 | midgey|w | use pastebin or a similar service instead |
| 03:25:40 | Hagen_ | theres nothing in there that says mount |
| 03:25:44 | Hagen_ | and idk what pastebin is |
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| 03:26:11 | Mikachu | Hagen_: hagen.pastebin.com |
| 03:26:13 | | Quit lee321987 (Client Quit) |
| 03:26:20 | midgey|w | it's a service to host text. we request people use it here to avoid posting a bunch of lines in a row |
| 03:26:46 | midgey|w | it helps keep the logs clean and easier to read |
| 03:26:47 | Hagen_ | makes sense |
| 03:26:52 | Hagen_ | yeah :) |
| 03:27:05 | midgey|w | do you see any reference to /Volumes ? |
| 03:27:39 | Hagen_ | no |
| 03:28:29 | midgey|w | hmm, i thought it would be in there |
| 03:28:30 | Hagen_ | ah |
| 03:28:34 | Hagen_ | mount point /volumes/ipod |
| 03:28:45 | midgey|w | ok, good |
| 03:29:19 | midgey|w | sometimes mac wont delete a mount point on removal and the next time it will mount at /volumes/ipod 1/ |
| 03:29:30 | Hagen_ | hm |
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| 03:29:54 | Hagen_ | so what to do now? |
| 03:30:29 | midgey|w | you could try launching rbutil a different way |
| 03:30:38 | Hagen_ | how? |
| 03:30:39 | midgey|w | i'm not sure i remember it |
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| 03:31:05 | midgey|w | sudo open ~/rbutilqt.app/Resources/Mac OS/rbutil |
| 03:31:11 | midgey|w | that's almost surely wrong |
| 03:31:16 | Hagen_ | lol |
| 03:31:36 | lee321987 | Is it normal for the battery to be at 68%, then ten minutes later be at 63%, then 10 minutes later be back at 66% |
| 03:32:21 | Hagen_ | yeah pathway didnt work |
| 03:32:22 | midgey|w | lee321987: the battery rating on a software codec target is semi-accurate at best |
| 03:33:10 | midgey|w | Hagen_: if i had my mac in front of me i could check but i'm currently at work |
| 03:33:23 | midgey|w | you may have to resort to ipodpatcher like was suggested earlier |
| 03:33:46 | midgey|w | you could unplug the ipod boot into disk mode and replug it in |
| 03:33:53 | midgey|w | and hope for the best with rbutil |
| 03:33:58 | Hagen_ | cant find ipodpatcher |
| 03:34:04 | Hagen_ | and what does it do? |
| 03:34:38 | midgey|w | it's a way to install the bootloader through the terminal |
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| 03:35:28 | Hagen_ | ok |
| 03:35:38 | Hagen_ | i think i found a link for ipodpatcher.exe from rockbox website |
| 03:35:53 | midgey|w | can you right click on rbutilqt.app and click show contents? |
| 03:35:54 | Hagen_ | well .dmg for my mac |
| 03:35:59 | Hagen_ | yeah |
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| 03:37:09 | midgey|w | no, i mean the .app file. it should have folders such as Resources and Mac OS |
| 03:37:20 | Hagen_ | correct |
| 03:37:29 | midgey|w | go into Resources |
| 03:37:41 | Hagen_ | i have rbutilqt.icns |
| 03:38:05 | midgey|w | anything else? |
| 03:38:10 | Hagen_ | no :( |
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| 03:38:41 | Hagen_ | i got ipod patcher |
| 03:38:45 | midgey|w | go back up to the Mac OS folder instead |
| 03:38:52 | midgey|w | ipodpatcher.exe? |
| 03:38:53 | Hagen_ | says successfully installed bootloader |
| 03:38:55 | Hagen_ | .dmg |
| 03:38:57 | Hagen_ | yeah |
| 03:39:02 | midgey|w | well then hurray |
| 03:39:06 | Hagen_ | :D |
| 03:39:11 | Hagen_ | now bootloader is installed? |
| 03:39:22 | midgey|w | it should be |
| 03:39:27 | Hagen_ | how do i get full 'complete install' using utility now that bootloader is installed |
| 03:39:51 | midgey|w | well, complete will try to install the bootloader again |
| 03:39:57 | Hagen_ | right |
| 03:40:01 | midgey|w | i think full install is what you want now |
| 03:40:03 | Hagen_ | how do i get the same effect as that |
| 03:40:39 | midgey|w | under the installation tab i think |
| 03:40:48 | Hagen_ | ok i have bootloader and install rockbox |
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| 03:40:57 | Hagen_ | guess that means install rockbox |
| 03:41:10 | Hagen_ | but what all does that install? any ideas? |
| 03:41:50 | midgey|w | it just downloads rockbox.zip (either current or release) and unzips it |
| 03:41:57 | Hagen_ | mk |
| 03:42:12 | midgey|w | you'll want the font pack for sure |
| 03:42:24 | midgey|w | possibly doom and some themes |
| 03:42:39 | Hagen_ | all manual then? |
| 03:42:44 | Hagen_ | can they be done thru the utility |
| 03:43:20 | midgey|w | yep, they should all work |
| 03:43:32 | midgey|w | should being the key word |
| 03:45:17 | Hagen_ | mk |
| 03:45:24 | Hagen_ | will try this :) |
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| 03:51:13 | Telazorn | dose anone here know a good place to get used iPod mini gen1 parts other then eBay? |
| 03:52:22 | Hagen_ | amazon maybe? |
| 03:54:33 | Hagen_ | thanks a ton guys :) |
| 03:54:35 | Hagen_ | have a good night |
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| 03:55:43 | midgey|w | Telazorn: probably ebay or craigslist are your only options or the potential ipod repair sites that seem to pop up all over the internet |
| 03:56:16 | midgey|w | best the discussion is better suited for #rockbox-community so please join there if you wish to talk about it further |
| 03:56:49 | Telazorn | kk sorry thank you |
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| 05:24:12 | kkurbjun | Unhelpful: it is just looking for a different memory layout |
| 05:25:59 | kkurbjun | I think it is Y1 Cr0 Y0 Cb0 for a 32 bit word |
| 05:26:03 | kkurbjun | each is 8 bits |
| 05:27:01 | CIA-71 | New commit by lowlight (r21698): Philips SA9200: fix the buttons to work with flip screen mode (does anyone use this?). Change to conventional BUTTON_LEFT/BUTTON_RIGHT names and flip ... |
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| 06:44:11 | gartral | ok pre rockboxing problem, I have a an E250 with a bad LCD controller.. how do I get it to switch to MSC mode when I can't see the OFW's main menu? |
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| 06:45:51 | mc2739 | gartral: is it a v1? |
| 06:46:12 | gartral | mc2739: yes, im rather certain |
| 06:46:26 | mc2739 | do you have a working v1? |
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| 06:46:51 | gartral | mc2739: yes I do. I have my main one that works and is running Rockbox fine |
| 06:47:47 | mc2739 | you can swap the memory board from the broken to the working, install rockbox, and then swap it back |
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| 06:48:50 | gartral | mc2739: no I cant, I don't have the tools |
| 06:48:58 | ej0rge | that mostly always works. i've had a few memory boards that only worked in particular main boards. |
| 06:49:11 | ej0rge | until i got really creative with the unbrick tools |
| 06:49:43 | ej0rge | don't we have instructions for blind installation on the e200 series? or am i thinking of some other device |
| 06:50:24 | mc2739 | I think only if rockbox is already installed |
| 06:50:31 | ej0rge | sorry, that's irivers |
| 06:51:32 | ej0rge | gartral: unfortunately i don't think there's any way to know what menu you're viewing in the sansa OF without looking at it |
| 06:53:00 | gartral | I know my working one's OFW defaults to the Settings screen on startup.. |
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| 06:54:11 | gartral | but the one that has the bad screen wont show its drive on plugin (on my Linux box) and refuses to auto-switch |
| 06:54:41 | ej0rge | hmm |
| 06:54:49 | ej0rge | do you know what version of the OF it's using? |
| 06:55:07 | mc2739 | I think the OF defaults to the icon it was on when you turn it off |
| 06:55:16 | gartral | absolutly no idea.. I picked it up for a doller off a kid |
| 06:55:36 | ej0rge | ahh |
| 06:55:44 | ej0rge | mc2739: that's what I |
| 06:55:46 | ej0rge | I'm thinking |
| 06:56:28 | ej0rge | if you have a windows machine handy, you can use the sansa updater to get it to the final 1.x version, which should work, but yeah - skeptical whether this will actually do what you need it to do |
| 06:57:36 | gartral | no, all I have are Linux and Mac systems now |
| 06:58:32 | gartral | I have another e250 with a truly destroyed LCD and I was able to Rockbox it |
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| 06:59:11 | mc2739 | it is easy, if it is already in msc mode |
| 06:59:21 | ej0rge | actually, fiddling with my e250v1, i think it may actually boot to the settings menu |
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| 07:00:26 | ej0rge | in that case, the key sequence would be center, 11 clicks clockwise, right, center, one click counter-clockwise, then center again |
| 07:00:40 | ej0rge | but you could have figured that out yourself, which makes me wonder why you're asking |
| 07:01:30 | ej0rge | er, where i said "right, center" i meant either/or |
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| 07:02:54 | ej0rge | you may want to wait a minute or two after turning it on to let it finish scanning the filesystem if it needs to |
| 07:03:26 | mc2739 | you can also use up and down keys instead of the scroll wheel - that may be more accurate |
| 07:03:34 | ej0rge | true |
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| 07:04:33 | relentless | How do I view images? I put them on my ipod but they dont show up in the folder I put them in |
| 07:05:03 | mc2739 | relentless: what type of image? |
| 07:05:10 | relentless | jpg |
| 07:05:18 | relentless | I converted a pdf to jpg |
| 07:05:22 | ej0rge | make sure "show files" is set to "supported" or "all" |
| 07:05:27 | gartral | wasn't there a way to "spoof" it into think MTP mode wont work, and have it auto-switch? |
| 07:05:41 | relentless | Its set to all |
| 07:06:35 | ej0rge | gartral: you mean this in the wiki - Use this method if you're running one of the firmwares that doesn't support USB mode selection. Boot into the OF with it connected to computer and let it be recognized as an MTP device. Next, engage the hold switch and press (and hold) the rewind button, disconnect from computer, and wait until the computer signals the MTP device has been removed. Now reconnect to the computer and it will be detected as an MSC d |
| 07:08:10 | relentless | Thank you I got it working, I forgot to eject the ipod and it deleted the file |
| 07:08:12 | relentless | s |
| 07:08:35 | mc2739 | oops |
| 07:08:59 | relentless | I now have bus schedules on my ipod :D |
| 07:09:05 | gartral | reconnect while hlding rewind? |
| 07:09:33 | ej0rge | gartral: what i pasted is all i know. I think you don't have to hold it while plugging it back in, but i don't know |
| 07:11:39 | ej0rge | those instructions are for the c200 though, so maybe they don't apply |
| 07:13:44 | ej0rge | gartral: question - how do you know that it's just the lcd controller that's toast? |
| 07:14:42 | gartral | nothing but a white screen is displayed |
| 07:14:52 | ej0rge | also, "tools" where an e200 is concerned == one #0 philips head screwdriver |
| 07:15:12 | ej0rge | gartral: ok |
| 07:15:57 | gartral | but the memory module seems to be superglued down on both units |
| 07:16:34 | mc2739 | gartral: I believe it is just double sided tape |
| 07:16:42 | ej0rge | I've gone though the parts of 8 or 9 e200's and I've never seen that - you're saying the memory module won't pop off the board? |
| 07:16:59 | ej0rge | yeah, there are a few points of double-sided mounting tape |
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| 08:11:07 | animatorgeek | Can anyone tell me what the current state is of the h1xx bootloader in SVN? |
| 08:12:30 | Llorean | Untested. |
| 08:12:31 | Llorean | Why? |
| 08:12:35 | animatorgeek | I'm debating whether to test a fix I made. I'm 99.9% sure it won't brick my player (my fix that is), but I don't know how stable the loader is in SVN. |
| 08:12:56 | animatorgeek | So it sounds like I probably shouldn't |
| 08:12:58 | Llorean | Fix for what? |
| 08:13:26 | animatorgeek | The problem of disconnecting USB and getting an ATA -80 error on a CFModded h1xx |
| 08:14:34 | animatorgeek | As far as I can tell it's the one extant problem in 7pre4 (at least as far as CFMod goes) |
| 08:14:46 | Llorean | Why not patch against the revision used to make that? |
| 08:15:32 | Dhraakellian | what determines whether a track's length is listed in the database browser? |
| 08:15:47 | animatorgeek | Oh, that's a good idea. Thanks! |
| 08:16:50 | Dhraakellian | encoder used? presence of certain tags? tags added by the encoder used? |
| 08:17:06 | animatorgeek | So then that makes me wonder: what's the possibility of coming out with an official v7 bootloader? Does that require Linus to do a bunch of testing? Is he the only one with the de-bricking hardware? |
| 08:18:22 | animatorgeek | And how can I figure out which rev was used for 7pre4? |
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| 08:22:58 | Llorean | If it's going to be working with flashing Rockbox it needs a higher degree or reliability than it did before |
| 08:23:06 | Llorean | Previously, we just had to be absolutely certain you can always dual boot |
| 08:23:45 | Llorean | I don't know how you'd find out the revision of 7pre4. Ask whoever compiled it if it's not listed in the boot screen. |
| 08:26:43 | Dhraakellian | hoorah! I figured out how to mark possibilities in sudoku on the Fuze! |
| 08:26:45 | Slasheri | the 7pre4 bootloader was compiled on date 2008-02-09. So you should look svn just before and after that for any bootloader commits and compile it including any of those commits to be sure it will work |
| 08:27:15 | * | Dhraakellian still thinks it's a tad clunky, but now he can at least use it |
| 08:27:42 | Slasheri | animatorgeek: what kind of fix did you make to the BL? |
| 08:28:09 | animatorgeek | kay, thanks |
| 08:28:34 | animatorgeek | Slasheri: I just added one line to the end of the USB mode conditional block |
| 08:28:47 | animatorgeek | See FS #9642 (Bootloader USB Diskmode fails to exit gracefully on CFModded H100) |
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| 08:29:45 | Slasheri | ah, i will see that. I just thought if that's general change, maybe it should be included in the final v7. Or 7pre5 |
| 08:29:46 | animatorgeek | It was just flowing right into the load-from-disk section without first checking if it should load from ROM or RAM |
| 08:29:51 | Overand | Are .wps files from older releases incompatible with 3.3? |
| 08:30:45 | Overand | I'm having a problem with "Kelp" - it seems to be displaying some sort of default display. |
| 08:30:52 | animatorgeek | I would hope that this problem will be fixed in 7pre5 or 7. It certainly seems like a pretty simple problem. |
| 08:31:20 | Slasheri | animatorgeek: btw, if you are going to flash your modified bootloader using iriver_flash plugin (that's the ~50 KiB rockbox.iriver file in your bootloader build directory), you have to add a new crc32 checksum to the iriver_flash.c or disable the checksum check. Otherwise the plugin will refuse to flash your bootloader |
| 08:31:21 | animatorgeek | I think were were some changes to the wps markup language along the way, but I'm not sure when that occurred. |
| 08:31:44 | Overand | animatorgeek: I'm not sure the last time I actually tried to use "kelp" - it may have been up to a year or two. |
| 08:32:27 | * | Dhraakellian wonders what the best keymap for sudoku on the fuze would be |
| 08:32:28 | animatorgeek | I would guess things have changed since then. I know the newer wps screens look a lot more fancy on my h120. |
| 08:32:54 | Overand | Seems the same, on my iPod 5G/60 |
| 08:33:02 | Overand | But I really liked this old one, heh. |
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| 08:33:55 | Slasheri | animatorgeek: ah, using bootloader diskmode, it's intentional that the bootloader will load from disk then |
| 08:34:22 | Slasheri | because the BL disk mode is not intended to be used regularly, mainly for updating rockbox |
| 08:35:00 | animatorgeek | Slasheri: I'm not sure what I have to do to generate a checksum. Is it a checksum for the bootloader image, and I add that value to an array in iriver_flash.c and recompile the plugin? |
| 08:35:33 | * | amiconn almost almost always uses bootloader usb mode on targets which power on on plugin and have that mode |
| 08:35:34 | Slasheri | animatorgeek: correct, i will upload the utility to generate that checksum. Just a moment |
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| 08:36:28 | Llorean | Overand: The WPS language has changed, but not particularly recently |
| 08:36:42 | Llorean | All WPSes can be fixed though with a little reading of the CustomWPS page and a bit of editing in a text editor |
| 08:36:48 | animatorgeek | Is the BL disk mode less stable? As a user, it comes as a great surprise that i'm not "supposed" to use that feature. I find it useful, and I'm not sure why it would automatically boot from disk after exiting it |
| 08:37:03 | animatorgeek | Is it in case you update the firmware? |
| 08:37:42 | amiconn | There shouldn't be any difference in stability |
| 08:37:42 | animatorgeek | I suppose that would make sense, but then why not just go to the boot menu (if ROM and/or RAM images are available)? |
| 08:37:43 | Overand | Llorean: I'm looking into it |
| 08:37:52 | Overand | (for anyone interested - the originalk version of the old theme - http://web.archive.org/web/20070325011007/www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIpod5g/kelp.png ) |
| 08:37:55 | Slasheri | animatorgeek: http://pastebin.com/m7cc629a6 |
| 08:38:01 | Slasheri | animatorgeek: that's it, the update_crc.c |
| 08:38:13 | amiconn | I'm using it very often just because it's much more convenient to just plug in the device and have it connect |
| 08:38:16 | Slasheri | it will read rockbox.iriver from your current working directory |
| 08:38:50 | Slasheri | animatorgeek: it's not less stable, it's just preferred to use the rockbox usb disk mode |
| 08:39:34 | Slasheri | animatorgeek: but i will use the BL disk mode everytime i wan't to update rockbox. Because it will always override loading from ram/rom and just loads the newest copy from disk :) |
| 08:40:04 | Slasheri | it's also a safety feature if the menu would fail to operate for some reason |
| 08:40:05 | animatorgeek | I'm with amiconn on this one. I use it all the time because it's convenient to plug it in and _then_ turn on the player. |
| 08:40:34 | animatorgeek | Except that I don't do that ever since I installed my CFMod. |
| 08:41:01 | Slasheri | so i don't think that should be changed for the final BL. The disk is spinning anyway at this point so there is little performance penalty |
| 08:41:18 | animatorgeek | I guess my point is that from a user's perspective it's counterintuitive. |
| 08:41:55 | animatorgeek | There's a penalty if you've got the CFMod. That makes me wonder how many people have done this mod.... |
| 08:42:17 | Slasheri | hmm, there is a penalty? |
| 08:42:42 | animatorgeek | Yes. It won't boot. it requires a hard reset |
| 08:42:49 | animatorgeek | ATA -80 |
| 08:42:57 | Slasheri | ah, well that's a bug, not a penalty :) |
| 08:43:13 | Slasheri | and of course that should be fixed |
| 08:43:15 | animatorgeek | Although perhaps that's the real problem: the bootloader doesn't know how to boot from a CF card. |
| 08:43:26 | Overand | Managed to find a new version. |
| 08:43:27 | Overand | Woo!@ |
| 08:43:32 | animatorgeek | Right you are. |
| 08:43:33 | amiconn | I would expect a bootloader compiled from current svn to not have this bug |
| 08:43:40 | Slasheri | ouch, that really must be fixed then |
| 08:44:20 | amiconn | Iirc all the CF related fixes went in after our iriver bootloaders (including 7pre4) were compiled |
| 08:44:27 | animatorgeek | So I guess that really the fix I submitted for FS #9642 is a bandaid on to pof the larger problem. Still, it would be nice (from my perspective) to be able to boot from USB BL mode. |
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| 08:45:07 | animatorgeek | Oh, so the boot-from-CF problem is likely to be fixed already? |
| 08:45:11 | Slasheri | amiconn: well, that could be tested with some extreme care. Just be sure you have flashed the rockbox rom image before trying that. So there is some possibility that the reset cookie will kick in if the bootloader should crash |
| 08:45:42 | * | amiconn won't touch iriver flashing before the flash bootloader becomes official |
| 08:46:04 | amiconn | I'm running plain v6 bootloader |
| 08:46:27 | animatorgeek | amiconn: v6 won't work with CFMod. 7pre4 is required. |
| 08:46:48 | * | animatorgeek doesn't remember why |
| 08:47:15 | amiconn | I don't have my iriver cf modded, and there is no reason to |
| 08:47:45 | amiconn | Well, unless affordable CFs become larger than my hdd, which is the rare MK8007GAH |
| 08:47:58 | animatorgeek | Ah, you're a lucky one. |
| 08:48:26 | Slasheri | amiconn: and you don't like much faster boot-up times and saving battery with dircache/database? |
| 08:48:33 | animatorgeek | I have an h120, so tall drives won't work for me. But more than that, I was eager to eliminate hard drive noise |
| 08:49:10 | animatorgeek | The internal mic is actually decent quality for recording rehearsals and stuff like that, once you get rid of the hard drive. |
| 08:50:54 | animatorgeek | Slasheri: are you actively developing the bootloaders? Is there actualy a v7 release on the horizon? |
| 08:52:05 | Slasheri | animatorgeek: not actively, but i would consider the v7pre4 the most stable h1xx bootloader so far |
| 08:53:05 | Slasheri | animatorgeek: i might do a new release however, if there is reason to. Such as fixing that CF issue :) But i should upgrade my player to CF first to be able to test. |
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| 08:54:37 | animatorgeek | Slasheri: I looked back at an old IRC log from August or something and some people were pushing to fix that for 3.0 but it wasn't a high priority since it's just for modded players. |
| 08:55:18 | Slasheri | ah |
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| 08:55:37 | animatorgeek | Well, I can attest that the CF mod is super easy and not dangerous at all. The RTC mod caused me WAY more heartache |
| 08:55:51 | * | amiconn would rather take the risk of doing flashing experiments on his H340 than risking his H180 with an unofficial bootloader, even if this is already tested on a few devices |
| 08:55:53 | Slasheri | well, i really need to get some CF. I don't think i could do that without |
| 08:56:00 | animatorgeek | But needless to say it's a priority for me :) |
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| 08:57:12 | animatorgeek | I can understand your hesitance. I'm pretty confident in 7pre4, though. I haven't seen any mention of it causing problems. |
| 08:57:26 | Slasheri | amiconn: it's pretty well tested by many people. i think the risk using the OF firmware to flash something has order of magnitude greater risks than using our flashing procedure (which takes less than a second to flash/verify the BL) |
| 08:57:27 | JdGordon | I've got a dodgey 4gb CF card i can send out if its needed? |
| 08:57:46 | GodEater | dodgy ? |
| 08:57:48 | JdGordon | its got some back blocks |
| 08:59:16 | animatorgeek | Oh, and you can get the adapter from Hong Kong for $2.50 shipped to the US (don't know how they make any money on that). Not sure what they'd charge to Finland, but I know there are lots of sources for that kind of thing. |
| 08:59:22 | JdGordon | I can also lend my 32GB CF and adaptor if thats needed... |
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| 09:00:29 | amiconn | Slasheri: Sure that's faster - the bootloader is much smaller than the OF |
| 09:01:01 | * | amiconn flashed all his archoses, even though the other of his two favourite targets is one of these |
| 09:01:09 | Slasheri | amiconn: and the time is one of the most critical points doing the flashing. Because if it would fail, it would fail during flashing the image |
| 09:01:40 | Slasheri | amiconn: even then, you could probably try to reflash or keep your player running if the verify didn't succeed (but that has never happened so far) |
| 09:01:51 | amiconn | But for the archoses there's a recovery procedure almost everyone with a bit of soldering experience and cheap adapter hardware can perform - unlike the coldfires |
| 09:02:48 | Slasheri | after the BL is ok, in practice there should be no risk flashing the ram/rom image |
| 09:03:17 | GodEater | I think my H140 is still running 7pre3 - what did pre4 bring ? |
| 09:04:07 | Slasheri | GodEater: i don't remember excactly but at least there are few improvements to the menu system and remote control |
| 09:04:24 | GodEater | heh, I have very little idea where my remote even is |
| 09:04:43 | Slasheri | =) |
| 09:05:03 | GodEater | in a crate in the attic I think |
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| 09:06:10 | GodEater | does anyone know if the new 1.8" SSD drives are straight swaps into a DAP ? |
| 09:06:23 | Overand | Interesting question. |
| 09:06:28 | Slasheri | amiconn: and btw, flashing the BL doesn't remove OF from flash. So after doing that, you could still verify everything is working. Prior that point the BL is not touched by any other flash operations |
| 09:06:34 | animatorgeek | I'm kind of surprised it's been so long since an update to the BL |
| 09:06:37 | GodEater | ah, probably not, they appear to be SATA |
| 09:06:47 | GodEater | animatorgeek: why? Very little changes in them |
| 09:06:49 | Overand | Man, I'd love a DAP with more than 60 gigs of storage, and an interface that's marginally better than what I have on my iPod. |
| 09:06:54 | Overand | (I really miss my Rio Karma) |
| 09:07:11 | Overand | That thing was the only player with a stock OS that didn't seem to suck - at least that I've used. |
| 09:07:13 | Slasheri | animatorgeek: unless there is a good reason, bootloaders are not updated |
| 09:07:34 | animatorgeek | I think I've seen PATA solid state drives on Amazon, but I don't remember if they were 1.8" |
| 09:08:16 | animatorgeek | But even then, you'd need a LIF->40-pin adapter |
| 09:08:49 | animatorgeek | no one makes the 40-pin drives any more, I don't think |
| 09:09:00 | GodEater | animatorgeek: that would depend on which DAP you're going to put it in |
| 09:09:10 | GodEater | that adaptor would do me no good in my ipod ;) |
| 09:09:13 | animatorgeek | Oh, good point. |
| 09:09:16 | amiconn | The 1.8" drives are either 50pin or ZIF |
| 09:09:31 | animatorgeek | I'm all h1x0 oriented in all my DAP dealings |
| 09:09:55 | amiconn | There are other configurations, but these are rare. Some new DAPs also use CE-ATA, but that's a yet different protocol |
| 09:10:35 | amiconn | (basically ATA-over-MMC) |
| 09:11:26 | amiconn | animatorgeek: Yeah, and the H1x0 uses 50-pin |
| 09:12:01 | animatorgeek | Oh, my mistake (40 vs 50 pin) |
| 09:13:51 | * | Dhraakellian thinks he has an alternate sudoku keymap for the fuze figured out |
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| 09:14:46 | animatorgeek | I gotta go. Thanks for all the info. I guess I won't be messing with the bootloader after all. I hereby register my vote for coming out with a new version that fixes the CFMod boot-from-disk problem... |
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| 09:15:24 | GodEater | how sweet, he thinks we're a democracy! |
| 09:16:00 | animatorgeek | I just mean to encourage anyone who might be considering such a thing. |
| 09:16:04 | animatorgeek | :) |
| 09:16:10 | GodEater | ;) |
| 09:16:29 | animatorgeek | Anyway, g'nite (or morning as the case may be) |
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| 10:05:19 | daurn | hi all |
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| 10:12:09 | Grahack | daurn: Hi (and hi all), I'm planning to use your lua id3 code to write a basictageditor for rockbox. Do you think of any problem I could encounter ? |
| 10:12:39 | daurn | Grahack, not really |
| 10:12:55 | daurn | Grahack, though you could use my whole tagging library, and help oout with it too, rather than just id3 |
| 10:12:55 | Grahack | great |
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| 10:13:50 | Grahack | oh yes, I used the id3 word because I wanted to be crystal clear (and I don't know of other flavour) |
| 10:14:21 | GodEater | there are "vorbis comments" and "Ape tags" as well I think =/ |
| 10:14:31 | daurn | Grahack, well I currently also have wavpack read/write and flac reading |
| 10:14:51 | daurn | Grahack, I still need flac writing and anything to do with ogg |
| 10:21:53 | linuxstb | GodEater: Plus mp4, ASF and (soon) RealMedia... |
| 10:26:43 | boobaloo | hello all, please tell me - are there any plans to port RockBox on the RockChip family devices (a legion of Asia mp3/mp4 players)? |
| 10:27:45 | daurn | Grahack, do you know how to use my libs? |
| 10:29:43 | markun | boobaloo: I don't think anyone is working on a rockchip port |
| 10:30:01 | boobaloo | markun: thanks for the info |
| 10:30:20 | markun | boobaloo: are you interested on working on it yourself? |
| 10:31:26 | boobaloo | markun: i'm afraid my programming skills are not enough for that effort |
| 10:33:08 | markun | ports happen when someone just starts working on it, it's not really planned |
| 10:33:27 | boobaloo | markun: also SDK is hard to get. it's possible, but hard. |
| 10:33:52 | boobaloo | markun: yeah, I'm understand. so noone was start that. ok |
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| 10:35:21 | markun | boobaloo: earlier rockchip cpu's were MIPS based, right? and newer are ARM I guess. |
| 10:37:40 | boobaloo | markun: yes, think so, that because I ask. |
| 10:38:24 | Grahack | daurn: not yet, I have to dive into it, but if you've got a tutorial for me that would be great, and I'd start now |
| 10:38:55 | daurn | Grahack, I asumme you will start on pc first? |
| 10:39:54 | Grahack | daurn: yes |
| 10:42:53 | Grahack | daurn: maybe it's time to start a wiki page on http://code.google.com/p/lomp/w/list :) |
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| 10:53:08 | daurn | Grahack, I posted instructions on irc, did you get them (in lua a couple days ago) |
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| 10:54:52 | Grahack | arf no, gonna look for them... |
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| 11:02:39 | daurn | Grahack, I just posted the relevant lines in #lua, try them out |
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| 11:12:00 | ReKleSS | I'm trying to recover my H120's flash via the BDM |
| 11:12:16 | ReKleSS | is there something smaller than 8k I can write that will make it possible to recover the full bootloader? |
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| 11:36:33 | Bagder | ReKleSS: LinusN is our master BDM'er but he's not around atm |
| 11:37:49 | ReKleSS | I emailed him about this a little while ago, but haven't heard back |
| 11:40:41 | Bagder | I'd suggest emailing the dev list |
| 11:41:05 | ReKleSS | ok |
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| 12:17:50 | AlexP | GodEater: IIRC 7pre4 lets you turn on via the remote (amongst other things). i had a problem with earlier versions that it'd always so hold was on and switch off even when it wasn't |
| 12:19:03 | GodEater | ah - yes that would be annoying |
| 12:19:39 | AlexP | I *think* it was 7pre4 that fixed that, but it was an age of the world ago |
| 12:19:56 | GodEater | yeah, I don't remember at all when I put 7pre3 on mine! |
| 12:20:18 | GodEater | back in the stone age I think |
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| 12:30:14 | daurn | is there anything like iconv I can use in rockbox? |
| 12:30:31 | daurn | ==> I need to convert between UTF16, UTF8 and ascii. |
| 12:30:51 | Torne | utf8_encode and utf8_decode convert between unicode codepoints and utf8 |
| 12:32:07 | Torne | er, except no underscores. :) |
| 12:35:51 | markun | daurn: and there is the iso_decode function |
| 12:36:01 | * | GodEater notices his shiny new buildclient is busy doing stuff |
| 12:37:06 | markun | daurn: firmware/common/unicode.c |
| 12:45:17 | Bagder | GodEater: the nano2g mentions it might not run custom code, then mentions how custom code runs to extract the ram... |
| 12:45:23 | Bagder | nano2g wiki page |
| 12:45:36 | * | GodEater will fix |
| 12:46:21 | GodEater | I struck that text out |
| 12:46:33 | * | GodEater guesses that didn't render well in Bagder's browser |
| 12:46:51 | Bagder | "Currently it's still uncertain whether the information gained here can be used to run custom code on the Nano 2G" is not stuck out |
| 12:46:54 | Bagder | struck |
| 12:47:06 | GodEater | ah I see |
| 12:47:37 | Bagder | http://squisch.net/rockbox/notesexploit/ could also be referenced I guess |
| 12:47:49 | GodEater | is that wording better ? |
| 12:48:04 | Bagder | yes |
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| 12:49:14 | GodEater | and link added to scorche's copy of the exploit. |
| 12:51:32 | GodEater | Lamda managed to get *his* 2G into DFU mode the other day without trashing the firmware partition, so those instructions might need modifying |
| 12:51:42 | GodEater | although I absolutely cannot do that on the 2G I have to play with |
| 12:51:56 | GodEater | and I don't want to trash the firmware parititon, since Mrs GodEater will beat me. |
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| 12:54:38 | GodEater | show of hands please. Who owns or has access to a Nano 2G ? |
| 12:55:09 | Galois | (hand) |
| 12:55:57 | GodEater | awesome. Would you care to try the DFU mode procedure on it please (without writing crap all over your firmware partition), and see if you can get it to work ? |
| 12:56:49 | Galois | sorry, I wasn't following the discussion, what's the procedure? |
| 12:57:07 | GodEater | it's on the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IPodNano2GPort page |
| 12:57:12 | GodEater | just ignore steps 2 and 3 |
| 12:58:35 | Galois | so you also don't need a PC running linux? since I'm not using dd |
| 12:59:03 | GodEater | nope, you don't need a PC running linux. |
| 12:59:33 | GodEater | although there is a dd for windows ;) |
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| 13:02:43 | GodEater | I can't believe there are so few of us have one of these. |
| 13:02:50 | GodEater | I could have sworn linuxstb had one too. |
| 13:03:09 | Galois | I tried several times, but it's not in DFU mode |
| 13:03:20 | GodEater | no I couldn't do it either |
| 13:03:28 | Galois | maybe there's some special timing of the keypresses that you need? |
| 13:03:30 | GodEater | did you make sure it was connected via usb the second time you did the reset ? |
| 13:03:40 | Galois | yeah it was connected the second time |
| 13:03:59 | GodEater | what version of firmware is on it? |
| 13:04:15 | GodEater | I've tried with it running 1.1.2 and 1.1.3 |
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| 13:04:38 | Galois | 1.1.1 |
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| 13:06:53 | GodEater | well thanks for trying :) |
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| 14:03:34 | Unhelpful | kkurbjun: surely the decoder could store it that way? |
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| 14:55:33 | CIA-71 | New commit by teru (r21700): Add myself to docs/COMMITTERS |
| 14:58:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | \o/ New committer! |
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| 15:00:08 | mcuelenaere | mt (logs): shouldn't FS #10182 get closed now that you've committed it? |
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| 15:36:39 | CIA-71 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r21701): * FS #10411 - Fixed point math code is bloated by Jeffrey Goode ... |
| 15:38:44 | mcuelenaere | hmm http://build.rockbox.org/new.cgi doesn't pick up commits automatically? |
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| 15:50:02 | Mikachu | mcuelenaere: nice delta :) |
| 15:51:18 | * | mcuelenaere wonders what the previous binsize increase of Blue_Dude's patch was |
| 15:51:48 | Mikachu | maybe it includes some big table in core that was previously in a plugin? |
| 15:56:23 | mcuelenaere | I don't think so, Blue_Dude #ifdef'd those out |
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| 15:56:46 | mcuelenaere | but I think the said that binsize should actually be decreased compared to before his patches |
| 15:56:58 | pondlife | Bagder: Are you reworking the build table? |
| 15:57:33 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: there's always the database from rasher.dk/rockbox/graphs/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/graphs/ |
| 15:57:40 | pondlife | Bagder: A possible inverted layout example: pondlife.homeip.net/images/BuildTableExample.ods">http://pondlife.homeip.net/images/BuildTableExample.ods |
| 15:57:57 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: ah, those clients still build? |
| 15:58:17 | gevaerts | yes |
| 15:58:42 | mcuelenaere | hmm wasn't there a Javascript version of that too? |
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| 16:00:59 | * | mcuelenaere thinks those graphs are a bit too small to interpret |
| 16:01:20 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: you're probably better off downloading the database from there |
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| 16:05:17 | * | mcuelenaere finds mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/rockbox_chart/">http://mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/rockbox_chart/ |
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| 16:14:39 | mcuelenaere | hmm binsize.db is 2 revisions behind current SVN |
| 16:16:54 | gevaerts | the website isn't updated constantly |
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| 16:21:12 | rasher | It's updated every couple of hours |
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| 16:22:39 | paulk | Hello! I've got a sansa e250 and I'm running ubuntu 9.04. I've connected the player to my computer and it doesn't mount. it is listed when I type lusb in a terminal. How can I mount the sansa ? |
| 16:23:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | paulk: Is the Sansa set to MSC mode? |
| 16:23:44 | paulk | yes, of course |
| 16:23:58 | rasher | Sounds like the dreaded libgphoto bug |
| 16:24:27 | paulk | Yes, i'm reading a forum that tells gphoto is teh problem |
| 16:24:30 | paulk | how can i fix it ? |
| 16:25:39 | paulk | well, i'm downloading the lastest version of gphoto |
| 16:32:11 | rasher | Maybe there should be a wiki page on this bug or something. Do we have a workaround, short of removing everything hal/gphoto related? gevaerts? |
| 16:33:20 | gevaerts | rasher: the only way I know of is to edit this fdi file, but remember that I've never actually seen this myself, as I don't use the thing |
| 16:33:33 | Llorean | AFAIK that's the only way that's been reported. |
| 16:34:06 | gevaerts | Or upgrade gphoto to some newer version. i don't know the best way to do that though |
| 16:34:40 | rasher | probably smarter to edit the .fdi |
| 16:34:45 | paulk | I've upgraded it |
| 16:34:46 | * | gevaerts thinks that removing hal is the best solution, but he's probably in a small and shrinking minority |
| 16:41:03 | * | gevaerts hears a coworker talk about running things on a redhat 7.2 box |
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| 16:47:16 | paulk | I've modified the .fdi |
| 16:48:35 | paulk | It works ! |
| 16:48:38 | paulk | great |
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| 16:51:21 | rasher | paulk: Would you mind writing a short explanation of what you did and create a wiki page for it? |
| 16:51:37 | paulk | Why not ? |
| 16:51:42 | rasher | paulk: or if that's too much bother, just write it on a pastebin and I'm sure someone else will |
| 16:51:49 | rasher | It's a rather common problem, unfortunately |
| 16:52:03 | rasher | Something like LibGphoto2Bug |
| 16:52:06 | paulk | I found the solution on : http://www.mattwoodward.com/blog/index.cfm?event=showEntry&entryId=E24FA790-C19F-4674-A6FE8AA9E5D8FE83 |
| 16:52:18 | paulk | « On Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty), however, I ran into an issue. When I plugged my e280 in with the USB mode set to MSC it would mount and then immediately unmount, and of course the Rockbox installer won't work unless the device is mounted. |
| 16:52:18 | paulk | There's a lot of information available about this problem and numerous potential solutions, but only one worked for me. Jaunty ships with a config file (specifically /usr/share/hal/fdi/preprobe/10osvendor/20-libgphoto2.fdi) that has a bunch of digital audio players "definitions" in it, and that was causing a conflict. Once I removed all the references to Sandisk players in that file, the Rockbox installer saw my e280 fine. » |
| 16:53:19 | paulk | I'll copy the solution in a wiki page |
| 16:53:31 | paulk | but my english is very bad... I'm french... |
| 16:53:36 | paulk | I'll try |
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| 16:54:42 | paulk | Where must i create the page ? |
| 16:56:24 | rasher | paulk: Just enter the address of the page as if it existed |
| 16:56:31 | rasher | And it'll prompt you to create the page |
| 16:56:52 | paulk | ok. |
| 16:57:00 | AlexP | Maybe he was wondering what to call the page? :) |
| 16:57:04 | paulk | what name for the page ? What i want ? |
| 16:57:09 | paulk | yes :) |
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| 16:57:21 | rasher | LibGphoto2Bug? |
| 16:57:22 | AlexP | I'm not sure |
| 16:57:38 | paulk | ok for LibGphoto2Bug |
| 16:57:48 | rasher | We can always move it |
| 16:58:36 | paulk | ok |
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| 17:00:32 | paulk | Do i have to create an account ? |
| 17:01:26 | rasher | Ah, yes indeed |
| 17:01:37 | paulk | ok |
| 17:03:52 | paulk | it tells me « Access check on TWiki.LibGphoto2Bug failed. Action "change": access not allowed on web. » |
| 17:05:07 | AlexP | paulk: Did you ask in here for write access? |
| 17:05:28 | paulk | maybe. I want to create my page ^^ |
| 17:05:54 | AlexP | I'll add you now - what is your wiki name? |
| 17:06:11 | paulk | PaulKocialkowski |
| 17:06:14 | paulk | thank-you |
| 17:07:08 | paulk | ok |
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| 17:07:15 | AlexP | paulk: OK, done. That doesn't sound very French :) |
| 17:07:44 | paulk | It's Polish |
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| 17:07:59 | paulk | what is %TOC% ? |
| 17:08:09 | n1s | table of contents |
| 17:08:26 | paulk | ok |
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| 17:17:46 | paulk_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LibGphoto2Bug |
| 17:18:04 | paulk_ | Please, correct my answers, i'm really bad at english |
| 17:21:10 | rasher | That's a good start at least |
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| 17:33:37 | rasher | paulk_: thanks, that should be helpful in the future |
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| 17:45:30 | robin0800 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LibGphoto2Bug the problem as stated is too broad and the slution is a hammer to crack a nut IMHO |
| 17:45:52 | * | robin0800 solution |
| 17:46:03 | * | GodEater agrees |
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| 18:28:20 | Hillshum | Is it necessary to unmount Samsas between installing the bootloader and the binary? |
| 18:31:24 | Hillshum | I copy them both over at the same time all the time. Works swell |
| 18:32:13 | bertrik | markun, has the tea5760 driver ever been tested? |
| 18:38:51 | mcuelenaere | rasher: is there a way to determine what the last build commit at rasher.dk/rockbox/graphs/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/graphs/ is? |
| 18:39:36 | domonoky | Hillshum: no, unmounting inbetween is not needed. |
| 18:40:18 | Hillshum | Should the instructions be changed then? (the ones in the test build post) |
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| 18:56:40 | rasher | mcuelenaere: Not sure what you mean by that? |
| 18:57:33 | mcuelenaere | there's nothing on that page indicating which revision the last build is? |
| 18:58:08 | rasher | Ah! That can be arranged |
| 18:58:27 | * | mcuelenaere doesn't feel like downloading the full db just to see which revision the last one is :) |
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| 19:00:54 | rasher | It will be there on the next update |
| 19:01:07 | mcuelenaere | ok thanks |
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| 19:03:01 | rasher | Which might be now, or in 4 hours.. I'm not sure if I managed it before 19:00 |
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| 19:04:51 | mcuelenaere | so it updates every 4 hours? |
| 19:05:23 | rasher | Actually not. It updates at 2,5,8,12,15,19,23 |
| 19:05:26 | rasher | Somewhat random |
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| 19:16:02 | bertrik | yay communication with the fm tuner chip in the meizu m3 works |
| 19:17:08 | bertrik | I reused the bit-banging generic_i2c driver that we also use for the si4700 |
| 19:18:22 | markun | good :) |
| 19:19:00 | markun | bertrik: shouldn't be long before you can hear the radio, right? |
| 19:20:22 | bertrik | with some luck, maybe tonight :) |
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| 19:20:43 | n00b81 | Good luck :) |
| 19:21:03 | mcuelenaere | bertrik: did you get codecs working? |
| 19:21:47 | bertrik | mcuelenaere, no, I'm still hacking in the bootloader, I guess codecs require a lot of support functions |
| 19:22:23 | mcuelenaere | bertrik: ah yes, the meizu's have no other storage except NAND, right? |
| 19:23:00 | markun | and 1MB NOR |
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| 19:23:07 | markun | at least for bertrik's player |
| 19:23:34 | mcuelenaere | heh, I suppose you *could* expose that over USB :) |
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| 19:23:49 | mcuelenaere | but I meant storage as in user storage |
| 19:23:59 | markun | mcuelenaere: but the firmware is stored there as well |
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| 19:52:01 | bertrik | markun, do you know what to do with the CONFIG_TUNER_XTAL setting in the tea5760uk driver? |
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| 20:05:02 | * | gevaerts misses total build time and client stats on http://build.rockbox.org/new.cgi |
| 20:05:40 | Bagder | yeah, I agree |
| 20:05:53 | Bagder | I'm very curious about those too |
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| 20:10:01 | * | bertrik already knows his builds are slow, if they complete at all |
| 20:10:30 | Bagder | I hope we'll be able to provide access to the db with build stats/info |
| 20:11:40 | gevaerts | Bagder: that would be great. If realtime access isn't possible, maybe a periodic dump? |
| 20:12:06 | Bagder | yeps |
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| 20:14:59 | Russel-Athletic | hiho |
| 20:15:17 | Hillshum | Russel-Athletic: hello |
| 20:15:17 | Russel-Athletic | sorry that i will ask a perhaps stupid question but i can't figure out how to do the following: |
| 20:15:38 | Hillshum | have you read the manual? |
| 20:16:06 | Russel-Athletic | i want to have a menu in my tagnavi_custom.config which shows me all files from a directory Test but in there i want the normal artist -> album -> title submenu |
| 20:16:15 | Russel-Athletic | i tried "Test" -> artist ? filename ~ "/Test" -> yearlabum -> title = "fmt_title" |
| 20:16:31 | Russel-Athletic | but this doesn't show me the entry in my database |
| 20:17:00 | Russel-Athletic | but my tagnavi_custom.config is displayed ( i have a podcast entry for example, which is shown) |
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| 20:41:13 | bertrik | markun, I see a lot of mismatches between the tea5760 driver code and the datasheet |
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| 20:43:01 | Russel-Athletic | if somebody answered me, could you please repeat it? i had a horrible lag spike and don't know what got out and what got in |
| 20:43:55 | Hillshum | Russel-Athletic: I didn't see anything, sorry, there's logs at rockbox.org/irc |
| 20:44:43 | Russel-Athletic | thanks |
| 20:46:29 | markun | bertrik: hm, sorry about that then |
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| 20:53:12 | bertrik | markun, I didn't mean to offend you or anything like that |
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| 20:59:22 | bertrik | yay, noise from the fm radio |
| 20:59:31 | markun | :) |
| 20:59:34 | markun | good work |
| 20:59:34 | n00b81 | nice :) |
| 20:59:35 | Hillshum | Is it tuned? |
| 20:59:47 | bertrik | no |
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| 21:00:40 | markun | is it easy to auto tune to the next channel? |
| 21:01:26 | bertrik | the chip can auto-tune, yes |
| 21:01:34 | bertrik | but it needs some settings to do that IIUC |
| 21:02:23 | bertrik | quite a few radio chips I've seen so far can do autonomous tuning, maybe we should add support for that in rockbox |
| 21:08:18 | * | Zagor wants a commit... |
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| 21:10:07 | amiconn | bertrik: In fact all chips except the oldest one can autotune, yet no target uses that |
| 21:10:17 | bertrik | boys and girls... we have radio on the meizu m3! |
| 21:10:23 | gevaerts | \☺/ |
| 21:10:29 | amiconn | Iirc someone tried autotuning at some point, and found that it wasn't working well |
| 21:10:34 | n00b81 | Nice |
| 21:10:43 | * | gevaerts thinks that the meizu m3 port is ready for release :) |
| 21:11:08 | JdGordon| | i tried doing autotune in software which sucked |
| 21:11:40 | n00b81 | Nice job, bertrik. It didn't take very long either :) |
| 21:11:51 | bertrik | first station tuned was radio Decibel, playing some "La la la la la" song by Kylie Minogue |
| 21:12:06 | JdGordon| | there is no accounting for taste is there :p |
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| 21:13:32 | bertrik | n00b81, a lot of code could be re-used, for example markun had already written the tea5760 driver, and I could re-use the i2c code |
| 21:13:47 | n00b81 | Nice |
| 21:14:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: Looking forward to all those nice Meizu M3 commits. :) |
| 21:14:25 | n00b81 | Looking forward to seeing RockBox on a 2g nano as well :) |
| 21:14:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | n00b81: That's going to take time. |
| 21:14:48 | n00b81 | Yup, I know. |
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| 21:15:04 | bertrik | there are probably a lot more potential developers with a 2g nano than with a meizu |
| 21:15:13 | * | LambdaCalculus37 holds his up :) |
| 21:15:20 | n00b81 | BTW, RAM officially dumped from a 2G. This will help with reversing the internals, etc. |
| 21:17:11 | bertrik | amiconn, I think it depends on the particular fm chip how well it works |
| 21:17:31 | AlexP | Are there buttons on the M3 yet? I can't rememebr |
| 21:17:57 | bertrik | I can't see any obvious reason why it would be worse than manual tuning, especially if the chip is designed to autotune |
| 21:18:15 | gevaerts | AlexP: I don't know if there is a proper driver, but we can read them all |
| 21:18:18 | bertrik | AlexP, AFAIK all buttons have been figured out, but there's no drive ryet |
| 21:18:25 | AlexP | Righto |
| 21:18:25 | gevaerts | i.e. all three of them :) |
| 21:18:29 | AlexP | yeah |
| 21:18:40 | AlexP | gevaerts: I rememeber us talking about keymapping a long time ago |
| 21:18:44 | Universal | cool |
| 21:18:46 | gevaerts | The manual for that one will be easy :) |
| 21:18:59 | gevaerts | PLA however... |
| 21:18:59 | AlexP | gevaerts: I think we decided to bin the quickscreen for a start :) |
| 21:19:20 | GodEater | the nano guys have finished dumping the RAM |
| 21:19:45 | Universal | so has the crypto been broken ? |
| 21:19:47 | Hillshum | That reminds me, is there a better way for the quickscreen on the Clip? Holding down doesn't work on lists |
| 21:20:14 | gevaerts | AlexP: I guess we'll need to drop a fair amount of plugins as well |
| 21:20:18 | GodEater | Universal: no |
| 21:20:28 | AlexP | gevaerts: I suspect so |
| 21:21:08 | gevaerts | It's really not going to be the most game-friendly DAP we support |
| 21:21:12 | Universal | cheers godeater do we know or suspect what chiper and bit are used ? |
| 21:21:26 | AlexP | gevaerts: Doom on it :) |
| 21:21:35 | gevaerts | AlexP: doom is doomed :) |
| 21:21:42 | AlexP | gevaerts: At least it'll be quick to build without doom, pacbox etc |
| 21:21:57 | n00b81 | Godeater: I already said that, haha |
| 21:22:21 | GodEater | n00b81: yeah, but no-one paid attention ;) |
| 21:22:28 | GodEater | Universal: chiper ? |
| 21:22:28 | gevaerts | AlexP: we have four directions : up and down are trivial, left is the third button, and we use hold for right :) |
| 21:22:37 | GodEater | do you mean cipher ? |
| 21:22:50 | Universal | crap yer |
| 21:22:53 | GodEater | if so, the strongest candidate is AES / 128 |
| 21:22:56 | n00b81 | btw, the key is most likely AES 128-bit. But we won't be able to get it - - unless with a hw hack |
| 21:22:59 | AlexP | gevaerts: Hmmm :) |
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| 21:23:17 | GodEater | n00b81: you mean the algorithm, the key can be anything ;) |
| 21:23:23 | Universal | how taxing is that for its soc ? |
| 21:23:27 | bertrik | n00b81, it's both encrypted and signed, right? |
| 21:23:36 | n00b81 | most likely |
| 21:23:48 | AlexP | gevaerts: There are four buttons really I guess - you can press in the middle of the pad |
| 21:23:48 | GodEater | Universal: not very, it uses hardware crypto |
| 21:24:31 | Universal | whats the likely hood of that ? |
| 21:24:43 | n00b81 | very likely :P |
| 21:24:44 | GodEater | the liklihood of what ? |
| 21:24:45 | gevaerts | AlexP: yes, but pure touch is not really handy. The gigabeat gets away with that by *only* doing touch |
| 21:25:01 | n00b81 | GodEater: I think he means the likely hood of it being in hw |
| 21:25:09 | AlexP | gevaerts: You mean have the three + slide up and down? |
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| 21:25:20 | Universal | hadware crypto |
| 21:25:23 | bertrik | AlexP, the touch strip gives a position, also the <> button is touch sensitive |
| 21:25:30 | GodEater | Universal: we're near certain of it |
| 21:25:38 | Universal | quite costly |
| 21:25:45 | AlexP | bertrik, gevaerts: I'm just looking what the OF does again |
| 21:25:48 | gevaerts | AlexP: I don't know. This will need a lot of experimentation |
| 21:26:11 | AlexP | Ah yes, >> has both touch + click |
| 21:26:15 | gevaerts | The OF does much less than what we want to do I think |
| 21:26:25 | AlexP | So I guess we can have long for both of those too |
| 21:26:27 | GodEater | Universal: what do you mean "costly" ? |
| 21:26:43 | AlexP | gevaerts: For sure |
| 21:26:46 | Universal | hardware cypto is costly |
| 21:26:52 | bertrik | AlexP, yeah I wondered what to use for left/right |
| 21:27:07 | saratoga | hardware is cheap |
| 21:27:12 | gevaerts | AlexP: yes, but I fear you'll have to drop short touch then |
| 21:27:21 | GodEater | Universal: in what way ? |
| 21:27:33 | AlexP | gevaerts: Yeah, I think it has to be one thing for touch only |
| 21:27:34 | bertrik | the OF uses M as the DO-NOT-WANT/escape/cancel/back button and PLAY as the WANT/PLAY/yes/GO/select button as far as I can tell |
| 21:27:40 | AlexP | Unless it is very long |
| 21:28:28 | * | gevaerts votes for re-wiring the thing and adding extra buttons |
| 21:28:29 | Universal | as in price (well that what my teacher in uni told me) |
| 21:28:29 | AlexP | So we have touch and click on <>, click at the top and bottom of the pad, and then position on touch on the pad. The OF uses touch on the pad to have a top, middle and bottom "button", and then slide |
| 21:28:51 | GodEater | Universal: it can't be that pricey, or ipods would be unaffordable |
| 21:29:11 | Universal | good piont |
| 21:29:33 | bertrik | the bottom part of the strip (over the play button) doesn't seem to do much w.r.t. position |
| 21:29:59 | bertrik | maybe that's just a setting though |
| 21:30:11 | pixelma | AlexP: how do you differentiat between touch and click on the same "button" (if you "click" you will also "touch", or?) |
| 21:30:19 | gevaerts | there are some settings for the touchpad |
| 21:30:37 | AlexP | pixelma: A good question - I guess there needs to be some sort of delay |
| 21:31:05 | gevaerts | morse input for buttons? |
| 21:31:23 | AlexP | pixelma: That is what the OF does - if you touch for a second or two without clicking it only then interprets it as a touch |
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| 21:31:37 | AlexP | I guess we do it on "end of touch" |
| 21:31:38 | Universal | so whats your piot of attack godeater ? |
| 21:31:52 | AlexP | pixelma: So if you remove your finger without clicking, then it is a touch |
| 21:32:28 | AlexP | So no differentiation between long and short touch, just for clicks |
| 21:33:10 | AlexP | Yeah, the OF uses removing the finger as the trigger for the middle "button" |
| 21:33:28 | gevaerts | we could do gestures on the slider |
| 21:33:37 | AlexP | up and down? :) |
| 21:33:49 | gevaerts | or down-up-down, ... |
| 21:33:53 | pixelma | long and short "touch" would also require a stable enough touch pad driver (from what I heard H10 and M:Robe100 don't work well) |
| 21:33:54 | domonoky | up-down-up to resume music :-) |
| 21:34:29 | pixelma | I imagine |
| 21:35:07 | * | gevaerts thinks we should send one of the things to pixelma so she can stop complaining about the c200 being hard to do button maps for ;) |
| 21:36:26 | AlexP | pixelma: Good job on the plugin stuff incidently :) |
| 21:36:27 | pixelma | yay? Although that isn't given... for example, I think that the Ondio has a quite nice key mapping despite being short on buttons |
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| 21:36:46 | pixelma | no quickscreen though ;) |
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| 21:37:23 | pixelma | AlexP: thanks... I even copied your kaymap typo in the commit message! ;) |
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| 21:38:22 | AlexP | pixelma: excellent :) |
| 21:39:36 | pixelma | and left out one thing which is jackpot.tex ... your changes there made me notice that it still only was included in the Player's manual and need to prepare a change in main.tex too and wanted to commit on its own |
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| 21:40:18 | AlexP | ah right |
| 21:40:52 | saratoga | Universal: encryption hardware for decoding AES is extremely cheap |
| 21:42:37 | Universal | my teacher is kinda old |
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| 21:48:33 | GodEater | so, the memdump is available to those in the know :) |
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| 22:06:35 | lee321987 | does the e200v1 have more RAM, and/or a faster CPU than the c200v1? |
| 22:06:58 | pixelma | neither |
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| 22:13:07 | redriot | could someone help me ? |
| 22:13:44 | pixelma | maybe, if you tell us your problem and it is related to Rockbox... ;) |
| 22:13:59 | redriot | i just got the source from the SVN, and am a bit confused what to do next. im trying to install on a gigabeat S |
| 22:14:15 | martian67 | .-. |
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| 22:15:55 | redriot | ? |
| 22:15:56 | domonoky | redriot: did you see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInstallation ? |
| 22:16:32 | redriot | yes but that doesnt help when your trying to compile a SNV bootloader |
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| 22:18:41 | domonoky | take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
| 22:18:53 | domonoky | its all in the wiki, just search a bit.. |
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| 22:19:51 | gevaerts | You may have some problems though. The gigabeat s installation is not exactly foolproof yet |
| 22:22:03 | redriot | :/ |
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| 22:24:06 | redriot | what does this mean ? /bin/sh: arm-elf-gcc: not found |
| 22:24:19 | Overand | redriot: You're missing the cross-compiler toolchain. |
| 22:24:24 | Overand | (Sounds like, anyway) |
| 22:25:30 | redriot | :/ where can i get it ? |
| 22:25:40 | * | domonoky points at the wiki |
| 22:27:19 | domonoky | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide should link to everything needed... |
| 22:30:07 | redriot | thanks |
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| 23:04:16 | low_light | bertrik: do you have the as3514 datasheet? can you tell me what the register AS3514_PLLMODE is? |
| 23:06:16 | bertrik | low_light, can't find it right now, will look some more |
| 23:06:36 | Bagder | low_light: don't you have that datasheet? |
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| 23:07:22 | bertrik | register 0x1D? |
| 23:07:36 | low_light | Bagder: no. I have the the as3525, but that register seem to be different |
| 23:07:46 | low_light | bertrik: yes 1D |
| 23:08:57 | bertrik | it's a 2-bit register that specifies the range of the LRCK clock signal, < 24 kHz or > 24 kHz |
| 23:10:12 | low_light | The SA9200 sets it for <24kHz. If it's >24kHz there's clicking whenever the ADC is read |
| 23:10:43 | bertrik | LRCK is a clock signal with a frequency of the sample rate that indicates when left and right audio is sent over the IIS digital audio interface |
| 23:11:02 | Bagder | low_light: see PM |
| 23:12:00 | redriot | could someone take a look at this error message i get when sending the nk.bin file to my gigabeat ? |
| 23:12:12 | redriot | http://pastebin.com/m46d876f3 |
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| 23:14:52 | CIA-71 | New commit by zagor (r21702): Abort on svn failure. |
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| 23:17:34 | redriot | anyione ? |
| 23:17:55 | markun | redriot: no idea. Hope someone else can help you there. |
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| 23:18:19 | low_light | bertrik: so should it be set to >24kHz for 44.1kHz audio? It sounds fine set to <24kHz |
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| 23:19:57 | tmzt | redriot: does lsusb still see the device? anything interesting in dmesg? |
| 23:20:39 | redriot | let me check |
| 23:21:12 | bertrik | low_light, I'm not familiar with this part of the codec, but I think it should be set >24 kHz for 44.1 kHz audio |
| 23:22:26 | redriot | tmzt lsusb sees "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0930:0010 Toshiba Corp. Gigabeat S (mtp)" |
| 23:22:46 | bertrik | in the uda1380 codec there are similar settings, I think they are used to configure a PLL that creates some multiple of the sample rate |
| 23:22:46 | tmzt | ok, no errors in dmesg? |
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| 23:24:20 | redriot | tmzt doesnt look like it... "sudo fdisk -l" doesnt see the device |
| 23:24:39 | tmzt | it won't, it's not a disk |
| 23:24:48 | tmzt | it's in mtp mode |
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| 23:25:32 | low_light | bertrik: ok thanks |
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| 23:25:55 | redriot | tmzt, ok but how tdo i get the contents of the .rockbox folder on the main partition ? |
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| 23:26:38 | tmzt | through mtp, I can only really help you with the usb problem, I don't know gigabeat |
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| 23:32:57 | redriot02 | ok i mounted the main partition but now it says i cant copy or move anything to it |
| 23:33:02 | redriot02 | im on ubuntu |
| 23:36:06 | tmzt | how did you mount it? |
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| 23:39:45 | redriot02 | well its officially fucked |
| 23:40:03 | redriot02 | after reboot it shows me a screen that says " |
| 23:40:39 | redriot02 | "1 connect the portable center to a media pc" |
| 23:40:50 | tmzt | you're going to have to talk to someone familiar with gigabeat then |
| 23:42:05 | Torne | redriot02: you've done something it doesn't like and it's reformatted itself |
| 23:42:16 | Torne | redriot02: you need to send it a new firmware |
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| 23:51:25 | Bagder | Zagor: we should probably get an average for the build-scores read to use in case we get a build without an added score |
| 23:52:11 | redriot02 | Torne |
| 23:52:21 | Zagor | Bagder: read = ready? |
| 23:52:35 | redriot02 | in usb mode i have partition 1 mounted, and it contains nk.bin |
| 23:52:55 | redriot02 | in partition 2 i have the .rockbox folder, and its contents |
| 23:52:56 | Bagder | Zagor: if you wish ;-) it can also just be cut out |
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| 23:53:21 | redriot02 | when i type fdisk -l.... it shows me the gigabeat... but |
| 23:53:24 | Zagor | Bagder: flexible writing, i like it :) |
| 23:53:28 | Torne | redriot02: if you can mount it like that then you are in the rockbox bootloader or in rockbox itself |
| 23:53:35 | redriot02 | Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 23:53:37 | Bagder | the new build table looks funny with borders around some title images |
| 23:53:48 | gevaerts | redriot02: *don't* change the partition table |
| 23:53:54 | redriot02 | same with partition 2, Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 23:53:57 | Torne | but if you get the screen that says "1 connect the portable.." that's the flash rom telling you it doesn't like something and it wants to have its firmware reinstalled |
| 23:54:04 | Torne | cylinder boundaries aren't important |
| 23:54:19 | Zagor | Bagder: ah yes, it's my "hidden" downloads test. do we want those? (without borders) |
| 23:54:27 | redriot02 | Torne, ive seen message screen 1 2 and 3 |
| 23:54:48 | Bagder | ah, that's what it means... |
| 23:54:51 | redriot02 | ok right now its mounted.. what is the next step i should take |
| 23:55:00 | Bagder | Zagor: how about just a different bg color/shade ? |
| 23:55:05 | Torne | are you in the rockbox bootloader? what does it say on the screen? |
| 23:55:08 | Zagor | the links were unintended. reload now. |
| 23:55:37 | Zagor | uh, no... |
| 23:55:40 | Bagder | still there ff3 |
| 23:56:00 | redriot02 | Torne: its a black screen that says Bootloader USB Mode |
| 23:56:08 | Torne | redriot02: yes. so you've installed the bootloader correctly |
| 23:56:12 | Zagor | now |
| 23:56:25 | Torne | if you've put .rockbox on partition 2 that's it |
| 23:56:34 | Torne | unmount the device |
| 23:56:40 | Torne | when you disconnect the cable it should reboot into rockbox |
| 23:56:58 | redriot02 | ok let me try |
| 23:57:19 | CIA-71 | New commit by bertrik (r21703): Meizu: implement i2c for the meizu fmradio and update the tea5760 tuner driver |
| 23:57:22 | Torne | if not then unfortunately the bootrom has taken offense at something you've done and it'll merrily reformat itself and ask to have a new firmware downloaded :) |
| 23:57:24 | gevaerts | make sure you unmount both partitions |
| 23:57:45 | redriot02 | ok unmounting now |
| 23:57:51 | Torne | (coincidentally i am looking at the exact bit of code that displays those screens atm) :) |
| 23:57:56 | redriot02 | then pull USB cable or power ? |
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| 23:58:00 | Torne | just the usb cable |
| 23:58:05 | Torne | it should reboot by itself shortly after |
| 23:58:25 | redriot02 | trying now |
| 23:58:52 | Zagor | devcon attendees, please mail me your travel and accomodation expenses if you want to claim the rockbox fund refund |
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