| 00:00:05 | * | bertrik spots the same RTC in the samsung YP-S3 as in the meizus |
| 00:00:14 | B4gder | do we really need all the samsung YH to build sims? |
| 00:00:24 | gevaerts | bertrik: it's not the same LCD as well by any chance? |
| 00:00:32 | krazykit | are we playing the "who can get the slowest build client" game? |
| 00:00:44 | B4gder | krazykit: its a great game! |
| 00:00:57 | DerPapst | cygwin anyone? :P |
| 00:00:59 | * | krazykit ties rasher with an nslu2 |
| 00:01:01 | gevaerts | krazykit: "the slowest build client that still manages builds" |
| 00:01:09 | gevaerts | DerPapst: rasher is on it :) |
| 00:01:16 | * | stripwax considers adding his nslu2 too but it's on the blink :( |
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| 00:01:39 | * | gevaerts could try to revive his cygwin-in-wine setup |
| 00:01:48 | DerPapst | sick :D |
| 00:02:18 | Zagor | cygwin and VMs is cheating |
| 00:02:39 | stripwax | gevaerts - would this not build on nslu2? why not |
| 00:02:42 | gevaerts | true. Let me see if I can underclock this arm |
| 00:02:45 | CIA-69 | New commit by amiconn (r21888): Gigabeat S can do dithered YUV blitting too, so put it into the plugin API and enable it in mpegplayer. |
| 00:03:14 | gevaerts | stripwax: I think RAM is going to be a real problem on those |
| 00:03:24 | stripwax | they've got swap .. |
| 00:03:43 | gevaerts | they also have only five minutes to finish a bootloader |
| 00:04:42 | * | B4gder just added his laptop |
| 00:08:02 | pingosimon | whoah this is nuts |
| 00:08:25 | gevaerts | 334 seconds. Not bad |
| 00:08:26 | pingosimon | I have the current build back on this ipod, and touching the wheel while it's connected to USB turned the volume down on my computer |
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| 00:08:52 | pingosimon | it's still not showing up on the mac |
| 00:09:01 | DerPapst | rockbox is teh hax0r |
| 00:09:08 | pingosimon | ya srsly |
| 00:09:11 | gevaerts | pingosimon: yes. That's a new feture, and it's what's interfering with storage on older OS X |
| 00:09:19 | pingosimon | ah ok |
| 00:09:35 | gevaerts | If you don't want it, there's the hold switch :) |
| 00:09:41 | pingosimon | well I think the verdict is: USB doesn't work |
| 00:09:50 | gevaerts | ok. Thanks for testing |
| 00:10:12 | pingosimon | even witht he hold switch on, I press the vollume up key ont he keyboard, and it immediatlly gets pulled back down to mute |
| 00:10:50 | gevaerts | hm, it shouldn't do that... |
| 00:11:00 | B4gder | 334 seconds is nice |
| 00:11:04 | amiconn | Whoa, weird failure on another mac build box :\ |
| 00:11:18 | gevaerts | but anyway that's probably secondary to the problem that you don't get the disk |
| 00:11:31 | pingosimon | yeh |
| 00:11:48 | pingosimon | oh well, it's not a huge deal to just boot up in original firmware when I need to add files |
| 00:12:05 | stripwax | Ok so official build does work, but my local clean build with no usb patches gives me data abort at 000773f0 on connect. has anything changed recently that means I need a newer binutils or anything like that? |
| 00:12:30 | gevaerts | we will fix this, but it's not clear to me yet what the best approach will be |
| 00:12:55 | gevaerts | pingosimon: by the way, what's the easiest way to get the OS X version? |
| 00:12:56 | amiconn | Bagder, Zagor: Freontpage doesn't update anymore? |
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| 00:13:20 | pingosimon | you mean, how do download it, or how to get it on the ipod? |
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| 00:13:32 | gevaerts | pingosimon: no. How to find out what it is |
| 00:13:42 | pingosimon | oh which version of OS X I'm running? |
| 00:13:51 | gevaerts | in case people show up with the same problem |
| 00:13:53 | gevaerts | yes |
| 00:14:12 | pingosimon | the apple menu is in the top left of the screen, from that menu click "About this mac" |
| 00:14:19 | gevaerts | ah ok. Thanks |
| 00:14:23 | pingosimon | yep! |
| 00:14:24 | CIA-69 | New commit by amiconn (r21889): Apply some ARMv6 optimisations to YUV blitting. Speeds up mpegplayer on Gigabeat S by ~2% in undithered and ~7.5% in dithered mode. |
| 00:14:27 | pingosimon | thank you for all your help |
| 00:14:57 | gevaerts | pixelma: I'm pretty sure this is the same problem you're seeing, but I'd still like to know your osx version |
| 00:15:29 | gevaerts | pingosimon: thank you. I was actually trying to find out more about this very problem, and getting more data is very helpful! |
| 00:15:38 | pingosimon | woo! |
| 00:15:52 | pingosimon | did you get all the info you need? |
| 00:16:32 | gevaerts | yes. At least I can't think of anything more |
| 00:16:42 | pingosimon | cool |
| 00:22:25 | gevaerts | lImbusOnMac seems to have a broken toolchain |
| 00:22:50 | Zagor | gevaerts: indeed |
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| 00:23:54 | amiconn | Zagor: The two additional builds shift the lower lines in an incorrect way |
| 00:23:59 | B4gder | and shows the need for us to be able to filter/reject specific clients |
| 00:24:02 | amiconn | This used to work in the old system... |
| 00:24:08 | Zagor | amiconn: fixed |
| 00:24:42 | gevaerts | B4gder: yes. This bad toolchain is a good thing! |
| 00:24:47 | CIA-69 | New commit by zagor (r21890): Missed pushing empty cells. |
| 00:25:11 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 00:28:41 | * | gevaerts suspects that the slow client cutoff value needs more tuning |
| 00:29:09 | Zagor | gevaerts: can you benchmark the new targets and update the scores? |
| 00:29:28 | gevaerts | ah, yes |
| 00:29:48 | B4gder | I'll add a few more too |
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| 00:32:10 | CIA-69 | New commit by bagder (r21891): Added three simulator builds: Samsung YH-820/920/925 |
| 00:32:31 | B4gder | 114 builds and counting |
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| 00:36:44 | amiconn | Zagor: Hmm, the reconnect at end of each round seems to be back |
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| 00:37:20 | Zagor | amiconn: yes. overall there is something fishy with the ping handling. I just can't put my finger on it. |
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| 00:43:18 | CIA-69 | New commit by zagor (r21892): Removed bogomips. Added client blocking. |
| 00:44:42 | * | gevaerts finds that the -j value matters when benchmarking to assign a score |
| 00:45:23 | Zagor | oh really? :) |
| 00:45:42 | JdGordon| | not really... as long as you are consistant... |
| 00:45:53 | gevaerts | I'm not looking at wall clock time, so it really shouldn't make any difference |
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| 00:49:01 | CIA-69 | New commit by gevaerts (r21893): add calibrated scores for sa9200, yh_820, yh_920 and yh_925 sim builds. sa9200 bootloader still needs to be done, but it needs to be buildable first |
| 00:49:58 | gevaerts | Zagor: actually, if I don't use -j, scores are lower |
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| 00:51:58 | DerPapst | moo |
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| 00:55:57 | CIA-69 | New commit by gevaerts (r21894): Add documentation on how the build scores were obtained, so further targets can be calibrated using exactly the same procedure |
| 00:58:04 | gevaerts | Zagor: if you ever want a fresh set of scores (maybe we want this every few months?), the entire run on my 8-core server took about an hour |
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| 01:04:20 | Zagor | build table is now compacted |
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| 01:07:43 | amiconn | Zagor: Does that also expand columns with missing builds? |
| 01:08:02 | * | gevaerts isn't sure if he likes this compact view |
| 01:09:00 | amiconn | The columns could probably be hidden by means of css, and we could have a link that unhides/rehides them |
| 01:09:30 | JdGordon| | this new version is just damn wierd! :) |
| 01:09:43 | Zagor | amiconn: good idea |
| 01:11:22 | amiconn | There's at least one reason where you need to see green columns: if there is some unexpected binsize delta, you might want to check which clients built the builds in question |
| 01:12:11 | Zagor | yes, all data must naturally still be available. the compact is just for easier "casual" viewing |
| 01:12:16 | gevaerts | hm, we actually lost that information... |
| 01:12:27 | gevaerts | The logs don't mention the client name |
| 01:12:44 | Zagor | it's still in the "hover" information on the links |
| 01:12:51 | Zagor | as it was |
| 01:13:07 | Zagor | but we'll add it to the logs too |
| 01:13:13 | Zagor | just not tonight :) |
| 01:13:36 | DerPapst | nighty night :) |
| 01:13:36 | Zagor | i've reverted to the full table now. I'll do a css solution later. |
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| 01:14:11 | gevaerts | ah ok |
| 01:14:22 | * | gevaerts never spotted that |
| 01:14:55 | gevaerts | In my position as a grapher-of-everything, I actually also want more detailed timing data! |
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| 01:16:09 | * | JdGordon| thinks all time build counts and stats would be fun to have also |
| 01:16:11 | Zagor | gevaerts: more detailed than to the second? |
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| 01:16:44 | gevaerts | Zagor: not more accurate, but broken down into separate build and upload times |
| 01:16:45 | Zagor | JdGordon|: yes, my plan is to store "everything" in the database and let the graph guys access it directly |
| 01:16:49 | amiconn | The new system doesn't have timestamps anymore |
| 01:17:01 | gevaerts | but yes, I can wait for the database |
| 01:17:06 | Zagor | amiconn: timestamps? |
| 01:17:20 | JdGordon| | Zagor: cool |
| 01:17:21 | amiconn | The old table had timestamps at the left instead of svn revisions |
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| 01:17:47 | Zagor | amiconn: yes. revision is much better. |
| 01:18:02 | amiconn | Rev is shorter, but I can't just check that table now in order to find out what happened during the night |
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| 01:19:10 | amiconn | I need to check frontpage first, memorise the first revision of interest, and then go to the build table. Or I need to remember what the last revision I've seen was |
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| 01:19:35 | amiconn | And there's no indication that a build is in progress |
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| 01:21:09 | * | linuxstb would like to see both timestamps and revisions in the build table - they're both useful... |
| 01:21:11 | Zagor | I'm off to bed. Good night all. |
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| 01:21:43 | * | gevaerts agrees with linuxstb. He really missed the revision in the old system |
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| 01:23:08 | amiconn | Perhaps timestamps when hovering over the revision? |
| 01:25:38 | gevaerts | that should work |
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| 01:29:37 | lImbus | g'evening |
| 01:29:45 | lImbus | lImbusOnMac broken toolchain ? |
| 01:30:12 | gevaerts | apparently, yes |
| 01:30:38 | lImbus | anybody else building on OS X ? |
| 01:31:18 | * | JdGordon| attempted to |
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| 01:32:44 | lImbus | which build did fail ? |
| 01:32:46 | lImbus | on me |
| 01:33:54 | JdGordon| | m3 sim |
| 01:35:09 | lImbus | then it's probably sdl-stuff |
| 01:35:52 | JdGordon| | and ondiofm sim... yeah, probably just remove the sdl builds from that client |
| 01:36:04 | gevaerts | lImbus: http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=21888;type=iaudiom3sim and http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=21889;type=ondiofmsim |
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| 01:37:26 | lImbus | that would be great. I'm not yet so savvy of GNU on OS X and about to leave for holiday |
| 01:38:04 | JdGordon| | remove ,sdl from runclient.sh |
| 01:39:21 | lImbus | ah, well, sure |
| 01:39:24 | lImbus | me stupid |
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| 01:41:05 | lImbus | done |
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| 01:41:41 | lImbus | could I be reincluded (aka un-(temporarily disabled)) ? |
| 01:42:32 | TheSeven | "Boot Ver. r21884:21886M-09071" - including a nice logo - on my nano 2g display! linuxstb made it work! |
| 01:43:56 | JdGordon| | wooo! |
| 01:44:04 | gevaerts | Good news! |
| 01:44:28 | TheSeven | however, still only one half of the nanos works |
| 01:44:42 | TheSeven | they have different lcds *grr* |
| 01:44:43 | gevaerts | still more than last week |
| 01:45:10 | JdGordon| | damn impressive to get it going so quick after the exploit was figured out |
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| 01:45:45 | gevaerts | I guess the fact that the nano2g is a clone of the meizu m3 helps :) |
| 01:46:20 | TheSeven | yep, it does, at least for the display part |
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| 01:46:35 | TheSeven | and that the other half of it is a clone of the iphone also helps a lot |
| 01:47:04 | TheSeven | even though we worked out the lcd using a disassembly, and only realized later that it's the same as on meizu |
| 01:47:37 | JdGordon| | lImbus: just restart your client I'd guess... |
| 01:47:56 | lImbus | 2009-07-16 01:47:45 Server message: Hello lImbusOnMac-lImbus. Your build client has been temporarily disabled by the administrators. Please go to #rockbox to find out why. |
| 01:48:11 | JdGordon| | haha, ok, rename it? |
| 01:48:25 | gevaerts | or just mail Zagor and Bagder |
| 01:51:01 | kugel | TheSeven: Awesome, really. Great work |
| 01:53:14 | lImbus | rename is indeed the most simple solution |
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| 01:53:20 | lImbus | done, waiting for commit :) |
| 01:53:51 | JdGordon| | you might want to email them (or the dev ml) anyway so we dont end up later on having a heap of disabled clients |
| 01:54:02 | JdGordon| | you certainly wont be the last to be disabled |
| 01:55:49 | lImbus | it says "temporarily" :) |
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| 01:56:01 | lImbus | no, sure, i'll mail |
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| 01:57:29 | * | gevaerts wonders if the blacklist shouldn't simply be a file in svn that's updated by the master before every build. That way, every dev could disable clients when needed |
| 01:58:06 | JdGordon| | that makes things easier |
| 01:58:21 | lImbus | sounds neat but, it probably is already a temporary, non commited change in the build server script |
| 01:59:00 | JdGordon| | yes, but ideally the system should be able to stay working even if the swedes disappear for weeks on end... |
| 01:59:08 | lImbus | :) |
| 01:59:37 | lImbus | the already running buildserver, invoked by the commit-hook would then update another file and continue procedure |
| 01:59:38 | * | gevaerts looks |
| 01:59:39 | lImbus | sure, why not |
| 01:59:57 | gevaerts | Apparently the blocking is implemented as a table in the database |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:26 | lImbus | aha |
| 02:00:26 | gevaerts | so presumably selected others could get access to it |
| 02:00:26 | CIA-69 | New commit by dave (r21895): Working LCD driver for half the Nano2Gs. It now appears that there are two types of LCD though. |
| 02:01:20 | gevaerts | That table actually gets filled automatically by "No space left on device" |
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| 02:02:26 | JdGordon| | if thats the only case, we shuold get the client to do a df so it can be cleared |
| 02:02:54 | kugel | weeh, nice, new build system is live |
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| 02:06:04 | * | gevaerts suspects that the server is a bit more spammy than intended |
| 02:07:55 | gevaerts | is that Lambda's mac? |
| 02:08:11 | gevaerts | ah no, roolku |
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| 02:08:52 | rokrv3 | I have a question. |
| 02:09:17 | kugel | gevaerts: I missed the party :( what compacted view did you talk about? |
| 02:09:28 | kugel | I also don't like that the targets aren't sorted at all anymore |
| 02:09:36 | rokrv3 | is Rockbox working on Sansa Fuze V3? |
| 02:09:48 | kugel | v3? |
| 02:09:56 | gevaerts | kugel: at one point the table had only columns for targets that had at least one yellow or red |
| 02:09:59 | rokrv3 | the latest version of the Sansa Fuze. |
| 02:10:14 | kugel | oh nice |
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| 02:10:40 | kugel | that should definitely be an option imo |
| 02:10:46 | gevaerts | it will be |
| 02:11:24 | kugel | but the table really should be sorted :( |
| 02:11:30 | rokrv3 | So I'm guessing not at this moment? |
| 02:11:33 | lImbus | rokrv3: we have not yet heard of a v3 |
| 02:12:11 | roolku | gevaerts: interesting warnings. :) |
| 02:12:16 | rokrv3 | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/sandisk-sansa-fuze-15.jpg |
| 02:12:20 | rokrv3 | that one. |
| 02:12:25 | rokrv3 | maybe i'm wrong on the version. |
| 02:12:43 | * | roolku takes his client out as to not spoils the build table |
| 02:12:45 | kugel | possibly |
| 02:12:49 | CIA-69 | New commit by dave (r21896): The S5L8701 has the LCD controller in a different place. |
| 02:12:49 | lImbus | well, if you don't know, how can we know ? |
| 02:12:51 | lImbus | :) |
| 02:12:52 | gevaerts | roolku: is this a mac? |
| 02:13:07 | rokrv3 | does anybody know which version that is :S |
| 02:13:21 | roolku | gevaerts: no cygwin. was more a test really on my desktop |
| 02:13:34 | gevaerts | ah, cygwin does that as well? Interesting |
| 02:13:52 | kugel | linuxstb: wasn't that CONFIG_CPU == XX at some point? I've never seen an #ifdef on the CPU I think |
| 02:14:25 | gevaerts | rokrv3: we know what a fuze is, but that sort of picture is really not helpful in telling the version |
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| 02:14:55 | linuxstb | kugel: Oops... |
| 02:15:03 | rokrv3 | how can i tell the version then =/ |
| 02:15:47 | * | linuxstb just wants to test the new build system... |
| 02:18:16 | lImbus | thanks for your help mates, I really need to go to bed now. see you.. |
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| 02:18:31 | rokrv3 | gevaerts: is there a way of telling my version? |
| 02:18:46 | gevaerts | rokrv3: I don't know. I don't have a fuze |
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| 02:19:22 | rokrv3 | gevaerts: is there any progress on the fuze? |
| 02:19:42 | CIA-69 | New commit by dave (r21897): Oops, r21896 used the wrong #if check. Thanks to Thomas Martitz for spotting |
| 02:21:36 | kugel | rokrv3: there's the wiki and the forum offering all information we have |
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| 02:28:32 | linuxstb | http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5876/1001994.jpg |
| 02:29:04 | krazykit | focus! |
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| 02:29:19 | linuxstb | It wasn't me... |
| 02:29:26 | linuxstb | Or rather, the photo wasn't me... |
| 02:29:30 | scorche | krazykit: it is focused....on the speaker in the background... |
| 02:30:06 | gevaerts | Even the early AMS sansa pictures had better focus! |
| 02:30:43 | linuxstb | Blame thon0925 in #linux4nano-dev... ;) |
| 02:30:55 | n00b81 | Hey |
| 02:31:00 | n00b81 | thats a great Pic ;) |
| 02:31:05 | n00b81 | it serves its purpose. |
| 02:31:44 | gevaerts | What purpose? Giving us headaches? :) |
| 02:32:03 | JdGordon| | hahaha fffooocccuuuesss |
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| 02:32:31 | linuxstb | As scorche said, the speaker at the back is in perfect focus... |
| 02:33:22 | n00b81 | I think the important part is that you can see something other than Apple-made booting on an iPod 2g nano, fuzzy or not :-D |
| 02:34:23 | linuxstb | n00b81: You can see that? ;) |
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| 02:34:34 | n00b81 | Actually I can :) |
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| 02:36:38 | funman | congrats for those hacking the nano2g |
| 02:38:53 | CIA-69 | New commit by dave (r21898): Correct the bmp2rb option for native bitmaps on the Nano2G |
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| 02:40:39 | funman | Bagder: can you add c200v2 to the builds ? i'm not sure to understand the last field of the "builds" file |
| 02:41:22 | funman | it seems to be the "calibrated" build score |
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| 02:41:43 | gevaerts | funman: it is |
| 02:42:19 | funman | gevaerts: so we need to add it first, then correct the build score afterwards? |
| 02:42:27 | CIA-69 | New commit by gevaerts (r21899): Only go to the speculative build phase once per round |
| 02:43:42 | gevaerts | funman: either that, or I can get the score first and then either tell Bagder or commit the builds file myself |
| 02:44:32 | * | gevaerts unfortunately can only commit a fix for the spammyness, but he can't restart the server |
| 02:44:47 | funman | gevaerts: would be could if you cool do that |
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| 02:50:01 | linuxstb | Courtesy of TheSeven for all you complainers... http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6335/img9088.jpg |
| 02:50:40 | n00b81 | complainers? :P |
| 02:51:17 | gevaerts | linuxstb: that was constructive criticism! |
| 02:51:27 | gevaerts | And it worked! |
| 02:51:37 | funman | the svn revision looks faked |
| 02:51:56 | gevaerts | funman: just a partial update |
| 02:52:55 | funman | oh ok |
| 02:55:20 | funman | I can't find code which uses ACMD13 on SD cards in the 3 SD drivers in rockbox and in linux 2.6.30.1 |
| 02:57:05 | CIA-69 | New commit by dave (r21900): Get the Nano2G bootloader running - it now runs and displays a logo on one type of Nano2G LCD. |
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| 03:00:00 | funman | perhaps I can tweak the linux driver for my card reader |
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| 03:03:59 | fluidpusher | is anyone here that can help me with my Gigabeat f10? |
| 03:04:13 | linuxstb | fluidpusher: Probably - just ask your question. |
| 03:05:21 | fluidpusher | ok....I love rockbox. But I keep getting a random "recharge battery" screen on bootup. Its pesky, but not harmful. Searching forums brings nothing.....what gives? |
| 03:06:03 | funman | even if the battery is fully charged? |
| 03:06:08 | fluidpusher | yep |
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| 03:06:51 | fluidpusher | hold....lemme get my revision # of the build |
| 03:08:05 | fluidpusher | r20135-090227 |
| 03:08:44 | linuxstb | That message sounds like it's from Toshiba's firmware though, so it doesn't seem related to Rockbox (or Rockbox revision) |
| 03:09:38 | funman | also it's always better to update to the latest current build when reporting bugs (you can keep a copy of your .rockbox folder if you want to go backwards) |
| 03:09:47 | fluidpusher | hrmmmm.....you know....that sounds right. is there some firmware file that I haven't commented out? maybe? |
| 03:09:57 | FlynDice | funman: have you looked at ACMD 51 for the scr register? |
| 03:10:44 | fluidpusher | yeah....I was gonna update it today....I'm no developer....so I don't update daily....sorry |
| 03:10:49 | cg_ | build server seems to be in an endless speculative building loop |
| 03:11:26 | fluidpusher | I love all the work you all have been putting into rockbox. |
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| 03:11:48 | funman | FlynDice: which info do you think we could take from it ? (btw it sends the register on the data line, like acmd13) |
| 03:12:35 | funman | fluidpusher: no need to update when it works for you, but particular bugs you see could have been fixed in the most recent build |
| 03:13:07 | fluidpusher | I yeah....I'll try to update now..with the latest revision |
| 03:13:33 | fluidpusher | I'd love to help with some of this stuff....I'll try to hang out more often |
| 03:13:36 | FlynDice | funman : not sure exactly what you're looking for but can't you get that info with a normal long response? instead of the 512 bit one that's causing a problem? |
| 03:14:19 | FlynDice | oh, data line also, same problem... |
| 03:15:03 | FlynDice | van to catch... |
| 03:15:04 | cg_ | well it finally ended −− 2009-07-16 04:14:31 Server message: Build round completed after 1029 seconds. |
| 03:15:13 | funman | FlynDice: the speed class |
| 03:15:18 | funman | 0/2/4/6 |
| 03:15:55 | FlynDice | That should be in scr, no time to check the data line thing though |
| 03:16:12 | funman | i don't see it in the scr |
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| 03:16:31 | funman | see 4-37: SD Status (page 77 of the pdf) |
| 03:17:30 | funman | scr shows SD spec version, security support, bus width, and "data_status_after_erases" |
| 03:18:18 | funman | data line means we should get the register with a DMA transfer |
| 03:18:41 | funman | but all my attempts to transfer this data timeout |
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| 07:42:12 | Grahack | If I discovered a problem with a commit and a dev reverted it, how should I continue to help ? Commenting the closed FS #10080 or create a new entry in FS? |
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| 07:46:34 | n1s | Grahack: what is the problem? |
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| 07:47:12 | n1s | and was the offending change already reverted? |
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| 07:48:43 | Grahack | in my Lua scripts, string.format('simple %s', 'test') returns only 'simple', reverted by http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=21883 |
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| 07:53:55 | n1s | ah, ok, as you said mcuelen~ fixed that (by reverting) |
| 07:59:57 | Grahack | So what should I do? I guess he put something on one of his personal todo-list but I thought I could inform the rest of the team. Anyway I'm glad you (original commiter) read me. |
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| 08:09:10 | mrkiko | Hi all!!!! |
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| 08:40:05 | nls | Grahack: sorry my connection died, you don't have to do anything, plugins are allowed to use strncpy and since i messed up the lua changes in the patch i'll leave it up to the devs working on it to decide if the want to stick with strncpy or not |
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| 08:45:25 | bertrik | nice work linuxstb |
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| 09:35:16 | CIA-69 | New commit by kugel (r21901): Fix Philips sa9200 red (HAVE_LCD_SLEEP is not defined in the bootloader so there's also no lcd_sleep()). |
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| 09:44:31 | pixelma | gevaerts: re. Rockbox USB on some Macs - the OSX version here is 10.4.11 |
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| 09:53:54 | pixelma | unfortunately I didn't have the time to prepare a test build with the changes you suggested |
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| 10:32:59 | CIA-69 | New commit by bluebrother (r21902): FS #10439: Português Brasileiro Translation for Rockbox Utility by Adilson Xavier. |
| 10:38:33 | gevaerts | pixelma: I'm not sure if it matters. From what this other person said last night I'm pretty sure it's a general problem |
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| 10:57:04 | mcuelenaere | Grahack: what's the problem? string.format("a %s", "b"); seems to work fine here |
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| 10:59:19 | Llorean | So... a little more oddness with the seeking inaccuracy I've experienced. |
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| 11:00:17 | Llorean | If I'm at 14:10, and I seek to 16:10 (so that it jumps forward to 17:54 or whatever), then seek back to ~12:40 or a time thereabouts so that it actually ends up at 14:10, I hear very nearly where I was before all the seeking started |
| 11:00:27 | Llorean | Suggesting the timestamp is actually relatively accurate, and it's just the seek itself that's going crazy. |
| 11:02:22 | Grahack | mcuelenaere: string.format("a %s", "b"); worked for r21862 but not r21863 for me |
| 11:02:25 | pixelma | gevaerts: ok, so no testing needed now anyways? |
| 11:03:15 | mcuelenaere | Grahack: sure, but what about r21883? |
| 11:03:23 | gevaerts | pixelma: I don't think so anyway. We just need to think about how to solve this |
| 11:03:35 | gevaerts | My guess is that we will need a setting |
| 11:04:04 | pixelma | alright, let me know when there is something to test |
| 11:04:14 | gevaerts | ok |
| 11:05:20 | Grahack | mcuelenaere: your revert fixed it, everything is ok now :) this morning I just wanted to try to help more. |
| 11:05:40 | mcuelenaere | Grahack: to try to help more? |
| 11:07:21 | Grahack | I was looking at the closed FS #10080 and thinking about your revert. I was wondering if n1s needed more info about the problem that occured in Lua plugin because of his r21862. |
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| 11:08:31 | mcuelenaere | Grahack: ah, well I think it's better trying to be as close as possible to the original Lua source code in order to make it easier to merge newer versions |
| 11:10:49 | Grahack | ok then everything is fine ! |
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| 11:25:30 | nls | that's exactly why strncpy is still used in pdbox and doom, mcuelenaere sorry for breaking lua... |
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| 11:40:31 | mcuelenaere | n1s: np :) |
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| 11:54:11 | linuxstb | Is anyone (gevaerts?) able to confirm that I haven't broken the Meizus with my commits last night?L |
| 11:54:51 | gevaerts | not me. The m6 bits aren't in a working state anyway, and bertrik has my m3 |
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| 12:01:52 | linuxstb | gevaerts: So I need bertrik or markun? |
| 12:02:10 | * | linuxstb has no idea who has what targets any more... |
| 12:02:49 | markun | linuxstb: only bertrik has an M3 now |
| 12:03:29 | linuxstb | Ah, OK. |
| 12:03:45 | linuxstb | markun: Any idea where denes is? Has he abandoned us/ |
| 12:03:53 | gevaerts | AlexP has one as well |
| 12:04:05 | markun | ah, true |
| 12:04:18 | markun | no, haven't heard from denes in a long time |
| 12:08:12 | amiconn | "M3" shouldn't be used on its own. It's ambiguous |
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| 12:29:21 | pixelma | wasn't there a wiki page RockboxTesting or so? ;) |
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| 13:44:11 | _zic | hi |
| 13:44:53 | _zic | I am currently translating tbutil in russian |
| 13:45:02 | _zic | *rbutil |
| 13:45:33 | _zic | how can I upload the file when it's done ? |
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| 14:19:23 | linuxstb | _zic: Add it to the patch tracker - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 |
| 14:23:01 | _zic | linuxstb, thanks |
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| 15:03:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Nice work on the nano2g port so far. :) |
| 15:04:16 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: Thanks. I don't know if you've read in #linux4nano-dev, but we've almost tamed the second type of Nano LCD. I've displayed the Rockbox logo on my Nano (but not 100% perfectly) |
| 15:04:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: We need pics or it didn't happen. ;) |
| 15:05:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: So how do you inject custom code onto the nano? |
| 15:06:15 | linuxstb | Via a specially crafted notes file. Currently we're using "iBugger" written by TheSeven, which then lets you upload and execute code over USB. |
| 15:07:23 | linuxstb | When the ipod boots, it loads and checks all notes in the Notes folder. When it gets to our one, we overflow a buffer which writes the entry point in RAM of our code onto the stack, which is then used as a return address. And voila - running code... |
| 15:08:05 | * | LambdaCalculus37 digs out his nano |
| 15:08:08 | * | GodEater still wonders how useful this will all be unless we can get code started without the OF running |
| 15:09:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Well, I do still have that loader.htm file I pulled from the iBugger tar.gz yesterday. It's in the /Notes directory on my iPod. |
| 15:10:45 | linuxstb | GodEater: More useful than not being able to run code at all... |
| 15:11:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: It's a basis from which to start, as was everything else. |
| 15:11:25 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: You can try this note - linuxstb.cream.org/nano2g/autologo.htm">http://linuxstb.cream.org/nano2g/autologo.htm |
| 15:11:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Look at the m:robe 500i port; as it is now you need to launch Rockbox from within the OF still. |
| 15:11:35 | linuxstb | After you copy it in disk mode, unplug usb and reboot. |
| 15:11:40 | * | amiconn wouldn't want to rely on that method. |
| 15:11:50 | GodEater | nor me |
| 15:11:53 | linuxstb | It seems to behave differently depending on whether you've got usb attached or not. |
| 15:12:01 | linuxstb | amiconn, GodEater: Of course not - it's just a first hack... |
| 15:12:02 | amiconn | Apple might fix this overflow in a firmware update |
| 15:12:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 should've thought about not formatting his nano as HFS+... |
| 15:12:18 | GodEater | I don't think they've released an update for the nano for a LONG time amiconn |
| 15:12:32 | linuxstb | amiconn: Sure, but you don't need to install it... |
| 15:12:54 | GodEater | linuxstb: he couldn't anyway, he's not got itunes installed ;) |
| 15:12:59 | amiconn | Yeah, but what happens if it's already installed, and then someone wants to install rockbox? |
| 15:13:10 | linuxstb | But the linux4nano-dev people seem to think they can fully crack the encryption - they can now use the hardware crypto do decrypt things. |
| 15:13:26 | GodEater | linuxstb: that's news I hadn't heard |
| 15:13:49 | linuxstb | I think that's how they've managed to dump an unencrypted version of the NOR |
| 15:14:05 | GodEater | ah, I thought that was letting the OF do the work |
| 15:14:05 | linuxstb | Which has given us the diagmode code to disassemble... |
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| 15:28:31 | BdN3504 | concerning FS 7505 (gigabeat Flashwriter): To update the plugin to accept the checksum do simply have to remove the checks as in delete the first part of |
| 15:28:33 | BdN3504 | if(check<0 || check==2) |
| 15:28:58 | BdN3504 | to |
| 15:29:00 | BdN3504 | if(check==2) |
| 15:29:14 | linuxstb | BdN3504: I don't think many people understand that code (apart from kkurbjun). And it's dangerous if you don't understand it... |
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| 15:30:30 | BdN3504 | guess i have to try to reach karl personally then |
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| 17:21:09 | BdN3504 | i am trying to compile a bootloader for the gigabeat S, but it fails with this message: |
| 17:21:12 | BdN3504 | LD bootloader.elf |
| 17:21:50 | BdN3504 | whereas /root/rockbox/gigs/bootloader.elf does not |
| 17:22:01 | BdN3504 | hm |
| 17:22:11 | BdN3504 | this got cut off, lemme try again: |
| 17:23:02 | BdN3504 | LD bootloader.elf |
| 17:24:58 | BdN3504 | "/usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: ERROR: " |
| 17:25:05 | BdN3504 | "/usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/libgcc.a(_udivsi3.o) uses FPA instructions, whereas " |
| 17:25:13 | BdN3504 | "/root/rockbox/gigs/bootloader.elf does not" |
| 17:25:18 | BdN3504 | what does this imply? |
| 17:27:24 | Torne | you are proably using the wrong toolchain |
| 17:27:28 | Torne | is my first guess. |
| 17:27:30 | linuxstb | Probably that you haven't got the correct arm-elf-gcc toolchain installed. Did you create it recently from rockboxdev.sh? |
| 17:27:42 | Torne | your libgcc is compiled with floating point enabled |
| 17:28:46 | BdN3504 | no, how do i go about creating the tool chain? is it mentioned somewhere in the wiki? |
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| 17:29:33 | linuxstb | BdN3504: Yes, in many places - see the "For developers" section of the wiki index page. |
| 17:30:21 | linuxstb | markun: Who wrote the s5l8700.h file? It doesn't seem to follow existing conventions for some names - e.g. the GPIO registers. |
| 17:31:32 | linuxstb | (so I was wondering if anyone would object to me changing it...) |
| 17:31:43 | markun | linuxstb: I generated it from the pdf |
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| 17:31:52 | BryanJacobs | I have a mobridge iPod integration unit in my car and although it works just fine with the iPod 5.5G OF, it doesn't play well with Rockbox |
| 17:31:57 | markun | so I stuck to the names |
| 17:32:00 | BryanJacobs | is there a patch implementing more of the AAP I could test? |
| 17:32:27 | linuxstb | markun: What about prefixing the GPIO variables with "GPIO_" ? |
| 17:32:27 | markun | linuxstb: do you think it's better to conform to other targets instead of the datasheet? |
| 17:32:36 | markun | fine with me |
| 17:32:44 | linuxstb | markun: No, it makes sense to be consistent with the datasheet. |
| 17:32:56 | BdN3504 | thank you |
| 17:33:32 | linuxstb | markun: Did your choice of register sizes also come from the datasheets? e.g. the lcd registers were defined as 32-bit, but the Nano's firmware uses "strh", so I changed them to 16-bit. |
| 17:34:01 | markun | linuxstb: I think so, but I might have made some mistakes |
| 17:34:45 | markun | and the datasheet isn't always right :) |
| 17:34:59 | linuxstb | Yes, I should remember that... |
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| 18:18:02 | BdN3504 | linuxstb: thanks for your help again, after updating the arm elf toolchain compiling the gigabeat s bootloader worked. |
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| 18:31:43 | cdleonard | hello |
| 18:32:12 | cdleonard | I tried to compile rockbox for the iAudio7 but I got a compiler error in jpeg_idct_arm.S |
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| 18:33:06 | cdleonard | what to do? |
| 18:34:46 | cdleonard | I know the port is incomplete; can't I just skip one module and see what works? |
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| 18:36:14 | JdGordon| | does anyone have any thoughts on putting cuesheet support deeper into playback/buffering? at the very least loading the cuesheet into MoB on load? |
| 18:36:56 | JdGordon| | U'm of the thinking that it should be entirely handled in playback, so that includes next/prev *sub)track handling also |
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| 18:48:58 | Blue_Dude | What's the difference between IBSS_ATTR and IDATA_ATTR? Are there any other ATTR's I should know about? |
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| 18:51:47 | BryanJacobs | JdGordon|: I'm an advocate of handling cuesheets as "just another file in the buffer" and generalizing the multifile support, but you know that |
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| 19:03:09 | mcuelenaere | Blue_Dude: I think those are defined in config.h, if not try 'grep IBSS_ATTR firmware/export/*' |
| 19:03:30 | pixelma | JdGordon: how would that work for hwcodec then? Not that I care much about cuesheet support at all but it's currently there and working (at least last I tried) |
| 19:03:35 | mcuelenaere | yep, config.h |
| 19:04:20 | Blue_Dude | mcuelenaere: I see the definitions, but I don't know what they mean. What do ATTR's do anyway? |
| 19:04:47 | mcuelenaere | Blue_Dude: they put functions and/or data into IRAM/SRAM |
| 19:05:02 | Blue_Dude | mcuelenaere: Which speeds up execution? |
| 19:05:06 | mcuelenaere | yep |
| 19:05:20 | mcuelenaere | this is RAM soldered on the CPU |
| 19:05:31 | mcuelenaere | or something like that |
| 19:05:38 | Blue_Dude | mcuelenaere: That could be handy. |
| 19:07:16 | mcuelenaere | some targets have lots of them (>=96kB), some less (16kB) |
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| 19:10:20 | Blue_Dude | mcuelenaere: I received a report that my process was running too slow. I just put the buffers and frequently used constants in IRAM. It compiled, so I guess it worked. Don't know yet if it fixes the problem. |
| 19:12:54 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: The smallest is 4KB afaik (SH7034) |
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| 19:13:54 | amiconn | Blue_Dude: If you're conding an ordinary plugin that should be able to run in parallel with music playback, don't use IRAM |
| 19:14:04 | amiconn | *coding |
| 19:14:43 | Blue_Dude | amiconn: it's a DSP process that runs as a part of playback. |
| 19:15:13 | amiconn | This is because URAM is shared between codecs and plugins, hence plugins using IRAM need to stop playback. For some plugins this makes sense (e.g. doom) |
| 19:16:11 | amiconn | Core has its own part of IRAM, so you can use it for dsp (and probably should). Just make sure you don't use too much (the linker will tell you if you make a build...) |
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| 19:41:00 | CIA-69 | New commit by dave (r21904): Add some notes describing how the bin2note exploit works |
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| 19:53:59 | obo | hmm, reorient2-roolku is returning a lot of empty build logs |
| 19:54:39 | low_light | linuxstb: the nano2g LCD registers look similar to the Philips HDD1630 which is either a Leadis LDS176 or a Philips PCF8833 |
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| 19:55:20 | roolku | obo: any idea why? |
| 19:56:05 | obo | not really, there isn't a lot to go on :) anything in the build console window? |
| 19:56:18 | low_light | roolku: you still interested in the m:robe 100 remote? |
| 19:56:20 | linuxstb | low_light: Ah, thanks. I'm just about to commit a change that implements the start of the second driver. Then we need to make them both work better... |
| 19:57:04 | roolku | low_light: in theory yes, but I haven't made any progress and got a bit fed up |
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| 19:57:29 | roolku | low_light: not much rockbox time lately either |
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| 19:57:52 | low_light | roolku: ok. I have some working code from about 6 mo ago. I'll send it to you. |
| 19:58:43 | gevaerts | What's wrong with the build system? How can it take 540 seconds for a build round when none of the clients take more than 256 seconds? |
| 19:58:51 | roolku | low_light: thanks |
| 19:59:17 | roolku | gevaerts: probably all my fault (reorient2) but no idea why? |
| 19:59:47 | gevaerts | roolku: no. It's been doing that since yesterday |
| 19:59:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | low_light: Hey there, any luck with the HDD6330 pad yet? |
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| 20:01:59 | low_light | LambdaCalculus37: Sorry, no. Lack of time & I wanted to finish some things with the SA9200 first. |
| 20:02:11 | low_light | LambdaCalculus37: if you want to test: low_light/asset/sa9200-fixes-patch">http://drop.io/low_light/asset/sa9200-fixes-patch |
| 20:02:26 | low_light | it fixes the clicks/pops that I was hearing |
| 20:02:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | low_light: Sure, I'll do that tonight (don't have the SA9200 with me today). |
| 20:03:11 | CIA-69 | New commit by dave (r21905): Add auto-detection of Nano 2G LCD type, and an initial attempt at lcd_update() for the second lcd type. This lcd_update works, but not reliably. |
| 20:03:40 | CIA-69 | New commit by gevaerts (r21906): calibrate sa9200 bootloader score |
| 20:04:01 | linuxstb | low_light: Do you have datasheets for either of those lcd controllers? |
| 20:05:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | low_light: Have a look at FS #10431. I did more plugins after that patch and haven't had a chance to upload my work yet, but you can see how far along I've gotten. |
| 20:05:41 | roolku | hm, make seems to be buggered/too old? on reorient2 |
| 20:05:48 | roolku | http://pastie.org/548409 |
| 20:05:58 | low_light | linuxstb: first hit on google for each |
| 20:07:34 | gevaerts | roolku: seems so, yes. What version is it? |
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| 20:09:53 | roolku | gevaerts: GNU Make 3.80 |
| 20:10:38 | gevaerts | hm. I'd expect that to still work... |
| 20:11:57 | * | gevaerts spots the first duplicate client name. Luckily the username is taken into account as well :) |
| 20:12:02 | amiconn | GNU Make 3.80 should work for rockbox, but the build system will show a warning about less-than-optimal build speed |
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| 20:12:50 | amiconn | This is because GNU Make before v. 3.81 doesn't have an internal 'info' function, so the build system has to recort to calling 'echo' |
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| 20:13:01 | amiconn | s/recort/resort/ |
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| 20:13:16 | roolku | it seems to fail on: else ifneq (,$(findstring bootbox,$(APPSDIR))) |
| 20:14:03 | roolku | bbl |
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| 20:16:07 | BryanJacobs | linuxstb: do you work with the AAP at all? |
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| 20:16:27 | linuxstb | BryanJacobs: No, not at all. |
| 20:16:50 | BryanJacobs | hm, sorry, thought you did from http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/rockbox-itrip-and-ipod.html |
| 20:20:23 | low_light | linuxstb: the 2nd nano2g lcd type is similar to the ILI9320/ILI9325 |
| 20:20:46 | linuxstb | BryanJacobs: I was involved with the ipod ports at the start, so remember helping someone then. But I haven't really done any low-level ipod hacking for a few years. |
| 20:21:22 | low_light | linuxstb: datasheets available via google :) |
| 20:21:23 | linuxstb | low_light: Thanks. I've been looking for a larger (and 16-bit) lcd controller similar to those two you linked earlier. That datasheet matches, but it's missing lots of bits... |
| 20:22:25 | linuxstb | low_light: Yes, that looks a suitable match... ;) |
| 20:23:30 | amiconn | roolku: Looks like chained conditionals were introduced with make 3.81 - so 3.80 is indeed too old now |
| 20:23:49 | * | amiconn wonders whether this is worth fixing - make 3.81 was released in 2006 (!) |
| 20:24:48 | amiconn | make 3.80 is from 2002 |
| 20:25:20 | gevaerts | I think we should just reject it |
| 20:26:27 | amiconn | This place in root.make is the only one in our build system that uses chained conditionals |
| 20:26:48 | gevaerts | ah, in that case we could fix it I guess |
| 20:26:50 | obo | linuxstb: I think that's the same datasheet as the View... |
| 20:26:53 | amiconn | A solution would be to convert this into a nested conditional |
| 20:27:02 | JdGordon| | ... the player is older than that isnt it? I would vehemently object to not fixing this bug if we keep supporting other rediculously old stuff |
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| 20:28:08 | BryanJacobs | it's a little different supporting ancient hardware vs software |
| 20:28:20 | JdGordon| | no its not! |
| 20:28:21 | BryanJacobs | there are few barriers to updating software - updating hardware costs $$$ |
| 20:28:34 | gevaerts | BryanJacobs: don't bother. This amiconn vs JdGordon feud is even older than the Player! |
| 20:28:44 | BryanJacobs | it's less reasonable to say "buy a new music player" than to say "upgrade your Make" |
| 20:28:55 | BryanJacobs | gevaerts: heh |
| 20:29:35 | saratoga | drop HWCODEC |
| 20:29:38 | amiconn | roolku: Try this patch: amiconn.dyndns.org/~">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/~ |
| 20:29:48 | amiconn | roolku: Try this patch: amiconn.dyndns.org/~jens/root.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/~jens/root.diff |
| 20:30:10 | BryanJacobs | also, newer software usually provides a superset of the features of old software, whereas newer hardware is generally a tradeoff (seen a modern player with SPDIF out recently?) |
| 20:33:09 | linuxstb | obo: Still no joy making it do anything? |
| 20:34:40 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IPodNano2GPort needs to be updated |
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| 20:41:13 | roolku | amiconn: no joy, it barfs again later with a less than useful error message: http://pastie.org/548476 |
| 20:41:24 | roolku | amiconn: probably easier to upgrade make |
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| 20:50:28 | tom243 | hi |
| 20:50:55 | low_light | linuxstb: nano2g lcd type 1 is maybe similar to ILI9163 |
| 20:51:30 | tom243 | how do i save rockbox's downloads so i can reinstall them without internet if needed? |
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| 20:51:46 | tom243 | ie, all the firmware,font,games,voice files,etc |
| 20:52:00 | tom243 | just save \rbutil-cache ? |
| 20:52:19 | tom243 | and have Rockbox be pointed to that folder? |
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| 20:55:22 | tom243 | also, upon first attempt, Rockbox said "No mount point given. You need to fix the above errors before you can continue." it could have said something more revealing like "You need to have iTunes installed before installing Rockbox." |
| 20:55:31 | tom243 | :) |
| 20:56:09 | linuxstb | tom243: Have you read the Rockbox manual? |
| 20:56:13 | tom243 | yes |
| 20:56:15 | saratoga | you don't need itunes installed |
| 20:56:16 | linuxstb | (specifically the installation section) |
| 20:56:26 | tom243 | it says nothing of "no mount point given" |
| 20:56:26 | linuxstb | That describes how to do things manually if you wish. |
| 20:56:34 | tom243 | well, it didn't work without installing iTunes |
| 20:56:55 | gevaerts | tom243: I can't really answer your question, but rockbox is what runs on the player. The installer tool is called rockbox utility, or rbutil, but never rockbox |
| 20:56:57 | linuxstb | Then you had a different problem - many people have used Rockbox on ipods without ever installing itunes. |
| 20:57:51 | tom243 | hmm, possibly because this was refurbished |
| 20:57:56 | tom243 | at buy.com |
| 20:58:03 | tom243 | just received it today |
| 20:58:16 | linuxstb | What kind of ipod is it? |
| 20:58:20 | tom243 | iPod Video 60gb |
| 20:58:40 | tom243 | looks new |
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| 20:59:36 | linuxstb | tom243: So what is your actual problem? Have you installed Rockbox on your ipod? |
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| 21:00:05 | tom243 | no problems so far |
| 21:00:11 | tom243 | (i'll probably em soon enough tho :) |
| 21:00:15 | tom243 | find em |
| 21:00:30 | linuxstb | Rockbox Utility can't do offline installs, if that's what you're asking. But you can do installs manually - the manual describes how. |
| 21:00:31 | tom243 | the issue was just what i said |
| 21:00:40 | tom243 | but now that iTunes is installed, works fine |
| 21:01:13 | tom243 | why cannot Rbutil do offline installs? |
| 21:01:25 | tom243 | why cannot you just point it to the rbutil-cache folder from then on? |
| 21:01:35 | tom243 | and it will maintain a record of it |
| 21:02:26 | linuxstb | Because (as far as I know), no-one has implemented it. But I'll stop talking now, as I don't really know about rbutil... |
| 21:02:38 | gevaerts | Zagor: http://build.rockbox.org/data/21901-clients.html seems to have a pretty big gap |
| 21:02:39 | tom243 | :) |
| 21:03:21 | Zagor | gevaerts: indeed. looking at it now. |
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| 21:04:25 | tom243 | \rbutil-cache folder has all the names in random hash files it seems |
| 21:04:51 | tom243 | why garbage up the files that were downloaded so user can back them up |
| 21:05:00 | tom243 | erm garble! :) |
| 21:06:59 | gevaerts | Zagor: there's also another problem related to network issues. My IP address changed during the night, and one of my clients got stuck in "svn up". svn is still running, and nothing has happened since 3 AM. |
| 21:07:10 | linuxstb | tom243: I've no idea. But rbutil simply downloads Rockbox as a zip file from our website, and unzips it to your player. It's not doing anything magical that you couldn't do outside rbutil. |
| 21:07:44 | Zagor | gevaerts: i.e. svn doesn't react to kill -15 ? |
| 21:08:01 | gevaerts | Zagor: it may, but the client hasn't even tried that yet |
| 21:08:24 | Zagor | gah, right. svn up is done by mother... |
| 21:09:57 | tom243 | except that you don't know what you have installed from one single interface :) |
| 21:10:03 | tom243 | if you don't use rbutil |
| 21:10:12 | tom243 | anyway, i'll stop talking now, & try using it! :O) |
| 21:10:15 | tom243 | :O| |
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| 21:24:22 | gevaerts | Zagor: -15 doesn't seem to kill this svn |
| 21:24:43 | Zagor | it's odd that it hangs for so long |
| 21:25:24 | gevaerts | the same thing sometimes happens with nc on rasher's binsize system. If I don't watch it, it can stay there for days or even weeks |
| 21:25:43 | Zagor | btw the blocked client list should indeed rather be a file in svn. it saves having to introduce a yet another authorization scheme. |
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| 21:32:14 | roolku | could I suggest to flag empty logs such as http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=21904;type=clip as red in the build table |
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| 21:32:34 | Zagor | roolku: yes, I've just fixed that bug |
| 21:32:41 | roolku | :) |
| 21:33:09 | Zagor | I'm also going to treat a client that does that the same as out-of-diskspace, i.e. not give it anymore builds that round |
| 21:33:41 | roolku | i have updated make on reorient2, so you don't need to block it |
| 21:33:41 | Zagor | +treat the build as not completed so another client builds it |
| 21:34:02 | * | gevaerts is still trying to make this svn stop without kill -9 |
| 21:34:07 | CIA-69 | New commit by Ubuntuxer (r21907): Remove unused menu bitmaps from pegbox since r21867 |
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| 21:35:06 | Zagor | roolku: ok |
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| 21:35:31 | iwonder2 | how do i change the font size on player? |
| 21:37:02 | iwonder2 | the default text size is too small |
| 21:37:08 | iwonder2 | going thru the font list now |
| 21:37:19 | iwonder2 | it was much bigger with iPod's firmware |
| 21:37:37 | iwonder2 | so i can easily see it without squinting or putting my eyes close to the screen |
| 21:37:59 | linuxstb | iwonder2: Fonts are part of the theme - you can choose a theme with a bigger font if you wish... |
| 21:38:02 | scorche | iwonder2: you change the font...this process should be described in the manual... |
| 21:38:28 | Zagor | holy cow, 221 seconds! |
| 21:39:39 | gevaerts | So what went wrong? |
| 21:39:42 | iwonder2 | is there a way to use Gill Sans MT font? |
| 21:39:43 | * | gevaerts can't believe this time |
| 21:39:48 | iwonder2 | i love that font, also Trebuchet |
| 21:39:57 | iwonder2 | i have that font installed |
| 21:40:00 | iwonder2 | on my PC |
| 21:40:35 | B4gder | roolku: is your mipsel install fine? |
| 21:41:04 | Zagor | reorient failed uploading the log again |
| 21:41:19 | roolku | roolku: which machine? I have not tested it, but the installation went through fine |
| 21:41:43 | Zagor | but only for the 747 build |
| 21:41:45 | B4gder | I was referring to the red build |
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| 21:42:58 | roolku | I'll try and build this locally... |
| 21:42:58 | gevaerts | Zagor: http://subversion.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3347 seems to be my issue. I guess there's not much we can do about it |
| 21:43:04 | iwonder2 | is there a quick find feature? on my Nomad JB3 i liked being able to quickly filter the list by certain characters |
| 21:44:40 | Zagor | gevaerts: other than adding some complexity to time out ourselves and kill -9 |
| 21:44:43 | iwonder2 | using the iPod's wheel is a bit cumbersome & slow for long lists |
| 21:46:05 | scorche | iwonder2: that is why we use a bit of wheel acceleration...but i really would recommend reading our fine manual, as it seems that a lot of your questions here would be answered by reading it |
| 21:46:33 | gevaerts | Zagor: we can do that, yes. I guess more people than just me will have this problem, otherwise I'd just try to use some local workaround (or just something that tells me it's stuck) |
| 21:47:39 | * | gevaerts thinks that you should know what you are doing if you don't use SO_KEEPALIVE |
| 21:49:04 | roolku | built fine: -rw-r−−r−− 1 robert reorient 1253123 Jul 16 21:03 rockbox.zip |
| 21:49:14 | roolku | anything else I could test? |
| 21:49:38 | Zagor | gevaerts: ? keepalive is usually 2 hours, which is far to long for us |
| 21:49:54 | Zagor | roolku: the zip came through fine, but the log file didn't |
| 21:50:04 | gevaerts | Zagor: I prefer my client to come back after two hours to having it not come back at all |
| 21:50:18 | Zagor | gevaerts: ah, I thought you meant rbclient... |
| 21:50:50 | gevaerts | Zagor: rbclient uses its own ping scheme, so it can be assumed that whoever wrote that knew what he was doing :) |
| 21:51:13 | Zagor | I'd like to think so, but I'm not entirely sure about that :) |
| 21:51:47 | iwonder2 | i think Fixed font size 18 should be Default |
| 21:51:54 | iwonder2 | that seems to be the best balance for my eyes |
| 21:52:05 | saratoga | iwonder2: then change it |
| 21:52:08 | iwonder2 | easy to read, without looking blotchy after that |
| 21:52:37 | iwonder2 | saratoga, just a note for any one who can change that |
| 21:52:40 | iwonder2 | :) |
| 21:52:57 | roolku | is there a verbose setting for the buildclient, so I could check what is going wrong? |
| 21:52:59 | scorche | iwonder2: i am sure that everyone would have a slightly different opinion on the matter, as everyone's eyes are different |
| 21:53:11 | iwonder2 | ahem |
| 21:53:32 | iwonder2 | i believe my opinion is more objective :O) |
| 21:53:38 | iwonder2 | i think most users would agree |
| 21:53:44 | iwonder2 | i have a good intuitive sense on these things ;) |
| 21:53:59 | Zagor | roolku: I'm afraid not |
| 21:54:05 | saratoga | iwonder2: the fonts on devices were chosen by concensous |
| 21:54:34 | iwonder2 | oh really? but its bias is by those who actually place their opinion |
| 21:54:46 | iwonder2 | those who are less likely (eg: me) that bias would be reflected |
| 21:54:49 | gevaerts | iwonder2: "I believe I know better" is really not going to convince anyone at all. It just makes you look like an arrogant fool |
| 21:54:50 | iwonder2 | ;) |
| 21:55:28 | roolku | Zagor: should I keep trying with reorient2 or just take it out? it is not the fastest anyway |
| 21:55:39 | iwonder2 | those everyday users don't often want to waste their time on polls |
| 21:55:46 | iwonder2 | they just want to install something & have it *work* |
| 21:55:57 | iwonder2 | they also don't look at the details as much |
| 21:56:06 | iwonder2 | they just want something to play their music & videos, and do it well |
| 21:56:15 | scorche | and you know for a fact that these "everyday users" all would prefer this font that you are suggesting? |
| 21:56:18 | iwonder2 | they want a easy to read font, but not look too blotchy |
| 21:56:21 | Zagor | roolku: take it out until we have time for more tests. I have to go soon. |
| 21:56:30 | roolku | okay |
| 21:57:05 | gevaerts | iwonder2: to put it bluntly, as long as those users aren't paying the paychecks of the rockbox developers, why should we care? |
| 21:57:06 | iwonder2 | scorche, we cannot know anything with certainty, just by experience can we approximate |
| 21:57:19 | iwonder2 | but yes, in all reasonableness, it would be ideal |
| 21:57:22 | iwonder2 | 18-Fixed :o) |
| 21:57:25 | iwonder2 | enough said. |
| 21:57:59 | scorche | iwonder2: i just dont see how it is possible for you to have such a grasp on the matter...most "users" i have talked to are fine with the font as it is |
| 21:58:29 | saratoga | iwonder2: looking at the themes for the Ipod Video at all using 18 point font (though 1 or 2 using much larger fonts), so I think its silly to claim you've found the best size |
| 21:58:29 | scorche | to assume that everyone wants what you would want is, as gevaerts suggested, quite arrogant... |
| 21:58:39 | iwonder2 | scorche, but you get those who actually have the *desire* to talk to you |
| 21:58:40 | saratoga | perhaps you've found the best size for you, but evidently no one else has cared for it |
| 21:58:52 | scorche | iwonder2: and? |
| 21:59:06 | iwonder2 | those that don't want to complain to others, often don't waste their time & energy, because they know from habitual past experience, it's usually just that - wasted time & energy |
| 21:59:24 | iwonder2 | so that bias would be greatly reflected in those who actually *DO* talk with you ;) |
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| 21:59:45 | scorche | iwonder2: and how do you know that you have such a handle on what these "common users" want? |
| 21:59:56 | iwonder2 | hehe |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:07 | iwonder2 | let's just say, i eat & breathe user interface design |
| 22:00:11 | iwonder2 | ;) |
| 22:00:19 | saratoga | if common users don't complain, then you're not a common user, and thus cannot speak for them |
| 22:00:20 | gevaerts | iwonder2: just so you know, you're not talking with us. You're just showing that you're an arrogant fool who doesn't have the slighest idea how open source software works |
| 22:00:21 | scorche | ok....thats nice... |
| 22:00:39 | iwonder2 | "common users" |
| 22:00:44 | iwonder2 | heh |
| 22:01:05 | saratoga | also its kind of annoying when you use "enter" as punctuation |
| 22:01:19 | iwonder2 | oh? maybe i should do it more? ;) |
| 22:01:28 | Zagor | this conversation can only end well :) |
| 22:02:09 | iwonder2 | i guess it can only be annoying to one who is irritated by others preferences |
| 22:02:19 | iwonder2 | and thus, you attract those who mostly agree with you |
| 22:02:22 | iwonder2 | not disagree |
| 22:02:34 | scorche | iwonder2: if you "eat & breathe user interface design", could you perhaps look at the menu structure of rockbox?...many people have issued complaints about how it is set up, but there hasnt really been a decent suggestion that doesnt make everything harder for everyone else while making things easier for people |
| 22:02:40 | Zagor | 221 seconds :-D |
| 22:03:21 | iwonder2 | that would probably be reflected in the 'bias' of your experience of "common users" i think ;o) |
| 22:03:22 | scorche | "people" being your "common users" |
| 22:03:52 | iwonder2 | but i do not wish to annoy, only to bring a voice to a voice usually not heard, or rarely (ever) spoken :Ox |
| 22:03:55 | ej0rge | A lot of portable devices have both poor user interfaces and poor functionality. People should be greatful to get one or the other. |
| 22:04:16 | gevaerts | iwonder2: you told us explicitely that you are not a common user, so you *cannot* speak foe them |
| 22:04:30 | iwonder2 | where oh WHERE did i say that? |
| 22:04:33 | iwonder2 | :O? |
| 22:04:39 | * | iwonder2 rubs head confuzzled |
| 22:05:05 | gevaerts | "let's just say, i eat & breathe user interface design" |
| 22:05:46 | iwonder2 | this is true, at least in a past dream ;) |
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| 22:05:51 | ej0rge | iwonder2: rockbox has a very basic, very functional user interface that works well for it's intended audience. |
| 22:06:14 | * | iwonder2 shuts lips :O| |
| 22:06:16 | iwonder2 | no more |
| 22:06:22 | gevaerts | iwonder2: just to make things clear, are you trying to contribute something, or are you here to troll? |
| 22:06:23 | iwonder2 | (for a while ;) |
| 22:06:49 | iwonder2 | contribution can only be had to those who are eager to listen to alternative points of view |
| 22:07:09 | gevaerts | and your alternative points of view are? |
| 22:07:11 | scorche | iwonder2: that may be so, but we have no idea of the numbers behind those views |
| 22:07:45 | scorche | iwonder2: it may be an opinion rarely heard, but it is unclear if that is because they are the minority or if they just dont speak |
| 22:07:47 | * | iwonder2 sighs |
| 22:07:51 | iwonder2 | :Oo |
| 22:07:57 | iwonder2 | forget i ever said anything :O) |
| 22:08:22 | scorche | iwonder2: but really if you are into user design, the menu structure could use your help a lot more than the default font can...a font is easy to change.. |
| 22:08:33 | iwonder2 | those that can implement this, will not be the dissenters who echo their voice here |
| 22:08:42 | iwonder2 | they will likely just go in there & do it without talking about it |
| 22:09:38 | scorche | most of us could implement this...we just are hesitant about doing it just because one person comes into the channel claiming to speak for our massive base of "common users" |
| 22:09:41 | ej0rge | iwonder2: rockbox has to run on a bunch of different screen sizes and resolutions with many different dots per inch |
| 22:09:43 | Zagor | iwonder2: no. those who can implement this has heard hundreds of such "obvious" suggestions, many conflicting, and leaves the defaults merely "reasonable" |
| 22:10:35 | * | iwonder2 blows a big bubble in the air & watches as it effortlessly floats away into the blue sunny sky |
| 22:10:39 | iwonder2 | :Oo |
| 22:10:44 | iwonder2 | i see O.o |
| 22:10:49 | iwonder2 | Zagor! |
| 22:11:57 | scorche | also, this is a strictly on-topic channel...if you would note, in the topic of this channel contains a link to our guidelines/rules as well as direction to a place where you can feel free to have social chatter without clogging our logs with useless bits...there are a few listed rules in the link that you might want to have a look at.. |
| 22:14:17 | * | roolku wonders why atlas-roolku is doing so badly in comparison to matse-roolku - these are identical machines, atlas is running FC8 and matse FC9 |
| 22:16:09 | gevaerts | roolku: it wants to near other-atlas :) |
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| 22:16:22 | roolku | :) |
| 22:17:14 | Zagor | roolku: atlas is classified as "fast" while matse is still in the "slow" group, and thus gets an easier ride |
| 22:18:01 | Zagor | over time they should converge on a similar score |
| 22:18:05 | gevaerts | I suspect we have too many clients in the slow group, which makes it harder to get out |
| 22:18:47 | JdGordon| | is "fast" and "slow" relative to the rest of the clients? or still a fixed score value? |
| 22:18:53 | iwonder2 | is it possible to install a font from PC to Rockbox quickly? |
| 22:18:56 | Zagor | JdGordon|: fixed score value |
| 22:19:06 | Zagor | gevaerts: how do you mean it is harder to get out? |
| 22:19:19 | scorche | iwonder2: quickly?...no |
| 22:19:32 | iwonder2 | what's the barrier between quick? |
| 22:19:38 | Zagor | with many slow clients, you get the high-score builds faster. hence it should if anything be _easier_ to get out for a medium-fast machine |
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| 22:19:47 | JdGordon| | run ttf2bdf, then bdf2fnt, then copy |
| 22:19:50 | iwonder2 | what's keeping it from conjoining in symbiotic unity |
| 22:19:54 | iwonder2 | ~<:3 |
| 22:20:08 | scorche | iwonder2: for the second time, stop with those useless lines |
| 22:20:30 | saratoga | third time really since I asked as well |
| 22:20:34 | scorche | iwonder2: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts |
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| 22:21:38 | gevaerts | Zagor: well, I'm not sure... You need to be able to finish the high score builds to get to "fast", but if you start with a bootloader you have less time for it. Lots of bootloaders will also do the trick, but there are too many slow clients for any one of them to get more than two or so |
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| 22:22:15 | JdGordon| | hmm... it wouild be nice for a ttf/bdf -> .fnt convertor plugin... I cant imagine it would be too hard... slow maybe but not hard |
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| 22:23:11 | scorche | JdGordon: that still strikes me as something a computer would be better at doing.. |
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| 22:23:27 | JdGordon| | sure, but its still doable |
| 22:24:26 | JdGordon| | makes the barrier for new fonts much lower for *insert adjective* people |
| 22:24:56 | iwonder2 | yeah, or if it's quicker to do: just add Gill Sans MT - Size 18 to Rockbox :o) |
| 22:25:07 | iwonder2 | JdGordon ;o) |
| 22:25:49 | gevaerts | iwonder2: have you ever heard of arcane concept called copyright and licensing? |
| 22:25:49 | scorche | iwonder2: there are licensing/intellectual property issues that we would have to deal with first |
| 22:26:01 | JdGordon| | considering you are the first to request the font... and I imagine also illegal to add it, if you want it, you have to do the work |
| 22:26:15 | iwonder2 | foreign concept to me, Gevaerts ;) |
| 22:27:01 | iwonder2 | i think sharing is good, if it benefits the users & brings more happiness & inspiration to them |
| 22:27:17 | iwonder2 | making things easy & pleasant on the eyes, does help creativity, in a subtle way, though consistent |
| 22:27:40 | scorche | iwonder2: i also think that respecting other people's intellectual property if we want our own to be respected is a good idea |
| 22:27:51 | scorche | this is not something to be discussed, as we are firm on this subject |
| 22:27:54 | iwonder2 | :O\ |
| 22:27:58 | JdGordon| | iwonder2: you wanted quick... in the entire time you have been here, you could have converted and installed 500 fonts... |
| 22:28:31 | iwonder2 | :Oo |
| 22:28:32 | iwonder2 | wow |
| 22:28:39 | iwonder2 | are you sure?! |
| 22:28:51 | iwonder2 | my mind doesn't work that fast |
| 22:28:56 | iwonder2 | i'm a snail |
| 22:29:00 | scorche | iwonder2: this is your last warning on your little emoticons in their own line and abuse of the neter key... |
| 22:29:28 | iwonder2 | scorches, yes, I can see that |
| 22:29:57 | iwonder2 | it's about DOING it and not seeking pleasures of fantasy |
| 22:30:07 | iwonder2 | a weakness/diversion of mind |
| 22:30:14 | iwonder2 | due to my forgetfullness & lack of clarity |
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| 22:30:31 | * | iwonder2 yawns |
| 22:30:34 | iwonder2 | :Oo |
| 22:30:35 | iwonder2 | hehe |
| 22:30:39 | iwonder2 | buhbye! |
| 22:30:41 | iwonder2 | :O)~< |
| 22:30:46 | scorche | iwonder2: you ahve been muted for 10 minutes...during this time, please review the guidelines |
| 22:30:47 | iwonder2 | weeeEe! |
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| 22:32:03 | bertrik | I briefly looked at the init sequence of the display in the YP-S3, it looks similar to other LCD driver, for example the e200, but there's similarities with other LCDs too |
| 22:32:08 | JdGordon| | speaking of getting others to do stuff for you.... the new clix plugin needs keymap fixes for the ipods |
| 22:32:26 | linuxstb | bertrik: What's the YP-S3? What SoC? |
| 22:32:41 | bertrik | S5L8700 :) |
| 22:32:50 | linuxstb | \o/ The more the merrier... |
| 22:33:08 | bertrik | it's a player by samsung, not very expensive, which I ordered yesterday |
| 22:33:32 | markun | bertrik: did you also take a look at the iriver T series and the Clix? |
| 22:33:37 | linuxstb | You've found unencrypted firmware updates then? |
| 22:33:39 | obo | linuxstb: no LCD luck yet. I'm just looking at the LCD code in the OF rather than the bootloader. It's a little easier for me to read since it's 32 bit rather than thumb |
| 22:33:40 | bertrik | the firmware upgrade image is not encrypted, but it's huge though (20 MB) |
| 22:34:06 | bertrik | I hope there's the same kind of DFU mode as for example on the meizus |
| 22:34:15 | linuxstb | Presumably full of fonts and bitmaps? |
| 22:34:16 | bertrik | markun, no, didn't look at those yet |
| 22:34:32 | bertrik | linuxstb, possibly even a file system image :) |
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| 22:35:18 | bertrik | markun, do the iriver T series and the Clix also use the s5l8700? |
| 22:36:46 | markun | at least the T series, I think the clix as well. Don't know if the clix is the U10 or U20 |
| 22:36:52 | bertrik | the s5l8700 series looks like a very nice target to port, especially because we have good documentation about it. The bad part is that the players using the SoC often seem to rely on a proprietary FTL. |
| 22:37:39 | markun | bertrik: here are some firmwares http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/iriverupdate/ |
| 22:37:43 | linuxstb | Isn't it usually this Whimory thing? |
| 22:37:48 | bertrik | yes |
| 22:38:14 | markun | and this ifp_decode can be used to decrypt them http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IfpCryptanalysis |
| 22:39:04 | markun | maybe "irde" is better since it can encrypt as well: http://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 22:39:54 | markun | bertrik: the more s5l8700 targets the more people could work on whimory support |
| 22:40:06 | bertrik | markun, I think I'll have my hands full with the samsung and meizu in the near future |
| 22:40:18 | linuxstb | markun: It seems to be more targets, but the same people... |
| 22:40:37 | markun | linuxstb: can you make a dump of the NAND for testing the rockbox FTL code lateron? |
| 22:40:49 | linuxstb | Rockbox has FTL code? |
| 22:40:59 | markun | no, not yet :) |
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| 22:41:07 | markun | or maybe it does, but not for whimory |
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| 22:41:26 | linuxstb | markun: We don't even have a NAND driver, do we? |
| 22:41:34 | bertrik | reading raw NAND could be done with some work I think |
| 22:41:50 | linuxstb | Although TheSeven has got usb working, so we can dump things over usb using his tools. |
| 22:42:25 | linuxstb | In fact, it might be interesting to run his "iBugger" on the M3, to see if his USB code works. |
| 22:42:46 | linuxstb | Or did you do work on USB already? |
| 22:42:56 | markun | there is only the TCC code |
| 22:42:57 | bertrik | openiboot has code for reading whimory apparently, and the USB controller is the same as in the tcc targets so we could re-use drivers |
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| 22:47:39 | TheSeven | if you guys want to dump the NAND of a nano, just use disk mode and dd |
| 22:48:18 | TheSeven | i don't know if there's any further control info stuff in there, but at least no firmware or such, at least most of it is visible as a mass storage device |
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| 22:50:11 | shotofadds | gevaerts: I'm updating your storage rework patch to add in the extra parameter for *_num_drives() - do you mind if I liberally add some whitespace and fix it for 80-columns too? :p |
| 22:50:24 | gevaerts | shotofadds: feel free! |
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| 22:50:45 | shotofadds | storace.c hurts my eyes :( |
| 22:51:28 | shotofadds | ..so much so that I can't type |
| 22:51:34 | linuxstb | TheSeven: No, we're talking about dumping the raw NAND pages, before the flash translation layer converts it to disk blocks |
| 22:52:59 | TheSeven | ok, you won't be able to dump that without an FTL |
| 22:53:42 | linuxstb | What I mean is that we a) dump the raw NAND pages; b) dump the disk in regular disk mode with dd ; c) Compare the two to understand how the FTL works... |
| 22:53:59 | shotofadds | if only it was as easy as that :g |
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| 22:54:14 | linuxstb | shotofadds: I'm not saying those steps are easy... |
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| 22:54:53 | * | shotofadds is keeping well away from proprietary flash targets in future :/ |
| 22:55:03 | gevaerts | shotofadds: you should use the Feynman Problem-Solving method! |
| 22:56:46 | shotofadds | gevaerts: yet to produce results... |
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| 22:57:22 | shotofadds | gevaerts: any reason for the double brackets around eg. if((rc=ata_init())) return rc; |
| 22:57:22 | shotofadds | ? |
| 22:57:43 | gevaerts | shotofadds: yes. gcc not liking assignments in conditions without them |
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| 22:58:09 | shotofadds | there's another solution to that ;) |
| 22:58:32 | gevaerts | well yes, making the code so verbose that nobody wants to look at it anymore ;0 |
| 22:58:43 | * | gevaerts missed the shift key there |
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| 22:59:32 | Mikachu | they also tell a reader that the single = is intentional |
| 22:59:55 | linuxstb | They didn't tell shotofadds that... |
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| 23:00:16 | * | shotofadds is clearly uneducated |
| 23:00:21 | Mikachu | he wasn't that reader then :P |
| 23:00:33 | gevaerts | Mikachu: in this case, I'd argue that the code itself tells the reader that |
| 23:00:43 | bertrik | I would separate the assignment and the if statement |
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| 23:01:51 | wincent | Me too, but after seeing this for ~50 times in PD I am not convinced anymore. |
| 23:02:39 | gevaerts | well, I wouldn't, as you probably guessed by now |
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| 23:06:37 | * | shotofadds wonders about the need for functions like sd_spin(), nand_spin() ;-) |
| 23:07:17 | gevaerts | shotofadds: get rid of them if you like. It's not that straightforward :) |
| 23:08:10 | shotofadds | at least in the case of *_spin() the storage.c layer can just ignore them for sd/nand/mmc/etc, no? |
| 23:10:09 | gevaerts | actually, now that you mention it... IIRC they are exported to the plugin API, which complicates things a slight bit |
| 23:11:43 | shotofadds | surely only storage_* though? |
| 23:12:04 | gevaerts | yes, but... For the single-driver case, those are macros |
| 23:12:30 | bertrik | linuxstb, I'll check if the meizu bootloader from SVN still works |
| 23:12:46 | shotofadds | gevaerts: of course. pesky single-driver targets..! |
| 23:12:53 | linuxstb | bertrik: Thanks. |
| 23:13:11 | gevaerts | shotofadds: we should get rid of those! |
| 23:13:32 | linuxstb | bertrik: I may have been over-zealous in some of my s5l5700.h changes. Do you know if the LCD registers are used as 16 or 32 bits on the Meizus? |
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| 23:14:01 | kugel | why do people keep adding stuff to MrSomeonesTodoList without any discussion before?= |
| 23:15:53 | kugel | "Implement an EQ calibration plugin that plays tones and allows adjustment of the EQ in order to calibrate for different headphones" when did we agree that it needs to be done? |
| 23:17:30 | bertrik | linuxstb, I think you have to ask markun about the meizu LCD, I haven't looked or worked on that |
| 23:17:34 | * | gevaerts doesn't remember anything like this... |
| 23:18:06 | gevaerts | kugel: seems to have been added by saratoga |
| 23:18:08 | linuxstb | bertrik: I guess we'll find out when you try the code. If the LCD isn't working, that would be the first thing to change back... |
| 23:18:16 | kugel | saratoga seems to have added a lot... |
| 23:18:39 | gevaerts | and yes, I agree that things shouldn't just appear there just because someone thinks it's a good idea |
| 23:19:01 | kugel | gevaerts: the page even says that (NOTE... this is NOT for general feature requests.. this is intended for tasks which have been (in principle) agreed on and just needs someone to do it. ) |
| 23:19:34 | gevaerts | If someone comes along and implements something from that list (and it's coded properly), it should be acceptable without discussion. That's the entire point of the page |
| 23:20:20 | kugel | it also implies a "pre-adding" discussion imo |
| 23:20:41 | gevaerts | of course |
| 23:21:00 | kugel | there are many things that are acceptable without discussion when it's implemented, but this todo list also requires a preceding discussion |
| 23:21:36 | CIA-69 | New commit by rmenes (r21908): FS #10438: New language - Ukrainian by Mykhailo Radzievskyl. |
| 23:21:37 | bluebrother | discussion? |
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| 23:21:48 | bluebrother | what's that? |
| 23:22:13 | gevaerts | well, maybe except for *very* obvious ones. I don't think much discussion would be needed for things like "implement USB on AMS" |
| 23:22:27 | gevaerts | but then those don't tend to end up there anyway |
| 23:22:37 | kugel | of course, but this isn't on MrSomeonesTodoList either |
| 23:23:08 | * | bluebrother wonders what happened to the "natural sorting" discussion / description |
| 23:23:55 | * | gevaerts glares at bluebrother. It was nice and quiet in here! |
| 23:24:40 | * | bluebrother ducks and covers |
| 23:24:51 | bluebrother | sorry, but this was necessary |
| 23:25:54 | bertrik | linuxstb, the display on the meizu m3 still works |
| 23:26:16 | linuxstb | bertrik: Phew! Everything looks OK then? |
| 23:26:27 | bertrik | yes |
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| 23:31:07 | Robert777 | trying to view bmp on Ipod 60 with Jpeg and it says "plugin returned error |
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| 23:31:46 | linuxstb | That's because the jpeg viewer can only view jpegs |
| 23:36:01 | * | bluebrother wonders since when bmp is the same as jpg :o |
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