| 00:00:12 | linuxstb | bertrik: (if you read the logs): ping |
| 00:00:17 | stripwax | Anything inlined (as we talked about last time for vorbis and especially wma) can give rise to slight crazy counts. |
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| 00:06:33 | * | pixelma has a suspicion which revision broke it and the one before works so now for the proof |
| 00:07:02 | pixelma | it = music playback on my Ondio |
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| 00:08:36 | JdGordon| | which one? |
| 00:09:01 | * | JdGordon| hopes its one from 2 months ago |
| 00:11:09 | pixelma | yep... it was r21863 (the strlcpy one). So not your fault but I wonder how (or when) you tested or if it's an Ondio specific problem or |
| 00:11:30 | stripwax | saratoga - woah, cook uses a RNG that needs a mult? |
| 00:11:47 | pixelma | 2 months ago can't be since my old revision wasn't that old |
| 00:12:19 | Unhelpful | amiconn: actually i think he was referring to my arm mdct changes anyway... and i used test_codec for that. also, markun thought you'd had objections to merging some lcd driver things together... would y mind taking a look at FS #4817 |
| 00:12:26 | pixelma | around DevCon-ish |
| 00:12:43 | gevaerts | hm, the strlcpy one is annoying. That's a big one to go through |
| 00:13:56 | pixelma | the crash happens in gui_wps_update which could explain why it happens in cuesheet in recent revisions (address is still "close") |
| 00:14:27 | pixelma | if I read the map file correctly |
| 00:16:52 | gevaerts | if you have the address and rockbox.elf, you can get more accurate results |
| 00:18:32 | gevaerts | "sh-elf-objdump −−disassemble rockbox.elf" will give you a full disassembly, with the addresses in the first column |
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| 00:19:26 | funman | simpler: ../utils/analysis/find_addr.pl 0xabcdef # provided rockbox.elf & rockbox.map are in the current directory |
| 00:19:50 | funman | I had to install http://search.cpan.org/~jhi/String-Scanf-2.1/lib/String/Scanf.pm on ubuntu 9.04 |
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| 00:23:32 | pixelma | JdGordon|: is your Recorder flashed or just "running" Rockbox? |
| 00:23:58 | JdGordon| | just running |
| 00:24:42 | wincent | funman: Your proposition (in the e-mail) of logf() would mean that I have to enter it into every function. Do you have any other ideas? |
| 00:24:43 | pixelma | I'm still trying to understand why the problem only showed up completely after I flashed the new build |
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| 00:25:37 | funman | wincent: you could have a look at profiling (gcc -pg) |
| 00:26:04 | funman | I think it's more complex to setup, but gcc will add a call to a certain function in each function entry |
| 00:27:57 | pixelma | funman: that utility doesn't seem to work in my installation (cygwin) "Can't locate String/Scanf.pm in @INC" |
| 00:28:37 | pixelma | another difference is that my build dir is not inside the source dir |
| 00:28:55 | funman | pixelma: you need to install the package as well (download the .tar.gz; untar; perl Makefile.PM; make; make install) |
| 00:28:56 | pixelma | but I have the path right as tab completion shows |
| 00:28:58 | wincent | funman: Does profiling information include the calling log or does it produce calling statistics only? |
| 00:29:20 | funman | pixelma: you just need to call the find_addr.pl from the build dir |
| 00:29:33 | wincent | funman: I do not need a calling graph, but the calling log. |
| 00:30:02 | pixelma | funman: then that's not easier for now... yes, path was no problem, I just told you in case that makes a difference |
| 00:30:31 | funman | wincent: you can modify the added function (__cyg_profile_* in firmware/profile.c) but i think using logf() is simpler: how much functions do you need to track ? |
| 00:30:46 | funman | pixelma: will be easier when you have other problems in the future ;) |
| 00:31:09 | funman | or perhaps when someone removes the dependancy of this script on extra perl modules |
| 00:31:28 | wincent | funman: The whole pdbox :-) And for the reason of comparison the whole pd-anywhere (original application). |
| 00:31:42 | funman | wincent: i don't know pdbox at all |
| 00:32:18 | wincent | funman: pdbox = plug-in I am working at. |
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| 00:33:56 | funman | do you need to check if functions are called in every .c file of pdbox/ ? |
| 00:34:13 | wincent | yes. |
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| 00:35:54 | funman | i think using gcc -pg with a custom firmware/profile.c is shorter then |
| 00:36:20 | wincent | I will give it a shot. |
| 00:37:03 | funman | i can't tell how you can get the function name however |
| 00:38:13 | funman | perhaps store the pc in an array and compare it to pdbox.map |
| 00:38:19 | funman | the pcs* |
| 00:38:26 | wincent | Hmm. I envision a little perl script that puts "puts("functionname");" after the entry of every function in a file... |
| 00:38:53 | wincent | And another one that removes the "puts" line afterwards :-) |
| 00:39:11 | funman | I can help with the second one: "svn revert . -R" ;) |
| 00:39:33 | wincent | Thanks. That will do :-) |
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| 00:45:35 | stripwax | wincent - what is it you need to do exactly? do you need to profile on-target on just in simulator? |
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| 01:01:11 | wincent | stripwax: I need to compare function calls in the original application, which runs smoothly, and in the Rockbox plug-in, which crashes while loading. |
| 01:01:26 | stripwax | but in sim, or on-target? |
| 01:02:33 | wincent | In the simulator. |
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| 01:03:57 | pixelma | gevaerts: what do I do with the completel line from objdump? |
| 01:04:53 | stripwax | wincent - ok. compiling sim with (rockbox) profiling enabled is pretty broken, so logf and/or puts might be the easy way to go |
| 01:06:12 | wincent | stripwax: Thank you. I think that I might try a libduma memchecker (pdbox crashes because of segmentation fault, caused by a corrupted memory). |
| 01:06:35 | gevaerts | pixelma: send the output to a text file (e.g. "sh-elf-objdump −−disassemble rockbox.elf > output.txt"), and then search for the address you want in the first column. As soon as you find it, move up in the file until you see a line with he function name in it. That's the function you're looking for |
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| 01:13:59 | pixelma | I did that and all I see is e.g. "_gui_wps_update+0x8c" |
| 01:14:27 | pixelma | the map already told me the first part |
| 01:15:14 | gevaerts | except you're now sure it's not a nearby static function |
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| 01:17:28 | pixelma | aha. Can I do something that helps tracking dowm the bug some more? Bug report should follow tomorrow as I really should go to sleep now |
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| 01:18:46 | stripwax | saratoga - yeah, so this should be more meaningful. I had to move a bunch of inline code to noninlined functions to see what their contribution was; and put a bunch of __attribute__ ((no_instrument_function)) around everything else that I wouldn't care about. http://pastebin.com/m76d6cb69 |
| 01:19:32 | gevaerts | pixelma: not sure. I think someone needs to look at it first |
| 01:19:46 | stripwax | In doing so I've probably affected the performance a bit but them's the breaks. |
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| 01:21:02 | pixelma | gevaerts: I see, thanks for the help with that. Still puzzling though why it doesn't seem to hit if you haven't flashed Rockbox (my first try and probably what JdGordon| saw) |
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| 01:23:06 | funman | wincent: did you try running the sim into valgrind? |
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| 01:25:23 | funman | pixelma: gevaerts: IIRC the bug mentioned http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22137.msg152934#msg152934 happens in gui_wps_update() in cuesheet related code |
| 01:27:39 | Unhelpful | stripwax: here's my benchmark plugin for jpeg idct... it wouldn't be hard to add other files to it, change the functions it benchmarks, etc. it also has some support functions for logging the results of transformations, so that you can compare implementations. |
| 01:27:42 | Unhelpful | http://pastie.org/552713 |
| 01:28:12 | pixelma | funman: that would be before the r21863 revision which breaks playback (maybe "just" switching ti the WPS) for me, in my case it makes no difference if I have cuesheet support enabled or disabled |
| 01:28:24 | stripwax | Unhelpful - cheers |
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| 01:34:42 | stripwax | saratoga - updated again. sprinkled a few __attribute__ ((noinline)) around static functions that gcc might otherwise inline, to get a bit more detail into cook.c http://pastebin.com/m7abb46e7 |
| 01:36:12 | stripwax | unpack_SVQH stands out a little, as does categorize. |
| 01:36:26 | derekja | I installed rockbox on a 60 gb ipod. At first I installed the 60gb version, however when I started having crashes, I uninstalled that one and installed the 30gb version. It now crashes less frequently, but still does. Why would this be? |
| 01:37:08 | stripwax | derekja - any info on what sort of crashes you mean? |
| 01:37:36 | stripwax | Note that rockbox doesn't really have a 60gb version versus a 30gb version: it has a "64MB of RAM" version versus a "32MB of RAM" version. |
| 01:37:40 | derekja | stripwax: It goes black and needs to be restarted. |
| 01:37:53 | stripwax | Does the screen say anything? |
| 01:38:05 | derekja | stripwax: how can I tell which the ipod is? |
| 01:38:11 | derekja | stripwax: |
| 01:38:12 | derekja | no |
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| 01:38:39 | stripwax | derekja - generally the 60gb ipod has 64MB but I think some refurbished ipods have only 32MB. |
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| 01:39:10 | derekja | stripwax: it crashed with the 64mb version too |
| 01:39:37 | stripwax | What are you doing at the exact moment the rockbox screen goes black? Any sound coming out? Is this scrollwheel unresponsive? What format audio files are you playing, and is the crash reproducible consistently when you play the same track? |
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| 01:39:56 | stripwax | Also very important, which version of rockbox (including build number) |
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| 01:42:45 | derekja | stripwax: it happens when I try to change the song or open a directory. Everything is unresponsive, it does not happen if a track is playing but you are not touching it. version 3.3 |
| 01:44:43 | stripwax | derekja - does it happen when you skip (left/right) or only when you try and select a new track (select)? when the screen is blank is it still playing music? |
| 01:46:59 | derekja | stripwax: only when a new track is selected, and it is not still playing music? |
| 01:47:08 | derekja | ignore the question mark |
| 01:54:02 | stripwax | So you can use the file browser ok, but when you select the track to play, rockbox freezes, no audio, and no screen? I don't think I've heard of that issue before. Are you using a custom build of any sort? Which format audio files are these? |
| 01:54:45 | stripwax | Is it possible your disk has a filesystem error on it (e.g. try running chkdsk on windows or fsck.vfat on *nix) |
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| 01:59:36 | stripwax | saratoga - last time for tonight, before I sleep. So there's a bunch of inline stuff in bitstream.h that is certainly skewing some of those results. This version (hopefully) has all the inlines excluded from profiling. http://pastebin.com/m2b98ab6b |
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| 02:59:15 | wincent | funman: This is what I intend to do. |
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| 04:58:17 | CIA-69 | New commit by kkurbjun (r21987): Pegbox: Add support for 640x480 screens |
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| 05:19:04 | supacool | hi folks... i've got a bit of a wrangled problem if anyone has any suggestions: a file has two different composer tags (vorbis comments); but I can't figure out how to get my wps screen to display both composers... %ic only ever reads one of the tags |
| 05:23:46 | evilnick | How are they stored? i.e. are they Composer=composer1;composer2 or are they Composer1=composer1 and Composer2=composer2 |
| 05:25:35 | supacool | COMPOSER tags for both; as far as I know Rockbox's wps identifiers would have no way of parsing custom tags like COMPOSER1 and COMPOSER2 |
| 05:26:07 | supacool | two separate tags for two separate composers |
| 05:30:14 | supacool | I'd prefer not to resort to listing all composers in one tag comment because it defeats the advantages you gain by keeping them separate (i.e., browsing a database by composer |
| 05:35:45 | supacool | Update: I just checked and it seems the database is affected also... that is, only one composer tag per file is ever parsed |
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| 05:47:43 | CIA-69 | New commit by saratoga (r21989): Commited the wrong thing, fix zeroing in cook. |
| 05:51:12 | JdGordon | supacool: you cant do it |
| 05:52:11 | supacool | yeah, i realized that... i'm gonna starting looking through some source because it should be something that can be done |
| 05:53:01 | CIA-69 | New commit by kkurbjun (r21990): Star, Flipit, Rockblox, Sokoban, Wormlet: Add support for 640x480 screens |
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| 05:53:23 | supacool | maybe tomorrow though, today I'm tired; thanks folks |
| 05:53:27 | evilnick | How about setting one composer to the Comment tag? Wouldn't be ideal, but it's a quick fix |
| 05:53:52 | supacool | not if the file already has a comment tag |
| 05:54:42 | supacool | plus I hate hacky solutions |
| 05:56:44 | supacool | everything seems to stem from the fact that vorbis tags are arbitrarily forced to fit the ID3 scheme because that's what was used in Rockbox first |
| 05:58:52 | safetydan | it would be nice if there was some sort of map structure for tags |
| 05:59:18 | safetydan | a wps could be written like %tag{COMPOSER} |
| 05:59:56 | safetydan | you could then add indexes for duplicates like %tag{COMPOSER}[1] |
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| 06:07:25 | Dhraakellian | oooh |
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| 06:25:04 | iwonder | why is there so much hard drive activity just switching between folders? |
| 06:25:19 | iwonder | on the iPod video |
| 06:25:47 | iwonder | there's about a good 5 to 10 second latency on switching folders |
| 06:26:15 | kkurbjun | iwonder: it is much faster if you enable diskcache |
| 06:26:21 | iwonder | ah |
| 06:26:28 | Llorean | 5-10 seconds suggests something's wrong though |
| 06:26:29 | iwonder | where |
| 06:26:31 | kkurbjun | or you can turn up the spindown time |
| 06:26:47 | Llorean | It shouldn't be more than a couple. |
| 06:26:53 | Llorean | And it's "dircache" |
| 06:26:59 | kkurbjun | Llorean: sounds like spinup |
| 06:27:27 | Llorean | kkurbjun: 5-10 seconds is a lot longer than spinup *should* be though. |
| 06:28:07 | supacool | fragmentation of the data on the drive might be an actual issue, no? |
| 06:28:32 | Llorean | Isn't this just FAT stuff, fragmentation shouldn't matter? |
| 06:33:10 | iwonder | ok, so WHY wasn't Directory Cache *enabled* at default? |
| 06:33:17 | iwonder | it works almost instantly now |
| 06:33:20 | iwonder | as it should |
| 06:33:55 | Llorean | Some people would rather not waste RAM on making browsing a small amount faster when most of the time they're just listening to music. |
| 06:34:10 | Llorean | as well, dircache has some limitations (size limits) still that can cause problems for some users. |
| 06:34:15 | iwonder | it's not small at all |
| 06:34:19 | iwonder | it's night & day |
| 06:34:30 | Llorean | For you, because there's something else wrong. |
| 06:34:49 | iwonder | <kkurbjun> iwonder: it is much faster if you enable diskcache |
| 06:35:00 | iwonder | hmm.. someone else seems to have the same issue |
| 06:35:01 | Llorean | Yes, I was here, I saw that. |
| 06:35:17 | Llorean | Dircache speeds things up, but it shouldn't be 5-10 seconds without it. It should be 2-3 tops. |
| 06:35:33 | iwonder | well, it is at least 5 seconds |
| 06:35:41 | Llorean | Which is why I said there's probably something else wrong. |
| 06:35:50 | Llorean | You're seeing unusually long times. |
| 06:35:54 | iwonder | probably because i transferred huge amounts of mp3's & data files to it |
| 06:35:56 | kkurbjun | iwonder: there was some talk about changing the defaults, but it has not been done yet |
| 06:35:58 | iwonder | 20+ gigs |
| 06:36:02 | iwonder | not sure |
| 06:36:14 | supacool | iwonder: i'm curious how many files on average you have per directory... a giant flat structure for all your music would cause delays |
| 06:36:19 | kkurbjun | you might also want to run a scan on your player just to make sure there are no problems on the HD |
| 06:36:40 | iwonder | supacool, i minimized most of my folders to 100 or less |
| 06:36:52 | iwonder | i had over 1,000 in one and it said "dir buffer is full" |
| 06:37:17 | iwonder | but now, i'm not sure if it would be an issue with directory cache enabled |
| 06:37:23 | kkurbjun | iwonder: you can increase the maximum size of that as well in the menus |
| 06:37:32 | kkurbjun | it will still say that with dircache |
| 06:37:42 | kkurbjun | at least I believe it will |
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| 06:41:31 | iwonder | oh & thanks to the person who created this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxFontConvertor |
| 06:41:55 | iwonder | i now use Century Gothic size 15 as the Perfect font for iPod video! |
| 06:43:34 | iwonder | some other cool style fonts: Jokerman, Chiller, Lucida Calligraphy |
| 06:44:33 | iwonder | though, Century Gothic, Trebuchet, Verdana, & Bookman old style are probably the most legible |
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| 06:46:05 | iwonder | instead of stating "dir buffer is full" it could have said something like "more than 1,000 files in folder. try minimizing files in folder or you can specify the max size here" |
| 06:46:43 | scorche | iwonder: keep in mind that rockbox runs on a *lot* of devices with very different LCDs...that massive message wouldnt hope to fit on anything except the largets screens |
| 06:47:00 | scorche | largest |
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| 06:48:08 | iwonder | or Rockbox could time the latency of switching between folders, seeking, forward/next tracks, and have a customizable threshold (default of say 2 seconds) to notify user to automatically enable Directory Cache |
| 06:48:25 | iwonder | or just have it as a default (and allow it to be disabled) if one really needs the memory |
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| 06:50:37 | safetydan | iwonder: the last option is the one most likely to happen. everything else just sounds complicated |
| 06:51:22 | iwonder | yep |
| 06:51:32 | iwonder | :) |
| 06:51:39 | iwonder | sorry for complicating things unnecessarily |
| 06:51:47 | iwonder | we need to have less burdens, not more |
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| 06:52:02 | iwonder | esp. if the pay-off is not too great for the amount of time/head-aches involved ;) |
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| 06:54:05 | iwonder | i also think a font similar to Century Gothic size 15 would be a Great default for iPod video |
| 06:54:23 | iwonder | and certainly not the default one chosen, which is far too small |
| 06:54:38 | iwonder | if you have seen that font on the iPod video, you'd probably agree |
| 06:56:29 | safetydan | iwonder: if you can find a suitably licensed font that fits, it can always be added |
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| 07:06:00 | iwonder | is there a way to quick search the folder? |
| 07:06:17 | iwonder | i don't see it in the manual |
| 07:07:33 | iwonder | a filter as you type |
| 07:11:15 | iwonder | could be opened by holding down the play/pause button in the file list, and then you can scroll through each letter of the alphabet |
| 07:11:38 | iwonder | select button confirms letter & jumps to the first hit in the file list |
| 07:12:00 | iwonder | scrolling & selecting more letters filters the list more |
| 07:12:09 | iwonder | that's how it was on my Nomad JB3 |
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| 07:12:27 | iwonder | makes things a lot easier, when you don't have playlists setup (yet) |
| 07:12:52 | iwonder | but even playlists it can be useful if there are many songs |
| 07:15:25 | iwonder | also makes it less important to have such a tiny font size and have to squint to read each song |
| 07:15:27 | iwonder | ;) |
| 07:15:37 | iwonder | because what you want to see, is seen clearly |
| 07:15:47 | iwonder | you just filter & jump to it |
| 07:16:21 | iwonder | is there a way to make the sensitivity of the ipod wheel be less 'jumpy'? |
| 07:22:51 | iwonder | filtering the song list could be sped up further by Rockbox detecting the letters in the song list that are in that sequence (thus saving you the time & movement) of scrolling thru letters that are not in that same sequence |
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| 07:28:21 | iwonder | eg: already having the filter letters of 'per' will only only show the letters 'k' & 'c' if the only songs in the list with "per" in them are perk* or perc* |
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| 07:32:44 | iwonder | by holding down the Track Forward button one can have Rockbox look for those words, but unlike normally, do not have to be the first letters of the song/filename |
| 07:33:40 | iwonder | Track Forward button ie when you are already in the filter mode |
| 07:36:21 | iwonder | a good default would be to have Rockbox have its filter mode search for Song titles in the format of "Artist - Song name.mp3" or be able to switch to filter by Artists |
| 07:36:36 | iwonder | without having to have id3 tags |
| 07:39:03 | iwonder | it could also support wildcards, ??? * or even further, boolean :) |
| 07:39:50 | evilnick_home | Why *wouldn't* you want to tag your music files? |
| 07:40:01 | iwonder | next |
| 07:40:03 | iwonder | ! |
| 07:40:06 | iwonder | ;) |
| 07:40:50 | iwonder | you obviously do not understand |
| 07:41:04 | iwonder | about designing good software adaptive to the user |
| 07:41:24 | iwonder | you do not value it |
| 07:41:36 | iwonder | at least not as much as i do |
| 07:42:47 | scorche|sh | you really |
| 07:42:49 | scorche|sh | should stop |
| 07:42:53 | scorche|sh | talking like this... |
| 07:43:17 | iwonder | when you can make things more accessible, without slowing down or causing other things more important to break, and the time/energy is worth the added usefulness to all the users who use it, I say - go for it! |
| 07:43:24 | iwonder | hehe |
| 07:44:13 | evilnick_home | iwonder: Features like that might be useful for you personally but for people with properly tagged music wouldn't be much use and they'd cut down on available memory for all users |
| 07:44:22 | safetydan | iwonder: with Rockbox it's always a trade off between RAM usage and usability for all |
| 07:44:40 | iwonder | evilnick - don't speak as if i'm the only one who could use this |
| 07:44:59 | Llorean | iwonder: So put up a patch showing how little RAM-use increase it can be done with. |
| 07:45:06 | scorche|sh | that said, i think you are misunderstanding out "target audience" if you will...also, are you very familiar with embedded development?...everything we add has an impact...each new 'feature' needs to be carefully looked over because every aded code adds to the core size of rockbox...the bigger rockbox gets, the more memory it takes up...the more memory it takes up, the less there is for the audio buffer...the less there is for the audio |
| 07:45:28 | evilnick_home | I assume that the majority of people do tag their music. Is that an invalid assumption? |
| 07:45:53 | Mikachu | scorche|sh: use enter more :P was it supposed to end at "the less there is for the audio"? |
| 07:46:06 | scorche|sh | some of this stuff might be nice for some people, but if it negatively impacts the rest, it isnt worth implementing without careful consideration |
| 07:46:11 | scorche|sh | the less there is for the audio buffer...the less there is for the audio buffer, the less battery life we get |
| 07:46:59 | iwonder | you have to know how to code well i guess to do it |
| 07:47:07 | iwonder | if you don't, than the other stuff may suffer |
| 07:47:17 | iwonder | you have to know the code intimately obviously |
| 07:47:24 | Mikachu | yes, or be able to argue your point without insulting everyone who responds ;) |
| 07:47:32 | iwonder | i don't see it as a impossibility |
| 07:47:35 | scorche|sh | even if you do know how to code well, some things that people (including you) request would still be a massive addition for not much gain |
| 07:47:40 | iwonder | if the nomad jb3 with very limited cpu/memory could do this |
| 07:47:53 | Llorean | iwonder: "can do" isn't the same as "should do" |
| 07:48:08 | Llorean | It may be that they could've offered better battery life if they'd been more considerate of what is or isn't truly necessary |
| 07:48:16 | iwonder | what is the goal of Rockbox? |
| 07:48:46 | iwonder | to make things easier for people to access, play, & manipulate their music? |
| 07:48:51 | Llorean | Possibly "To be good at playing audio" |
| 07:48:59 | Llorean | Possibly "to be what the people actually writing it want it to be" |
| 07:49:46 | Llorean | You seem to be missing the point that adding more features slowly makes it a *worse* audio player, which is basically the core function, so it needs to be decided which features are worth degrading this core function for. |
| 07:49:48 | evilnick_home | iwonder: Most of what you've suggested is already possible using the database. I wonder why you don't want to tag your files. |
| 07:49:51 | iwonder | Llorean, are you very familiar with the code Rockbox uses? |
| 07:50:02 | iwonder | and understand how it works quite well? |
| 07:50:27 | Llorean | What's the point of being able to more quickly get to your files for playback, if playback is bad? |
| 07:50:29 | iwonder | if you don't, your statements are pretty baseless |
| 07:50:50 | iwonder | in fact, they are just arrogant ignorance masquerading as somehow true |
| 07:51:21 | evilnick_home | iwonder: Do you reside in a greenhouse? |
| 07:51:28 | Llorean | iwonder: You really should be careful throwing random insults around. |
| 07:52:46 | iwonder | i think most would users & programmers that know Rockbox's code well would agree: filter as you type searches is doable & very handy |
| 07:52:52 | iwonder | for many purposes |
| 07:52:58 | iwonder | -would :) |
| 07:53:14 | Mikachu | and you base this on everyone telling you the opposite? |
| 07:53:39 | scorche|sh | no one said it wasnt doable either...we are just saying that it really isnt worth it - especially considering what one can do with database |
| 07:53:50 | Llorean | iwonder: Nobody said it wasn't doable. They just said it *might* not be worth the cost. |
| 07:54:04 | Llorean | iwonder: As I said, feel free to prove us wrong by showing how little code it can be done with |
| 07:54:22 | scorche|sh | but if you can come up with a patch that implements it in a very minimal way codebloat-wise, then i would be happy to see it.. |
| 07:57:41 | iwonder | -.- |
| 07:58:34 | Llorean | iwonder: You do realize this is entirely volunteer work - people do what they're interested in. If you want it badly enough, do it. If you don't, don't complain that other programmers really aren't interested in it. |
| 07:59:18 | iwonder | so you speak with the 'other' programmers voice? do you know what they think about this? |
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| 07:59:26 | iwonder | in the way I described filter as you type above? |
| 07:59:34 | scorche|sh | iwonder: yes he does...because we are in here talking to you too |
| 07:59:43 | iwonder | if not, you really should not put their voice to make it fit with your own |
| 07:59:53 | scorche|sh | he speaks with his voice, but that voice is mostly in line with the rest of our thoughts |
| 07:59:56 | Llorean | iwonder: I'm only stating that several other programmers have already told you their opinions. |
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| 08:01:04 | scorche|sh | and in the same vein, you really should stop acting as "the users'" voice when you dont knwo for sure what the majority of them think about this |
| 08:01:12 | evilnick_home | iwonder: I don't understand why you would rather Rockbox implement something that would benefit only a very small number of users, rather than you using a saner directory structure or by tagging your files. |
| 08:01:15 | * | iwonder sighs :Oo |
| 08:01:19 | * | iwonder knocks on wood |
| 08:01:30 | iwonder | you don't know what i'm talking about then |
| 08:01:45 | pixelma | iwonder: did you know that you can just let the WPS display the song name (with or without the file name) if there are is e.g. no artist tag? And maybe the database filters could also help you... you should really look into this |
| 08:01:51 | iwonder | just a basic filter as you type - doesn't have to have to extra features i stated (at least for now) |
| 08:01:57 | evilnick_home | Please explain how your suggestion is better. |
| 08:02:08 | pixelma | errr... I meant "display the filename" |
| 08:02:09 | Llorean | iwonder: As we've said - feel free to implement it. |
| 08:02:31 | scorche|sh | iwonder: things can appear "basic" to users, but programming those features can often turn out to be quite the opposite of basic |
| 08:02:54 | iwonder | :O\ |
| 08:02:56 | iwonder | i know this |
| 08:02:59 | pixelma | and "with or without the extension" |
| 08:03:02 | iwonder | (somewhat :) |
| 08:03:30 | iwonder | one thing leads to another, especially with programming |
| 08:03:48 | iwonder | ok, than don't |
| 08:04:18 | iwonder | simple. problem solved. i need to put my attention on stuff that will actually be of help |
| 08:04:59 | Llorean | You need to put your attention on *doing* stuff, rather than saying "hey, you guys really should do what I say" |
| 08:05:18 | iwonder | probably because i don't have much energy left |
| 08:05:27 | iwonder | in many ways |
| 08:05:31 | iwonder | anyway, i need to go |
| 08:05:56 | iwonder | hopefully my ideas will eventually be implemented |
| 08:06:00 | evilnick_home | By all means come up with suggestions, but the way you phrased them was a little antagonistic |
| 08:06:09 | iwonder | not my ideas, but many others |
| 08:06:38 | scorche|sh | and if you want something done, insulting the people you are trying to get to implement them is not the recommended way of accomplishing your goals.. |
| 08:06:53 | iwonder | insulting? |
| 08:06:56 | iwonder | how so? |
| 08:07:01 | evilnick_home | And your proof is where? You're claiming "many others" |
| 08:07:35 | iwonder | you don't need proof to know something |
| 08:07:44 | Llorean | iwonder: Throwing phrases like "arrogant ignorance" around makes you sound insulting. |
| 08:07:56 | Llorean | And to know what the user base wants, you do need at least some significant polling. |
| 08:08:08 | iwonder | or you can use your intuition |
| 08:08:24 | iwonder | you can use your experience of what works for you |
| 08:08:24 | Llorean | That's not knowing. That's guessing, blindly. |
| 08:08:31 | evilnick_home | YOU know that YOU could use this new feature. That's one user. Then you claim "many users" so you can easily prove that one user would use it, you cannot prove that many would. |
| 08:08:39 | Llorean | I would bet you a significant amount of money I have more experience with the *Rockbox* userbase than anyone else here. |
| 08:08:48 | iwonder | knowing what works for one, often works for others, especially if it's already been done before and shown to work well |
| 08:09:08 | Llorean | In fact, I probably have more experience interacting directly with our users than any three people in this room combined. |
| 08:09:11 | evilnick_home | iwonder: If it works so well, how many other DAPs employ a similar feature? |
| 08:09:25 | iwonder | Llorean, maybe so, but you do not hear the words of those who usually do not speak or voice their opinion |
| 08:09:34 | scorche|sh | iwonder: and you do? |
| 08:09:42 | iwonder | i am that voice |
| 08:09:45 | iwonder | ;o) |
| 08:09:47 | scorche|sh | ... |
| 08:09:49 | Mikachu | (this is hilarious) |
| 08:10:00 | iwonder | at least it makes someone laugh ;) |
| 08:10:09 | Llorean | iwonder: So you magically know what everyone's been keeping silent about? And yet, our intuitions are all wrong, and your lone one is right? |
| 08:10:29 | iwonder | this is true, Llorean |
| 08:10:30 | safetydan | iwonder: stick your ideas on the Feature Ideas section of the forum. Then you can get some other users to comment. |
| 08:12:21 | Llorean | iwonder: If you want people to take you at all seriously, you really need to stop claiming to "know" what anyone other than you wants. |
| 08:12:28 | r0b- | why would rockbox show 441 songs when theres only 435 |
| 08:12:47 | Llorean | r0b-: Recycle binned a few? |
| 08:13:42 | r0b- | even running disktidy didnt do anything |
| 08:13:42 | evilnick_home | r0b-: Run the Disktidy plugin to clear out the Recycle Bin (or equivalent) and then Initialise Database again - that ought to fix it. |
| 08:14:22 | Mikachu | didn't someone say that the count includes non-music files too? |
| 08:14:29 | Mikachu | (although nobody said which count we are talking about yet) |
| 08:14:54 | r0b- | i guess now i check sub folders |
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| 08:15:54 | evilnick_home | r0b-: Where are you getting the count from? The stats plugin? The database? |
| 08:16:05 | r0b- | stats plugin |
| 08:16:36 | evilnick_home | What player? |
| 08:16:52 | r0b- | e200 |
| 08:20:28 | * | evilnick_home wonders how r0b- knows there are 7 less songs on the DAP |
| 08:20:48 | r0b- | i used the properties of the folders |
| 08:21:07 | r0b- | My Music contains 436 files |
| 08:21:15 | r0b- | theres no other music on the thing |
| 08:21:35 | r0b- | hmmm |
| 08:21:38 | r0b- | just found them :P |
| 08:21:41 | r0b- | Recordings |
| 08:21:41 | evilnick_home | Aha! |
| 08:22:50 | r0b- | for the record "I AM NOT INSANE" |
| 08:23:18 | r0b- | now im going to bed :) |
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| 16:01:54 | CIA-8 | New commit by peter (r21993): By Wincent Balin: add a new (better) memory allocation library for pdbox. Next commit will remove dbestfit and make pdbox use this one. |
| 16:03:38 | linuxstb | petur: In what way is it better? |
| 16:04:06 | * | petur relays the question to wincent |
| 16:04:23 | petur | I think it was better errorchecking |
| 16:06:08 | petur | and he suspected dbestfiit contained a bug |
| 16:06:17 | * | petur shakes wincent awake |
| 16:06:51 | petur | seems he's away for the moment |
| 16:11:15 | * | linuxstb waits... |
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| 16:13:05 | petur | I suspect he ran off to do something, I was chatting with him just before the commit |
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| 16:26:56 | linuxstb | petur: Ah, I've just read wincent's mail to the dev list last night. IIUC, he's been trying various "malloc" libraries, and tlsf was the only one he got working correctly. |
| 16:27:14 | daurn | trying to use some lua stuff in sim: "Incompatible version" |
| 16:27:29 | linuxstb | Did you do a "make install" after compiling? |
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| 16:28:12 | daurn | uh, no :P |
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| 16:34:36 | wincent | linuxstb, peter: Sorry, as Peter suspected correctly, I was away from cumputer. |
| 16:35:16 | wincent | linuxstb: You are right, the lack of crashing was the cause of choosing TLSF. |
| 16:35:32 | CIA-8 | New commit by teru (r21994): text_editor: don't set filename "/" before input new filename so that user can easily create copy in same directory. ... |
| 16:35:53 | linuxstb | wincent: OK. I was just curious what "better" meant in the commit message. |
| 16:36:09 | wincent | linuxstb: Also, it is quite fast. |
| 16:37:57 | linuxstb | wincent: I'm not quite sure what you are asking on the mailing list - are you asking for some kind of profiling, which will tell you which functions are (and are not) called/ |
| 16:37:58 | linuxstb | ? |
| 16:38:13 | wincent | linuxstb: Yes. |
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| 16:39:03 | linuxstb | There are already ways to profile Rockbox, but I've never done it, so don't know the details. |
| 16:39:11 | BryanJacobs | like you'd get from a debugger stack trace? |
| 16:39:29 | daurn | lua plugin looks in wrong places when requiring |
| 16:40:05 | BryanJacobs | for behavioral analysis, strace is very helpful |
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| 16:40:19 | BryanJacobs | if you strace the sim you'll see every system call made - that includes open() |
| 16:41:45 | wincent | BryanJacobs: I would like to see every function, not every system call. |
| 16:42:05 | BryanJacobs | well then, you can either insert logging statements at the function entry or use breakpoints |
| 16:42:10 | BryanJacobs | or integer counters |
| 16:42:27 | BryanJacobs | or you can use oprof or some such but I'm not sure how that'd work |
| 16:43:15 | wincent | BryanJacobs: Last night I spoke with funman, and what we got to agree on was a scripts that inserts puts("functionname"); into every function. |
| 16:43:30 | BryanJacobs | heh. |
| 16:43:59 | BryanJacobs | that'll be fun... are you changing the compiler, or just using a macro you add by hand to every function? |
| 16:45:16 | linuxstb | wincent: There's some documentation on profiling in docs/TECH (in the source code). |
| 16:48:03 | wincent | linuxstb: Profinling is not what I need, because I need to compare function running logs from the original PDa application and from pdbox, so the aforementioned script which enters puts("functionname") is the sole way to go, or so it seems. |
| 16:48:58 | Unhelpful | you want not just counts for function calls and time spent in functions, but an in-order list of individual function calls? |
| 16:49:37 | wincent | Unhelpful: Yes, this list is what I intend to receive. |
| 16:50:41 | Unhelpful | add a global for the current stack depth, and make it a tree ;) |
| 16:53:20 | wincent | Unhelpful: That will be unhelpful :-) |
| 16:54:38 | wincent | wincent: Because I intend to compare both lists, and the stack depth will not be of much use in this comparison. |
| 16:55:01 | Unhelpful | you need to tell yourself that? ;) |
| 16:55:07 | wincent | Unhelpful: −−−−−−−−−−−−−−^ |
| 16:55:32 | wincent | Unhelpful: This is what I thought too :-> |
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| 17:08:33 | AsaelReiter | Hi |
| 17:08:45 | mt | linuxstb: (question ~7 hours ago) |
| 17:10:16 | AsaelReiter | I installed rockbox on my Sansa Clip, and it works mostly fine. |
| 17:11:09 | Torne | i hear a but coming |
| 17:12:10 | AsaelReiter | I saw that you want testers, and I think I can help |
| 17:13:08 | mt | also, I figured the extradata bytes for aac are for object_type, sampling_rate and channel_configuration, the init function now works fine, as does the frames parsing. Something is still wrong with decoding though (always getting a 'Maximum number of scalefactor bands exceeded' error). |
| 17:13:09 | Unhelpful | wincent: ltrace and/or gdb can't do this for you? :/ |
| 17:13:55 | AsaelReiter | So, can you add me to the list (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting)? (or give me write access?) |
| 17:14:17 | wincent | Unhelpful: gdb might do only with breakpoint at the entry of every function, which would be too time-consuming. |
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| 17:15:05 | saratoga | if you just want to see what functions are called, can't you use DEBUGF? |
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| 17:16:18 | wincent | Unhelpful: ltrace ... I am looking into it. I know he tool already. |
| 17:16:39 | wincent | saratoga: Too much DEBUGFs. (Every functionin PDBox... ) |
| 17:16:57 | BryanJacobs | why not be a little more methodical? |
| 17:17:01 | BryanJacobs | use the mprotect call |
| 17:17:11 | BryanJacobs | protect every function from reading, install your own segfault handler |
| 17:17:27 | BryanJacobs | and then at the end, the pages which never triggered a SEGV were not read and thus the function was not called |
| 17:17:43 | linuxstb | mt: Without reading through the code, I don't know. But I would be surprised if AAC didn't support mono... |
| 17:17:57 | BryanJacobs | you'd need to disable ASLR probably in order to get the function-to-address mapping right |
| 17:18:36 | linuxstb | mt: Although thinking about it, maybe Rockbox doesn't understand mono/stereo, and codecs are always required to generate stereo streams... |
| 17:18:40 | saratoga | how many functions are called when you get your crash? |
| 17:19:04 | saratoga | you're using a test file right? presumably it doesn't use every function in the code |
| 17:19:06 | BryanJacobs | linuxstb: isn't there a ci->dsp option for that? |
| 17:20:06 | wincent | saratoga: The real trick is the question which functions does the original application use, the one that, using the same mem-allocator, does not crash? |
| 17:20:51 | BryanJacobs | wincent: all you're trying to do is track down a crash? Can't you just gdb the sim and run a bt when the crash happens? |
| 17:21:38 | Unhelpful | ltrace crashes for me on various functions depending on which library i ask it to trace |
| 17:21:51 | mt | linuxstb: I'm just asking because of this line : ci->configure(DSP_SET_STEREO_MODE, STEREO_NONINTERLEAVED); - This is not the case for cook, or a number of other codecs. But why are you saying that maybe rockbox doesn't understand stereo/mono ? |
| 17:22:22 | linuxstb | mt: I meant that it's not stored in the metadata struct. But yes, I understand your question now... |
| 17:23:17 | linuxstb | mt: This line seems important - "conf->outputFormat = FAAD_FMT_24BIT; /* irrelevant, we don't convert */" - maybe the AAC decoder has been hacked to always return stereo samples. Or maybe we don't support mono AAC streams, and no-one noticed... |
| 17:24:02 | wincent | BryanJacobs: Did so. The cognition was that an internal variable in mem-allocator becomes a value it never should. After that I made my own allocator, and then I got SEGFAULTs. But the original application worked with my allocator perfectly. Hence the whole "methodicity" :-> . |
| 17:24:03 | saratoga | isn't that line just saying that we don't truncate/clip samples to 24 bit? |
| 17:24:36 | linuxstb | saratoga: Probably, yes. |
| 17:24:49 | wincent | Unhelpful: ltrace works with PDa (original application) very well. But it does not want to work with simulator. |
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| 17:25:24 | BryanJacobs | well anyhow, the method I described above will work so long as each function is on its own page |
| 17:25:41 | Torne | hm, is the wps supposed to say "Battery: 294h 0m"? :) |
| 17:25:46 | Torne | it's plugged in and fully charged |
| 17:26:05 | BryanJacobs | Torne: maybe it's drawing just a little more than the wall can provide :-) |
| 17:26:15 | funman | Torne: it means the power consumption of your target has never been measured |
| 17:26:26 | Torne | funman: it has, honest |
| 17:26:31 | BryanJacobs | or maybe it's just like http://xkcd.com/ |
| 17:26:45 | Torne | it displays the right value under other circumstances |
| 17:26:58 | Torne | it's just ipodvideo |
| 17:27:08 | funman | what does system > rockbox info say ? |
| 17:27:22 | Torne | 98% 294h 0m |
| 17:28:11 | Torne | battery status says charged, with ibat=0mA |
| 17:28:43 | Torne | so all indication is that it's fully charged and just sitting there running off the usb power |
| 17:28:47 | funman | Torne: did you check r21565 ? |
| 17:29:23 | Torne | Hrm |
| 17:29:45 | Torne | if i pull the usb cable it immediately becomes the number i expect |
| 17:30:18 | saratoga | which player? |
| 17:30:23 | Torne | ipodvideo |
| 17:31:12 | funman | Torne: i believe when charging, the number displayed is the time needed until 100% charged ? |
| 17:31:23 | BryanJacobs | that's a long time to cap things off |
| 17:31:28 | Torne | funman: that's possible. i've not really paid attention to it |
| 17:31:33 | AsaelReiter | can somebody add me to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting ? |
| 17:31:40 | Torne | but it says "charged", not charging, for the status |
| 17:31:52 | Torne | and it's with the charging patch so it is able to pull 500mA from the USB port |
| 17:32:01 | Torne | the PCF says there is no current flowing in or out of the battery |
| 17:32:21 | saratoga | i didn't even know we tried to estimate charging time |
| 17:32:30 | funman | AsaelReiter: what is your wiki name ? i can give you writing rights so you could do it yourself ;) |
| 17:32:36 | wincent | Unhelpful: ltrace gets stuck on SDL_Init . What do you think of it? |
| 17:33:01 | Torne | aha |
| 17:33:12 | Torne | there's no CURRENT_USB definition for ipods |
| 17:33:17 | Torne | maybe that's the culprit? |
| 17:33:33 | Torne | it only has CURRENT_{NORMAL,BACKLIGHT,RECORD} |
| 17:33:43 | wincent | Does anybody have an experience how to run the simulator under ltrace? |
| 17:33:49 | AsaelReiter | funman: my wiki name is AsaelReiter |
| 17:34:02 | saratoga | thats not defined for anything but archos, are you sure its still used? |
| 17:34:18 | Torne | it looks uses in powermgmt.c, yes |
| 17:34:36 | Torne | under a complicated set of conditions that you can look at for yourself :) |
| 17:34:46 | Torne | but which i believe does apply to the ipod |
| 17:35:00 | linuxstb | Adding a #warning would confirm... |
| 17:35:20 | Torne | ..hm, this makes it rather unclear what CURRENT_USB is supposed ot be |
| 17:35:50 | Torne | I've not really used it with usb power connected but not in usb mode before |
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| 17:35:56 | Torne | so had not previously noticed |
| 17:36:10 | saratoga | i don't understand how you would estimate battery charging time using a single current number . . . |
| 17:36:15 | funman | AsaelReiter: now you should be able to modify the wiki |
| 17:36:30 | AsaelReiter | thanks! |
| 17:36:34 | Torne | saratoga: it's a really rough guess :) |
| 17:36:44 | Torne | oh wait |
| 17:36:46 | Torne | no, i see what yo umean |
| 17:37:17 | Torne | it's not using a single number |
| 17:37:23 | Torne | it's CURRENT_MAX_CHG - runcurrent() |
| 17:38:03 | Torne | ...and CURRENT_MAX_CHG is not defined for most targets either |
| 17:38:06 | saratoga | defined for a total of two targets |
| 17:38:11 | Torne | it defaults to 350 |
| 17:38:11 | saratoga | 1 unsupported |
| 17:38:14 | Torne | which is entirely arbitrary |
| 17:38:29 | AsaelReiter | And thanks again for the work on the AMS models. |
| 17:38:48 | Torne | so it is indeed working out how long it takes for the last 2% |
| 17:38:53 | Torne | which the power controller is ignoring anyway |
| 17:38:57 | saratoga | i don't think the logic in there even works anyway |
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| 17:39:01 | Torne | and it's doing it based on entirely bogus values |
| 17:39:03 | saratoga | at least for a lipoly battery |
| 17:39:06 | Torne | okay then :) |
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| 17:39:27 | Torne | the pcf has happily stopped charging at what rockbox thinks is 98% |
| 17:39:43 | saratoga | i think for that to work you'd want to ask the charge controller how much current its feeding the battery like I htink the gigabeatS does |
| 17:39:52 | Torne | anyway, that answers the question |
| 17:40:11 | saratoga | although just disabling that on targets without CURRENT_MAX_CHG would probably be the best solution |
| 17:40:23 | Torne | Yah, possibly.. |
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| 17:41:56 | * | Torne puts it on his list :) |
| 17:42:07 | funman | AsaelReiter: if you want to help with the Clip port, something that doesn't need programming skills is looking at keymap (I remember radio screen keymap is pretty bad, but perhaps i'm confused with the Fuze keymap..) |
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| 17:44:54 | Torne | yeah, it's not the charging time.. |
| 17:45:16 | Torne | if i let it discharge a bit then plug it in again it comes up with a charging time, which is a couple minutes and goes down too fast (because the numbers are wrong) |
| 17:45:48 | Torne | but once it fills up and the charging icon vanishes it immediately goes to being huge again. :) |
| 17:46:40 | * | Torne will investigate properly later. |
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| 17:48:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Question... I tried iBugger again to load the Rockbox bootloader onto my nano2g. When I invoke control.py execute 0x222000000, am I supposed to see something immediately? |
| 17:49:37 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: Things are a bit unreliable, so it depends on what versions of things you're using. Are you using iBugger-0.1e and latest SVN? Also, the address 0x22000000 |
| 17:50:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: I just noticed I entered it wrong. :P |
| 17:50:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also I didn't see iBugger-0.1e was released. |
| 17:51:16 | * | LambdaCalculus37 shall update iBugger and try again |
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| 17:52:43 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: Yes, for some reason Rockbox stopped working with 0.1d... I never bothered to investigate though (things are too early in the port). |
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| 17:56:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: I was wondering why iBugger-0.1c was working for me at first and 0.1d wasn't. But at least I know that I can try again. |
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| 17:57:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Also (slightly OT) how do you sleep your nano2g when the main menu on the OF is frozen and the nano isn't responding to button presses except MENU+SELECT? |
| 17:58:13 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: The syntax for iControl.py has changed slightly - you need to give it both an execute address and stack address. Rockbox sets its own stack, so I just use 0 for that. |
| 17:58:28 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: I go into diagnostics mode, then Sleep -> Deep Sleep Test |
| 17:58:54 | linuxstb | (or remove the notes file) |
| 17:59:26 | TheSeven | linuxstb: you won't need you "return to ibugger" code any more :-P |
| 17:59:57 | TheSeven | ibugger is now able of re-uploading the code while it's running |
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| 18:36:31 | PaulJam | doesn't cabbie use viewports too? he writes the inbuilt ones are all ok. |
| 18:37:00 | gevaerts | it doesn't |
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| 18:40:49 | PaulJam | ok. (the h300 version uses viewports, so i thought this is true for the other targets too.) |
| 18:41:07 | * | linuxstb would first challenge the assumption that it's related to viewports... |
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| 18:53:19 | kkurbjunW | gevaerts: I didn't realize that you had an M:Robe 500 too |
| 18:53:33 | gevaerts | kkurbjunW: I haven't had it for long :) |
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| 18:54:04 | kkurbjunW | :), have you gotten a chance to run rockbox on it yet? |
| 18:54:38 | gevaerts | it's installed, yes. I've even tried a 640x480 build |
| 18:54:54 | * | gevaerts wanted to see exactly how slow mpegplayer would be :) |
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| 18:55:05 | kkurbjunW | oh, nice :) |
| 18:56:00 | kkurbjunW | if you are interested in messing around with the hardware on it I can point you to some documentation and information we have on the player |
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| 18:56:55 | kkurbjunW | what's your take on the supportable status for the player? Do you think it's in a usable state for most people? |
| 18:57:20 | gevaerts | It seems to work fine for general playback, so yes |
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| 19:06:38 | kkurbjunW | ej0rge: you should try it :), installation is pretty easy - the wiki has general instructions and the downloads |
| 19:09:14 | ej0rge | kkurbjunW: It'll rise to the top priority soon enough. i hope. work/life balance isn't good lately. |
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| 19:20:50 | ej0rge | getting home from work 13 hours after leaving for work in the morning stinks. |
| 19:21:11 | kkurbjunW | ouch, I would agree |
| 19:21:58 | ej0rge | I got home at 8:45pm last night. |
| 19:22:52 | ej0rge | I've got 4 more weeks of this to look forward to. |
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| 19:29:51 | CIA-8 | New commit by Ubuntuxer (r21995): Add a standard menu, add highscore table and clean up the code in spacerocks (part of FS #10193) |
| 19:30:29 | PaulJam | JdGordon|: well, i tried a cuesheet on my h300 and i can at least confirm that there is something wrong when the WPS has viewports (at least that was the common factor for the themes i tried). What happens for me is that the tilie always shows that from the first song when the WPS has viewports. a wps with no viewports shows the correct title. one thing that may give a clue is that upon entering a non-VP WPS the wrong title (from the first song) is sh |
| 19:30:29 | PaulJam | own for a split second and then changes to the right title. |
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| 19:31:05 | PaulJam | s/tilie/title |
| 19:33:08 | JdGordon| | yeah, except when the wps is redrawn the id3 should already have been spoofed, and even if it hadnt, it will be spoofed next draw which will force a full redraw |
| 19:33:32 | linuxstb | Ubuntuxer: What do you mean with "standard menu" ? The standard "in-game" plugin menu, or the standard "before the game starts" menu? |
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| 19:35:44 | Ubuntuxer | I added a menu, which looks similiar to other game plugin menus. |
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| 19:37:26 | Ubuntuxer | There is displayed a entry resume game, if you ingame |
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| 19:59:30 | saratoga | adding a couple lines of code was enough to overfill text_editor on archos? |
| 19:59:33 | saratoga | how short on space was it? |
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| 20:00:58 | linuxstb | saratoga: Obviously very short... |
| 20:01:22 | saratoga | should i just reduce the number of characters allowed in the buffer by a hundred or so? |
| 20:02:02 | gevaerts | saratoga: I think the correct way would be to use the plugin buffer properly. A lot more work though |
| 20:02:49 | saratoga | properly how? |
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| 20:03:42 | gevaerts | using rb->plugin_get_buffer() |
| 20:04:17 | gevaerts | that just gets all available space. No need to guess |
| 20:04:27 | saratoga | that stops playback? |
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| 20:04:52 | JdGordon|| | no |
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| 20:05:20 | gevaerts | no. This one gets all memory from the plugin buffer that's not already used by the plugin |
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| 20:39:30 | Zagor | FYI: I'll be testing the new best-fit server code, which means a lot of server restarts. do not be alarmed. |
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| 20:47:23 | pixelma | JdGordon|: widecabbie has viewports but still draws in the main screen |
| 20:49:51 | pixelma | I should update and try on one of my targets and my theme which has quite a lot of viewports but nothing in the "main screen" |
| 20:51:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | The GoGear SA9200 needs a Cabbiev2 port still. |
| 20:51:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | The LCD is 128x160 on that one. |
| 20:54:22 | JdGordon| | pixelma: umm, does it actually draw anything in the main viewport? I'm pretty sure we made it so if any viewports are defined nothing will draw in the default one |
| 20:55:54 | pixelma | progress bar and some icons (hold etc.) are defined before the first %V |
| 20:56:34 | JdGordon| | defined is ok, where do they actually get drawn? |
| 20:56:40 | pixelma | I still have the file open in my text editor, if you want I can paste it somewhere |
| 20:56:40 | JdGordon| | the tags to draw them i mean |
| 20:56:58 | JdGordon| | na better not.. need to work :p |
| 20:57:57 | pixelma | well, progress bar is only one tag now so I assume it's "define and draw" and I meant the %xd tags for the battery icons |
| 20:58:22 | pixelma | and hold icons etc. |
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| 21:12:34 | Unhelpful | Zagor: "best-fit"... as in trying to find the best fit of compute resources to builds? |
| 21:12:40 | Zagor | Unhelpful: yes |
| 21:13:25 | Zagor | "Total work: 1177729 points", "Total speed: 6235 points/sec (49 clients)", "Ideal time: 189 seconds", "Realistic time: 192.78 seconds" |
| 21:13:33 | Unhelpful | with the goal of keeping all clients busy and minimizing lost work? |
| 21:14:01 | Zagor | yes, with the overall goal to provide the fastest possible build rounds |
| 21:14:30 | Unhelpful | enjoy solving knapsack ;) |
| 21:14:39 | Zagor | :) |
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| 21:15:54 | JdGordon| | the server killed again? I've got a "starting client" line but no hello? |
| 21:26:41 | Zagor | JdGordon|: yes, I'm futzing with it |
| 21:27:09 | JdGordon| | righto, I assumed we'd be seeing more stop starting :) |
| 21:27:19 | * | JdGordon| hides putty and gets back to work :p |
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| 21:38:23 | Hillshum | I'm compiling qt for rbutil and it's giving me errors over the lang files like the wiki said it would. But is it supposed to keep going or stop after those errors? |
| 21:47:56 | Hillshum | Is the qmake part supposed to take quite a while? |
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| 21:48:31 | JdGordon| | doesnt it fix up qt to statically link? so yeah maybe it does take ages |
| 21:49:05 | Hillshum | Mine was real fast |
| 21:51:02 | saratoga | does a build server need the rbutil and manual source code? i'm trying to slim it down as much as possible |
| 21:52:08 | saratoga | actually, if I don't have sdl anyway, can I remove the uisimulator? |
| 21:52:55 | JdGordon| | you're really that strapped for space? |
| 21:53:06 | gevaerts | saratoga: you're going to get M builds then |
| 21:53:12 | JdGordon| | and no.. it does an svn up so it will grab them again anyway |
| 21:53:15 | saratoga | its not my server so I'd really not waste much disk if I can avoid it |
| 21:56:05 | saratoga | i can run whatever i want but if I'm using a lot of disk space someone might ask if I really need to have a complete source code checkout in my home folder |
| 21:56:58 | Hillshum | define "a lot of disk space" |
| 21:57:09 | saratoga | no |
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| 22:07:53 | Hillshum | Now I'm getting this trying to compile http://rockbox.pastebin.com/f10e22788 |
| 22:08:47 | saratoga | maybe install libusb? |
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| 22:12:17 | Hillshum | saratoga, will this one from the ubnuntu repos work libusb++-0.1-4c2 ? |
| 22:15:24 | bertrik | I'm not so sure anymore if I should try to re-use the tcc-usb.c driver for the s5l8700 based players |
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| 22:45:32 | fwaokda | Is the Sansa Fuze supported with RockBox? |
| 22:45:50 | JdGordon| | we are currently discussing that question |
| 22:45:52 | saratoga | nope |
| 22:45:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | No. |
| 22:45:59 | JdGordon| | currently being on the mailing list |
| 22:46:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | It works, but it's not what we call "supported". |
| 22:46:22 | saratoga | its definately not going to be supported while we're probably not clocking the SD card correctly |
| 22:46:58 | pixelma | nice, with cuesheet support enabled I get a data abort on my c200 (with an older build which I wanted to try for comparison reasons first) |
| 22:47:16 | Hillshum | we "could" release without SD card support right? |
| 22:47:58 | fwaokda | So I shouldn't use it if I'm using a SDHC card I gues... |
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| 22:48:38 | * | gevaerts isn't entirely sure if this clocking issue only applies to the SD slot |
| 22:49:28 | Hillshum | fwaokda, If you're willing to reformat the card more often then go ahead |
| 22:49:41 | fwaokda | Hillshum, nah im good |
| 22:49:44 | fwaokda | ty though ;) |
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| 22:55:02 | pixelma | hmm... teru left some red in the build table... :\ |
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| 22:57:08 | gevaerts | Zagor: could we have the mail-on-red back? |
| 22:57:12 | JdGordon| | yes and no.... |
| 22:57:26 | JdGordon| | the red is the plugin being too big isnt it? |
| 22:57:36 | Zagor | gevaerts: certainly. but not right now. |
| 22:57:44 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: yes |
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| 22:58:07 | gevaerts | Easy to fix by just reducing the thing of course |
| 22:58:22 | gevaerts | I'm just not sure if that's the right fix |
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| 22:58:46 | pixelma | which "thing" to reduce? |
| 22:58:55 | gevaerts | Zagor: did you put the remaining tasks through the best-fit algorithm as well? ;) |
| 22:59:03 | Zagor | :) |
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| 22:59:24 | gevaerts | pixelma: MAX_CHARS |
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| 23:02:08 | gevaerts | if I read things correctly, it's the maximum file size it can handle |
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| 23:04:50 | gevaerts | I think that buffer array should be replaced by a pointer, and it should use plugin_get_buffer(). That won't break on code changes and it will always use every possible byte. If that's done, getting the audio buffer for larger files is also easier to implement |
| 23:05:09 | * | gevaerts will try to have a look at this tomorrow |
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| 23:08:32 | * | JdGordon| was going to have a look at it, but is happy to leave it for gevaerts |
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| 23:10:24 | gevaerts | I guess in the short term we should fix this red though... |
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| 23:19:51 | CIA-8 | New commit by gevaerts (r21996): Decrease the text buffer a tiny bit to make it fit again on archos. This really should use plugin_get_buffer() (and possibly plugin_get_audio_buffer() ... |
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| 23:30:46 | webguest21 | i had changed some files then rebooted and went to playlist>insert and now my ipod nano 1g is locked up and won't do anything when i plug it into my computer |
| 23:31:28 | Hillshum | there's a certain button combo that should reset. google should know it |
| 23:31:46 | AlexP | menu + select |
| 23:32:06 | AlexP | you might have to toggle old on then off beforehand |
| 23:32:16 | webguest21 | cool worked |
| 23:32:38 | webguest21 | is there an easier way to update songs without having to reinstall rockbox everytime it seems |
| 23:33:04 | AlexP | That is not normal, of course |
| 23:33:18 | AlexP | And when did you have to reinstall? |
| 23:34:15 | stripwax | webguest21 - you can just copy the song onto your ipod .. why do you think you need to reinstall rockbox just to update your songs? |
| 23:34:37 | webguest21 | i just had installed rockbox decided i didn't like the songs so i pluged it in and when i unplugged it was back to the ipod firmware |
| 23:34:53 | AlexP | Rockbox can dual boot |
| 23:34:55 | stripwax | webguest21 - you can reboot (hold menu+select) |
| 23:35:00 | Hillshum | reboot and you will be back to Rockbox |
| 23:35:13 | stripwax | perhaps your Hold switch was on: that will cause it to reboot to Apple operating system instead of Rockbox |
| 23:35:30 | stripwax | or perhaps your rockbox installation is corrupted (read the screen carefully when it boots - it should say if this is the case) |
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| 23:37:04 | webguest21 | ahh ok the hoold was on |
| 23:37:21 | pixelma | JdGordon|: on my c200 I get the following with cuesheet support: iCatcher which has no viewports works flawlessly, cabbiev2 which has viewports and draws progressbar and some images into the main screen has the update problem (disabling/commenting out the progress bar helps, stuffing things neatly away into own vps doesn't), my WPS crashes Rockbox (I guess it's because it uses 2 progressbars, conditionally) |
| 23:38:01 | pixelma | it crashed with an older build too though |
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| 23:39:08 | JdGordon| | ok, ill look into it toinght... can you put all that in the FS entry? |
| 23:39:53 | pixelma | yes, I'll paste from here I guess |
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| 23:42:00 | pixelma | at one time I saw bogus info in the "next track" info with cabbiev2 after skipping to the next or previous subsong of the cuesheet but couldn't reproduce |
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| 23:48:45 | stripwax | webguest21 - may I take this opportunity to suggest you read the *EXCELLENT* manual where this and many other questions you may have will be answered :-) |
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| 23:52:32 | * | webguest21 hangs head in shame |
| 23:52:59 | * | linuxstb has some noise coming out of his nano2g |
| 23:53:16 | JdGordon| | good noise or bad noise? |
| 23:53:38 | linuxstb | bad noise, but intentionally bad... i.e. audio playback, but just playing back some noise |
| 23:53:40 | webguest21 | i just figured i'ed try doing things on my own first since i've moded so many consoles and such over the years and when i was working on this it went so smoothly it totally caught me off guard when it didn't cooperate with me |
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| 23:55:09 | JdGordon| | linuxstb: woo! |
| 23:56:53 | stripwax | 'we have sound'? or doesn't that qualify? |
| 23:56:57 | linuxstb | The problem is that the i2c interrupt is working fine, but I can't the timer (and now DMA) interrupts to work... |
| 23:57:14 | linuxstb | stripwax: "sound" is stretching it... I got the piezo buzzing a few days ago as well... |
| 23:57:39 | stripwax | webguest21 - ok .. but be warned, if you ask a question that is covered in detail the manual we might just point you at the manual again ... |
| 23:57:42 | linuxstb | It's basically bertrik's patch for audio on the Meizu, attached to the existing WM8975 driver |
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| 23:58:57 | Zagor | gah. best-fitting the builds to the clients is easy. handling the anomalities of ever-changing client speeds is a lot more tricky. |
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