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#rockbox log for 2009-07-26

00:00:04GeekShadowI just registered in the wiki
00:00:09GeekShadowI need write permission
00:00:29sintheteknonetheless they do sound like they are 'skipping' sometimes, hah. when i first saw that option i was like 'whoa! how do they compensate for that stuff?! it must only work for minor distortions to obvious patterns or something...'
00:00:44sinthetekdidn't even occur to me that 'skip' might mean something else
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00:02:55gevaertsGeekShadow: we want real names on the wiki
00:03:30GeekShadowoh ok, how do I change back ?
00:03:42gevaertsjust register again
00:06:16GeekShadowhere it is :
00:06:39GeekShadowsorry for the double registration :/
00:07:25gevaertsGeekShadow: ok. I added you. Now please be nice on the wiki :)
00:07:45GeekShadowNo problem ;) I already work on several open source projects ;)
00:08:21GeekShadowI'm adding myself in Meizu M3 testers
00:10:00gevaertsah, welcome :)
00:16:48BeChrisgevaerts : could I get write access to the wiki as well in order to update pages related to plugins ?
00:17:45gevaertsBeChris: done
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00:17:57gevaertsA patch for the manual would be even better :)
00:18:00BeChrisgevaerts : thank you
00:18:12BeChrisNow time for bed now
00:18:12GeekShadowgevaerts, what does mean old version for Meizu M3 ?
00:18:25BeChrisSee U
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00:18:44gevaertsGeekShadow: there appear to be two versions of it, with slightly different hardware
00:19:12gevaertsand to answer your next question, no I don't know how to easily see which one you have :)
00:19:51GeekShadowI got a black Meizu M3 8GB Version SP copyright is 2007
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00:20:46gevaertsSP? IIRC mine says SL. Not sure though
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00:21:08gevaertsand I can't look. bertrik has it
00:21:09kugelpixelma: ok, then we can deactive it for M5/X5 (although I don't think a combo with the power button would be too bad - unless the hardware poweroff kicks in in < 3s)
00:21:11Zagorgevaerts: how come the new scores are higher than the old? I thought they would be lower.
00:21:12kugelbut I just tried BUTTON_NONE as precondition for combos and it worked as I remembered/expected
00:22:33gevaertsZagor: partly just randomness I guess, but also, I count CPU time for the build, not wall-clock time. Maybe there's a bit more overhead now?
00:23:03kugelpixelma: I changed the precondition for id3 viewer, and now pressing down first before select works too
00:23:49Zagorgevaerts: that makes sense
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00:24:54pixelmakugel: if e.g. long select is also mapped to an action what happens if you hold select befor down now (and that holding is a little too long)?
00:25:59kugeldo the long select action
00:26:30pixelmasee, what happens if you have select as pre condition?
00:26:42kugelthe same
00:28:05kugelelse long select wouldn't have worked ever
00:28:54pixelmaman, seems I can't explain it but there is a difference :\
00:29:33CIA-7New commit by zagor (r22039): Moved some shared code to
00:29:50pixelmaand I think combos with power on the X5/M5 are pretty bad, especially as power is not a button but more a slider (with hold in the other direction) and there is no place combos with power are used
00:31:41CIA-7New commit by zagor (r22040): Changed from counting score to counting speed. Moved some shared code to Added client blocklist file. Added roundstart script.
00:33:28kugelpixelma: I accept that (the M5/X5 thing), but what difference do you mean with the precondition?
00:33:50kugelI don't see a difference here, except that pressing either button first works now
00:34:02CIA-7New commit by zagor (r22041): Added 'use DBI'.
00:34:13*pixelma wished there was someone else helping out explaining :(
00:34:48CIA-7New commit by zagor (r22042): Put size data in database.
00:35:12CIA-7New commit by zagor (r22043): Client blocklist file
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00:36:00CIA-7New commit by zagor (r22044): Removed custom sorting in favor of simple alphabetic.
00:36:37CIA-7New commit by zagor (r22045): Added check for "Build Failure:".
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00:37:10kugelhaha, fall of the custom sorting :)
00:38:00Bagderalpha sort there is really confusing
00:38:14Bagderwhich is why I went away from it
00:38:19Zagoryes, but at least it is the same order as the build table
00:38:29Bagderunless you change sort key
00:38:55Zagorwell, it is
00:38:57Bagderthe build table sorts on the full name
00:39:09Bagderthe size table didn't at least have that name
00:39:22kugelthe build table already has a weird sorting
00:39:40Bagderwhy is that?
00:39:47kugelwhere does that come from?
00:39:47gevaertsis it number-aware?
00:39:53Zagorthe build table doesn't sort on fullname now, and I can't recall it did before either
00:40:01*kugel slaps GeekShadow
00:40:10kugelgevaerts too!!
00:40:17Zagorbut that would of course make it slightly less cryptic
00:40:32gevaertsGeekShadow: don't worry. It's just his tab-completion failing :)
00:40:35kugelGeekShadow: sorry, tab completition failure :(
00:40:49kugeland slowness
00:40:57GeekShadowok :p
00:41:00CIA-7New commit by zagor (r22046): Remove old files (>20 revisions old) from data dir.
00:41:18kugelZagor: the sorting before made sense though
00:41:21Bagderah, ok the current build table is sorted by the shortname
00:41:28Bagderwhich is crazy
00:41:46CIA-7New commit by zagor (r22047): Added data dir cleanup. Added build-info creation for rbutil.
00:41:47Bagdersince it is a little "random" ;-)
00:42:05kugelah, that's why Zen Vision comes so early, it doesn't show the "creative" part of the short name
00:42:51Bagderpreviously it was sorted on the long name, which also has "Creative" but that was cut out in the image title!
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00:43:46CIA-7New commit by zagor (r22048): Cut away functions that are now in Moved from score to speed.
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00:44:22kugel233s for the most recent build, awesome
00:44:32funmanBagder: thanks for your clarification on previous relations between rockbox and AMS
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00:44:49kugelis that public?
00:44:50Bagdermy pleasure!
00:45:00funmanI will modify the email i had written, and send it to the AMS marketing product manager
00:45:11Bagderkugel: no...
00:45:27funmanI will put the committers mailing list in CC, I think it's better than rockbox-dev
00:45:36*Bagder agrees
00:47:05*pixelma wonders what funman is talking about ;)
00:48:06funmanpixelma: i contacted a person working at AMS to ask for the datasheet needed for Clipv2/Fuzev2 port
00:53:47CIA-7New commit by kugel (r22049): Deactive the playlist viewer wps shortcut on the x5/m5 because of its hardware inability to do combos. Only combos with the power button work, but ...
00:53:48funmando you remember when rp & austriancoder have visited AMS HQ ?
00:54:09pixelmait's a pity that the png viewer is colour lcd only
00:54:40Bagderfunman: lemme search a little...
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00:55:27kugelBagder: can we restore the old sorting?
00:56:14Bagderwith a little poking we should be able to, sure
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00:56:37Zagorbuild table is now fullname sorted
00:57:01Zagorwith fullname shown by mouseover on the title image
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00:57:21blodowhi everyone!
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00:57:38blodoware there any devs around (or other knowledgeable people?) ;)
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00:57:51pixelmatry it
00:57:52Zagor(the red 1:s just mean those builds aren't done yet)
00:58:12blodowor could someone explain what the difficulties are for porting rockbox to 6th gen ipods?
00:58:13Bagderthe summary link also didn't exist
00:58:33blodowi undrestnd the firmware is encrypted and the hardware is different
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00:58:50kugelZagor: awesome, cool
00:58:53Zagorblodow: that's about it, yes
00:59:07blodowso is it possible to at least get a hex dump of the firmware?
00:59:28Bagderblodow: encrypted, yes
00:59:45Bagderalthough the #linux4nano guys seem to have some takes on the 6g as well
00:59:48blodowok, and is anything known about the encryption method?
01:00:00saratogapresumably AES128
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01:00:14Bagderwith no known key
01:00:25saratogayou should probably go ask on the linux4nano mailing list or irc channel, as they are the group working on it
01:00:45blodowooh, ok. never heard of them
01:01:03blodowbut thanks for now, i might come back with more stupid questions ;)
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01:03:00BagderZagor: ... and now you see why I had the sorting thing for the size table ;-)
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01:03:42ZagorBagder: hehe
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01:03:49Bagder52 clients!
01:04:13BagderI figured we can also point out on the -dev list that "anyone" can join this effort now
01:04:20Bagdercould bring a few more clients
01:04:37saratogathe forums too
01:04:39gevaertswe need 100!
01:04:44Bagderyes, forums as well
01:04:51saratogatheres lot of people who dont do development but still have the build tools setup
01:04:54kugeldo we need more than 118?
01:04:59Zagorand there were 3 more that didn't get any work done. I'm updating the stat page now to show those.
01:05:27Bagderkugel: well, we can always use the fastest 118 of them ;-)
01:05:30gevaertskugel: sure. We need more ports as well :)
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01:05:47Zagorif we get 118 I can stop worrying about best-fit :)
01:06:26roolkuZagor: any idea why b36 almost always gets its build canceled? It seems to get h100 sim initially which is cancelled and then a few others - could it have some easier work please? ;)
01:06:30gevaertsbut what if we only get 117? ;)
01:06:43blodowdoes someone here have such a encrypted firmware image?
01:07:00roolkuZagor: last time it actually did some proper work was doall grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo
01:07:37roolkuZagor: last time it actually did some proper work was r22025
01:07:46Bagdera nobel task, that grepping ;-)
01:07:58Zagorroolku: b36 just barely nudges into the "fast" category with its' 57 pts/sec speed. the limit is 50. perhaps the limit should be raised slightly.
01:08:37kugelhaving 1 limit will probably always be wrong
01:09:09kugelif we raise the limit, faster clients could start to take the easy jobs away
01:09:18Bagderyeah, the "two categories" approach will always lead to this one way or another
01:09:36gevaertskugel: that's what best-fit is supposed to solve
01:09:57kugelIMO, with 52 clients we don't need to optimize for single clients any more :)
01:10:19BagderZagor: the in-progress red-1 should probably be made more clearly visibly different than a red build
01:10:43kugelmake it pink!
01:10:56ZagorBagder: yes. it is not meant to be displayed, it was visible only because I was testing the new sorting when a round started
01:11:28Bagderoh, I thought it was early work on some progress meter thing
01:11:37Zagorunfortunately not yet
01:12:04pixelmahmm... my build client told me that it did some bootloaders and a player sim (and I can see that in the stats list) but there's only one of them mentioned when hovering over the build in the build table, is that correct?
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01:14:16pixelmawhat would also be fancy are timestamps in the build table... ;)
01:15:10Zagoroops, the actual builds are not sorted the same as the titles :)
01:17:24pixelmaahhh :)
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01:24:21roolkuzagor: there is something funny with b36 - its the same hardware as b21-b37; I just can't work if it is the machine or the build system that causes the low rating
01:24:46roolkuZagor: similar with b21 (although this gets some builds done)
01:25:16roolkuZagor: I have done a local build of the h100 sim and it took 1min45
01:25:22Zagorb21 is even slower, falls into the slow category and thus gets to do bootloaders
01:26:40roolkuZagor: should I take b36 out? Maybe it makes allocation easier
01:27:26Zagorroolku: no it doesn't matter. keep it in.
01:27:52funmanI sent the reply to AMS
01:28:09funmanI hope the person will like the email timestamp ;)
01:30:55funmanHe is out of office until and will be back on Tuesday
01:30:59froggymanis there a feature in rockbox similar to the "soundcheck" feature in Apples OF, where it equalizes the volume of songs?
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01:35:01CIA-7New commit by zagor (r22050): Also show clients with no completed builds.
01:35:28funmanfroggyman: replaygain ?
01:36:14froggymanis that what its called?
01:36:53funmanread if you don't know it already, from what I know it could fit your requirements
01:38:05froggymanfunman: that sounds right, thanks :)
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02:04:26KittenKatok i have a stupid question... does rockbox still support vorbisgain?
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02:10:10funmandoesn't look like it does, did rockbox used to support it ?
02:10:40KittenKati rember seeing it in a changelog ages ago
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02:11:46KittenKatvobris gain writes special tags to a ogg so a player supporting it can then replay all the ogg's at the same gain level
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02:12:06funman lists the tags
02:12:17KittenKatwhich means that after i vorbis gain my ogg collection i shouldent go from really quiet song to ungodly loud song
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02:13:35funmani think adding vorbisgain support is a simple task since id3 replaygain tags are already supported
02:14:04pixelmaRockbox supports replay gain tags, don't know if that's what's written to vorbis comments too
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02:19:13KittenKatwell i have way too many projects going on to mess with it honestly
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02:20:20KittenKatpeace out i gotta run for a bit
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02:29:25Hillshumsorry about that
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03:00:06Unhelpfulwe don't support RG tags on vorbis?
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03:43:39KittenKatwhat's the latest bootloader version?
03:43:50KittenKatmy dns seems to be down :/
03:43:56KittenKatso i cant open shit that isnt already up
03:46:04dzKittenKat: set your dns server to then
03:46:45KittenKati've been meaning to do that
03:46:53KittenKatbut i'm a lazy bastard lately
03:47:03KittenKattis the new meds
03:50:45krazykitKittenKat, bootloader version for what target?
03:51:52KittenKatthe C200
03:52:24KittenKatusing rbutil just puts in v5.0 which throws me to the OE firmware when conncting to usb and the device in the off state
03:52:58KittenKatsince the latest firmware for the C200 properly handles charging and usb i figured a bootloader would be out that just puts you in rockbox firmware
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03:53:33KittenKatit's not a big deal. more an idle curosity
03:54:25dzKittenKat: I know there's one in flyspray for the e200s
03:54:50KittenKathuh :/
03:58:07*KittenKat nods
03:58:10dzKittenKat: the bootloader in that tracker item will still load rockbox when charging or using USB
03:58:21KittenKatok now to figure out how to install it :P
03:59:18dzKittenKat: sansapatcher <device> -a <filename.mi4>
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03:59:43KittenKat*nods and looks for sansapatcher*
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04:00:33KittenKatis .05 the latest sansapatcher?
04:00:45dzshouldn't matter which you use
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04:06:32KittenKatthanks dz
04:06:38KittenKatsorry i didnt rtfm better
04:08:20dzno sweat, I had to ask about it in here too :P
04:09:36KittenKatit seems like it handles the vorbisgain tags
04:14:48KittenKati really wish i didnt have to sell my M:Robe MR-100 years ago
04:14:55KittenKatthat was the coolest damn player
04:16:50r0b-whats so great about it
04:17:59KittenKatit was red and black with all touch controls and the control panel/lcd area was all black when it was in the off state
04:18:03KittenKataka coolest thing ever
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04:35:02KittenKatthat c200 is totally purrfect :)
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07:27:35projectbebopi searched the forums but couldnt find a solution to my problem
07:28:37projectbebopi'm using the latest release of rockbox v 3.3 on a g1 2gb nano. whenever i try to shutdown it reboots, goes to the apple logo, and back into rockbox
07:28:57projectbebopthe only way to turn it off is to load the apple firmware, then i can turn it off
07:29:07projectbebopmy ipod does not think that it's always charging
07:29:19projectbebopcan anyone offer any insight?
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07:31:53projectbebopi'm pretty much having this problem
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09:29:12pixelma - does someone know where rbutil is looking for the voice file and which revision is downloaded currently? The description sounds as if voice file and revision are out of sync and I know there were some issues with the build sytem switch and rbutil. I don't know whether that's been fixed now and/or what the voice download does currently and don't have the time at the moment to
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12:01:19LearSigh. TLSF:s realloc doesn't handle out of memory properly...
12:02:49LearBtw, if realloc fails, should it free the old memory then?
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12:03:53LearNot freed, apparently...
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12:14:17linuxstbLear: Isn't that a fatal error though? i.e. does it matter what it does?
12:15:56LearFor Rockbox it is fatal, so in that case it doesn't matter. But keeping standard behavior is always nice...
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14:35:00schrottplatzhi, i crashed my sansa fuze when i tried to format it on ubuntu(linux). i have the rockbox firmware on it. i can only enter the sansa firmware and there it says that my fat is corrupted. the only problem is that my pc wont detect it :S
14:37:04schrottplatzhow can i format it?
14:38:05AsaelReiterwhat is the output of lsusb?
14:39:04AsaelReiterand how did you try to format it?
14:39:08schrottplatzwtf?! now lsusb doesnt print anything
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14:40:41schrottplatzi connected it to the windows pc of my sister and it detects sth but it cant work with it :S
14:41:31schrottplatzon my old e200 there was sth like a recovery mode... is there sth like that on the fuze too?
14:41:33gevaertsschrottplatz: please use full words here, not things like 'sth'
14:41:59gevaerts(as stated clearly in the guidelines linked to from the topic)
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14:42:31AsaelReiterwhen it's connected to the Ubuntu, does lsusb show anything?
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14:42:58schrottplatzAsaelReiter: no, nothing
14:43:25AsaelReiterwhat about dmesg?
14:43:57schrottplatzi will paste it into a pastebin ok?
14:44:15AsaelReiteronly the last lines
14:45:29schrottplatzit must be line 24-27
14:47:02schrottplatzconnected it again:
14:50:05AsaelReiterI read that about 15 seconds holding the power button will format. I don't know this works, but you can try.
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14:51:00schrottplatzAsaelReiter: hmmm it only resets it
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14:51:39AsaelReiterI have not idea. How did you try to format it?
14:51:52schrottplatzis it possibal to flsah it via a microsd card?
14:52:01schrottplatzAsaelReiter: gedit
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14:52:38AsaelReiterto fat?
14:53:09schrottplatzbut then icouldn't enter it anymore
14:59:33AsaelReiterwhen you turn on the sansa firmware, when does it fail?
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15:01:53schrottplatzit says "FAT is corrupted. Please connect device to PC and recover FAT."
15:02:23AsaelReiterdoes it turn of immidiatly?
15:03:17schrottplatzit stays on until i reset it by pressing off
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15:04:49AsaelReiterdid you try to connect it to the computer in both states (on and off)?
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15:09:12AsaelReiterI don't know
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15:12:57BdN3504hai, can someone please commit FS 10187 ? i spent three hours writing the manual entry (don't laught at me, it's only my second attempt)
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15:27:17CIA-6New commit by mcuelenaere (r22051): Onda VX747: don't fully init the LCD when not doing an USB_BOOT compile (fixes flashes when booting up)
15:30:28mcuelenaerebluebrother, domonoky (logs): Have you seen FS #10456 ? Any objections/comments?
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15:49:00mcuelenaeremt: are you sure you can make ext_list NULL in;r2=22031;pathrev=22031 ?
15:49:46mcuelenaeredoesn't that lead to a strcasecmp(<something>, NULL) ?
15:50:22mcuelenaere(and a NULL pointer dereference a bit later)
15:51:24mcuelenaereit's even reproducable in the sim
15:51:34mcuelenaeretry viewing the properties of a .rmvb file
15:55:08mcuelenaerereplacing it with "rm\0ra\0" seems to fix it
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16:00:28CIA-6New commit by mcuelenaere (r22052): Ingenic Jz4740 targets: turn backlight on when an exception occurs and EXTENDED_EXCEPTION_DESC is defined
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16:17:15stripwaxmcuelenaere - I think it causes a crash when updating db if you have .rm files too ..
16:17:48mcuelenaerewell like I said, replacing it with "rm\0ra\0" seems to fix it; not sure if the behaviour changes though
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16:22:40bertrikwhat are the criteria for putting a new target in SVN?
16:23:22gevaertsas far as I can see, someone has to want to put it there :)
16:23:45bertrikcode for the samsung yp-s3 I've been working on could be put in SVN, but I don't think it will run a "real" rockbox anytime soon (just a bootloader in RAM)
16:24:28gevaertsit's at least as far along as the nano2g and the meizu ports when they went in
16:24:38bertrikhm, true :)
16:25:25bertrikwe have a firmware/target/arm/samsung tree and a firmware/target/arm/s5l8700 tree
16:25:42bertrikI think the code best fits in the latter
16:26:17CIA-6New commit by roolku (r22053): initial commit of remote support for m:robe 100 courtesy of lowlight; simulator support including small fixes for the m:robe 500
16:32:41bertrikmeh, I can't get the radio or wmcodec on the i2c bus to work at all, the rtc on the same i2c bus seems to work fine
16:33:40bertrikMaybe I'm missing some kind of enable/power signal for those, I can imagine that the RTC is always on (it needs to be running always)
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16:35:03*bertrik found the charging status indicator bit in the samsung yp-s3
16:38:13CIA-6New commit by mcuelenaere (r22054): Onda VX747: change PNG menu button to BUTTON_POWER
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16:43:16funmanbertrik: when creating target/arm/as3525 i was told it was better to use the SoC name for the folder
16:43:38funmansince basically no code is shared between Sansa e200v1 and e200v2 for example (except the as3514 code already present in another place)
16:45:05bertrikfunman, ok makes sense
16:45:43funmanPP target directories should be moved somewhere (it's on MrSomeone's todo list)
16:45:59funmanperhaps arm/pp/{samsung,sansa} ?
16:59:04tmztlooks like the linux layout
17:00:20tmztthey have a few conventions that might make sense here, like plat-s3c mach-s3c2400 foe example
17:00:44tmztall code common to sasumng socs is in plat-s3c (which is now plat-samsung)
17:03:44funmanbut here it is not a samsung soc, but a pp soc
17:04:00funmanwith some code specific to Samsung players using a PP soc
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17:04:52tmztoh sorry, so in that case plat-pp or something, and mach-pp5502??
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17:07:43funmanwhat is the difference between plat-* and mach-* in linux ?
17:07:51funmanoh I see
17:08:20funmanhere that would be something like plat-pp and mach-pp-samsung / mach-pp-sandisk
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17:08:59funmanor in rockbox tradition, arm/pp/sandisk-sansa-e200 , arm/pp/samsung-yh920 ..
17:09:44funmanwe could add another depth: arm/pp/sandisk/sansa-e200 arm/pp/sandisk/sansa-c200 arm/pp/samsung/yh925 (cpu/soc/manufacturer/model)
17:10:26funmanthat would be a little annoying when a specific soc is only used by one manufacturer
17:22:01tmzthow many c files per device?
17:26:29funmansamsung: 3 files common to all models, plus 3 files per model
17:26:42funmansame for sandisk
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17:39:20stripwaxDoes anyone know a resource with (many/several) example rm cook audio files? i'm about to commit some cook optimisations and want to check some existing files don't fail (the one example file I have from saratoga works .. :)
17:40:09martian67does anything even use RM anymore?
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17:41:10stripwaxmartian67 - well, Rockbox does, since mt has recently added support for cook codec and is adding AAC-in-rm and others too, as part of GSOC ..
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17:49:37mcuelenaerestripwax: there are some samples at ffmpeg IIRC
17:53:46stripwaxmcuelenaere - fantastic, cheers
17:55:56bertrikI think I found the radio power bit for the radio of the samsung yp-s3
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18:39:27bertrikyay, tuner communication works
18:42:31markunbertrik: on the samsung?
18:42:56bertrikmarkun, yes, that's all I've been working on in the past 3 days
18:43:20markundo you promote the rockbox port in some samsung forum(s)?
18:44:03bertrikI did open a thread on the anythingbutipod forums
18:46:48bertrikI worry a bit about this all being in vain for the samsung yp-s3 because we don't have any way to write to the NAND yet
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18:47:12bertrikat least for the meizus we have a DFU firmware upgrader that could write a bootloader to NOR
18:49:40markunbertrik: why do you think we might not be able to write to the NAND on the yp-s3?
18:49:53gevaertsisn't that just a question of finding out what exact NAND is used?
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18:50:26bertrik*just* a question?
18:50:47bertrikit could be that the firmware is written to NAND in plain format, without any fancy FTL, you mean?
18:51:54markunbertrik: the DFU util from samsung also comes with an image to write a firmware to the NAND, maybe it also works for the YP-S3
18:51:59gevaertsI mean, the boot rom reads it from there
18:51:59bertrikwe would have to figure out how and where the OF is stored and write our own DFU upgrader
18:52:53bertrikmarkun, I accidently tried that and it didn't work
18:52:57markunI'm talking about the updateNAND_BE_070831.dfu file
18:53:02bertrik(maybe I was using the wrong .dfu file though)
18:53:03markunhm, that's too bad
18:53:31bertrikI remember using the updateNAND_BE ... file
18:53:59markunbertrik: there is also the BluesutilNAND_BE_070905.DFU file
18:54:44markungevaerts: we've used the first one to flash the M6SL, right?
18:55:31bertrikif anything goes wrong with this, the player is bricked I guess (although the DFU mode could still be used for running stuf fin RAM)
18:55:45gevaertsmarkun: I think so, yes
18:57:41bertrikmarkun, the updateNAND_BE ... did cause the CPU string reported by meizu_dfu to be changed though, so it did indeed run
18:58:59markunbertrik: some info about and YP player and DFU flashing
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18:59:39markundon't know if it's useful
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19:01:37bertrikI think I downloaded the mentioned tool
19:01:45markunthis one?
19:02:17markunI see this file YP-U3_DFULoader_070705.DFU
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19:02:32markundon't even know what the SoC of the U3 is..
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19:04:42bertrikthe USB id in the DFU utility ini file is not the same as the one of my yps3
19:04:45markunaha, not even ARM
19:05:22markunonly the CalmRISC16 which the S5L8700 only has as a co-processor
19:05:35markunI wonder if we will ever make use of it
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21:06:41CIA-6New commit by stripwax (r22055): Approx 10% speedup in cook on files tested: Remove some inner loops in favour of memcpy/memset/vect_add calls; remove multiplication from index ...
21:07:48*stripwax looks out for red..
21:11:29Zagorw1ll14m: your build client names are ... duplicated?
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21:21:35TheCoolGmanHi why is the Daily build's source still r21932?
21:24:09Zagorit is? says 22050
21:25:54TheCoolGmanYeah but I unzipped it and got build r21932. I downloaded the current with TortoiseSVN I just want to know what's going on.
21:31:07stripwaxsaratoga/mt - latest profiling looks something like this -
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21:33:34ZagorTheCoolGman: indeed, looks like the same zip file has been uploaded since 20090718. I'll look into it.
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21:41:28CIA-6New commit by rob (r22056): Re-work D2 power off behaviour. ...
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21:48:30bluebrotherwhat's this "points per second" value of the build system?
21:49:22Zagorit shows how fast the client is. each build has a score. divide that with the seconds it took to build it, and you get points/second
21:50:16bluebrotherah. So my box is rather slow. Didn't expect anything else though :)
21:51:19*gevaerts points to monster-gevaerts and viac3-zagor :)
21:51:48CIA-6New commit by roolku (r22057): new powerup in brickmania ...
21:52:06bluebrotherso the score value in the client list is the sum of the scores for the builds done by that client?
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21:53:22*bluebrother was considering to get some via c3 like thingy as a router and get that running as a build server :)
21:56:09Zagorbluebrother: it works great ;)
21:56:27bluebrotherZagor: as router or build client? ;-)
21:56:46gevaertsbluebrother: Zagor is still disappointed about his c3 not being the slowest client :)
21:57:02ZagorI use it for a file + squeezebox server and build client
21:57:11bluebrotherrun it with qemu!
21:57:21gevaertsthat's cheating
21:57:22Zagorthat's cheating. only native speed counts.
21:57:36gevaertscygwin is borderline, but qemu is out
21:57:39*bluebrother googles for squeezebox
21:59:04gevaertsZagor: you've probably seen that I went back to two clients. I still don't understand why I don't get higher scores with a single one
21:59:33Zagorit is a bit weird. though the difference was not very big, was it?
21:59:51gevaerts450..500 for a single client, around 600 total for two
22:00:31Zagorcertainly significant
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22:00:45gevaertsI think even 600 is low actually. That's what I would expect without ccache
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22:01:54bluebrotherif dev.cgi would show the results as they come in it would be really nice
22:02:25bluebrothernot that it's that much of use, though :)
22:02:28Zagorgevaerts: well the build system counts wallclock time, not cpu time. so there will be a gap.
22:02:40Zagorbluebrother: that is planned
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22:03:40gevaertsZagor: the latest benchmark builds took about 35 minutes in total, so about 572 points/second
22:03:49bluebrotherZagor: cool. Any other nice features planned? Nicer table? AJAX stuff? Coffee machine as build server?
22:04:31gevaertsso why is there a 20% drop by running it in a client? Protocol overhead?
22:04:32Zagorbluebrother: ajax to "automatically" show builds as they complete, a compressed table that only shows targets with notices
22:04:40Zagorgevaerts: good question
22:04:58Zagorthe protocol is silly small, so that's hardly it
22:05:23gevaertsor maybe the machine has so much CPU that ccache slows it down?
22:05:35*gevaerts decides to test that theory
22:05:36*bluebrother is impressed by the build system
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22:06:05bluebrotherreally nice work. Congrats!
22:06:36bluebrotherhave you thought about announcing red builds on irc?
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22:07:02Zagoryes, that is planned too.
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22:07:12gevaertsbluebrother: *everything* is planned!
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22:07:44bluebrothergevaerts: ah, that explains things!
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22:13:45gevaertsit doesn't look like it's ccache
22:14:07gevaertsalthough maybe I could disable it for the next round or so, to make sure
22:14:47Zagorgevaerts: is your system doing something else? the client nices the builds.
22:15:23gevaertsno. It's a dedicated VM, and the other VMs are idle
22:16:03Zagoryou could try comparing a (few) niced build(s) with non-niced.
22:16:29ZagorI agree it sounds impropable, but I'm out of clues
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22:19:35gevaertsno difference
22:19:40roolkugevaerts: what do you use as VM? There will be an overhead with the virtual SMP. My attempt at using virtualbox was slower than cygwin
22:19:51gevaertsroolku: this is xen
22:20:27gevaertsZagor: which build time is used for the speed calculation? Does it include upload time?
22:21:04Zagorno, it's the time between BUILD and UPLOADING
22:21:05gevaertsroolku: but that shouldn't matter. It's the exact same VM that seems to be slower as a build client than for manual builds
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22:21:47roolkuhm, strange indeed
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22:22:55gevaertswell, ccache is disabled now. If it turns out to be the problem after all, we'll know
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22:35:17AsaelReiterroolku: thanks for including my patch
22:36:32roolkuAsaelReiter: you are welcome :)
22:37:34AsaelReiterroolku: however, some minutes after that you did it, I uploaded it with some more lines.
22:37:45AsaelReiterroolku: (for the help screen)
22:37:57AsaelReiterroolku: can you include it?
22:40:23roolkuAsaelReiter: could you make a new patch with the differences? I'll open the task again
22:41:06AsaelReiterI uploaded it before you closed the task.
22:41:49AsaelReiterit's only 2 lines in brickmania.c
22:46:43CIA-6New commit by roolku (r22058): updated help for r22057
22:47:11AsaelReiterroolku: Thanks again :)
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22:59:21BagderZagor: shouldn't the number in the build table show number of participating clients, not just number of clients that completed a full build?
23:00:17Zagoryes it should. that info is not stored properly at the moment, hence the discrepancy.
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23:04:03Zagorgevaerts: was this without ccache?
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23:04:29Zagorhow big is your ccache cache?
23:04:46Zagor(ccache -s)
23:04:52gevaertsdefault, 1GB
23:06:04Zagoryou may want to bump that to at least 5GB. my clients use just under 5 GB each.
23:06:58Zagoruh, of course they do... duh
23:07:47Bagderwhy is that of course?
23:08:00gevaertsbut even then, it shouldn't cause this sort of slowdown
23:08:23ZagorBagder: ccache will fill whatever cache it gets, as revisions come and go
23:08:31Bagdermine doesn't
23:08:46Bagdercache size 860.6 Mbytes
23:08:55Bagdermax cache size 976.6 Mbytes
23:09:00Zagorok, then it does some pruning I'm not aware of
23:09:16Zagorah well that is within about the same percentage I get
23:09:20Bagderi raised my limit now to see what happens
23:09:33Zagor4.2 and 4.7 of 5GB
23:09:47Zagor4.2 doesn't sound full though
23:10:06Zagorviac3 doesn't use much cache :)
23:10:07*gevaerts decides to see how much a single "normal" build uses in ccache
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23:16:21gevaertsgigabeat F, normal+sim+bootloader, 17.0MB ccache used. If that's representative, it means about 670MB used for all builds
23:16:28gevaertsso 1GB really should be OK
23:17:06pixelmaroolku: (or actually AsaelReiter), I wonder about the new "short pads" - are they necessary, or just a rename from the old ones named "pad" only? Also the 112x64 monochrome bmp looks weird (it's not monochrome which doesn't hurt as it's scaled down during compile) but it looks odd at the right hand side
23:17:34pixelmaif it's just a rename, shouldn't the old ones be deleted - or did I miss this?
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23:23:47*gevaerts decided to put his client configuration back to the one that should be nearest optimal according to the numbers he worked out yesterday, i.e. 2x-j4
23:23:49CIA-6New commit by zagor (r22059): Added root "builds" dir, to allow for ramdisks etc.
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23:28:55n1sZagor: are the automated voice file builds working still? I have seen several reports of rbutil installing what sounds like an outdated voicefile
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23:29:17Zagorn1s: those are Bagder's baby
23:30:01bluebrothermaybe it would be a good idea to give the voicefiles version numbers and warn upon startup if it doesn't match. Something like the plugin API version
23:30:03BagderI don't know if they work, I just know they're still produced!
23:30:29n1sbluebrother: it's on MrSomeone's todo list
23:30:47bluebrothern1s: nice to know :)
23:30:59pixelmais the download for rbutil after the build system changed fixed?
23:31:16bluebrotherhas the download changed?
23:32:14pixelmaI don't know but there were reports that people got the last build from the old system for a while
23:32:44Bagderthat was that generated file that wasn't updated for a while methinks
23:32:52bluebrotherthere was an issue with it _displaying_ the wrong version number.
23:33:25bluebrotherhaven't heard of people actually getting a wrong version. "Just" a broken display.
23:34:49ZagorBagder: there's something wrong with the daily source zip. 20090718 is being uploaded/created every day.
23:35:19Zagori.e. all source archives since then is the same
23:35:29bluebrotherhmm, there are quite a bunch of issues with voice and rbutil :/
23:35:44bluebrotheri.e. no good differentiation between build versions
23:36:39Bagderah yes
23:36:47Bagderit relied on the distributed system... :-)
23:37:59*bluebrother thinks rbutil needs quite some rework for version handling anyway
23:38:08n1sbluebrother: voice is supposed to work nicely as long as the order of the strings in english.lang doesn't change (with only new strings missing) the whole features thingy has made this a bit harder to maintain though, since a change in a targets' configure can add or remove strings...
23:38:18bluebrothersomeone has spare time and motivation around? ;-)
23:38:39bluebrothern1s: I bet the order changed between 3.3 and svn ...
23:39:05n1squite possible
23:39:40n1sso Bagder did the voices suffer the same problem as the source zip?
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23:49:20roolkupixelma: they are shorter than the normal ones, so there are three sizes now
23:49:39funmaninstead of voting again for a new Rockbox Steering Board, I suggest we could extend the lifetime of the board
23:50:47funman4 of the 5 people in the board are still active (I believe Llorean has been replaced by someone else ?), and since the board has not been used since one year, we could safely extend the lifetime instead of bothering with a vote
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23:52:39gevaertsnot really. The board is only needed in case of serious issues, which means that its legitimacy must be solid. Silently extending its lifetime does not exactly help with that
23:53:30funmani must be biased by the fact that i trust the people present in it
23:54:31gevaertsso do I, but that's not the point
23:55:37funmanI understand Bagder's email from July 21st, that he expects other committers to decide how the vote must take place
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23:55:53funman(on private committers mailing list)
23:56:16Bagdernot really _expect_ but I would appreciate if someone else would coordinate it this time
23:58:02projectbebopis there a way to shut down a 1g nano using rockbox? mine just reboots and i have to go into the ipod firmware to turn it off
23:58:41funmanholidays period makes voting a bit difficult, we want everyone to speak
23:58:45linuxstbprojectbebop: Holding PLAY/PAUSE for a few seconds will shut down. Do you have the USB cable or a charger/dock attached?

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