#rockbox 2009-07-26

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#rockbox log for 2009-07-26

00:00:04	GeekShadow	I just registered in the wiki
00:00:09	GeekShadow	I need write permission
00:00:29	sinthetek	nonetheless they do sound like they are 'skipping' sometimes, hah. when i first saw that option i was like 'whoa! how do they compensate for that stuff?! it must only work for minor distortions to obvious patterns or something...'
00:00:44	sinthetek	didn't even occur to me that 'skip' might mean something else
00:02:31		Quit Llorean ("Leaving.")
00:02:55	gevaerts	GeekShadow: we want real names on the wiki
00:03:30	GeekShadow	oh ok, how do I change back ?
00:03:42	gevaerts	just register again
00:06:16	GeekShadow	here it is : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AntoineTurmel
00:06:39	GeekShadow	sorry for the double registration :/
00:07:25	gevaerts	GeekShadow: ok. I added you. Now please be nice on the wiki :)
00:07:45	GeekShadow	No problem ;) I already work on several open source projects ;)
00:08:21	GeekShadow	I'm adding myself in Meizu M3 testers
00:10:00	gevaerts	ah, welcome :)
00:16:48	BeChris	gevaerts : could I get write access to the wiki as well in order to update pages related to plugins ?
00:17:45	gevaerts	BeChris: done
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00:17:57	gevaerts	A patch for the manual would be even better :)
00:18:00	BeChris	gevaerts : thank you
00:18:12	BeChris	Now time for bed now
00:18:12	GeekShadow	gevaerts, what does mean old version for Meizu M3 ?
00:18:25	BeChris	See U
00:18:38		Part BeChris
00:18:44	gevaerts	GeekShadow: there appear to be two versions of it, with slightly different hardware
00:19:12	gevaerts	and to answer your next question, no I don't know how to easily see which one you have :)
00:19:51	GeekShadow	I got a black Meizu M3 8GB Version SP copyright is 2007
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00:20:46	gevaerts	SP? IIRC mine says SL. Not sure though
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00:21:08	gevaerts	and I can't look. bertrik has it
00:21:09	kugel	pixelma: ok, then we can deactive it for M5/X5 (although I don't think a combo with the power button would be too bad - unless the hardware poweroff kicks in in < 3s)
00:21:11	Zagor	gevaerts: how come the new scores are higher than the old? I thought they would be lower.
00:21:12	kugel	but I just tried BUTTON_NONE as precondition for combos and it worked as I remembered/expected
00:21:48	pixelma	sigh
00:22:33	gevaerts	Zagor: partly just randomness I guess, but also, I count CPU time for the build, not wall-clock time. Maybe there's a bit more overhead now?
00:23:03	kugel	pixelma: I changed the precondition for id3 viewer, and now pressing down first before select works too
00:23:49	Zagor	gevaerts: that makes sense
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00:24:54	pixelma	kugel: if e.g. long select is also mapped to an action what happens if you hold select befor down now (and that holding is a little too long)?
00:25:59	kugel	do the long select action
00:26:30	pixelma	see, what happens if you have select as pre condition?
00:26:42	kugel	the same
00:28:05	kugel	else long select wouldn't have worked ever
00:28:54	pixelma	man, seems I can't explain it but there is a difference :\
00:29:33	CIA-7	New commit by zagor (r22039): Moved some shared code to rbmaster.pm
00:29:50	pixelma	and I think combos with power on the X5/M5 are pretty bad, especially as power is not a button but more a slider (with hold in the other direction) and there is no place combos with power are used
00:31:41	CIA-7	New commit by zagor (r22040): Changed from counting score to counting speed. Moved some shared code to rbmaster.pm. Added client blocklist file. Added roundstart script.
00:33:28	kugel	pixelma: I accept that (the M5/X5 thing), but what difference do you mean with the precondition?
00:33:50	kugel	I don't see a difference here, except that pressing either button first works now
00:34:02	CIA-7	New commit by zagor (r22041): Added 'use DBI'.
00:34:13	*	pixelma wished there was someone else helping out explaining :(
00:34:48	CIA-7	New commit by zagor (r22042): Put size data in database.
00:35:12	CIA-7	New commit by zagor (r22043): Client blocklist file
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00:36:00	CIA-7	New commit by zagor (r22044): Removed custom sorting in favor of simple alphabetic.
00:36:37	CIA-7	New commit by zagor (r22045): Added check for "Build Failure:".
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00:37:10	kugel	haha, fall of the custom sorting :)
00:38:00	Bagder	alpha sort there is really confusing
00:38:14	Bagder	which is why I went away from it
00:38:19	Zagor	yes, but at least it is the same order as the build table
00:38:24	Bagder	no
00:38:29	Bagder	unless you change sort key
00:38:55	Zagor	well, it is
00:38:57	Bagder	the build table sorts on the full name
00:39:09	Bagder	the size table didn't at least have that name
00:39:22	kugel	the build table already has a weird sorting
00:39:32	Bagder	true
00:39:40	Bagder	why is that?
00:39:47	kugel	where does that come from?
00:39:47	gevaerts	is it number-aware?
00:39:53	Zagor	the build table doesn't sort on fullname now, and I can't recall it did before either
00:40:01	*	kugel slaps GeekShadow
00:40:09	GeekShadow	me
00:40:10	kugel	gevaerts too!!
00:40:12	GeekShadow	!
00:40:17	Zagor	but that would of course make it slightly less cryptic
00:40:32	gevaerts	GeekShadow: don't worry. It's just his tab-completion failing :)
00:40:35	kugel	GeekShadow: sorry, tab completition failure :(
00:40:49	kugel	and slowness
00:40:57	GeekShadow	ok :p
00:41:00	CIA-7	New commit by zagor (r22046): Remove old files (>20 revisions old) from data dir.
00:41:18	kugel	Zagor: the sorting before made sense though
00:41:21	Bagder	ah, ok the current build table is sorted by the shortname
00:41:28	Bagder	which is crazy
00:41:46	CIA-7	New commit by zagor (r22047): Added data dir cleanup. Added build-info creation for rbutil.
00:41:47	Bagder	since it is a little "random" ;-)
00:42:05	kugel	ah, that's why Zen Vision comes so early, it doesn't show the "creative" part of the short name
00:42:51	Bagder	previously it was sorted on the long name, which also has "Creative" but that was cut out in the image title!
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00:43:39	funman	hi
00:43:46	CIA-7	New commit by zagor (r22048): Cut away functions that are now in rbmaster.pm. Moved from score to speed.
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00:44:22	kugel	233s for the most recent build, awesome
00:44:32	funman	Bagder: thanks for your clarification on previous relations between rockbox and AMS
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00:44:49	kugel	is that public?
00:44:50	Bagder	my pleasure!
00:45:00	funman	I will modify the email i had written, and send it to the AMS marketing product manager
00:45:11	Bagder	kugel: no...
00:45:17	kugel	ok
00:45:27	funman	I will put the committers mailing list in CC, I think it's better than rockbox-dev
00:45:36	*	Bagder agrees
00:47:05	*	pixelma wonders what funman is talking about ;)
00:48:06	funman	pixelma: i contacted a person working at AMS to ask for the datasheet needed for Clipv2/Fuzev2 port
00:53:47	CIA-7	New commit by kugel (r22049): Deactive the playlist viewer wps shortcut on the x5/m5 because of its hardware inability to do combos. Only combos with the power button work, but ...
00:53:48	funman	do you remember when rp & austriancoder have visited AMS HQ ?
00:54:09	pixelma	it's a pity that the png viewer is colour lcd only
00:54:40	Bagder	funman: lemme search a little...
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00:55:27	kugel	Bagder: can we restore the old sorting?
00:56:14	Bagder	with a little poking we should be able to, sure
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00:56:37	Zagor	build table is now fullname sorted
00:57:01	Zagor	with fullname shown by mouseover on the title image
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00:57:21	blodow	hi everyone!
00:57:25	Bagder	fancy!
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00:57:38	blodow	are there any devs around (or other knowledgeable people?) ;)
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00:57:51	pixelma	try it
00:57:52	Zagor	(the red 1:s just mean those builds aren't done yet)
00:58:06	Bagder	ah
00:58:12	blodow	or could someone explain what the difficulties are for porting rockbox to 6th gen ipods?
00:58:13	Bagder	the summary link also didn't exist
00:58:33	blodow	i undrestnd the firmware is encrypted and the hardware is different
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00:58:50	kugel	Zagor: awesome, cool
00:58:53	Zagor	blodow: that's about it, yes
00:59:07	blodow	so is it possible to at least get a hex dump of the firmware?
00:59:28	Bagder	blodow: encrypted, yes
00:59:45	Bagder	although the #linux4nano guys seem to have some takes on the 6g as well
00:59:48	blodow	ok, and is anything known about the encryption method?
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01:00:00	saratoga	presumably AES128
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01:00:14	Bagder	with no known key
01:00:25	saratoga	you should probably go ask on the linux4nano mailing list or irc channel, as they are the group working on it
01:00:45	blodow	ooh, ok. never heard of them
01:01:03	blodow	but thanks for now, i might come back with more stupid questions ;)
01:01:29	Bagder	funman: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AustriaMicrosystems
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01:02:29	funman	thanks!
01:03:00	Bagder	Zagor: ... and now you see why I had the sorting thing for the size table ;-)
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01:03:42	Zagor	Bagder: hehe
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01:03:49	Bagder	52 clients!
01:04:13	Bagder	I figured we can also point out on the -dev list that "anyone" can join this effort now
01:04:20	Bagder	could bring a few more clients
01:04:37	saratoga	the forums too
01:04:39	gevaerts	we need 100!
01:04:44	Bagder	yes, forums as well
01:04:51	saratoga	theres lot of people who dont do development but still have the build tools setup
01:04:54	kugel	do we need more than 118?
01:04:59	Zagor	and there were 3 more that didn't get any work done. I'm updating the stat page now to show those.
01:05:27	Bagder	kugel: well, we can always use the fastest 118 of them ;-)
01:05:30	gevaerts	kugel: sure. We need more ports as well :)
01:05:42	kugel	:-P
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01:05:47	Zagor	if we get 118 I can stop worrying about best-fit :)
01:06:26	roolku	Zagor: any idea why b36 almost always gets its build canceled? It seems to get h100 sim initially which is cancelled and then a few others - could it have some easier work please? ;)
01:06:30	gevaerts	but what if we only get 117? ;)
01:06:43	blodow	does someone here have such a encrypted firmware image?
01:07:00	roolku	Zagor: last time it actually did some proper work was doall grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo
01:07:37	roolku	Zagor: last time it actually did some proper work was r22025
01:07:46	Bagder	a nobel task, that grepping ;-)
01:07:58	Zagor	roolku: b36 just barely nudges into the "fast" category with its' 57 pts/sec speed. the limit is 50. perhaps the limit should be raised slightly.
01:08:37	kugel	having 1 limit will probably always be wrong
01:09:09	kugel	if we raise the limit, faster clients could start to take the easy jobs away
01:09:18	Bagder	yeah, the "two categories" approach will always lead to this one way or another
01:09:27	Zagor	yup
01:09:36	gevaerts	kugel: that's what best-fit is supposed to solve
01:09:57	kugel	IMO, with 52 clients we don't need to optimize for single clients any more :)
01:10:19	Bagder	Zagor: the in-progress red-1 should probably be made more clearly visibly different than a red build
01:10:43	kugel	make it pink!
01:10:56	Zagor	Bagder: yes. it is not meant to be displayed, it was visible only because I was testing the new sorting when a round started
01:11:28	Bagder	oh, I thought it was early work on some progress meter thing
01:11:37	Zagor	unfortunately not yet
01:12:04	pixelma	hmm... my build client told me that it did some bootloaders and a player sim (and I can see that in the stats list) but there's only one of them mentioned when hovering over the build in the build table, is that correct?
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01:14:16	pixelma	what would also be fancy are timestamps in the build table... ;)
01:15:10	Zagor	oops, the actual builds are not sorted the same as the titles :)
01:15:22	Bagder	hahaha
01:15:44	Zagor	fixed
01:17:24	pixelma	ahhh :)
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01:24:21	roolku	zagor: there is something funny with b36 - its the same hardware as b21-b37; I just can't work if it is the machine or the build system that causes the low rating
01:24:46	roolku	Zagor: similar with b21 (although this gets some builds done)
01:25:16	roolku	Zagor: I have done a local build of the h100 sim and it took 1min45
01:25:22	Zagor	b21 is even slower, falls into the slow category and thus gets to do bootloaders
01:26:40	roolku	Zagor: should I take b36 out? Maybe it makes allocation easier
01:27:26	Zagor	roolku: no it doesn't matter. keep it in.
01:27:52	funman	I sent the reply to AMS
01:28:09	funman	I hope the person will like the email timestamp ;)
01:30:55	funman	He is out of office until and will be back on Tuesday
01:30:59	froggyman	is there a feature in rockbox similar to the "soundcheck" feature in Apples OF, where it equalizes the volume of songs?
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01:35:01	CIA-7	New commit by zagor (r22050): Also show clients with no completed builds.
01:35:28	funman	froggyman: replaygain ?
01:36:14	froggyman	is that what its called?
01:36:53	funman	read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_Gain if you don't know it already, from what I know it could fit your requirements
01:38:05	froggyman	funman: that sounds right, thanks :)
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02:04:26	KittenKat	ok i have a stupid question... does rockbox still support vorbisgain?
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02:10:10	funman	doesn't look like it does, did rockbox used to support it ?
02:10:40	KittenKat	i rember seeing it in a changelog ages ago
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02:11:46	KittenKat	vobris gain writes special tags to a ogg so a player supporting it can then replay all the ogg's at the same gain level
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02:12:06	funman	http://linux.die.net/man/1/vorbisgain lists the tags
02:12:17	KittenKat	which means that after i vorbis gain my ogg collection i shouldent go from really quiet song to ungodly loud song
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02:13:35	funman	i think adding vorbisgain support is a simple task since id3 replaygain tags are already supported
02:14:04	pixelma	Rockbox supports replay gain tags, don't know if that's what's written to vorbis comments too
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02:19:13	KittenKat	well i have way too many projects going on to mess with it honestly
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02:29:11	Hillshum	vim
02:29:25	Hillshum	sorry about that
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03:00:06	Unhelpful	we don't support RG tags on vorbis?
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03:43:39	KittenKat	what's the latest bootloader version?
03:43:50	KittenKat	my dns seems to be down :/
03:43:56	KittenKat	so i cant open shit that isnt already up
03:46:04	dz	KittenKat: set your dns server to 4.2.2.2 then
03:46:39	KittenKat	nods
03:46:45	KittenKat	i've been meaning to do that
03:46:53	KittenKat	but i'm a lazy bastard lately
03:47:03	KittenKat	tis the new meds
03:50:45	krazykit	KittenKat, bootloader version for what target?
03:51:52	KittenKat	the C200
03:52:24	KittenKat	using rbutil just puts in v5.0 which throws me to the OE firmware when conncting to usb and the device in the off state
03:52:58	KittenKat	since the latest firmware for the C200 properly handles charging and usb i figured a bootloader would be out that just puts you in rockbox firmware
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03:53:33	KittenKat	it's not a big deal. more an idle curosity
03:54:25	dz	KittenKat: I know there's one in flyspray for the e200s
03:54:50	KittenKat	huh :/
03:56:16	dz	ah
03:56:35	dz	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9955
03:58:07	*	KittenKat nods
03:58:10	dz	KittenKat: the bootloader in that tracker item will still load rockbox when charging or using USB
03:58:21	KittenKat	ok now to figure out how to install it :P
03:59:18	dz	KittenKat: sansapatcher <device> -a <filename.mi4>
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03:59:43	KittenKat	nods and looks for sansapatcher
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04:00:33	KittenKat	is .05 the latest sansapatcher?
04:00:45	dz	shouldn't matter which you use
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04:06:27	KittenKat	bitching
04:06:32	KittenKat	thanks dz
04:06:38	KittenKat	sorry i didnt rtfm better
04:08:20	dz	no sweat, I had to ask about it in here too :P
04:09:36	KittenKat	it seems like it handles the vorbisgain tags
04:14:48	KittenKat	i really wish i didnt have to sell my M:Robe MR-100 years ago
04:14:55	KittenKat	that was the coolest damn player
04:16:50	r0b-	whats so great about it
04:17:59	KittenKat	it was red and black with all touch controls and the control panel/lcd area was all black when it was in the off state
04:18:03	KittenKat	aka coolest thing ever
04:18:41	r0b-	hmmm
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04:34:42	KittenKat	yay
04:35:02	KittenKat	that c200 is totally purrfect :)
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07:26:35	projectbebop	hey
07:27:35	projectbebop	i searched the forums but couldnt find a solution to my problem
07:28:37	projectbebop	i'm using the latest release of rockbox v 3.3 on a g1 2gb nano. whenever i try to shutdown it reboots, goes to the apple logo, and back into rockbox
07:28:57	projectbebop	the only way to turn it off is to load the apple firmware, then i can turn it off
07:29:07	projectbebop	my ipod does not think that it's always charging
07:29:19	projectbebop	can anyone offer any insight?
07:29:20	projectbebop	thanks
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07:31:53	projectbebop	i'm pretty much having this problem http://new.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8372?project=1&type=2&pagenum=3
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08:11:41	evilnick_home1	projectbebop: How are you shutting it down?
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12:02:49	Lear	Btw, if realloc fails, should it free the old memory then?
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12:03:53	Lear	Not freed, apparently...
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12:14:17	linuxstb	Lear: Isn't that a fatal error though? i.e. does it matter what it does?
12:15:56	Lear	For Rockbox it is fatal, so in that case it doesn't matter. But keeping standard behavior is always nice...
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14:35:00	schrottplatz	hi, i crashed my sansa fuze when i tried to format it on ubuntu(linux). i have the rockbox firmware on it. i can only enter the sansa firmware and there it says that my fat is corrupted. the only problem is that my pc wont detect it :S
14:37:04	schrottplatz	how can i format it?
14:38:05	AsaelReiter	what is the output of lsusb?
14:39:04	AsaelReiter	and how did you try to format it?
14:39:08	schrottplatz	wtf?! now lsusb doesnt print anything
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14:40:41	schrottplatz	i connected it to the windows pc of my sister and it detects sth but it cant work with it :S
14:41:31	schrottplatz	on my old e200 there was sth like a recovery mode... is there sth like that on the fuze too?
14:41:33	gevaerts	schrottplatz: please use full words here, not things like 'sth'
14:41:53	schrottplatz	*something...
14:41:59	gevaerts	(as stated clearly in the guidelines linked to from the topic)
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14:42:31	AsaelReiter	when it's connected to the Ubuntu, does lsusb show anything?
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14:42:58	schrottplatz	AsaelReiter: no, nothing
14:43:25	AsaelReiter	what about dmesg?
14:43:57	schrottplatz	i will paste it into a pastebin ok?
14:44:07	AsaelReiter	no
14:44:15	AsaelReiter	only the last lines
14:44:52	schrottplatz	http://pastebin.com/d5e6c5cb3
14:45:29	schrottplatz	it must be line 24-27
14:47:02	schrottplatz	connected it again: http://pastebin.com/d7cdd2d20
14:50:05	AsaelReiter	I read that about 15 seconds holding the power button will format. I don't know this works, but you can try.
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14:51:00	schrottplatz	AsaelReiter: hmmm it only resets it
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14:51:39	AsaelReiter	I have not idea. How did you try to format it?
14:51:52	schrottplatz	is it possibal to flsah it via a microsd card?
14:52:01	schrottplatz	AsaelReiter: gedit
14:52:04	schrottplatz	aww
14:52:05	schrottplatz	sry
14:52:07	schrottplatz	gparted
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14:52:38	AsaelReiter	to fat?
14:53:01	schrottplatz	fat32
14:53:09	schrottplatz	but then icouldn't enter it anymore
14:59:33	AsaelReiter	when you turn on the sansa firmware, when does it fail?
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15:01:53	schrottplatz	it says "FAT is corrupted. Please connect device to PC and recover FAT."
15:02:23	AsaelReiter	does it turn of immidiatly?
15:02:46	AsaelReiter	*immediately
15:02:57	schrottplatz	no
15:03:17	schrottplatz	it stays on until i reset it by pressing off
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15:04:49	AsaelReiter	did you try to connect it to the computer in both states (on and off)?
15:04:57	schrottplatz	yes
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15:09:01	AsaelReiter	sorry
15:09:12	AsaelReiter	I don't know
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15:12:57	BdN3504	hai, can someone please commit FS 10187 ? i spent three hours writing the manual entry (don't laught at me, it's only my second attempt)
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15:30:28	mcuelenaere	bluebrother, domonoky (logs): Have you seen FS #10456 ? Any objections/comments?
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15:49:00	mcuelenaere	mt: are you sure you can make ext_list NULL in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/metadata.c?r1=22030;r2=22031;pathrev=22031 ?
15:49:46	mcuelenaere	doesn't that lead to a strcasecmp(<something>, NULL) ?
15:50:22	mcuelenaere	(and a NULL pointer dereference a bit later)
15:51:24	mcuelenaere	it's even reproducable in the sim
15:51:34	mcuelenaere	try viewing the properties of a .rmvb file
15:55:08	mcuelenaere	replacing it with "rm\0ra\0" seems to fix it
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16:17:15	stripwax	mcuelenaere - I think it causes a crash when updating db if you have .rm files too ..
16:17:48	mcuelenaere	well like I said, replacing it with "rm\0ra\0" seems to fix it; not sure if the behaviour changes though
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16:22:40	bertrik	what are the criteria for putting a new target in SVN?
16:23:22	gevaerts	as far as I can see, someone has to want to put it there :)
16:23:45	bertrik	code for the samsung yp-s3 I've been working on could be put in SVN, but I don't think it will run a "real" rockbox anytime soon (just a bootloader in RAM)
16:24:28	gevaerts	it's at least as far along as the nano2g and the meizu ports when they went in
16:24:38	bertrik	hm, true :)
16:25:25	bertrik	we have a firmware/target/arm/samsung tree and a firmware/target/arm/s5l8700 tree
16:25:42	bertrik	I think the code best fits in the latter
16:26:17	CIA-6	New commit by roolku (r22053): initial commit of remote support for m:robe 100 courtesy of lowlight; simulator support including small fixes for the m:robe 500
16:32:41	bertrik	meh, I can't get the radio or wmcodec on the i2c bus to work at all, the rtc on the same i2c bus seems to work fine
16:33:40	bertrik	Maybe I'm missing some kind of enable/power signal for those, I can imagine that the RTC is always on (it needs to be running always)
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16:35:03	*	bertrik found the charging status indicator bit in the samsung yp-s3
16:38:13	CIA-6	New commit by mcuelenaere (r22054): Onda VX747: change PNG menu button to BUTTON_POWER
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16:43:16	funman	bertrik: when creating target/arm/as3525 i was told it was better to use the SoC name for the folder
16:43:38	funman	since basically no code is shared between Sansa e200v1 and e200v2 for example (except the as3514 code already present in another place)
16:45:05	bertrik	funman, ok makes sense
16:45:43	funman	PP target directories should be moved somewhere (it's on MrSomeone's todo list)
16:45:59	funman	perhaps arm/pp/{samsung,sansa} ?
16:59:04	tmzt	looks like the linux layout
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17:00:20	tmzt	they have a few conventions that might make sense here, like plat-s3c mach-s3c2400 foe example
17:00:44	tmzt	all code common to sasumng socs is in plat-s3c (which is now plat-samsung)
17:03:44	funman	but here it is not a samsung soc, but a pp soc
17:04:00	funman	with some code specific to Samsung players using a PP soc
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17:04:52	tmzt	oh sorry, so in that case plat-pp or something, and mach-pp5502??
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17:07:43	funman	what is the difference between plat-* and mach-* in linux ?
17:07:51	funman	oh I see
17:08:20	funman	here that would be something like plat-pp and mach-pp-samsung / mach-pp-sandisk
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17:08:59	funman	or in rockbox tradition, arm/pp/sandisk-sansa-e200 , arm/pp/samsung-yh920 ..
17:09:44	funman	we could add another depth: arm/pp/sandisk/sansa-e200 arm/pp/sandisk/sansa-c200 arm/pp/samsung/yh925 (cpu/soc/manufacturer/model)
17:10:26	funman	that would be a little annoying when a specific soc is only used by one manufacturer
17:22:01	tmzt	how many c files per device?
17:26:29	funman	samsung: 3 files common to all models, plus 3 files per model
17:26:42	funman	same for sandisk
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17:39:20	stripwax	Does anyone know a resource with (many/several) example rm cook audio files? i'm about to commit some cook optimisations and want to check some existing files don't fail (the one example file I have from saratoga works .. :)
17:40:09	martian67	does anything even use RM anymore?
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17:41:10	stripwax	martian67 - well, Rockbox does, since mt has recently added support for cook codec and is adding AAC-in-rm and others too, as part of GSOC ..
17:41:23	martian67	hm
17:41:29	stripwax	hm?
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17:49:37	mcuelenaere	stripwax: there are some samples at ffmpeg IIRC
17:49:58	stripwax	thanks
17:50:13	mcuelenaere	stripwax: http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/real/
17:53:46	stripwax	mcuelenaere - fantastic, cheers
17:55:56	bertrik	I think I found the radio power bit for the radio of the samsung yp-s3
17:57:29	tmzt	gpio?
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18:01:12	bertrik	yes
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18:39:27	bertrik	yay, tuner communication works
18:42:31	markun	bertrik: on the samsung?
18:42:56	bertrik	markun, yes, that's all I've been working on in the past 3 days
18:43:20	markun	do you promote the rockbox port in some samsung forum(s)?
18:44:03	bertrik	I did open a thread on the anythingbutipod forums
18:46:48	bertrik	I worry a bit about this all being in vain for the samsung yp-s3 because we don't have any way to write to the NAND yet
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18:47:12	bertrik	at least for the meizus we have a DFU firmware upgrader that could write a bootloader to NOR
18:49:40	markun	bertrik: why do you think we might not be able to write to the NAND on the yp-s3?
18:49:53	gevaerts	isn't that just a question of finding out what exact NAND is used?
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18:50:26	bertrik	just a question?
18:50:47	bertrik	it could be that the firmware is written to NAND in plain format, without any fancy FTL, you mean?
18:51:10	gevaerts	yes
18:51:54	markun	bertrik: the DFU util from samsung also comes with an image to write a firmware to the NAND, maybe it also works for the YP-S3
18:51:59	gevaerts	I mean, the boot rom reads it from there
18:51:59	bertrik	we would have to figure out how and where the OF is stored and write our own DFU upgrader
18:52:53	bertrik	markun, I accidently tried that and it didn't work
18:52:57	markun	I'm talking about the updateNAND_BE_070831.dfu file
18:53:02	bertrik	(maybe I was using the wrong .dfu file though)
18:53:03	markun	hm, that's too bad
18:53:31	bertrik	I remember using the updateNAND_BE ... file
18:53:59	markun	bertrik: there is also the BluesutilNAND_BE_070905.DFU file
18:54:44	markun	gevaerts: we've used the first one to flash the M6SL, right?
18:55:31	bertrik	if anything goes wrong with this, the player is bricked I guess (although the DFU mode could still be used for running stuf fin RAM)
18:55:45	gevaerts	markun: I think so, yes
18:57:41	bertrik	markun, the updateNAND_BE ... did cause the CPU string reported by meizu_dfu to be changed though, so it did indeed run
18:58:59	markun	bertrik: some info about and YP player and DFU flashing http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17656&page=4
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18:59:39	markun	don't know if it's useful
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19:01:37	bertrik	I think I downloaded the mentioned tool
19:01:45	markun	this one? http://celtic.aion.hu/PROGRAM/Samsung_YP_U3/
19:02:17	markun	I see this file YP-U3_DFULoader_070705.DFU
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19:02:32	markun	don't even know what the SoC of the U3 is..
19:04:07	bertrik	S5L8424
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19:04:42	bertrik	the USB id in the DFU utility ini file is not the same as the one of my yps3
19:04:45	markun	aha, not even ARM
19:05:22	markun	only the CalmRISC16 which the S5L8700 only has as a co-processor
19:05:35	markun	I wonder if we will ever make use of it
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19:44:48	AsaelReiter	Hi.
19:45:05	AsaelReiter	Can somebody look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10463 ?
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21:06:41	CIA-6	New commit by stripwax (r22055): Approx 10% speedup in cook on files tested: Remove some inner loops in favour of memcpy/memset/vect_add calls; remove multiplication from index ...
21:07:48	*	stripwax looks out for red..
21:11:29	Zagor	w1ll14m: your build client names are ... duplicated?
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21:21:35	TheCoolGman	Hi why is the Daily build's source still r21932?
21:24:09	Zagor	it is? http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml says 22050
21:25:54	TheCoolGman	Yeah but I unzipped it and got build r21932. I downloaded the current with TortoiseSVN I just want to know what's going on.
21:31:07	stripwax	saratoga/mt - latest profiling looks something like this - http://pastebin.com/m506ee313
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21:33:34	Zagor	TheCoolGman: indeed, looks like the same zip file has been uploaded since 20090718. I'll look into it.
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21:41:28	CIA-6	New commit by rob (r22056): Re-work D2 power off behaviour. ...
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21:48:30	bluebrother	what's this "points per second" value of the build system?
21:49:22	Zagor	it shows how fast the client is. each build has a score. divide that with the seconds it took to build it, and you get points/second
21:50:16	bluebrother	ah. So my box is rather slow. Didn't expect anything else though :)
21:51:19	*	gevaerts points to monster-gevaerts and viac3-zagor :)
21:51:48	CIA-6	New commit by roolku (r22057): new powerup in brickmania ...
21:52:06	bluebrother	so the score value in the client list is the sum of the scores for the builds done by that client?
21:52:26	gevaerts	yes
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21:53:22	*	bluebrother was considering to get some via c3 like thingy as a router and get that running as a build server :)
21:56:09	Zagor	bluebrother: it works great ;)
21:56:27	bluebrother	Zagor: as router or build client? ;-)
21:56:46	gevaerts	bluebrother: Zagor is still disappointed about his c3 not being the slowest client :)
21:57:02	Zagor	I use it for a file + squeezebox server and build client
21:57:11	bluebrother	run it with qemu!
21:57:21	gevaerts	that's cheating
21:57:22	Zagor	that's cheating. only native speed counts.
21:57:36	gevaerts	cygwin is borderline, but qemu is out
21:57:39	*	bluebrother googles for squeezebox
21:59:04	gevaerts	Zagor: you've probably seen that I went back to two clients. I still don't understand why I don't get higher scores with a single one
21:59:33	Zagor	it is a bit weird. though the difference was not very big, was it?
21:59:51	gevaerts	450..500 for a single client, around 600 total for two
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22:00:31	Zagor	certainly significant
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22:00:45	gevaerts	I think even 600 is low actually. That's what I would expect without ccache
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22:01:54	bluebrother	if dev.cgi would show the results as they come in it would be really nice
22:02:25	bluebrother	not that it's that much of use, though :)
22:02:28	Zagor	gevaerts: well the build system counts wallclock time, not cpu time. so there will be a gap.
22:02:40	Zagor	bluebrother: that is planned
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22:03:40	gevaerts	Zagor: the latest benchmark builds took about 35 minutes in total, so about 572 points/second
22:03:49	bluebrother	Zagor: cool. Any other nice features planned? Nicer table? AJAX stuff? Coffee machine as build server?
22:04:31	gevaerts	so why is there a 20% drop by running it in a client? Protocol overhead?
22:04:32	Zagor	bluebrother: ajax to "automatically" show builds as they complete, a compressed table that only shows targets with notices
22:04:40	Zagor	gevaerts: good question
22:04:58	Zagor	the protocol is silly small, so that's hardly it
22:05:23	gevaerts	or maybe the machine has so much CPU that ccache slows it down?
22:05:35	*	gevaerts decides to test that theory
22:05:36	*	bluebrother is impressed by the build system
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22:06:05	bluebrother	really nice work. Congrats!
22:06:09	Zagor	thanks
22:06:36	bluebrother	have you thought about announcing red builds on irc?
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22:07:02	Zagor	yes, that is planned too.
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22:07:12	gevaerts	bluebrother: everything is planned!
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22:07:44	bluebrother	gevaerts: ah, that explains things!
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22:13:45	gevaerts	it doesn't look like it's ccache
22:14:07	gevaerts	although maybe I could disable it for the next round or so, to make sure
22:14:47	Zagor	gevaerts: is your system doing something else? the client nices the builds.
22:15:23	gevaerts	no. It's a dedicated VM, and the other VMs are idle
22:16:03	Zagor	you could try comparing a (few) niced build(s) with non-niced.
22:16:29	Zagor	I agree it sounds impropable, but I'm out of clues
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22:19:35	gevaerts	no difference
22:19:40	roolku	gevaerts: what do you use as VM? There will be an overhead with the virtual SMP. My attempt at using virtualbox was slower than cygwin
22:19:51	gevaerts	roolku: this is xen
22:20:27	gevaerts	Zagor: which build time is used for the speed calculation? Does it include upload time?
22:21:04	Zagor	no, it's the time between BUILD and UPLOADING
22:21:05	gevaerts	roolku: but that shouldn't matter. It's the exact same VM that seems to be slower as a build client than for manual builds
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22:21:47	roolku	hm, strange indeed
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22:22:55	gevaerts	well, ccache is disabled now. If it turns out to be the problem after all, we'll know
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22:35:17	AsaelReiter	roolku: thanks for including my patch
22:36:32	roolku	AsaelReiter: you are welcome :)
22:37:34	AsaelReiter	roolku: however, some minutes after that you did it, I uploaded it with some more lines.
22:37:45	AsaelReiter	roolku: (for the help screen)
22:37:57	AsaelReiter	roolku: can you include it?
22:40:23	roolku	AsaelReiter: could you make a new patch with the differences? I'll open the task again
22:41:06	AsaelReiter	I uploaded it before you closed the task.
22:41:27	AsaelReiter	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10463?getfile=20149
22:41:49	AsaelReiter	it's only 2 lines in brickmania.c
22:46:43	CIA-6	New commit by roolku (r22058): updated help for r22057
22:47:11	AsaelReiter	roolku: Thanks again :)
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22:59:21	Bagder	Zagor: shouldn't the number in the build table show number of participating clients, not just number of clients that completed a full build?
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23:00:17	Zagor	yes it should. that info is not stored properly at the moment, hence the discrepancy.
23:00:23	Bagder	aha
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23:03:10	gevaerts	huh?
23:04:03	Zagor	gevaerts: was this without ccache?
23:04:07	gevaerts	yes
23:04:12	Zagor	strange
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23:04:29	Zagor	how big is your ccache cache?
23:04:46	Zagor	(ccache -s)
23:04:52	gevaerts	default, 1GB
23:06:04	Zagor	you may want to bump that to at least 5GB. my clients use just under 5 GB each.
23:06:58	Zagor	uh, of course they do... duh
23:07:03	gevaerts	:)
23:07:47	Bagder	why is that of course?
23:08:00	gevaerts	but even then, it shouldn't cause this sort of slowdown
23:08:23	Zagor	Bagder: ccache will fill whatever cache it gets, as revisions come and go
23:08:31	Bagder	mine doesn't
23:08:46	Bagder	cache size 860.6 Mbytes
23:08:55	Bagder	max cache size 976.6 Mbytes
23:09:00	Zagor	ok, then it does some pruning I'm not aware of
23:09:16	Zagor	ah well that is within about the same percentage I get
23:09:20	Bagder	i raised my limit now to see what happens
23:09:33	Zagor	4.2 and 4.7 of 5GB
23:09:47	Zagor	4.2 doesn't sound full though
23:10:06	Zagor	viac3 doesn't use much cache :)
23:10:07	*	gevaerts decides to see how much a single "normal" build uses in ccache
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23:16:21	gevaerts	gigabeat F, normal+sim+bootloader, 17.0MB ccache used. If that's representative, it means about 670MB used for all builds
23:16:28	gevaerts	so 1GB really should be OK
23:17:06	pixelma	roolku: (or actually AsaelReiter), I wonder about the new "short pads" - are they necessary, or just a rename from the old ones named "pad" only? Also the 112x64 monochrome bmp looks weird (it's not monochrome which doesn't hurt as it's scaled down during compile) but it looks odd at the right hand side
23:17:34	pixelma	if it's just a rename, shouldn't the old ones be deleted - or did I miss this?
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23:23:49	CIA-6	New commit by zagor (r22059): Added root "builds" dir, to allow for ramdisks etc.
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23:28:55	n1s	Zagor: are the automated voice file builds working still? I have seen several reports of rbutil installing what sounds like an outdated voicefile
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23:29:17	Zagor	n1s: those are Bagder's baby
23:30:01	bluebrother	maybe it would be a good idea to give the voicefiles version numbers and warn upon startup if it doesn't match. Something like the plugin API version
23:30:01	n1s	ah
23:30:03	Bagder	I don't know if they work, I just know they're still produced!
23:30:29	n1s	bluebrother: it's on MrSomeone's todo list
23:30:47	bluebrother	n1s: nice to know :)
23:30:59	pixelma	is the download for rbutil after the build system changed fixed?
23:31:16	bluebrother	has the download changed?
23:32:14	pixelma	I don't know but there were reports that people got the last build from the old system for a while
23:32:44	Bagder	that was that generated file that wasn't updated for a while methinks
23:32:52	bluebrother	there was an issue with it _displaying_ the wrong version number.
23:33:25	bluebrother	haven't heard of people actually getting a wrong version. "Just" a broken display.
23:34:49	Zagor	Bagder: there's something wrong with the daily source zip. 20090718 is being uploaded/created every day.
23:35:19	Zagor	i.e. all source archives since then is the same
23:35:29	bluebrother	hmm, there are quite a bunch of issues with voice and rbutil :/
23:35:44	bluebrother	i.e. no good differentiation between build versions
23:36:39	Bagder	ah yes
23:36:47	Bagder	it relied on the distributed system... :-)
23:37:59	*	bluebrother thinks rbutil needs quite some rework for version handling anyway
23:38:08	n1s	bluebrother: voice is supposed to work nicely as long as the order of the strings in english.lang doesn't change (with only new strings missing) the whole features thingy has made this a bit harder to maintain though, since a change in a targets' configure can add or remove strings...
23:38:18	bluebrother	someone has spare time and motivation around? ;-)
23:38:39	bluebrother	n1s: I bet the order changed between 3.3 and svn ...
23:39:05	n1s	quite possible
23:39:40	n1s	so Bagder did the voices suffer the same problem as the source zip?
23:39:59	Bagder	no...
23:41:40	n1s	hmm
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23:49:20	roolku	pixelma: they are shorter than the normal ones, so there are three sizes now
23:49:39	funman	instead of voting again for a new Rockbox Steering Board, I suggest we could extend the lifetime of the board
23:50:47	funman	4 of the 5 people in the board are still active (I believe Llorean has been replaced by someone else ?), and since the board has not been used since one year, we could safely extend the lifetime instead of bothering with a vote
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23:52:39	gevaerts	not really. The board is only needed in case of serious issues, which means that its legitimacy must be solid. Silently extending its lifetime does not exactly help with that
23:53:30	funman	i must be biased by the fact that i trust the people present in it
23:54:31	gevaerts	so do I, but that's not the point
23:55:37	funman	I understand Bagder's email from July 21st, that he expects other committers to decide how the vote must take place
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23:55:53	funman	(on private committers mailing list)
23:56:16	Bagder	not really _expect_ but I would appreciate if someone else would coordinate it this time
23:58:02	projectbebop	is there a way to shut down a 1g nano using rockbox? mine just reboots and i have to go into the ipod firmware to turn it off
23:58:41	funman	holidays period makes voting a bit difficult, we want everyone to speak
23:58:45	linuxstb	projectbebop: Holding PLAY/PAUSE for a few seconds will shut down. Do you have the USB cable or a charger/dock attached?

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