| 00:00:06 | JdGordon| | if we just do put in your votes and count then 2 weeks is plenty |
| 00:00:16 | JdGordon| | if we do volanteering first then it needs to be longer |
| 00:01:10 | funman | what do you mean by "volanteering" ? |
| 00:02:05 | JdGordon| | last year we first did 2 weeks to give people the opportunity to say they want X person in the running |
| 00:02:20 | JdGordon| | narrowed the field down from the 60+ commiters to a dozen or 2 |
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| 00:03:31 | w1ll14m | goodnight |
| 00:05:11 | funman | i hadn't think about it, i think it's perhaps a simpler way (less persons to choose from) |
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| 00:06:57 | linuxstb | Bagder: Last year, did many people turn down being nominated for the RSB? |
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| 00:07:06 | Bagder | no |
| 00:07:43 | Bagder | I think one did, but I can't recall exactly who now |
| 00:08:10 | JdGordon| | I like the simplest solution... everyone just puts down 5 names, 1 point each... the top 5 win... if any of those say no then it goes tot he next one |
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| 00:08:57 | * | linuxstb would be happy with that |
| 00:09:17 | * | Bagder too |
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| 00:09:40 | * | funman would be happy regardless the option |
| 00:11:08 | JdGordon| | ok so should I kick off the process then? |
| 00:11:27 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: there was this other detail that Bagder mentioned. Who gets to vote? |
| 00:11:50 | sinthetek | i cannot seem to move any pieces in chessbox |
| 00:11:56 | sinthetek | force-move works though |
| 00:11:57 | JdGordon| | I would say anyone on the commiters ml |
| 00:12:01 | Bagder | I think we can make it simple, those who are on the list |
| 00:12:03 | funman | who are the people reading the committers mailing list, but not committers ? |
| 00:12:21 | funman | and the committers not subscribed to the committers mailing list |
| 00:12:28 | JdGordon| | funman: well the svn ml is -cvs and the patch ml is -sf so why should commiters be for what it says? |
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| 00:13:17 | funman | -cvs has an historical meaning and if -sf is a typo for -fs then it means FlySpray |
| 00:13:27 | JdGordon| | both are historical |
| 00:13:33 | JdGordon| | sf is sourceforge :) |
| 00:13:39 | funman | okay :) |
| 00:14:12 | funman | what i mean is if these people are actively contributing to rockbox then we shouldn't deny them the right to vote |
| 00:15:30 | JdGordon| | anyone activly contributing shuold be concidered for more access... |
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| 00:16:01 | JdGordon| | your argument is also to not accept votes for the plenty of previous contributers who we havnt seen in months... |
| 00:16:48 | * | gevaerts proposes "anyone who is either on the committers list or in docs/COMMITTERS" |
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| 00:17:04 | funman | if they are going to vote they will be active again |
| 00:17:07 | JdGordon| | if they arnt on the list they wont see the email |
| 00:17:26 | funman | gevaerts: i agree, but how will people in docs/COMMITTERS but not on the list be aware ? |
| 00:17:53 | gevaerts | why does the mail have to be to the committers ML? It can also go to -dev (or both) |
| 00:18:22 | funman | you're a clever person |
| 00:18:24 | gevaerts | it's not as if the existence of the RSB or the existence of the vote are confidential |
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| 00:21:31 | JdGordon| | grrr |
| 00:22:24 | JdGordon| | putting on -dev means that other people are going to flood it with "why cant i vote" or they just will send names in thiking they can... |
| 00:22:29 | JdGordon| | people the AW... |
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| 00:24:03 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: if people send a mail to you, you need to check anyway |
| 00:24:05 | funman | if the explanation of who can vote is clear enough it wouldn't be the case (not too much) |
| 00:24:45 | JdGordon| | I really cant imagine anyone being in COMMITERS who isnt on that ml but is on -dev |
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| 00:25:54 | gevaerts | I can live with committers only, but I don't know how many people are not on it |
| 00:26:40 | scorche | i would just use committers... |
| 00:27:00 | Bagder | that's what we used last year... |
| 00:27:07 | scorche | right |
| 00:29:32 | JdGordon| | ok, 5 names each, unordered, commiters ml only... everyone happy? |
| 00:30:32 | * | scorche thinks it might be easier with nominations first due to the committers list getting longer, but if that overhead isnt wanted /shrug |
| 00:30:37 | * | funman is happy |
| 00:31:41 | JdGordon| | I really dont think nominations are needed |
| 00:31:46 | * | JdGordon| kicks this thing off |
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| 00:41:16 | pixelma | heh, the new "long" pad is 42 pixels wide for the 112 wide screen...that's more than one third... |
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| 00:42:20 | pixelma | and wider than the graphics for the 132 pixel wide c200 screen |
| 00:45:01 | pixelma | aha, all monochrome screens use the same graphics, so this could be the reason why it's so wide (made for the 160x128 M:Robe100 screen as the width is the same as the other 160x128 graphics) |
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| 00:48:14 | JdGordon| | ok, cast yee votes! |
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| 00:50:59 | AsaelReiter | pixelma: I tried to use same proportions in all files. |
| 00:51:20 | AsaelReiter | pixelma: (140% for the long, 70% for the short) |
| 00:51:41 | pixelma | of the old one? |
| 00:51:48 | AsaelReiter | yes |
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| 00:52:46 | pixelma | I think screen size would matter here too, doesn't it? And I don't know how the old "plain" size was chosen |
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| 00:55:29 | pixelma | if it's too wide, it's not a real power "up" anymore as it is also more likely to catch a "D" or so. But I should get some sleep and will postpone it, it's not critical just something to think about |
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| 00:56:23 | JdGordon| | pixelma: thats not a problem... thats one of the downsides to it... |
| 00:56:28 | JdGordon| | otherwsie tis just silly |
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| 00:56:51 | JdGordon| | I havnt tired it out yet.. does it grow and shrink like normal versions? or just have a set small and big size? |
| 00:57:51 | AsaelReiter | It's just have 3 sizes. |
| 00:59:45 | JdGordon| | any chance of making it grow and shrink? |
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| 01:00:08 | * | JdGordon| has been wanting to do that for years :p |
| 01:00:26 | pixelma | I would just try to make sure it's the same percentage of screen width, and for some reason I think you get different results than now (but can't think about it now and it is also dependent on how the original sizes were chosen). I seem to remember that the standard width on the Archos screens was bigger onve until someone decided it's too hard this way |
| 01:01:08 | pixelma | once too - and I'm off. Good night |
| 01:02:52 | AsaelReiter | JdGordon: I think that it will more complex, but it is possible. |
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| 01:06:50 | AsaelReiter | JdGordon: Actually, the hard part is the glue. We need to deplicate a part of the paddle, and to make it seems good. |
| 01:07:14 | JdGordon| | yeah, I didnt think that would be too hard though |
| 01:07:28 | JdGordon| | you just need a very small middle bit, and 2 small end bits |
| 01:07:36 | JdGordon| | stick them in 1 .bmp and glue in code.. |
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| 01:09:58 | AsaelReiter | JdGordon: Well, My graphicall skills are not bigs, but I can write the code, if you will create the BMPs. |
| 01:10:28 | JdGordon| | oh snap :p |
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| 01:11:21 | JdGordon| | actually, you could possibly do it without editing the bmp's... just define how far from the edge the ends are and how wide a single section of the middle is |
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| 01:11:50 | AsaelReiter | Yes, but it will be ugly. |
| 01:12:05 | JdGordon| | ugly codewise or ugly looking? |
| 01:12:19 | AsaelReiter | ugly looking |
| 01:12:27 | JdGordon| | isnt the middle a regular pattern? |
| 01:13:04 | AsaelReiter | not in the glue paddle |
| 01:13:34 | JdGordon| | stpid glue paddle :p |
| 01:13:47 | JdGordon| | thats the worst powerup in the game :D |
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| 01:16:36 | AsaelReiter | well, if you will make it more regular, I will write the code |
| 01:17:21 | AsaelReiter | Anyway, we need wait to mixelma deciding about the proportions |
| 01:17:24 | JdGordon| | pass :) I have no graphical abolity |
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| 01:19:32 | AsaelReiter | good night. |
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| 03:12:11 | JdGordon | anyone want to guess why my ipod video partially works in my ipod radio dock thingy (only the play button actually), but my mini2g doesnt work at all? |
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| 04:16:24 | manub686 | What is the support for AVRCP in rockbox? |
| 04:20:24 | JdGordon | absent |
| 04:20:38 | JdGordon | wouldnt that require a target with bluetooth? |
| 04:28:21 | manub686 | there are devices on the market that can provide a bluetooth transceiver |
| 04:28:38 | manub686 | and claim to work transparently, once plugged into the, say, ipod dock connector |
| 04:29:13 | manub686 | so i believe apple's firmware has some support for AVRCP through the docking port |
| 04:29:53 | manub686 | http://www.jabra.com/Sites/Jabra/AP-EN/Headsetsupport/Pages/JabraA125s.aspx |
| 04:30:04 | manub686 | that's precisely the bluetooth adapter i'm referring to |
| 04:32:16 | courtc | manub686: Still, that is an adapter.. No bluetooth/avrcp support required in rockbox/ipodlinux. |
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| 04:33:18 | manub686 | courtc: doesn't it require any firmware support to accept control commands on the port? |
| 04:33:40 | courtc | Just AAP support. |
| 04:34:30 | manub686 | what is that? |
| 04:34:48 | courtc | Apple Accessory Protocol |
| 04:37:44 | manub686 | I see, that makes sense |
| 04:38:00 | manub686 | but it still means that the firmware must talk AAP, right? |
| 04:38:28 | JdGordon | which we do partially support |
| 04:39:25 | courtc | As does iPodLinux. (Question was asked there, too.) |
| 04:39:34 | manub686 | :), yes it was |
| 04:40:17 | manub686 | so, if i understand right, it is this adapter module that implements AVRCP |
| 04:40:25 | manub686 | and also AAP |
| 04:40:45 | manub686 | while the device (iPod) is unaware of AVRCP |
| 04:40:56 | courtc | Indeed. |
| 04:41:29 | courtc | Rockbox probably has better support for AAP honestly, I don't remember implementing it in any audio clients. :/ |
| 04:42:28 | manub686 | I see |
| 04:42:30 | manub686 | Do you know any open platform that I can use as the bluetooth adapter? |
| 04:46:58 | courtc | I don't. Also, your requirements are very vague. |
| 04:49:30 | manub686 | I'm trying to read off information from the iPod wirelessly. |
| 04:54:30 | manub686 | Ideally, I would like control of the AAP implementation on both ends |
| 04:54:47 | manub686 | Rockbox will allow me on the iPod end. |
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| 04:56:36 | charlotte2 | Hi, this is my first time here so be gentle, ok? :) I just have one question... |
| 04:57:58 | charlotte2 | I just managed to load Rockbox on my Sansa c240. Can I expect to put in a 16gb microSDHC card, and expect it to play music from the entire card? Like, fill it with music, and have it shuffle? |
| 04:58:32 | JdGordon | yhes |
| 04:58:36 | scorche | well, you would have to tell rockbox to play that mucis and to enable shuffle, but yes |
| 04:58:43 | evilnick_home | charlotte2: Yes, the music on the card will show up in Files, and also in the Database |
| 04:59:39 | charlotte2 | nick: do it put my music in the root dir of the card, or should I create a folder and put my files in there? |
| 04:59:54 | scorche | whatever way you want |
| 04:59:57 | evilnick_home | It's up to you |
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| 05:00:35 | evilnick_home | Mine is in folders within the root directory, like "Artist/Year - Album/Track# - Title" |
| 05:00:39 | charlotte2 | I thought I read somewhere there was a limit as to how many files you could put in a folder or something. I want it to shuffle the entire contents. Can it do that? |
| 05:00:53 | scorche | there is a limit, but you can change that |
| 05:01:17 | scorche | and of course it can shuffle...if you havent read the manual, might i suggest you have a look at that? |
| 05:01:23 | evilnick_home | If you have all your files in one folder then you might have to change the limits per folder, which gives you slightly less memory, and slightly less battery times |
| 05:02:09 | evilnick_home | But it's certainly possible |
| 05:02:16 | charlotte2 | I did read the manual, but I'm not very good at understanding tech writing... I do better to ask people... and no, it's not because I am to lazy to read the manual! |
| 05:03:12 | evilnick_home | charlotte2: At the risk of sounding possibly a little smug; where can we specifically improve the manual? |
| 05:03:22 | charlotte2 | maybe I should ask it this way... what the most efficient way to get it to shuffle through about 12gb of songs? |
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| 05:04:30 | charlotte2 | nick: I think the manual is fine, it's just that I am a newbie, and I didn't see my specific question addressed (and I didn't think it would be!) |
| 05:04:45 | scorche | if it is all in one folder, just enable shuffle and click on something...if it is in multiple folders, make sure recursive adding is enabled, go into the context menu of the folder above it and click insert shuffled.. |
| 05:04:52 | evilnick_home | Add all 12gb to the current playlist (hold select on the folder containing them > Insert) then make sure Shuffle is enabled. Or choose Insert Shuffled from the menu when you held Select on the containin folder. |
| 05:06:12 | charlotte2 | ok, now that I know it's possible, I will buy the card! Didn't want to plunk down the money until I knew it was a least *possible*! :) |
| 05:08:07 | charlotte2 | btw, will it take forever to load 4000 songs (about 12gb worth)? |
| 05:08:35 | scorche | it will take a finite amount of time |
| 05:08:38 | evilnick_home | 10-20 seconds?! |
| 05:08:49 | evilnick_home | It depends on the player though |
| 05:09:08 | charlotte2 | the sansa c240? |
| 05:09:46 | charlotte2 | (in MSC mode, I might add) |
| 05:10:56 | evilnick_home | I don't have that one. But my e280 would typically take about 10 secs to add my ~8GB worth from either the card or the main memory (IIRC) |
| 05:11:47 | charlotte2 | wow, that's faster than I thought! |
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| 05:12:48 | charlotte2 | I should probably tell you I found Rockbox because the guy who sold me the c240 said it would take a 16gb card... which I found it wouldn't without using Rockbox, of course |
| 05:13:10 | evilnick_home | charlotte2: Make sure to enable Directory Cache, that speeds things up. And it's generally a good idea to have your music organised in more folders than just one. |
| 05:13:39 | evilnick_home | Once you start using Rockbox and get used to how to do what you want to do, then you won't want to go back to the OF (Original Firmware) |
| 05:15:04 | charlotte2 | Where do you enable Directory Cache? |
| 05:15:36 | evilnick_home | Have a search for that term in the manual! |
| 05:16:04 | evilnick_home | Settings > General > System > Disk I think |
| 05:16:48 | charlotte2 | will do.... also, it may be just that I haven't found the correct tweaks or EQ settings yet, but I thought the OF *sounded* a little bit better... is that possible? |
| 05:17:58 | scorche | well, it is possible, but not very likely...if you were to objectively measure the results and show me a difference, then i might be inclined to be believe you though... |
| 05:18:22 | scorche | placebo effect is too strong with audio.. |
| 05:18:38 | evilnick_home | I do know that Rockbox takes great pride in outputting the signal as accurately as possible so that the end user can then colour it via EQ or other effects. It might be that the OF deliberately adds extra bass (or whatever) as I know that some of the earlier iPods did this. |
| 05:19:00 | evilnick_home | And also what scorche said |
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| 05:19:35 | charlotte2 | interesting... well, thanks for helping a newbie! I really appreciate it! |
| 05:19:53 | scorche | charlotte2: some people say that rockbox sounds better and others say that the OF sounds better...i tend to believe they are about the same unless something obvious is occuring or i see objective proof either way... |
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| 05:20:53 | courtc | Yes, just do a "goodness of sound" test. |
| 05:21:25 | charlotte2 | oh, one last thing... any tips about putting that 16gb microSDHC card into my c240 for the first time? |
| 05:21:55 | courtc | Shove. Hard. |
| 05:22:30 | courtc | In fact, use a hammer. Sledge preferably. |
| 05:22:45 | evilnick_home | courtc: o_O |
| 05:22:49 | scorche | courtc: well, there are RMAA tests, but this is getting a bit offtopic... |
| 05:23:04 | evilnick_home | charlotte2: Make sure that it's formatted in FAT/FAT32 and you should be fine |
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| 05:23:45 | charlotte2 | nick: does it already come that way? (see, I warned you I'm not technical!) |
| 05:24:09 | evilnick_home | I assume that most will |
| 05:24:34 | charlotte2 | cool |
| 05:24:34 | evilnick_home | I guess it might depend on the brand, though |
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| 05:25:42 | courtc | scorche: as always, I was being sarcastic. I'm sure there are adequate tests, but still "accurate" does not always mean that it sounds good. Something objective in that sense is slightly ridiculous sounding. (See what I did there?) |
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| 05:26:36 | scorche | an RMAA test can show failings in frequency response, extra noise, etc, but yes there is no test for "sounds good" |
| 05:27:51 | BHSPitMonkey | courtc: goodness-of-sound test would probably score low in rockbox. Linux is gooder, remember? |
| 05:28:22 | charlotte2 | ok, I'm already back with a question... I have enabled Directory Cache twice now, and each time it says I need to re-boot for it to take effect, and each time I do and re-check, it is still set to "no" |
| 05:28:45 | scorche | charlotte2: which method are you using to reboot? |
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| 05:29:11 | charlotte2 | just holding the power button down till the machine turns off, then turning it back on |
| 05:29:24 | scorche | how long are you holding it? |
| 05:29:41 | charlotte2 | until the screen and light goes out |
| 05:30:04 | courtc | BHSPitMonkey: heh. |
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| 05:30:31 | evilnick_home | Are other settings (like shuffle, volume) persistent? |
| 05:30:36 | charlotte2 | yes |
| 05:31:59 | Overand | Hmm.\ |
| 05:32:15 | Overand | Do you have to stick "database.ignore" into every subdirectory you want ignores as well? |
| 05:32:22 | evilnick_home | Well, I wish I had one of those players here so I could follow the same steps you're going through, but at least in the short-term it won't make much difference until you get the card as there's only 4GB of space until then |
| 05:32:46 | Overand | Hmmm. |
| 05:32:50 | evilnick_home | Overand: No, but you *can* use database.unignore on subdirectories if you like. It defaults to not including them |
| 05:33:56 | charlotte2 | actually, this is the c240 and it only has 1GB |
| 05:35:20 | evilnick_home | charlotte2: Maybe you should post in the forums about directory cache not staying enabled, if no-one currently around here has the same player? It'd be nice to get this fixed so that you can make the most of the card :) |
| 05:36:52 | charlotte2 | nick: I may try that. Although I only expect to load the card once, and then just let it shuffle its little heart out! Anyway, thanks again. If I have trouble, I'll probably be back! |
| 05:37:50 | evilnick_home | Cool, and we didn't even shout once. |
| 05:38:23 | charlotte2 | LOL! True. I'll be braver next time! ;) G'nite! |
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| 05:40:24 | Overand | Hmm. |
| 05:40:39 | Overand | It didn't seem to work for me- the database.ignore in my HVSC didn't prevent it from getting added |
| 05:42:05 | evilnick_home | Overand: How are you creating that file? |
| 05:42:41 | Overand | evilnick_home: i've got the device mounted with vfat on my linux workstation, and i did 'touch database.ignore' |
| 05:42:44 | Overand | it's a 0 byte file |
| 05:42:59 | Overand | FAT32 filesystem on an Ipod 5th gen 60 gig running rockbox 3.3 release I believe |
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| 05:44:42 | evilnick_home | Did you restart before scanning the database? |
| 05:44:52 | evilnick_home | Sorry, reboot |
| 05:45:06 | Overand | evilnick_home: the file existed before i initialized the database |
| 05:45:15 | Overand | before i booted the device, etc |
| 05:45:24 | Overand | But - let me try wiping out the DB |
| 05:45:36 | evilnick_home | Try Initialize Database |
| 05:45:56 | Overand | That's what I did - but I think there may have been an old database from a while ago |
| 05:46:14 | Overand | ACtually - the device is mounted on my workstation right now, can I delete the database manually? |
| 05:47:24 | evilnick_home | Yeah, delete the database files in .rockbox I think they're all *.tcd or similar |
| 05:47:30 | Overand | yep |
| 05:48:20 | Overand | God I love this software |
| 05:49:14 | Overand | yeah, i;m up to 34,000 entries |
| 05:50:49 | Overand | Huh. |
| 05:50:57 | Overand | It looks like it *scanned* the files, but didn't add them |
| 05:52:07 | Overand | So, that works 'not quite as expected, but well enough' |
| 05:52:53 | evilnick_home | I'm not too familiar with the database, but as long as it's done what you wanted in the end, then all's well that ends well! |
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| 05:53:06 | Overand | aye. |
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| 05:53:14 | Overand | I'm never quiet sure if I want to use that or the file browser |
| 05:54:41 | Overand | Hmm. Also, I'm never quite sure what the right way to name these directories is. |
| 05:56:13 | Overand | Eck. The way my linux system does international characters vs. the way rockbox reads them is not even close. |
| 05:56:26 | Overand | Looks like one does unicode and the other doesn't |
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| 05:58:59 | safetydan | Overand: Rockbox supports unicode, but I believe there's some quirks with the FAT filesystem and Linux |
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| 06:00:09 | Overand | safetydan: That's not surprising in the last. |
| 06:00:13 | Overand | ...least |
| 06:00:25 | Overand | I'm just not sure what the 'right' way to do this is. |
| 06:00:29 | safetydan | I can't remember if you need to mount vfat with iocharset to utf-8 or not |
| 06:00:31 | Overand | Or even how fat32 is 'supposed' to do it |
| 06:00:35 | Overand | safetydan: interesting... |
| 06:01:04 | Overand | I'll try a few options |
| 06:02:07 | Overand | safetydan: that's *exactly* what I needed. |
| 06:02:09 | Overand | THANK you. |
| 06:03:12 | safetydan | Overand: cool. So you needed the iocharset=utf-8? |
| 06:03:14 | Overand | yep. |
| 06:03:21 | Overand | That got it in line with how rockbox is reading it |
| 06:03:29 | safetydan | cool |
| 06:03:29 | Overand | Apparently the default is something entirely different |
| 06:03:47 | Overand | I should get a line in my fstab for this |
| 06:15:54 | Overand | Perfect - fstab line with a UUID and all the options |
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| 07:08:30 | CIA-6 | New commit by kkurbjun (r22061): Reversi: Simplify screen sizing - now supports any resolution. |
| 07:12:17 | pixelma | JdGordon: I'm not sure if the IAP has been tested much on the Minis |
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| 07:52:27 | pixelma | kkurbjun: now the Reversi cells on the Archos screens won't be square anymore (this display has rectangular pixels where the width of each pixel is 80% of its height) |
| 07:52:53 | pixelma | can this be reimplemented somehow with the new logic? |
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| 07:55:05 | pixelma | 6 is not exactly 80% of 8 but it's quite close and looks better |
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| 08:02:11 | iwonder | i don't see a way to set the sensitivity of the scroll wheel for the iPod? |
| 08:04:52 | iwonder | i thought "Scroll Step Size" would change it, but nope |
| 08:05:19 | iwonder | is it supposed to? |
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| 08:09:35 | JdGordon | is there anything in the manual to suggest that is configurable? |
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| 08:31:57 | JdGordon | Zagor: I dunno if this is a new issue or not, but depgen is broken when you change a files #includes.... can the deps for a single file be redone when its changed? |
| 08:33:23 | iwonder | you cannot configure the scrolling sensitivity? |
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| 08:48:27 | * | n1s votes and feels like a good citizen :) |
| 08:50:14 | JdGordon | did you send the vote to the wrong person? or is it just slow? |
| 08:51:06 | iwonder | JdGordon, do you have an ipod? |
| 08:51:27 | JdGordon | 3 in vairuous levels of workingness |
| 08:51:36 | iwonder | how so? |
| 08:52:13 | iwonder | what player do you use the most? |
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| 08:52:40 | JdGordon | #rockbox-community for social talk |
| 08:53:10 | iwonder | thanks |
| 08:53:17 | iwonder | so it means to piss off? :) |
| 08:53:22 | iwonder | you cannot be bothered now |
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| 09:04:46 | n1s | JdGordon: still nothing? |
| 09:04:53 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 09:05:05 | JdGordon | i hope i didnt typo in the email |
| 09:05:13 | JdGordon | fuck, I did |
| 09:05:49 | * | JdGordon is a doofus :p |
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| 09:05:52 | n1s | missing d? |
| 09:05:56 | JdGordon | yep |
| 09:06:12 | n1s | ok i'll try again then |
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| 09:21:09 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r22062): Start of some apps/ and wps cleanup work... Move everything related to the actual drawing of the wps into apps/gui/wps_engine, things related to the ... |
| 09:21:16 | JdGordon | expect red/yellow ... |
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| 09:26:54 | JdGordon | oh crud... forgot about the wps tester app thingy... |
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| 09:34:53 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r22063): hopefully fix the wpseditor... I cant get it to compile on a pre r22062 tree so dunno if this is enough to get it going again |
| 09:42:32 | linuxstb | bertrik: Have you done much work on getting the main Rockbox build working on the Meizu? |
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| 09:43:31 | linuxstb | perfect ;) |
| 09:44:50 | * | n1s wonders what "music_screen" is |
| 09:45:16 | * | linuxstb had the same question typed... |
| 09:48:50 | linuxstb | JdGordon: "wps_screen" ? "playback_screen" ? |
| 09:49:19 | JdGordon | playback screen could work |
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| 09:54:58 | iwonder | is there a way to set the time of Power/Select buttons to switch back to Rockbox firmware? |
| 09:55:35 | iwonder | it takes about 8 seconds of holding down these buttons to switch! |
| 09:55:44 | iwonder | it should be at most half that |
| 09:56:10 | iwonder | i at first thought something was wrong and i would have to reinstall rockbox |
| 09:56:22 | iwonder | 8 seconds is *unreasonable*, 4 seconds isn't |
| 09:56:31 | scorche | iwonder: no |
| 09:56:36 | scorche | talk to apple... |
| 09:57:18 | iwonder | ok, so it's apple's code |
| 09:57:27 | iwonder | i wonder why they thought that |
| 09:57:54 | scorche | of course it is their code...it is in their firmware... |
| 09:58:09 | iwonder | i'd like to send a thought to the the person/s who thought 8 seconds was a good number to change it |
| 09:59:25 | iwonder | ok, so what about the ipod's mouse wheel sensitivity.. it moves with the slightest of finger movement, and jumps around when i hit select, selecting the one up or down 1 to the option i intended |
| 09:59:49 | iwonder | it is.. a bit annoying |
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| 10:00:07 | scorche | then dont put your whole finger on select and instead press it with your tip... |
| 10:01:42 | iwonder | but this code could be done in rockbox? |
| 10:01:51 | iwonder | i mean, it's technically feasible, right? |
| 10:02:10 | scorche | rockbox isnt going to prevent you from pushing other things at the same time as the select button, no |
| 10:02:51 | iwonder | don't disguise my intention and try to turn the fault on me |
| 10:03:14 | iwonder | it just could be done better |
| 10:03:19 | scorche | then stop pressing other things at the same time as the select button.. |
| 10:03:49 | scorche | it could be, perhaps, but hardware design ended a while ago.. |
| 10:04:05 | iwonder | i wonder why they didn't think of that |
| 10:04:22 | iwonder | that one is glaringly obvious that the mouse wheel is too sensitive |
| 10:04:31 | iwonder | for many people, i'm sure |
| 10:04:36 | iwonder | i'm not unnormal in my finger strokes |
| 10:04:43 | iwonder | just an average joe |
| 10:04:48 | iwonder | 's fingers :) |
| 10:05:40 | iwonder | it just means i have to be more attentive & delicate to selecting, |
| 10:05:44 | iwonder | a nuisance i could do without |
| 10:06:22 | iwonder | it's kind of like your computer mouse sometimes moving a little to the left or right to miss the button you intended to click on |
| 10:07:04 | iwonder | now, you could slow down your mouse movement to make sure it doesn't do this, but the more you rely on fast speed movements to get repetive things done, the more this is going to tend to annoy you |
| 10:08:05 | iwonder | or, even more critical perhaps, having your car's steering wheel move too far left or right when you intend to make a average right or left |
| 10:08:09 | iwonder | leaving you in the ditch |
| 10:08:18 | iwonder | or even worse, dead |
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| 10:10:03 | iwonder | and having to *always* be attentive to this sensitivity whenever you are using it (where ordinarily you never would & could put much more attention on the things that matter more) increases the annoyance level by that degree |
| 10:10:46 | iwonder | especially in complex tasks that require your attention elsewhere, but instead have to put more attention on subconscious actions that *should* be trivial |
| 10:11:01 | iwonder | and you just want tthe fu*ker to *work* |
| 10:11:08 | iwonder | (if you know what I mean :) |
| 10:12:00 | iwonder | to do the job it was meant for |
| 10:12:08 | * | iwonder sighs :Oo |
| 10:12:29 | iwonder | .rant done. :) |
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| 10:14:58 | n1s | iwonder: patches are welcome but keep in mind these UI things tend to become neverending discussions where everyone thinks their preference is the best |
| 10:15:20 | iwonder | ..and if it's annoying enough to happen to great enough frequency, and you are already heavily stressed from complex demands on you, you might just do something very nasty or smash it on the ground a few dozen times :) |
| 10:15:39 | scorche|sh | exit |
| 10:15:45 | scorche|sh | oops.. |
| 10:15:55 | rasher | Ipod hardware design flaws are not on topic for this channel. |
| 10:15:58 | iwonder | ..hurting the innocent, while the annoyance never ceases |
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| 10:17:55 | iwonder | this is something doable in software, as others have noted here |
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| 10:18:27 | iwonder | n1s, thanks |
| 10:18:35 | iwonder | that reply was certainly helpful |
| 10:18:47 | iwonder | i'm sure you understand my intention clearly |
| 10:19:06 | iwonder | and have been annoyed similarly with the iPod's mouse wheel |
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| 10:20:54 | scorche | no one else has said or even "noted" that this is "doable" in software...if you are referring to n1s, he simply mentioned that patches are welcome...not necessarily that it would do anything |
| 10:21:49 | danny | Hello, im newly registered twiki contibutor. Is there anyone that can give me write permission to twiki? |
| 10:22:04 | iwonder | i learned something again here - twice: don't waste my breath |
| 10:22:07 | linuxstb | iwonder: You must have abnormal fingers, as no-one else has complained. When the current version of the clickwheel (where's the mouse?) driver was being developed, there were some settings to control it, but that was removed as no-one thought it was needed. See http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7738 for the development discussion. |
| 10:22:58 | iwonder | actually "waste of time" is a bit more accurate |
| 10:23:11 | scorche | danny: sure...could i please have your wikiname?...also, out of curiousity, what were you intending to modify? |
| 10:23:16 | iwonder | that and loss of energy & attention on things i can do to *tangibly* benefit my life & others |
| 10:23:21 | iwonder | anyway. enough. |
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| 10:25:29 | BdN3504 | i am writing a small part for the manual right now and have some minor difficulties. i have a \note{} section under a paragraph. i created a newline before it so it's paragraph, one free line and then the note |
| 10:25:39 | danny | My name is DanielKluz. ah yes. Im gonna modify useful tools. One RB expert suggested me to do this :) |
| 10:25:45 | BdN3504 | but when i compile, the note comes directly after the text |
| 10:25:58 | BdN3504 | is there a tag i can force a new line with? |
| 10:26:43 | scorche | danny: go forth and spam not! ;) |
| 10:27:29 | BdN3504 | what could be the problem? |
| 10:28:36 | danny | Ehm, what about permission? |
| 10:29:21 | scorche | danny: as in, you should be able to edit now.. |
| 10:30:34 | danny | Oh thanks a lot. no more spam... ya ya |
| 10:33:00 | BdN3504 | please, somebody help... how do i force a new line in the manual? i'm looking for something like <br> in html, is there any equivalent? cr doesn't do anything |
| 10:35:19 | linuxstb | BdN3504: You have a completely empty line between the paragraph and the note? |
| 10:35:27 | BdN3504 | yes |
| 10:35:55 | BdN3504 | or wait, let me check if there's a space in there |
| 10:36:51 | BdN3504 | double checked, it's completely empty |
| 10:38:21 | BdN3504 | can i post a link and you have a look at it? |
| 10:38:55 | linuxstb | Yes, post a link, but I can't help. Maybe other can, but be patient, not everyone is always in front of IRC. |
| 10:39:30 | BdN3504 | ty |
| 10:39:32 | BdN3504 | http://pastebin.com/d37a33585 |
| 10:39:35 | linuxstb | But if I was you, I would look for similar code in the manual, and look for what makes your code different. |
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| 10:45:55 | BdN3504 | already done that, unfortunaltey i can't find any evidence to what is different. |
| 10:51:44 | linuxstb | BdN3504: Something must be different. You could try duplicating an existing plugin's description (not changing anything), and see if that works. Then change things slowly... |
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| 10:55:37 | mcuelenaere | mt: have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20090726#15:49:00 ? |
| 10:58:14 | mt | mcuelenaere: For files with rm/ra extension we assume it's cook. The parser then checks for the codec, if it's cook then the assumption was correct otherwise the codec is set to the correct value. |
| 10:58:44 | mt | mcuelenaere: It works fine on my e250. |
| 10:58:54 | mcuelenaere | mt: try putting a .rmvb file on it |
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| 11:00:18 | mt | mcuelenaere: Currently, it doesn't handle rmvb files. |
| 11:00:38 | mcuelenaere | mt: I know, but it shouldn't crash when those are present :) |
| 11:00:53 | mcuelenaere | If you have either tagcache on or view the properties of the file, it crashes |
| 11:01:47 | mt | Oh, I see. Will work on that. |
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| 11:02:54 | mt | Should the codec play audio streams in video files ? |
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| 11:03:45 | linuxstb | mt: It could be nice, if it's possible to do easily. I think the mp4 (aac) codec can do that, but just by accident (it was never intended as far as I know). |
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| 11:05:04 | mt | linuxstb: I will see if this could be done then, and work on handling .rmvb files, before working on a new codec. |
| 11:05:30 | linuxstb | What are rmvb files? |
| 11:08:27 | mt | linuxstb: for variable bitrate content : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMVB |
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| 11:11:14 | linuxstb | mt: That article seems to be saying there are no open source implementations. Plus it also seems to be only used for videos? |
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| 11:14:17 | mt | linuxstb: Yes, I have never seen them for audio only. Anyway, I wasn't talking about playing them .. but /me thinks again :) |
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| 11:19:10 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Rockbox doesn't just ignore .rmvb files, as the extension is unknown? Or the problem is that NULL list of extensions (meaning it will crash on any unknown extension)? |
| 11:19:48 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: yes, probably. I only tested it with .rmvb extensions though |
| 11:20:34 | linuxstb | I've no idea how that code works though - it seems that extensions aren't duplicated across files (e.g. speex can be in .ogg, but it's not specified there). |
| 11:20:43 | linuxstb | s/files/codecs/ |
| 11:20:57 | linuxstb | Similarly, alac can be in mp4, and aac can be m4a/m4b... |
| 11:22:50 | mcuelenaere | but can the Rockbox metadata parsers handle that? |
| 11:23:08 | linuxstb | Handle what? |
| 11:23:09 | mt | mcuelenaere: How did you test it with rmvb extensions ? (did you add rmvb to cook's ext list or something like that?) |
| 11:23:32 | mcuelenaere | no, I just had a rmvb file on my player and tagcache is on by default; so it crashed on startup |
| 11:23:41 | mcuelenaere | it has the same behaviour when viewing the properties of the file |
| 11:24:41 | mt | mcuelenaere: Mine didn't crash when viewing the properties of an rmvb file. |
| 11:25:21 | * | mcuelenaere compiles an e200 sim |
| 11:25:33 | linuxstb | mt: Are you using a sim, or a real target? |
| 11:25:41 | mt | linuxstb: real target. |
| 11:25:44 | mcuelenaere | it should crash on both, it tries to access address 0 |
| 11:26:08 | linuxstb | Accessing address 0 shouldn't be a problem on ARM targets - there's always memory there. |
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| 11:26:26 | mcuelenaere | ah but it's a bug though |
| 11:26:38 | mcuelenaere | mt: try a sim then |
| 11:26:45 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Oh yes, it's definitely a bug. |
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| 11:28:02 | mcuelenaere | huh? I can't get it to crash on a e200 sim? |
| 11:28:23 | mcuelenaere | oh wait, I patched my local tree :) |
| 11:29:07 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: And yes, I think adding the Cook list of extensions to RAAC is the right fix. |
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| 11:29:58 | mcuelenaere | I'm not sure how that infrastructure works, but couldn't that list contain only the parsers which then provide the right codecs? |
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| 11:33:20 | mt | mcuelenaere: The codec is determined according to the file's extension, then the corresponding metadata parser is called, if that's what you're asking ? |
| 11:34:41 | linuxstb | Well, the metadata parsers are related to containers, not codecs. But they are called, based on the (at first, guessed) codec. It's not perfectly logical, but works fine. |
| 11:35:19 | mcuelenaere | mt: yeah sure, but now audio_formats[AFMT_NUM_CODECS] is going to contain two lines for one type of files (rm/ra) |
| 11:35:26 | mcuelenaere | two entries* |
| 11:37:00 | linuxstb | mt: I think you should add a "case AFMT_RAAC:" next to the "case AFMT_COOK:" in get_metadata(). I'm not sure if it's actually needed, but it may be. |
| 11:37:02 | mt | linuxstb: That's what I meant :) |
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| 11:37:40 | * | mcuelenaere also just spotted that :) |
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| 11:38:26 | mt | How's that related to the rmvb problem ? |
| 11:38:31 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: The AFMT variable is used to load the codec (i.e. the .codec file), so needs to be specific. Whilst an explicit container abstraction may be nice, I don't think it's needed. |
| 11:40:11 | linuxstb | mt: The problem is that you have a NULL list of filetypes, which isn't expected. So probe_file_format() dereferences that NULL pointer, causing problems in the sim (and I expect some targets, but not ARM). |
| 11:40:11 | linuxstb | s/filetypes/extensions/. |
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| 11:40:48 | linuxstb | mt: Also, maybe something like "AFMT_RM_COOK" and "AFMT_RM_AAC" would be clearer? |
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| 11:43:07 | mt | linuxstb: Sure. |
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| 11:49:24 | mt | linuxstb: Isn't probe_file_format() called only once when a file is opened ? |
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| 11:53:02 | Jaykay | linuxstb: would a client in a vmware-image be useful for the build system? |
| 11:53:13 | Jaykay | i guess it's slower than "real" clients... |
| 11:55:17 | n1s | Jaykay: well, it depends on how fast it is even if it's slower than a native client would be on the same machine it could well be faster than other clients |
| 11:57:18 | Jaykay | now i have a q6600 (4x2,4ghz) and soon i will have a X$ 955 (4x3,2ghz) |
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| 11:57:55 | Jaykay | i don't now how much vmware slows this down |
| 11:59:51 | mt | mcuelenaere: Which target sim did it crash on ? |
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| 12:00:14 | linuxstb | mt: I would guess it would crash on any sim. |
| 12:01:08 | n1s | Jaykay: i think that would still be faster than several of the current clients |
| 12:01:31 | Jaykay | ok, i'll try to get the image working again |
| 12:15:28 | mcuelenaere | mt: Onda VX747 (target & sim), but it should crash on all sims |
| 12:16:37 | mt | Yes, just tested on a iaudio x5. |
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| 12:28:09 | mt | mcuelenaere: I still can't see how is this related to raac having null ext list. Rockbox would crash on viewing the properties of any unsupported file type. |
| 12:28:55 | mcuelenaere | no it doesn't? If you change the NULL pointer to a string it stops crashing |
| 12:29:32 | mt | mcuelenaere: I just tested on a fake empty file and it crashed. |
| 12:29:50 | mcuelenaere | mt: what's it named? |
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| 12:30:11 | mt | mcuelenaere: It's just a text file I created with a made-up extension. |
| 12:30:14 | linuxstb | mt: Have you tried the suggested fix? |
| 12:32:09 | mcuelenaere | mt: it doesn't crash here.. (filename = blah.bleh) |
| 12:32:58 | mt | mcuelenaere: yes yes, my mistake. :) (just figured when it does actually tried to dereference this null pointer) |
| 12:33:16 | mcuelenaere | try running gdb ./rockboxui ;) |
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| 12:41:03 | mt | Just tried playing a rmvb file and it worked. (It's audio only though, I'll see what happens with files with video streams) |
| 12:41:56 | mcuelenaere | cool :) |
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| 12:54:43 | kugel | hrm. mot sure if i like the new naming scheme of wps&music screen |
| 12:56:18 | linuxstb | kugel: No, "music screen" is a terrible name... JdGordon's been told though. |
| 12:57:28 | kugel | not only that |
| 12:58:57 | linuxstb | What else? |
| 12:59:10 | kugel | it seems we now call the internal stuff "wps", and the screen that uses this internal stuff not anymore. that's contrary to what we do in the manual and here |
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| 13:02:54 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what you mean, isn't the problem just the fact that the WPS is now in a file called music_screen ? |
| 13:03:39 | kugel | That's what I meant, yes |
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| 13:05:19 | linuxstb | OK, then I think we all agree... |
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| 13:08:21 | kugel | but I think playback_screen.c isn't any better. I think music_screen.c should be wps.c, and the stuff in wps/ (and wps/ itself) should be renamed to something that doesn't imply it's bound to out good-old "while playling screen" |
| 13:09:42 | kugel | our* |
| 13:10:26 | linuxstb | Such as? |
| 13:11:23 | linuxstb | I think everyone would agree with that, but when it was discussed (only briefly though), no-one came up with any ideas. |
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| 13:17:38 | kugel | yea, I'm lacking an idea also :p |
| 13:20:41 | kugel | cgui, maybe? for configurable gui which is what the wps is (and a possible while radio screen also) |
| 13:28:17 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22064): Fix compilation of the standalone test program. |
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| 13:36:29 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22065): Fix a bug spotted by Maurus Cuelenaere; rockbox crashed on viewing the porperties of files with unsupported extensions due to the null ext list in ... |
| 13:41:26 | linuxstb | mt: What do you think about using AFMT_RM_COOK and AFMT_RM_AAC instead of AFMT_COOK and AFMT_RAAC? |
| 13:43:11 | mcuelenaere | mt: is cook able to handle multichannel files? |
| 13:44:46 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Yes, but IIRC, there's one such sample in existence (according to the ffmpeg devs), and the Rockbox cook decoder doesn't support it. |
| 13:45:13 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: you mean multichannel.rmvb ? |
| 13:45:25 | linuxstb | I mean multichannel cook. |
| 13:47:17 | mcuelenaere | yes, but you said according to ffmpeg there's only one such sample; do they mean http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/real/AC-cook/multichannel.rmvb ? |
| 13:47:42 | mcuelenaere | (as that's the one I'm trying) |
| 13:47:43 | linuxstb | I guess so. But from mt's commit, it seems rmvb == rm (for audio-only files at least). |
| 13:48:04 | mt | linuxstb: I like this naming scheme , since I really hated referring to a file format as cook. :) |
| 13:48:12 | mt | Working on that now. |
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| 13:49:12 | mcuelenaere | I'm getting a 'FAAD: decode error 'Maximum number of scalefactor bands exceeded'' error when trying a random rmvb downloaded from the net; I suppose that's the AAC codec complaining? |
| 13:50:13 | linuxstb | mt: AAC and ALAC could possibly be changed to AFMT_MP4_AAC and AFMT_MP4_ALAC at the same time... |
| 13:50:29 | mt | mcuelenaere: Yes, could you send me a link to this sample ? |
| 13:51:13 | mcuelenaere | mt: it's a RS one, I can upload it somewhere else if you want to. http://rs19.rapidshare.com/files/133905305/Hancock.Sample.rmvb_up_dla_www.exsite.pl.rmvb |
| 13:51:57 | mt | mcuelenaere: This file has video streams in it ? |
| 13:52:03 | mcuelenaere | yes |
| 13:52:19 | mcuelenaere | oh does it only work with audio streams in it? |
| 13:52:33 | mcuelenaere | with only audio streams in it* |
| 13:52:40 | mt | Yes. :) |
| 13:52:46 | mcuelenaere | ok my bad :) |
| 13:53:21 | mt | linuxstb: Sure. |
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| 14:05:22 | linuxstb | mt: BTW, the "cook" and "aac" in "enum codecs{cook, aac};" in librm/rm.h should be in upper-case - see docs/CONTRIBUTING |
| 14:05:54 | mt | Oops, missed that. |
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| 14:07:02 | linuxstb | mt: I would probably also add a prefix to them - something like CODEC_AAC and CODEC_COOK |
| 14:07:47 | kugel | linuxstb: what do you think of the "cgui" idea? |
| 14:09:03 | linuxstb | kugel: Sorry, I don't like it... "gui" is more generic than just what's being displayed in the WPS. |
| 14:09:16 | linuxstb | And it's not always graphical... |
| 14:10:13 | kugel | it's not always graphical? |
| 14:10:21 | linuxstb | Charcell |
| 14:10:28 | kugel | omg... |
| 14:10:54 | kugel | stupid charcell |
| 14:11:00 | linuxstb | Huh? |
| 14:12:01 | kugel | iirc even charcell has a progressbar |
| 14:12:18 | linuxstb | But anyway, my main point is that "gui" is a very generic term. |
| 14:13:03 | kugel | hence the c prefix |
| 14:13:24 | kugel | we are already in the gui folder, i.e. it would be apps/gui/cgui |
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| 14:14:53 | kugel | you basically seem to be questioning the parent folder |
| 14:15:45 | dionoea | just call it "information display engine" or such a generic name. That way everything fits :) |
| 14:17:03 | dionoea | of course that wouldn't work if wps are able to define buttons or such things in the future (since it implies a one way information transfer) |
| 14:18:18 | * | linuxstb thinks there is no rush, so we should give people time to come up with ideas |
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| 14:19:43 | kugel | once things are set they hardly change |
| 14:19:58 | linuxstb | Exactly... |
| 14:20:07 | kugel | and only giving a thing time makes people think they're set |
| 14:21:24 | mcuelenaere | dionoea: that's already (partly) possible on touchscreen targets; you can assign actions to certain areas |
| 14:21:42 | kugel | I mean, if we don't change it now, and we give people just a week or two, I doub it'll change ever |
| 14:21:56 | dionoea | oh, neat :) And the wps defines actions like play/pause/skip/... ? |
| 14:23:15 | dionoea | in terms of what other applications call it it would be "skin engine", but that doesn't to fit well in the rockbox framework (since you can modify the appearance of stuff other than the wps) |
| 14:23:30 | linuxstb | kugel: If it doesn't change, then it's because people don't think it's important. In which case, it isn't... |
| 14:23:50 | mcuelenaere | dionoea: yep, something like that :) see rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWps for more details |
| 14:23:52 | kugel | I think it's important |
| 14:24:21 | linuxstb | kugel: Then I'm sure you'll make sure it's not forgotten - so what's the problem? |
| 14:26:40 | kugel | making sure it's not forgotten is easy, coming up with an idea that overcomes picky-ness isn't so |
| 14:27:36 | aaron424 | linuxstb: someone said to ask you how to boot to the OF on a m200 v4 |
| 14:28:01 | kugel | dionoea: in this particular case it's only about the underlying stuff of the configurability of the wps (it's been split up to allow for other screens like the radio to hook into that underlying stuff) |
| 14:28:13 | kugel | skin engine works, imo |
| 14:28:32 | linuxstb | Yes, skin is good. |
| 14:29:08 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22067): Change enum codecs in apps/codecs/librm/rm.h to follow the coding guidelines. |
| 14:32:55 | linuxstb | aaron424: Sorry, I have no idea, apart from reading the source code in dualboot.S |
| 14:33:53 | aaron424 | linuxstb: someone said you wrote the bootloader. I guess not. Do you know who it was? (funman comes to mind) |
| 14:34:38 | linuxstb | I worked on it yes, and so did funman. But I don't have an m200v4, and I don't think funman does either. |
| 14:34:59 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: what's the difference between wps_engine/gwps.h and wps_engine/wps_internals.h ? |
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| 14:42:19 | kugel | aaron424: domonoky has a m200v4, IIRC bootling the OF was to flip hold |
| 14:42:45 | aaron424 | after pressing power? |
| 14:43:01 | aaron424 | otherwise it just says system lock, shutdown |
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| 14:43:31 | kugel | let me look at the code |
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| 14:44:18 | kugel | aaron424: try the left button |
| 14:47:56 | aaron424 | kugel: that does not work |
| 14:48:19 | aaron424 | it doesn't even display anything, or say that it can't find the OF file |
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| 14:50:22 | aaron424 | perhaps I am not timing it right, the boot sequence is really fast |
| 14:51:12 | kugel | holding |<< before turning on should work |
| 14:51:22 | Grahack | Hi, is there a diagram showing rockbox devs activity (commits)? I'd like to show a friend how much active this project is. |
| 14:52:07 | kugel | aaron424: how old is your bootloader? |
| 14:52:23 | kugel | Grahack: try ohloh.net |
| 14:52:28 | aaron424 | kugel: I found some text. It says something about the version, the checksum and then says loading rockbox.sansa |
| 14:55:32 | kugel | aaron424: damnit, I had the m200v4 in my hands at the devcon and did some dualboot, but I just can't remember the combo :( |
| 14:55:49 | kugel | or rather, the key |
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| 15:02:51 | linuxstb | Grahack: Not a picture, but it gets the point across - http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html |
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| 15:05:15 | aaron424 | kugel: two weeks old, installed it on the 12th |
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| 15:07:58 | Grahack | mmf, it seems that ohloh only displays commits by registered devs, but it's better than nothing. BTW, there is no 3.3 announcement. |
| 15:08:24 | Grahack | kugel and linuxstb: thanks for your answers |
| 15:09:00 | teru | I'd like to commit FS #10187. shoud i add BdN3504's name to docs/CREDITS or is he already added? |
| 15:12:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | teru: Check docs/CREDITS and see if he's there already (IIRC his name is David Kaufmann). |
| 15:12:37 | linuxstb | teru: I am not sure about that plugin - because it isn't perfect, it may cause more problems than it solves. For example, will it delete fonts from rockbox-fonts.zip ? |
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| 15:13:56 | teru | LambdaCalculus37: ah thanks. he doesn't seem to be there.. |
| 15:15:14 | teru | linuxstb: it will delete those. one solution would be adding dummy config to somewhere. |
| 15:21:39 | linuxstb | teru: Are there any other problems you are aware of? The manual entry says "The changes done to the files could break another theme.", which isn't good. |
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| 15:24:55 | kkurbjun | pixelma, I knew that the archos devices would end up with slightly different calculations, but I think that a generic calculation is far better in terms of maintainability than hard coded values for every screen supported |
| 15:26:07 | kkurbjun | the problem is that there is nothing that allows us to infer that the individual pixels are a different height/width |
| 15:26:54 | domonoky | aaron424, kugel: booting the OF on m200v4 is "hold left" while booting. the hold switch is needed if you want to force it into MSC Mode. |
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| 15:27:21 | domonoky | so best put in on hold, and press and hold "left" then use menu to turn it on. |
| 15:27:41 | CIA-6 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r22068): Touchscreen targets: add basic progress bar & volume handling |
| 15:28:23 | mcuelenaere | domonoky: have you seen FS #10456 ? |
| 15:28:40 | aaron424 | domonoky: the menu button does not turn it on when the left button is held |
| 15:29:32 | domonoky | mcuelenaere: i have seen it, but didnt look at the code till now. ( me was in holidays) |
| 15:30:57 | mcuelenaere | domonoky: ok, if you have some time could you take a look at it? I'm not sure whether my approach of showing messages from chinachip.c to main RBUtility is fully correct |
| 15:31:09 | domonoky | aaron424: works for me, you have to hold menu for a few seconds. |
| 15:31:15 | aaron424 | okay |
| 15:34:10 | aaron424 | so turn on the hold switch, press left and hold menu for a few seconds? |
| 15:34:21 | teru | linuxstb: one thing i aware of is about removing default theme. |
| 15:34:40 | teru | if someone tried to remove cabbiev2 while using the theme, option "Remove if not used" won't work as those default settings are not stored config.cfg. |
| 15:34:53 | linuxstb | teru: Why is that a problem? Isn't there a cabbiev2.cfg file? |
| 15:35:13 | linuxstb | Ah, I see. |
| 15:35:23 | domonoky | aaron424: yes, at least that works for me. |
| 15:35:51 | linuxstb | teru: I think you could read that information from the global_settings struct. |
| 15:36:08 | aaron424 | domonoky: now after holding a few seconds, the OF "locked" screen comes up. If I let go of any of the buttons it shuts down again.d |
| 15:36:41 | teru | maybe. |
| 15:37:08 | domonoky | mcuelenaere: looks fine. a few remarks: you should connect the downloadDone() signal before you start the downloading, and converting the QStrings in the patching call is better be done with ".toLocal8Bit()". |
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| 15:38:33 | linuxstb | domonoky: People have been asking about 7zip support in rbutil. Do you know how much work that would be (for changing the main Rockbox zip files to .7z) |
| 15:38:36 | domonoky | aaron424: same for me, maybe that depends on the OF version :-) |
| 15:38:52 | aaron424 | so just plug it in right then? |
| 15:40:35 | domonoky | ah, yes. instead of menu, plug-in the usb cable, then you get MSC mode |
| 15:40:50 | mcuelenaere | domonoky: when running chinachip_patch(), the messages that get passed to the info() & err() calls don't show up till after the chinachip_patch() call returns; doesn't installStage2() run in another thread? |
| 15:41:35 | domonoky | linuxstb: shouldnt be too hard, we just need to include a 7zip lib instead of zlib. |
| 15:43:46 | domonoky | mcuelenaere: no, you need to call QCoreApplication::processEvents(); after emiting the logitem |
| 15:44:00 | Unhelpful | linuxstb: uploading 7z files would speed uploads slightly, too. i believe a week or so ago the possibility was discussed of uploading 7z and converting to zip on the server. |
| 15:44:23 | linuxstb | domonoky: Are you interested in doing it? |
| 15:44:34 | mcuelenaere | ah yes, that fixes it :) |
| 15:45:53 | domonoky | linuxstb: not really, i am missing time for that. |
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| 16:19:52 | webguest31 | ChanServ: Rockbox 3.3 supports aac playback on iPod, right? Because when I try to play .m4a files it just skips them. Any ideas? |
| 16:20:27 | evilnick | webguest31: Which model iPod? |
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| 16:21:29 | webguest31 | 5.5 Gen, I think. The last one out before Classic, 80 GB hard drive. |
| 16:21:52 | Torne | are they very very long, by any chance? |
| 16:21:59 | Torne | audiobooks/etc? |
| 16:22:17 | webguest31 | No. Just normal songs. |
| 16:22:21 | Torne | should work, then |
| 16:22:30 | Torne | very very long aac files don't work |
| 16:22:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest31: How were they encoded? |
| 16:23:53 | webguest31 | How should I check? "file" gives the following: 01 Prologue.m4a: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2 |
| 16:24:51 | webguest31 | mplayer says this while trying to play: |
| 16:24:53 | webguest31 | Forced audio codec: madOpening audio decoder: [faad] AAC (MPEG2/4 Advanced Audio Coding)AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 124.8 kbit/8.84% (ratio: 15595->176400)Selected audio codec: [faad] afm: faad (FAAD AAC (MPEG-2/MPEG-4 Audio) decoder) |
| 16:25:02 | webguest31 | Gah... line breaks... |
| 16:25:11 | webguest31 | Forced audio codec: mad |
| 16:25:18 | webguest31 | Opening audio decoder: [faad] AAC (MPEG2/4 Advanced Audio Coding) |
| 16:25:24 | webguest31 | AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 124.8 kbit/8.84% (ratio: 15595->176400) |
| 16:25:27 | linuxstb | It's OK, we can work that out... |
| 16:25:29 | webguest31 | Selected audio codec: [faad] afm: faad (FAAD AAC (MPEG-2/MPEG-4 Audio) decoder) |
| 16:25:46 | webguest31 | Thanks. |
| 16:27:09 | linuxstb | Rockbox only supports mp4 files "optimised for streaming" (i.e. with the metadata at the start, not the end). I don't know how to test for that though, or fix it... |
| 16:27:59 | webguest31 | Ah. |
| 16:29:35 | webguest31 | The manual makes no mention of this caveat here (as far as I can see). |
| 16:29:36 | webguest31 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildap1.html#x16-317000A |
| 16:30:11 | webguest31 | Should that be mentioned somewhere or fixed? |
| 16:31:13 | Torne | fixing it is a known problem which also ties into the inability to play very long m4a's |
| 16:31:28 | Torne | it might be good to document it but only if we can suggest some useful way to check/fix such files |
| 16:31:38 | Torne | the vast majority of m4a's do work, afaik |
| 16:31:57 | Torne | every single one i've ever tried does, other than audiobooks that may be a couple dozen hours long :) |
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| 16:33:48 | linuxstb | webguest31: There is a little info here - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6748.0 (and I expect in other forum threads if you search) |
| 16:34:00 | linuxstb | (and yes, it really is a 2.5 year old problem...) |
| 16:34:46 | linuxstb | Or here - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22282.0 |
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| 16:49:11 | Wizzup | I am trying to install Rockbox on my iPod Mini 2nd Gen, Ubuntu 9.04, and I am running the install utility as root. It still tells me it can't open the iPod. I set the correct path, and mounted correctly |
| 16:49:18 | Wizzup | What could be wrong? |
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| 16:50:33 | Wizzup | http://wizzup.pastebin.com/d327160cd <−− That is the output |
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| 16:51:42 | Wizzup | I used the browse option, and it works now. |
| 16:51:49 | Wizzup | But just filling in a path did not work, somehow? |
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| 16:55:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Wizzup: What is the mount point of your iPod? |
| 16:55:48 | martian67 | Wizzup, if you are confident, installing manually is not too hard |
| 16:56:21 | * | martian67 hasnt updated his bootloader for a good two years, and is unsure if a good guide still exists :/ |
| 16:56:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | martian67: Shame on you! :) |
| 16:56:47 | linuxstb | martian67: The "manual" instructions should still be in the Rockbox manual. |
| 16:56:57 | Wizzup | I succeeded by using the browser rather than typing my own path. The mount point etc was fine :) |
| 16:57:00 | martian67 | LambdaCalculus37, what? am i missing something :D? |
| 16:57:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | martian67: Probably plenty of updates, for one. :) |
| 16:57:39 | martian67 | LambdaCalculus37, ive updated rockbox itself lots |
| 16:57:51 | martian67 | im wondering if im missing anything worthwhile from the bootloader |
| 16:57:53 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: That depends what device martian67 has - lots of bootloaders haven't changed in that time... |
| 16:57:59 | martian67 | seems it would be a pretty static thing to me |
| 16:58:32 | martian67 | i mean not a lot of room for change in a bootloader ;) |
| 16:59:19 | dionoea | there were dual core related changes in the ipod bootload a few years ago if I remember correctly |
| 16:59:27 | linuxstb | martian67: What device are you using Rockbox on? |
| 16:59:38 | martian67 | ipod 5.5 |
| 16:59:56 | martian67 | my bootloader is from when rockbox was still "unoffical" on that target |
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| 17:00:40 | linuxstb | If it works, then there's no real reason to change. But I think it got prettier during the last release (October 2008). |
| 17:01:29 | linuxstb | (it matches the cabbiev2 theme, and also shows a logo instead of text unless there is an error) |
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| 17:24:15 | JdGordon | mcuelenaere: gwps.h might be removable... its veyr possible i forgot to rm it |
| 17:24:49 | mcuelenaere | when diff'ing it against wps-internals.h, there are not much differences |
| 17:24:58 | mcuelenaere | wps_internals.h |
| 17:25:47 | JdGordon | gwps.h I tihnk is removed everywhere so it could be deleted |
| 17:26:04 | * | mcuelenaere leaves that to JdGordon |
| 17:26:29 | JdGordon | kugel: the engine needs to be named small... wps works.. I'm not against the name playback_screen for the actual screen, thats fine being reaosnably long because its barely used |
| 17:26:33 | JdGordon | cgui just looks odd |
| 17:26:53 | mcuelenaere | skin engine -> se |
| 17:27:06 | mcuelenaere | (or screen skin engine -> sse?) |
| 17:27:38 | JdGordon | well... to be honest, wps is just as obscure as that, but everyone knows that acronym already |
| 17:27:47 | JdGordon | whats this new touchscreen commit you did? |
| 17:28:55 | JdGordon | ohh... diff looks nice :) |
| 17:29:41 | mcuelenaere | it adds seeking and volume changing capability |
| 17:29:58 | * | mcuelenaere isn't sure whether seeking is done properly though |
| 17:31:06 | JdGordon | it doesnt look obviously wrong :) |
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| 17:47:36 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r22069): this file isnt used anymore and should have been removed with the rest of the cleanup |
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| 17:57:34 | Hillshum | In setting up this ppc machine to be a build client, how should I add powerpc to rbclient.pl? |
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| 17:58:36 | JdGordon | unless its changed recently, I dont tihnk that is actually used for anything yet |
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| 17:59:53 | bertrik | linuxstb, hi I noticed your question |
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| 18:00:40 | Hillshum | JdGordon: I think it changes the bits? i.e. if amd64, bits = 64, |
| 18:01:28 | JdGordon | 2 seperate values |
| 18:01:39 | bertrik | linuxstb, I had to create an .lds file and some stubs for audiohw and usb IIRC, I'll have a close look now |
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| 18:02:02 | JdGordon | ah, so it does |
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| 18:02:46 | linuxstb | bertrik: I tried it last night (also creating a lot of stubs, and an app.lds), and got Rockbox booting to some degree. It's not making it's way through all the inits though. |
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| 18:03:26 | linuxstb | bertrik: I guess we should compare patches (but I'm busy at the moment, and my tree is a mess...) |
| 18:03:34 | bertrik | linuxstb, oh then you're already further than I am, because I never actually ran a real rockbox |
| 18:03:48 | linuxstb | I have it easier, as the Nano already has keymaps... |
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| 18:04:56 | linuxstb | bertrik: I've also sort of got the timer interrupt working. TheSeven deduced that timer B is generating a "timer A" interrupt... |
| 18:04:57 | bertrik | mine's a mess too because I was experimenting with USB and then polluted it even more with samsung yp-s3 stuff |
| 18:05:12 | linuxstb | I guess people will recommend git to us... |
| 18:05:13 | bertrik | oh great ... |
| 18:05:38 | bertrik | the text in the datasheet suggests some last minute changes in the documentation about the timers |
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| 18:06:27 | bertrik | for example it says something like: there are *two* timers, timer A, timer B, timer C and timer D :) Also the pin assignment of the timers is inconsistent |
| 18:06:39 | JdGordon | linuxstb: screw git.. just have 5 copies of the svn tree in your ~ |
| 18:06:54 | CIA-6 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r22070): Lua: implement the ^ and % operators |
| 18:06:57 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I already do, from old abandoned work... I need more ;) |
| 18:07:55 | bertrik | I've been thinking about some kind of common timer code, because we can't fix the assignment of timers when each targets uses the timers differently |
| 18:08:26 | bertrik | the yp-s3 uses timer A for PWM backlight, the meizus use timer C for PWM backlight, the nano2g uses timer D for the piezo |
| 18:08:29 | Hillshum | Okay, so, do I just add 'ppc' to the bit in rbclient.pl that has the rest of the 32-bit cpus? |
| 18:09:18 | bertrik | and for rockbox we need at least two timers as far as I understand: the kernel timer and a generic timer |
| 18:09:47 | linuxstb | Yes, although I can't remember what uses the user timer, apart from some plugins. |
| 18:09:49 | bertrik | it would be convenient to use another timer to do usec delays |
| 18:10:21 | bertrik | linuxstb, I think backlight fading uses it, some archos protocol uses it and the metronome plugin uses it |
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| 18:23:49 | kugel | JdGordon: I'm not against using a abbreviation, just against having inverse names for wps and the engine behind for the source and manual/irc/w.e. |
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| 18:31:33 | JdGordon| | I just got a rpretty awesome bug in brickmania.... it sudenly had the "press select to continue" text on screen, the bar and powerups were all stuck but the ball kept moving... pressing select made the ball sotp and the paddle move again! |
| 18:32:23 | kugel | fix it...:P |
| 18:33:36 | JdGordon| | na |
| 18:33:42 | JdGordon| | too awesome to fix |
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| 18:48:40 | martian67 | JdGordon, easter egg! |
| 18:49:11 | Lynx_ | Does anyone here use the D2 port on a daily basis? |
| 18:49:26 | JdGordon| | wrong channel.... |
| 18:49:27 | JdGordon| | :D |
| 18:50:14 | Lynx_ | JdGordon: is there a #rockbox-D2-port-questions now? ;) |
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| 18:51:24 | pixelma | kkurbjun: I don't understand your explanation, as far as I know there is a define you can use for testing for that screen (it's used in some plugin). From a quick glance it's only width and height definitions and not some further calculations that are affected, so I don't understand why a small exception wouldn't be possible. It is still better than before and won't make it look so weird (which would be a regression from a user's point of view :\ |
| 18:51:24 | pixelma | ) |
| 18:55:40 | CIA-6 | New commit by Ubuntuxer (r22071): Fix some tiny bugs in the help screen from solitaire and star |
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| 19:00:31 | CIA-6 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r22072): Jz4740 PCM driver: check whether pcm_callback_for_more isn't NULL (fixes metronome) |
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| 19:11:29 | pixelma | kkurbjun: it doesn't have to be fully hardcoded, maybe something like "if arch |
| 19:11:41 | pixelma | errr... "if Archi |
| 19:12:51 | pixelma | /me tries again... "if Archos screen, then width =1,25 x height" |
| 19:13:05 | pixelma | or 125/100 |
| 19:15:22 | linuxstb | pixelma: What are we talking about? Dealing with the Archos aspect ratio? |
| 19:15:56 | CIA-6 | New commit by Ubuntuxer (r22073): Upps, fix to r22071 |
| 19:16:20 | pixelma | yes, his change to reversi which will lead to rectangular cells that haven't been there before |
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| 19:16:36 | pixelma | rectangulat looking ones |
| 19:16:43 | linuxstb | pixelma: We have the LCD_PIXEL_ASPECT_WIDTH and LCD_PIXEL_ASPECT_HEIGHT defines for that. |
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| 19:17:24 | linuxstb | (4 and 5 respectively on Archos, 1 and 1 elsewhere) |
| 19:17:47 | linuxstb | So they can be used directly in any calculations. |
| 19:18:27 | JdGordon| | kugel: yeah, but in that case, the screen name should be changed in the manual also.... I've never been a fan of calling it the "while playing screen" anyway... just sounds either odd or bad english |
| 19:18:45 | pixelma | nice,, so something could be used... just remembered that pictureflow uses something like that |
| 19:19:02 | linuxstb | Yes, I think they're relatively new, so maybe they were added for pictureflow. |
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| 19:22:18 | kugel | JdGordon|: calling the engine behind wps is worse :p wps for the gui is a good name imo |
| 19:23:21 | JdGordon| | I dont see how it could be worse or misleading in any way... its got the word engine tacked onto it |
| 19:23:41 | courtc | wpe? |
| 19:23:58 | courtc | Yay! more bad English! |
| 19:23:59 | JdGordon| | its got nothing to do with playing though... |
| 19:24:20 | JdGordon| | its the drawing and screen layout enginge.. and it needs a short name or normal acronym :) |
| 19:24:22 | kugel | but the "music_screen" has |
| 19:24:57 | Hillshum | assumes that "music" is exclusive to files played locally |
| 19:24:59 | BryanJacobs | how about "player gui"? |
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| 19:25:40 | courtc | layout_engine, player/player_view |
| 19:26:15 | * | kugel doesn't think "wps" is questioned, just which part is called wps |
| 19:26:15 | JdGordon| | layout_engine was suggested and I liked it, but too long |
| 19:26:39 | courtc | The name game is fun... albeit slightly pointless if everyone knows what it is. |
| 19:26:39 | kugel | what's the problem with long names? |
| 19:27:03 | JdGordon| | well if it gets put as the start of every funciton name... |
| 19:27:19 | kugel | courtc: I don't expect newcomers (read: interested developers) know about confusing name |
| 19:27:23 | kugel | names* |
| 19:28:07 | courtc | gtk is apparently ok with long names: gtk_tree_selection_count_selected_rows |
| 19:28:26 | * | JdGordon| checks our project name |
| 19:28:31 | JdGordon| | nope... not gtk |
| 19:28:56 | kugel | I'm for "skin_engine", with the abbreviation "skin" for function names. Also, have you ever heard of autocompletition features of modern text editors? :) |
| 19:29:53 | JdGordon| | so what about them? the idea of a good name is so the code is readable |
| 19:30:20 | JdGordon| | skin engine is lying a bit also... |
| 19:30:28 | BryanJacobs | kugel: some of us don't use modern editors or use them without pressing the CTRL key |
| 19:30:52 | Hillshum | some of us are stuck in the stone age |
| 19:30:56 | kugel | JdGordon|: how? |
| 19:31:05 | BryanJacobs | some of us never evolved beyond monocellular organisms |
| 19:31:31 | kugel | JdGordon|: long descriptive names are better readable than short meaningless abbreviations |
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| 19:31:50 | JdGordon| | hmm... maybe skin_engine could work |
| 19:31:58 | JdGordon| | feel like doing the svn mv'ing? |
| 19:32:44 | kugel | later |
| 19:33:09 | JdGordon| | sweet, I'm off the hook :) |
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| 19:42:54 | JdGordon| | domonoky: hey, are you still relying on my mac for osx rbutil builds? |
| 19:43:07 | domonoky | yes |
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| 19:44:06 | JdGordon| | ok, I just reenable the port forward... the network there got "fixed" recently which broke everything :/ |
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| 19:45:33 | linuxstb | Ubuntuxer: I don't understand your changes to solitaire and star - all LCDs with depth > 1 have the background/foreground functions. In solitaire you added them only for colour targets, and in star you added them only for greyscale targets... |
| 19:45:41 | * | linuxstb too slow again... |
| 19:46:28 | JdGordon| | domonoky: ok, its up again on port 1122... I'm still trying to get my brother to reinstall it so it could drop off.. but unlikely to happen soon |
| 19:47:07 | domonoky | thanks, no problem. i only need it for release builds, so not too often :-) |
| 19:47:43 | JdGordon| | release more often! |
| 19:47:45 | JdGordon| | :) |
| 19:48:00 | Hillshum | domonoky: I could test that patch for iPod/Sansa reconnects (using my e200v2) if you can get me a build |
| 19:48:27 | linuxstb | Hillshum: How? |
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| 19:49:35 | domonoky | Hillshum: if you wait a bit, i can make you a macosx build with this patch for you... |
| 19:49:59 | Hillshum | linuxstb: By seeing if the delay works. Sansapatcher won't quite work though |
| 19:50:31 | linuxstb | But the e200v2 install is completely different.... Or am I missing something? |
| 19:50:38 | Hillshum | domonoky: wait. I can test that the delay you used will work, but |
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| 19:50:57 | domonoky | Hillshum: ah, with a e200v2 this wont be possible... |
| 19:51:10 | domonoky | sansapatcher wont do anything to it |
| 19:52:02 | Hillshum | will the root issue still be there? (not remounting it time) I could test generic fixes for that... |
| 19:54:12 | domonoky | when sansapatcher doesnt unmount your device, you can not test if the wait for remount works.. :-) |
| 19:55:40 | Hillshum | ahh. I suppose I *could* add a command to unmout it separately.... |
| 19:56:16 | Hillshum | BTW, would it work to just install the main build first, then run sansapatcher? |
| 19:57:06 | domonoky | no, sansapatcher checks the disk.. |
| 19:57:40 | linuxstb | domonoky: What do you mean? That's how the manual install is described - i.e. install Rockbox first, then install the bootloader. |
| 19:58:02 | domonoky | ah, i missunderstood. |
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| 19:58:22 | domonoky | yes doing the bootloader as last would also solve the problem. |
| 19:58:31 | IuDeX | any news about Sansa AMS? :p |
| 19:59:16 | Hillshum | IuDeX: not really. I found a bug on the Clip... |
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| 20:00:00 | IuDeX | Hillshum: O nice ;) |
| 20:00:14 | Hillshum | Crossfade crashes the thing |
| 20:00:24 | Hillshum | s/the thing/playback |
| 20:00:36 | IuDeX | Hillshum: I have crossfade OFF and it crashes without this. |
| 20:00:59 | Hillshum | same here, but crossfade crashes it instantly |
| 20:01:06 | domonoky | Hillshum: Crossfade probably uses just too much memory.. |
| 20:01:45 | Hillshum | domonoky: according to funman, the buffer is -238k or so |
| 20:01:48 | IuDeX | Is there idea how to limit memory for crossfade? |
| 20:02:12 | domonoky | Hillshum: that 500k-800k too less :-) |
| 20:03:04 | domonoky | from my experiments with AMS low-mem Targets, the audio buffer needs to be atleast ~500k for playback to work.. |
| 20:03:15 | IuDeX | Is it possible to delete crossfad? ;) |
| 20:04:06 | JdGordon| | disable it in settings |
| 20:04:21 | IuDeX | it's disabled |
| 20:04:29 | Hillshum | or #ifdef it out on low-mem |
| 20:04:30 | JdGordon| | restart |
| 20:04:43 | IuDeX | restart? |
| 20:05:16 | JdGordon| | rockbox |
| 20:05:27 | sinthetek | i thought i saw a battery life estimate somewhere in rockbox config. can someone point me to it? |
| 20:05:30 | Hillshum | IuDeX: if you did crash it, you'll need to restart |
| 20:06:03 | IuDeX | Hillshum: I know, but I have to restart it 5times in 2mins ;) |
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| 20:11:13 | AsaelReiter | sinthetek: system->rockbox info |
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| 20:15:58 | sinthetek | weak! how'd i miss that the last 2-3x i checked? |
| 20:16:02 | sinthetek | thanks AsaelReiter |
| 20:17:33 | bertrik | sinthetek, the battery percentage indicator is pretty accurate on most targets, but the battery life remaining is quite crude on some targets |
| 20:18:22 | Hillshum | is it worse on HDD targets? |
| 20:18:34 | bertrik | I don't know |
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| 20:20:38 | chuky | hello |
| 20:21:33 | chuky | is there support (or planned support) for the sansa scandisk clip 4gb? |
| 20:21:58 | Hillshum | chuky: it's in-development |
| 20:21:59 | chuky | while looking for mp3 players with open firmware, found you, and also those sansa being just 35 euros |
| 20:22:03 | chuky | ah ok, thanks |
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| 20:33:49 | linuxstb | chuky: Although there are two hardware revisions of the Clip (v1 and v2). Rockbox runs (but not reliably) on the v1, and I'm not sure of the status (if any) on the v2. |
| 20:34:34 | chuky | ah, and which would be the better (while cheap) that I could that rockbox supports linuxstb? |
| 20:34:44 | chuky | *that I could buy |
| 20:35:01 | Hillshum | there's some progress on the v2, not much |
| 20:35:03 | Bagder | chuky: see BuyersGuide in the wiki |
| 20:35:11 | chuky | ah ok, thanks |
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| 20:36:24 | chuky | hell, no one on the table is in production |
| 20:36:59 | Torne | we know. :) |
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| 20:38:10 | linuxstb | chuky: It's almost always that way - "lifetime of DAPs" < "time needed to port Rockbox" |
| 20:38:25 | chuky | no no, I don't care, I mean |
| 20:38:26 | Hillshum | chuky: you won't have to worry about voiding your warranty |
| 20:38:42 | chuky | as long as it is usable, the only problem would perhaps be to find one to buy |
| 20:38:51 | chuky | yes, that's true as well |
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| 20:58:27 | CIA-6 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r22074): Jz4740 PCM driver: do 32-bit or 16-bit burst sizes if 16-byte ones won't fit (improves PDBox) |
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| 21:01:38 | JdGordon| | hey Zagor, did you see my message in the logs? |
| 21:01:43 | CIA-6 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r22075): Jz4740 timer driver: only init timer in timer_set() when start is true |
| 21:03:09 | Zagor | JdGordon|: yes depgen has always been single-shot i.e. it doesn't rerun for changed files. run "make dep" to recreate it. |
| 21:03:43 | Zagor | the alternative is to use per-file dependency files, which is *much* slower |
| 21:03:54 | JdGordon| | ok, I guess it doesnt happen often, but it sounds weird to not reg a files deps if its changed |
| 21:03:55 | Zagor | but it allows automatic dependency updates |
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| 21:05:16 | Zagor | it's a compromise. creating 800+ dependency files (by running gcc for each one) takes a lot of time compared to todays' solution |
| 21:05:54 | JdGordon| | ok |
| 21:06:08 | Zagor | we could of course also rerun the current depgen every time a file is changed, but that also doesn't feel like it would bring applause :) |
| 21:06:41 | Lear | Especially from Cygwin users... :) |
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| 21:07:22 | Hillshum | Zagor: I'm on a PPC system right now, I added ppc to rbclient.pl, as 32 bit. |
| 21:07:30 | Hillshum | Seems alright |
| 21:08:39 | Zagor | Hillshum: excellent |
| 21:09:15 | Zagor | oh, you didn't commit it? |
| 21:10:53 | Zagor | gah, you beat is in the low-speed contest! |
| 21:11:04 | Zagor | beat us |
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| 21:12:01 | Hillshum | ? |
| 21:12:15 | Hillshum | Zagor: I guess I won't be able to build sims... |
| 21:12:43 | Zagor | ibook-Hillshum speed 9 points/second |
| 21:13:14 | Hillshum | what does that mean? |
| 21:13:29 | JdGordon| | slow :D |
| 21:13:49 | Zagor | it's just a measure of build speed. the fastest clients are at 400+ |
| 21:14:24 | Zagor | before you, I and gevaerts had a "fight" about having the slowest client with 15 and 14 points/sec. you beat us! |
| 21:14:58 | Hillshum | Haha. 700Mhz |
| 21:15:48 | ej0rge | I've been offered a sharp zaurus sl5500 as a potential build client. |
| 21:15:59 | JdGordon| | Zagor |
| 21:16:02 | JdGordon| | doh sorry |
| 21:16:29 | JdGordon| | Zagor: any chance of having the times in the stats page have the build name also? |
| 21:16:51 | rasher | Zagor: Surely that title was mine! |
| 21:16:56 | JdGordon| | as hover text or something |
| 21:17:09 | Zagor | JdGordon|: yeah I considered that before but decided against since it would be so wide. but hover is a good idea. |
| 21:17:12 | * | pixelma is glad to see time stamps in the build table again :) |
| 21:17:24 | ej0rge | I'd have to stick an ethernet card in the CF slot and boot debian/arm off an SD card |
| 21:17:38 | Zagor | rasher: cygwin doesn't count! |
| 21:17:39 | ej0rge | or use nfs foot . . . |
| 21:18:13 | * | JdGordon| is going to setup a vm on his netbook to steal the slowest client title |
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| 21:18:47 | Zagor | JdGordon|: cygwin and virtual machines is cheating. only native systems count. |
| 21:19:14 | Zagor | this is a very important contest with strict rules! :-) |
| 21:19:23 | JdGordon| | sorry, my mistake |
| 21:20:11 | bertrik | I'm seeing some weird backlight code in the samsung yp-s3 OF |
| 21:20:23 | JdGordon| | has anyone got a ps3 running a client? |
| 21:20:29 | bertrik | it seems to quickly toggle the backlight at some point |
| 21:20:35 | Zagor | JdGordon|: I don't think so |
| 21:20:53 | Zagor | bertrik: fading? |
| 21:20:57 | n1s | JdGordon: lock the netbook on the lowest cpu speed and watch youtube all the time! |
| 21:21:13 | * | JdGordon| wonders if the fund would like to sponser a ps3 for me which would run a client 24/7 except when playing games :) |
| 21:21:19 | Zagor | haha |
| 21:21:24 | bertrik | Zagor, I don't think so, it doesn't do this all the time, only 15 cycles or so |
| 21:21:49 | bertrik | Maybe this is some kind of debug mechanism, or maybe it's just a very weird way to program the backlight dimming |
| 21:22:30 | bertrik | I can dim the backlight with PWM from a timer, but it doesn't seem to work reliably, I have to lower the PWM frequency to make it work on lower intensities |
| 21:25:55 | bertrik | the code seems to toggle the backlight 16 times, waits a bit and then toggles it for a variable number of times |
| 21:30:00 | bertrik | this WM1800 codec seems to match other wolfson codecs pretty well w.r.t. register layout |
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| 21:49:18 | Zagor | do we have a reason for not using -pipe to gcc? the docs say it can cause problems with non-gnu assemblers, but that hardly applies to us |
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| 21:53:20 | rasher | Zagor: Sounds unlikely |
| 21:54:46 | rasher | Try it and see! |
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| 23:51:06 | bertrik | I think I see some similarities between the power controller used in the samsung yp-s3 and the one in the meizus |
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