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#rockbox log for 2009-08-04

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00:15:01skellingtonis there rockbox for the sansa clip?
00:18:04JdGordon|technicallly yes, supported no
00:18:55skellingtonok, i was just confused by all these articles claiming rockbox on the sansa clip but with nothing on the official site
00:20:59linuxstbskellington: It's officially "under development". i.e. it works to some degree, but it's good enough for us to list it as a supported device.
00:21:16linuxstbOr rather, not good enough...
00:22:33skellingtonoh i see
00:23:25skellingtondo you have a sansa clip? if so, id like to hear your opinion about it. im thinking of buying one myself.
00:24:40linuxstbYes, I have one. I like it, but don't really use it (and haven't even tried Rockbox on it). I prefer larger capacity devices. The most common criticism of the Clip is that there is no expandable storage (e.g. microSD slot)
00:25:33linuxstbBut general discussion about DAPs isn't really on-topic here. You're welcome in #rockbox-community...
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00:27:02skellingtonaha. well thanks.
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00:39:30CIA-6New commit by kugel (r22146): Remove the wrapper around the wrapper (wps_data_load) and handle loading hardcoded wps in case of a broken file directly in wps.c.
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01:04:34kugelJdGordon|: ping
01:08:09kugelJdGordon|: any opinion on renaming the *_wps_backdrop functions to *_skin_backdrop or is that too early?
01:08:29*kugel is currently adding those to the multiscreen api
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01:09:39JdGordon|give me ~30min or so before i can tlak properly.. but HELL YEAH!
01:09:59JdGordon|I thought about doing that last night but couldnt be bothered at the time
01:10:38JdGordon|do it something like screen->set_backdrop(enum backdrop_type) so its only one function to do it
01:10:42saratogawhats the goal of all this WPS rework? i've only heard a little of it
01:11:10kugelJdGordon|: even better
01:11:27JdGordon|saratoga: the usuall.... clean up and fix up and make eaiser to use
01:11:44kugelsaratoga: he's just bored :p
01:11:47JdGordon|also to get fm and rec screens using it
01:11:49JdGordon|that too
01:12:11JdGordon|evidently so are you though? its not 2am here :D
01:14:49saratogakugel: could FS #10373 - "rbutil support for Samsung YH-820 YH-920 YH-925" be commited?
01:15:02saratogait seems absolutely trivial and imporant to that port
01:15:12kugelJdGordon|: it's not here either :p
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01:15:41kugelsaratoga: I'm for it, but I don't think I'm the guy to have the final look at
01:16:09kugelbut looking at the patch, it seems trivial indeed
01:16:31saratogayes i'm tempted to commit it as is
01:16:35kugelthough, those targets are not released, and rbutil isn't prepared to support unsupported targets, IIRC
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01:17:05saratogayes but the code could still go in SVN, it wouldn't matter until we released a new rbutil anyway
01:17:20JdGordon|saratoga: probably best to annoy domonoky or bluebrother if its rbutil related
01:19:51saratogaactually why isn't the 820,925 supported, it appears to have everything except battery charging
01:20:09saratogawhich would make it at least as far along as the iPod Video
01:21:45*JdGordon| isnt exactly sure where those backdroip functions should be... or at least where they should be claled from
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01:29:53saratogahmm "FS #10251 - plugin keymaps for Samsung YH-820 YH-920 YH-925" has been rotting on the tracker for a while too
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01:38:34JdGordon_kugel: what else have you been playing with in the wps/skin thing? so i dont end up doing the same work tonight
01:39:52JdGordon_ok :)
01:40:24JdGordon_know of any other obvious fixes like the background change that could be done?
01:41:54kugelit's spontaneous
01:42:08kugeli.e. no, not now :)
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01:53:40kugelJdGordon: it even seems to work
01:53:56kugelsaratoga: yea, he's doing it right also
01:54:18saratogakugel: who?
01:54:19kugelhe's assigning keys that don't exist, or only make very little sense given the samsungs' layout
01:54:37saratogai've almost synced that patch
01:54:56saratogashould I stop?
01:55:26kugelI can fix the rest I think
01:55:52kugelI would rather get plugins at least compiling anyway, no need for perfect initial keymaps
01:56:36saratogaheres what i have:
01:57:04saratogaworks on the yh920 but fails on color targets due to png, clix
01:59:33kugelhe also didn't touch subdir plugins at all, if I see that correctly
01:59:45saratogai assume he has the BW model
01:59:51saratogasince it's plugins all compile
02:00:00saratogawell png is trivial to fix
02:00:40kugelthe 920 is greyscale yes
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02:00:46kugelthe other two are color
02:00:58saratogais there some player that has very similar buttons?
02:01:11kugelI don't think so
02:02:23saratogaclix is also trivial, let me see what else is broken
02:03:02saratogapacbox and rockboy
02:03:30saratogai'll do rockboy
02:03:35kugelI say if all plugins compile, go for it
02:04:00saratogacrap something is up, be back in a few
02:04:05saratogafeel free to look at pacbox
02:12:54saratogahuh rockboy is hard for lack of keys
02:13:51saratogais there someway to say "hold X" verses push X?
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02:17:21kugelyea, "hold X" :p
02:17:39kugelhold or long, I don't have better ideas
02:18:01saratogakugel: i have to go, but i updated the task with my changes
02:18:12kugelalright, thanks!
02:18:42saratogaIMO this and the rbutil patch should be commited, test bootloaders released, then we should make it supported a few days later
02:19:04kugelI don't see a reason against
02:19:09kugelbut low_light didn't want to
02:19:19kugelhe's the main man, I just did testing
02:19:25saratogawhich do you have?
02:21:49kugelJdGordon: , please have a look, I'll probably commit later
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04:02:03CIA-6New commit by wincent (r22147): PDBox: Added GUI.
04:02:38amishrobotsI am shopping around for an mp3 player, that will work easily with Linux, (Ubuntu) minimum 5gb, though more is better. I would like to be able to install RockBox, whould i wish, with a minimum of hassle. Is the Iriver h10 a good choice (i can get one for $40) or should I be looking elsewhere? Any suggestions?
04:03:47saratogaanyone familar with rockblox? i'm not sure how the bitmaps for it work
04:04:29CIA-6New commit by wincent (r22148): PDBox: Minor addition and bugfixes.
04:06:59kkurbjunamishrobots: are you looking for one that has an fm radio, do you care about screen size or playing games/watching movies?
04:07:26kkurbjunsaratoga: I think rockblox calculates everything but the background
04:08:02kkurbjunoh, neverming
04:08:06kkurbjunthey are had coded
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04:18:47amishrobotsfm radio, not really important so much. One thing i /do/ want though, is a line in recording jack, which i know the h10 does not have unless you get the silly cradle
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04:19:29kkurbjunyou might look at an H300 or H100 series then
04:19:36amishrobotswatching movies would be nice, but i can sort of do without that
04:19:41kkurbjunthey have a line in
04:19:59amishrobotssound quality is of utmost importance to me
04:20:22amishrobotsare these ums or mta ?
04:20:38kkurbjunthey just look like a mass storage device
04:20:48kkurbjunI mean they are mass storage
04:21:23amishrobotsi kinda remember looking at those and hating the button layout, but i will give them another look
04:22:05amishrobotswill the gameboy emu work well on them? although its not the most important thing to me, it would be really cool
04:23:28kkurbjunI've used the H10 and H300 - between the two the H300 felt more natural in rockbox, but that's just my opinion - the H300 runs it ok - if you are looking for something that will run it really well I would look at the gigabeat F or S, but they don't have line in recording (or recording at all)
04:24:30kkurbjunyou can play puzzle games on the H300/100 or H10 without trouble - if you start to play more action oriented games it will be slower, but still playable
04:24:51kkurbjunthe gigabeat F and S play just about anything full speed
04:25:24amishrobotssound quality between the gigabeat vs h300?
04:26:12amishrobotswell, i guess i need line in more than i really need games
04:27:00kkurbjunI thought the H300 had excellent sound quality and I believe the gigabeat is comparable - I havn't used My H300 in a while because the Gigabeat has more space
04:27:06amishrobotsdoes the h300 get pretty loud?
04:29:03kkurbjunI think just about any target will go to 0db, some go higher to 6db - I am not sure which do offhand or if the H300 does
04:29:40kkurbjunthe H300 will go to at least 0db
04:30:04kkurbjun(so it gets loud)
04:30:47amishrobotsyeah, sorry, i know very little of decibel speak, i would have guessed 0 is none
04:30:58amishrobotsso loud works
04:31:33amishrobotsonly difference between 320 and 340 seems to be storage cap?
04:32:29amishrobotsi would like to have one that uses flash, but otherwise this seems ok,, so long as the hard drive wont die when i drop the thing from 40 feet
04:32:30dzamishrobots: decibel is a logarithmic relative notation. 0dB is simply no change.
04:32:47dzand you're asking a lot from a hard drive there
04:33:01amishrobotslol, indeed
04:33:16amishrobotsi tend to run over my cell phones with cars too
04:33:23kkurbjunyes, the 320 and 340 are identical except for the capacity, the 340 is a bit wider for the hard drive
04:33:31amishrobotsone with a taxi, one with a hearse
04:33:50dzalso noted, you're liable to start to get clipping with the volume set above 0dB
04:34:11kkurbjunthe latter seems like a suiting end for the cell phone
04:34:48amishrobotsat the moment i am a carnie, so i might run over something with a roll o plane trailer
04:35:28amishrobotsanyway, thank you so much for the help, i will be looking into it on ebay
04:36:08kkurbjunno problem
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04:48:30regicideI just got an 80g ipod and rockbox crashes with almost every song. The ipod firmware works fine but I would much rather use rockbox. Can anyone point me in the correct direction to get this sorted out
04:48:48tmztwhat generation is that?
04:49:28krazykitregicide, have you tried using the build for the 30gb ipod video?
04:49:36regicideI was about to
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04:51:36regicidewhat is the difference between the 2
04:53:35krazykitregicide, the amount of RAM. if you happen to have the mainboard from the 30gb, you have half the memory as the 60/80, even if the hard drive is larger
04:54:22regicideit is a refurb so I guess that could be it
04:55:00regicideit is an 80g case
04:55:42regicideso far a song that crashed every time is about half way with the 30 firmware
04:56:11saratogashould pacbox run on a 128x96 screen?
04:57:06regicidewell it played that song all the way so I think that fixed it
04:57:14regicideThanks for the help
04:59:05krazykitglad it was such an easy fix :)
04:59:19regicideme too
05:00:08saratogahmm i guess not since theres no code defined to hangle small screens
05:08:36CIA-6New commit by saratoga (r22149): Commit FS #10251. Plugins for the YH-820, YH-920, and YH-925 by Jens Erdmann with improvements and bitmap graphics by me.
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05:09:07saratogahope for the best
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05:16:03saratogawhat the hell those builds compiled fine for me
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05:18:59saratogaoh damnit karl commited before me . . .
05:20:12saratogai didn't svn up after your last commit and thus commited an old patch
05:20:23kkurbjunoh gotcha
05:23:20saratogahmm i really have no idea what the proper keys are for blackjack
05:26:06CIA-6New commit by saratoga (r22150): Always do an SVN up before committing . . . hopefully fixes red by defining more buttons. Unfortunately I'm not sure what blackjack should be so I've ...
05:28:37kkurbjunsaratoga: BJACK_SELECT replaced BJACK_START and BJACK_HIT
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05:30:28kkurbjunand there's not a BJACK_SCORES button now
05:30:31saratogakkurbjun: if you see what i've done wrong feel free to change it
05:30:40saratogai've never used blackjack so i'm a little confused
05:31:33kkurbjunI don't know if those keymaps will physically work, but you can safely remove those 3 defines and just have a buttons for BJACK_SELECT
05:32:27saratogaok i'll look at it tomorrow
05:32:31saratogaall green and so now i sleep
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06:07:18evilwombatGreetings! I've got an H340 with original FW and rockbox. When you plug in the charger, it goes to the original firmware's charging screen? Is there a way to prevent this? Or must the original FW be completely replaced w/ rockbox?
06:09:31TruthTacoI dont have that player but thats the way it is with my player as well.
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07:22:14CIA-6New commit by kkurbjun (r22151): Invadrox: Add support for 640x480 screens.
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08:48:58burdenI have a question about syncing my Rockboxed video iPod with Songbird
08:49:45burdencan someone help me?
08:50:06cool_walking_Rockbox just shows your player as a generic hard drive
08:50:23burdenno, songbird recognises it as my iPod
08:50:32burdenit even doesn't sync flac files to it
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08:51:03cool_walking_ah, well tell Songbird that it's not an ipod, but just a generic MP3 player
08:51:07burdenbecause it recognises it as an iPod
08:51:13burdendo you know how to do that?
08:51:21cool_walking_No, I don't use Songbird.
08:51:21burdendo I have to delete the old iPod firmware?
08:51:40burdenor delete the Apple service that auto recognizes my iPod?
08:51:46burden(im using winXP)
08:52:22cool_walking_I think there should be some config in Songbird where you can say "no, it's not an iPod".
08:52:40burdenalright, I'll look
08:52:46burdendoes Rockbox also support video?
08:53:01burdencan I add videos to my iPod?
08:53:24cool_walking_Yes, but only if they're in the format Rockbox supports. See the PluginMpegplayer wiki page.
08:53:37burdenalright cool
08:54:33burdenohhh and what is an MPT device?
08:54:46cool_walking_You mean MTP? Why?
08:54:57burdenbecause theres an addon for SB
08:55:03burdenthat allows me to sync my iPod but
08:55:12cool_walking_MTP is another protocol that a device can talk to your computer over, instead of MSC.
08:55:17burdenit works for all MTP devices apparently
08:55:18cool_walking_Your iPod doesn't support MTP.
08:56:19burdenhow do u sync ur music?
08:56:25cool_walking_I just copy and paste
08:56:27burdenand what music player do u use?
08:56:41cool_walking_Well currently I mostly use my Sansa e260
08:57:00cool_walking_but I also have an iPod video and a Gigabeat S, which I also copy-pasted with
08:57:15burdenI guess I could try that
08:57:32burdenbut I really like keeping my comp music and device music on the same page
08:57:52cool_walking_Well there are a bunch of syncing apps listed on a wiki page somewhere...
08:58:06burdenalright Ill check out the wiki
08:59:38burdenomg they got linux to run on the iPod
08:59:41burdenthats crazy
09:00:34cool_walking_pfft Linux runs on anything you can run anything on. The off-topic chat channel is thataway, though -> #rockbox-community
09:01:08burdenno no, just wanted to express my amazement, and thanks for the help, it was very useful.
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13:26:55GranjowAnyone knows about iriver E100? Will it be supported some time?
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13:39:50Granjowis it possible that rockbox doesn't support any of the current media players at all?
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13:43:36TorneGranjow: correct. No supported target is currently being produced.
13:44:07TorneSome of the in-development targets are still in production, but many of those aren't either.
13:44:42TorneIt takes a lot of effort to port Rockbox, given that we typically get no assistance from the manufacturer whatsoever and the datasheets and manuals for the chips used are often not publically available.
13:44:56Torneby the time enough research and deveopment has been done the hardware is often obsolete :)
13:45:44GranjowTorne, And ... I bet you already asked the manufracturers for details, so I guess they do not want to deliver any useful information?
13:47:35GranjowWould there be a risk in publishing manuals and so on because other companies could read them? Or is it simply the conservative thinking of closed source and so on?
13:49:21gevaertswe're really the wrong people to ask
13:50:03*Granjow just got his E100 today but doesn't really like it anymore as it doesn't play ogg, can only display ASCII text files, fails at showing JPEG images, and the window$ only software crashes after at most 30 seconds
13:50:30Granjowgevaerts, why do you mean?
13:51:18gevaertsGranjow: how should we know what reasons companies have for their decisions?
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13:52:33Granjowgevaerts, I'd ask them ;)
13:52:46Tornebut htey don't answer us at all when we ask for docs, generally
13:52:54Torneso they're not going to answer us if we ask why not either :)
13:53:15Granjowthat is sad
13:53:37GranjowAll of them?
13:54:02Tornesome DAP manufacturers have contributed in small ways before, I don't know the details
13:54:16Torneand quite a few system-on-chips used in DAPs *do* have publically available manuals for the chip itself
13:54:31Tornebut that doesn't tell you everything you need to know (you need to know specifically how it's connected in this particular hardware)
13:57:57GranjowDid you ever get to talk with someone being more than just a support guy?
13:58:22Tornei've personally not tried at all :)
13:59:26GranjowBut doesn't there have to be a way to get the manuals? At least with some manufracturers
13:59:52GranjowOr are the plans secret?
14:00:47GranjowI mean, iriver says that it'd play ogg (although it is not working here) which is an open source format, so they might be interested at least a little bit in open source
14:01:20TorneChip manufacturers often only give their docs to people who buy chips from them, under NDA
14:01:34gevaertsogg is not an "open source" format. It's an open format. That's not the same thing
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14:05:09funmanthe mi4 header is not code
14:06:40GranjowTorne, hm, I see. And allowing some rockbox devs to see the documents under NDA wouldn't work either because what they do with it would be accessible for everyone ...
14:07:06GranjowThat is not cool
14:07:30gevaertsGranjow: that is assuming we would even get the documents under NDA
14:07:35pyro_maniacfunman: so i have to cut off till 0x43 to get off this DSA keys?
14:07:59Granjowgevaerts, yes
14:08:16funmanpyro_maniac: i think you better should use mi4decode or whatever it is called
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14:10:48pyro_maniacfunman: i used it to encrypt. can this cut off the header too?
14:11:25funmancheck the help, i never used it (i think you must get mi4decode from website)
14:11:32pyro_maniacused the wrong command :/
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15:43:24hatseflatshi everyone
15:43:43hatseflatswhy does rockbox fail on mkdosfs formatted 5.5G ipods?
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15:52:47CIA-6New commit by wincent (r22154): PDBox: Use correct values of maximal string size for snprintf.
15:54:10CIA-6New commit by mt (r22155): Add support for AC3 audio in RM container.
15:54:55*mt waits for the build ..
15:56:40LambdaCalculus37mt: Wow, nice work! :)
15:56:55mtLambdaCalculus37: Thanks :)
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15:58:45gevaertsmt: congratulations! Was that the third codec you added?
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15:59:27mtgevaerts: Thanks :) ! And yes, this is the third one.
16:00:18mtIt's heavily based on codecs/a52.c , so it was reltively easier that the other two.
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16:02:35LambdaCalculus37mt: Do you want to add some info about the RM work you've done so far to as well?
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16:04:30mtLambdaCalculus37: Yes I was going to do that a few days ago, but I thought I should wait for testing on the rest of the targets, shouldn't I ?
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16:07:22LambdaCalculus37mt: You can add an info page on Cook if you wish, along with (if you have any) benchmark tests done with the test_codec plugin.
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16:10:08mtLambdaCalculus37: Although, shouldn't it SoundCodecRealMedia for example, which then links to pages for the different codecs in RM ?
16:10:31mt*shouldn't it be SoundCodecReal.....
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16:16:01Vinconzowhat is the cheapest rockbox-compatible mp3 player that is still selling?
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16:18:41hatseflatsanyone? because using mtools to format my ipod gives off false size indicators to linux, making it look like it's 2.5 times bigger than it ought to be
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16:19:22saratogaI was saying gtalk that i think dnet.c is a bit obscure a name, although it is the codecs fourcc
16:19:48saratogadoes anyone prefer another name
16:19:56gevaertshatseflats: mtools should work fine. Are you sure you're using it correctly?
16:21:39hatseflatsgevaerts: I'm doing -exactly- what the wiki says I should do
16:22:08hatseflatsand aside from that, mtools is cumbersome to use, at best, why rely on such a tool at all?
16:22:24mtHow about a52_rm.c ? (I have no certain preference, just suggesting.)
16:22:49gevaertshatseflats: if you find what's going wrong with dosfstools, feel free to tell us. We didn't deliberately add this incompatibility
16:22:55amiconnsaratoga: Could it be that you forgot docs/CREDITS in r22149?
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16:23:12hatseflatsgevaerts: no, I know that
16:23:32hatseflatsbut what I read from the wiki implied that someone did know what was going wrong
16:23:47hatseflatshence my question
16:24:26gevaertshatseflats: anyway, IpodConversionToFAT32 and IpodManualRestore seem to give different instructions. I think I'd trust the ones on IpodConversionToFAT32, but I could be wrong
16:25:01hatseflatsgevaerts: well, I always get rockbox working with the instructions from IpodConversion, but that gives me the false indicators
16:25:25hatseflatsI don't seem to have a package for the newfs_blabla tools
16:25:32hatseflatselse i'd have tried those
16:25:33gevaertsno, that's an osx command
16:25:38hatseflats..makes sense
16:26:17gevaertsanyway, maybe try the command from IpodManualRestore? I don't really know more about this than the wiki
16:26:57hatseflatsyeah, I tried both pages several times over in different sequences and combinations, all resuling in either and unbootable rockbox, but working apple firmware, or "broken" reads for the pc
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16:27:40saratogaamiconn: for pyro_maniaic? hes already had a few patches accepted so I assume not
16:28:38saratogaand hes not in there
16:28:40saratogai'll add him
16:29:14pyro_maniacsaratoga: thx ;)
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16:31:27saratogamt: that sounds fine to me
16:34:38IgorLagodaHello All. Pls suggest me, who can be sent preset of FM stations in Kiev? Thanks.
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17:06:00CIA-6New commit by mt (r22158): Rename codecs/dnet.c to codecs/a52_rm.c
17:06:55Vinconzoanyone here who knows of a cheap mp3 player that runs Rockbox?
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17:08:51mtVinconzo: sansa ? although currently only v1 is supported (older one) so you might have to look on ebay.
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17:12:14Vinconzomt: the Sansa Fuse is a v2, right?
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17:14:30mtVinconzo: Fuze is not supported, but that's not what I meant by v1/v2. The older Sans e200's for example are v1, and currently newer ones are sold (v2).
17:15:01Vinconzoe200 or e200 series?
17:15:51mte200 series.
17:16:06Vinconzoeg. is the 280 part of the e200 series?
17:16:14Vinconzofor example
17:16:39mt*the e280
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17:18:13mtVinconzo: You may want to look here too
17:20:17Vinconzoi see
17:20:29Vinconzobut v2 is a work in progress, right?
17:20:46Vinconzoit will be done in only a few years?
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17:22:17mtVinconzo: No estimates. Read the answer to the question just before the one I sent you. :)
17:23:40mtAlso, iriver h10 seems to be cheap (on ebay) , but anyway the list of the supported targets is on the frontpage, look around for the players listed there and compare.
17:28:16Vinconzowell i'm very patient
17:29:12Vinconzoso i'll wait untill the sansa v2 is supported
17:29:32Vinconzoa friend of mine has one of those too, he says it's a nice mp3 player
17:29:46Vinconzohe's got a sansa 260
17:29:53wincentI would like to include PDBox into the build system. As it runs only on H3XX, I made the inclusion conditional: #if defined(IRIVER_H300_SERIES) . Is there anything that speaks against such an inclusion?
17:29:54Vinconzoe260 even
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17:45:13TruthTacoIve got the sansa V1 and its pretty nice
17:45:20TruthTacoerrr fuze v1
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17:52:31saratogaBagder: is it possible to change the HTML on the filespray pages?
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18:02:44CIA-6New commit by wincent (r22160): Insert pdbox into build system, currently only for H300.
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18:13:38boogiemanhi everyone
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18:17:24boogiemanis there any way to get rockbox to run on a iriver t60?
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18:18:16boogiemani just killed my t60 with a firmware upgarde and am looking into rockbox as a way to brig it back to life
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18:19:01gevaertsknowing a way to "unbrick" players is usually seen as a prerequisite before starting a rockbox port
18:19:20boogiemanif that is at all posible, since i can't finde any way to get it into DFU mode
18:20:57boogiemani seem to remember a discussion on this chanell about getting a t60 into DFU mode but uith no succes, and i am wondering if any progress has been made
18:22:34bertrikboogieman, you could try the following: insert usb plug, hold power or play and do a hard reset/poweron
18:23:27bertrikbut even if you get it into DFU mode, I wouldn't know how to recover it
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18:25:15bertrikyou can recognise DFU mode by a different USB vendor and product id, the screen probably stays blank in this mode
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18:31:08boogiemanmy screen is blank regardles of what i do, but my pc and the iriver plus 3 recognizes it if i press the power button
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18:32:36boogiemanthe software for updating the firmare provided by irever crashed on me during an upgrade and it efectively turned my t60 into a zombie
18:34:09boogiemani guess i'll have to try every key combination i can think of to try to get it into DFU mode and try to recover it somehow
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18:50:05wincentIs there a guide to profiling under Rockbox?
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18:55:11saratogawincent: theres a wiki page, but its not a bad idea to ask stripwax since hes been profiling a lot lately
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19:03:38amiconnwincent: Plugins should be enabled for as many targets as possible, unless very special reasons speak against that (e.g. iriverify.rock only makes sense on the irivers)
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19:07:28burdenhello, I have a question about my Rockboxed video iPod.
19:07:45burdenIn the Database view, where I have all my music, it sorts it by artist name
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19:08:35burdenbut for artists such as "The Eagles, and other artists who start with "The" it sorts them with the T's
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19:08:59burdeninstead of skipping the "The" in the title, and sorting by the next word
19:09:04burdenis there a way to fix that?
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19:09:36burdenor change it at least, w/o editing meta data for each track and deleting "The" from the name of the artist?
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19:15:09gevaertsburden: I don't think there's a real way to do what you want right now, but I'm not entirely sure (I don't use the database)
19:15:45burdenso u use file view for all your music?
19:16:46burdenwould i have to code that in or something?
19:17:08burdenif it finds "The" in the artist title to skip it?
19:17:16burdenerr not skip it but ignore the "The"
19:17:18rasherburden: This is not possible at the moment. There's a patch to use sorting-tags, but it's not ready for use
19:17:32rasherburden: This will not be accepted, because it's a very poor solution
19:17:59burdendo you guys use songbird?
19:18:30burdenit sorts artists by alphabetical order but if there is a "The" it ignores it and goes by the next word in the Artist
19:18:49burdenin the artist name
19:19:25burdenok one more thing then
19:19:37burdenagain, in the Database view
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19:20:00burdenis there a way to disable the <Random> at the top of every menu?
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19:20:28burdenBecause, if I wanted randomized stuff, I would just shuffle my songs
19:20:38rasherI don't think there is
19:20:42burdenkinda seems redundant to shuffle an individual album
19:21:08HillshumNot always, sometimes I want an album out of order myself..
19:21:32gevaertsmaybe a custom tagnavi config can do this?
19:21:35burdenI mean, and option would be nice to disable that from the menu
19:21:50burdenif you don't use it
19:22:35burdenok and another big thing I had a question about, again in Database view
19:22:49burdenwhen I select an Artist, it goes to Album select
19:23:09burdenbut if I choose <All>, it goes to all the songs by that artist
19:23:25burdenbut it sorts the songs by Alphabetical order and not by Album
19:23:48burdenis there a way to change that? So it sorts by Album rather than Alphabetical song name?
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19:24:45gevaertsburden: you can customise a lot in the database view. The manual, and maybe the wiki, should explain how
19:25:23HillshumThe .rockbox/tagnavi.config file might explain a bit as well
19:25:44burdensee, but the thing is, I already looked through all the Congif options on the Rockbox loaded on my iPod
19:25:56burdennot config but options menu
19:26:49Hillshumburden: You need to go beyond that to really customize the database
19:29:52burdenalright cool
19:30:37burdencan you guys link me to where I can customize my Database view?
19:30:47burdenread about it I mean
19:30:55HillshumBagder: Is there a possibility of getting ppc added to the build client? (I've done it myself and it works but I'd rather not keep adding it)
19:30:55amiconnIgnoring 'the' specifically is not wanted because it's 100% language specific
19:31:17amiconnThere is a patch that add support for sort tags. This method works for all languages
19:31:36amiconnAfaik the patch isn't ready for inclusion yet
19:41:00bertrikboogieman, any luck yet finding the DFU mode?
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20:06:54r0b-why would the clear blue theme show me a 300h battery life?
20:07:00r0b-on the e200
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20:07:47ubrukeligWill Rockbox support iPod Classic in the nearest future?
20:08:12Hillshumubrukelig: Possibly, but don't count on anything being supported
20:10:33gevaerts"nearest"? No, if it gets done, it will take a while
20:12:33ubrukeligIsn't anyone working on it?
20:12:56BagderHillshum: zagor does most of the build system work atm, post a patch and point him to it
20:14:12GodEaterubrukelig: whether they are or not doesn't matter, it's in its infancy and rockbox ports take a LONG time
20:14:31Bagderor even never succeed
20:14:32GodEatercheck back in a year or so to see if it's usable
20:14:51GodEaterthat too Bagder of course :)
20:15:48JdGordon|linuxstb : is doing the new ipod port isnt he? so it should be finished.... umm.... :D
20:16:15*Hillshum tells linuxstb to hurry :)
20:16:35GodEaterJdGordon|: linuxstb is noted for abandon^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hfinishing ports in record time!
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20:20:38linuxstbGodEater: Hey!
20:25:03linuxstbubrukelig: If you want to help, hang out in #linux4nano and #linux4nano-dev - that's where work on attempting to run code on the new ipods is going on, and testers are likely to be needed (no skill required)
20:26:57r0b-linuxstb is there a channel for sansa's?
20:27:32Hillshumr0b: no, just this
20:29:26ubrukeliglinuxstb: just new nano's?
20:29:54GodEaterubrukelig: no, the classic is being targetted too. The channel name is historical.
20:30:06GodEaterand unfortunate =/
20:30:12linuxstbubrukelig: No, the Classic is included. The name is completely misleading - no-one is working on linux on the new ipods, and it's both the Nanos and Classic).
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20:54:50Dhraakellianis it possible to make the database scanner ignore certain directories?
20:55:43linuxstbPut a file (any file) called "database.ignore" in the directory.
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20:56:00Dhraakelliangot a bunch of magnatune song of the day tracks that I want to listen through, but I don't want any two-track artists cluttering up my db
20:56:09Dhraakellianah, good to know. Thanks muchly
20:56:40Dhraakellian(and this is why having a *real* filebrowser rocks immensely)
20:57:14CIA-6New commit by mt (r22163): Fix yellow.
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22:03:23CIA-6New commit by dave (r22164): Make ipodpatcher compile on *BSD and recent Linux distributions - htole16/htole32 are standard BSD functions, and they now also appear in glibc 2.9 or ...
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22:10:42pixelmaZagor: did you see the row of failed builds due to a "segmentation fault" on one build server during the weekend? I just thought that if ignoring "no space left on device" is detected then this could be too, unless I miss something
22:11:17Zagorpixelma: yes I saw. and I added "Segmentation fault" as client failure yesterday.
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22:11:54pixelmaoh, hmm... didn't notice
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22:12:56Zagorpixelma: no, it was a server modification so it only shows as a restart
22:14:50pixelmaI see
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22:32:35CIA-6New commit by dave (r22165): Add support (on Linux and win32 only - I couldn't figure this out on OS X) for reading the XML device information from ipods. This information ...
22:32:52*linuxstb prods bluebrother and domonoky1 ;)
22:34:27bluebrotheroh, nice :)
22:35:07linuxstbThis patch has been sitting on my disk for ages - I hope it does actually work on win32...
22:36:10*linuxstb uploads"> if anyone wants to test...
22:36:47linuxstbbluebrother: I recall being frustrated with OS X, which caused me to abandon it. It's a shame we don't have any keen OS X devs...
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22:38:14*bluebrother wanted to look into autodetection since quite a while
22:38:44linuxstbbluebrother: It works on the Classic as well (after I commented out all the checks - the firmware partition is hidden there...)
22:39:40bluebrothermight be a good addon for figuring newer ipods
22:39:42*linuxstb is wondering what the "RBRequestVersion" key (value=3) means...
22:40:00utchybannlinuxstb: your last commit make me wonder if we have a tool to set the clock of an ipod ?
22:40:21linuxstbutchybann: I haven't seen one, but I recall some people here playing with that.
22:40:49utchybannit seems that a custom scsi command can to it.
22:40:59linuxstbI was thinking that might be a nice thing to implement in rbutil, now that we have (the start of) some cross-platform SCSI ioctl support.
22:41:45utchybanncould be nice to have a little cli tool to hook it into udev (for linux user).
22:42:26gevaertsutchybann: the gtkpod people have one
22:42:42utchybannnice. I will check.
22:43:24linuxstbbluebrother: One problem with this of course is that Rockbox's USB mode doesn't support it...
22:44:15linuxstbBut we could perhaps add minimal support (for just the RAM size key) if there was a need for rbutil.
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23:40:47utchybanngevaerts: found. but rockbox usb stack doesn't like the scsi cmd.
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23:41:05gevaertsutchybann: no surprise there
23:41:33gevaertsutchybann: if you want to play with this, have a look at the last patch in
23:42:16*linuxstb doesn't like exercise
23:42:20gevaertsit's easy to get working, there's a TODO comment saying exactly what's missing :)
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23:43:14*linuxstb questions gevaerts's definition of "exact"
23:43:34linuxstbOr maybe not...
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23:44:15gevaertsit shouldn't be hard to do, but it's boring code that's possibly even slightly different on each target
23:46:14*linuxstb looks at timefuncs.c and sees why gevaerts left it
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23:48:45tmztutchybann: what's this udev tool for/do?
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23:52:05utchybannit load kernel module when new device are plugged. it can also run external command. So it should be possible to have your ipod time sync each time you plugged it.
23:53:49tmztah, ok
23:54:07tmztI though you were talking about adding a device idenfication call out to udev
23:54:21tmztwould be really useful to detect OF vs. rb and which device it is
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23:57:32utchybanngevaerts: seems that your patch is wrong. cbw->command_block[8]==0xc0 (size of that data payload) and not 0.
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23:59:00gevaertsutchybann: it probably shouldn't check that byte then. I tested with itunes, not the gtkpod thing

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